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Zorn Speaks

From Jason Reid: Just got off the phone with new Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Jim Zorn, who said he's excited about the potential of young quarterback Jason Campbell and eager to get started. As for who will be the Redskins' next head coach, Zorn said he's eager to find out as well.
"The quarterback situation is one of the reasons that I want to be there and work with Jason," said Zorn, who formerly coached the Seattle Seahawks' quarterbacks. "Focusing in on the QB is important to me. Now, I'll have the opportunity to focus on the entire offense as well as the QB, so I'm excited about that."
Zorn said he didn't want to discuss the Redskins' search for a head coach because "I really don't know what's going to happen there." With assistant head coach-defense Gregg Williams expected to leave the organization because he is no longer under consideration to replace Joe Gibbs, Jim Fassel and New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo are believed to be the remaining candidates.
"I've heard a lot of names out there too," Zorn said. "I've heard some more than others. ... The main thing for me is that I think the Redskins are in really good shape. I think it's a great football team. I'm really looking forward to this."

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz  |  January 26, 2008; 6:28 PM ET
 
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Comments

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 26, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

HIT!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 26, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

He's here for the money. That is clear. Sounds like a good yes man too. Afraid to comment on the HC "process" ugh.

Posted by: Jaymand | January 26, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

fifth

Posted by: eleysium | January 26, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Eddie sucks and I dont want Giant Coachs for C*rist sake

Posted by: theredskin | January 26, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

why would spagnuolo, a defensive coordinator, come into a situation where he couldn't choose his defensive coordinator and assistants or run a defensive scheme of his choice? by picking the coordinators you can basically only hire guys who can't get a better gig elsewhere. that leaves fassel, right?

Posted by: jwruble | January 26, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn is a consummate professional, Jason Campbell's best hope, and will be instrumental in breathing life into this moribund franchise.

Redskins fans should be rejoicing.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to hell, Jim Zorn!

I read on another website that Zorn returned to Seattle (after his interview with the Skins idiot owner) hoping to get a contract extention with the Seahawks and was rebuffed. That is why he decided to come here.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 26, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Report because I'm really curious

I've never seen a reporter get the story so wrong so often as Jason La Canfora.

Posted by: barno | January 26, 2008 05:22 PM

Barno,

Jason's initial take on the new coaching search was that Dan Snyder didn't want to hire Gregg Williams and that Dan had his heart set on Bill Cowher. At that time, you said he was full of sh*t and making all of this up.

Part one of Jason's sentiments have just played out with GWill's release from the skins, and part two of his sentiments were confirmed by Boomer Esiason. Doesn't that put you (not him) in the wrong?

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 26, 2008 06:30 PM

Citations

Jason's assumptions that Gwill was the desired hire and the DS would target Bill Cowher

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/another_crazy_day_at_the_park.html

Barno's response

"This franchise went from 900 million to 1.5 billion since Gibbs came here in 2004. That's the bottom line here. [Snyder] is not gonna give [the head coaching job] to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites." -beat reporter JLC

The beat reporter's analysis here borders on lunacy. And the irony is that his moronic claim that Snyder's primary objective is to "sell seats" is sorta like the pot calling the kettle black. It's you Jason, who is actually trying to sell us something here. And it stinks.

Smells like bullsh*t

Posted by: Barno | January 9, 2008 01:14 AM

Posted by: argh | January 26, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

How 'bout them Dallas Cowboys!!!

What a joke this has become. Snyder has ruined what a good thing the 'Skins had going, after the death of Taylor. Now, you have a team of players who have publicly stated their support for a guy you just fired...are they going to want to play for the new coach? Will they ask to be traded? And Campbell...yet ANOTHER new offense to learn?

Snyder has obviously learned nothing in the past 9 years. Good luck, 'Skins fans...the view from the basement should be grim for the forseeable future.

Posted by: mdellinger | January 26, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Think Josh McDaniels.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Can all of you people please SHUT UP! You look for the worst possible side of anything. "Sounds like a great yes man." I mean, please. I'm no Dan Snyder fan, but c'mon. Zorn is young. He's probably going to bring in some fresh ideas that'll be great for an offense that hasn't really improved in the last couple of years.

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is 55.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

is anyone else thinking why not just hire zorn as HC at this point, might be a big gamble butt...

also, i agree its prob fassel based on moves made with d coaches, so why wait to name him. name him now and move on. the blowack from fans will be just as intense next week.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 26, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is young?

He's 54.

That's not young.

Posted by: jincargo | January 26, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS!

Snyder got rid of the coaching candidate tracker chart thingy, too! He'll probably replace it either with some flashy TV News graphics or bring in some student to draw it out on graph paper, just so he can have his way. THAT. MAN.

Posted by: jvwright | January 26, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is 55.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 06:44 PM

Isn't 55 the new 40?

Sorry, that was kinda mean

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 26, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

OK he's not young. But he's got fresh ideas. At least let me have that.

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse


Snyder Raises Dead, Interviews Vince Lombardi

www.paulgoespop.typepad.com

Posted by: paul.bortnick | January 26, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The Skins press release mentioned something about not wanting to overshadow the Super Bowl by naming a HC before that game is played.

Yeah.

Right.

As if the rest of the NFL would come to a stop, divert attention from Pats/Giants, and focus on this dysfunctional franchise.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you gocard05

It an opportunity for Zorn to get himself onto the radar if he get the Skins offense rolling. I don't fault anyone who is ambitious. So what if Seattle rebuffed him. Maybe the contract here is more than Seattle wants to pay for QB coach.

Posted by: mdvj | January 26, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

In addtion I heard on Riggins show that Zorn and Mora Jr aren't exactly buddies.

Posted by: mdvj | January 26, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

The Skins press release mentioned something about not wanting to overshadow the Super Bowl by naming a HC before that game is played.

Yeah.

Right.

As if the rest of the NFL would come to a stop, divert attention from Pats/Giants, and focus on this dysfunctional franchise.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 06:47 PM


It would If it was Bill Cowher

Posted by: leevi98 | January 26, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and JC is learning a new offense for the 8th time in 9 yeaers. Great. Plus let's just blow out of the water what was put together here the last 4 years. No player will give his blood sweat and tears now that Dannyboy and his BB have blown everything up for the sake of their own egos. Maybe Zorn is the right guy - wasn't he on the expansion Seahawks team? That's what the Skins are now...maybe in 13 years we'll make it back to the playoffs! ugh!

Posted by: Jaymand | January 26, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I'll hope for the best, but I'm preparing for a season of 4-12.

The Giants are in the SB, Dallas was 13-3, Philly is always tough, and all three of those teams have continuity at HC (Coughlin, Phillips/Garrett, and Andy Reid).

What are the chances a HC in his first year with a new team can be competitive in the NFC East?

Not very good, imho.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again:

PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY.

Quit your whining...

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I've been a season ticket holder for ten years and we were not close to being a consistent team. Perhaps, now, we can become a winner!!! The status quo would continue to be 8-8, no Super Bowls. If you're fine with that, bring on Williams. If not, lets change it up. Hopefully, we can return to the Promised Land.

Posted by: jhart | January 26, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskins21

See Phillips, Wade

Posted by: mdvj | January 26, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

is anyone else thinking why not just hire zorn as HC at this point, might be a big gamble butt...

also, i agree its prob fassel based on moves made with d coaches, so why wait to name him. name him now and move on. the blowack from fans will be just as intense next week.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 26, 2008 06:45 PM


Good call!! I will take my in-laws at this point to co-coach this team. Zorn has experience, why not make him HC? Jim Fassel is NY Giant detritus that flowed down the Hudson with the rest of NYC's garbage. He is crap; when did a .522 winning percentage make you Lombardi? How about his .400 percentage in the playoffs. Sounds like a real big fish.

Posted by: duh2mag | January 26, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Why assume GG would be 8-8 and no Super Bowls?

The Giants were 10-6 this year, and NO ONE had them in the SB.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

So, "Mr. Zorn, meet Mr. Brunell." That will probably be a pretty short conversation.

I can't imagine that Todd Collins has a future with the Redskins. So who will Zorn want to bring in at number 2 and number 3?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 26, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

All I know is we need a coach who will get the players to "fight their guts out" every Sunday.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Calm down people. Zorn is young in that he is a new OC. His ideas will be new. Plus, he played the game very well for 15 years at the QB position. He will made the O easy for JC. No more 700 page playbook.

The D is in good hands. Blache and Olivadatti (Sp?) are bona fide coaches. Fassel will be the figure head. Get used to it.

Posted by: boot1 | January 26, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

jhart, i couldn't agree more. Gibbs did A LOT to stabilize the franchise, but in terms of wins and losses, he just wasn't cutting it. Now, maybe bring in somebody who has been on a championship team (Spagnuolo, McDaniels, or maybe even Fassel[except not really])

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

No idea who Zorn will want backing up JC.

Bill Kenney, maybe.

Or Neil Lomax.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Report Now -

Willbon is saying redskin fans are irrational. Some of the people on this blog are, but redskin fans are smart.

F U Willbon.

They are not mentioning that Snyder and Vinny have taken over, this has little to do with Fassel.

He just said we should "chill out".

F U Willon.

God Bliss.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is a tool.

No it is "look at the Pats coaches" They are not going to come to this seet hole.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is correct.

Redskins fans are silly little children, some of the worst ever.

It's been a DISGUSTING display of impetuous behavior on these boards.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Now they have mentioned that things are A$$ backwords.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

podspeak

Is Wilbon correct about A$$ backwords.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Zorn confirms he has no idea who will be is new boss. So put that foolishness to bed that he was clued in.

Bottom line - Zorn is either desperate or a fool for accepting. My take is that he is a desperate fool.

Actually, de facto, Zorn's new boss is Snyder.

It's just that simple and that ain't good.

Posted by: gdennie | January 26, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"Welcome to hell, Jim Zorn!"

Does Hallmark make a card for these occasions?

"Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
We're all dead,
And so are you"

Needs work. I won't quit the day job.

Posted by: SteveMG | January 26, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

You know, I'm risking a shot to the head when I say this but...Fassel's not a bad coach.
I mean. I'm not saying it would be a great hire. But he's not the worst coach in the world. He's not a great coach, but he's not bad. I'm still thinking, why would you hire Fassel, with everybody who's available? But still, he wouldn't be an insanely terrible hire.

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Mul,

I see you have managed to blurt out a few intelligible words between gasps of hysteric whaling noises.

Keep breathing, baby.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

"impetuous behavior "

This is just talk not behavior. Impetuous behavior is Snyder sending tools to the blog. They finish operating the rides and Six Flags and come here to lie to us in the winter for there second job.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

your new head coach of the Washington Redskins is...Jim Schwartz. Hes the only other candidate that comes to mind , and maybe he had a say in the Zorn and Blatche. Is Dan Snyder that stupid to hire a DC and an OC before a HC? (thats not a trick question)

Posted by: rcarey10 | January 26, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

mul,

Take a look at your checking account balance.

If it doesn't have at least five zeros to the left of the decimal point, shut your trap.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn deserves no criticism...yet.

Posted by: beyes | January 26, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Zorn deserves no criticism...yet.

Posted by: beyes | January 26, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

podspeak

Is Wilbon correct about not allow the coach to choose his OC and DC is not they way to go about things.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

note to mul,

Blogging is behavior.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

podspeak

Is Wilbon correct that, not allowing the coach to choose his OC and DC, is not the way to go about things.

Is he right that we need a football person to run things.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

podspeak

Can you say one negative thing about Vinny or Dan. Or talk about the issue as had.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

mul,

I do not own the Washington Redskins. I did not start a business out of my bedroom leasing charter jets to fly college kids to Cancun for spring break, when I myself, had just dropped out of college.

While the rest of young America was doing beer bongs, and playing beer pong, Mr. Snyder was making money, the hard way. Contrary to popular belief, he does not come from a rich family. He earned it the hard way.

His nickname is "Timex." He takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

Take the binkie out of your mouth and chew on that, Redskins "fans."

PATHETIC!

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

mul,

Take a look at your checking account balance.

If it doesn't have at least five zeros to the left of the decimal point, shut your trap.

Posted by: podspeak

Are you kidding me. Is this Dan the man I am talking too. Do we hurt your feelings.

I am trying to fix cities so your grand children will not have to sit in traffic jams on the way to redskins park.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

podspeak

Can you say one negative thing about Vinny or Dan. Or talk about the issue as had.

Posted by: mul

Just thought I would ask again.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Who is this clown, podspeak?

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Who is this clown, podspeak?

Posted by: tafka

I will give you one guess.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Yeah who is this IDIOT podspeak

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

For some unknown reason, Vinny Cerrato has gained Dan Snyder's confidence.

Vinny Cerrato should be held accountable for the retrograde performance of the Washington Redskins, just like anyone else.

I have no idea why this man still has a job. You would have to ask Mr. Snyder that question. I'm sure he has his reasons, and I'm equally sure people would second guess those reasons.

It is what it is.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

podspeak is your conscience speaking.

podspeak is telling you things you don't like to hear.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak certainly comes here with an interesting contrarian agenda on a day like today. One would think that he/she is a loyal Redskins employee, except verbally attacking the team's fans is an unusual tactic. It all seems strangely passive/aggressive to me.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak, what is your deal? Looks to me like you've got a few issues you need to work out.

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak,

It's not necessary to pretend you don't have a pre-set agenda. It's funny that you think that you can just roll in here and people will begin buying what you're selling. Nice try.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

passive aggressive, no.

aggressive, aggressive, yes.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that the HC definately will not be Fassl (A great thing). Maybe our outcries have contributed to this, maybe not, but if it were to be Fassel he would've been announced yesterday along with Zorn and the promotion of Blache to form the trio. I really think Snyder is waiting on McDaniels or Spags... Fassel maybe still a backburner idea, but I think the other two guys will both have to "lose" the job first.

I Love the idea of a shocker by waiting until after the SB to announce that by miracle Cowher was convinced... but I don't see high odds in that.

-Redskin fan until the end

btw. cannot see getting mad at Dan Snyder. Despite how much we all love this team, he OWNS it and can do with it as he chooses. The biggest piece of crap I've ever heard was when someone posted something to the affect of "He may own the team on paper, but morally, the Redskins belong to us fans"

what???

Its like saying I have the nicest house on the block, but I can't paint it pink and blue stripes because the neighbors love to look at it, and thus they have a say in what I do...

I guess if there's a homeowners assn, there's a set of rules you have to abide by, but if there were one, the only power to enforce those rules is in the fact that I agreed in writing to follow them when I bought the house... to my knowledge Snyder never signed any agreement to take the desire of the fans into consideration on all such decisions when he bought the team.

Posted by: darbs77 | January 26, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

maybe Zorn will back up JC?

Posted by: fawcett007 | January 26, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

podspeak

Well maybe you don't work for Dan after all.

So I will tell you something about life.

number of 0000 in the bank account is a a-moral way to rank people. People make money in all sorts of ways but almost never all on their own. They need good people to work with them, schools, government ect.

