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Zorn: Most of the Injured Players Will Play Sunday

Besides saying that a decision is likely this week on whether to place WR Malcolm Kelly on the injured-reserve list, Jim Zorn said he expects most of his injured players to play Sunday. RB Ladell Betts and CB Shawn Springs are not likely to play, and Zorn said he still may decide to hold DT Cornelius Griffin out to rest his injured shoulder.

Everybody else looks good to go. DE Jason Taylor said he is probably playing at 60 percent or so after his calf surgery, but is feeling better. Zorn said the calf has "a lot bleeding and a lot less oozing" this week (yeah, the schlubs cringed a little, too, when he said it) and Taylor is wearing a smaller bandage to protect the incision now. The worry is always infection, but Zorn remains pleased with how hard Taylor has pushed himself.

Zorn also touched on the decision to retain Jon Jansen as the starting right tackle with Stephon Heyer, the previous starter, now essentially fully recovered from his shoulder woes. Jansen, a starter from the day he was drafted out of Michigan in 1999, lost his job to Heyer before the start of the season.

"I had the exact same conversation with Heyer as I did with Jon Jansen," Zorn said, telling Heyer how he remains a valuable part of the team as a "swing tackle" able to step in on the left or right side should injuries develop. Zorn said that Jansen has performed at a high level since returning to the starting lineup and that he sees no need to make a change to an offensive line that has been thriving. The ability to run to the right side has improved from the first few weeks in the season, and Jansen's presence certainly has something to do with that.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 22, 2008; 3:50 PM ET
 
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Justin Tryon

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Less ooze is always a good thing.

Posted by: bmo63 | October 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Food for thought: If you say its to early to judge the draft class, is not also to early to say they will all eventually be fine?

Also Craig Squared, I don't recall the Rocky Mac is a bust talk. And certainly not from me. I do remember the "Why the hell isn't Manboobs Williams playing our rooking Rocky Mac in the already wasted season!!!!!" talk.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Rob Jackson is still on the 53 man and has played some already, and played fairly well too. The quote from Blache I think was something like "He held his own and didn't screw anything up".

So that's good! LOL

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if he'll make a major contribution to the 'Skins this season (or any future season), but there's no doubt that Jason Taylor is a mensch.

Posted by: tfirey | October 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I know yall can't get enough Brett Fay-vor news :

"Going into Sunday's debacle against the Raiders, Favre was carrying a 71.3 completion average, highest in the league, highest of his career. It's a number that says, "What, me, take a chance? You've got to be kidding."

The other side of the coin is his yards per completion figure is sitting at 9.9, after that anemic outing at Oakland. This is a checkdown number, a play-it-safe figure. It's usually an indication of which quarterbacks like to go downfield, or at least which ones have coaches who aren't afraid of turning them loose. Never in Favre's 17-year career has it been this low. Only four quarterbacks in the NFL right now -- Carson Palmer, Brian Griese, Matt Cassel and Ryan Fitzpatrick -- are in the nine-yard range. Guys like Tony Romo and Philip Rivers are in the 13-yard range. Chad Pennington, whom Favre replaced, whose arm supposedly was too weak to pose a serious downfield threat, is averaging almost two yards more than Favre, 11.8 to 9.9.

Favre had three shots at the Raiders in overtime Sunday, three series in which to move his team into field-goal range. The first one started with Thomas Jones running the ball twice for five yards. It ended with a sack. The second began with two Jones runs for six yards, followed by an incompletion. The third started with three runs for 15 yards, followed by an incompletion and a Favre scramble and fumble out of bounds. They never cleared their own territory. Three series, three punts. Fourteen plays, eight runs, one of four passes completed for 17 yards, a scramble and a sack.

In another context you might say, OK, it was the culmination of a brutal game, a slugfest. Well, it was a tough game all right, but the Raiders were exhausted at this point. And don't forget, that was Favre who had three cracks at them. Where was he? What is this club thinking of?

Oh, I can hear the excuses, the most common being the receivers. But he's got a big league pair of wideouts in Laveranues Coles and Jerricho Cotchery. Rookie Dustin Keller is an athletic tight end drafted for his ability to stretch the field. Leon Washington is a speedy little running back who has broken many long ones in his career. And yet the offense creaks along with Favre bearing the look of some rookie told to keep things short and sensible.

