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Zorn said he hopes to return as Redskins coach

Perhaps you thought Jim Zorn had taken so many hits this season that he'd be eager to move on to his next career challenge. Well, he says otherwise. On his weekly radio show, Zorn said today that he hopes to return next season as the Redskins' head coach.

"My perspective has not changed in that, my hope, I'm still and remain the head football coach here," Zorn said on ESPN 980. "I've made that very clear to even Bruce [Allen, the new general manager] coming in, that this is what my desire would be. I don't feel like I've finished."

Zorn said "it hasn't been pleasant with the win-loss record," but "I feel fulfilled, if you will, with what we have done so far and where we're headed."

Unfortunately for Zorn, he doesn't have a vote when it comes to his future in Washington. Though he has one more season remaining on his contract, it's expected that Sunday's game at San Diego will be his last with the Redskins. It would end a two-year run that's had more than its share of adversity for Zorn, which he says isn't necessarily a bad thing.

"As much as the season has been difficult, I'm a better football coach today because of it," Zorn said today. "Some people say, you've got to go through difficult times so you can get better. I'm certainly hoping that as I push forward -- and as I get to push forward with the Redskins -- that we will get better because of the strain of a negative season."

On his show today, Zorn also said that safety Reed Doughty wouldn't be available to play Sunday. He'd previously said that Doughty would be doubtful. Doughty suffered a high ankle sprain and is wearing a boot.

"I know his desire is to play, Zorn said. "I don't think his body is going to allow it."

By Rick Maese  |  December 29, 2009; 12:50 PM ET
 
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wow, what a whipping boy...just loves it. Makes no sense to me to even say that he still wants to be here, who would go through all this and still want to be here.

Like a retarded lil engine that could...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

WOW

Posted by: WRBD | December 29, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I feel fulfilled!?

With what, the worst Redskins season in history? The utter disarray and complete inability to compete?

With an ongoing cycle of it cant' get any worse, oh wait, yes it can?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 29, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Really?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 29, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I feel fulfilled with the small fortune I got paid to play HC for a couple of years maybe. Enjoy coaching D-II Mountain West football or if you're lucky, throwing balls at Holmgren's 3-rd stringer.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 29, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

okay how can you have so much faith in a player that was picked by someone you hated so much and the reason you hated him so much was because he couldn't evaluate talent. i'm talking about cerrato and not gibbs. gibbs was never a good talent evaluator either.

jc was a 4th round pick on most people's draft. he's lucky to have had a 2 NFL caliber running backs in college at the same time. he's lucky that we had a HORRIBLE management. he needs to just shut up and leave.

his future is no better than of patrick ramsey. journeyman for a year and then out of this league for good.

and for those who challenge my belief that he is no good. set up a paypal escrow account and i'll give you 10 to 1 odds and you name your bet. diddy and mhartz need not bother i can't afford that much.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

If JC can get traded for a 2nd rounder, I say go for it. But to an earlier post suggesting a stupid GM might trade a 1st for him, unless its Al Davis, it ain't going to happen in this lifetime. JC might be damaged goods by this point to bounce back next season. Who knows..and its not like he was all world to began with. Either or: Tender him and keep him, or let another team sign him and give up a 2nd rounder. Win, win..

I won't even bother responding to Zorn's comments. Its obviously all for show since he's so classy and such a good guy..

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I feel the same way about Jim Zorn leaving as I did when Steve Spurrier left.

G'bye!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

but "I feel fulfilled, if you will, with what we have done so far and where we're headed."

WE're headed to the playoffs and superbowl and your ass is headed to the unemployment line along with cerrato.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

That's just Zorn keeping up the public facade for another 5 days. He knows he is gone, everybody knows he is gone. His comment is totally expected and on script. He has no other choice than to say he wants to be the coach and to right the ship, and fix the ills, and he hasn't finished, blah blah blah yada yada yada.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn on the side grows medicinal mary j, how else is this guy so calm and dumb.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"I feel fulfilled, if you will, with what we have done so far and where we're headed."
What is he smoking?
lol

Posted by: jmy999 | December 29, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. Posting this crap 10 mins after posting the previous crap. I mean it might be justified if it were a breaking news item like Camp whining about hangnail but even if the thread were 24 hrs old, starting a new thread with something like this shti defies any rational justification.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

uhh.. You lost me with the whole swinging gate thing... Later dude!

Posted by: tony325 | December 29, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

said "backup"... I lived in SD.. The level of fan intensity is night and day comparing Redskin fans to Charger fans..

JC is not fired about anything.. Very laid back.. Ever seen him on the sidelines between series.??.. Never communicates with his OLine or RBs...just sits there staring blanking into space or at Zorn. You couldnt tell if the Skins were ahead or behind by looking at his expression.. Its always the same... Like he's punching in a clock at the office.
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backup in San Diego.. Fans are laid back.. more accepting of players not willing to improve their skills.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 12:52 PM |

That's why the Chargers are annual playoff team? This is a ridiculous post.

Posted by: TWISI | December 29, 2009 12:54 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

In a related story, I hope to fly to the moon tomorrow.

Posted by: AlexVa1 | December 29, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

In a related story: I hope to be dating Jennifer Aniston next season.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

they've scored 12 points in the last 2 games, and the offense is as putrid as its ever been....but......but he feels good as far as where they're headed.......right........

I still don't buy that JC has been through the ringer....its football, guys get hit...guys get traded...you don't want your feelings hurt, then go play barbies....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

JZ is a good man, but not a good head coach. We all wish he had achieved more, but I hope he manages to go with dignity. Re JC, with so many other gaps to fill, can't see the point in trading him and taking a punt on a QB that might be the next Matt Ryan or the next Ryan Leaf. Gotta be OL as the priority..., as will upgrade pretty much everyting apart from special teams

Posted by: mikeysuperdons | December 29, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

good point hawaii...
Its also a well crafted facade comment to support compensation from Snyder in case his buy out or severance goes to arbitration.
If he shows any other approach to his job, other than business as usual, and full intention to complete his Contract..it could be used against him in such a scenario.
He must have a smart Agent.. Who also has much to gain with a large Buy Out.
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That's just Zorn keeping up the public facade for another 5 days. He knows he is gone, everybody knows he is gone. His comment is totally expected and on script. He has no other choice than to say he wants to be the coach and to right the ship, and fix the ills, and he hasn't finished, blah blah blah yada yada yada.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 1:08 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I filed a FOIA request and found out that it was Zorn wearing No. 26 when the concussion happened. Portis cut a deal with the genius-for-a-coach to stay off the field, and Zorn got concussed as collateral damage for fulfilling his wish to be involved in every aspect of the offense. No one noticed this costume change because all the cameras were on Sherm Lewis in the booth.

