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Quick hit: Zorn's injury updates

Mike Sellers, who suffered a thigh contusion against New orleans, was jogging today on the treadmill, Coach Jim Zorn said in his regularly-scheduled Monday press conference.

Zorn said that the plan was to get him practicing later in the week. Presently, Zorn listed him as questionable. He added that the same was true of DeAngelo Hall; they'll work him into practice and see how his knee is. Until then, he's questionable.

Albert Haynesworth, Zorn said, is likely to practice Wednesday. As with Hall and Sellers, they'll know if he's ready to play later in the week.

Stephon Heyer will probably again "have to work in a limited way one day during practice," Zorn said. Cornelius Griffin strained a pectoral muscle Sunday and is likely to play next Monday.

Randle El Mystery

Dan Steinberg hears criticism of Antwaan Randle El as a returner from Brian Mitchell and Joe Theismann.

King's observations

On his Monday Morning Quarterback, SI's Peter King picks -- shock -- Brian Orakpo as defensive player of the week:

Who'd have thought Orakpo would have rushed the pass more productively in the first 13 games of his rookie year than Demarcus Ware, Julius Peppers and LaMarr Woodley? By the measure of sacks, he has. His four-sack day at Oakland (sacks for losses of nine, nine, nine and 10 yards) gave him 11 for the year.

And he has this to say about Jason Campbell:

I think this is what's crazy about football: The Redskins were in the biggest freefall of any team in the league around midseason, with an offense that didn't score more than 17 points in any of the first eight games. Now they've lost their best two running backs for the year, have a retiree calling plays, and they've scored 88 points in the last three weeks. And Jason Campbell looks like a player.

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Comments

Not ready to go on record with a Billick prediction, but I can definitely see the Skins doing something nobody's expecting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse
Unexpected, for sure. Utterly stupid, certainly. Incomprehensible, yep. Brownwood, I think you are on to something here.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 14, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse
reposted

Posted by: frediefritz | December 14, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

1st to say I was RIGHT. I said No to Orakpo as a OLB.

Also, I was the FIRST on the Sherm Lewis BAndwagon....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Skins trade Cooley for some daft picks. Cooley is one of my favorite players and one of the best on the team. But Davis shows promise, Cooley is about the only player with any value, I say role with Davis and build the offensive line through the draft!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 14, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

so where were these vaunted 2 TE offensive sets over the past 2 seasons? You know, the innovative empty-backfield sets that would have dcoord's quaking in their shoes?

odd how they never materialized no?

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I think right now teams are not using this set properly. They are taking the speed off the field and only using the 2 TEs without a deep threat. They are trying to use it in the red zone. I'd like to see it used on our own 20. I'd run it with Thomas and Moss. You have 2 deep threats along with the 2 tight ends. This should spread the field and allow you to run to either side with a lead blocker. I think a guy like spiller would excel in that set because of his speed and his ability to run and catch passes. The tight ends are used to spread the field horizontally while moss and thomas spread it vertically. With the defense spread out like that and linebackers covering the tight ends what happens when CJ Spiller takes the ball up the middle? Are the linebackers quick enough to get back to the middle of the field? Do you use cornerbacks to cover the tight ends and worry about them braking tackles? It's just a few ideas but I can see it working with the right balance of speed and size.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse
repost

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to direct everyone's attention to the performance of second, third stringers and newbs at this point...

I understand this league's dogmatic approach to play time... but can we look at the last few weeks as evidence that 'doing it in pre-season' can actually translate to regular season success as well?

Sometimes this league takes itself entirely too seriously...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

You're not going to get good value for Cooley unless the buyer is a dolt. You'd be better off trading Davis...

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why we would trade cooley. We could have an awesome 2 TE package and we need all the play makers we can have.

Posted by: Redskins001 | December 14, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

We need guys who can block so those playmaker's have a chance to make plays.


Shuttle, I guess your right with Cooley's contract. I think one has to be traded though.

Posted by: redryan400 | December 14, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Bean - Adailus Thomas is no the Locker Room Snitch....

Warren says Adalius Thomas leaked "LateGate" news
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 14, 2009 12:04 PM ET
One surprising aspect of last week's "LateGate" brouhaha in New England was that the news got out at all. Every team with a few losses inevitably has internal drama, but the Patriots have mastered keeping their issues in-house.