People know Dan's story and he is making money off the skins.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"What are the chances a HC in his first year with a new team can be competitive in the NFC East?"

Wade Phillis (yes.."Phillis") inherited a good team and sleep walked to a 13-3 record. Quick exit form the playoffs though. If the the Cowgirls can do it...why not the 'Skins in the NFC?? We have a solid base of players and are a few more pieces away if we get good QB play.

Posted by: cdavis2 | January 26, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, podspeak,

Judging people by how much money they have? That's pretty busch league.

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with making money, especially when you own a corporation, which that has many employees on its payroll.

Not my fault you chose a career that doesn't pay well. Respect your work, however, and will give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are a decent human being and contribute to society in a positive manner.

Spineless, jugemental fans of the type that post on this board do not have my respect, however.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are more likely to go 3-13 in 2008 than 13-3. Regardless of who the Head Coach turns out to be, an 8-8 season would be an amazing accomplishment, based on what we have seen so far.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Today's events have enlightened us about the very likely overall profile of the new HC.

He will be not be looking for roster/player control, not adament about choosing his own staff, not a present NFL coach (a current coordinator), and confident that he can win with the present front office alignment.


That's not a very impressive profile of the new HC of this franchise.

Posted by: gdennie | January 26, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Spineless and judgemental seems like an accurate description of you, Poddy. Nice projection.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow, they got him to drink the KoolAid early didn't they?

Posted by: Megskin | January 26, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Did you fools realize that Dan Snyder set up a trust fund for the late Sean Taylor's little girl, something Mr. Taylor did not have the foresight to attend to himself?

Did you fools have any idea that Dan Snyder makes millions of dollars of charitable donations every fiscal year?

How many charitable donations do you all make? How many employees are on your books? How much money have you borrowed to finance the purchase of the Washington Redskins?

This is a business, and it's about making money. Make no mistake about it.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"Spineless, jugemental fans of the type that post on this board"

I have a spine but can be jugemental. It is more emotional blowing with the wind that I don't like.

However if you have followed the skins and know the first thing about football we have been through this before (see ball coach).

See gdennie above.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak,

Why do feel like you have to defend Dan Snyder? Who are you, Vinny?

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Haven't read all of the previous posts so I don't know if it was mentioned, but 75 Years of Redskins History is on Channel 9 right now. I still get chills watching those highlights.

Posted by: fgtdr | January 26, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

You good folks are the ones drinking the Kool Aid, not me.

The gains that the Redskins appeared to have made in the last four years, under the guidance of your hero, Joe Gibbs, or Gregg Williams, easy to confuse the two, I know, were nominal, at best.

Change is in order, and Dan Snyder will prove all of you cry babies wrong, not me.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Did you fools realize that Dan Snyder set up a trust fund for the late Sean Taylor's little girl, something Mr. Taylor did not have the foresight to attend to himself?

Did you fools have any idea that Dan Snyder makes millions of dollars of charitable donations every fiscal year?

How many charitable donations do you all make? How many employees are on your books? How much money have you borrowed to finance the purchase of the Washington Redskins?

This is a business, and it's about making money. Make no mistake about it.

Posted by: podspeak

I don't get it. Charitable and making money. Are you saying Dan only did this so he could make money.

Let Dan pick the roaster because he has the most money. Seattle should win the superbowl every year because he (Paul Allen) has the most money. All about the 00000

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Just how charitable was Dan Snyder after the death of Sean Taylor? Did Dan offer/agree to pay out the rest of Sean's contract to the family? Or did Dan use $500,000 to establish the fund and pocket the diference?

The whole thing seems pretty cheap to me. But it's exactly what I expected from a guy like Snyder.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

podspeak,

You're so off-topic, dude. Alot of bank robbers are great dads....

What do you postings have to do with the subject at hand?

By anyone's objective measure, Snyder has turned this routine exercise into a total clusterf**k.

Get some sleep and, I don't know, sober up a bit and I am confident you will see things differently in the morning.

Posted by: gdennie | January 26, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Paul Allen owns two professional sports franchises, and like Dan Snyder has been the object of intense derision in both Seattle and Portland.

Paul Allen dismantled the Trail Blazers, brick by brick, over paid player, by over paid player, and made a mandate to rebuild through the draft...

and it's working!

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Change is in order, and Dan Snyder will prove all of you cry babies wrong, not me.

Posted by: podspeak

Ok I get it. You were running a small buseness in order to make money. That in turn would give you a sense of self worth and make you smarter then other people, so you could boss them around. Unfortunatly you went crazy and had to be institutionalized. Dan gets attacked on the day you get out and bam here you are an a blog full or broke MF.

Or are you just 15.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

gdennie

I kind of agree with your assessment. I actually think it may come down to Schwartz or Meeks. Waiting for the Super Bowl to be over has nothing to do with this process. With Schwartz or Meeks coming in as a "first time" coach...they have no leverage at selecting a staff. Promote and keep the majority of coordinators/coaches on and make them work with it or not take the opportunity. Zorn knew he was not going to be the OC once Holmgren steps down...so he took our OC job even not knowing who the HC will be. Schwatrz was mentored by GWilliams...so that obviously was not going to slide well. Meeks won't get the head job in Indy because Caldwell will now be gettng that once Dungy steps away in one more year. If it was going to be Fassel...he would have been announced once GWilliams cleaned out his office at Redskins park today.

Posted by: cdavis2 | January 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Jim I loved you as a player and I have many fond memories of you throwing to Steve Largent.

But you might want to re-think this one.

Everyone says what you said at first then a year or two later they are either run out of town or are running out of town.

Good luck because you're gonna need it!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 26, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Snyder spends money, he tries, he cares, that's a lot more than can be said for most NFL teams. There are 32 teams in the NFL and only one champion every year, some teams have never won a championship and for many it has been years since they've been to the playoffs. Does anybody realize its been ten years since the Cowboys won a playoff game. We're not that far away from being an annual contender and it all comes down to the development of Jason Campbell, at least Snyder gets that much and has hired a former QB and QB coach as his offensive coordinator to mold an offense around JC and continue to develop him. I for one think Zorn is a great hire, Saunders was too attached to his system and was trying to force it on JC. It is odd that we have hired the coordinators before the coach but not unheard of, lets give this time and see what happens, the truth is there are plenty of guys that can do what GG did including Blache, which I think was a great promotion, it keeps continuity and familiarity with the only thing that has been consistent over the last four years. The rest of this staff did nothing to garner absolute promotion without evaluation of other options, and I never liked Al's system or our offense as a whole since Joe came back, a fresh system sounds great to me, and the same D does too. Now get a coach who works well with these guys, can motivate, and can handle getting a say but not the call on personnel and we're ready to go. I'm actually happy with this, GG was arrogant and would have been Pettibone all over again.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

A lot of bank robbers are great dads?

Now that, my fellow Redskin "fan," is a brilliant observation!

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Enough podcast. You shouldn't even be on here. Find us a real coach already. Free agency and the draft are right around the corner and they're not going to screw themselves up.

Posted by: mack1 | January 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The Danny hired the coordinators first because he plans to coach the team himself.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Paul Allen dismantled the Trail Blazers, brick by brick, over paid player, by over paid player, and made a mandate to rebuild through the draft...

and it's working!

Posted by: podspeak | January 26, 2008 08:03 PM

And the really amazing part of the Blazers' story is that to create that transformation, he dumped the old General Manager (also formerly of the Wizards) and promoted someone (Pritchard) who has so far proven to be an amazing evaluator of talent.

Seems like the Redskins equivalent would be to dump Vinny Cerrato (who in his 8 years or so has shown us nothing) and hire a young talented evaluator of talent to be the General Manager. Oh, Vinny just got promoted? Gee, guess a similar transformation won't be happening with the Redskins.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

PODSPEAK, REFERS TO SYNDER AS "DAN",
JUST LIKE VINNY CERRATO DOES :-

VINNY GET OFF OF THIS BLOG AND CLEAN UP THE MESS YOU ALL MADE :-)

Posted by: RAP70 | January 26, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that in the post Gibbs era that Danny and Vince get 100% of the power over personell, just like the good old days. This did not work before, as you recall. Just how much direction is the new head coach allowed? By creating the entire staff beforehand and taking over the power of personell then this position is more of a nominal position. The head coach gets the title, but it seems like a set up. I expect the next coach to be a spear catcher for Danny's bad decisions.

Posted by: driley | January 26, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'm actually happy with this, GG was arrogant and would have been Pettibone all over again."

You know I get tired of hearing this, it's entirely NOT the same situation.

First of all that 1993 team was old and on it's last legs anyway. Good Lord, they had the same offensive line for a dozen years.

Secondly, free agency had just started and shredded who was left.

Comparing 1993 to 2008 is simply ludicrous. You just can't blow up a team, coaches and all, and expect to win.

Snyder will never learn this, it's all about him. He ruined in two weeks the foundation that Gibbs laid here. They actually had a "team" in place, one that would go through walls for thier coaches.

That's all gone now....in two short weeks.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 26, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many real defenders there are left up in here.

BTW Not to fight old battles but Gibbs was doing a Good job. Stoking Dans ego had to be a full time job. Also Gibbs was calling the shots, that is clear now. Before, after, before again.

I got to go swing dancing now.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

AMEN! I've been trying to say that for days...GREAT POST!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 26, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

" and unto the redskins came a man named jim zorn,
who in 10 moths will wish he'd never been born,

but sitting up in the ivory tower,
is our savior next year, bill cowher

Posted by: gpizzano | January 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, um, Poddy Boy- Just leave. Nobody on here likes you, and this is just going to be back and forth and back and forth. It's a waste of everyone's time. Just leave.

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

mul,

Leave the misguided, personal attacks alone. You have no idea who I am, nor have any idea what I do for a living, nor is it germane to the conversation

I respect you, although I don't know you. Respect is my guiding principle, unlike many of you who post here and offer one diatribe after another against Mr. Snyder, the owner of the Washington Redskins.

Either disassociate yourselves from that reality, or root for Roger Federer. Tennis is a great sport and there are no owners to vilify.

I'll leave you cry babies to your own devices, until next time, that is...

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins will now proceed to sign Alan Faneca, Asante Samuel, Lance Briggs, Randy Moss, Albert Haynesworth, and Bernard Berrian.

And go 7-9.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2

I with ya. Finally someone with a good post.

Posted by: mdvj | January 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Your transparency is laughable, Poddy. Enjoy your steak.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The fact you fools dislike me is of no consequence.

You all should be ashamed to call yourselves Redskins fans.

bye, bye, pssst... you dropped your binkie on the floor and its all icky now.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2

I with ya. Finally someone with a good post.

Posted by: mdvj

You too are Supper Smart.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I have started a petition for Daniel Snyder to step down as owner of the Redskins and sell the team. I am planning on sending this petition the the Redskins once there is enough signatures. The website is at www.petitiononline.com/Redskins/petition.html...
ps. make sure you capitalize the word "Redskins" in the address, b/c otherwise it will take you to a different petition.

Posted by: josh1234 | January 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Redskin,

Those potential Free Agency acquisitions will only be possible if Goodell unilaterally raises the 2008 Salary Cap to around $200 million. Depending on the cooperation (or lack thereof) of players who will need to be renegotiated between now and March 1, the Redskins may well have some difficulty keeping who they have now (much less signing new talent in free agency).

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak..

Save the King Arthur sermon and quit plagurizing thesarus.com. Get lost. Isn't it time for your 8:30PM feeding off of Snyder's nipple?

Posted by: cdavis2 | January 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR DEAL, PODCAST?!?!?!
JUST LEAVE, I BEG OF YOU!!!

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

PODSPEAK...UH, I MEAN VINNY.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND GO TO CHURCH TOMORROW AND ASK FOR FORGIVENESS FOR DECEIVING THE REDSKINS FANS.

Posted by: RAP70 | January 26, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

On March 5th, Redskins One will be flying all over the continent, snatching up big-money players.

Word is probably already out that Danny and his sidekick Vinny are back at the helm and ready to dole out the signing bonuses to any and all comers.

I wish I was a sports agent.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Where did all the Dannyboy/BBVinny apologist come from??

You can say whatever you want but it's clear that the only reason Greg Williams is not our head coach is because of Dannyboys napolianic ego not able to let anyone accept BBVinny play in the sandbox.

Dannyboy has highjacked our team and will now destroy what Gibbs built over the last four years. Dannyboy will hire fire four coaches over the next five years. Mark my words!

Posted by: Jaymand | January 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

hmmmm an aging injury prone offensive line in 1993.....sounds oddly familiar.....

We need a big WR, a DE, a CB, and o line help, not hard for even Snyder or Cerrato to see. If you look at our draft picks the last few years we have actually done pretty good, and now that Joe is gone we shouldn't be trading away all our picks for old veterans....we got a real chance to be good, and we will be soon. Remove Fassel's name and look at his record....

2 time coach of the year
2 division titles
1 Super Bowl appearance
and a 58-53-1 record

he's way more qualified than anybody else available and I hope he's the hire, plus he worked in NY with their media and rabid fan base so hopefully he can put up with all the crap and blowhard fans he'd get here till he wins which any guy will have to deal with now because ya'll were so attached to GG. and he never has had personnel control before so he'll be fine with that, he likes Zorn, and won't tinker with the defense sounds like the perfect hire to me.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

PODSPEAK, REFERS TO SYNDER AS "DAN", JUST LIKE VINNY CERRATO DOES :-

VINNY GET OFF OF THIS BLOG AND CLEAN UP THE MESS YOU ALL MADE :-)

Posted by: RAP70 | January 26, 2008 08:13 PM

Actually. Vinny refers to $nyder as "mmmhhann." as he's talking and breathing through his nose, b/c his mouth is full and he's on his knees.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 26, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

And if you remove the 4-12 final season in which his jerk players quit on him he was 54-41-1 pretty damn impressive, additionally those same players were ready to quit on Tom before Tikki quit and now their in the super bowl.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe "partialy full." Danny is a little guy.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 26, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

SIGN THIS PETITION:

www.petitiononline.com/Redskins/petition.html

Posted by: RAP70 | January 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Considering Danny's concept of continuity, 2008 might be a very good year to change the team name as well. The team ownership and management is offensive enough; no reason to have an offensive mascot too.

Posted by: tafka | January 26, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

SIGN THIS PETITION:

www.petitiononline.com/Redskins/petition.html

Posted by: RAP70

You is not getting my e-mail bro.

Posted by: mul | January 26, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

The person also said that most, if not all, of the rest of the coaching staff was expected to remain with the team, lending credence to owner Dan Snyder's stated desire to maintain a degree of continuity following the resignation of head coach Joe Gibbs on Jan. 8.

The person said linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti has agreed to a new contract. Running backs coach Earnest Byner, the only other assistant whose deal was about to expire, has been in talks with the Tampa Bay Bucaneers about a job but would be welcome to return as well.