Posted by: Xlnt | December 29, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

C'mon beans, I'm not a Campbell apologist, but the dude has been sh_tted on my this organization.

Maybe indirectly, but never the less they did by failing to upgrade the offensive line, and giving him targets with names like Thrash, Lloyd, and Randle El.

Not to mention he's been in the NFL for five seasons, and he's had to learn 3 different offenses. It wouldn't be bad if he were a backup QB...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

In another related story: I'm looking forward to tomorrow's Jessica Alba & Biel sandwich.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 29, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Of course he's just covering his contractual bases with this comment. Doesn't make it any less entertaining to those of us for whom this season has felt like a prolonged wisdom tooth extraction. Does anybody else remember how excited we were back in July? I'm so mad at/disappointed in myself for having had my hopes up about this team.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

lmao, thanks MColeman
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In a related story: I hope to be dating Jennifer Aniston next season.

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2009 1:18 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

never has there been so many people wrong about a player since juwan howard.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

What were you guys/gals expecting him to say?

"This franchise is a nightmare! I can't wait to just lose this last game, get it over with and get outta dodge!"

Or were you thinking he would say "I am very pleased that I am being fired. I am excitedly anticipating hearing who the new coach will be."

Zorn didn't say this out of the blue. A sports reporter probably asked him a typically dumb question like "Do you think you will be here next season?" How do you expect him to respond?

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, jcabana. And I think there were more than 70 years of the NF of L prior to 2003 (Rooney Rule), but I had sevens on the brain and just went with that...

Hmm, the NFL was founded in 1920, so there were actually i>80 years before the Rooney Rule during which time only seven guys who where not white dudes were head coaches... seven in eighty years, how can that be characterized as anything but an institutional disgrace?

And right now, six years and change after the Rooney Rule was implemented, there are seven guys who are not white dudes who are head coaches. That's demonstrable progress, in my opinion.

F hating on the Rooney Rule!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Define "white dudes"

Posted by: rjohnson66 | December 29, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

JZ means well, and I hope he does alright somewhere. But it's time for him to go.

I've seen enough ineptness and inexperience out of him. And I've seen him be incredibly stubborn, slow to make adjustments. I don't like his "medium" attitude and how he refuses to admit when things aren't going right.

At 4-11 he still thinks his offensive scheme is headed in the right direction. At 2-3 that dog might hunt, but at 4-11 that's either completely stupid, or completely insane.

What all that info says to me is that this guy has one "mode" if you will, and one "scheme". There's nothing else, no more ideas. The JZ experiment has failed completely, and since he's shown a complete unwillingness to change anything in the face of failure, what is there to expect from him but more failure.

Good riddance.

Posted by: rexforab | December 29, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Some people think Campbell's life mirrors the story of Job.

Poor guy has been "through the ringer," "hit a lot" and it's just "not fair."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

C'mon beans, I'm not a Campbell apologist, but the dude has been sh_tted on my this organization.

Maybe indirectly, but never the less they did by failing to upgrade the offensive line, and giving him targets with names like Thrash, Lloyd, and Randle El.

Not to mention he's been in the NFL for five seasons, and he's had to learn 3 different offenses. It wouldn't be bad if he were a backup QB...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 1:25 PM |

Cue the violins playing "Hearts and Flowers". Heh, heh.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

sorry red, I just don't see it...

has JC faced some hurdles, yeah, most certainly....but like I said yesterday, BBelicheck made Ted Johnson practice with a concussion...and today Ted is STILL suffering from the symptoms of that concussion....that..that is called getting put through the ringer....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, do you honestly think Campbell has been given a fair chance to succeed?

I don't like his whining either, and I decided about six weeks into the season to stop defending him up here, but good grief, dude, I can't believe anyone could honestly claim that this organization has given him a fair chance to succeed.

With all that said, just given the lay of the land, the uncapped year, etc., it would not surprise me one bit if Campbell remains on the Redskins' roster next season, which was unthinkable to me in August. Even if they pick a QB in the first round (which would disgust me) I think Campbell *might* be here one more season...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is hired, Blache is gone and his replacement wont be Jerry Gray, it will be Bob Slowik.....as some would say on here.... BOOK IT!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 29, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Even if they pick a QB in the first round (which would disgust me) I think Campbell *might* be here one more season...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:33 PM |

It prob depends on what the next HC sees when he watches tape of Camp in action.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

rjohnson66, I use the term "white dudes" with my tongue firmly in cheek, perhaps the same attitude in which you've now twice asked me what I meant by "white dudes."

For purposes of our scintillating Rooney Rule discussion, I would define white dudes as "those whose consideration for NFL head coaching job interviews was probably not improved by the implementation of the Rooney Rule... but who as a group didn't need the help since they've coached about 98% of all NFL games to date."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

has JC faced some hurdles, yeah, most certainly....but like I said yesterday, BBelicheck made Ted Johnson practice with a concussion...and today Ted is STILL suffering from the symptoms of that concussion....that..that is called getting put through the ringer....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Bad comparison. That's the coach, not the organization. How would you feel if you were a talented QB that had nitwits like Cerrato and Snyder controlling your destiny?

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has got to be out of his mind, unless he's just angling for a paycheck next season.

The reason I don't understand is this team will return a lot of the same 'stars' from this season unless Danny is willing to swallow the $20 mil or so tied up in Portis, Moss, El, & Thomas. Haynesworth isn't going anywhere, and neither is Rogers. Campbell... not sure, but neither Collins nor Colt are ready to take a season's beating. Rabach will probably be back, as will Fletcher, Landry, et al.

So where can we expect improvement from the roster? In the case that the same guys come back, then I might argee with Zorn, because we aren't going anywhere until we can REALLY rebuild. And that means dumping vets.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 29, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/articles/2007/02/02/i_dont_want_anyone_to_end_up_like_me/

that is the ringer...when after all is said and done, and your coach say's, I expletive up and he's talking about permanently doing damage to your brain....thats the ringer...this with JC...this is child's play.....

jc will either play here or somewhere else....ted johnson, not so much...

perspective people........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn didn't say this out of the blue. A sports reporter probably asked him a typically dumb question like "Do you think you will be here next season?" How do you expect him to respond?

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Just like a reporter most likely also asked JC "do you think its been fair the way you have not had protection?"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

nate, this to me is a fair chance:

gibbs gave him a starting gig, he held it and played average if not below average at best but he stuck with him.

and then he gets hurt and collins comes in and leads them to the playoffs.

but jc kept his job after that year. they simply gave it to him. no competition, nothing, just handed him the keys to the org.

THAT is more than fair to me. if he didn't like the way he was treated why didn't he leave? he didn't leave cuz no one wanted him. did you hear of any team clamoring to sign him/trade for him??