Long-time Patriots defensive end Ty Warren has an idea why the information came out last week: "Adalius [Thomas] put it out there," Warren said on WEEI this morning, according to Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald.

Wow.

It's not shocking that Thomas would tell the media, giving his coach an extra headache. But it is surprising to hear Warren call Thomas out for the infraction.

That Warren would be the one to finger Thomas is telling. Warren is the prototypical Patriot defender, never looking for attention or credit in seven excellent seasons as a starter.

Warren is drawing battle lines here. He pointed out that one of the Tardy Four, linebacker Gary Guyton, came back to the facility to watch film on the night he was turned away from practice.

Thomas has been cast to the bench by the Patriots coaching staff, and now it sounds like his teammates are making him an outcast as well.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

1st to say I was RIGHT. I said No to Orakpo as a OLB.

Posted by: 4thFloor
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Join the club, of which almost everyone on this forum is a member.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for the link, wow...I'd expect AT to be cut loose really soon.....can't see him remaining on that team, given that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

For what its worth, my brother just told me that his boss ran into Cooley at the caps game. Cooley said that he doesn't expect to be back next season and wouldn't be surprised if he was traded for draft picks.

Take it for what it's worth - third hand information - but it is interesting.

It'd be a bad move to get rid of him

Posted by: -swb | December 14, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell Orakpo that he needs to shave...he is starting to look like Deshawn Stevenson!

Posted by: authorofpoetry | December 14, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

My spelling his horrendous today.....

REXskins - I was battling with too many up here who said Orakpo could fill in at SLB. Cushing, my pick, is also in competition of Def ROY. But, Orakpo may now get it because people too much value on sacks.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

my brothers, wife's hairdressers sister's boyfriends brothers mechanics caddy's sisters brother told me that Cooley is getting traded for Adrian Peterson, and Jared Allen.....keep that quiet, hasn't been announced yet...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"This highlight of this contest was Orakpo's breakout game. With 11 sacks in 13 games this season, real stardom beckons."-from Boswell's column

Not to be critical of Carter, he's done real well, but Orakpo seems to be creating his own opportunities. Four sacks with no Haynesworth is not something Carter has ever been able to do (or with 92 for that matter). Very impressed.

Did anyone else notice that Yoder seemed more than serviceable filling Seller's shoes? He seeemed especially effective at the goal line blocking on the Ganther TDs.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 14, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell Orakpo that he needs to shave...he is starting to look like Deshawn Stevenson!

Posted by: authorofpoetry | December 14, 2009 1:07 PM |

As long as he keeps sacking the QB he can look like bigfoot.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Couple draft thoughts....

The Redskins are pulling themselves out of position to draft Russell Okung with each win they get. Right now they'd pick seventh. Which is more Trent Williams territory. I think Okung will be a top 5 choice. If he slips to 7, it would be like winning the lottery.

Another thought, is Jahvid Best could potentially slip into the 2nd round due to the recent new focus on head injuries.

Either Okung or Williams in the first with Jahvid Best in the second would be my ideal first day draft scenario.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 14, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Brian Orakpo = Sacksquatch

Posted by: dfbovey | December 14, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Take it for what it's worth - third hand information - but it is interesting.

It'd be a bad move to get rid of him

Posted by: -swb | December 14, 2009 1:03 PM

Totally believable. Coooley telling it like it is at CAPS games.

He's been around long enough to know what's what. Like No NFL team will EVER keep two elite Pass Catching TEs....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Haha, beantown, I hate reading comments like the one I just posted too. I'm sure no one will believe the info, but I figured I'd post it regardless. While I don't know my brothers boss, I do know that my brother wouldn't make something up that's as dumb as that.