Williams had been in charge of the Redskins defense for all four seasons under Gibbs and was popular among fans and many players, but his confrontational style and poor track record at his previous head coaching stint with the Buffalo Bills did little to help his chances for the top job.

Williams often said that he had learned under Gibbs how better to deal with people, but his short fuse remained on full display for players and reporters all four years in Washington. He committed a major breach of protocol -- and created an embarrassing moment for Gibbs -- when he failed to tell the head coach that he was going to send only 10 men onto the field on the first play of the first game following the death of Sean Taylor in November.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215817
...........

Sounds like the people who report on this crap for a living seem to think Snyder is making some good calls.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Whoa... I just awoke from a nap in which I dreamed that Richard Branson bought the Redskins, named Ron Wolf GM, let Wolf run the team, and was only seen in his owner's box on Sundays - the rest of the time, he was busy running his other lucrative businesses.

Oh, it was bliss while it lasted.

Now, back to the harsh reality....

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

gocards05,

podspeak is your conscience talking.

podspeak says things you don't like to hear.

PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Plenty of continuity..

Mr. Dan Snyder and VP Vinny Cerrato..

Super Rich. in love with his Bug Eyed B!tch

was that way.. is that way.. will be that way

CONTINUITY....

Posted by: talontbo | January 26, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

RAP70, please turn down the volume on your keyboard.

Thank you.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 26, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak,

You're trash.

Posted by: gocards05 | January 26, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll leave you cry babies to your own devices, until next time, that is...

Posted by: podspeak | January 26, 2008 08:17 PM
------------------------------------
bye, bye, pssst... you dropped your binkie on the floor and its all icky now.

Posted by: podspeak | January 26, 2008 08:21 PM
------------------------------------
PAIN IS WEAKNESS LEAVING THE BODY.

Posted by: podspeak | January 26, 2008 08:42 PM
------------------------------------

Hmmm... I guess this is The Long Goodbye.

Heckuva job, Vinny!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 26, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

ZJFR2 is saying what I've been saying the past couple days...

The youth movement on the team is going to begin.....and we are going to build around the young corps we have.

We have 6/7 Draft picks for a change??? We actually have depth on both lines?? We may actually have a QB to guide the team for 10+ years!? We actually have young players we know we can build on....

WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HAVE HAD THESE THINGS??

Any head coaching change = upheaval.
We'll have to see what the future holds.

Posted by: goosedude | January 26, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong 'Skins fan, I'm as upset about this as everyone else. I kinda like the Zorn hire, not quite sure yet. I like the idea of Blache being DC and HOPEFULLY retaining most of the defensive staff.

What upsets me most is that if there does end up being significant turn over in the coaching and player roster, then all the talk of "continuity" at Joe's resignation presser is a complete lie. Even more so, it makes everything Gibbs established and his comeback a complete waste of time and frankly, quite an insult to him.

I liked what one poster had to say about Danny being likened to George Lucas: they both destroyed my childhood.

The bottom line, if they hire Fassel and you are upset about it, we can only voice our opinion by not putting money in Danny's pocket. As hard as it may be to not go to the games, purchase merchandise, visit the website, etc... it's the only power we have as loyal fans to say, "THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ANYMORE. STOP DESTROYING OUR BELOVED FRANCHISE DANNY!"

I can't believe these words would ever be thought, but if we want to make a stand that we are sick of Snyder's actions, we have to BOYCOTT THE REDSKINS.......

cue tears rolling down my face........

Posted by: mattpearson30 | January 26, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Leave the misguided, personal attacks alone...... I don't know you. Respect is my guiding principle,....I'll leave you cry babies to your own devices, until next time, that is...
______________________________________

Umm podcast, if you cut out the needless words in your post, what I paraphrased is what you have. Is this some sick twisted sense of irony?

Or are you just trying to use big words to sound cool?

I guarantee you are free to come write up here what you want, but coming down on what others are writing and then trying to look down on them form the high perch you are on just makes your hypocritic statements that much more baffling. Do you understand what I mean?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 26, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The Times has reported that defensive players believed that Blache wouldn't take DC because of his loyalty to GG. This may give us a little insight into GG personality that someone like Blache, who is reportedly highly regard in the coaching fraternity, would not fall on the sword for GG.

Posted by: mdvj | January 26, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

also, mdvj, money talks anfd loyalties walk

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 26, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Now that Jasno has nothing to do until the Superbowl, lets sign him up for the new season of Pros vs. Joes. We can throw him in there against Warren Sapp!

Posted by: david | January 26, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

BLACHE HAD TO TAKE THE JOB OR HE WAS WAS OUT TOO!

I DO NOT BLAME ANY COACH FOR TAKING THE JOBS. IT IS NOT LIKE THEY CAN COACH HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE FOOTBALL FOR $1MILLION/YR OR MORE....

AND I AM SURE GREGG WOULD NOT HATE HIM FOR DOING SO.

THE SAD THING IS SYNDER TRYING TO PLAY THESE COACHES AGAINST EACH OTHER. WAY TO BREAK UP THE FAMILY, SYNDER.

Posted by: RAP70 | January 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

rap70,


I beg you, for the love of everything good and sacre...please...please...please.....

stop shouting! Make you points, gnash your teeth....whatever but your all caps is mad annoying, headache inducing, rude and silly...


ok?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 26, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Woah - way too many comments here for me to read all of them. Especially since the majority keep saying the same things over and over. But I have been following this coaching search just as eagerly as the rest of you, and this is the first time I've decided to share my thoughts on RI.

I realize that the popular choice seems to be to bash Dan Snyder for lying about continuity. But having read this article on ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215817) I believe Snyder now deserves some credit. Clearly he had problems with Gregg Williams's ego, and never was sold on Al Saunders's offense. Hence, out they go. But Dan the Man has managed to retain the majority of St. Joe's assistants. That's good news for this team, since it is the position coaches who players interact with on a much more regular basis than the head man. And I'm sure that's one reason why Coach Joe was willing to make those phone calls the other day: to assure his staff that most of them would be retained. Continuity, despite our earlier misconceptions, seems to be in the plans.

Now, these new deals, combined with the fact that Snyder has decided to wait until after the Super Bowl, leads me to believe that, barring a horrible interview, Steve Spagnuolo will be the next head coach of the Washington Redskins. I recommend reading these articles on NYTimes.com to find out more about Spags: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/18/sports/football/18defense.html?scp=3&sq=Steve+Spagnuolo&st=nyt and http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/04/sports/football/04giants.html?scp=6&sq=Steve+Spagnuolo&st=nyt It seems to me like the man is a players' coach, who has experience coming into a job where his staff has already been assembled for him. Also, given the role that Blache has played under Williams (where he's been more of a Defensive Assistant than the head man) it seems to me like the Danny might be bringing in a Defensive minded coach rather than an Offensive one. It's a new day in Washington, but not a brand new day. There's still hope for us yet.

Hail.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | January 26, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder has owned the team for 9 years.
He regularly spends most money of any NFL team, not even counting coaching salaries.
During that time the Skins have been 8 games under .500.
He's gone through 4 coaches. That's just more than one every two years.
Coaches he has hired are a combined 12 games under .500.

Apologists, please help us understand why we should trust his football decisions.

Posted by: minorthread | January 26, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Snyder made his money by annoying people with junk mail -- now he is challenging even the most die hard fan to remain loyal. He's a disaster and I hope he moves on before he brings us down further. Gregg Williams may not have been the best choice, but the way Snyder handles these moves is just pathetic.

Posted by: omara21 | January 26, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Wonsapnatm,

AMEN BROTHER AMEN...Finally a fan who has a brain.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 26, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"I've been a fan for 20yrs, but today I don't want to be a fan anymore. The only problem is that I don't know how to root for another team."

"The fans deserve better. We spend our hard earned money on merchandise, tickets, and parking all of that goes straight to Mr. Snyder's pocket. We deserve some stability. We shouldn't have to start trembling in fear every offseason because some owner wants to play fantasy football."

"After the most tragic and difficult season in Redskins team history, the ownership of the team consciously decided to smear the defensive coach of the team by spreading lies about him through the media."

"Today is a sad day in Redskins history."

These are some of the common thoughts I have read over the past month from Redskin fans who are disgusted with the recent frustrating and heart-breaking decisions of the Dan Snyder regime.

My name is Shan Shariff and I am the Sports Director and host of "New School" airing on Delmarva's ESPN Radio 1240 in Cambridge, MD. On Tuesday, January 29th, we are taking our show out to Redskins Park to voice YOUR opinions about the mismanagement and deceit we have witnessed this offseason. From 1-7 pm, please join us to speak your mind on the air about this absurd debacle. If Tuesday is a success, we will continue throughout the entire week so that the voice of the burgundy and gold can be heard. If you are unable to attend, you can hear the rally live at www.shanshariff.com.


I am looking to get your help with the following:

1) Best remote location to broadcast from near Redskin Park.
2) Creative website logos for the rally and signage for the event including shirts and posters.
3) ANY other suggestions you can think of.

Joe Gibbs worked too hard to build a foundation for the future. If Dan Snyder is intent on destroying that, it will not go unnoticed.

Posted by: jabronisos | January 26, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I am bitter about Gregg. I admit it. Lord Helmet Snyder and Throbbin Cerrato his boy lover have made this place a joke, yet the money keeps pouring in and the people keep coming. Zorn is a good and decent man. He is sharp and hopefully as one of the coolest guys in football, will add some swagger that was missing in the conservative world Gibbs was fond of. I despise Danny Boy. His style is not a style. It is as Sally Jenkins put it. She called him a little boy dreaming in his grilled cheese sandwich. Making faces on his sugar cookies and hoping to find Ernie and Bert. Dude is a Sponge Bob reject. Reminds me of a rich Patrick. My kids keep me into it, but I can see Snyder secretly playing with cabbage patch kids and Ken dolls. The guy is clueless and has taken the franchise to lows in terms of respectability that I had simply not thought possible. Reminds me of when Angelos fired Davey Johnson... the team has never recovered from that and I think he is going to rue the day he let Williams go. The Skins fan base should just let him know through some sort of protest.He is counting on our loyalty to the team to be unwaivering and he is probably right... there has to be a way to embarrass him in front of Katie and Tom or perhaps his kids that would make him retreat and sell the team... whatever... here we go again.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | January 26, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

thanks leevi. :-)

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | January 26, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Apologists, please help us understand why we should trust his football decisions.

Posted by: minorthread | January 26, 2008 09:19 PM

minor,

I think the term you're looking for is not "apologists" but optimists. And what difference does it make whether you "trust" him or not?

He's the owner. He's not elected and he's not asking for your vote or even for your trust. If you want to be a Redskins fan, then he's your man. It's a business, and if you don't like the product he's selling, then don't buy it.

I, personally, would like to see hope in the future. I'm with the Carter Family when they urge to "Keep on the Sunny Side."

In the present instance, I don't think there's a clear-winner coach out there. They're all flawed. There are many clear losers, and Snyder hasn't chosen one of them. But, there's no guaranteed path to glory. The future is uncertain, but there are reasons to be hopeful. And I'd rather go with hope than with the anger and bitterness that have overtaken so many up here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 26, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Lord Helmet Snyder and Throbbin Cerrato his boy lover

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | January 26, 2008 09:43 PM

What is with you people who try to portray a homosexual relationship between the owner and his employee? Are you merely homophobic, or do you think this is somehow relevant to something?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 26, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Based on these idiotic blog comments, I think the players should just quit now. They obviously don't have a chance as most of you experts have already decided. Forget the offseason workouts and just go to Aruba.

PLEASE CHILL OUT.

Let's see how this all plays out next year. Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: croftonpost | January 26, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Talent evaluator... has nothing to do with homo anything... it has to do with the caricatures of the two characters in there original portrayals. Danny is a miniature tyrant and Cerrato is like his closeted lackey. Grow up and put the politically correct garbage where it belongs. Typical that someone would find something to whine about. Snyder and his yes man are pathetic and Cerrato obviously awaits at the foot of his master, collar on and awaiting his every command. It shows the two are enamoured of their own beauty and could care less about their fans. Homophobic? No. Fear of two Narcissists running the Redskins into the ground? You bet. Call it what you want. But please. Put the PC crap on Hillary's campaign website. Leave it out of the football discussion.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | January 26, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Grumple--

You're the one who's bringing your hate-filled trash to the discussion, not me. If you don't want it here, then don't put it up here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 26, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I confess I am torn;
Should I have scorn for Zorn?
Should I curse his firstborn?
Or, like TO, get ready the popcorn?

Should I continue to mourn?
Or will a champion's ring adorn
Our Zorn?
Will our franchise be reborn?
Or thanks to Snyder, will Zorn's hopes be stillborn?

I confess I am torn;
My welcome I've worn;
While I've wasted an hour
better spent on internet porn...

Posted by: Soups1 | January 26, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

All of you who want to stop being fans, please do, I'll get tickets faster and can't wait, say what you want but GG didn't "deserve" this job, as a boss you hire the best guy for it and a candidate who is egotistical, arrogant, abrasive, and extremely unsuccessful in the same position isn't a very strong option. Snyder has successfully brought in a guy who specializes in working with and developing QB's who will tailor an offensive system around that QB instead of a guy who ran a ridiculously complicated system he tried to force on a young QB whose talents weren't a best fit anyway, he successfully retained most of the staff on both sides of the ball, meaning the same or similar defensive system will be used which has been the only positive on this team other than special teams (Oh yeah he was retained too) for a long time as well as Buges who should have got assistant of the year last year if they had that award. That's a lot of continuity in my book, and improvement in the struggling areas. Now just get a good guy who can work with this staff, and can have strong input but doesn't have to have "final say" on personnel and we're good. And thanks to the retention of the current staff, there will most likely be little turnover on the roster. I for one am excited and think Snyder has done a good job.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Hate filled???? Read the blog guy... this thing is out of control. The vent session has begun. What control of the situation do we have other than to vent or withold our allegiance??? I was a skins fan long before Danny Boy and his pawn. If my Lord Helmet from Space Balls was too much for you, then perhaps the guy from Lord of the Rings Grima Wormtongue ... Saruman's little friend... Just another yes man...

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | January 26, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The Offense is now Zorn apart

But if we have a top 10 offense, they'll call our O "The Zorn Supremacy"

Maybe ESPN will talk about him on Monday's "Around the Zorn"

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 26, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

My unqualified theory is this: Dan wants to hire Fassel and would have this past week if the fan anger hadn't been so overwhelming. So...plan B.

Fire Williams so that any discussion, hope, prayer, outcry for Williams as HC will stop immediately and the fans can get used to the idea that he will not be the HC.

Continue hiring who Fassel wants on staff so they don't waste time. Give a lame excuse that they'll wait till after the SB to finish the search so they don't distract (pullleeease).

Announce HC after SB. By that time, everyone has had time to calm down and be resigned to the fact that it is what it is, let's move forward. Danny gets his guy and there aren't hundreds of people picketing outside Redskins Park at the press conference. We give up.

I'm numb.

