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Zorn: There's no QB decision yet

Jim Zorn is speaking to the media now, discussing how the playcalling duties will be handled by Sherman Lewis, and he said he has not determined who will be his starting quarterback Monday night against Philadelphia. Zorn said the decision on the starter will be his and that Lewis will call plays from upstairs. He said it was "strongly suggested" to him by Vinny Cerrato, the executive vice-president of football operations, that he turn over the play-calling.

Zorn also said that Chris Samuels was still being evaluated, but that he has been ruled out of Monday's game against Philadelphia.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 19, 2009; 12:30 PM ET
 
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Well the good thing is it can't hurt, probably wont be much better but it can't hurt.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

So while Dan Snyder and his henchmen decide the immediate fate of Zorn this week, the offensive coaches will have an equal task on their hands in assessing the relative merits of Campbell and Collins.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Go back to Campbell because at least he can potentially run out of harm's way.

Posted by: kreitmaster | October 19, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Strongly suggested as in 'You're fired' if you don't turn over the play calling duties. Zorn is in a no-win situation and is a lame duck coach. The only question is whether he's fired after the Philly game or at the end of the season.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 19, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

No comment.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

If a change is made in the next day or so, I wouldn't be surprised to see Jerry Gray named as interim head coach. The wild-card pick would be special-teams coach Danny Smith -- just because everyone in the organization loves him. If Gray becomes the interim coach, Sherman Lewis would probably take over as the play-caller. Just another awful day all the way around for Redskins fans.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I can not, in 20 years, recall any NFL Head coach embarrassed and humiliated as much as Zorn must be by an owner. He should leave with some dignity intact.

Posted by: nabirum | October 19, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

For any player to be speaking about anything is ridiculous...I don't care how much chaos there is.

It was probably Carlos Rogers or Jason Campbell.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Will you over rule Sherm?

Zorn: No.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Snyder and other anti-Jason types choice for QB. See below:


Given his five-interception performance, we're tempted to look up the passer rating of young Mark Sanchez after the New York Jets' loss to the Buffalo Bills on Sunday.

8.3. Ouch.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I can not, in 20 years, recall any NFL Head coach embarrassed and humiliated as much as Zorn must be by an owner. He should leave with some dignity intact.

Posted by: nabirum | October 19, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Try when Snyder made Norv wait around to get fired!

...you did say 20 years right.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

What a disaster. To think this all could have been avoided if Vinny Cerrato had not gotten his hands on those incriminating pictures of Dan Snyder and Tom Cruise in that hotel room. The images must be horrifying. It's probably why his eyes are like that.
Of course that is the only reason he has been able to keep his job this long.

Posted by: timchadwick | October 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Zorn:

We only have 4 losses. We have a BRIGHT future..

Editor Note:

Eye Roll

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Their head coach has been undermined," said a longtime NFL executive who requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of commenting on another team's front office. "They've undermined their coaching staff in laying the blame on them. Now, the players are looking for leadership, and it's hard for the coaches to be leaders when they're being questioned on whether they're going to be there or not."

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Really? I thought that maybe posting a 2-4 record against the easiest schedule ever in NFL history, not being able to score more that one TD/ game, unimaginable poor play calling/clock management decisions, were reason's enough for the player's lack of confidence in the offensive staff.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I would not be shocked if we beat Philly this week.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Its almost entirely all about the OL Snidely. Something that you and Vinny completely failed to address. Who's fault is that?

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Question: We're you angry/Upset?

Zorn: I'm still trying to get over the game. I am angry for the loss and lack of production.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Zorn: We need change. It's me. It's Playcalling.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

so now we further handcuff the offense by having the plays called in from someone new sitting upstairs (which promises to include several delay of game penalties and repeated early use of timeouts)....at at time when we are trying to find some timing and pace in the offensive execution.

Brilliant.

Posted by: sunnyman1 | October 19, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Of course that is the only reason he has been able to keep his job this long.

Snyder has been the GM since Marty-ball ended. Vinny is just his henchman.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

It's not all on the O-line...Have some of you Einsteins thought it could actually be that we haven't had a top tier QB here since....

(crickets)

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

so now we further handcuff the offense by having the plays called in from someone new sitting upstairs (which promises to include several delay of game penalties and repeated early use of timeouts)....at at time when we are trying to find some timing and pace in the offensive execution.

Brilliant.

Posted by: sunnyman1 | October 19, 2009 12:43 PM |

Thats already happening so don't act like things have been working.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Question:

People around the league say Sherm isn't a great playcaller. Were you aware of that?

Zorn: No. You'd have to ask Vinnie.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Can Sherm Lewis play left tackle? Because that's what this offense needs to instill confidence.

Posted by: periculum | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah BENCH CAMPBELL...that's the solution, that will make the Redskins great and fix all their booboos. All you have to do is correct the QB position and by golly it's Superbowl, here we come.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 12:41 PM

Trade for Mike Vick! Trade for Mike Vick! Trade for Mike Vick! Only he can get Zorn out of the dog house.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

twis, NO KIDDING, I mean, did they watch the game?? We were playing what was at the time the WORST team in the league, and they out-gained us in the first half. How can you just sweep that under the rug??

Even I can get behind this 'change'...where is the harm, could they score LESS points?? I mean, if they put up a FG versus Philly, then yeah, I guess we went in the wrong direction....sigh....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Zorn: No. You'd have to ask Vinnie.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse


Best answer yet!

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

See I think the issue is not the big plays its the basic plays and sunday neither player could make the basic plays, we had no 10 yard passes, it was dump or deep.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

___________________

Kinda beside the point I was making (which is that Campbell has a knack for totally missing open WRs deep)... but I agree that the intermediate game is completely missing from this offense. And that might not be the QBs fault.

The only player who really produces regularly in that regard is Cooley. And I think that's in part due to the emphasis put on the big play heading into this season. If the big play isn't there, they dump it.

Seems to be by design, which is odd. It's supposed to be a west coast offense, but I rarely see a slant pattern..

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Sherm will activate MM and AA and let them play. It can't be any worse off than it is now. Should have spent that 100 mil on some of the O line FA talent last offseason. Oh well hind sight is always 20/20. Lookin back its still a bit fuzzy.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

'preciate the transcript, 4th.

Sounds like Zorn is trying to go Gibbsian with the "It's me" talk.

TOO LATE!

Buh-bye, Zorn Doofus

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Folks this just got much worse on two counts:

a. Zorn will now have lost more of his authority.
Players, Staff, Zorn himself all know Vinny has gotten Zorn one leg out of the door with this move.

b. Eagles were embarrassed yesterday by the RAY DES. Couldn't they have selected another week, not to show up?
They will be pumped now.
Next MNF will be ugly.
We are going to get killed!

It will be so embarrassing the entire game MNF crew will be talking about our FO inadequacy.
Zorn will be fired Tuesday morning.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 19, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

No comment.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 19, 2009 12:36 PM

You meant to say "I will have a comment once I fully understand the offensive terminology."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

If our O-line was healthy, we'd have a chance but...

(in my best mafia wiseguy voice)...we got not shot!

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Question:

People around the league say Sherm isn't a great playcaller. Were you aware of that?

Zorn: No. You'd have to ask Vinnie.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM

I like it! Zorn showing a little fire?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I can not, in 20 years, recall any NFL Head coach embarrassed and humiliated as much as Zorn must be by an owner. He should leave with some dignity intact.

Posted by: nabirum | October 19, 2009 12:37 PM

I take it that you don't have to work for a living? This is how the guy earns his paycheck.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

REDDMV - You're welcome.

I suggest everyone actually watch this thing when they upload it. It was funny in a non-funny way, IMHO.

I agree it's waaaay to late by a whole season to start taking blame after blaming player since last year's 2-6 stint.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Try when Snyder made Norv wait around to get fired!

...you did say 20 years right.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

_______________

Or leaving Mike Nolan's desk covered in melting vanilla ice cream. Not a head coach, but still...

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will be fired Tuesday morning.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 19, 2009 12:47 PM

...and he will always remember it as one of the best days of his life. He'll collect a paycheck for another 18 months for doing nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn fired himself!

Why in the world do you continue to throw fade passes to ARE?????


Why in the world do you continue to use ARE to return punts????


Posted by: rickyroge | October 19, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I posted this before and before I get shredded by a bunch of people let me throw in a *disclaimer* (not saying Brennan is the answer) here but why did we put Brennan on the PUP list so quickly??

Dont we have until week nine to declare players PUP?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Zorn is waiting for Cerrato to "strongly suggest" a starting QB to him.

Posted by: larryn703 | October 19, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

It really sucks watching all these other NFL teams put up big yardage and 20+ pts. Makes me wanna cut the TV off. Zorn's playcalling should of been stripped after game 1, his job title should of been stripped after game 2, and Vinnie should of been let go after game 3..of the 2006 season.

Posted by: ga8085 | October 19, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"Gee whiz golly I'm such a pussy"

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will be fired Tuesday morning.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 19, 2009 12:47 PM

...and he will always remember it as one of the best days of his life. He'll collect a paycheck for another 18 months for doing nothing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't think so. Going to get fired for cause. Not sure how it will work, but it's how the Raiders avoided paying Kiffin when he was fired.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I would not be shocked if we beat Philly this week.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 12:40 PM

If you ever are sentenced to be executed, ask for the electric chair because nothing can shock you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

People Zorn is waiting to get fired he would be stupid to quit.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I posted this before and before I get shredded by a bunch of people let me throw in a *disclaimer* (not saying Brennan is the answer) here but why did we put Brennan on the PUP list so quickly??