Posted by: -swb | December 14, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

4th - just compared their stats. Can't see how Orakpo would win over Cushing, if he does you're right, sacks are way overvalued.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Either Okung or Williams in the first with Jahvid Best in the second would be my ideal first day draft scenario.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 14, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Trent Williams stock is falling badly after getting beat a lot this year. Some scouts are listing him as a right tackle only now. He may actually fall into the seocnd round. Best after the concussion may fall but I'd rather go with Spiller in the first and Ciron Black in the second. Then I'd like to get Alex Boone from the niners practice squad and see if the Rams let Alex Barron go. There are a few tackles heading into free agency this year but it'll be interesting to see if any of the good ones actually leave their teams.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I really like Cooley and Davis both, but I agree it's a waste to keep both of them. If we could get a 1st round pick for Cooley, we have to do it. The guy we draft may or may not be as good as Cooley, but will likely have more of an impact because his position isn't already filled.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Then I'd like to get Alex Boone from the niners practice squad
Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Dunno, PA17, something about this doesn't pass the sniff test. Cerrato is the king of reclamation projects and even he is passing on this guy. A good mid-season move, but less inclined to take on any more special projects at this point. fwiw.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 14, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley? You really think a 3rd or 4th is more valuable than having him paired up with Davis?

There is no way Cooley is going to net a 1st or even a 2nd. TEs are undervalued and teams overvalue the unknown commodity that a draft pick represents.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Trent Williams stock is falling badly after getting beat a lot this year. Some scouts are listing him as a right tackle only now. He may actually fall into the seocnd round. Best after the concussion may fall but I'd rather go with Spiller in the first and Ciron Black in the second. Then I'd like to get Alex Boone from the niners practice squad and see if the Rams let Alex Barron go. There are a few tackles heading into free agency this year but it'll be interesting to see if any of the good ones actually leave their teams.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

________________

Yeah, When I say Trent Williams... I see him on the right side as a mauler in the run game. I think Levi Jones could be adequate for another year at LT.

I like Spiller and if we draft him, I hope he can be an every down back... and not the next Reggie Bush.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Skins trade Cooley for some daft picks. Cooley is one of my favorite players and one of the best on the team. But Davis shows promise, Cooley is about the only player with any value, I say role with Davis and build the offensive line through the draft!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 14, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Not to "pat myself on the back" but I mentioned this a few weeks back. It's a no brainer. Davis is younger and we don't need two TE of the caliber of them. I also said to trade our first round pick for a late first additional pick. Should be able to get at worst a third for Cooley.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 14, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Dunno, PA17, something about this doesn't pass the sniff test. Cerrato is the king of reclamation projects and even he is passing on this guy. A good mid-season move, but less inclined to take on any more special projects at this point. fwiw.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 14, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

How long did it take Cerrato to get Levi Jones in here? I wouldn't say the guy is crap just because Vinny hasn't made a play for him. Singletary seemed to like him and thought he was coming along. I just think that he's worthy of a roster spot more than some of our other guys. Would it be so bad to cut Wynn and pickup Boone?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Exactly Rex...

Cushing's Stats Orakpo

Tackles Tackles
112 46

Sacks Sacks
2.5 11

FF FF
2 1

INT INT
3 0

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

trade Cooley, geez. Loyalty is dead. How many of you would have said he's your favorite player, or maybe the best player, on this squad in Sept/Oct? The man is a beast, we need some of those on offense. Rhino was a 3rd rounder, would you trade Cooley for him?

Or better yet, can anyone think of a third rounder we have selected in the last ten years you would trade Cooley for? He should stay.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 14, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Stop the trade Cooley talk you keep both, because as soon as you trade Cap'n Chaos Davis will get injured,I heard Dungy wants back in what do you think? Does Sherman Lewis come back? Orakpo looks like a sure fire pro bowler.I've been reading talk about drafting a safety(Eric Berry) what about Horton not that he's anywhere near Eric Berry but i think we would have to move up to get Berry and if Portis doesn't retire then what?

Posted by: dargregmag | December 14, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

not to mention that guys coming off season ending injuries ALWAYS fetch top dollar....book it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

draft anything BUT a QB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

OMG, someone tell Zorn not to inhale so much in the mic!!

Sounds like he could've been MUCH MORE enthusiastic about Jason. Hmmm....