Posted by: mtt1 | January 26, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Snyder's first reported choice for DC was Rex Ryan. He could not get him because of contract issues so he settled for Blache and some semblance of continuity was forced on him. The biggest thing we need to hope for as fans is that Zorn pans out and helps JC to improve. If we stumble for 2 years and then start over yet again we will have wasted the prime years of our potential franchise QB.

Posted by: cdubb | January 26, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

FROM WTOP.COM MESSAGE BOARD:

You can call Redskin Park at 703-726-7000. If you would like to write to Dan Snyder or anyone else, here is the address.

Redskin Park
21300 Redskin Park Drive
Ashburn, VA 20147

TRY CALLING HIM ON MONDAY AT 9AM.
HE SHOULD BE IN BY THEN :-)

Posted by: RAP70 | January 26, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

anyone know the details of Zorn's contract? How much did The Snyde pay?

Posted by: benjamindease | January 26, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Oops - this is the other NYTimes article on Steve Spagnuolo that I meant to link to in my previous post:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/sports/football/01giants.html?scp=9&sq=Steve+Spagnuolo&st=nyt

It gives a better picture of how Spags can adapt to coaches already assembled by an owner.

Also, what I didn't mention before, I think that Fassel is probably choice number 2, should the Danny not feel comfortable after interviewing Spags. But why wait until after the Super Bowl unless he felt strongly about the guy? Plus, keep in mind that Joe Gibbs has ties back to the Atlanta Falcons, and they were very high on Steve Spagnuolo but decided not to wait around until after the Super Bowl. So I'm sure he's used his contacts to find out what they know about the guy. He seems like a good candidate, and since Grilliams is out of the picture he'd be my top choice.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | January 26, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I ran a internet lookup on the number listed above and check out the results:

Grimm, Russ
Job title: unavailable
Company: Redskin Park
21300 Redskin Park Dr
Ashburn, VA 20147-6100
(703) 726-7000

Maybe the boy king has already hired the former leader of the hogs.

Posted by: redskins11 | January 26, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I ran a internet lookup on the number listed above and check out the results:

Grimm, Russ
Job title: unavailable
Company: Redskin Park
21300 Redskin Park Dr
Ashburn, VA 20147-6100
(703) 726-7000

Maybe the boy king has already hired the former leader of the hogs.

Posted by: redskins11 | January 26, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

zfr2,

Sorry dude, but you make absolutely no sense.

First of all, no one is defending Saunders or complaining about hiring Zorn. So that's not an issue.

Second, no one here knows Gregg Williams personally. However, the fact that a number of players went on the record stating their preference for Williams to succeed Gibbs, and the fact that the players on defense showed a strong loyalty to him tells me that whatever his personality, it wasn't an issue for the guys who played for him..probably quite the opposite.

Finally, he was by an any account very successful as a defensive coordinator, and not successful as a head coach in Buffalo. Of course, many head coaches have lousy first outings and do well later...one of the them is coaching a team that hasn't lost a game yet this year. Of course there are also coaches who do lousy-to-mediocre not only the first time around but also thereafter. There is no guarantee that Williams would have been a successful HC in his second stint, but there were signs that many, including myself, saw to indicate that was the case. I think the lousy performance of his defense in 2006 led him to do a lot of rethinking and also matured him as a coach and leader. His ability to rebound from '06, go back to the drawing board, rethink his whole defensive approach, and put together an outstanding defense despite a huge number of injuries (and of course the death of the #1 defensive player) is pretty damn impressive.

The reason so many of us are pissed off at Snyder is we've been through this before. It's like Angelos and the Orioles. An owner who has a huge ego and can't deal with coaches who don't massage that ego and let him interfere in something that he has absolutely no knowledge or expertise in--running a football team. Read the Sally Jenkins article; I don't always agree with her, but I think she nailed it this time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012503432.html

s a long-time Skins fan, there has been one constant ever since Jack Kent Cooke died--a mediocre-to-bad team. This team will continue to suck until Snyder is no longer the owner. It's that simple.

Posted by: gringoinmiami | January 26, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

mtt1

You have assessed this perfectly. I agree with you 100% and you said it exactly as I was thinking it. I love Jim Zorn. As Mike Wise said, Fassel is not a bad guy at all, in fact, he was pretty impressive as a head coach. That misses the entire point of what the community felt for the first time in over a decade... nearly 20 years ago... the team had something to believe in. To fight for. To pull together with and become more than free agent rentals. They became a part of us. My suspicion is, that if Snyder holds true to form, next out the door will be Portis and Moss. But, in the end, Zorn is not in anyway a bad guy or a bad choice. If Snyder fired Saunders, I would not be overly disappointed. Williams I believe not only earned the right to fail, but the team needed him. I hope that we are able to do something special. I just hope this lasts... whatever it is that happens. Tired of change for the sake of change... heck, at work, that is all that happens... reorganizations, layoffs, new bosses, new clients. Change, change, change... nothing to rest your back against because everything is made of quicksand... The Skins represent solid rock to many who bleed burgundy and gold. The heroes we learn to love just are ushered in and out way too fast.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | January 26, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, they got him to drink the KoolAid early didn't they?"

Lol, give it a season then we'll see what he's saying. :)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 26, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I have been very critical of this whole process since St. Joe quit but:

Gibbs got paid, we were average at best over the 4 years, I miss sean taylor, but given that McItosh, Rogers, (21 RIP), probably 24 get's cut) we had a lot of issues facing us, there is no more uncertainty (sp) facing us than if Gibbs came back, I don't like Snyder but I am leaning on giving whoever the chance, it won't be the Pats OC, probably Fassel or Giants DC, but either way there are a lot of People waiting for my season tickets if I give them up, so I will start to reserve judgement until we are 5-3 or 3-5. Snyder and Vinny make me sick but I am still redskins for life. (RFL)

Skins still provide 4 hours or enjoyment or heartbreak every sunday for 4 hours. most abusive relationship I have ever been in since my first wife!

Posted by: stivic | January 26, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602275.html

"...Terms of Blache's contract could not be determined but one league source said executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato contacted him in the last 48 hours and the team made such a hefty offer that he could not refuse it."

Continuity indeed!

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 26, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I ran a internet lookup on the number listed above and check out the results:

Grimm, Russ
Job title: unavailable
Company: Redskin Park
21300 Redskin Park Dr
Ashburn, VA 20147-6100
(703) 726-7000

Maybe the boy king has already hired the former leader of the hogs.

Posted by: redskins11 | January 26, 2008 10:51 PM

Thats the dumbest thing Ive seen today..You idiot

Posted by: Tyler84101 | January 26, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I ran a internet lookup on the number listed above and check out the results:

Grimm, Russ
Job title: unavailable
Company: Redskin Park
21300 Redskin Park Dr
Ashburn, VA 20147-6100
(703) 726-7000

Maybe the boy king has already hired the former leader of the hogs.

Posted by: redskins11 | January 26, 2008 10:51 PM

Thats the dumbest thing Ive seen today..You idiot


Ditto- grimm is out and never was, if st. Joe didn't work, a hog won't.

We are going in a different way, let's just hope it is the right way! Blache may (please god) keep us going that way, as for the offense- it may not be that big of a deal, middle of the road or worse, maybe better ( I wish JC got his chance to deliver under Al)

Posted by: stivic | January 26, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

My unqualified theory is this: Dan wants to hire Fassel and would have this past week if the fan anger hadn't been so overwhelming. So...plan B.

Fire Williams so that any discussion, hope, prayer, outcry for Williams as HC will stop immediately and the fans can get used to the idea that he will not be the HC.

Continue hiring who Fassel wants on staff so they don't waste time. Give a lame excuse that they'll wait till after the SB to finish the search so they don't distract (pullleeease).

Announce HC after SB. By that time, everyone has had time to calm down and be resigned to the fact that it is what it is, let's move forward. Danny gets his guy and there aren't hundreds of people picketing outside Redskins Park at the press conference. We give up.

I'm numb.

Posted by: mtt1 | January 26, 2008 10:22 PM

Hell of a scoop!! Seems you know more than podcast or any other wannabe "insiders." I have asked this question for days and no one can answer it. Maybe the optimistic, glass half-full posters can help. If Fa'Sul was so great, why was he fired from Baltimore and unable to find a job thereafter? (aside from calling plays on Westwood One network...which I am sure is a business partner somewhere down the line with Little Napoleon's radio empire). He was beat out for the KC OC job by Chan Gailey, who was a stellar coach at GA Tech. Fa'Sul is a yes man and will acquiesce to the demands of Tiny Tot. Critical? Please.....the fact that Mini Me has raped and pillaged Redskin fans for close to a decade is reason enough to man up with pitchforks.

Posted by: duh2mag | January 26, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

it doesn't matter if Fossil is 6-10 or 10-6, do you really think anybody is going to boycott Danny boy if we win? If Fossil or giants DC sucks, Snyder will be screwed but the PG county faithful will still go. we we stayed for Spurrier and will alway stay because we grew up Skins fans...

this is like a turd sandwhich, everyone has to take a bite.

Posted by: stivic | January 26, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but a "player's endorsement" is worth less than my charmin. They only like a guy as long as he wins, and will turn on him just as fast as we do. And in this case, all the conventional wisdom was that GG was the guy, its been said for years, so what player wouldn't take the chance to "endorse" their new boss who controls their destiny. Additionally, if a guy from the staff was promoted, they had a lot less to worry about proving themselves to a new guy, so they were just doing the smart/easy thing by GG......they'll all show up for work, cash their checks, and play hard for whoever is here.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 26, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

duh2mag

If GG was the next coming of Belichick why didn't he get HC opportunities this year? A coach can be hot one year (e.g. Grimm, Ron Rivera, Rex Ryan) not get a HC job, and be out of the loop for awhile. It doesn't diminish their value as coaches.

Posted by: mdvj | January 27, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

duh2mag

If GG was the next coming of Belichick why didn't he get HC opportunities this year? A coach can be hot one year (e.g. Grimm, Ron Rivera, Rex Ryan) not get a HC job, and be out of the loop for awhile. It doesn't diminish their value as coaches.

Posted by: mdvj | January 27, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

duh2mag

If GG was the next coming of Belichick why didn't he get HC opportunities this year? A coach can be hot one year (e.g. Grimm, Ron Rivera, Rex Ryan) not get a HC job, and be out of the loop for awhile. It doesn't diminish their value as coaches.

Posted by: mdvj | January 27, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Did everyone catch this update to the last blog entry? (I know I had missed it until I saw someone point it out on ES):

"Updating Update II: Jason Reid now reports that the new head coach will decide the fate of assistant Bill Lazor, who coached the team's quarterbacks, sources said. Earlier, it was believed that Lazor had been let go.
Lazor worked with Washington's quarterbacks the last two seasons. He developed a strong relationship with young quarterback Jason Campbell, whose development is a top priority for the organization.
Before joining the Redskins, Lazor spent the 2003 season as an entry-level assistant with the Atlanta Falcons. Lazor was a record-setting quarterback at Cornell."

So, let me get this straight. Snyderatto doesn't leave the OC or DC choices for the eventual head coach to make, but leaves the fate of the QB coach up to that person? LOL Talk about bass ackwards.

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

okay okay ATL was a really really good movie...on hbo...

Posted by: dealer | January 27, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I should have been watching that. Instead, I'm watching highlights from the '83 Super Bowl on the NFL Network and feeling sad that we'll never get there again.

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

mdvj,


You got me confused with gringoinmiami. I could care less about Double G. He got shafted, but my beef is with Fa'Sul and Danny.

Posted by: duh2mag | January 27, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Danny Snyder took an axe,
And gave the Redskins forty whacks.
And when he saw what he had done,
He gave Gregg Williams forty-one.


Posted by: farstriker | January 27, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Speaks volumes doesn't it Just Me.

Snyder = puppet master.

My only hope is that once the coaches are in place, he'll stay out of the way. What are the odds of that?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 27, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

pleasantly surprised...about ATL...i was expecting some dmx crap kinda movie

Posted by: dealer | January 27, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Let me ask you this. We probably will run some sort of West Coast offense with Zorn right? A lot of people are saying that Portis is probably gone. Well, Portis excelled in the West Coast style in Denver. It wouldn't make any sense (not that anything Snyder does makes any sense) to get rid of him. He's familiar with the offense and he proved this year that he can be a threat catching the ball out of the backfield.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Sure does, Stumped.

I imagine we'll need our seat belts for free agency, assuming they can get enough players to restructure.

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Saunders has been a success most everywhere he went. Zorn has no track record. Williams was a success here and had the players believing in him. He gets replaced by his top guy. Who saw what just happened to his successful boss.

Blache signs the contract for the $$$. He knows he will go elsewhere. He knows he will get a knife in the back. He knows he'll need to get out of dodge before that.

Zorn has some extra agenda. Does Zorn know if he will call the plays? NO!!! Because the HC decides that. Why does a guy take a job without knowing what it really is? Because he has an agenda. Maybe he thought Mora Jr. will screw him over in Seattle f he stayed. Maybe he wants to get into the big $$ and this was his only hope.

But NONE of these guys missed what Danny did to Williams and Saunders. Everyone will be looking over their shoulder, knowing that winning and getting better isn't important. That respect matters less than kissing up.

Welcome to the 2008 Redskins ... to those who choose to stay. At least you know what you are rooting for. You have my sympathy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 27, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Now, they're showing highlights from the '84 Super Bowl. I was so heartbroken that day. I loved the Skins, but I had the biggest crush on Marcus Allen. LOL He killed it when he ran all over my team that day. *giggle* Ah, the days of being a silly teenager...LOL

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse


DANNY BOY is the DUBYA of the sports world.

I can't wait for same time next year to say "I TOLD YOU SO!"

Posted by: instigador | January 27, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Woah - way too many comments here for me to read all of them. Especially since the majority keep saying the same things over and over. But I have been following this coaching search just as eagerly as the rest of you, and this is the first time I've decided to share my thoughts on RI.

I realize that the popular choice seems to be to bash Dan Snyder for lying about continuity. But having read this article on ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215817) I believe Snyder now deserves some credit. Clearly he had problems with Gregg Williams's ego, and never was sold on Al Saunders's offense. Hence, out they go. But Dan the Man has managed to retain the majority of St. Joe's assistants. That's good news for this team,
Posted by: Wonsapnatm

Please tell me you are not real. You have to be from the Building right.

There is no "good news for this team".

I am so sick of this. Snyder is sending his PR tools down here. There are a few real defenders but please. Vinny and Snyder are back at it. The worst thing is the PR people tacking jabs a Williams while Snyder lies about never having said a bad word about anything.

Wonsapnatm you are not real, go tell Dan to go to H*LL.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

"Clearly he had problems with Gregg Williams's ego"

That ego is self respect.

Our new DC had Williams blessing to take the job. Why not get a few more million out of Dan. He will then have a nice retirement. So don't feel bad when he gets the knife in the back "we should be so lucky".