He still has eight interceptions this season. Only poor J.T. O'Sullivan with the struggling 49ers has thrown more. And yet the memory lingers on, the gunslinger, the lights out QB who will bring such wonders to this team and its fans.


Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 3:53 PM "


PS - stop saying Justin Tryon!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Rob Jackson will be end up being a steal for us, and a contributer for years to come.

The bust there is E. James.....wish we had our 7th round pick back!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

from The Sacramento Bee :

"At some point, probably soon after they retire, O'Neal and Hill, former Magic players who still make their permanent homes in a mega-money Orlando enclave, will talk with executives to see if the team is available.

How serious?

They have already talked about it together, a lot. They have already made their feelings known to CEO and president Bob Vander Weide, the son-in-law of owner Rich DeVos. They have, both report independently, already lined up additional investors.

If DeVos is open to discussing a sale, Hill and O'Neal want to be first in line. If not, the partnership will consider other teams. There's no way to know which way it will go, not when we're probably talking the summer of 2010 at the earliest and no one can say for certain where the economy will be headed in two months. Asking prices will change. The financial needs of owners with major investments in non-basketball entities will change.

...

Shaq: "Yeah, it's serious. Grant, who's like my best friend now, we have a relationship with the DeVos family. So we always throw out Grant president, me general manager. We always throw that out just to see what they say. Hopefully, they bite on that. But if not, just put together a group and try to get something somewhere.

"I've mentioned it to Bob Vander Weide and he laughs," Shaq said. "But I know they love Grant as president. I know they like that idea. I always try to ride Grant's coat tails. Hey, Grant's the president. He's better looking, better spoken and can do the president. But I can be the general manager. I can get stuff done.""


that's right folks, it's almost NBA season!

GO BOBCATS!!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, no it's not too early or too late to say they might be fine considering there is still time for us to find out.

MIddle of next year, and they still suck, then it might not be time to say they might still be fine.

You may not have said, it but it was written here often, between JLC and some of the others here, one would have thought the guy simply quit before he ever got on the field.

But McIntosh is STILL an excellent example of why it isn't wise to label a drafted player a "bust" just because he doesn't contribute in his first year, no matter the intentions when he was drafted.

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

James Hardy 5 catches

Limas Sweed 1 catch

Mario Manninghame 1 catch

Martellus Bennett 5 catches

Jordy Nelson 10 catches

Oh, and for good measure....

Santana Moss 2 catches his rookie year......

We're labeling these guys all busts too right??

I mean, I'm just trying to establish what is, and what is not a wasted draft pick....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Can we get McCardell out of retirement

Posted by: alex35332 | October 22, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Jordy Nelson isn't a bust, he just sucks. I don't care what his stats are, that guy is garbage.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"but there's no doubt that Jason Taylor is a mensch"

While I agree Taylor has not begun to pay dividends, to call out a dude playing through his injury shows what a coach potato tool you really are.

How about this, we get an elite athlete to kick you so hard in the calf that it causes a ruptured hole. that than causes internal clotting throughout your leg. Give you emergency surgery and spend the following 4 weeks draining it of blood and ooze. And as a bonus we won't make you play DE in the NFL, just ask you to show up to your soft azz day job after 2 weeks off on injury leave. OK?

Seriously is there anything funnier than us fans questioning the toughness of these dudes??

I will stick with coach Zorn's characterization of Taylor's effort the last few weeks over yours tfirey, "Warrior"

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Very good beantown, that's my point. Just because there are few other rookies out there making waves, doesn't make the Skins draft pick a bust, it's just a stupid thing to say(or write for that matter).

What other seventh round safeties are kicking @SS the way Horton is?

So then EVERY OTHER ROOKIE SAFETY IS A BUST RIGHT?

Wake up people!

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes they are all a bust unless they are getting Rookie of the year.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 22, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

How about 1st round safeties? Kenny Phillips up with the G-Men doesn't compare to what Horton has done, and he was a first round pick!