Dont we have until week nine to declare players PUP?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

________________

They probably put him on IR because he wasn't going to be ready until sometime late in the year... and hasn't really shown that he'd be ready for any kind of significant role anyway.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Oddsmakers have the Eagles a 7.5 favorite.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 19, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The unwillingness to try new guys in certain roles (ex Punt Return, KO Return) just boggles the mind. Why not a quick slant to DT or MK from the 10. Its depressing.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I wish Zorn would have told Vinny he would not be emasculated.
I wish Zorn would have said, "No, Vinny, I am the head coach and I will not be humiliated and forced to answer questions like this the rest of the season".

Go ahead Vinny, fire me now, because I'm not permitting you to emasculate me publicly.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | October 19, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

have no fear Redskin fans. Next year when BillJonMike Shanacowherholmgrengruden coaches the Redskins, they will be able to replace the departed Campbell at QB with either Sam (Ouch my Arm and Shoulder Hurts) Bradford, or Tim (Did I come back way too early from this concussion?) Tebow. Gosh, I feel better already. When does the 2010 season start?

Posted by: garyolney | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato probably didn't suggest anything to Zorn. Cerrato is just another fall guy for the little Nerd who runs this joke of a Team. Snyder needs to go back to playing Dungeons and Dragons while hiring a real Football executive to run this team.

Posted by: moseley_brian | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I know its small potatoes, but rock returning kicks just isn't cutting it anymore....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

We could sign Chase Daniel. Christ, he has to have a better upside then Collins or Campbell.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Funny how it is all of Zorn's fault according to Vinny, but he did nothing to address the line in the off season.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

dont discount it BEAN PR/KR can make a huge impact on a game and a change needs 2 be made

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

They've undermined their coaching staff in laying the blame on them."

JFC! What kind of genius is this guy? Please, tell me why Jim Zorn should not get the blame? Honestly. He coaches the QB, designs the plays, coaches the offense, and calls the plays. He should get the blame if it's not working.

What a maroon this guy is. Undermining coaches. BS dude. Zorn isn't being "undermined". The players seem to have some loyalty to him because he's not a total a$$ho1e who's throwing them under the bus to protect himself.

But I am pretty sure they have no confidence in his abilities as a coach.

Congrats to Redskins management. With the exception of Saint Joe.... all the coaches have been progressively worse.

Norv... I still spit after speaking his name. Hwwwak-Patooie!

Marty... I believe, the only coach in the history of the Universe to go 14-2 and get fired. For Norv! Frankly , Go F*&$! Yourself, Marty.

Steve... A better lip-flapper than NFL head coach. Kept dreaming of himself, weak-armed, slowfooted, short, Heisman Trophy winning QB making it big in the NFL. Danny Wuerful? YGBSM.

And finally, JZ. Affable guy who doesn't know his own limitations.

Please, take your time and get this one right.

If offensive guy, ask to see his voluminous playbook. You know, the one Henry Winkler got stolen in "The Waterboy". Make sure he's got it.

If former player, MAKE SURE he was a leader. Like Tomlin, or Singletary.

Stay away from the temptation to hire a big name out of college ball, or an assistant from a SB team, or a recently retired coach/GM.

Find somebody young who'd step over his own mother to get win football games. Preferrably never connected with the G-D Dallas Cowboys.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Zorn should have told Vinnie either I keep calling my plays or you fire me right here.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 19, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"By Sunday night, Lewis had replaced Zorn as the play-caller."

RI, the MAYOR

THIS JUST IN: from HMS Titanic, the bandleader has replaced the forward lookout, and tonight's lifeboat drill has been cancelled.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

We could sign Chase Daniel. Christ, he has to have a better upside then Collins or Campbell.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

We should. We are going to need someone to run for his life behind this line.

Hey guys we have a guy who was calling bingo 2 weeks ago running our offense! Maybe we can get his right hand man at the bingo parlor to coach quarterbacks.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Funny how it is all of Zorn's fault according to Vinny, but he did nothing to address the line in the off season.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 12:58 PM |

I'm thinking that the move to Sherm Lewis is Vinny's last desperate move to save his job.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I love players "commenting" their views on how the team should be run!! How about do your job better and win games? If you did that, it wouldn't be chaos!!

Posted by: Lacantwrite | October 19, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts for whatever they are worth:

Need to adjust offense and defense to make use of what talent you have and give some other players a chance to show what they can do.

Deactivate Thomas or Kelly. Combined stats over the last 3 games 4 receptions
Activate Marko Mitchell (nothing new on this suggestion)

Deactivate Mason and see what Aldridge can do as KO, PR and change-up back

I thought they were finally being creative starting the game with Smoot at FS and moving Landry and Horton near the line with Orakpo at DE. Again this utilizing your players at their best position. Not saying Smoot's best is FS, but having Landry closer to the line is a better use of his talent. It seemed to work out great on the first series, then they started going away from that formation. Obviously
you would change this up, but could become a very quick aggressive defense. Opposing teams would have to double Haynesworth and eventually Orakpo, leaving open a lot of different possibilities.

Don't have any suggestions for the OL. I do not think anybody does, but at least we can evaluate some other talent on others parts of the team

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 19, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

God help us if they start Todd Collins. The dude has no pocket awareness, no field awareness, no mobility, no arm, and no protection.

That safety at the end of the game was infuriating. He ran out, then BACK IN to the endzone. Is he retarded or something? Also the ONLY reason TC's qb rating was higher than JC's was because JC threw that Hail Mary at the half.

Heyer still looks like we grabbed some kid off the bench at the local pee wee football game and made him a starting NFL tackle.

Mike Williams was better than expected (not saying much, but still) in Pass Protection. I'd take him over Heyer at RT anyday. At least he offers SOMETHING. Heyer Can't pass block, can't run block, can't pickup the blitz, can't block a speed rush, can't block a bull rush, can't create a running OR passing lane, lacks the awareness to handle delayed blitzes and stunts, lacks explosiveness, lacks agility, and is simply put the worst tackle I have ever had the displeasure of watching play the game.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 19, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we can change the playbook to Bingo letter/numbers? That would help Lewis ease back into things.

Posted by: skinsfaninflorida | October 19, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Oddsmakers have the Eagles a 7.5 favorite.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 19, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

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At this point, I want to say that the Eagles will win by far more than that. Defense will keep it close in the 1st half, but they'll get worn out and eventually give up the big plays to Jackson, Westbrook and Maclin.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Tonight's game Denver +6 is tempting. After all, they are playing NORV's team.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The bright side: We can now focus on Zorny's decisions not to replace ARE at PR, Rock at KR, and not get MM into the game. So, we got THAT going for us.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Question: What draft picks do they have for the upcoming draft? Doesn't everyone want the team to tank the season so that they get a higher draft pick?

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will not be making any decisions so why even ask him who the starting QB will be next week he should have said ask Vinny

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Zorn should have told Vinnie either I keep calling my plays or you fire me right here.

Posted by: LouLewis | October 19, 2009 1:00 PM

That's how you get fired "for cause."

Love all these "principled" guys who want someone else to take a stand. You all quit when your boss asks you to do something you don't like, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Why can't JZ figure out who starts at QB?

Put TC in to provide a spark. No spark. Back to JC. Campbell is not the answer, but he's better than Collins. Should be a no-brainer.

Posted by: dpc2003 | October 19, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign Levi Jones. He can't be any worse than what we have.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Deactivate Thomas or Kelly. Combined stats over the last 3 games 4 receptions
Activate Marko Mitchell (nothing new on this suggestion)"

Good call, how many yards will Mitchell run for when he gets the ball thrown his way none times??

If you really think that Mitchell is going to change things, then I'm shocked and amazed that you can post here....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Zorn will still be in charge of who is active and who the starting QB is.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

WHAT I DID LIKE FROM YESTERDAY:

Smoooot @ FS. Letting LL30 playing closer to the line.

What happened to Horton? I hardly saw dude??

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Question: What draft picks do they have for the upcoming draft? Doesn't everyone want the team to tank the season so that they get a higher draft pick?

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

1st
2nd
4th
5th
7th

I'm hoping we take that left tackle out of Oklahoma State in the first and the left tackle from Texas in the second. We can then move BMW to right guard and hope for a center in the 4th. I wouldn't mind this line:

Russel Okung
Derrick Dockery
Casey Rabach/Matt Tennant
BMW
Adam Ulatoski

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

As if the Offensvie staff doesnt have enough work to do in a week with trying to devise a game plan, coach the players and all their other duties, they now have to help a 67 yr old bingo caller whose been out of the league for a few years, only actually called plays in 1 or 2 seasons and to mixed results...

Its about to get uglier on offense is my guess. I didnt think that was possible...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 19, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

BG: Its not this "one switch" its a long 10 year history. If you don't think this is a debacle, then you need to look up the word. Just fire the cat! Its a joke.

(I said this on last thread but got beeped: I think Snyder is a sadistic SOB who feels he has been embaressed by Zorn, thus since he is paying him either way he wants the enjoyment of seeing him squirm)

Agreed 4th, that Presser is some hilarity, the kind where I laugh so hard it turns to tears....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

What is the fascination with the Titanic all the sudden?

The movie came out over 10 years ago, and the ship sunk nearly 100 years ago.

I'm going to change the game and start doing Hindenburg metaphors regarding the 'skins...

"... anything else is just fighting over window seats on the Hindenburg."

Ha.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign Levi Jones. He can't be any worse than what we have.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:06 PM |

Oh, good, another short-term fix to a long-term problem.

Because he won't play for the vet min and he can only fill one hole on the line. If we sign him we'll have a record of 2-14. If we don't, we'll have a record of 2-14.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Question: What draft picks do they have for the upcoming draft? Doesn't everyone want the team to tank the season so that they get a higher draft pick?

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

________________

Whether they tank the season or not, this team will have a top 5 draft choice in next year's draft.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign Levi Jones. He can't be any worse than what we have.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:06 PM |

Oh, good, another short-term fix to a long-term problem.

Because he won't play for the vet min and he can only fill one hole on the line. If we sign him we'll have a record of 2-14. If we don't, we'll have a record of 2-14.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but do we just give up?