I feel bad for some of the players (who gave us everything) and the fans.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

If history is any precedent here--and frankly that seems to be the case yet again--the fair-haired boy from New England is going to be offered a boat load of money to take over the team after he helps guide NE to the conclusion of its perfect season. McDaniels is by far the sexiest, most "exciting," biggest impact pick available. Anything else would be too rational. And he's the only one who would be green enough to have coordinators imposed upon him (I could be wrong--there may be older coaches who just lack the integrity to insist otherwise).

What also emerges from this is the undeniable fact that the Redskins owner and exec. VP have to be the most ham-handed, socially graceless people ever. Snyder is at least a pretty regular guy when all is said and done--for a billionaire, that is--but Cerrato is a dangerously weak mind. Between the former's amateurism and the latter's sycophancy, I doubt much good can come of it. And even if it should, they will always be pretty much unloveable. The most damning thing you might say about a person is that, were he to disappear tomorrow, no one would regret it. Were Snyder to sell or Cerrato to quit, I don't think anyone would even wish them well. And I know it's Snyder's team and we just borrow it, and he'll do what he wants. It will just be clumsy and hard to watch. And a team we love and pay attention to (less and less until things change, I imagine) will become a distant object of our curiosity. Its history and tradition will cease to be relevant as the Snyder era groans on and on ... They may well kill off every last Redskins fan, I don't know. Like others, I have been a pretty consistent voice in favor of the current owner, but, man, he makes it soooo hard to keep that up.

The most merciful thing they might do in the mean time, though I don't see how exactly, would be to hire someone smartish and attractive, like Dana Perrino, to present for public consumption the bizarre and contradictory information/disinformation that emanates out of Redskins park. Whoever they hire as coach absolutely has to be likable because neither Snyder nor Cerrato is. (Cerrato congenitally, Snyder primarily because he's immature.) Snyder could be likable, popular, etc., but his skin is still a bit too thin, and I think the job is just, to be frank, too big for him. Any owner who hides from the media is just in the wrong business. He should be the number one ambassador for the team at all times, regardless of who's coaching; his stewardship should be the thing that sells the team to the fans. Grown ups assume the responsibilities that come with their jobs. Presenting a public face for your franchise is one of them. If Snyder won't do it, and god knows Vinny can't, they have to hire someone who will.

Of course, that won't solve the fundamental problem--lack of stability or consistency masked by half truths ("if it ain't broke ...") and evasions and ever receding "promises of hope for the future." We'll get the team we deserve the next twenty plus years Snyder holds onto the team. My god, that's depressing. Hope the Nats and Wizards fair better ...

Posted by: DCUnited2 | January 27, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

If history is any precedent here--and frankly that seems to be the case yet again--the fair-haired boy from New England is going to be offered a boat load of money to take over the team after he helps guide NE to the conclusion of its perfect season. McDaniels is by far the sexiest, most "exciting," biggest impact pick available. Anything else would be too rational. And he's the only one who would be green enough to have coordinators imposed upon him (I could be wrong--there may be older coaches who just lack the integrity to insist otherwise).

What also emerges from this is the undeniable fact that the Redskins owner and exec. VP have to be the most ham-handed, socially graceless people ever. Snyder is at least a pretty regular guy when all is said and done--for a billionaire, that is--but Cerrato is a dangerously weak mind. Between the former's amateurism and the latter's sycophancy, I doubt much good can come of it. And even if it should, they will always be pretty much unloveable. The most damning thing you might say about a person is that, were he to disappear tomorrow, no one would regret it. Were Snyder to sell or Cerrato to quit, I don't think anyone would even wish them well. And I know it's Snyder's team and we just borrow it, and he'll do what he wants. It will just be clumsy and hard to watch. And a team we love and pay attention to (less and less until things change, I imagine) will become a distant object of our curiosity. Its history and tradition will cease to be relevant as the Snyder era groans on and on ... They may well kill off every last Redskins fan, I don't know. Like others, I have been a pretty consistent voice in favor of the current owner, but, man, he makes it soooo hard to keep that up.

The most merciful thing they might do in the mean time, though I don't see how exactly, would be to hire someone smartish and attractive, like Dana Perrino, to present for public consumption the bizarre and contradictory information/disinformation that emanates out of Redskins park. Whoever they hire as coach absolutely has to be likable because neither Snyder nor Cerrato is. (Cerrato congenitally, Snyder primarily because he's immature.) Snyder could be likable, popular, etc., but his skin is still a bit too thin, and I think the job is just, to be frank, too big for him. Any owner who hides from the media is just in the wrong business. He should be the number one ambassador for the team at all times, regardless of who's coaching; his stewardship should be the thing that sells the team to the fans. Grown ups assume the responsibilities that come with their jobs. Presenting a public face for your franchise is one of them. If Snyder won't do it, and god knows Vinny can't, they have to hire someone who will.

Of course, that won't solve the fundamental problem--lack of stability or consistency masked by half truths ("if it ain't broke ...") and evasions and ever receding "promises of hope for the future." We'll get the team we deserve the next twenty plus years Snyder holds onto the team. My god, that's depressing. Hope the Nats and Wizards fair better ...

Posted by: DCUnited2 | January 27, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Anything else would be too rational. And he's the only one who would be green enough to have coordinators imposed upon him (I could be wrong--there may be older coaches who just lack the integrity to insist otherwise).

Posted by: DCUnited2

Anyone with a future will not be head coach up here. Out of work, Zorn 55 not even an OC until now, about to retire, that is what we got.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

REDSKINS FANS ARE GROSS!

Weak, feeble minded plebes!

DISGUSTING!

Posted by: dog-speak | January 27, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

mul,

you are disgusting!

Posted by: dog-speak | January 27, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow I am awake. Lucky for you dog-speak.

If you are not a redskin fan why are on-line reading this blog.

Even a bully would not pick on so pathatic a team was we have, or Dan has, I should say.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 4:12 AM | Report abuse

We need T-shirts.
What would sell.

Snyder Suck!

Sell the team!

I got time so I can try and make some money.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 4:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't see what everybody is so upset about.

Do any of you guys really believe hiring Williams and his, what, 13 career wins would have put the team in the Superbowl in 08 or 09 when they needed overtime and a missed field goal to beat the Dolphins, Jets, and Cardinals; and got blown out by 45 by the Patriots in 07? Where was the great defense that day when the best team in football looked like they were playing the practice squad?

The O-line is going to have to be rebuilt after next season or the one after that. All the starters are over 30 and two of them have had two season ending injuries during the last four seasons. With the exception of Heyer, the reserves aren't really any younger.

Their window for the big game was 04-07 and they didn't get it done. They had to win out twice just to scrape the 6th seed and hit the road for the playoffs.

With Williams and Saunders as the coordinators, how many second half leads did the team blow? The second Philly game (are you kidding me), they almost blew the first one too. Do you really want to go through another year or two of watching that? I don't. Nothing frustrates me more than watching the Skins blow a two possession lead and lose or hang on and barely win against a crappy team. Time for some new blood.

The team needs to get younger, and some of those guys with big cap numbers that won't renegotiate their contracts need to hit the road. Take the dead cap hit get younger and move on. See ya Springs. Nice season, thanks, but how much gas do you really have left in the tank?

There's plenty of talent out there in the late rounds and rookie free agents. Big Joe 66 was a rookie free agent and so is Heyer. It ticked me off that they didn't make him the starting right tackle until late in the year. He should have started right after Janson went down. They need coaches that will let the young guys play. Why didn't Mcintosh start right off the bat?

They kept most of the position coaches so there's some continuity for you. And Jim Zorn will help Campbell. Like Campbell, Hasselbeck had a big problem with untimely turnovers earlier in his career, but he has really improved over the last three or four years.

Now all they need to do is quit trading away draft picks because they've done pretty good (with the exception of the Spurrier years) with what they've had.

Dan's frustrating, but he's done only three things that have really ticked me off.

1. The free agent class of 2000. How many times did Smith get to the quarterback while he was a Redskin? Not enough for the money he got.

2. Firing Marty and hiring Steve. With Marty, the 02 and 03 seasons are probably .500 or better instead of 7-9 and 5-11.

3. The 2003 off season. (All number 48 did the next year was take the Panthers to the Superbowl)Trung who?

Like it or not, it's his team. He can do with it as he pleases. He's not as bad as Al Davis, and even Davis had his team in the Superbowl a few years ago.

He's had the team 9 years. They've made the playoffs three times, and won at least one game two out of those three. They've had four losing seasons in 02, 03, 04, and 06 and 5 .500 seasons or better in 99, 00, 01, 05, and 07. It could be worse. They could be the Dolphins, Falcons, Raiders, Jets, Chiefs, or the Lions. Millen is the Rasputin of the NFL.

I don't care who the coaches are. Until the defense can get to the quarterback with just a 4 man rush against teams other than Detroit, the team isn't going to go any farther than the divisional round.

Come on new blood and youth. Especially on the offensive and defensive lines, which is where games are won and lost.

And by the way, Fassel is a good coach. He went 4-12 the year everybody got hurt and he ended up with Jesse (the bachelor) Palmer as his starting quarterback. The problem with the giants was Tiki, and is #80. Did anybody notice that Eli has played a lot better since Shockey went on IR? If he ever becomes a Free Agent, I hope Snyder stays away from him because he's locker room poison.

Posted by: Wetrunway44 | January 27, 2008 4:39 AM | Report abuse

Had to let RI know about my night because as hard as it may be to believe, it was vaguely relevant...

So, I'm down here for this wedding. Having a grand old time. I'm the only single guy, so I get the garter handed to me in some sort of odd ceremony. The dude getting married used to work for me, and all the guests are folks who used to work for me as well. Good times all around.

Anyway, I get this garter, and the next table over during the reception is none other than Jessica Simpson and Tony Romo. I resisted every urge to make a Heimlich Maneuver joke. Good times were had by all. They're both very gracious and very classy, so good on them. They even joined in some good ol' Australia Day celebrations with the bride and groom (who are Aussie).

In any event, after a HOT Friday night at the craps table, a HOT Friday night at Blackjack, a COLD Saturday night at craps, and a HOTTER Saturday night at Blackjack, I'm now up 5X what I started with and decided that after a more or less sober night that it's time to call it and get on the plane back to Seattle first thing in the morning. I'm hitching a ride with a friend and am nothing short of ecstatic that I get to avoid the nuttiness that is McCarran "International" Airport.

Viva Las Vegas!

Oh, and do we have a head coach yet???

Posted by: PDiddy | January 27, 2008 4:49 AM | Report abuse

We got the first 'arm chair' to be the coach. It did not want to take the job but Danny broke out his wallet.

Also as saw Cooly on the news. He has that look like CP just said something about dogs.

Don't have the quote but said something like "I never want to say suprised, we know anything could happen around here after Gibbs left." Eye roll.

JC looked at peace. The poor guy was at the 20th superbowl aniversary for Doug. "I just have to learn a new system I guess." Then get the F out of town.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 5:17 AM | Report abuse

I think the biggest part that bothers me about this whole coaching search is how little communication there is between Snyder/Cerrato and their in-house coaching candidates. I mean, no contacting Williams for 10+ days after his last interview? Williams finding out through the media that he was basically out of the running for the job? That's plainly disrespectful, and earns the 'skins organization a bad rep in the league.

I mean, hire Williams, or don't, whatever - but why leave him twisting in the wind so long? Bad move, classless move on Snyder's part. If he learned anything from Gibbs, it wasn't how to treat people right, that's for sure.

Posted by: hithere1 | January 27, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

Wetrunway44 |

"Dan's frustrating, but he's done only three things that have really ticked me off."

Please don't feed us the crap.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 5:22 AM | Report abuse

We need T-shirts.
What would sell?

Snyder Suck!

Sell the team!

Need some Ideas. Maybe the PR department would like to give me some ideas. It could save your job in the long run.

Posted by: mul | January 27, 2008 5:27 AM | Report abuse

"I think Gregg would make a great head coach, and he has the respect of the players and always produces a strong defense," quarterback Mark Brunell said. "He's wasn't just a defensive guy. He talked to all the guys and had good friendships with a lot of guys on offense.

"He's great to talk to and likable and all the guys know he's a good coach. He gets a lot out of his players and pushes them and you're going to work. There's no nonsense when it comes to football. He's a true professional, and I think every guy would tell you the same thing."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602356_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008012602667

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 27, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 27, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

BEEN A SKINS FAN SINCE 1965 , AND AS OF THIS DAY I CAN NO LONGER TAKE DAN S. AND VINNIE C. THEY TREAT THIS FANCHISE LIKE A VIDEO GAME , THIS IS LIKE HAVING A GIRLFRIEND THAT WON'T STOP CHEATING ,YOU HAVE TO LET HER GO , SO I'M LETTING THIS CHEATING ( YOU KNOW WHAT ) GO. NO LONGER A SKINS FAN, I DROP THIS TEAM

Posted by: caldwelt | January 27, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

And what has become of the Cryogenic Freezer chart, Cindy? How will we know who is hot, who is cold, etc.? Maybe the Deep Freeze needed an expansion/remodel?

Oh well . . .

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 27, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Cindy,

In the absence of Nate (who has apparently not been around much this weekend), I'll ask instead:

After this week's remarkable run-up, what is the current blog count number please?

Thanks!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 27, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Here are some ugly Senior Bowl stats for the draft nuts around here:

Hawaii's Colt Brennan was 2-of-6 for 29 yards with an interception. Delaware's Joe Flacco was 2-of-7 for 22 yards and a pick.

The real question following the Senior Bowl: Is Chad Henne the next Todd Collins or the next Tom Brady?

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 27, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

And Reche Caldwell's little brother made the big play of the game:

"Florida's Andre Caldwell scored on a 2-yard end around off a handoff from Tennessee's Ainge on the final play of the Senior Bowl to cap a 14-play, 86-yard final drive and lift the South to a 17-16 win over the North on Saturday."

Nice.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 27, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

NO LONGER A SKINS FAN, I DROP THIS TEAM

Posted by: caldwelt | January 27, 2008 07:29 AM

Good luck, dude.

You'll be back, sooner than you think. Giving up alcohol, heroin, or smoking is easier than getting the 'Skins out of your system. You and all the other flame-outs up here might want to consider forming a support group like Redskins Anonymous to help you through the dark days ahead.

Come back from time to time and let us know how it's going for you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Heyer will likely not make the team next year...unless Buges is still here. Who's the freaking boss?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I am a diehard Redskin fan since the first thing I remember was Vince Lombardi coming to coach and my favorite Redskin was then and is now Larry Brown #43.
I remember when Jerry Jones first bought the Cowboys. His first move was to dismiss the great Tom Landry!
I like the hiring of Jim Zorn to facilitate JC's growth as I did not see it happening under Saunders. If you get rid of Williams I like the fact that they promoted from within. The HC is really over rated as you are it is the assistants who really run the team.
Put Belchick with Atlanta and will he immediately make them SB contenders?
I am a Redskin fan not a general manager nor a major corporation CEO. All we can do is be fans and support our team regardless.I won't die because the Redskins lost but will be on their sideline forever.