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's retry this

Cushing's Stats.... Orakpo's

Tackles............Tackles
112 ................46

Sacks ..........Sacks
2.5 .............11

FF .............FF
2.............. 1

INT ............INT
3 ...............0


Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:27 P

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I like Spiller and if we draft him, I hope he can be an every down back... and not the next Reggie Bush.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 14, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy those comparisons for a second. I've been watching a lot of Spiller slip and he takes 1 cut then turns on the jets. He has a completely different style than Bush. Bush tries to freeze you in your tracks with a lot of moevment but Spiller cuts once and goes downhill. We run a lot of shotgun here and that's where I think Spiller would do the most damage. If we were in a position where we needed short yardage or someone to run out the clock we still have Ganther and what's left of Portis. I really think people need to watch him run. I wasn't sold on him earlier but now I'd draft him #6 overall.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood - Re: last thread and game time. Thanks for the update - that's what I was hoping for!

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Not to "pat myself on the back" but I mentioned this a few weeks back. It's a no brainer. Davis is younger and we don't need two TE of the caliber of them. I also said to trade our first round pick for a late first additional pick. Should be able to get at worst a third for Cooley.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan

Please, feel free to pat yourself on the back for a bad idea.

You'd rather have a 3rd than Cooley? Howd our last 3rd work out? (Rinehart)

So we trade Cooley, Yoder is 32 next year and has 2-3 years left. Davis gets hurt next year. How will that work out for us?

2 TE sets can work. In our case, they could be lethal. Plus, Davis can almost be another WR option, he doesn't have to line up in tight.

Why not have a STRENGTH??

"No-brainer". Sure. Geez guys.... not to mention the fact Cooley has been a Pro Bowl beast for us, consistent, and a good teammate. Yeah, 3rd rounder seems fair!!

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

After further review, do not trade Cooley. Tony Gonzales only garnered a 2nd round pick. Cooley is worth more to us than a 2nd round pick, if we could even get that.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

TRADE CHRIS COOLEY!
TRADE CHRIS COOLEY!
TRADE CHRIS COOLEY!
TRADE CHRIS COOLEY!
TRADE CHRIS COOLEY!
TRADE CHRIS COOLEY!
TRADE CHRIS COOLEY!

Posted by: not SIGN CHRIS COOLEY!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

to think we could've been in the playoff mix if choker didn't hack those crucial fgs, and jz assisting in the loss to sorry azz KC at home.

Posted by: bhoang888 | December 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

my brothers, wife's hairdressers sister's boyfriends brothers mechanics caddy's sisters brother told me that Cooley is getting traded for Adrian Peterson, and Jared Allen.....keep that quiet, hasn't been announced yet...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 |

Two years ago I was the first to say that was a good trade to make.

Posted by: TheCork | December 14, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Did Sonny say anything about Vinny's job security??

Posted by: p1funk

Yes....Sonny said he thinks Vinny will be back but in a "different" capacity. When ask what that might be he joked "chauffer?" - then mentioned something about Personnel.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 14, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse


Now that I think about it, I find it interesting that as much as Danny has relied on Vinny's advice and kept him close; Danny has (up to this point) not given Vinny the title of "GM".

He's always had Vinny positioned somewhere beneath that role.

Maybe it is an indicator that Danny is not completely stupid and realizes that Vinny has flaws/weaknesses that make him ill-suited to truly hand the reins of the operation to him.

Vinny has found some talent out there. But he's given out some stupid contracts, doesn't seem to have a firm grasp on a solid overall team-building philosophy, and seems to be an atrocious manager of people.

I think giving Vinny a role in personnel is the way to go AS LONG AS Danny has some other advisers around him that he's listening to over/against Vinny.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I better not see ARE back on punts on Monday night.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

nothing wrong with 2 TE's, gives you a lot of options.

line up in a 2 TE run set and shift into a 4 wide pass set and be effective from either.

no point in moving up in the draft with Danny making the pix, might as well win out and spoil.

and watch Campbell embarrass the F.O.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I better not see ARE back on punts on Monday night.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 1:36 PM

Well....if it makes you feel any better...Jim Zorn said in today's presser that he trusts ARE....just like he said trusted Shuisham the week before...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I really like Cooley and Davis both, but I agree it's a waste to keep both of them. If we could get a 1st round pick for Cooley, we have to do it. The guy we draft may or may not be as good as Cooley, but will likely have more of an impact because his position isn't already filled.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse


No team will trade a 1st rounder for Cooley. Its wishful, but foolish thinking...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I better not see ARE back on punts on Monday night.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 1:36 PM |

Agreed my kids learned a few new words when he let that first punt go, and cost us 20 some yards of field position.