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps JC was put through half a wringer?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 29, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

What planet it is this guy from? Get him outta town.

Posted by: ridgely1 | December 29, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

... but who as a group didn't need the help since they've coached about 98% of all NFL games to date."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:39 PM |

It is more "Ivory Snow" than 98%.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Hi, everybody! Longtime lurker, first time poster! I have been intimidated before now by so many awesome posters up here, but I think that my time, as an eternal, cheerful, and friendly optimist, has finally come!

I think that this will be the best year yet for the Redskins organization! Here is how I think it will play out and why I think it is so good!

First, Bruce Allen will be a fair judge of the team and coaches! I think he will realize that most of the problems were the fault of Cerrato (who tried really hard to be good) and he will fix them! He will retain most of the good coaches, like Zorn and Blache and Bugel, and will only let a few of them go! Like maybe the special teams coach!

Next comes the players, and the Redskins already have the core nucleus of a great team so they will only have to get rid of a few of them! This will improve the morale of all the others and will make them play much better plus practice more in the off season!

In free agency, Bruce Allen will be able to fix the biggest problem which I think is the offensive line! Our line will be great after he signs a few bulldozer types for Joe Bugel to make All-Pros!

Next, he will have some high draft picks and he will use them really well to fill in around the edges!

Next year, I don't see how the Redskins can lose more than a handful of games and it will be a great turnaround! This is how I see it, and I hope you all agree with me!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is hired, Blache is gone and his replacement wont be Jerry Gray, it will be Bob Slowik.....as some would say on here.... BOOK IT!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 29, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

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I just keep hoping the reports on Slowik are wrong... This guy has never had a top defense in multiple jobs.

Posted by: tony325 | December 29, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Next year, I don't see how the Redskins can lose more than a handful of games and it will be a great turnaround! This is how I see it, and I hope you all agree with me!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, aren't you supposed to be finding new ways of not scoring??

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Barno?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 29, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

jd, I'd be willing to adjust it to like 1/8th of a ringer.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

OptimisticOne = Barno sock puppet

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Probably so, TubularBells, but I didn't want to sound like I was exaggerating, and I don't have time to actually do the math...

dealer, maybe Soup didn't "leave" because he was under contract, and in the NFL players can't simply break their contracts?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

(a handful of games??) I can't tell if OptimisticOne is yanking our collective chain or not!

Posted by: MColeman51 | December 29, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

No one is crying for Campbell, at least I'm not. I have been one of his biggest critics up here, but to lay all the blame on him is wrong.

I know damn well that you all see him under duress as soon as the ball is snapped in most cases -- AND DON'T give the Aaron Rogers crap. Aaron Rogers is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league, Campbell isn't.

And I don't know why this is such a surprise to many of you. Someone used a great analogy yesterday, something like Jason Campbell being a John Deere tractor and expecting him to race in the Indy 500 -- it just isn't going to work.

It's well known that Campbell has to have the parts around him to succeed: Offensive line, receivers, RB, competent coaching staff. What I want to know is where were all these Campbell knockers when goes out and has an average to great game?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I saw someone posted that Joe Theisman did not cry when LT hit him.

Didnt Joe black out after the hit, thought that was part of the story?

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is hired, Blache is gone and his replacement wont be Jerry Gray, it will be Bob Slowik.....as some would say on here.... BOOK IT!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 29, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

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I just keep hoping the reports on Slowik are wrong... This guy has never had a top defense in multiple jobs.

Posted by: tony325 | December 29, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

This article was put out during training camp. Shanahan visited several teams with Bob Slowik.

The Sunday 3:25 entry

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/08/03/NFL.takes/2.html

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Given a chance to succeed? I don't know. Was Heath Shuler given a chance to succeed?

He had WRs that consisted of Leslie Shepherd, Desmond Howard and Methuselah/Henry Ellard. His RBs were Ricky Ervins and Reggie Brooks.

The bottom line is that in football, as in life, you must play the cards that are dealt to you, for good or ill.

I think Shuler just plain sucked, and I think Campbell just plains sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Who is Bob Slowik?

Posted by: richardgovea | December 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

watching Jim Zorn's pressers and reading his comments are like Charles Manson's parole hearings. Alot of nonsense is spewed out of his mouth,it leaves me scratching my head.....and yet I already know what the end result will be.Manson's not getting out and Zorn won't be back in DC.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

OptomisticOne, welcome! But you're a bit mistaken. Bruce Allen will not be picking the players he'll just be doing salaries and stuffs.

but we share the same sentiment about this org. good years are closer than we think (like next year!). i'm buying me a big ass OLED teevee just to experience the awesomeness of next season. sans vinny, zorn and jc!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

dealer, maybe Soup didn't "leave" because he was under contract, and in the NFL players can't simply break their contracts?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:49 PM

You're right about that, NateinthePDX! That is sure part of it! But I also think that Jason Campbell realizes that "it's darkest just before the dawn" and he can see the big turnaround coming and he knows that he wants to be a part of it!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Beantown, c'mon now, I think we all get that what the inherently evil Bill Belichick did to Ted Johnson was so wrong it could reasonably have resulted in criminal charges.

But I don't think anyone has claimed that Jason Campbell's experience on the Redskins is analogous to that. The claim is merely that Campbell has not been given a fair chance to succeed as a quarterback by this organization...

Now, I would never suggest that he's made the best out of the opportunity he's been given. He has not lived up to the faith I (among many) invested in him. But I take issue with the suggestion that the opportunity he's been given has been anything better than severely compromised from the outset.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is where were all these Campbell knockers when goes out and has an average to great game?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


Clan Rally....

okay I don't actually think the campbell haters are racists, well maybe 1-2%. I just thought it would be a easy cheep shot and I took it (thats what she said).

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

1/4 of a wringer maybe - I don't buy the "Front Office didn't give him the line, etc." because, hey, that affected the entire team.

On the other hand, Skins management did try to get two different QBs in the offseason, and when that didn't work - then they said, "well, we don't want you, really, but go out and do a good job for us anyway."

That's a little hard to take.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 29, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

nate, you mean like the way cutler was under contract?

the point is cutler left because he had suitors. jason didn't have any suitors.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

At about 7:00pm on 1/3/2010 Jim Zorn can finally be put out of his misery. That piece of crap Snyder will probably tell Zorn he can't fly back on the team plane and will have to pay for his own way back to DC.

Posted by: moseley_brian | December 29, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Probably so, TubularBells, but I didn't want to sound like I was exaggerating, and I don't have time to actually do the math...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:49 PM |

But it was more than just "the math". "Ivory Snow", in addition to being about as close to 100% as you can realistically get, conjures up the terrible totems of "pure" amd "lily white" which had a cock hold on the profession for so long.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

nate, agree to disagree...severely compromised?? nah.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"RedskinsInsider: RT @mattvita The #NFL is headed toward a year without a salary cap. http://bit.ly/84jCK9"


spend spend spend?