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Bean,

I gave you more credit than you deserve on this blog. Did I say anything about him making a big change? Read the whole post before you spout off. I said we needed to see what some other players could do. We are at a point in the season where everybody is being evaluated, and the Skins do not have the right talent in place to go beyond maybe a 6 win season, so why not?

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 19, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah BENCH CAMPBELL...that's the solution, that will make the Redskins great and fix all their booboos. All you have to do is correct the QB position and by golly it's Superbowl, here we come.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 12:41 PM

Trade for Mike Vick! Trade for Mike Vick! Trade for Mike Vick! Only he can get Zorn out of the dog house.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

All In!!! Vick is the only qb that can do something with this JV line. Heyer, Williams, Montgomery, C'mon man!!!

Posted by: bhoang888 | October 19, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I suppose it isn't in his immediate interest to do so (financially), but I would have loved for Zorn to walk up to the podium, and declare:

"Yeah, it's my fault, it's on me....OH BULL-SH*T. This is ridiculous. I quit, effectively immediately. Let somebody else try and run this circus."

*walks off podium*

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Flounder you are joking right? They "strongly suggested" Zorn give up play calling assuming he wouldnt stand for it and quit. He didnt they have stripped him of the duties he was originally brought in here to perform. They brought in a guy who is 67 and was calling BINGO! 2 weeks ago and handed him Zorns job. Sherm will decide who is starting not Zorn. Zorn is simply digging his heels in and waiting to be dismissed so that he can get paid.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but do we just give up?

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:11 PM

I think it's called "playing out the string" but it's just starting earlier. We should be playing young guys to see who is worth keeping and who's not. But there aren't any guys out on the scrap pile who can turn the season around.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Now that the new Sherman will be calling plays, I'm sure the "most talented team in the league" will light up the Eagles Monday night. I think Portis has a bright future in front of him as full time GM of the Redskins, his talent evaluation skills fit right in with Snyders.

Posted by: james808d | October 19, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I say AGAIN GET RID OF EVERYONE AT REDSKIN PARK EXCEPT COOLEY,AH,AND ORAKPO

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse


Question: What draft picks do they have for the upcoming draft? Doesn't everyone want the team to tank the season so that they get a higher draft pick?

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

________________

Whether they tank the season or not, this team will have a top 5 draft choice in next year's draft.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I dont like to feel this way, but I hope they do tank the season. Not so that they get a higher draft pick. Because at this point, Vinny is still employed. And if he is still with this team next year then the high draft pick probably wont matter because he'll f&^% it up. The only way Vinny is gone along with Zorn at seaons end is if this keeps going the way its going. And that would be South faster than a $20 hooker.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 19, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

At this point, the worst thing that could happen is for this team to make it to 8-8. It would only encourage those dummies in management to believe we are "a few players away", when we need to nuke this thing.

4-12 is more likely, and though very painful to watch, will force even Snyder to make changes at the top, which means ditching VC.

We can only hope.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

thats the problem the gameplan, this is gobbs 2.0 offense all the passes are outside the numbers. how many times have we exploited the middle of the field.
Almost every other team in the league runs some type of post over the middle of slant to keep the defense honest. but we dont, we run, a go route, a comeback, a drag route with ARE, a comeback with Cooley, or a dump off to the rb.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | October 19, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I say AGAIN GET RID OF EVERYONE AT REDSKIN PARK EXCEPT COOLEY,AH,AND ORAKPO

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 1:16 PM


^ And I say again, you are retarded.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 19, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I suppose it isn't in his immediate interest to do so (financially), but I would have loved for Zorn to walk up to the podium, and declare:

"Yeah, it's my fault, it's on me....OH BULL-SH*T. This is ridiculous. I quit, effectively immediately. Let somebody else try and run this circus."

*walks off podium*

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2009 1:13 PM

Zorn doesn't need to do anything except act classy -- take the high road. Everyone knows what's going on with this franchise. Snyder's not fooling anyone. He's a laughing stock. Even Peter King this morning was warning Gruden to think twice before he gets involved with Snyder.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I like Zorn, but I kind of hope they fire him after the Eagles game to relieve him of the embarrassment and after we continue to lose it will look bad on Vinny. That's when we need to protest Vinny as much as possible and it would be nice if no one went to the games (thats not going to happen though). Until Snyder loses confidence in Vinny, we are going to keep getting lame duck coaches here and will keep spinning our wheels. What will happen is they will hire a coach we all like to get our hopes up and 4 years later we will be in the same position.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Ecale not agreeing with DQ here but who would you keep?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is a vindictive dude, if he is going to have to pay Zorn anyway, he's rather get some sadistic enjoyment out of it by seeing him twist in the wind.


Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 12:43 PM

I totally agree with you here.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Oddsmakers have the Eagles a 7.5 favorite

Correction: Eagles a 7*5 favorite.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 19, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

te, but what if we signed Levi, and did a chant?? did you ever think about that??

1966, what difference does it make?? Thomas, Kelly, and Moss got 2 passes thrown their way yesterday. So when they throw a pass to Mitchell, MAYBE, and he gains 15 yards and doesn't get ANOTHER pass the rest of the game, what then??

help me understand what I'm missing with your logic??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Even if the Skins go 3-13 or 4-12, you have to remember that there are a lot of bad teams this year. Tampa, St. Louis, Detoit, KC, (man these teams seem familiar) may end up with worse records than us. Throw in Oakland and we may not pick until 6 or 7. I hope one of the good tackles are left by then.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

TE,

you are correct, we all know...but I'd still like to see it!

At this point, I'm very curious about what happens against the Eagles. I mean, they may be zombies in this upcoming game. Would it really surprise anyone?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Question:

People around the league say Sherm isn't a great playcaller. Were you aware of that?

Zorn: No. You'd have to ask Vinnie.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I can't see the presser... Did that really happen?!?!

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to change the game and start doing Hindenburg metaphors regarding the 'skins...

"... anything else is just fighting over window seats on the Hindenburg."

Ha.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 1:09 PM

RedDMV is edu-ma-cated?

Ha!

(Kid...I kid)

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said that the process of putting in a game plan won't change. After the coaching staff puts together the plan, if I were Sherm Lewis, I'd go to whomever the QB is and say..

"Look this is what Zorn has in mind for red zone and third down pass plays. Which plays are you most comfortable with?"

I'd then go to Zorn and say..

"Look I'm most likely going to call these plays in this situation, so let's practice the hell out of them this week.."

That way Lewis will have the wording down of the plays he wants to run. The QB will have confidence in those plays because of practice. Hopefully, it'd lead to better execution in those critical areas.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Flounder you are joking right? They "strongly suggested" Zorn give up play calling assuming he wouldnt stand for it and quit. He didnt they have stripped him of the duties he was originally brought in here to perform. They brought in a guy who is 67 and was calling BINGO! 2 weeks ago and handed him Zorns job. Sherm will decide who is starting not Zorn. Zorn is simply digging his heels in and waiting to be dismissed so that he can get paid.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:14 PM |

What am I joking about, if Zorn quits he gets no more money, if he gets fired he gets paid for the rest of this year and next.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but do we just give up?

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:11 PM

I think it's called "playing out the string" but it's just starting earlier. We should be playing young guys to see who is worth keeping and who's not. But there aren't any guys out on the scrap pile who can turn the season around.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Problem is we have no young guys that can play on the O-line because Vinny did not draft any.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk and Theismann both said that having Sherman Lewis run plays is the absolute worst idea at this point in the season. He has been here 2 weeks -- he doesn't know the specific system Zorn is running and doesn't know the roster, etc. It will backfire. If they wanted to give the playcalling to someone else, give it to Sherman Smith. Unbelievable...

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - what about:

"Everything else is just a battery box on a helium balloon"?

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I truly hope that the 'Skins manage to somehow when 6 or 7 games this year; if they have a top 3 pick, the Idiot Duo will get all starry eyed and pick some glamor player that we don't need and they MIGHT remember to draft one O-lineman in say, the 6th round.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Bench,

I didn't finish your post before I responded, I was just going off what Zorn said at the presser he said he will still decide those things.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 19, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

JFC! What kind of genius is this guy? Please, tell me why Jim Zorn should not get the blame? Honestly. He coaches the QB, designs the plays, coaches the offense, and calls the plays. He should get the blame if it's not working.

-------------------------------------

umm..not if you don't have an offensive line worth a hill of beans. That's not Zorn's fault, but that sure is the main reason this team sucks. Remember, we can thank Joe Gibbs for bringing in Jason C. Another wasted high pick by this org.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 19, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least a Sherman is calling the plays now, as it should be.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 19, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

te, but what if we signed Levi, and did a chant?? did you ever think about that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:20 PM

Ah, my friend, three words: Apples & Oranges. Okay, two words and a symbol.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I keep seeing people tossing around a record of 4-12 for the year ... how in the world is this team going to beat two of the following:

Eagles (x2), Falcons, Broncos, Dallas (x2), Saints, Raiders, Giants, and Chargers?

It will be a struggle to get to 3-13. We'll have to hope the Raiders regress between now and Dec 13th so we can get that 3rd win.

Posted by: james808d | October 19, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Zorn knew he wasn't qualified when he took the job. He should have admitted that he wasn't ready and just accepted the O Coordinator job. I wish ppl would stop feeling sorry for the guy. He's part of the problem this year.

That having been said, neither Coryell/Fouts nor Walsh/Montana would have been able to do anything with the talent on this roster. That is Cerrato's fault. Ultimately, because they were both hired buy (get it) Dan, he's to blame.

We can sum up the team problems pretty easily...

O line can't pass block

Everything else flows from there.

1. If the O Line can't pass block, you have to try to rely on the run.

2. Subsequently, teams stack the box and force you to pass.

3. The box is stacked and teams are bringing heat. No time to throw. Collins and Jason are both poor when given no time to throw (as are most QB's)

4. The receivers are average at best. Moss is more of a slot guy...a poor man's Welker. ARE is a 4th guy on a good team. The youngsters might be good but with no time to throw we'll never know.

