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Zorn: 'Some Things Good, Some Very Poor'

The Redskins' 11-on-11 drills ended Sunday morning with a thud, with a pass from Jason Campbell thrown at the feet of an intended receiver, an effort merely to get rid of the ball as the offensive line broke down yet again. Campbell threw three interceptions over the course of the hour-long session, and the offense appeared to struggle against a defensive line clearly led by new addition Albert Haynesworth. As the Redskins left the field, some fans began cheering the effort, but one vocal one screamed, "What are you all clapping for?"

Coach Jim Zorn, though, said appearances at training camp aren't always accurate. While he acknowledged the offense was uneven -- "Some things good, some things very poor," he said -- he added that he expects certain plays to get sharper with more repetition.

"The things that were poor were just some of the new concepts that we're trying to, that we didn't necessarily run 15 times out here before we put it in the game," Zorn said. "It's part of the installation. You put a play in, you try to take a couple reps, and then you go out and run it, and then you really see what the problems are. You look at it on video and say, 'This split's too wide. You didn't drive him off.' There's a work in progress there."

Still, the offense had trouble sustaining any momentum against a defensive unit that ranked fourth in the NFL last year, and has added Haynesworth, a potentially game-changing defensive tackle. Asked about the defense, receiver Santana Moss said, "Ferocious."

"I mean, the D-line alone. I just asked the coaches, 'How we gonna deal with these guys?'"

There is, though, pressure on the offense to improve over last year, regardless of who the opponent is. Zorn said, though, that the fourth day of training camp is not the time for harsh evaluations -- though that time will come.

"I think what the fans ought to see is if you have a chance to catch the ball, catch the ball," Zorn said. "Drops. Those things are really disappointing, the obvious things. But the route-running, or even an unsuccessful play, there's so many variables. It could be that the QB has an offensive or defensive lineman in his lap, and he can't get the ball off in time. Everybody's working. The drill is hugely important. But I can't yell after every play if it's not successful because both teams are learning how to get it done."

By Barry Svrluga  |  August 2, 2009; 1:00 PM ET
 
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Come on, offense... sheesh... not to suffer another year (or half-year, to be more precise) of dysfunctional offense...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | August 2, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

2nd

Posted by: noonefromtampa | August 2, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

On the upside, if the OL can learn to handle our DL, they can probably handle anyone else's much easier...

Posted by: SonofNero | August 2, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"...It's (tweeting) like snapshots of the writer's notebook where things are later fleshed out in print/blog form..."


If that's the case, I'd rather wait for the complete analysis as reading someone's notes makes no sense.

And the complete analysis of the redskins' offense is coming back in bits and pieces: this year's offense looks suspiciously like last year's.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully a monster d-line in practice causes our o-line to get better.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 2, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

From extremeskins, a write up on the DL.

DL:

Haynesworth: Guys is an absolute monster. It didn't matter who the offense put in front of him today, Big Al was a force to be wreckened with. He got constant pressure up the middle. And probably my highlight of the day right here: Big Al and Orakpo ran a stunt that brought tears to my eyes. Al lined up outside at DE, with Rak at DT. At the snap of the ball, Al slanted in very hard and took on both the guard and tackle, occupying both of them. Orakpo then looped around to the outside and had a free shot at the QB. If it were game day the QB might not have gotten back up.

Andre Carter: Dre performed pretty well today. Got some pressure on the QB a couple times, but Big Al totally stole the show on the DL.

Phillip Daniels: Looks healthy, and adds great depth out there being able to play both DE and DT which he proved out there today.

C. Griffin - He had a little scare out there today with big Griff. He tangled legs with another lineman in the trenches and was slow getting up. But thankfully he did and returned in the lineup later on.

J. Jarmon - I really like this guy. He made a few plays out there today. Batted down a few balls that were gonna be quick screens or slants. But most of all, I love his motor. He's 100% from whistle to whistle.

Chris Wilson - Chris worked out at both DE and LB. He was relatively quiet, but looked good at LB scraping down the line on a run play that went away from him.