Posted by: TheSuperhoo | December 29, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

OptomisticOne, welcome! But you're a bit mistaken. Bruce Allen will not be picking the players he'll just be doing salaries and stuffs.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 1:52 PM

Well, I understand your point, dealer1, but I also think that everything is in flux right now and that when the rest of the management team sees how good Bruce Allen can be, they will ask him to do more!

And, if I'm wrong about that, it's a good thing, too, because that means other people on the new team are even better at it than he is!

Either way, it's a win-win for all us Fans!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

that is the ringer...when after all is said and done, and your coach say's, I expletive up and he's talking about permanently doing damage to your brain....thats the ringer...this with JC...this is child's play.....

jc will either play here or somewhere else....ted johnson, not so much...

perspective people........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


I don't use the word "wringer" or "winger" or what have you.

I simply call it being done wrong, or not given a fair and legit shot at maximizing your potential.

This is done by more than just concluding: "Well he's been the unquestioned starter for two years now..."

It's more to it than that. What about the offensive line? What about the receivers he was throwing to? What about the play-calling/coaching?

Every time I ask those questions to Campbell detractors they never get answered, all they do is throwback a "Campbell sucks" or whatever.

For real. Seriously though, answer those questions. At LEAST acknowledge that it's not just Jason Campbell...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

rjohnson66, I use the term "white dudes" with my tongue firmly in cheek, perhaps the same attitude in which you've now twice asked me what I meant by "white dudes."

For purposes of our scintillating Rooney Rule discussion, I would define white dudes as "those whose consideration for NFL head coaching job interviews was probably not improved by the implementation of the Rooney Rule... but who as a group didn't need the help since they've coached about 98% of all NFL games to date."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 29, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough. By that definition I believe that Tony Dungy, Tom Florres, Dennis Green, William Henry Dietz, and Herm Edwards are white dudes since they all got their head coaching jobs before the Rooney Rule was implemented.

I would argue that the Rooney Rule is not the actual reason we have more minority coaches since 2003 than at any other time. I think the league was already making strides in that direction because most Head Coaches have made the progression from position coaches to coordinators to Head Coaches. Most of these guys were already in the pipeline and already destined to get their shots.

Posted by: rjohnson66 | December 29, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

it is all just one big vegemite sandwich

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

That piece of crap Snyder will probably tell Zorn he can't fly back on the team plane and will have to pay for his own way back to DC.

Posted by: moseley_brian | December 29, 2009 1:56 PM |

Z won't be going back to DC after the game. He will chug up interstate 5 to Cattle adnd meet with Holmy to brainstorm how to put a shine on two turds known as Andy and the Mighty Quinn.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

That's a little hard to take. Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 29, 2009 1:56 PM

John, actually it was more like "a used tissue flushed down the toilet" jason c's words. so when i feel like that i look to LEAVE. and he tried. and his agent told him "sorry, there's no one out there that wants you. your body of work is worthy of a backup at most. 'too many systems to learn' excuse isn't working anymore. that was so 2007".

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

OptimisticOne = What you'd get if Richard Simmons became a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

DOn't know how the draft order is gonna wrap up but I'll be rooting for Cleveland, K.C., and Tampa who play Jax., Denver, and Atlanta respectively. We'll be guaranteed a #5 pick at worst. Hope they trade down for additional picks. Trade Cooley fo picka or an OL. See what we can get for Moss and ARE.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 29, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Norv Turner is licking his chops

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 29, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

OptimisticOne = What you'd get if Richard Simmons became a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 2:02 PM

Thanks for the compliment! I've always admired your posts, MrRedskins21! It's nice to be accepted by one of the long-time regulars on my first day!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Debating Soup (the player) is akin to debating Rain (the atmospheric occurrance).

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Given a chance to succeed? I don't know. Was Heath Shuler given a chance to succeed?

He had WRs that consisted of Leslie Shepherd, Desmond Howard and Methuselah/Henry Ellard. His RBs were Ricky Ervins and Reggie Brooks.

The bottom line is that in football, as in life, you must play the cards that are dealt to you, for good or ill.

I think Shuler just plain sucked, and I think Campbell just plains sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY JC is as bad as Shuler was. Ask yourself this though: How good was Shuler's offensive line compared to JC's. I remember it being alot better, not great, but not bad either. And if I recall correctly, Ellard was on pace to break the single season receiving yardage record before Shuler entered the picture, Ellard was dominating to say the least. And who was Ellard's QB at the time: John Friez.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

can someone please post what picks the skins have this year?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Given a chance to succeed? I don't know. Was Heath Shuler given a chance to succeed?

He had WRs that consisted of Leslie Shepherd, Desmond Howard and Methuselah/Henry Ellard. His RBs were Ricky Ervins and Reggie Brooks.

The bottom line is that in football, as in life, you must play the cards that are dealt to you, for good or ill.

I think Shuler just plain sucked, and I think Campbell just plains sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY JC is as bad as Shuler was. Ask yourself this though: How good was Shuler's offensive line compared to JC's. I remember it being alot better, not great, but not bad either. And if I recall correctly, Ellard was on pace to break the single season receiving yardage record before Shuler entered the picture, Ellard was dominating to say the least. And who was Ellard's QB at the time: John Friez.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Given a chance to succeed? I don't know. Was Heath Shuler given a chance to succeed?

He had WRs that consisted of Leslie Shepherd, Desmond Howard and Methuselah/Henry Ellard. His RBs were Ricky Ervins and Reggie Brooks.

The bottom line is that in football, as in life, you must play the cards that are dealt to you, for good or ill.

I think Shuler just plain sucked, and I think Campbell just plains sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY JC is as bad as Shuler was. Ask yourself this though: How good was Shuler's offensive line compared to JC's. I remember it being alot better, not great, but not bad either. And if I recall correctly, Ellard was on pace to break the single season receiving yardage record before Shuler entered the picture, Ellard was dominating to say the least. And who was Ellard's QB at the time: John Friez.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Z won't be going back to DC after the game. He will chug up interstate 5 to Cattle adnd meet with Holmy to brainstorm how to put a shine on two turds known as Andy and the Mighty Quinn.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 2:01 PM

You've just described Snyder's dream scenario: Zorn breaks his contract so Snyder doesn't have to pay him next year.

Zorn will get $2.5 million from Snyder next year for doing nothing. No one else will pay him more than that for doing anything. He will have a year off from the rigors of the NFL.