5. With no offense, our field position is terrible and our defense gets no rest. The defense is solid but plays the game with no help.

The only solution is to draft 3 or 4 O-linemen and sign the 2 best FA O-linemen out there.

Also, why in the heck is Orakpo playing linebacker? Stupid stupid move.

Posted by: original_mark | October 19, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

THERE ISN'T ONE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM THAT HAS DONE ANYTHING TO MAKE THEM UNTOUCHABLE

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Flound I was asking if you believe that Zorn will be making any decisions the rest of the year. It will be strange to watch Zorn standing on the sideline without a clipboard like a statue. I mean what is he even going to be doing at this point?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Problem is we have no young guys that can play on the O-line because Vinny did not draft any.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:22 PM

Sign 'em off other teams' practice squads.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I hear you, but do we just give up?


Posted by: Redskins001 | October 19, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, pretty much. We certainly don't want to trade away any draft picks or sign anymore stop gap players. We aren't 1 or 2 players away. At this point it makes no sense to sign free agents. You only do that when you are ready to make a run. We need to just limp through the year and draft some offensive linemen. We have a good young of core players that we can build around. We just need to keep building. I'd say we are 2-3 years away from making a serious run if we continue to build and don't do anything stupid. Any competent team can turn around after a few years. Too bad we're not competent. We'll probably sign Levi Jones and draft Tim Tebow. Then we can spend another 5 years in mediocrity.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You know, I can agree with the people who say it's not all on one person. I am not naive enough to think replacing JC is going to fix all of the woes on offense - but it is a start. It sends a message. If Mike Sellers misses one more block, I would make an example of him as well. Sellers is better than that.

There's an old quote in the coaching world that goes something like this, "you don't practice until you get it right, you practice until you cannot get it wrong". I was thinking of this yesterday as ARE muffed a punt, Sellers missed a block, K. Moore had a facemask penalty, Campbell throws the long pass to DT out of bounds... How does Zorn address these errors? I think the answer to that question is why the Redskins are backsliding.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

te, sign levi, do a chant, and boycott the games....what about that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Now I understand why Snyder/Vinny couldn't hire Gregg Williams.

Snyder/Vinny: So, Gregg, suppose things aren't working out on the field, and I feel the need to bring in an "extra set of eyes"?

Grilliams: What the hell kind of question is that? I'm interviewing for Head Coach, right?

Snyder/Vinny: Oooo-kaaay. Suppose you really want to draft someone for our depleted O-line, but Vinny's got a TE rated slightly higher on the draft board? You know we always take the highest rated player on our draft board!

Grilliams: You guys are really starting to piss me off! How about I come back in later for a 4th interview after I cool down!!?

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I can't see the presser... Did that really happen?!?!

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 1:21 PM

yup....

No comments about Smooot @ FS? What happen to last year darling Horton? Should Doughty get that many defensive snaps on defense when not blitzing? Cuz he lacks in pass defense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

We could sign Chase Daniel. Christ, he has to have a better upside then Collins or Campbell.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

New Orleans already signed him. Man, he and Brunnell could very well be sporting Super Bowl rings by this time next year. They can put them on their middle fingers and show them to Danny.

Posted by: stwasm | October 19, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

THERE ISN'T ONE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM THAT HAS DONE ANYTHING TO MAKE THEM UNTOUCHABLE

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 1:26 PM

This is so wrong. They signed big, guaranteed contracts. This isn't COSTCO. We bought 'em and we can't return 'em.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Boycott Danny Boy's sad sack organization. Hit him in the wallet.

Posted by: neversaylie | October 19, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Well said TE we are stuck with these guys. So the question is now what?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

THERE ISN'T ONE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM THAT HAS DONE ANYTHING TO MAKE THEM UNTOUCHABLE

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Suisham hasn't missed any field goals.

Posted by: stwasm | October 19, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

te, sign levi, do a chant, and boycott the games....what about that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:27 PM

Have to mail all your jerseys, hats, and window pennants back or it won't even register.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

didn't get to watch the game, but if/when Rhino is healthy again, should he replace montgomery?? also how did MWilliams fare at rt??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Bean,
I have a hard time understanding your logic
My logic is why not? A least we see that Moss is open sometimes. I read other commentary from supposedly expert writers that Thomas and Kelly are still running too short, wrong and or incorrect patterns, so do we really know if they are even open to throw to. So again my logic is why not? How long do we go before we start looking at the players we have for next year in game environment. He may not do any better as well as Aldridge, but lets give them a chance so we can see.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 19, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I truly hope that the 'Skins manage to somehow when 6 or 7 games this year; if they have a top 3 pick, the Idiot Duo will get all starry eyed and pick some glamor player that we don't need and they MIGHT remember to draft one O-lineman in say, the 6th round.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse


If that happens, this FO willl still get starry eyed and trade away the picks that they have to move up to get some glamor player we don't need. Better to waste one pick that 3.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 1:26 PM

This is so wrong. They signed big, guaranteed contracts. This isn't COSTCO. We bought 'em and we can't return 'em.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

_________________

In an uncapped year, which is looking inevitable... they can unload a lot of under performing contracts and absorb Chris Samuels' retirement. Would be a perfect time to do it if that's what they decide to do.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News: In a show of support, Vinny Cerrato has announced that Coach Zorn will be making all of the calls for the cheerleading squad for the rest of the year, effective immediately.

Posted by: james808d | October 19, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Well said TE we are stuck with these guys. So the question is now what?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:31 PM

"When you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I have been a life long Skins fan, and seen some God awful teams in the past few years, but this is the worst.

I literally felt sick yesterday watching that game.What made it worse is when KC kicked that field goal to make it 9-6 I knew it was over, call it.

The HC is embarrasing, he looked like he wanted to cry at the presser yesterday. He is being humiliated, and he is not totally to blame.

Snyder and his domestic partner have ruined this team. My father and I have season tickets,and this is the first time I just have not wanted to go. The games are beyond embarrasing , they are hard to watch.

Now Danny is not selling tickets, so it hits him where it hurts. I still love my Redskins, but something has to change.

Like my parents use to say,"I'm not mad, I'm disappointed"

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 19, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I'll try and make it simple.

How many passes went in the direction of Moss/Thomas/Kelly yesterday??

Answer 2.

The offensive scheme is broken, no one gets more than 2 balls thrown to them not named cooley.

So, in closing, unless MMitchell can score a 28 point touchdown, it matters NOT....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

We arent winning the Super Bowl. The time is now get these young guys out there whats the worst that can happen we lose!? Start looking at contracts and I dont mean restructure them decide when we can get out of the mess we have created. Trim fat where we can give the young guys a shot. Dont give away any picks...

I know it is painful to watch us get crushed but bringing in a free agent lineman isnt going to solve our problems. Free agent signing involve offering guys contracts that we cant afford.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

J Reid during the presser (i just got back for the last 2 questions)"Are you aware Sherman Lewis does not have a good reputation as a play caller?"

Zorn "I was not aware of that"

J Reid " Was Vinny aware?"

Zorn "Thats a question for Vinny"

Damn. Now me sad again.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Interesting note [well, to me, anyway]... listening to Kornheiser show on the way in...he was in Snyder's suite for the game yesterday.
Said at halftime, fans started chanting "Sell the team" towards the owner's box, and that everyone inside the box was "stunned."
Takes me back to what George Michael said a few weeks ago...that Snyder "still doesn't get it."

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk and Theismann both said that having Sherman Lewis run plays is the absolute worst idea at this point in the season. He has been here 2 weeks -- he doesn't know the specific system Zorn is running and doesn't know the roster, etc. It will backfire. If they wanted to give the playcalling to someone else, give it to Sherman Smith. Unbelievable...

Posted by: mattylight | October 19, 2009 1:22 PM

No kidding, Lewis and Zorn should have lots of fun developing a game plan together this week. Talk about a strange working environment.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"It's not all on the O-line...Have some of you Einsteins thought it could actually be that we haven't had a top tier QB here since....

(crickets)
"


We haven't had a top tier quarterback since Sonny. We won three superbowls with mediocre QBs.

Posted by: hackeynut | October 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Like my parents use to say,"I'm not mad, I'm disappointed"

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 19, 2009 1:37 PM

My dad said that too. Then he whipped me with his belt. I think he really was mad. In more ways than one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

umm..not if you don't have an offensive line worth a hill of beans. That's not Zorn's fault, but that sure is the main reason this team sucks. Remember, we can thank Joe Gibbs for bringing in Jason C. Another wasted high pick by this org.

Posted by: cstanton1 | October 19, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

JC wasn't a wasted pick. Gibbs builds a certain kind of offense. That usually involves a great offensive line, great running back, and a mediocre QB and some kind of a coryell tree scheme. The front office failed to build the rest of it. If we wanted to switch to a WCO we should have dumped JC 2 years ago. He isn't a WCO QB. He has a slow release and a slow read progression. Making him play in this scheme is as dumb as putting orakpo at LB or LL at free safety. We also have Moss as our primary receiver. It's all wrong. It's like someone heard a buzzword and said I want that without actually making any effort to make it work.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

What they should do is wait until there is a stiff offshore breeze blowing and then load balloon boy and his fambly, Jon & Kate & Eight and Danny, Vinny and Zorny in a balloon and say buh bye to the forkin sorry azz lot.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 19, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I would not be shocked if we beat Philly this week.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17
++++++

I wouldn't have been shocked - if the sky hadn't fallen - if Campbell hadn't been benched and Zorn demoted. But now with all those distractions and Philly coming off a lousy game, I WOULD be completely shocked if we won. Because good, well managed, well coached teams with players that give a damn actually respond to ugly losses. So the eagles are gonna bring it, and the failskins are going to whimper and take it.