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but I can't join in the wailing chorus with all you other sad sacks. I just read the article about Blache in the Post, and I think he'll put a great defense on the field. He has the players' respect and he has a record of accomplishment.

I'm convinced that Zorn can be an upgrade from Saunders. And the continuity is there with Snyder retaining all the other assistant coaches. Whoever comes in at head coach will not be a Gibbs, but he also won't quit on us at the end of the year.

Let's name the guy and start speculating about which players will stay and which will go. I'll go first: Who's going to be the backup to JC next year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Back up to JC will be a sad sack...or did you forget there is no head coach yet and whoever agrees to a king's ransom will have to let Vinny and Dan pick the players.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you talent_evaluator. Let's get going for next year!!!

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't see a change other than Brunell, Lloyd is gone!

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Everyone thinks there is going to be a great demand for a 36 year old journeyman QB? If he can get to a team as a starter great, but not here.

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

You know, ben, I haven't forgotten that. But I'm betting that Vinny and Dan can do a better job of picking players than Gregg Williams (Adam Archuleta) or Al Saunders (Brandon Lloyd).

Vinny and his crew of scouts are the ones who helped make the defense younger and brought in unknowns like Heyer, Montgomery, Golston, Blades, Doughty, etc. Vinny brought them in, and the guys who coached them up are all still with us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Bright spot. You make a lot of sense talent_evaluator.

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Everyone thinks there is going to be a great demand for a 36 year old journeyman QB? If he can get to a team as a starter great, but not here.

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 08:12 AM

Look for him to sign with whatever team Al Saunders goes to. He knows the Saunders system and performs well in it, but his value to other teams is doubtful.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

And Al I think is not really helping as much JC's development as his so called system needs 2-3 years to learn it.
I think Jim Zorn will be a great hire along with Blatche who is known for good defenses with Chicago.

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I really wish that I knew for sure who actually decided which free agents to sign. How do we know if it was the coordinators, Gibbs, Cerrato or Snyder? Just wondering....

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

And, Ben, another of the stories -- which may or may not be true -- is that when Gregg Williams wanted Carlos Rogers, Vinny wanted to draft Shawne Merriman. In retrospect, who do you think we should have picked?

The word around here from Wilbon, George Michaels, John Riggins is that if Vinny had gotten his way more often, we'd have better players today. I don't know what they base this on, but they know a lot more about what's going on behind the scenes than the yahoos (myself included) who are posting on this blog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Well driley we don't ever know the inner workings of a team. All we can do is stay faithful because without true fans we definately lost.

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I really wish that I knew for sure who actually decided which free agents to sign. How do we know if it was the coordinators, Gibbs, Cerrato or Snyder? Just wondering....

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 08:20 AM

We don't know for sure -- the Redskins are just too secretive for that. Surely the early disasters -- Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Jeff George, were the owner's. The more recent disasters Archuleta, Lloyd, were attributed (by third parties) to the coordinators. But you can be sure that the late round successes, the undrafted free agents are largely attributable to a good scouting department. The head coach and the coordinators don't have time to sift through the lower echelons and find guys like these.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I feel like I am on a beach the day after a hurricane hits. You can not get back what you lost in the storm. All you can do is rebuild and have some hope that the next storm does not come too soon. I will always be a Redskin fan but I will from now on be very suspicious and wary of Snyder. That is the peace that I will make.

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Can I respond now? Blog that sends my comments to the other side of the moon.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

driley--

If they're 11-5 next year, you'll think Snyder is a genius and he'll have your trust. If they're 5-11, well that's a problem but it's a bigger problem for him than for you. He's got a lot more in this than we do.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Can I respond now? Blog that sends my comments to the other side of the moon.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 08:33 AM

Ben--This is a problem, but one of the few that we can't blame on Snyder. My suggestion if you write more than five words, hit ALT A and ALT C before you press Submit. And if you're writing bad words, well, you just need to find other ways to express yourself.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator,

Do you agree that the new head coaching position is starting out emascualted? It looks like Cerrato/Snyder will be making the personell picks. The majority of the positions below the head coach have been filled. I am assuming Zorn was brought in with a different offense in mind and that Blache will stay the course in defence. That leaves very little influence for the head coach. All he can be is head cheerleader, public face and middle management. I see him actually being a spear catcher for all that can negatively happen.

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Too much pressure is put on the owner. Chicago's problem is the owner won't spend. Our owner spends and the coaches say I want someone. The owner gets.
A long list of who the owner's paid for but were just names the coaches wanted.
Schottenmier (I know I spelled that wrong) and Gibbs were the two strongest coaches we have had. They both took no name players and mad them into winning teams.

Posted by: jdbelt | January 27, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

TE, The finds that you mention (Heyer, Montgomery, Golston, Blades, Doughty, etc.) were good finds but are often the first guys cut in new systems. Will Blache use Williams system or will he use what he ran in Chicago? How will London Fletcher, MacIntosh (Godspeed), and Blades then fit in?

Blache probablly gets the promotion due to the great improvement by the line but coverage had plenty to do with that improvement. Springs was healthier, Smoot was back, Rogers was playing solid before his injury. Taylor was all world before his injury and Landry picked it up at the end of the season.

Whose to say Williams doesn't raid the lot (coaches) once he's hired?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

If they're 11-5 next year, you'll think Snyder is a genius and he'll have your trust. If they're 5-11, well that's a problem but it's a bigger problem for him than for you. He's got a lot more in this than we do.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 08:33 AM

I think that if they are 5-11 the blame gets shifted to the head coach, aka "the spear catcher".

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Do you agree that the new head coaching position is starting out emascualted?

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 08:37 AM

No, I don't agree. The head coaching position will be what the head coach negotiates. The coordinators work for him and they do what he tells them, not vice versa.

As for personnel, what you've described is exactly what most successful teams in the league do -- they have a GM who picks the players. Where there's a coach making the picks (Holmgren) it's not worked. The jobs are too different and are too hard.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

When coordinators are picked by the head coach then the head coach has more influence. Coordinators picked by the owner have more "turf". If a dispute arises I think that they could skip the next link of the chain of command and appeal to the owner.

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

What a terrible shame that a good guy like Grilliams was let go.

I assume that many of the players are just going to not renegotiate their contracts so that they can play for other teams.

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 27, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm would make a lot of sense right now. He bridges the gap to Gibbs and the alumni. He does not need to run an offense or defense (so he could coexist with Zorn and Blache) and he could help Buges focus on the O line. Plus, the Danny's PR nightmare would be over. But, alas, the Danny is not that smart.

Posted by: boot1 | January 27, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Whose to say Williams doesn't raid the lot (coaches) once he's hired?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 08:40 AM

The NFL says that if they're under contract to DC, then Williams can't touch them. It's interesting that Olivadotti signed up with the 'Skins without waiting to see where Gregg ended up.

As far as the young finds, I can't see much grounds for cutting them -- they're cheap. Where the 'Skins need a makeover is on the O side, where the salary structure is way out of line, and undoubtedly Zorn will have some ideas there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I assume that many of the players are just going to not renegotiate their contracts so that they can play for other teams.

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 27, 2008 09:02 AM

Why? Do you have specific players in mind who won't be willing to renegotiate?

Maybe more of them will renegotiate because they'd rather play for Blache or for Zorn. And, as far as renegotiating is concerned, do you really think they can find another team that will pay them more than the Redskins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Zorn - OK. Blatche, a decent move. If GW was head coach I think most people would have been pretty happy. Oh well, we can dream, I guess.

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 27, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

boot1--Why do you think it is that no team has discussed their HC opening with Grimm this year? And the one that knew him best, last year, passed him over for Tomlin.

But, I hope Mr. Snyder at least meets with him in Arizona when he meets with Spaghetti and McDaniels (assuming either will meet with him).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

All is not lost here, atleast Blache is from within and Saunders offense was not really good. Now if they can hire someone other than Fassell, it might all work out in the end.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 27, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

cmecyclist--Did you read the article about Blache in today's paper?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602275.html

I think Blache was an inspired move. Preserves the continuity, and the guy has a great record as a DC at Chicago.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

It is possible the team lands on its feet. Zorn and Blache seem like good choices, and the other assistants are pretty much in place.

But if the Skins end up with Spagnuolo or some other coach besides Fassel, as bloggers we should be proud we had a hand in this. If it weren't for fan outcry Fassel might be HC by now. Call it an intervention. We saved Snyder from himself.

Unless of course he goes ahead and hires Fassel next week.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Let's take the emotion out of this thing and look at the facts:

Greg Williams didn't get the job, and both Snyder and Williams agree that the parting of ways was amicable. Blatch was a good decision. He's a proven DC and knows the players. I think you would call that continuity. How many bloggers on this site wanted to run Saunders out of town this season? How many times has his "700 page playbook" been mocked? Personally, I think the talent on offense needs to be upgraded. We still have good players under contract (Cooley, Sellars, Moss, Landry, all of D-Line, etc). There's no reason to think this team will be a losing team, however, they will need time to gel. Remember, this was a 6-7 team before "the run". Who was talking "continuity" then?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I think Blache was an inspired move. Preserves the continuity, and the guy has a great record as a DC at Chicago.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 09:16 AM

If Blache had refused then promoting Jerry Gray would have been ok, too. I think Olivadotti will make a good DC someday as well.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

It's laughable that fans are going to "boycott" the Redskins. If they win the first game of the season, then all is well in the kingdom.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Mike Wise on the debacle of Saturday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602358.html

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 27, 2008 07:21 AM

Mike Wise said it all for me. GG did not have to the coach, and I am ok with Saunders being gone. I am even okay, kindof, with Fassel as coach (the guy was 54-42 in his first 6 years) but VinnyDAN could not have done all of this in a worse way. Just could not have.

My choice is to bring in Grimm, a coach with a strong personality but without an absolute offensive philosophy.

But that will probably not happen.

Posted by: RedBee | January 27, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Truthfully, for what I wanted (other than Gibbs staying) this isnt so bad now.

Yes the new HC will have no man unit, just like one wade phillips.

But for anyone who has been on here all year long, I have been hyping a WC offense fitting our team.

1) Quick drops and releases so our QB doesnt get pounded

2) Quickly getting the ball in the WR hands so the can go upfeild. Good bc we have short punt return type WRs who have moves. Think of it as the wr screen that takes one sec longer and gets the guy moving upfield rather than flat footed.

All the deep ins and outs kill our oline in terms of protection, and JC still hadnt thrown the ball before the WR was open. TC showed us that is how it was supposed to be done. Also the short routes keep the WR's unconvered vs. the deep ins that throw them into the teeth of the Defense. (see #82 ducking to get down every deep in he caught).

3)Gets the RB's invloved in the passing game. We knew Betts was good a cathcing. CP showed he can do it too.

4)Opens up the draw play and other Eagles type running plays that confuse the defense and keep them off balance.

Now for keeping blatche, I am extrememly happy about that. At least the players know him and most of the coaches will stay. So not a serious turn over.

Maybe Vinny and Dan saw what I saw and that is our offense is sutied for WC stuff. Now the only question is does a HC come in and say that the O should not be WC. Is that even possible. It seems that would be the reason to hire the OC first so you could tell any prospective HC that is how its gonna be.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 27, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

An interesting thought came to me today. The Danny and Jack Kent Cooke are similar personalities. While they may have made the SB once, the Redskins were a mediocre, at best, performer throughout the 70's. The were on the outside looking in as the Steelers, Dolphons, Raiders, Vikings, Cowgirls, etc. were the elite of the decade. JKC was a strong willed owner, very much in the public eye, and extremely opinionated re: how to run the Redskins (imagine the outcry now if the team "forced" a player of the quality of Riggins to take a year off).

It wasn't until the arrival of Joe Gibbs that things changed. And the only thing that changed was the winning. JKC's personality was the same. Fortunately for us, as long as St. Joe was winning, there was would be no change in FO/HC.

It is the same with The Danny. The past few years, public image of The Danny improved as the Redskins returned to the playoffs. After this next round of hirings, if the Redskins continue to make the playoffs, Redskin nation will be happy and there will be consistency at the FO/HC level.

Hopefully, The Danny's search will reveal the next Gibbs.

Posted by: CBT | January 27, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Levinems,

I don't understand why everybody on these comment boards hate the idea Fassel so much.

All he did was take the Giants to the playoffs with that Florida State kid at quarter back in his first season. Then three years later he took the team to the Superbowl with Kerry "my heart just isn't in this anymore" Collins. Anybody would have gotten killed by that Ravens team. They were simply unbeatable after BB realized his offense stunk and went into manage mode. If he'd have done that more often he'd still have a job.

In 02, they lost to the 49ers in the playoffs because the holder pulled a Romo.

The brass could have given Saunders and Williams a better send off, but what can we expect from people who are socially immature and have no social skills. And we really don't know what happened behind the scenes. All there is are rumors and countless speculation.

Posted by: Wetrunway44 | January 27, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

CBT, I see where you are going. They are similar.

But I think wishing for a Joe Gibbs #2 is pointless.

Teams have won with lesser coaches than Gibbs. And we dont need another gibbs. We just need a good coach. I truely believe if Marty had stayed we would have been a good team the following year.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 27, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe Snide and Cerated would stoop so low as to suggest GW spoke badly of Gibbs. Wow that's bad...trying to turn us against GW to save face.

No wonder Gibbs retired early and Willams wanted out.

Posted by: jamesrice | January 27, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again with 3-4 more years of mediocrity until we blow-up the whole thing again. It takes time and consistency to build a winning football program in the NFL -- this has been proven TIME & TIME again. WHO hires coordinatoors before an HC!?!?! You usrup the HC's authority before he comes in the door. -- This is classic Machiavellian management -- The coordinatoors will have loyalty to Snyder & Co. not the HC.

God I miss Jack Kent Cooke -- he let football people make football decision.. he just worried about his dog Coco and who was chasing his 30-something wife around.

Look for 8-8 next year with Fassel as the coach -- any HC with balls and a reputation is not going to take this job. Fassel would coach Dematha High School at this point.

Posted by: rskinsfan | January 27, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 27, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, yeah, I don't expect a second coming of St. Joe, either.

My point is when we get a winning coach, there will be consistency and all will be good.

Posted by: CBT | January 27, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

There are many of us, as myself, in our mid 40's and above, who can honestly claim a more mature understanding and respect of Redskin tradition than Snyder.