Golston/Montgomery - Both guys had okay days. Again, it's hard to go out there and look good after #92 just completely blew up the OL the play before.

Posted by: TWISI | August 2, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Lets look at the flipside of this o-line/d-line fiasco: I keep hearing how much better going up against our d-line in practice is going help our o-line in real games,but is going against a below average o-line going to help our d-line?Cause from the sounds of this Big Al and the gang are doing whatever they want,what happens when we face somebody who can actually block?And for the record I think Orakpo is going to be our Suggs/Merriman/Ware,not just good,dominant in a year or two.

Posted by: smittdiddy | August 2, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's the DB write up

DBs

LaRon/Horton - Yet again the two young safeties looked great out there, LaRon playing deep and Chris in the box. Horton had a pick on a ball thrown over the middle that was mishandled and tossed into the air. Chris was there to bring it in and turn up field.

D Hall/Smoot/Tryon - D Hall had a rather quiet practice today compared to the first 3 days. But Tryon had another strong performance out there today, batting away about three balls. Smoot had good coverage today, his guys went on rather short routes and Smoot was right there to make the plays. But still not that impressive. Tryon is having a much better camp.

Kevin Barnes - The terp didn't have a very good practice today. He was one-on-one with a receiver on the outside. The WR ran like a 10 yard comeback to the inside. Kevin overpurued after the WR caught it and he got to the outside for a big gain. A good thing though is that he seems to be pretty hard on himself. After that play he slapped himself in the helmet and lined back up and made a good play on the WR stopping him for a short gain.

Byron Westbrook/Michael Grant - These were the other two guys who had INTs today. Byron snatched one that sailed over Santana's head, thrown by JC. Grant baited Todd Collins into throwing into zone coverage and Grant stepped right in front of the defener.

Posted by: TWISI | August 2, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975


"Hopefully, a monster d-line in practice causes our o-line to get better."


With the exception of Dock, Williams, Bridges, the bulk of the offensive line (Samuels, Rabach, Heyer, Thomas) spent all of last year practicing against this defense.

Did the practice make it better?

No.

Again: the team that consistently uses undrafted, past prime, and scrap players to block elite NFL linemen will learn a lesson.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"You look at it on video and say, 'This split's too wide. You didn't drive him off.'"

How about, " This O line sucks." That would be the most accurate assessment instead of all these lame excuses Zorn is giving.

Posted by: ga8085 | August 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Twitter is not used in a vacuum its part of a suite of tools used. "

POSTED BY: Chrislarry.

Actually the "suite of tools" you refer to best describes a gathering of Twitter users.

Posted by: TheCork | August 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Blogs, snippets, notes, rumors, the opinions dimwits, it's obvious I'll (we'll) read anything that's 'skins related. Yet, even during training camp when I'm dieing to see the team in action, I still can't sit through Larry Micheal's Redskin's Nation. He somehow makes even the 'skins unwatchable.

Posted by: mack1 | August 2, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

theCork

"Actually the "suite of tools" you refer to best describes a gathering of Twitter users."


Snarkiness at its best.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

ga8085

"How about," This O line sucks." That would be the most accurate assessment instead of all these lame excuses Zorn is giving."

Amen.

Thing is, by the front office not fortifying the offensive line with youth and talent, both Zorn and Campbell are put in a situation where their seasons and evaluations are comprised.

Campbell especially is in a spot as he has to 'make plays' behind a suspect line and to please a suspect owner who covets offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Ugh.

At this point I could just start cutting and pasting my complaints from months ago about our failure to properly address the O-line.


""Zorn said, though, that the fourth day of training camp is not the time for harsh evaluations -- though that time will come.""

JReid, could you please ask how many consecutive days of the Dline kicking the Oline's teeth need to pass before we properly cross over into "harsh evaluation" territory?

Posted by: p1funk | August 2, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Actually the "suite of tools" you refer to best describes a gathering of Twitter users.