Posted by: League-Source | December 29, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

For real. Seriously though, answer those questions. At LEAST acknowledge that it's not just Jason Campbell...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

It is not just Jason Campbell
It is not Just the O-line
It is not just the Coaches
It is not just the Secondary

It is the combination of all of these and then some.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | December 29, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I mean seriously, how can anyone say that Campbell has been given a fair shot when:

You have Jim Zorn calling plays...

You have 3 different offensive philosophies to learn in five years...

Your "GM" refuses to go after any offensive linemen...

And when you do, you bring in guys like Heyer and Mike Williams and ask them to play the tackle positions...

You coach refuses to play certain players on offense that would be beneficial to the QBs success...

You're just bashing Campbell to bash him (never cared for the dude in the first place) if you just lay it all on him.

Sum of all the parts people... and yes, Campbell fits into there somewhere.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow, sorry for the triple post, lol

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

can someone please post what picks the skins have this year?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:06 PM |

Their noses.

Posted by: TubularBells | December 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

LOL @***skins21 and OO!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

No one is crying for Campbell, at least I'm not. I have been one of his biggest critics up here, but to lay all the blame on him is wrong.

I know damn well that you all see him under duress as soon as the ball is snapped in most cases -- AND DON'T give the Aaron Rogers crap. Aaron Rogers is one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the league, Campbell isn't.

And I don't know why this is such a surprise to many of you. Someone used a great analogy yesterday, something like Jason Campbell being a John Deere tractor and expecting him to race in the Indy 500 -- it just isn't going to work.

It's well known that Campbell has to have the parts around him to succeed: Offensive line, receivers, RB, competent coaching staff. What I want to know is where were all these Campbell knockers when goes out and has an average to great game?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok RedDMV...It's not all Campbell's fault. It's just that he doesn't do the basic things consistently well, like getting rid of the ball quickly, finding open receivers consistently, or moving around in the pocket.

Posted by: rickyroge | December 29, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

OptimisticOne = What you'd get if Richard Simmons became a Redskins fan.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 2:02 PM

LOL! Too funny

What I would of honestly liked to have seen though is Collins start a game and then compare his and JC's results. That way you could really evaluate how much of it is JC and how much of it was the O line.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Some of the banter back and forth on here is so tiresome. Jason Campbell this, O-line that, JZ sucks, Danny is a weasel,DT is a bust,Haynesworth is fat, CP is slow, ARE is bald, Blache looks like a black Ebenezer Scrooge, etc.,etc.

The season is done,we will have to se what happens. So I'm ready to sit back and wait for training camp to start, because this blog has gone full retard. And you can't go full retard.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 29, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The season is done,we will have to se what happens. So I'm ready to sit back and wait for training camp to start, because this blog has gone full retard. And you can't go full retard.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 29, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

What else is there to talk about? (Jim Mora's voice)Playoffs?

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

That's a little hard to take. Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 29, 2009 1:56 PM

John, actually it was more like "a used tissue flushed down the toilet" jason c's words. so when i feel like that i look to LEAVE. and he tried. and his agent told him "sorry, there's no one out there that wants you. your body of work is worthy of a backup at most. 'too many systems to learn' excuse isn't working anymore. that was so 2007".

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

__________________________________________
Fair Enough - good point - but maybe then, the 'Skins should have released him, instead of deciding, well, we'll go with him since we can't get anyone we think is better....

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Some of the banter back and forth on here is so tiresome. Jason Campbell this, O-line that, JZ sucks, Danny is a weasel,DT is a bust,Haynesworth is fat, CP is slow, ARE is bald, Blache looks like a black Ebenezer Scrooge, etc.,etc.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 29, 2009 2:14 PM

I agree with you about the tone of this blog, but together we can change it for the better! We are at a great turning point! Things are only going to get better from here, not worse!

Also, did I mention that you have a terrific screen name! I wish I'd thought of it first!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Some of the banter back and forth on here is so tiresome. Jason Campbell this, O-line that, JZ sucks, Danny is a weasel,DT is a bust,Haynesworth is fat, CP is slow, ARE is bald, Blache looks like a black Ebenezer Scrooge, etc.,etc.

The season is done,we will have to se what happens. So I'm ready to sit back and wait for training camp to start, because this blog has gone full retard. And you can't go full retard.

Posted by: iH8dallas | December 29, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse


Exactly. Never go full retard, man.

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Jim's response is exactly why he will be replaced. He does not have a good grip on reality. This man needs professional help.
Jim we hardly knew Ye.

Posted by: dougieyoung1 | December 29, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Jim, put the crack pipe down and return to earth. The article forgot to mention Zorn's belief in the tooth fairy. Maybe Holmgren has a janitorial job for him in Cleveland. Jim, repeat after me: "Welcome to WalMart."

Posted by: brescott77 | December 29, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Here is an example of humility and character which the redskins lack in every corner of their franchise. Hopefully they fire him, and he gets a good job in cleveland. To all you aholes that say good riddance, you just love the offseason don't you?

Posted by: BMACattack | December 29, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Given a chance to succeed? I don't know. Was Heath Shuler given a chance to succeed?

He had WRs that consisted of Leslie Shepherd, Desmond Howard and Methuselah/Henry Ellard. His RBs were Ricky Ervins and Reggie Brooks.

The bottom line is that in football, as in life, you must play the cards that are dealt to you, for good or ill.

I think Shuler just plain sucked, and I think Campbell just plains sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21


Heath Shuler? Really? We're talkin' 'bout Heath?

And before you knock Henry Ellard, go check out his '95 season with the Redskins...

Heath Shuler also had a decent line in front of him... Campbell not so much.

So you're basically saying this:

"Oh so your offensive can't block for sh_t, Jason? F_ck you, throw a TD!

Heyer is a scrub? F_uk you, complete the pass!

Zorn is an idiot, won't let you audible, and is as inept as a play-caller there is in the NFL? F_ck you, Jason, win!

I'm not buying you play with the cards you're dealt thing, sorry.

They could've just dealt him a better hand, and unlike when you're really dealing, they had the power to actually deal him a much better hand than they did.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I want Alyssa Milano to come over to my house this afternoon.

Guess Zorn and I are both going to be disappointed

Posted by: CF11555 | December 29, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"Unfortunately for Zorn, he doesn't have a vote when it comes to his future in Washington."

Thank God.

I am SO glad that he will be gone in just under a week.

He's such a tool.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | December 29, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

LOL @***skins21 and OO!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The article forgot to mention Zorn's belief in the tooth fairy. Maybe Holmgren has a janitorial job for him in Cleveland. Jim, repeat after me: "Welcome to WalMart."

Posted by: brescott77 | December 29, 2009 2:18 PM

You're going to be welcoming Jim Zorn to your WalMart? Not likely, Zorn will be shopping at Bloomingdale's, not at the WalMart.