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If time is a barometer to judge rookies, and it is, than you can neither say players are busts or great picks at this point. Period. Charles Rodgers looked amazing his first 6 games. If you preach patience than it is a two way street.

Sorry Craig Squared, I am going to rip a page from Beantown's book, please provide some proof that anyone or JLC bashed Rocky Mac, or else I ain't buying it. The conversation most definately was that Gregg Williams was holding him off the field, and that he deserved a shot to show what he could do. Evidenced by the fact in like his first two games in 2006 he racked like 15 tackles. Like my boy Beantown Greg would say, don't let the facts get in the way of your argument.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

the people saying Kelly, Thomas and Davis are busts, are the same people whom were against the Zorn hiring, and labeled that as Snyder not having a clue.

Patience...

Not to mention that Felix Jones is hurt now too, so following the script, he's a bust too right.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Second round draft pick, ONE catch for the whole year. Good pick.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 22, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

What an idiotic comment. Jason Cambpell's rookie year he had zero completions. I suppose he wasn't a good pick either, right?

I guarantee you know next to nothing about the sport of football.

Posted by: Barno1 ++++

Respectfully disagree.

I DO know some football, and your retort is apples and oranges. The Redskins needed receivers to play this year. EVERYONE said that before the season. Zorn, Vinny, fans and experts.

The Redksins, in contention to go deep into the playoffs THIS YEAR are being held back by the lack of a third wide receiver to take the pressure off of Santana Moss deep.

If would be nice if a large possession WR were available in the Red zone, but there isn't one.

Be nice if a receiving TE could supplement and or give cooley rest at times in the game or threaten with two receiving TEs in the game together. The Redskins don't have one.

Not for lack of trying They brought in two big receivers (Mix and McMullen.) Neither made the team.

The drafted THREE big receivers in th second round. You can count their total catches on the fingers of one hand, maybe one or tow more fingers from the other.

Was there no one out there to draft for the redskins early playoff run? Absolutely there was. DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal and now Donnie Avery are filling a function--that were they skins--would ramp up the offense significantly.

MAYBE these three skin draftees will be good eventually. But for the first half of the season, they have ben BUSTS.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

AHHHHHHH!!

Thanks alex, I really appreciate you clarifying for us cuz I think we just didn't understand.

OMG!!!LOL!!!

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with some here. Bust talk is premature as is stud status. Right now who knows. Horton continues to go out there and ball so I would say we have the most tape on the guy. He seem to if nothing else be worth the 7th round pick if he never played again.

Everyone else gets an incomplete.

Posted by: Gweez | October 22, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal and now Donnie Avery

Cork, are these guys starting for their teams??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 22, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Dang! I wanted to see Kelly this year.

Why do they keep trying to push him with his knee swelling?!?! Let him rest a few weeks, then see what his knee could do is what they should have done.....

IR him now. We need him for many years to come..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Corky- Usually a big fan of your work up here, but Jackson, Avery, and Royal are all under 6 feet tall. Kind of defeats the purpose of the argument of them "filling a function" of the big receiver the 'Skins need.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Amen 4th!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Cork, did the season just end and nobody told me?!?!?!?!?

"THIS YEAR are being held back"

Last I looked the Skins were 5-2 and on a VERY GOOD TRACK TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
Correct me if I'm wrong there, but you just shot your own argument in the @ss.

chrislarry, sorry, but I don't have links to anything nearly two years old, but your point is taken. I can only go by what I remember reading, it is possible that it was from other sources, but I had many arguments over the Rocky issue, and remember it being here as well.

Any way, my point remains, he is an excellent example of why it's just plain stupid to label at this point.

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

D lineman take longer to develop than WR's so saying we should have drafted a DE is retarded. Tell me about a rookie D lineman that was a huge impact player. Mario Williams? NO. Howie's son? not really. The only one I can think of is Terrell Suggs and he's really a LB.


Posted by: BigRich1 | October 22, 2008 3:54 PM

Homie, what are you basing this statement off of, or are you just simply basing?

Mario Willams? Yeah he's had a rough start to his career, his rookie year he didn't do much, but had a great 2nd year with 14 sacks; through 6 games this year he has 6 sacks. Mario Willams doesn't validate your point at all. Mario Willams is a straight up beast, plus he gets tackles (59 in '07) and 22 already this year; meaning he can play the run well.