Posted by: TheCork | August 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse "

Swing and....miss. Its Cork, TE and Mista Moe in an unfunny contest. Actually thats not fair Moe is a funny cat and a Yankees fan (RIP Munson)...so one has been eliminated and we can have a Thunderdome situation.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, it really does not matter how good the defense will be this year. The offensive line is ongoing problem and without good protection our point production will continue to be pathetic. It pains me to say, but I believe we are looking at 8-8 again.

Posted by: jmiller13 | August 2, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Actually the "suite of tools" you refer to best describes a gathering of Twitter users.

Posted by: TheCork | August 2, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse "

You mean like Iranian freedom fighters?

Posted by: chrislarry | August 2, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

mista: "With the exception of Dock, Williams, Bridges, the bulk of the offensive line (Samuels, Rabach, Heyer, Thomas) spent all of last year practicing against this defense.Did the practice make it better? No."

Didn't you just point out that 43% of the offensive linemen are new? As are Haynesworth, Orakpo, Daniels and Wynn on the other side?

So how does is that the same as last year? This team's made a lot of changes.

Posted by: Samson151 | August 2, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If last year's defense produced 10 more sacks and 10 more takeaways the Skins would have made the playoffs, even with the injuries to the offensive line.

The formula exists for a tepid offense and rambunctous defense making a Super Bowl run. The Bears and Ravens did it this decade.

If you're a real football fan you will learn to embrace watching a dynamic defense anyways. Graduate from football 101 you pansies! This isn't Madden or fantasy football. It's time to hurt somebody out there... if Sean Taylor were alive this D would be outlawed.

Posted by: elfreako | August 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Let me just follow up on that: the offensive line started strong last season. They lost Heyer early but Jansen played well in relief. They ran the ball very successfully, which made up for their weaknesses in pass blocking. It was the d-line that was making the early adjustments trying to compensate for the loss of Daniels. Jason Taylor didn't work out, but Demetric Evans was a help.

The problems emerged in the second half. The running game bogged down and the team was forced to throw. They struggled at that -- in part because of problems with pass blocking.

Is that not the case?

Posted by: Samson151 | August 2, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry

"You mean like Iranian freedom fighters?"


Well, tweeting sure did help them out, didn't it?

Let me guess: the government took its collective foot off the country's neck all because of tweeting, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again!!!! The only thing the coach controls is the offense. Hmm Whats that mean?

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | August 2, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that deep ejaculative analysis there Moe, enlightening. By your own definition of twitter, you'd be an excellent twit.

Posted by: chrislarry | August 2, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The problem with 'tweeting' is you don't get a in-depth, thoughtout response--just some moronic ejaculatory phrase backed up by nothing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 2, 2009 11:15 AM |

Much like your own posts, eh? Heh, heh.

Posted by: EncinoMan | August 2, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Because of the Skins' talent level across the defensive front, Coach Jim Zorn is not overly concerned that the first-team offensive line has not fared well yet."--RI's DUH MAYOR

Well he sure as hell ought to be. Weren't we reading glowing reports about how these Oline guys had been throwing truck tires around in Arizona, were better conditioned, had converted fat to muscle and were ready to go?

Redskins.com could not have painted a more optimistic picture of the mess that is the collection of aging, broken down and inadequate stiffs that appear to make up the Redskins Oline this year, again.

It's times like this I miss JLC's ingrained cynicism.

Yes the Dline looks like monsters, but the redskins did NOT make a serious attempt to upgrade the mediocre OLINE that played last season. And claiming it's cruddy performance is solely due to the Defensive line is--to borrow an expression from politics--"putting lipstick on a pig" when what's needed is young new Hogs.


Posted by: TheCork


Best post in quite a while IMHO!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | August 2, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is a "social media expert" and does it pay well? I might give up my gig posting on RI if I can make more as a "social media expert."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 2, 2009 9:09 AM |

Please do. It isn't hard to make more than 0. Even though you post as if you are being paid by the turd. Er, I meant word. Sorry.