Sorry I'm trying to emotionally disengage from the redskins for the rest of the season and it's not going very smoothly.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

If that happens, this FO willl still get starry eyed and trade away the picks that they have to move up to get some glamor player we don't need. Better to waste one pick that 3.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Sigh - you're right

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 19, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

This season will make a SB win sooo much more gratafying in a few years.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

So, in closing, unless MMitchell can score a 28 point touchdown, it matters NOT....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:38 PM

No but it'd be worthwhile to get some playing time for the rookie and other young guys in what looks like a lost season.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Ecale not agreeing with DQ here but who would you keep?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:19 PM

I would keep most (Carter is expendable with Jarmon and Orakpo IMO, Wynn is useless) of the D. Line (P. Daniels should be the strength and conditioning coach, seriously). I would Keep Fletch, Blades, R. Mac., C. Wilson, Doughty, Horton, Landry (only at SS though, and teach his dumb ass how to tackle PLEASE), K. Moore, C. Rogers, J. Tryon, D. Hall (This pains me to say too, because he is a mediocre cover corner. If D.Hall could tackle I'd use him as the Umbrella FS instead of Landry). I'd keep Barnes because, well, I don't know what he is capable of. Smoot is expendable, but his ability to play FS is promising. I could go either way on him.

I would keep DT and Marko Mitchell (DT had his man beat by several yards on a deep fade yesterday but the ball was overthrown, he was not thrown another pass all day, Mitchell has not gotten any playing time so I still reserve judgement). I would demote Moss to #2 receiver. I would kneecap M. Kelly and dump him in a retirement home parking lot with a wheelchair and a six-pack of applesauce. ARE is traded to all Davis for a package of depends and M. Kelly's applesauce.

I would keep Dockery and BMW. Cooley and Fred Davis. I would slice Heyer's head off with a poster of the Hogs. Rabach, R.Thomas, C. Samuels all get cut.

This pains me to say, but I would cut Portis. He still has the ability, but I don't think we can afford his salary any longer. Aldridge and Betts all go with him. Mason stays for now... Honestly, running backs are a dime a dozen.

Mike Sellers is shown the door. His play this year has been abysmal.

JC minds the team until the other pieces are in place, or we can find something better on the cheap. Todd Collins gets put out of his misery. Chase Daniels gets another shot to make our roster. Brennen gets a good look at the unemployment line.

Hunter the Punter stays.

Suisham is shot execution style at the point on the field he missed the game winning field goal from in the playoffs.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 19, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

This season will make a SB win sooo much more gratafying in a few years.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Just like my missing out on Friday's $200M Mega Millions will make my winning it next month that much sweeter.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

original_mark,
I agree with getting some free agents in to audition: there's got to be someone who can help block somewhere out there, but if the offensive line cannot block, you make adjustments. Use seven offensive linemen: go jumbo every play. Use trickery to slow down the pass rush: wild cat, counter trey, reverse, etc. Use an unbalanced line. My point is, the Redskins are not the first team to have suspect tackles, but other teams have found a way to overcome this, so why can't the Redskins? BTW, the whole offensive line is not bad. Rabach and Dockery are doing okay. I thought Rhinehart did okay when he played, and I think Montgomery was fair yesterday. The problem on the offensive line is at tackle. In a two tight end set you can get a chip on a pass rusher to slow him down. In theory, you can do this with a full back and tight end, but Sellers has been a little shaky blocking recently.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 19, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

PA: Agree about Campbell. He would be fine in Gibbs scheme. Hand the ball off 70% of the time, play action - super arm it down field. He's just not the guy for WCO. It's VC's fault for deciding to change the whole system with the wrong personnel.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

We haven't had a top tier quarterback since Sonny. We won three superbowls with mediocre QBs.

Posted by: hackeynut | October 19, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

________

Theismann wasn't elite, but he was definitely better than mediocre.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Yep, 4th.

Got a PhD from U.A. Bama U(niversity).

Ryp, works just about the same.

Or...

"... anything else is just asking for a troop surge."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

REX- EXACTAMONDO!

Square player in a round system.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 19, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Bean,

Let me make it even more simple for you. Obviously you have never coached or played any sports and if you did you must not of been very good with the approach you are taking. Cooley is thrown to because he is open, so unless you can offer some proof that Thomas and Kelly are open, please do not make an argument that you have no basis for. You need to have someone teach you about logic.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 19, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This season will make a SB win sooo much more gratafying in a few years.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse


Its just too bad our grandchildren will be dead by then.

Posted by: hackeynut | October 19, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Interesting note [well, to me, anyway]... listening to Kornheiser show on the way in...he was in Snyder's suite for the game yesterday.
Said at halftime, fans started chanting "Sell the team" towards the owner's box, and that everyone inside the box was "stunned."
Takes me back to what George Michael said a few weeks ago...that Snyder "still doesn't get it."

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 1:39 PM

What happened next? Did he expound?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I think you trade Fred Davis while you still can. If he lays dormant on this roster for too much longer people will forget dude was a beast in college and quite frankly we dont need him...

If we can get a 3rd rounder for him do it! We need to gather as many picks as possible for next years draft.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

PA: Agree about Campbell. He would be fine in Gibbs scheme. Hand the ball off 70% of the time, play action - super arm it down field. He's just not the guy for WCO. It's VC's fault for deciding to change the whole system with the wrong personnel.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

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He's not even a good fit for Gibbs' offense because he can't hit the wide open WRs deep down field. Unless he has a stationary target, he struggles with his accuracy.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

ASSUMING NEXT SEASON IS AN UN-CAPPED YEAR WHY HOLD ON TO PLAYERS WHO HAVE NOT PRODUCED AND OR ON THE DOWNSIDE OF THEIR CAREERS.I LIKE FLETCHER BUT HE IS 34/35!JUST PAY THE GUARANTEED MONIES AND SHOW THEM THE DOOR

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

For those of you talking about bringing in FA lineman before the trade deadline: get your heads out of the clouds. The season is over, wake up. We're not going to win the division, or a wild card spot. So what's the point in paying money for free agent lineman. It's not like any that are available will be that much better than what we've got. We should just use the rest of the season to let our young, crappy, inexperienced OL play. Because maybe if we're lucky, one or two of them will actually get better from the experience. But we'd never know that if we just replaced them with a tired half-decent vet free agent who's a couple years from retirement or perennial injury like Samules.

Now is a perfect time to find out what our young players can do with complete disregard to our record, not a time to try to salvage a 7-9 season non-playoff season.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I cant wait to see how Portis runs in the 2014 season!!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Funny how it is all of Zorn's fault according to Vinny, but he did nothing to address the line in the off season.

Posted by: Redskins001

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but it’s funny how, I mean funny like it’s a clown, it amuses you? It makes you laugh? The line is here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How is it funny?

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Is this another bone head move by the skins?? Bring in a guy who haven't called plays in 4-5 yrs. Then what is Sherman Smith here for??

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 19, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

we now have a guy calling plays who has only been here for TWO WEEKS!

I love it!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | October 19, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"... anything else is just playing Russian roulette with non-revolving handgun."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys. It's Misery Monday and I know misery loves company. But...Should we all be drowning in all this?

On another note, I just watch DHall get interviewed today, and all the questions were about the offense.

And he said he didn't know about the playcall change. Why would he?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

66, I've moved on, talk to me when a real coach, with a real plan on offense gets here....until then keep working on mitchell and that 28 point catch.......its amazing you can tell my athletic ability from how I write on a blog....simply mind-boggling...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Theismann wasn't elite, but he was definitely better than mediocre.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse


Thats fair. That being said, I'm not sure that JC isn't as good as some of the QBs that won Superbowls for us. If he was throwing to the Posse, handing off to Byner and standing behind the Hogs...

Posted by: hackeynut | October 19, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Is this another bone head move by the skins?? Bring in a guy who haven't called plays in 4-5 yrs. Then what is Sherman Smith here for??

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 19, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

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Sherman Smith hasn't ever called plays in his NFL coaching career. Not really sure what he does to be honest.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Snyder to rest of world: "It's not me, it's you."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

All this drama make me miss SEAN TAYLOR RIP #21 even more...

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 19, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Thats fair. That being said, I'm not sure that JC isn't as good as some of the QBs that won Superbowls for us. If he was throwing to the Posse, handing off to Byner and standing behind the Hogs...

Posted by: hackeynut | October 19, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

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Doug Williams and Mark Rypien had something that Campbell doesn't, and that's the ability to hit open WRs deep down field. You could give Campbell a 10 mississippi rush with "the posse" to throw to, and he'd never be as accurate down field as Rypien was in 1991.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

After all is said and done, I still like Zorn.

He would have made a superb QB coach with Gregg Williams as the head coach.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

J Reid is such a noob. He posts comments quibbling about whether Sherman Lewis is going to be good enough as a play caller. Dude - you could make Jesus Christ your play caller and the Skins would still be 3-13 or 4-12. Let's hope it is 3-13 and Sam Bradford's shoulder heals.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 19, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else want to see a skill position starting offense Monday Night of Moss, Mitchell, Cooley, Davis, Collins, and Mason with Alridge as the primary backup and 3rd down back? on Teams DT11 returning kicks and Alridge returning punts?

......I do.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

He's not even a good fit for Gibbs' offense because he can't hit the wide open WRs deep down field. Unless he has a stationary target, he struggles with his accuracy.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure if he wasn't practicing these stupid 4 yards passes in practice all day his deep ball would be a little better. He has hit those long passes at least several times this year. He hits Cooley on a deep cross route every couple games and he has hit moss in stride a few times this year. He doesn't have the best accuracy but he isn't terrible.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"...anything else is WR/TE/WR"

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith hasn't ever called plays in his NFL coaching career. Not really sure what he does to be honest.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

So, why not give him a chance. It's better to me then somebody off the street.