When he fumbled the last punt I just laughed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 14, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

1st to say I was RIGHT. I said No to Orakpo as a OLB.


Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse


?!?!

Last I checked Orakpo plays OLB, and he's a having a defensive ROY type season.

How does that make you right?

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

i think we could have been in the playoff hunt if the fans didn't boooo the 9-7 win against the Rams and the media, especially Sonny, didn't wrongly analyze Jason 'the warrior' Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Peter King isn't the only person who is noticing the JC can play. Snyderrato may have backed themselves into a corner by essentially trying to run Campbell out of town. Now that it is apparent that he's in the upper half of QB's in the league (not elite, but good), he'll likely receive some sizable offers on the open market. I could easily see a team like Jacksonville or Carolina being good fits for him. I seriously doubt he would even consider an extension with what the Redskins put him through next year.

This offseason needs to be focused on rebuilding the O-Line which again gave poor protection too often yesterday. A top flight young RB with speed is needed as well as a fullback as Seller is 33. At least WR and TE look like positions of strength going into the offseason.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

How will Campbell "embarrass" the FO? He's playing for the same team that drafted him 5 years ago and gave him his chance.

I don't think the QB situation is solved for 2010 based on the last three weeks.

If they want to make the playoffs in 2010, they need to go into next season (if they even keep Campbell here) with a viable alternative at QB, in the event Campbell A) gets injured or B) regresses again as he did earlier this season.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that the Washington Redskins are in the process of starting exploratory trade talks for injured Tight End Chris Cooley. When asked why they would trade a pro-bowl player, both Jim Zorn, and Vinny Cerrato agreed that you can only have 1 good tight end at a time on the field, and there is no way they could find a use for 2 of them"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

is this about being fans of the skins, or "being right"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I love spiller and hope we get him, but I don't want him used as an every down back....most of the league has gone away from that concept anyway and it makes sense, make defenses prepare for guys with different skill sets and keep your backs fresh. I think a combo of Ganther, Spiller, and Mason is really strong. Even if its Ganther, Portis, and Spiller. Get Spiller around 10 carries a game, 4 or 5 targets in the passing game, and let him return punts. He'd be nasty!!!! For all the crap people give Reggie Bush, platooning with Pierre Thomas he is a weapon and returning punts he is a threat to take one to the house every time. We haven't had anything like that in years. If we can't get Spiller than I hope we can snare Noel Devine in the 4th. We need that kind of a weapon.

Every time I see Randel El catch another punt in a Redskins uniform I throw up a little in my mouth...

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 14, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

How does that make you right?

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:41 PM

BEcause HE has been unproductive at OLB position. The only time you notice him on the field is when he's getting a sack, or flies by the QB on a missed opportunity....

Not knocking him, but our need was more SAM than pass rusher.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

How will Campbell "embarrass" the FO? He's playing for the same team that drafted him 5 years ago and gave him his chance.

I don't think the QB situation is solved for 2010 based on the last three weeks.

If they want to make the playoffs in 2010, they need to go into next season (if they even keep Campbell here) with a viable alternative at QB, in the event Campbell A) gets injured or B) regresses again as he did earlier this season.

Posted by: MrRedskin21

By being 'the warrior', by being the best player on the offense, and by being better thatn Cutler-chez

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

is this about being fans of the skins, or "being right"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:42 PM |

Aren't you the one who supports JC17? What's that about?

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Trade Cooley talk?!?!

Why?!?!

If we are going to trade one of our "stars" to get back draft picks, the guy to trade is LL30.

Our offense is desperate for consistent playmakers, and you are going to trade our most reliable one?

Our defense can make up for the loss of LL30.

Safety is probably the deepest position on our roster, and as nice as LL30 has looked at times he's also proven to be very very limited in his ability to cover and his ability to "play smart". He's not the second coming of Sean Taylor.

Davis and Cooley can get on the field at the same time.

How do you play Horton, Moore, Doughty and Landry at the same time????

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

i think we could have been in the playoff hunt if the fans didn't boooo the 9-7 win against the Rams and the media, especially Sonny, didn't wrongly analyze Jason 'the warrior' Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:41 PM

Apparently, you can't break the interwebs. This is the dumbest thing ever written in the history of this "series of tubes," and it still works! You go, internets!