Gaines Adams? (The dude we thought that was gonna get picked in '07) had a decent rookie year with 6 sacks, 2 FFum; this year he has 2 picks with one of them taking back for a score.

Chris Long? He has 21 tackles and 2 sacks through six games. Not to shabby at all.

Everyone and their mamma's mamma knows that QBs and WRs take the longest to develop. Their game is way more than just lining up and taking the dude out in front of you. In fact their position is the only two positions were you're generally not required not to phase out anyone on the field (Except WR when they're blocking).

Posted by: RedDMV | October 22, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll help you out, Cork, YES, they are starting for their respective teams. And why is that?? Because their teams WR's SUCK.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 22, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

cHRis LaRRy, I can't go back to the RI archives right now, but I'll spend some blog cred reminiscing about some early RockyMac "he's got bad knees, Gregg says he doesn't know where he's supposed to be, he's a bust" jibba jabba from some of the hamsters. I'll blame it on Periculum (because he's such a convenient target).
But WTF? I'm sure I can find some numbnut Up Here who thought that London Fletcher was two steps away from the retirement home, too short for an MLB, and just another example of DannyVinny at work.

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If Horton was a 2nd round pick and Kelly was a 7th round pick, we'd be calling Vinny a genius right now.

Draft classes take 3 YEARS to effectively evaluate, not 8 weeks into a season. Grow some perspective here folks.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if guys who are put on IR are allowed to attend meetings, rehab on site, and stand on the sidelines during practice? If he's essentially off the team, maybe (big maybe) they want to wait a while longer to make a decision. If so, then going on IR could be a huge setback for Kelly. If he's allowed to hang around the park, then IR the guy, maybe even look into corrective surgery and rehab.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, you should look up what a mensch is....

Posted by: ImIdaho | October 22, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

If Horton was a 2nd round pick and Kelly was a 7th round pick, we'd be calling Vinny a genius right now.

Posted by: rich20ssu | October 22, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse


That's actually pretty astute. It's probably true.

Posted by: Gweez | October 22, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry should also look up what The Truth is!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

From the Redskins blog:

The bad news first: Malcolm Kelly couldn’t work at all today with a swollen knee, and the possibility of putting him on IR is looming larger and larger. Zorn mentioned wanting to give it another firm look, but it didn’t sound good.

On the flipside, Devin Thomas is continuing to look strong at receiver, regardless of who he’s lined up against. He seems determined, and wholly different from the guy who received so much criticism during training camp.

I asked Lorenzo Alexander what he saw in practice, and he pointed to the guys who line up across from him. “The offensive line had a little burr,” he said. “That whole squad over there was trying to turn it up a little bit to get the defense going.” Which is a good thing? “Oh, definitely.”

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 22, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Craig Two Times...I agree that Rocky Mac is an example of a dude taking a year, although I still feel if Williams hadn't held him back that first year he would have played pretty well as a rookie. Rookie LBs often, like RBs, play well early.

daggar, we can agree to misremember differently. I remember a lot of people questioning Williams, and than citing Williams own excuses as to why he was languising on bench as we ran out Lamar Marshall and that other free agent signing who was getting blown up weekly (I blocked out his name, some one help me out).

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I was hyped when we got London Fletcher. I just wished we got him 5 or 6 years ago when he was letting his super talent go to waste in Buffalo.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 22, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

And in regards to Tryon(again I did not want the guy on the team) but:
Overview

The former junior college transfer instantly became ASU's top cover cornerback, starting all 26 games during his two seasons with the Sun Devils. He proved to be an effective run support defender who simply loved the challenge of taking on receivers much bigger than him. In 2007, his main pass coverage assignments featured four receivers who stood at least 6-feet-4 and five who were 220 pounds or more.

The 5-9 cornerback allowed the opposition to complete just 31.13 percent of the passes thrown into his area during his final campaign (33-of-106). Tryon was just as capable of covering the top receiver on deep routes, but also excelled in press coverage, rerouting his man away from 54 potential catches, in addition to breaking up or intercepting 19 other throws. He allowed a miniscule 3.74 yards per pass attempt vs. him as a senior.