Tooth fairy is so juvenile. Zorn believes in Dan Snyder who will be putting $2.5 million under his pillow.

Posted by: League-Source | December 29, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn invented Z Shades. Mike Shanahan invented "icing the kicker". Which coach will have a more lasting impact on football?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/21/sports/football/21icing.html

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 29, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

so OO, what shall we call you? o1 or 01 or OO or 00 or oo? i think i like oo.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I want Alyssa Milano to come over to my house this afternoon.

Posted by: CF11555 | December 29, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, you could probably have that happen..

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I think Shuler just plain sucked, and I think Campbell just plains sucks.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 29, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse
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Shuler later said that he had never taken a 7 step drop in college, something which is a staple of Norv's offense.

So when you try to fit a square peg in a round hole, is it the peg or the holes fault when they don't align?

Campbell was not drafted to be a WC QB, and no one is accusing him of being accurate, so it seems the comparison is valid

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 29, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok RedDMV...It's not all Campbell's fault. It's just that he doesn't do the basic things consistently well, like getting rid of the ball quickly, finding open receivers consistently, or moving around in the pocket.

Posted by: rickyroge


rr, I agree with most of that. But it's hard to "move in the pocket" when it's collapsed a second later after the ball is snapped.

I don't know responsibility for woes on offense for me goes like this:

1)Zorn and his playcalling
2)Cerrato for failing to address the offensive line
3)Campbell and his deficiencies
4)Zorn for not getting the receivers on the field

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse


so OO, what shall we call you? o1 or 01 or OO or 00 or oo? i think i like oo.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:25 PM

You can call me what you want, just don't call me late for supper!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

so OO, what shall we call you? o1 or 01 or OO or 00 or oo? i think i like oo.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 2:25 PM

You can call me what you want, just don't call me late for supper!

Posted by: OptimisticOne

Just call him Barno.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 29, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Late for Soup?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 29, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Am personally hoping that Santa returns this weekend -- and brings me lots of toys too -- because I was a bit disappointed in his performance last week. I don't feel fulfilled or satisfied with what we accomplished this season either...

Posted by: Vic1 | December 29, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

1)Zorn and his playcalling
2)Cerrato for failing to address the offensive line
3)Campbell and his deficiencies
4)Zorn for not getting the receivers on the field

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse
I'd flip 1 & 2. But other than that, definitely agree

Posted by: ga8085 | December 29, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So when you try to fit a square peg in a round hole, is it the peg or the holes fault when they don't align?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 29, 2009 2:26 PM

Wow! This is a pretty deep question! Sort of like those classics about the tree in the forest and the chicken and the egg! No one really knows!

So, I would say it's a little bit of both: partly the peg and partly the hole! Both should compromise a little to meet half way in the middle! When that happens next year, things will be getting better!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Hi, everybody! Longtime lurker, first time poster!


WOW, sounds like someone that would stalk Zorn in their spare time...

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn meant to say it's been a Fool Fill-in experience.

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 29, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So when you try to fit a square peg in a round hole, is it the peg or the holes fault when they don't align?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 29, 2009 2:26 PM

Wow! This is a pretty deep question! Sort of like those classics about the tree in the forest and the chicken and the egg! No one really knows!

So, I would say it's a little bit of both: partly the peg and partly the hole! Both should compromise a little to meet half way in the middle! When that happens next year, things will be getting better!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse
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Just how deep is a lemon meringue pie, Skippy?

Posted by: Xlnt | December 29, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

So when you try to fit a square peg in a round hole, is it the peg or the holes fault when they don't align?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 29, 2009 2:26 PM

Wow! This is a pretty deep question! Sort of like those classics about the tree in the forest and the chicken and the egg! No one really knows!

So, I would say it's a little bit of both: partly the peg and partly the hole! Both should compromise a little to meet half way in the middle! When that happens next year, things will be getting better!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

LMAO @ this.

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Your life is already shi__y if you're a stalker.

Your life has to be pretty damn pathetic if you're stalking Jim Zorn.

I'd rather take several tours of a water treatment plant than roll with or follow Zorn anywhere.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

no kidding...either a stalker or the guy that shot Lennon, just simply weird.

Posted by: mhartz1 | December 29, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

So Zorn "Hopes" to return as the Redkskins coach....................
I "Hope" to win the lottery
I "Hope" to to win the Nobel Peace prize.
I "Hope" for world peace.
I "Hope" that the skins get their sh_t together.
It's nice to hope....keep hope alive Zorn...then take your weak ass back to Seattle.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 29, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Hi, everybody! Longtime lurker, first time poster!
Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 1:45 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Welcome, OptimisticOne Poster...!!!

Now go away.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"I feel fulfilled, if you will, with what we have done so far and where we're headed."

4-12? "Please" says Mr. James Zorn, "let me come back and coach this team to an 0-16 season! It will be difficult, after all it's only been done once in league history. But I know that with my offensive scheme, we can set a record for fewest points scored. That gives us a real shot at 16 losses."

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 29, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take several tours of a water treatment plant than roll with or follow Zorn anywhere.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:42 PM

Okay, you go to the treatment plant and report back to us. Or, maybe not.

Personally, I'd like to follow Zorn into Snyder's office, or Allen's office the day after the San Diego game. "Gee, Dan, I think we did pretty well considering.... There's nothing wrong with 'the scheme'.... "

Posted by: League-Source | December 29, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

So Zorn "Hopes" to return as the Redskins coach....................
I "Hope" to win the lottery
I "Hope" to to win the Nobel Peace prize.
I "Hope" for world peace.
I "Hope" that the skins get their sh_t together.
It's nice to hope....keep hope alive Zorn...then take your weak ass back to Seattle

Posted by: kingpenn1 | December 29, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins treatment of coachers and players has been offensive from Day 1 that The Danny took over the organization. Who knows what Campbell or Zorn could have done with a better offensive line. I hope that Danny relinquishes control to Allen and butts out. As a fan, I have been embarrased and offended by Danny Girl.

Posted by: DrWho2 | December 29, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, OptimisticOne Poster...!!!

Now go away.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 2:47 PM

LMAO! You are such a cut-up, cliftonbiz! Luv ur sense of humour!

Posted by: OptimisticOne | December 29, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ref Zorn in San Diego..I could think of worst NFL cities to be fired in, during January....

Cleveland
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Seattle

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

IF the redskins can sue the season ticket holders, can the season ticket holders find an upstart lawyer who wants to make a name for himself and sue the redskins for 10 years of pain and suffering or some official sounding suit? IT would be a lot of people joining that class action law suit

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take several tours of a water treatment plant than roll with or follow Zorn anywhere.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:42 PM

Come to think of it, my elementary school used to take us on a tour of a water treatment plant in PG county every year...I really don't know why.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 29, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

He has to say this to collect his salary for next season, correct?