I can't believe Snyder going to let V make another decision on this team.

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 19, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you zjfr2

Posted by: dqhec | October 19, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Dude - you could make Jesus Christ your play caller and the Skins would still be 3-13 or 4-12. Let's hope it is 3-13 and Sam Bradford's shoulder heals."

Posted by: ElDrano


Wrong.

For many reasons.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I am 100% disgusted!!! We have to make changes organizationally! The Skins have a team that is mismatched. The players and the scheme don't fit! The energy level on offense is awful! You have to play this game with passion! Fear must be maintained in the locker room--(see Coughlin in NY) if not the Empire is doomed. Snyder wants to be the Mark Cuban of Football. Buddy/Buddy with the players but, that doesn't work in sports. Ask Mark Cuban. The coach has to have full reign of the locker room and because he doesn't the Empire is doomed.

Second- Haters-- I am so glad that we saw that the problem was not JC. I think Zorn is a good man, but he is in a pickle of a situation.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | October 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Heyer Can't pass block, can't run block, can't pickup the blitz, can't block a speed rush, can't block a bull rush, can't create a running OR passing lane, lacks the awareness to handle delayed blitzes and stunts, lacks explosiveness, lacks agility, and is simply put the worst tackle I have ever had the displeasure of watching play the game.

Posted by: ecale25 |

He's no day at the beach, granted, but I think this post means one of two things. Either you don't watch much football, or Heyer nailed your girlfriend.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

All this doom and gloom. We are 2-4. We can finish 12-4 and win the East. Now get to work!

Posted by: joinnow | October 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

All this doom and gloom. We are 2-4. We can finish 12-4 and win the East. Now get to work!

Posted by: joinnow | October 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree!!!!

Go Skins!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 19, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Once again a lot of this blame has to go to Snyderatto. I mean they were the one's that did a "thorough" head coach interview process and felt Zorn was able to handle head coaching duties.

They are awesome talent evaluators when it comes to coaches too! I don't blame Zorn for taking the job but not sure how Snyderatto felt this guy would be the second coming of Joe Gibbs. The coaching stinks to high heaven, but just remember who made the executive decision to bring Zorn from QB coach to head coach in 0 to 60. As they continue to emasculate Zorn on a daily basis I wonder how they think this will help in landing a future head coach.

Posted by: dwninit71 | October 19, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I read a lot of quotes from the players about some of the players not trying hard enough or not being the right players. Who do you think they are specifically referring to? It can't all just be about Thomas and Kelly.

Posted by: Dchpacer | October 19, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

How long is Colt's contract? I haven't even heard it mentioned that next year we might not resign JC AND might not draft a QB, but rather give the season to Colt and draft a line. That seems to me the most likely course of action, given how fondly VC feels about JC.

Posted by: REXskins | October 19, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

What happened next?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 1:49 PM

I pulled into the garage, found a parking space, and came to work...

Posted by: 4-12 | October 19, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else want to see a skill position starting offense Monday Night of Moss, Mitchell, Cooley, Davis, Collins, and Mason with Alridge as the primary backup and 3rd down back? on Teams DT11 returning kicks and Alridge returning punts?

......I do.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 1:59 PM


No. Collins? Really? Still Trying to keep the Titanic from sinking by bailing water with a sieve I see.

"Dude - you could make Jesus Christ your play caller and the Skins would still be 3-13 or 4-12. Let's hope it is 3-13 and Sam Bradford's shoulder heals."

Posted by: ElDrano


Dear...God... No!

Posted by: ecale25 | October 19, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

um, hackeynut I will take Doug Williams and Rypien anytime over JC. Wow.

I don't get denigrating our past players who were winners. Of course they had good teams, and maybe a JC type player would have been better on those teams....but I don't get knocking some skins legends in the process.

Also I love "up here" how a QB is either "elite" or "barely mediocre" seems to me there is a spectrum between the two, its not either your Peyton Manning or John Friese....

Theisman was a very good, elite for a short time QB

Rypien, somewhat a system guy but with huge upsides who was an over achiever and improved from year to year. I mean in was the same team basically in 89 when he was benched as in 91 when they were like, one of the best teams of all time. Sue me if I think he might have been a part of that and not along for the ride.

Williams: You forget his time with Tampa. First dude to even muscle that team to the playoffs. That was no small feat. Also you are obviously better than mediocre when you come up huge in big games.....

Whateves I guess....I just love those dudes, sniffle....the good ole' days.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure if he wasn't practicing these stupid 4 yards passes in practice all day his deep ball would be a little better. He has hit those long passes at least several I'm sure if he wasn't practicing these stupid 4 yards passes in practice all day his deep ball would be a little better. He has hit those long passes at least several times this year. He hits Cooley on a deep cross route every couple games and he has hit moss in stride a few times this year. He doesn't have the best accuracy but he isn't terrible.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

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I'm starting to wonder if we watch a different QB in parallel universes on Sunday. Campbell is consistently off target down field. It's frustrating to watch him miss wide open targets. To me, he's pretty terrible in that regard.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Seems the Clown Master has once again exhibited his incompetence! If he doesn't have the bollecks to admit his responsibility in this pathetic circus, who will, and where do they go from here? Obviously the Skins are the laughing stock of the league; but it goes a lot deeper that JZ. Forgive my rambling, but I'm at my wits end trying to rationalize these wit nits and this horrid franchise.

Posted by: Spanglerg | October 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else want to see a skill position starting offense Monday Night of Moss, Mitchell, Cooley, Davis, Collins, and Mason with Alridge as the primary backup and 3rd down back? on Teams DT11 returning kicks and Alridge returning punts?

Sure dont. If Collins was going to save the day than yesterday would have been it. Like it has been said before what makes you think Mitchell would get the ball if he played. I think you may have something with DT11 on special teams but Mason is not an improvement from the other rbs on the team. He is not fast and is very similar to Betts. Say what you want about Zorn if he thought these backups would help they would be playing already.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

To all those saying see it wasnt Jason. Did you watch the first half he SUCKED! How can you excuse his performance?? Zorn is a terrible head coach but JC missed open receivers how is that anyones fault but his? We all know the O-line is terrible but they arent the ones overthrowing wide open receivers!

Posted by: BenchCampbell | October 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Like my parents use to say,"I'm not mad, I'm disappointed"

Posted by: iH8dallas | October 19, 2009 1:37 PM

My dad said that too. Then he whipped me with his belt. I think he really was mad. In more ways than one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

One of the great things about this board, is it's a living, breathing Rohrschats' test (SP). And this post 'splains so much.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

"... anything else is storming Normandy beach with a water pistol."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

It's not like that Zorn is the coach anymore, who cares what he says?

Just like more then half of the team, he's just there to collect a check now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 19, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

All this doom and gloom. We are 2-4. We can finish 12-4 and win the East. Now get to work!

Posted by: joinnow | October 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

All this doom and gloom. We are 2-4. We can finish 12-4 and win the East. Now get to work!

Posted by: joinnow | October 19, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree!!!!

Go Skins!!!

Posted by: taylormade218 | October 19, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

retards who learned how to type....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm psyched we have a nationally televised game next week.

All those empty seats will look great in HD.

At least it won't be the first game we lose to a team the Raiders have beaten.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 19, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Good for Zorn just hanging on to collect those checks.

For everyone saying he should just quit, do you think that Zorn gets another shot at play calling in NFL?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"When you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 19, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

t_e you're giving away your age with this post.

And I'm giving away MY age by knowing which sog it's from!

Posted by: Redcoat | October 19, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

So, after watching games on Saturday, do you guys still think we should draft this donk Clausen? If it wasn't for #23, he'd look like JAson Campbell....

Bradford is legit.

Tebow/Clausen is not.

My boy Mallet is legit as well. He can come out this year if he wants. But he'll prob stay one more year.

And Forcier isn't coming out until 2013, I don't know why peeps keep saying 2012...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Heyer Can't pass block, can't run block, can't pickup the blitz, can't block a speed rush, can't block a bull rush, can't create a running OR passing lane, lacks the awareness to handle delayed blitzes and stunts, lacks explosiveness, lacks agility, and is simply put the worst tackle I have ever had the displeasure of watching play the game.

Posted by: ecale25 |

Heyer should start eating now so that he blows up to being twice as big as Mike Williams. That way it will take longer for defensive linemen to run around him.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 19, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"... anything else is having an komodo dragon as a pet."

Posted by: RedDMV | October 19, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

He's no day at the beach, granted, but I think this post means one of two things. Either you don't watch much football, or Heyer nailed your girlfriend.

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 2:03 PM


1. I watch all the redskins games, the other games when I have time, and played football (including Left Tackle) for a large portion of my life.

2. I am currently single, so Heyer couldn't possibly be nailing my GF. My ex is being nailed by a guy who molested a good friend of mine in High School. My life is no picnic, but if I wanted to go after someone, Heyer would not be very high on my list of targets.

Posted by: ecale25 | October 19, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"anything else is like wearing sunglasses near Chenobyl"

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 19, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I think what this breakdown is all about is cavalier attitude. The FO never thought seriously about the OL line getting old and injured. The coaches thought that they could coach the personnel they had to run the WCO. Unfortunately the devil is in the details and what we have is a sieve for an OL and a completely dysfunctional O.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"My ex is being nailed by a guy who molested a good friend of mine in High School."

Yikes!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else want to see a skill position starting offense Monday Night of Moss, Mitchell, Cooley, Davis, Collins, and Mason with Alridge as the primary backup and 3rd down back? on Teams DT11 returning kicks and Alridge returning punts?