At Taft High School, Tryon earned second-team All-City honors as a running back, gaining 1,435 yards and scored 21 touchdowns in 2002. He also registered a 96-yard kickoff return vs. Jefferson High. He earned All-American, All-State and All-City accolades in track-and-field as a senior, as he clocked 10.6 seconds in the 100-meters, 21.2 in the 200-meters and 47.25 in the 400-meters (fastest time in the state).

All of that just spells "POTENTIAL", I personally would like to see that guy be groomed for the return game, his speed, size and physical style of play could be very good there.

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I can speak (a little bit) to the knee thing... one of mine is all gunked up (medical term)... the swelling in the knee area itself is hard to deal with (lots of internal space to flood without having a bulging, obviously swollen knee). If you compress/ice the knee area, it floods your entire leg -- so you have to keep it elevated. Very hard to run with an elevated leg.
The long-term solution is to strengthen the muscles surrounding the knee, but that causes swelling, and therefore rest/ice/elevation. And everyone sure is gunning to get him back on the field.
If they IR him, it may help him physically but hurt his development on the field (no reps).

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

dam I got egg on my face! looked up mensch.....MY BAD. Apologies tfriley! I obviously enjoy looking stupid. Although you have to admit it was kind of a funny rant.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

You guys are throwing around the words "draft" and "bust" like they are bad things. I'll take a cold 12 oz. Red Stripe and Pamela Lee right here, right now.

Also, Justin Tryon.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

daggar, you just dropped to the bottom of my Big Board.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Lamar Marshall and that other free agent signing who was getting blown up weekly (I blocked out his name, some one help me out).

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:26 PM

Warrick Holdman

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

This is a funny one from "the blog":
Zorn reminisced about being part of the Detroit Lions coaching staff and coming into FedExField to play the Redskins in the playoffs in 2000. “I just remember you hurting us, and after a while it wasn’t that competitive.”

Very good Zorn, very good.

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Tryon sucks!

Posted by: smoooooooot | October 22, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Warrick Holdman...yes thanks sweeny....shudder....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Justin Tryon should be Tried On at punt returner (though I mightily appreciated how Randel El started ALL of his non-fair catch returns in a northerly direction against the Browns).

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

what the heck does 4-12 mean anyway!?!


too much Tryon today people!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Truth, I guess that's my fault, I wrote in the other thread that if the Skins end up with 4 draft picks contributing THIS YEAR, it would be a successful draft.

Someone wanted to make sure I didn't think Tryon would be one of them, and that was "all she wrote"!

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

sween:
I wouldn't want to be on any board that would have me as a member.

no matter how Big it is.

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's 2008 draft to date:

2nd Round Devin Thomas WR - too early to make a call but has contributed more penalties than receptions; has potential to contribute.

2nd Round Malcolm Kelly WR - soon on IR; history of knee problems before drafted. Doubt he will ever be a contributor at WR.

2nd Round Fred Davis TE - Chris Cooley is the starter and Yoder the blocking TE. Wasted pick in the 2nd round on this position.

3rd Round Chad Rhinehart OL - been on in the inactive list nearly every week but could help out in a year or two.

4th Round JT Tryon CB - was torched every week during preseason and should have been cut except he was a high draft pick.

6th Round Durant Brooks P - cut after 6 games.

7th Round Rob Thomas DE - in rotation for D-Line and has shown nice potential.

7th Round Chris Horton SS - starter who was recommended by Dwayne Walker, former Skins asst. coach, or Vinny would never have found him. Saving grace of the draft.

I see one guy who is starter, one 2nd rounder who is the 4th receiver, and a 7th rounder who plays a little on passing downs and two busts. A good GM would have a minimum of 5 players making contributions out of this many draft picks. Look at what the Giants draft picks last year (Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, A. Bradshaw) did during their Super Bowl run and none were picked higher than the 2nd round.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Try on - a 4-12 season...a long ago prediction by this member of the RI Hamsters

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | October 22, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of rookies, here are the beast #48 Chris Horton's projected stats if he stays on the same pace his is on right now :

85 tackles, projected among all rookies that would be third place behind Jerrod Mayo (112) and Curtis Lofton (104)

7 INT, tied for 1st with Aqib Talib

16 pass deflections, tied for 1st Aqid Talib

2 Fumble Recoveries, tied for 2nd with Tyrell Johnson and behind Brandon Carr (5).

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I also think it's interesting that Zorn has waited so long to do something with him. I was at training camp before he pulled the hammy, and the guy looked DAM GOOD!