During the great 80's early 90's we could respect the unique relationship between Cooke/Bethard/Gibbs, and understand how key it was to the Skin's success. NOBODY was as idiosyncratic as Jack Kent Cooke, but he was 'old school' in that he HIRED GOOD PEOPLE AND TRUSTED THEIR JUDGEMENT. Recall that he wanted a 'big name' coach as much as any owner, but TRUSTED Bethard's choice of Gibbs, even during that 0-5 start that first year.
Snyder was a giddy kid when the Redskins were great, and had neither the maturity nor depth of knowledge to respect the Cooke/Bethard/Gibbs relationship. This current coach search fiasco is prime evidence: Instead of letting the GM find the coach, who then hires his assistants, we see this comedy of errors and foolishness with Snyder meddling with what SHOULD be the GM's (Vinny? oh noooo!) duty.
Did Jack Kent cooke HIRE GIBB'S ASSISTANTS before he arrived? HOW IDIOTIC IS THIS?
I'm convinced his tap-dancing to keep the defensive assistants was his response to the venom spit by people like us on this site, which makes him look even more ignorant and childish. If the Post were a serious investigative paper as it was when I was DELIVERING IT in the streets of DC they need to find some current or ex- employees of Snyder to get a real read on his supposed 'success' as a businessman.
Even though I'm on the other coast closer to another awful franchise owner about to mess this great one up, too (McCourt and the Dodgers), I'll get in line to buy a burgundy and gold, XXL 'SELL THE TEAM' shirt, and I'll wear it like tying a ribbon around the old oak tree.

Posted by: pdfordiii | January 27, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Willams wanted out.

Posted by: jamesrice | January 27, 2008 10:03 AM

Dude, you up here rewriting history? Williams didn't want out. He wanted in. The Redskins wanted him out. They let him go. He didn't resign.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

WHO hires coordinatoors before an HC!?!?!

Posted by: rskinsfan | January 27, 2008 10:04 AM

Jerry Jones and Bill Parcells are the two most recent examples.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I truely believe if Marty had stayed we would have been a good team the following year.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 27, 2008 09:50 AM

With Marty, we probably would have lost in the first round of the playoffs the next year. That's Mary -- puts you in the playoffs and then dies. That poor man was jinxed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable that Snyder has flushed years of goodwill and stability created by Gibbs down the toiled in 3 weeks! The person who must be the most stung by all this has to be Gibbs. He recommended Williams to carry on his legacy, and by nixing him -- the person who has openly insulted Gibbs and trashed him is Snyder himself.

I have decided to tune-out the Redskins for the next several seasons. Impossible to root for someone else, but indifference and ZERO economic support (tickets and the like) is the only way to send this little man a message.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 27, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs is the one who left the team. He still had a year left on his contract. This is not Snyders fault.

Gregg Williams was the defensive coach last year and Saunders was the offensive coach. Blache and Bugel was their coordinators. I beleive Gibbs wasn't the coach of this team until the Taylor tradegy. Gibbs acted more like the president and ceo instead of the head coach.

Posted by: jhess18 | January 27, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

What!? Zorn did not mention pies in the interview!

Posted by: larryn | January 27, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I have decided to tune-out the Redskins for the next several seasons.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 27, 2008 10:53 AM

Good luck with that, dude. Giving up alcohol, heroin, or smoking is easier than getting the 'Skins out of your system. You and all the other flame-outs up here might want to consider forming a support group like Redskins Anonymous to help you through the dark days ahead. Come back from time to time and let us know how it's going for you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What!? Zorn did not mention pies in the interview!

Posted by: larryn | January 27, 2008 11:04 AM

You can be sure that Mr. Snyder questioned him intensively on this topic and that there are a few incentive clauses in the contract he signed.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"With Marty, we probably would have lost in the first round of the playoffs the next year."

So how much better were the Redskins after he left?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/26/AR2008012602666_pf.html

Zorn to Run West Coast Offense
Sunday, January 27, 2008; D04

New Washington Redskins offensive coordinator Jim Zorn plans to run the West Coast offense next season, but "I really believe in a balanced attack," he said yesterday in one of his first interviews.

Each West Coast offense has its "own unique flavor," he said. "What I would most like to bring is this West Coast . . . background and then attach some of the ideas that I brought to Seattle and some of the influences of others that were already here when I came."

Zorn then praised the team's running tradition and said one of the reasons he took the job was the opportunity to work with young quarterback Jason Campbell.

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

John Clayton just reported on ESPN that Fassel is expected to be named after the Super Bowl. They knew who they were going with. Whoever mentioned earlier about letting the outrage die down was right on point. If anyone else ins interview it is nothing but lip service.

Posted by: cdubb | January 27, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know or heard of a link between Cowher and Zorn? What about Billick, he whipped Fassels a$$ in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: gpizzano | January 27, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't get that, the fan response wont be any less a week from now. Even though i am anti-Fassel I would rather just bite the bullet now and move forward to give us the best chance to gel, put this ugliness behind us and start prepping for FA/Draft/minis ect...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I've read a lot of comments on here that some of the fans are overreacting. But you have to ask yourself this: Was it really necessary for all of these things to happen? A 9-7 playoff team with a top ten defense, a promising QB, a stellar backup QB, and a formidable offensive line that will be healthy next year. For a team to go through as much as this team has, and make the playoffs in arguably the toughest division is a testament to the coaches and chemistry among the players. So was it really necessary to completely up end all of the positive aspects of the 2007 Redskins? Did drastic measures like this really need to be taken? Seems to me like Snyder is the one overreacting.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"With Marty, we probably would have lost in the first round of the playoffs the next year."

So how much better were the Redskins after he left?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2008 11:17 AM

Ray, Marty was born to be fired. Browns, Redskins, Chargers. He resigned in KC after a 7-9 season. He's been fired more often than my fireplace.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Part one of Jason's sentiments have just played out...

Posted by: argh | January 26, 2008 06:40 PM

Adam/Argh,

You must be joking. No way you could be serious with that above statement. You are now claiming the beat reporter had it right when he said this: "Snyder is not gonna give [the head coaching job] to someone that doesn't have that big name, that sex appeal, who is not going to help him sell club level seats, and expensive suites."

Oh. My. God. Lay off the drugs, Adam. Seriously, just say no. There is no way a sober human being following the Redskins situation right now could read the above quote from the beat reporter and say with a straight face that "he was right." It is clear beyond any doubt that Dan Snyder could not care less about picking a head coach that will help "sell club level seats and expensive suites."

Adam, get a clue.

Posted by: barno | January 27, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

BTW if Williams resigned he wouldnt get any money, by Snyder releasing him now he gets a payoff right?

Posted by: gpizzano | January 27, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

C-Dubb,

can we get a link to that clayton piece?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Barno

yes/no answers please

1. Is GWill going to be the Skins next HC?
2. Did Dan Snyder try to contact Bill Cowher about the Skins HC position?

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Brano,

Please lay ON the drugs....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

CL--No link (I think). He just said it on TV. But he did say it. I heard it clearly, and I haven't taken any "medications" yet today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: paul.bortnick | January 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Thanks TE....now wake and bake!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh. My. God. Lay off the drugs, Adam. Seriously, just say no.

Posted by: barno | January 27, 2008 11:46 AM

And cut this type of ad homenium s*%t out, because it's pissing me off and it makes you look like an ass

Adam

Posted by: argh | January 27, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

So was it really necessary to completely up end all of the positive aspects of the 2007 Redskins? Did drastic measures like this really need to be taken? Seems to me like Snyder is the one overreacting.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2008 11:44 AM

I think it's not Snyder, but you, who's overreacting. The top ten defense is intact with Blache's promotion. It may even get better -- Blache has an outstanding record as a DC. The offense has been struggling since Saunders arrived. Change is needed there. Zorn offers a better hope than Saunders.

As far as HC, yes, change was needed. Gibbs quit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Blache In, Williams Out
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John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Jan 27, 2008

The Redskins wanted continuity. They're not going to have it now, with Al Saunders and Gregg Williams both departing. However, they will have more than it seemed they would have just a few days ago.

At one point, Greg Blache was contemplating retirement and did not seem interested in becoming the defensive coordinator (in more than just title). But Blache is very popular with the defensive linemen and has been a coordinator in the past. The players seem to be happy that at least someone they know will be in charge.

And, based on Danny Smith's comment on the press sheet, it appears he'll stick around as the special teams coach - at least for another year. He has a connection to new offensive coordinator Jim Zorn.

"I worked with Jim [Zorn] in Detroit and I'm thrilled to be able to work with him again,'' Smith said. ''He is an outstanding coach with respect from everyone throughout the league."

Smith is popular and would be an advocate for keeping certain players based on his knowledge.

Zorn's hiring, made official today, is yet another change for Jason Campbell and having to learn a new offense. In talking to one player today, they were upbeat about Zorn, having heard good things about him. But the thought of starting over for the players is exhausting and morale is rather low. Can't say that one player has a lot of faith in Snyder/Cerrato to make the right choice. It's doubtful any player has respect for Cerrato.

The big question is what does this mean for the head coaching search? At this point, it's rather hard to read into the moves and know exactly where they're going. But signs would point to someone they've already interviewed, either Jim Fassel or Ron Meeks. It's hard to imagine Steve Spagnuolo, without having talked to the team yet, wanting to enter a situation where most of his staff is already picked. Sad thing is, Spagnuolo might be the strongest candidate for the position.

The coach who accepts this situation likely is one who simply wants any head coaching job, viewing it as a last chance. Fassel and Meeks both would fit into that category.

As for Williams, the players were not happy about his ouster. They absolutely wanted him and they craved the stability he would provide. But Williams was not going to get along with Snyder/Cerrato. He's stubborn about his opinions and beliefs and isn't good at massaging the ego of others. He doesn't coach his players that way and he doesn't work that way with those in charge. Right or wrong, had he stayed it would have made for a poisonous atmosphere at Redskins Park. It would be easy to see the front office turning on him if the team was struggling.

Saunders never had a chance. Not when you consider that the front office was saying bad things about him shortly into his first season. Joe Gibbs could shield both of his top men from the front office when he was here, but once he left, that shield went down. It cost them their jobs. What it costs the Redskins will be learned starting next season.


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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/723698.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 27, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CL. It was on Sportscenter. With all the stuff flying around who knows what to believe. McDaniel isn't leaving NE and unless Spags defense is so similar to what Blache is gonna run he doesn't make sense to hire. We're getting Fassel, may as well get used to the idea as much as most of us hate it.

Posted by: cdubb | January 27, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

4th thanks as always for your info scouting and aggregrating..

Interesting take there, sorta sums up my feelings in full...

I do love that danny smith, Kurt Olvie, blanche are sticking..

I think it would be huge if Buges stayed....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

anyone else hitting the bong right now?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 27, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I am in a looking forward mood (is there any other way?).

B/c it matters SOOOOO much what I my opinion is (hehe) am throwing my support towards Meeks.

I feel, especially with the OC/DC now in place, that I would love to see a fresh choice that is hungry for a shot and could bring a certain open slateness....

but what do I know...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

CL, I am with you on the Meeks over Fossil choice.

I'm sure my opinion matters just as much as yours.

Posted by: CBT | January 27, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

This article is about Fassel's last year in NY. The one thing that stuck out to me was this quote. An owner who actually gets it. What a concept.

The last two home games have been marked by empty seats in the second half, something Wellington Mara noted after a loss to Buffalo. He wasn't worried about money -- the Giants have been sold out for years -- but about the fans' attitude toward the team.

"The crowd is our customers," Mara said. "When they leave, it's the same as someone calling up or writing and saying you're not doing what it is I want you to do.

"I'm very dissatisfied. The message comes across loud and clear. All it tells me is that we need to improve the product. And how we go about that is something we will discuss."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1688484

Posted by: cdubb | January 27, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Here is what they think of Snyder where I live on Long Island.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/ny-spglaub0127,0,7913798.column

The amazing thing is Snyder could have kept continuity with Wiliams as Coach, Blache as DC and then bring in Fassel as OC. It's not like anyone else is offering Fassel a job. Plus Snyder would kept his increased popularity in the court of public opinion.

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 27, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I think it's not Snyder, but you, who's overreacting. The top ten defense is intact with Blache's promotion. It may even get better -- Blache has an outstanding record as a DC. The offense has been struggling since Saunders arrived. Change is needed there. Zorn offers a better hope than Saunders.

As far as HC, yes, change was needed. Gibbs quit.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 12:02 PM

How do you know what Zorn offers? Everybody saw what the Skins offense can do when your familiar with it (Collins anyone?) Half the O line gone and receivers injured. Yeah, I'm sure Zorn would do so much better in those circumstances. Another offense learned By Campbell after trying to master this one. He would of only gotten better. Secondary decimated yet the D was still strong. It goes further than just the football aspects here. Your basically cutting ties to what bonded the 2007 Skins amidst all their adversity. And how am I overreacting? I'm stating my opinion in a rational manner. Try calling somebody else out. You'll be changing your point of view just like you did with Gibbs earlier this season.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I still say it's Bill Cowher.

Naming Fassell HC wouldn't matter if they named him before or after the Super Bowl. It wouldn't be that big of news and in no way would distract from the Super Bowl.

...and naming your OC and DC before hiring a HC make me think its definitely not an NE or NYG coach.

That leaves Bill Cowher.


Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Snyder,

surely as someone who used to be good businessman, you once understood that hiring people who see the world different than you do is GOOD. No one person, no matter how wealthy or powerful, has a monopoly on the truth. Surrounding yourself with sycophants and/or folks showing up just for the money is the surest way of achieving consistent, enduring mediocrity.

Your actions of late can only be explained as those of

a) someone as detached from reality as your new best friend Tom Cruise

b) A Manchurian candidate sent by the Cowboys to destroy foundation of the Redskins franchise - the fans

c) Both

My vote is C

Posted by: tconway | January 27, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

That leaves Bill Cowher.


Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 12:45 PM

And, Cowher would come to a situation like this where his assistants have been picked for him, a guy who learnt to pick his nose with his finger yesterday as the EVP of Football Ops, and a delusional ego-maniac for an owner who shafted Cowher's mentor Marty after one season. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 27, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

And how am I overreacting?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2008 12:44 PM

You're overreacting because the 'Skins just got better, not worse.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

That leaves Bill Cowher.

Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 12:45 PM

or Jimmy Johnson

Posted by: bobmilldevils | January 27, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

people there is not a chance is the hot fiery depths of Hades that a knight on a white horse like Cowher or Johnson are riding in at this point. You tag yo self as a delusional fool if you think A) It will happen or even B) Its a good idea.

I don't even see the rationale of suggesting this give the events and facts.

But in the vernacular of RI, maybe a winged unicorn will ride in on rainbow....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

You're overreacting because the 'Skins just got better, not worse.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 12:52 PM

I would not make that statement yet. I do not see Zorn being an improvement over Ssunders in terms of bringing an offensive system. Since Zorn has not been an OC it remains to be seen what can happen. Campbell, in the third year of Saunders' system would have improved, and the starters would have been back on the right side of the offensive line. If that is not enough then the example of Collins who averaged over 100 for a qb rating is enough proof for me that Saunders' system works. If Zorn has better stats I would give much of the credit to a healthy offensive line and health receivers, a benefit that Saunders did not have this season.

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Very clear to me that Jim Schwartz is the next HC.

GG and him are one and the same when comes to "D" philosophy, so you would not have to disrupt anything there. Many of GG's players (Fletcher) and coaches (Gray) also know Schwartz and would be totally comfortable with him

Think: Why did the Titans ask the Redskins permission to interview GG? For what opening - Norm Chow's on the other side of ball. I don't think so.