Posted by: 4-12 | December 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

In an amazing twist in irony Antwaan Randle El was just punted from Ashburn. His wife came out of the house and waived for a fair catch and then in a weird twist of irony watched him hit the ground and keep rolling. It is not known at this time if ARE has stopped rolling.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 14, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

How does that make you right?

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:41 PM

BEcause HE has been unproductive at OLB position. The only time you notice him on the field is when he's getting a sack, or flies by the QB on a missed opportunity....

Not knocking him, but our need was more SAM than pass rusher.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 14, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse


It's his first year EVER playing the position, and he's not been that bad.

One of the things that's working for him is that by being a LB, he's not getting worn-down and pounded by Olinemen on running plays all game. It keeps him relatively fresh and explosive when he does put his hand down to rush the passer.

If it's not broke, don't fix it.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

i think we could have been in the playoff hunt if the fans didn't boooo the 9-7 win against the Rams and the media, especially Sonny, didn't wrongly analyze Jason 'the warrior' Campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:41 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is funny. What makes it sad at the same time is that I think this cat actually BELIEVES it!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

This is funny. What makes it sad at the same time is that I think this cat actually BELIEVES it!

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse


You need to treat pabrian like a troll.

Just ignore his nincompoop statements, when you respond and make fun of him it only feeds the idiocy.

The MARTY_S_EMAILL ADD guy offered better comments to the blog than pabrian.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Just to make this weekend even better, got this email from a cowboy fan:

The Cowboys are going into their annual December slide...It sucks to be a Cowboys fan right now. :-(

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 14, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

JC is a RFA and should never see the open market. They need to tender him and if another team makes him an offer and we refuse to match then we would receive compensation. I'd go with either the 1st or 2nd level, deciding not to tender JC would be irresponsible.

Compensation required
Level 1 First- and third-round
Level 2 First-round
Level 3 Second-round
Level 4 Determined by RFA's original draft status

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

is this about being fans of the skins, or "being right"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:42 PM |

Aren't you the one who supports JC17? What's that about?

Posted by: 4thFloor

that's about a 14th best 89.0 qb rating and a 65% comp rate through 13 weeks

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

ARE has zero confidence returning punts this season. Otherwise, his fair catch signals wouldn't result in letting the ball roll 20 yards past him.

If you wave your hand, they can'd hit you!!!

I digress...Who's elite in the NFC right now? Brees. McNabb. Favre. Warner. Ryan when healthy).

I'd take JC over any of the other QB's in the NFC right now. That includes Homo and baby Eli. There is no better option in 2010 than Campbell. Find me one and don't say a 1st round pick. Sanchez just proved again how poor juniors play in the NFL.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Just read the Steinberg Hate-fest regarding ARE...

...got nothing to say in his defense.

The move is to cut him, and elevate DT11, MK12 and MM84 on the depth chart.

With the young receivers stepping up, it takes pressure of off Moss in the passing game, and he can become a full-time punt returner.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

JC is a RFA and should never see the open market. They need to tender him and if another team makes him an offer and we refuse to match then we would receive compensation. I'd go with either the 1st or 2nd level, deciding not to tender JC would be irresponsible.

Compensation required
Level 1 First- and third-round
Level 2 First-round
Level 3 Second-round
Level 4 Determined by RFA's original draft status


Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse


The difference between a level one and two is about 300k. He needs to be tendered for sure. Even if a "QB of the future" is drafted, no sense in starting him as a rookie. That only works 10% of the time and with the Skins luck, we won't fall into that 10% range.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Find me one and don't say a 1st round pick. Sanchez just proved again how poor juniors play in the NFL.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 1:57 PM |
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Not sure what this means. Sanchez didn't play yesterday, Clemens did. And the Jets won.

But in any event, Sanchez is a rookie, yet he's on a 7-6 team that still has playoff hopes.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

that's about a 14th best 89.0 qb rating and a 65% comp rate through 13 weeks

Posted by: pabrian2003 |

I have posted the last couple weeks JC is playing better, however, the other stat you left out Pabrian, a 4-9 W-L record.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Even with all the turmoil, let's look at the raw numbers for JC. What we see is the maturation of a solid NFL quarterback.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/407793/jason-campbell

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I have posted the last couple weeks JC is playing better, however, the other stat you left out Pabrian, a 4-9 W-L record.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

He didn't leave it out. He's just not dumb enough to try to evaluate a single player with a team stat. Rex Grossman must be a stud in your eyes.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Zeke --- HAHAHA on the Dallas Cowgirl fan. They get what they deserve, and you can tell him it ALWAYS SUCKS to be a Cowturd fan. It just sucks more in December.