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 29, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

IF the redskins can sue the season ticket holders, can the season ticket holders find an upstart lawyer who wants to make a name for himself and sue the redskins for 10 years of pain and suffering or some official sounding suit? IT would be a lot of people joining that class action law suit

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 2:53 PM

You can find an "upstart lawyer" for anything. Problem is, the upstart lawyer who took this suit wouldn't have been near the top of her/his class and probably didn't pass the bar exam in any of his/her first six tries.

Posted by: League-Source | December 29, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

He has to say this to collect his salary for next season, correct?

Posted by: WorstSeat | December 29, 2009 2:55 PM

BINGO! Zorn's upstart lawyer was in at least the middle of his class, and passed the bar exam in not more than three tries.

Posted by: League-Source | December 29, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

You can find an "upstart lawyer" for anything. Problem is, the upstart lawyer who took this suit wouldn't have been near the top of her/his class and probably didn't pass the bar exam in any of his/her first six tries.

Posted by: League-Source

I know just the man:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Hutz


Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | December 29, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"I know his desire is to play, Zorn said. "I don't think his body is going to allow it."

Sounds like Doughty's body is a rational actor.

I wonder how accurate the rumor is about Shanahan. Isn't he a little washed up? How many great second acts have there been -- for coaches that were great in their first job?

Belichik was not so good in CLE, as I recall. Vermeil did well in PHI and STL. Parcells not so good in DAL, JJ not so good in MIA. George Allen did well in WAS.

Why would Shanahan be any better here than he was in DEN the last say 8 years of his career? 1-5 in the playoffs, as I recall. 1 division title. 2 spectacular late-season collapses. Last 3 seasons were 9-7, 7-9, 8-8.

What makes anybody think he'll do better here?

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 29, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

There is an interesting issue out there congress should examine..

Should not an antitrust exemption enjoyed by the Redskins and all NFL teams preclude them from buying one or multiple media properties?

I think an NFL owner should either divest of one or the other. Ie. Redskins Inc directors/investors should sell their media properties or keep the properties and sell the Skins.
Otherwise, this is unfair practice ala FTC/ FCC.
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IF the redskins can sue the season ticket holders, can the season ticket holders find an upstart lawyer who wants to make a name for himself and sue the redskins for 10 years of pain and suffering or some official sounding suit? IT would be a lot of people joining that class action law suit

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 2:53 PM

You can find an "upstart lawyer" for anything. Problem is, the upstart lawyer who took this suit wouldn't have been near the top of her/his class and probably didn't pass the bar exam in any of his/her first six tries.

Posted by: League-Source | December 29, 2009 2:56 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Have seen enough of Zorn, Blache, Gray,etc.,the entire current coaching staff must go. For the player, leave them to the new coaching staff to make the decision.

Posted by: inva | December 29, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 29, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

OptimisticOne:

Yahoo called. They want their exclamation point back.

Posted by: Xlnt | December 29, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Both Jim Zorn and the Skins SUXXXXXX!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 29, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"
There is an interesting issue out there congress should examine..

Should not an antitrust exemption enjoyed by the Redskins and all NFL teams preclude them from buying one or multiple media properties?"

Absolutely! I'm e-emailing Mikulski and Cardin about it now (which one is on the commerce committee?). (Sarcasm)

Are you a DC resident? If so, its no wonder you guys can't vote! LOL!!!

I'm kidding, of course.

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Both Jim Zorn and the Skins SUXXXXXX!

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 29, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Where'd you hear that one, you clever fox of a wordsmith?

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

IF the redskins can sue the season ticket holders, can the season ticket holders find an upstart lawyer who wants to make a name for himself and sue the redskins for 10 years of pain and suffering or some official sounding suit? IT would be a lot of people joining that class action law suit

Posted by: connskins | December 29, 2009 2:53 PM

You can find an "upstart lawyer" for anything. Problem is, the upstart lawyer who took this suit wouldn't have been near the top of her/his class and probably didn't pass the bar exam in any of his/her first six tries.

Posted by: League-Source | December 29, 2009 2:56 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 29, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Jon Edwards is looking for gig in Washington.

Posted by: jboogie1 | December 29, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Zorn can only return if he give us a hip hip hooray once more...!

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 29, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Zorn came on board to be O Coordinator. To me, even that was too big a jump from a QB coach. But he was put in a position where he had to either accept the HC job or quit. I think putting JC into his O system was like trying to put a square peg into a round hole, but I also think he did some good developmental things with JC that have made JC a better QB. (yeah, you JC haters, go ahead have your fun with that one). Zorn isn't the one who completely ignored the O line last offseason, either. All in all, I think Zorn is a good guy and a class act who was put in WAY over his head. He needs to go, but I wish him the best and hold not an ounce of animosity towards him (well, there was that Zigfield Follies fake FG in NY....)

Posted by: kenboy1 | December 29, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Alas, Zorn will be back and so is Campbell.
Bye bye Portis, Landry, Betts, Hall, Samuels, Randy Thomas, Randle-EL, Andre Carter, Phillips Daniels, Coach Gray, and Coach Blache.

Posted by: abxinc | December 29, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn must be a Republican. Solutions that have been rumored at Redskin Park to improve play on the filed:
1. cut concession stand taxes.
2. remove all public bathrooms.
3. pay tv and movie stars to stand on sidelines.
4. give the local Fox News exclusive team coverage in exchange for never stating who the team plays, when they play, whether they won or lost, or whether any other team won or lost. The show will be called "We are the Champions" hosted by Gerson and Krauthammer.
5. ban public aiwaves, public buses, public parking, and public financing. Ooops - keep the public financing, can't forget the hypocracy factor.

Posted by: ScottChallenger | December 29, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

That fake field goal call two weeks ago disqualifies him from a 7-11 job, no less coaching a pro football team.

Posted by: Trout1 | December 29, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's Announces New Soup Line

What will Donovan McNubb's mom think of it?

With the economy worsening by the day and the average American seeking more choices for dining in, Campbell's will offer a new line of soups: Campbell's Clunky Soups!

Will you be tempted to eat it with a fork or a spoon? One thing is for sure you can stick a fork in it cause its done!

Does the Clunky Soup eat like a meal? You might ever know cause we change the recipe every year and you never know what is in the can. Once you open the can it gives you the impression it is trying not to whine, but you will find that you are whining when you get to the bottom of the can and find you paid twice as much for this soup than a competitor's.