We are going to have a swap here: Schwartz to 'Skins for HC. Willimas to Titans as DC.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 27, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I think Jimmy Johnson would rather fall off his boat and drown than coach here. Gotta believe that post was a joke.

Posted by: cdubb | January 27, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

And how am I overreacting?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2008 12:44 PM

You're overreacting because the 'Skins just got better, not worse.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 12:52 PM

That's pretty foolish of you to make that statement when you have absolutely nothing to go on in terms of Zorn as a coordinator and the fact that they don't even have a head coach yet. All of your "theories" are based on speculation and nothing more. So I suggest you keep quiet until you can come with some viable evidence that the Skins will be better next year.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I just figured it out.

I can't remember anybody talking this guy up and I think he may have a chance:

Joe Bugel

Whaddayathink?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 27, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I am pro-everything Buges! dont see it happenin though...

chriS lARrY

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

All of your "theories" are based on speculation and nothing more.

Posted by: ga8085 | January 27, 2008 01:11 PM

And all of your frenzy is based on speculation that the 'Skins have gotten worse. Dude, no one can foresee the future -- that's why they play the games. You're speculating that Saunders' system, which has been very middling in DC, will be better than Zorn's West Coast system. You're speculating that Blache won't be able to do a better job with the D than Williams did. Etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Buges was a washout as a head coach in Oakland and in Arizona. He's got the right job -- let's keep him doing it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I hold nothing against a coach based on HC of Raiders...AZ is old newz....

But whateves a Buges HC is never going to happen, not worth argueing...Grimm would be the better option under the same thinking...

I do hope hope hope that Buges keeps his job though!

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

That leaves Bill Cowher.


Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 12:45 PM

And, Cowher would come to a situation like this where his assistants have been picked for him, a guy who learnt to pick his nose with his finger yesterday as the EVP of Football Ops, and a delusional ego-maniac for an owner who shafted Cowher's mentor Marty after one season. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 27, 2008 12:51 PM


Point being, if it is Bill Cowher than he probably did have say in the hiring of Zorn and Blache. He's retired so he can talk to anybody, anytime he wants!

He's also stated the Redskins job was an enviable position.

The Skins are loaded with talent despite what the ney-sayers ney and nobody pays better than Snyder.

Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Not sure who the new coach is going to be Fassel, schwartz, meeks, one of the super bowl coordinators?....whoever the coach is needs to be allowed the time to develope the team wihout the nknee jerk panic if trhe thing doesn't start out right...which is entirely possible, on the other hand continuity of sorts has been kept on the stronger side of the ball (defense)so it would anticipated that we stay prety good there...the real question and by far the most important factors in making us/keeping us competive is to develope Campbell quicly into a franchise QB which in itself will promote coaching continuity which inturn will bread sucess....second we must continue the ordrly out with the old in with new talent upgrade...we really really need a good offseason here... i am not about to panic or abandonship change can be a good thing and the franchise has to stand on its own, the "savior" has moved on stayed just long enough to stop the ship from sinking and get mus to a point where we can a least see land....we have to navigate the rest on our own, find a new captain so to speak...will it work, don't know but thats part of the fun.....

Posted by: Oldschool | January 27, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool--

John Clayton on ESPN at noon was saying that Fassel will be head coach, announced after the SB. Makes sense. Danny's not going to be dissuaded by a bunch of lowly bloggers like us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

filmchis, Cowher is NOT coming here. He is happily retired - at least for this year and can't see him working for that idiot Snyder anyway.

It is Fassel....I'm betting Snyder has already told him he will be hired...Snyder is trying to wait until after the Super Bowl in hopes that the fans RAGE will die down (it will not). Has told Fassel to lay low until then.

He then plans to fire Fassel when he have a horrific losing season and will then go after Cowher. I'm sure Cowher has been watching this debacle and will turn him down COLD next year which will be hilarious.

For those of you who think I do not know what I'm talking about, please remember I was the person who (at the beginning of the season) predicted the Giants would go to the Super Bowl...when they were 0-2.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 27, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Old School is like RI Valium! I am for Old School as HC!!!!!

I hope Zorn has a plan to get JC using those legs more. I love his mobility and would love more roll-outs...passes on the move, ways to open up out runs when a play breaks down.

chris LARRY

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I have as much enthusiasm for Fassel as I have for stepping into a cold water shower in morning.

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I see 0 point in waiting to announce Fassel. Fan reaction will be the same, if not worse, as people will start to get excited about a Mac, spage, meeks type hire. If its gonna be Fassel...announce it take the hit and lets start looking toward FA/Draft ect...

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"For those of you who think I do not know what I'm talking about, please remember I was the person who (at the beginning of the season) predicted the Giants would go to the Super Bowl...when they were 0-2."

Posted by: Lisa_R


You definitely don't know what your talking about when you spew logic like this!!

Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I just can not imagine the players text messaging each other saying that they just can't wait to start playing for Fassel. When is Snyder going to learn that getting his way is not always the best for the Skins?

Posted by: driley | January 27, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

You definitely don't know what your talking about when you spew logic like this!!

Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 01:58 PM

It's not logic, filmchis. It's an example of accurate intuition. Logic and intuition both have their place. They are not mutually exclusive, you can learn from both.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 27, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

te, don't you have better things to do than calling out people at 8 am on sunday? do you have a family? shouldn't you be doing something with them? what do you hope to accomplish with this pro-iraq war like talk? again you must love to be a contrarian in your real life. you're not going to get to say "i told you so". i promise you that. you're not.

ask the cowgirls fans! how do they feel? same shti's gonna happen to people like you. this shti don't work in the nfl. it's been proven over and over and over again. that's one of the reasons we're boycotting danny's product. and here you are saying this kinda shti works in the nfl and your supporting argument is jerry jones? while we have the whole history of the NFL behind us? HELLO!!!!!???? how many playoff games has he won without the triplets?

have you ever heard of a saying "...not all people can be wrong all the time..."?

and danny's not gonna call you and offer you a job either. he's got enough mouth pieces, better ones at that.

you want support for your argument listen to riggo. at least he makes sense and doesn't sound like just another sheep.

diddy, baby i read your post. just like what i said to jasno...not really the best time to bring that kinda stuff up right now...we're going thru some things right now. maybe in may/june...

ohh and i fully expect to be here eventhough my sentiments towards danny's product is of indifference.

dude, the guy employs the likes of slimy vinny and tom cruise!!! of all the people you being on meds should realize how fcked up this guy's business practices are. i don't want to tell you what to do but you're supporting an a-hole and a-holic practices.

Posted by: dealer | January 27, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

You usrup the HC's authority before he comes in the door. -- This is classic Machiavellian management

Posted by: rskinsfan | January 27, 2008 10:04 AM

As someone else put it, we're talking about Dan Snyder here--it's Miniavellian management!

Posted by: HogsHead | January 27, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

One thing I'm so glad about it is this year I won't have to hear from all my Cowboys and Eagles fan friends how we were Champions of the Offseason again!

Posted by: HogsHead | January 27, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I think HC has to be someone already interviewed (Fassel, Meeks, or an unannounced candidate) who has been totally on board with the hiring of Zorn and the promotion of Blache. I don't think it's Cowher as I'm sure he thinks he can do better than only take a 1 year off and then sign on to Danny/Vinny. Grimm could be a possibility but I think his name would have surfaced for an interview as did the names of Fassel and Meeks. Personally, I think it's Fassel or Snyder would have announced he was no longer a candidate due to the backlash. I really don't think that Snyder cares about the reaction of fans based on his firing of GWilliams. It's all what Dan wants and remember he wanted to hire Fassel back in 2004.

Posted by: n6797p | January 27, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

As disappointing as it is that we're not going to see GG take the mantle from Gibbs, and as optimistic as I was that another offseason would spell mastery of the Saunders system for Campbell, I have to admit that Zorn and Blache seem like good calls. I like what I saw of Jason when he was running the hurry-up this year. I don't know if I see him shining in a pure West Coast offense, but if Zorn can modify his system to showcase Jason's arm and use his QB coaching skills to finesse Jason's short game, I see a potential winning combo here.

Posted by: HogsHead | January 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you, but I deal with enough shabingus in my day job. If this isn't fun, and you're not getting paid, how can we make it fun?
I could speculate on a bunch of ways we could get to where we have arrived right now, but each way would be baseless conjecture.
From my perch on the HabiTrail, I don't see how I can judge whether the coach with three years of ~.500 ball is unquestionably better than the coach with six years of ~.500 ball and a trip to the Super Bowl. I'd probably need an interview or four to make my decision. And I'm probably going to think of the hire as a five-year plan, not a let's-see-how-next-year-goes-and-then-we'll-hire-Cowher move.
So, in closing, before you criticize Dan, walk a mile in his shoes. Then you'll be a mile away and will have ruined a pair of size 4 Docksiders.

Posted by: daggar | January 27, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

You usrup the HC's authority before he comes in the door. -- This is classic Machiavellian management

Posted by: rskinsfan | January 27, 2008 10:04 AM

Precisely.

Zorn has already laid out the West Coast as his offense - an offense for which JC is not ideally suited (quick throws, touch passes). The defense is set as an extension of 2007 GW. So where does the new HC's philosophy come into play?

On paper, the coordinators report to the HC, but Snyder has established an informal reporting structure with multiple dotted lines.

Say what you will and rationalize all you want, this coaching arrangement is not only distinct, but it is also inherently suboptimal.

Posted by: gdennie | January 27, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Jason-
Can you comment on why nobody has really focused on the fact that Gibbs, in a sense, sold Gregg Williams out? By continually talking Williams into "sticking with it," wasn't he really advising Williams to put his faith in Snyder, a guy who has shown time and time again that he doesn't deserve ANYONE's trust? I think Gibbs' involvement in this fiasco of a coaching search, however minor, tarnishes Gibbs' reputation even further.

Posted by: mreillyminer | January 27, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

'Hi,

You my paycheck is huge so I'm excited about that. You know what's funny is that I get credit for the development of Matt Hasselback. Not just him though, the esteemed Seneca Wallace (currently the flag football mvp of the steel-worker all stars in Dubois, PA), yes THE SENECA WALLACE. Anyway, I get credit for Matt's development.

Amazing right?

One of the great offensive coaching minds is my boss, we have the best O-line in the league for years with Walter Jones and Hutchinson and company and, this is the best part, a running back that set a touchdown record and ran for 1600 yards a year. Tough situation for a QB right? Haha LOL! But, because I was on the staff, I get credit for his development! Never mind when he was in Green Bay working under Favre and their staff; it must have been me! JK, ROTFLLMAO!

This is really cool though. I'm the next Jason Garrett. I'm going to get paid a ton, waste a year while the team gets used to my 'scheme' and destroy a developmental year for JC. Maybe I can alienate some other skill guys...oh, it'll be awesome when I need the roster overhaul to save my own a$$ when my O produces a FG attempt in an NFC east matchup during our 5-11 shabingus. You guys are going to heart that!

Anyway, I am making a lot of money. So thanks again for that!'

What a joke. We are the laughingstock again.

I loathe snyder, dan.net

-ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 27, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

te, don't you have better things to do than calling out people at 8 am on sunday? do you have a family? shouldn't you be doing something with them?

Posted by: dealer | January 27, 2008 02:21 PM

dealer, It sounds like you've been getting nagging lessons from the same place my wife gets them. It's uncanny how much you two sound alike.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 27, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Ron Meeks is getting another interview!

Posted by: filmchis | January 27, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

f u zorn. West coast offense sucks. Who are we now the Eagles? I hate this team anymore.

Posted by: wdv1137 | January 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Many of you people are calling for boycotts, claim that you are going to sell your season tickets, and stop purchasing Redskin gear. In fact I would be shocked if ten people fail to renew their season tickets and every one of you adults will continue to go around dressing like fools in Redskin jerseys.

I'd give anything to hear what Gibbs thinks of Snyder. But since he is such a gentleman and Christian he won't ever speak badly of this guy. Someday someone will write a book about the time period that Snyder owned this football team. I think that you will be surprised to read about the meddling and backstabbing that goes on behind the scenes.

Posted by: MKadyman | January 27, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Us hiring Fassel is another Norv Turner move and i don't like it at all! We need a new OWNER A.S.A.P !

Posted by: crumville56 | January 27, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Forget about the Olympics, can we bring an actual professional football organziation to Washington? Even Al Davis laughs at Dan Snyder.

Posted by: dalinville | January 27, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I really do get ammusment from these boards. Now Dan Snyder paid alot of money for the franchise and he can hire anyone he wants to coach the team but I dont think this situation was handled very tactfully. Maybe Mr. Snyder and Greg Williams couldnt get along and hey those things happen in life but the way this has played out is making the franchise the dysfunctional laughing stock it was four years ago. That is the main part that bothers me, Joe Gibbs at least brought class and respect back to the franchise. To me as a fan Mr. Snyder needs to hire Russ Grimm. That would be the one move and hire that would calm the players down, calm the fans down, and would shut up the rest of the league that is laughing at all of this right now. Bring in Russ Grimm and I think all of us would be happy. I think he would bring some stability and he must have learned alot for Gibbs playing for him all those years. Hire Russ Grimm Mr. Snyder and lets move on to next year.

Posted by: hudginsc | January 27, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Hell Jim Zorn. Nothing personal, but if you came to this team under these circumstances, before a HC is named I question your judgement and will be pulling against you (Because you work for Dan) to lose every game.

I give you 1-2 years tops before the whole thing blows up again.

Former Redskins Fan 66-08

Posted by: chargersix | January 27, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Just adding my $.02.

Given how much the timing of Gibbs's departure sucked, and how badly Snyderrato have bungled the HC search so far, I don't think the Skins had any choice but to hire the coordinators first. By the time they got an HC in place, it would probably be too late to put together an organization. I don't think they made bad choices as to the coordinators.

Obviously, whoever takes the HC job is going to have be a "big picture" sort of guy and not someone who demands control over every aspect of the team. I'd be surprised if Fassel gets the job, personally, because I think he would have been hired already, fan reaction be darned.

Of course, Snyder has a tendency of "solving" problems by throwing piles of money at them. I'm sure this will end up just as well as everything else he's done now. But then, given the Skins' precarious salary cap situation, I think they were looking at some off-season bloodletting and a diminished record next year, even if the entire coaching staff returned.

Posted by: acoberst | January 27, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Danny boy still has his heart set on Bill Cowher, who has made no secret of his desire to sit it out one more year. Is is possible that Snyder's pool of personal integrity is so small that he would hire a expendable coaching staff to serve out the final year of the Cowher sabbatical, just to put up a zillion bucks to ensure he once again satisfies his self destructive habit of hiring the flashiest personality available? All of the personalities mentioned for the new staff are well traveled 'B' list that could be the next sacrificial Shottenheimer. Worst case scenario is that Fassel and Co actually make the Super Bowl and the Steel City Guru catches a playoff team in mid stride.

Posted by: wetlogik | January 27, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

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