He looked to me like he might challenge ARE for that spot on opening day. So, to me, Zorn must see something he really likes to have "held" his offense back a bit waiting for him to get healthy.

So let's just get the guy healthy, and see what happens.

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

If you'd asked me the day after the draft was done, it would have gone something like this:

"Zeke, you are smart guy, what will happen with these 10 picks?"

I'd have said "Well 5 of them will be serviceable players in this league and 2 or 3 will be good players. Now lets see who we drafted."

Drafting is a like a box of chocolates, you're never know what your gonna get.

The only thing I know going into a draft is that you need to look at where you anticipate your teams needs will be in 2 years and draft for that. Which is what makes the Fred Davis pick such a poor pick. We are set at TE for the next 5 years.

At WR, we only had 2 guys that are good, so definitely try to get a 3rd WR. Those picks, whether they ultimately work out or now, made sense. Just don't expect a return on those WR picks in 2008.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

wiz you forgot Kareem Moore....


Also that Thomas tackle of Cribbs might have been one of the top 5 important plays of last week's game.

Devin is coming on...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

"7th Round Chris Horton SS - starter who was recommended by Dwayne Walker, former Skins asst. coach, or Vinny would never have found him. Saving grace of the draft."

dude gimme a freaking break, seriously


you think Horton was the only guy in the draft that was specifically recommended? Wow, you really have no idea how things work.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

wizfan, left out Colt and Kareem Moore and its Rob Jackson in round 7

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I see one guy who is starter, one 2nd rounder who is the 4th receiver, and a 7th rounder who plays a little on passing downs and two busts. A good GM would have a minimum of 5 players making contributions out of this many draft picks. Look at what the Giants draft picks last year (Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, A. Bradshaw) did during their Super Bowl run and none were picked higher than the 2nd round.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

You might should stick with commenting on the Wizards cuz this doesn't cut it. First, you forgot one, Kareem Moore, who plays this year.

2nd Round Malcolm Kelly WR - soon on IR; history of knee problems before drafted. Doubt he will ever be a contributor at WR.
What do you base this prediction of the future on?
2nd Round Fred Davis TE - Chris Cooley is the starter and Yoder the blocking TE. Wasted pick in the 2nd round on this position.
And what if Cooley gets hurt? You think Yoder can do what Cooley and Davis can do?
Not a wasted pick, and ONCE AGAIN, the season isn't over yet!

Posted by: craig2 | October 22, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

so, to summarize, wizfan listed 8 of the 10 picks and got one name wrong.
Do you play racquetball?

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

As far as IR rules go, from my quick search on the web; I think it's okay for the IR player to attend meetings and to rehab at the team facility, but they can't actually be involved in practice with the regular team.

Posted by: NCICURN | October 22, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

By my count, the draft looks like this:

1 confirmed starter (Horton)
1 dud (Brooks)
8 TBD

of those 8, 2 have gotten some decent PT (Moore and Thomas)

which is about what should be expected from a typical draft class 7 games into the season

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Mensch - A person having admirable characteristics, such as fortitude and firmness of purpose: "He radiates the kind of fundamental decency that has a name in Yiddish; he's a mensch"

What a terrible thing to say about someone. (sorry chrislarry couldn't help it)

Posted by: dbrine1261 | October 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

re: IR, they can't practice (that was another Bellichek accusation -- much like you can't hit during OTAs). You can hang around the park... but, I recall an interview with someone -- maybe Jansen -- who described it as something like a jinx; that no one wanted to get close to you, that you just weren't part of the team.