Now that the offense is untracked, I dream of the Redskins dropping 45 points on Dallas and knocking them out of the playoffs. Please Santa, I want a total, humiliating, emasculating thrashing of the Dallas Cowboys at FedEx!

I HATE Dallas. I hate their overweight, mentally challenged fans. I hate their under-talented, over-lucked QB. I hate their whiny "8-4 is a winning team" -- unless it's Dallas, you loser -- Pillsbury Doughboy of a coach. And I detest their lizard lipped, botoxed, face lifted (that's NOT A GOATEE), hillbilly coach-em-up owner.

Duck Fallas!

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Have you watched Sanchez play? They win in spite of him on that team! If JC was their quarterback with that line, they'd be 10-3.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

"trade Cooley, geez. Loyalty is dead. How many of you would have said he's your favorite player, or maybe the best player, on this squad in Sept/Oct? The man is a beast, we need some of those on offense. Rhino was a 3rd rounder, would you trade Cooley for him?"

He's never been my favorite player nor have I ever thought he was the best player on the team. It was foolish to draft Davis after we locked Cooley up, now we have both of them and major needs along the oline.

Rhino is exactly why you have to draft/aquire a slew of lineman to end up with a few solid/great ones. We cant allot 2 picks in the draft to olineman and think that takes care of the problem.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

For the life of me I do not understand this talk of trading Cooley. Who says both TE's can't play? They haven't even tried it yet. As a former QB (high school) myself, I loved the match up mis-match this set always created. Plus if there's one thing this team should have learned this year, it is the importance of depth. If having two talented TE's on a team is a problem, then its a problem I'd love to have. I know its one Jason or whomever our QB will be next year, would love to have. I always loved dropping back and seeing the Wheel on one TE and the SAM on the other TE trying desperately to cover in space. Folks, trust me, its a GOOD THING to have this "predicament".

Posted by: clark202 | December 14, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

There are three games left. Let's see how well the players and coaches do at home against division rivals.

I am not in favor of suddenly saying JC is Da Man of the future, re-sign him at all costs and don't even think you could "find anyone better" (fast becoming the most used line up here).

Offer Campbell a one-year deal, if he takes it great. But this FO MUST either sign a FA QB or draft QB who provides a viable alternative if Campbell ends up getting injured or does not perform well.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Just curious, has anyone heard anything from the coaching staff about the decision to move LL30 back to strong safety?

It looks like they've decided to give up on the FS project...not that I'm complaining...

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"...nothing wrong with 2 TE's, gives you a lot of options...."

They sure do.

I'd like to see Cooley used as an end with Davis 'flexed' to force a team to take a safety/linebacker out of the box to cover him.

That opens up the run game.

In any event, it gives the offense options.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

65, yup 4-9, you think its Campbells fault, I don't

Check his stats after the bye, they're outstanding

There are 18 NFL teams with QBs not doing as well as JC, if we lose him we will be one of those teams next year

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"Even with all the turmoil, let's look at the raw numbers for JC. What we see is the maturation of a solid NFL quarterback."

spot-on, and the most critical thing we have to hope the FO understands. Everyday somebody should shove Cutler/Sanchez stats in Danny's face.

JC has now been through the mother-effing ringer! Anything less than an all out jailbreak rush no longer phases him, and it's clear with halfway decent time he makes the plays. He's now consistently evading the rush and making throws, scrambling for 1st etc. And he's 28 or whatever.

gotta keep him

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon is positive Zorn is gone, and he has frequent chats with Danny. Hmmm...

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 14, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

He didn't leave it out. He's just not dumb enough to try to evaluate a single player with a team stat. Rex Grossman must be a stud in your eyes.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17


typical classless PA person.
All stats in football can be argued to be team stats. Completions are due to more than JC right Einstein? How about TD's? WR's need to run the right routes and the QB needs to throw to the right spot and the line needs to block..... I can go on and on...