But how does Donovan McNubb's mom feel about Clunky soup? We put a bowl of Clunky soup before her and she sniffed and sniffed it and waited for the soup to cool. After waiting for a few minutes she took her first sip of the soup and spit it out - "this soup should be hot but it never heats up - it just sits there even after you put it on the stove on high. You try to stir it, beat it up, and it just sits there. It never gets hot! And it never gets cold. It just stays medium."

Posted by: laserwizard | December 29, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see the Washington Post get a beat reporter who could actually report news about the team rather than a bunch of speculation. How about Andre Cramer. She beat all of you with the story about Jerry Gray when it was right in front of you. The third worse offense. Nice work NBC please come back and tell us more. These dopes just want to trade in rumors. I think they all want to work for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | December 29, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

This just in to our newsroom. World Press Organization is reporting that Jim Zorn was seen this afternoon at Potomac High School interviewing for the head coaching job. It was also confirmed that Sherman Smith, Chris Meidt and John Palermo are eating dinner in the high school's cafeteria.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 29, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a good guy and could have been a successful coach in a different situation. The organization undermined him. The media played him to be stupid. And, the haters, well, they hated.

This guy is going to be successful. But, it won't be here.

Posted by: PS7900 | December 29, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I would put money down that Zorn flies straight from San Diego to Seattle

Posted by: BenchCampbell | December 29, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Zorn's career ambition is to be a head coach somewhere. He's taking the high road and thinking of his future. If he starts sniping at the Skins "organization" on his way out the door, he only hurts himself (as much as the Skins organization is worthy of criticism from the rest of us). I actually respect the guy for the way he's handled himself throughout this lousy season. If he's not cut out to be an NFL head coach, he might be a good college coach.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 29, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn will land on his feet, likely in a winning program. We on the other hand are stuck with the same losing mentality. Zorn is a strong Christian man doing the right thing. He'll be on the sideline again likely watching his new team beat the Redskins. I heard that Dallas is interested in him for QB coach, as is Holmgren. A lot better digs than Redskin Park.

Posted by: bfjam | December 29, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said he hopes to return as Redskins coach...

And I hope to wake up with a full head of hair next to Gisele Bündchen...

Zippy chance of either happening, but at least I can admit it....

Posted by: TimDz | December 29, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

He's under-qualified to be a head coach, that's for sure. He'll be gone Monday. But he's a decent person. It's a shame the owner isn't behaving with the same decency and class that this guy has displayed.

Posted by: dhenken1 | December 29, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Wants to come back???

I think the "Swinging Gate" play ended any hope of that.

Posted by: DaveLopan | December 29, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

heath shuler like campbell..what a joke shuler was a mediorce arm white qb a little mobility and could not take a hit period and scared, had a better line than the current one and the coach was a good o-coordinator but a horrible and weak head coach, not as bad as the azz-hole head zorn but bad.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 29, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Of course Zorn will say that. If he says anything different he won't get paid the rest of his contract. Smartest thing done all year.

Posted by: DCLASKINS26 | December 29, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Randle El, Betts, Griffin, Daniels, Wynn, Heyer, Randy Thomas, Sellers, Cartwright and Moss are all hoping Zorn comes back so they can stay employed.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 29, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take several tours of a water treatment plant than roll with or follow Zorn anywhere.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 29, 2009 2:42 PM

Come to think of it, my elementary school used to take us on a tour of a water treatment plant in PG county every year...I really don't know why.

"I think she was thinking of days like these when you would rather go to a water treatment then see Zorn come back."

On another note, i would like to coach in NFL,I have great schemes, i like to work with all men named sherman, i can keep a positive outlook gven that wthin a week i will be able to have a pahyback of 1.4 million and a potential for being a QB coach in Cleveland....i hope everyone stops saying that he is a nice guy. he is a smart guy....

Posted by: maz3 | December 29, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Good for Jim Zorn! He stands tall like a man even when the idiots are "shooting" at him.

He is the kind of man that could turn this team around - he's not a quitter. Evidently, many of us could learn from him.

Go Zorn!

Posted by: SkinsFan2111 | December 29, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse

As bad as this organization is, and the team he was given, then the injuries, he's probably a better coach than Snyder thinks. Didn't Snyder fire Turner? Schottenheimer? Poor records - in this organization...Let's face it, the common denominator is/was Snyder/Cerrato.
And before everyone gets too excited about Allen, Snyder's a marketing guy. Bring in one of the Allens, criticism of Snyder dies down, and no one notices Allen's lifetime losing record. The SB was first year before he had "his team", and they got worse under him. Just sayin'...

Posted by: AlohaFan | December 29, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Twilight ZORN.. Rod Serling saw you coming your failure to see pass medium... is a episode in its self... and for JC's statement about unfairness... The whole NFL prior to the start of the season, knew that the Skins did not address their most glaring need... no offensive line means no offense...football is an ABC game, yeah its good you can add to academic aspect, but if you leave out the basic.. it is unfair.... looking forward to the next episode.. will the dan survive the snickers of the old establish politico Skins fan base... or will succumb to the lack of oxygen at fed ex field, STAY TUNED....

Posted by: travmanf | December 29, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

ENOUGH ALREADY ABOUT ZORN LET HIM GET FIRED IN PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | December 29, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me Zorn was kidding with the remarks he made. I can't believe he made the remarks he did considering how bad the past two years have been, especially this year. I don't know about any of you people, but in the last two games I have noticed something very different about Zorn when the camera was on him, to me it was a hint of arrogance. Has anyone else noticed that? I gave Zorn the benefit of the doubt but he does need to go. We need a coach who can handle every situation and handle the team completely and everything else that goes along with being coach. The playing of the game needs to be the main concentration and not all the other BS distractions as has been going on for way too long. HAIL!!!!

Posted by: ladyredskins | December 29, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Zorn you are such a MORON! Enjoy the next few days because it will be your LAST ONEs as an NFL HEAD COACH. I'm sure you can find a pop warner team who will let you and that dink & dunk crap offense coach. That is where you belong you MORON. I will be so HAPPY to see you leaving Redskin park!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mike1ad | December 29, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I wouldnt expect anything else from Zorn. He is a class act. He has learned a lot and most the problems are not his fault.

THIS SEASON WAS LOST DUE TO LACK OF O-LINE TALLENT (CERRATO'S FAULT).

Add to that Cerrato's scheme to bring in Sherman to call plays out of the blue to hide his lack of OLine evaluation IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON_WHAT??

Keep Zorn and JC. Spend money to add OLine starters and depth. Experience continuity and the benefits from that. HOPE AND CHANGED HAS NOT WORKED.

WHY ARE WE GETTING DUPED INTO THINKING THAT ANOTHER COACH/QB/OFFENSIVE SYSTEM WILL FIX THIS!!!

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | December 30, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

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