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

i still don't get why people are so high on kelly when he was selected behind devin thomas. what is the big deal? did i miss something that you guys saw? really yeah the talk of a "bust" is premature but why are we even talking about him? instead of devin thomas?

from game 2 it looked like devin thomas was going to contribute this season but no one up here talks about him...why? just curious why everyone got a hardon for either calling kelly a bust or stud. from where i'm standing he doesn't warrant any attention. seriously did i miss something other than one slant 7 yard pass?

Posted by: dealer1 | October 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

From the NLFPA webpage:

3. Reserve/Injured (IR)
A player who sustains an injury in a practice or game that renders him physically unable to perform after passing his club’s pre-season physical may be placed on his club’s Reserve Injured list. While on IR a player will continue to receive his salary and medical care and is permitted to attend meetings, but he is prohibited from practicing and playing in games for his club for the remainder of the season. “The key benefit of being placed on IR is the club’s ongoing obligation to pay the player’s salary, medical care, and rehabilitation,” said NFLPA Staff Counsel Tim English. “It is the medical care and rehabilitation that allows the player to recover from injury and to get back out on the field. We all know that players want to play.”

Posted by: NCICURN | October 22, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

wizfan89, can you get some stats from the 1st half of the season for last years giants team. My memory has them coming on strong in the 2nd half.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 22, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Agree that Devin is coming on...as is Fred Davis. WRT the Giants' rookies contributing during their Super Bowl run, I wonder how much of their impact occured by quarter of the season. My assumption is that they had a typical rookie growth curve and continued to both improve and increase contribution as the year wore on... culminating of ourse in their substantial efforts in the aforementioned SB run.

I expect both Fred and Devin to increase their production as the year moves along.

Another point: Redskins are not handing anything to these rookies, and is holding them accountable. Zorn is making them earn their reps and PT in practice...but is also rewarding them for their efforts in the gmaes if it is warranted. Witness the plays to Fred, and Zorn's postive mention of DT both after the game and in the monday presser.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Have we discussed the ref who blew up the scrambling QB about to score against LSU last weekend?

Posted by: daggar | October 22, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I deserve dbrine...I deserve it!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

In many cases, a rookie gets playing time if a guy in front of him goes down. Horton got much more PT with Doughty hurting. Rob Jackson got plays when Jason Taylor was out. Kareem Moore got PT with so many guys out in the secondary. I hope Reinhart is good player, but I'd hate to see one of our OL guys go down.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 22, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

anybody ever had it say your comment has been received and held for approval by the blog owner before?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of Devin Thomas, did everyone see this replay of his (other) big hit on Cribbs? The skins were beating Cribbs up all game...watch him try to get up after the hit and fall back to the ground. Rough stuff

http://theunofficialredskinsblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/devin-thomas-big-hit-courtesy-of-txredskins44/

Posted by: -swb | October 22, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Can Tryon be converted into a Westbrook?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: -swb | October 22, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

re: Giants rookies

1. Steve Smith. He was hurt until very late in the season. And yes people up here were calling him a bust. When he got healthy, and reps he contributed. Now you could make a case that he was going against junk coverage being the 3rd wideout due to the year Plex was having and the respect Toomer gets as a wiley vet who can still ball.

2. Boss. He wasn't seeing any playing time until Shockey got hurt. Also this season when the job was all his, TE suddenly became an issue. Why do you think Jints wanted Gonzo (who the Cheifs were idiots for not getting a 4th round pick for...)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

swb, great link, missed that hit.

Once DT gets going he is going to be fun to watch, not just catching the ball. Dude likes to get physical and will be throwing some good blocks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 22, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I see one guy who is starter, one 2nd rounder who is the 4th receiver, and a 7th rounder who plays a little on passing downs and two busts. A good GM would have a minimum of 5 players making contributions out of this many draft picks. Look at what the Giants draft picks last year (Steve Smith, Kevin Boss, A. Bradshaw) did during their Super Bowl run and none were picked higher than the 2nd round.

Posted by: wizfan89 | October 22, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

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Is that like the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy math? The 5 book trilogy?

Anyway, Boss had 0 catches until week 10, and a whopping 9 for the season

Bradshaw didnt carry the ball until week 12, and finished with 23 for the season

Steve Smith had 4 receptions thru week 14 and finished with 8

...And boom goes the dynamite.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | October 22, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

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