Sure dont. If Collins was going to save the day than yesterday would have been it. Like it has been said before what makes you think Mitchell would get the ball if he played. I think you may have something with DT11 on special teams but Mason is not an improvement from the other rbs on the team. He is not fast and is very similar to Betts. Say what you want about Zorn if he thought these backups would help they would be playing already.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

So we should just stick with playing Kelly and DT11 who are invisible, and Portis and Betts who are just bad at this point in their careers? Collins hasn't taken a rep since preseason and immediately steps in and connects on a deep ball with Moss something JC couldn't do in the first half. I don't think Collins is a savior or gets us into the playoffs or any of that crap but I think he makes quicker, better decisions, and gets the ball to the right place more accurately than JC. He will at least let us know if it is a fact that our young guys can't play or if JC just locked on to one guy the whole time and then couldn't hit the broadside of a barn trying to get it to them. Mason may not be huge upgrade but how do we know? he's never played much, same with Alridge and Mitchell, unless they get chances is it really fair to say they can't help? And forgive me if I am a little skeptical of the wisdom of Jim Zorn. Your saying the same guy who wouldn't kick a 50 yard tying field goal, tried to challenge a pile up fumble recovery but couldn't cause the ref saved him from himself, and has on a weekly basis made some of the most basic game management mistakes repeatedly is suddenly so sage and wise that he obviously knows these guys can't play. It took him 22 games to figure out JC sucks, his offense is pitiful, and he's about to get run out of town and already has his tail between his ball-less legs after being stripped of his only job, so play the young guys and lets see what they can do, we know what the old guys can't do....

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 19, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

So, after watching games on Saturday, do you guys still think we should draft this donk Clausen? If it wasn't for #23, he'd look like JAson Campbell....

Bradford is legit.

Tebow/Clausen is not.

My boy Mallet is legit as well. He can come out this year if he wants. But he'll prob stay one more year.

And Forcier isn't coming out until 2013, I don't know why peeps keep saying 2012...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

____________________

The dude from the Washington Huskies is said to be moving past Bradford on a lot of draft charts, mainly due to Bradford's injury issues.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins had Marques Colston circa 2006 on their roster, he'd still be on the damn bench. Pathetic.

Hopefully the Sherminator will put some life into this dead fish offense.

Wait, he sucked as a playcaller 10 frickin' years ago, why would he be any better now?

Why is Danny calling Al Davis for advice?

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 19, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"tried to challenge a pile up fumble recovery...."

Dude, me and my friend were laughing so hard at that. We were like,"He's trying to give away time outs! OMFG!"

Zorn is horrid, and to answer another question above "no" I do not think he will ever get another chance at play calling.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

All those empty seats will look great in HD.

Posted by: dmorgan6617 | October 19, 2009 2:10 PM


Tickets are now plentiful and inexpensive.

Philadelphia is a two-hour drive from FedEx Field.

I don't think empty seats will be an issue.

Posted by: freakzilla | October 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to wonder if we watch a different QB in parallel universes on Sunday. Campbell is consistently off target down field. It's frustrating to watch him miss wide open targets. To me, he's pretty terrible in that regard.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

TC and JC really aren't making good throws and a lot of that comes with not being able to step into it. I know they aren't getting sacked but they also don't have room to throw. It appears that Rabach and Montgomery were getting pushed back into the QBs. I think it's more of an offensive line issue than a QB issue. That's why JC can't hit the broad side of a barn and TC kept having passes batted down and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I think we really need to watch the pocket during the games. Then watch another team. They are standing in a pocket about the size of a hula hoop. I think if they had more room and more time they would be playing better. Seeing both of them struggle with every throw is what makes me believe it's an offensive line issue. If they were stepping into their throws and still missing then I would blame them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

As they continue to emasculate Zorn on a daily basis I wonder how they think this will help in landing a future head coach.

Posted by: dwninit71 | October 19, 2009 2:04 PM

I was thinking the same thing. Many of the TV/Radio commentators think it’s a given that Snyder will go after one of the big SB-winning coaches that are out there. What they’re not saying and what is certainly not a given is whether any of those coaches would want anything to do with Snyder seeing the way he conducts his business.

Posted by: skinswest | October 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Bench Ladell Betts.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 19, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Bean that's a good suggestion, let's move on before you make yourself look more ignorant than you already have.
I think we both want the same thing. Let's hope that Skin's can make some positive moves that can make it once again a proud franchise where it fans will support them weather they win or lose. Back in the late 60's the Redskins lost but at least they were exciting to watch and had dignity.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | October 19, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Snyder needs to go back to playing Dungeons and Dragons while hiring a real Football executive to run this team.

Posted by: moseley_brian

I agree with your sentiment, but….

What football decision in the past that Danny has made makes you think he will appoint the correct real football executive to run the team? Unfortunately Mr. Snyder is apparently unable to make a right decision in the world of NFL football.

Where would you like to start?

His fantasy league free agent policy?

Firing Marty to bring in Spurrier?

Not firing Cerrato?

Posted by: TheCork | October 19, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't firing Ceratto have less of an in-season effect than firing the Head Coach?

Really, what does Vinny have to do on a week to week basis (Besides talk radio)? And what record would an interim coach have to post to validate that the talent was better than Zorn?

In other words, what could possibly save the Vinster from the inevitable stench of his recent FA's and drafts?

In short, why not look for someone to take over at GM now? Sure, maybe you wait until the offseason to make major changes. Of course, I guess the flip side of that is that there really isn't much worthwhile to observe in the chaos that is going on now.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 19, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 19, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

My dad said that too. Then he whipped me with his belt. I think he really was mad. In more ways than one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator |

.....the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree they say.........

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 19, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"...anything else is like being ecale25's ex girlfriend."

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 19, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

So, after watching games on Saturday, do you guys still think we should draft this donk Clausen? If it wasn't for #23, he'd look like JAson Campbell....

Bradford is legit.

Tebow/Clausen is not.

My boy Mallet is legit as well. He can come out this year if he wants. But he'll prob stay one more year.

And Forcier isn't coming out until 2013, I don't know why peeps keep saying 2012...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 2:12 PM |

The next couple of drafts are going to be QB rich. Bradford, McCoy, Clausen, Pike, Locker this year and Barkley, Forcer, etc. in the on deck circle.

Posted by: ElDrano | October 19, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Many of the TV/Radio commentators think it’s a given that Snyder will go after one of the big SB-winning coaches that are out there."

That's an easy one, they won't come to the Skins. They won't because it's my understanding that Snydly and Ceratto do not want to give up personnel decisions.

Why would you want to come to that unless......you just want to get paid.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 19, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

cl, let's not canonize past Skins QBs just because they stayed long enough in a stable organization to do good things.

This was Steve Butchcock (Redskins Journal)" Mark [Rypien] does have a tendency to fumble when sacked. He will throw a bad interception when there's no reason to throw the ball. And he hasn't taken the team to the playoffs."

Petersons Preview '90: "Fumbling quarterback Mark Rypien reminded no one of Sonny Jurgensen..."

The comments were made in 1990, when Mark Rypien was 28 years old, in his 4th season under a HOF coach with the Skins and throwing to HOF Art Monk, Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders.

And I remember quite a lot of my friends saying what a horrible QB he was for turning the ball over so much and taking such vicious sacks.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 19, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse


So, after watching games on Saturday, do you guys still think we should draft this donk Clausen? If it wasn't for #23, he'd look like JAson Campbell....

Bradford is legit.

Tebow/Clausen is not.

My boy Mallet is legit as well. He can come out this year if he wants. But he'll prob stay one more year.

And Forcier isn't coming out until 2013, I don't know why peeps keep saying 2012...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 19, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

____________________

The dude from the Washington Huskies is said to be moving past Bradford on a lot of draft charts, mainly due to Bradford's injury issues.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse


How about drafting a few offensive linemen first to make sure these guys aren't running for their lives on every pass play?

Posted by: stwasm | October 19, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Obviously you have never coached or played any sports and if you did you must not of been very good

followed by:

Bean that's a good suggestion, let's move on before you make yourself look more ignorant than you already have.


Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Why would you want to come to that unless......you just want to get paid.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

100% right A+.

That's why we're in this fix to begin with. All,oops, many of the free agents came here for the very same reason. That's why there is no TEAM in DC. Just a few over-paid former free agents.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | October 19, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

This is how Snyder winds up holding the whole bag. After wiping his slate clean because of the admirable way he handled the death of Sean Taylor, it's now all back on him.

Since he was hired Zorn has been wearing too many hats. Now it's not clear if any of the hats fit him.


______________________________

Snyder to rest of world: "It's not me, it's you."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 19, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | October 19, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 19, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"My ex is being nailed by a guy who molested a good friend of mine in High School."

Yikes!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

TMI Brah! On a Redskins note...now that the season is over, there are lots of questions that I am looking forward to getting the answers to. When will Horny 4 Zorny be fired? Who is the next coach? Will we get a GM? Who will that be? Will be get a GM before a coach? Will we draft OL or a QB? Will there be an uncapped year? Will we blow this sh*t up and start with a new attitude and a winning philosophy. How many Eagles fans will be at Fed Ex Monday night?

Posted by: FedorEm | October 19, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

whateves...he is in my cannon Alan4...Long live Mark Rypien!

(lets also remember he was no first rounder, he was a project late rounder....)

I get it though...I am just anti tearing down great redskins to make some current point. Those great teams are all I got, and I am clinging to them like a water rat to a ships hull.

Sue me

F everything

F the lot of ya

Posted by: chrislarry | October 19, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Now is a perfect time to find out what our young players can do with complete disregard to our record, not a time to try to salvage a 7-9 season non-playoff season.

Posted by: REXskins

7-9? WOW, Exactly where do you see 5 more wins coming? This is the most disappointed I have been as a skins fan. I turned down 4 free tickets yesterday because I knew what was in store. The rest of the season is going to be even more embarrasing. I guarantee fedex is predominately green come Monday night and thats exactly what this FO deserves. DISGUSTED!

Posted by: Skins281 | October 19, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

HOW CAN SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T KNOW THE PLAYS CALL THE PLAYS!!! Only Danny (Lord Farquad) and Cerrato (Donkey) can come up with this!! Just wonderful, it jsut gets better and better. SNYDER ESTA DEMENTE!!