Posted by: EncinoMan | August 2, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

It's going to be painful to watch out offense this season. Our best guard is Derrick Dockery...............
ouch.

Posted by: BMACattack | August 2, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like we need an offensive cord.

Posted by: jmy999 | August 2, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Last year the excuse was "We are all learning"
This year "New plays".
lol

Posted by: jmy999 | August 2, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope the old saying works:
offense puts butts in the seats, defense wins championships.

this defense clearly has a chance to be special.

as for the o-line the question I have is how well can they run block? it will help our pass protection tremendously if we can establish a strong running game like we did in the first half of last season.

httr

Posted by: isnadd | August 2, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Our o line stinks like a diaper filled with indian food. Good luck blocking Osi Umenyiora, Demarcus Ware, Justin Tuck, etc.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | August 2, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Even though you post as if you are being paid by the turd. Er, I meant word. Sorry.

Posted by: EncinoMan | August 2, 2009 2:20 PM

That's a good one. You post as if you're not being paid at all. Sucka.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | August 2, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gweez | August 2, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Guys, stop all of the pettyness and name calling. We're all from the same tribe so let's save our negative comments for the Dallas and Eagles fans when they show up.

There is a lot to be excited about this year, and despite what everyone is saying, our O-Line is improved over last year. We don't have Jansen slowing us down and Dockery is certainly an upgrade. We got line problems no doubt, but hopefully our running game will be strong with Portis, Betts, and Mason.

Posted by: isnadd | August 2, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

beepo...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 2, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Proving once again that Redskins fans have the shortest memories of any fans planet earth:

The Skins D has dominated the Skins O in training camp for the better part of the last decade. Year in, year out, we read stories in the Post about how the D is so much further along than the O...and yet here we are yet again, acting like this is some kind of surprise.

Posted by: Barno1 | August 2, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Just an FYI to all those who either don't know or choose not to remember, the Defense is ALWAYS ahead of the OFFENSE this time of year!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | August 2, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

The best possible thing for the Redskins offense is to be matched up against an elite Redskins defense.

At a minimum the Redskins are learning who can play and who cannot. This is the fastest route to improving.

Posted by: A-Contrario | August 2, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why the Redskins haven't looked to sign Levi Jones. Guy is still young at 29, was a very effective player for Cincy and above all is good pass blocking.

Oft-injured to me doesn't matter, we need depth, and he can be rotated to protect JC. Plus, God forbid anything happens to Samuels, he'd easily be the best option at LT.

Posted by: mjsciann1 | August 2, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

People let it go they havent even been in camp for a week. Take seven months off of work then see how quick you get back in your grove. If by the 4th preseason game we are still having this conversation (we probably will) then its time to start worrying. Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm and Mark May all played well into their 30's and were still good. Samuels and Thomas have been elite OL for a long time they will get it back.

We seriously need to find a way to get Snyder or Cerrato out of here it amazes me that you can consistently field a horrible/mediocre team for 10 years and still follow the same game plan. Everything starts at the top and we are going to be horrible/mediocre till the top changes. Jack Kent Cooke is a bastard for not giving the team to his son.

Posted by: murphyz | August 2, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The O line sounds like a continuing disaster. Campbell had two great running backs during his "great" senior year at Auburn - both Ronnie Brown and the Cadillac were drafted before he was.
They need a scrambling QB. Vick would fill the bill but I don't want him. Can Colt scramble?

Posted by: lrmc623 | August 2, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Colt's got some wheels. I got to watch him (as well as suck ass Timmy Chang and Nick Rolovich) alot when I was stationed in Hawaii, my brother in law was a WR for UH and he always had really good things to say about him and how athletic he was.

Posted by: murphyz | August 2, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Setting Campbell up for failure as Levar Arrington said on WJFK comes to mind after reading the above post by Jason Reid, Vinny and the midget didn't get JC any off season help along the offensive line so now what you can scream for Colt Brennan all you want but can he throw from a prone position say like on his back?

Posted by: dargregmag | August 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

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