Posted by: riceldi | October 19, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

TC and JC really aren't making good throws and a lot of that comes with not being able to step into it. I know they aren't getting sacked but they also don't have room to throw. It appears that Rabach and Montgomery were getting pushed back into the QBs. I think it's more of an offensive line issue than a QB issue. That's why JC can't hit the broad side of a barn and TC kept having passes batted down and couldn't hit the broad side of a barn. I think we really need to watch the pocket during the games. Then watch another team. They are standing in a pocket about the size of a hula hoop. I think if they had more room and more time they would be playing better. Seeing both of them struggle with every throw is what makes me believe it's an offensive line issue. If they were stepping into their throws and still missing then I would blame them.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 19, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

____________________

The offensive line is an issue, and I'd buy this story if I hadn't watched Campbell play for the past few years, including time behind a somewhat good offensive line when it was healthy. He's just not an accurate passer. He doesn't put any arc on his deep passes to allow WRs to run under the ball and constantly over throws his target, regardless of whether he's pressured or not.

Campbell has always had this issue. It plagued him his first year as starter until he was knocked out for the year, Collins comes in and hits on the passes that Campbell was missing. People made excuses for him then saying that Collins just had an advantage because he knew the system. Now it's that he can't step up in the pocket. It's always SOMETHING.

My prognosis, is that it's Campbell.

Posted by: dfbovey | October 19, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"um, hackeynut I will take Doug Williams and Rypien anytime over JC. Wow.

I don't get denigrating our past players who were winners. Of course they had good teams, and maybe a JC type player would have been better on those teams....but I don't get knocking some skins legends in the process.
"

Again, fair points, but my post was not meant so much as to denigrate those Super Bowl teams (I'd give anything to have them back), but really to take a bit of the heat off JC, who I think is shouldering far too much of the blame.

Rypien was sacked 7 times in 1991. 7. In contrast, Campbell has been put down 14 times already this year. That isn't even counting the takedowns against Collins yesterday. Last year he was sacked 38 times.

JC doesn't have great numbers, but he does have a good arm and I have to imagine his accuracy would go up if he had guys who actually caught balls and got open like the Posse, or didn't have to worry about being obliterated every play.

Rypien was probably worse than JC was when the team around him got bad. My god, he had a 56.3 rating in 1993, just two years after that magical Super Bowl year.

JC has never had the chance to play with quality players, and likely never will.

Posted by: hackeynut | October 19, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Question: What draft picks do they have for the upcoming draft? Doesn't everyone want the team to tank the season so that they get a higher draft pick?

Posted by: srobert1117 | October 19, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse


The Skins could have ALL of the available 1st round draft pick, and with the nitwit Vinny picking, 30 of them would be failures.

Until Vinny is GONE, the Skins are too.

Posted by: Ireland2 | October 19, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

zjfr,

Collins hit one pass and was horrible the rest of the day. He showed no pocket presence, was inaccurate and was not an improvement. So please stop with that reads defenses and goes through progression crap. If he was as savvy as some of you portray him to be I would have no argument. He didnt complete 50 percent of his passes, grounded the ball for a safety(even it wasnt called)and was sacked for another safety. If we were running Al Saunders system I would agree with you but we are not and it should be clear that Collins is a bigger deer in the headlights than JC. Why do you need to give the ball to Mason 20 times to realize that he is not better than our other two backs. When he learns to block he should play more. At this point it doesnt matter what receivers we put out there. Until we get better blocking nobody will be getting the ball with any consistency.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 19, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Yo Zoron

Come on you idiot. It's not that difficult of a decision. Spare us the quarterback controversy (on top of everything else) and make up your mind already. Or check with Vinny and Dan and ask them to make up your mind for you.

And personally -- I'd go with Collins.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 19, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

On the positive side, the Redskins did make one outstanding play: THEY BENCHED CAMPBELL - ABOUT TIME!!!!

Posted by: opita1 | October 19, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

On the positive side, the Redskins did make one outstanding play: THEY BENCHED CAMPBELL - ABOUT TIME!!!!

Posted by: opita1 | October 19, 2009 2:58 PM

Glad it helped us win the game.

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I love reading how many of you have the right fix for whats going on with the players, FO, and coaches and the complete knowledge of the players strengths and weaknesses. How can any of you do your job well with both arms tied behind your back and your boss handicapping you with the tools to be successful? Everybody wants Zorn to play this guy and bench that guy but he is pressed for wins and will play the guys he feel will give him the best opportunity to win games NOW. We the fans, the media, and the owners want him to win now and not develop the young talent at the same time because you can't do both unless you have good older core talent and the support from the fans, the media, and the FO.
Zorn don't have that because of the unrealistic expectations that are on him to succeed right now with a poor squad. This team is a 5-11 team at best but many of you expect 11-5. Many of you are calling to play Marko, AA, and more carries for Mason but the again the reality is Zorn can't risk playing younger talent because we expect him to win the Super Bowl this season with D talent. I would love to see Mason more because I truly believe he can run the ball well and will have a solid pro career but it's to early to cash in the season because Mason needs more carries. I think Marko will develop into a good Wideout but maybe this time is not right for him if this offense is hurting from the Line and QB to really show his effectiveness. A receiver can run the best routes in the world but it will not matter if the ball is not thrown to his direction because the QB had no time because the line can't pass block.

So until many of you take all of that into consideration with your personnel moves for the this team just remember how could you be effective with the expectations of the Super Bowl with 5-11 talent. The question we should ask is when do you start playing the younger guys and except that you are in the rebuilding mode to turn over this roster over the next two or three years..... THEN WE CAN SEE AA, MARKO, MASON, and others

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 19, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If I were Zorn I would take the Lane Kiffin route of last year. Continue coaching and maintaining a level of professionalisim while subtley undermining the front office every chance you can get. Break out the burgundy and black jerseys, and send suisham out for a 63 yard field goald a couple of times.

Although, I can't wait for the press conference Snyder holds when he fires Zorn for cause. I hope there's overhead projectors!

Posted by: jbanks979 | October 19, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

So is there any news on who the skins are bringing in for a look see on the OL?

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I am "Mr. Positive" but in this case, things will have to get worse before they can get any better (that is hard to imagine, isn't it?)

There needs to be catharsis. We cannot get rid of Snyder. But Cerrato and everything below that can be replaced and must be replaced. Only then, team building can begin with a 3-5 year horizon. Redskins have tried and failed at the "let's get a superbowl team in place soon".

Now they need to get a "
team" in place and build on youth. Fans are supportive if the team is young, brash, imaginative yet immature. Fans are sick of old, boring, un-imaginative and lame.

Snyder had some quick success in business using his "strategy" He has kept trying to beat the system in the NFL and buy his way into success. It won't happen and we don't want that kind of success. We don't need some old geezer (has been) as the coach. We need an experienced GM who brings in a talented group, some young, some old to build over time. We need a system in place in 2010 that we absolutely are sure will not make the playoffs. (or if it does, it would be sheer good fortune) We need patience.

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 19, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | October 19, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Not attending games will be very very helpful

For the few who show up, please carry "Fire Cerrato" signs

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | October 19, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

This is like Office Space where management moves Milton's office to the basement and then stops paying him...eventually he burns the whole building down!

Posted by: magnetic54 | October 19, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

One question. How did Snyder convince Joe Gibbs to come back into this mess? The sales job of the century.

Posted by: GregJolysGhost | October 19, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Go back to Campbell because at least he can potentially run out of harm's way.

Agreed...Campbell is better than Collins

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

by having the plays called in from someone new sitting upstairs (which promises to include several delay of game penalties and repeated early use of timeouts)....at at time when we are trying to find some timing and pace in the offensive execution.

aviod this by having Sherm communicate directly with the QB (Campbell)...no need to relay to Zorn first..wasted step/time..Zorn is clueless the less he's involved the better

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 19, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Even Ernest Byner never fumbled away games like this...

Posted by: tmcmullins | October 19, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Rebuilding mode should start now with expectations already bottomed out. Nobody expects this team to win anymore. Shop around any and all offensive players for draft picks before the trading deadline -- Fire Sale! Losses will only improve our draft position. Fire Vinny and hire an interim GM to prepare for the draft talent.

Somebody will take Santana, Cooley, Portis, Randall El, Portis, and Campbell. We might be able to get 2nd or 3rd rounders for Santana and Cooley. We might be able to get 6th or 7th rounders for El, Portis, and Campbell. This will purge salaries and drop the sales price of the franchise ... Maybe we'll all get lucky and Snyder will put the franchise up for sale now while the team still has a relatively high value.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | October 19, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

For those who think the eagles will kill washington next week..think again the eagles LT was injured yesterday not sure if he will play next week and they also have 2 player's who play on the line who were elevated to starter's because of injuries. mcnabb was sacked 6 times yesterday and they scored 9 pts.(they were 3rd in the league in scoring before the raiders game.) Their line is still better than washington's but if washington continues to let orapko, jarmon, carter(finally getting some sacks)and the other lb/de can't remember his name go after the qb and force turn-overs maybe even score a defensive touchdown they can pull out a low scoring game they have a chance..pull heyer out of the starting line-up and call up the young OT free agent from the practice squad can he be any worst than heyer?

Posted by: wathu19 | October 19, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

So now we're going to have plays called by someone out of touch with today's game.

Gibbs, as good as he was in his heyday (1990's), was also out of touch when he came back. That's why he drafted Campbell.

It doesn't matter who QB's, both will be gone next year anyway.

Posted by: wizard5 | October 19, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

www.firetheVinster.com

Posted by: wizard5 | October 19, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Get ready to see a lot of excessive timeouts and penalties due to poor clock mgmt as the person calling the plays Monday will not know the plays.

Posted by: wizard5 | October 19, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

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