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Offer Campbell a one-year deal, if he takes it great. But this FO MUST either sign a FA QB or draft QB who provides a viable alternative if Campbell ends up getting injured or does not perform well.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:09 PM

JC is a RFA. All the FO needs to do is tender him and that is in a sense a one year contract.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Why call a timeout with 1:20+ on the clock?!? We left them with 50+ seconds to run down the field.

I know it's nit-picky.. but this is what loomed large when we were loosing, and it's still there....

FJZ?

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse
Yes, DS, I was screaming at the TV. 1:23 in the half, with at least 2 time outs remaining. Plenty of time, ball in or near the red zone. Run the ball first, get under a minute, get a first down, then use your TO's to score a TD. Milk the clock to under 30 secs. Somebody, and I presume it's JZ, needs a lesson in clock management.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Every player is tradable. They all have trade value. You just gotta be smart and get your worth. That's where Vinny screws it up. Hopefully they don't do anything b4 our new head coach gets here.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

jets had #1 rushing attack up until Sat, Sanchez got benched

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

He didn't leave it out. He's just not dumb enough to try to evaluate a single player with a team stat. Rex Grossman must be a stud in your eyes.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse


Yeah. It's not like wins-losses are an important stat in football. The important stuff are things like QB ratings.

At least Rex Grossman has led a team to a Superbowl game.

Frankly I'd take that over a nice completion percentage.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"For the life of me I do not understand this talk of trading Cooley. Who says both TE's can't play? They haven't even tried it yet."

what were they waiting for? a season and a half with both healthy but we didnt see it.

No one is saying having 2 good TEs is bad thing.

But having 2 good TEs and a crap oline stinks, we just saw it this year. The idea is not that Cooley is bad or whatever, it's that we need help on the oline and if we can get it through moving him (or davis really) then it's the smart move.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Of the 9 losses, JC didn't do much to win most of those games, hence the valid criticism. I'm not suggesting he's the only one at fault, but QB's get most of the credit and blame. It comes with the position. Bill Parcells has been often quoted as saying a QB's most imporatnt stat is getting his team inside the endzone for TD's. Those 9 losses, not enough TD's were made, period.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

You can never have too many good players. You can have too much money tied up in too few positions.

If they were thinking about trading, why not MK12? Starting to show real potential, and expect they could get a legit second round for the guy, and if it's a high second rounder it might be worth it.

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 14, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

jets had #1 rushing attack up until Sat, Sanchez got benched

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 2:15 PM |
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Sanchez didn't play against Tampa Bay because he was held out due to a knee injury (although he wanted to play).

And Rex Ryan said earlier today he thinks Sanchez will start this coming week.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

But having 2 good TEs and a crap oline stinks, we just saw it this year. The idea is not that Cooley is bad or whatever, it's that we need help on the oline and if we can get it through moving him (or davis really) then it's the smart move.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse


How about we get Olinemen by moving 1 of our 4 safeties, instead of moving 1 of our 2 TEs??

The man to trade is LL30.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

All stats in football can be argued to be team stats. Completions are due to more than JC right Einstein? How about TD's? WR's need to run the right routes and the QB needs to throw to the right spot and the line needs to block..... I can go on and on...


Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

That's a lazy argument. Anyway the fundamental flaw in your logic is that all player stats can be considered team stats but not all team stats can be player stats. There's no way you can look at a win loss record and make a statement about 1 single player.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

There's no way you can look at a win loss record and make a statement about 1 single player.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:20 PM |
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When that player is a QB, you sure can.

Under Romo, Cowboys are 5-10 in December.

Under Phillip Rivers, Chargers are 16-0 in December.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

All stats in football can be argued to be team stats. Completions are due to more than JC right Einstein? How about TD's? WR's need to run the right routes and the QB needs to throw to the right spot and the line needs to block..... I can go on and on...

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:13 PM

Are you arguing with your self '65?

Posted by: mack1 | December 14, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Of the 9 losses, JC didn't do much to win most of those games, hence the valid criticism. I'm not suggesting he's the only one at fault, but QB's get most of the credit and blame. It comes with the position. Bill Parcells has been often quoted as saying a QB's most imporatnt stat is getting his team inside the endzone for TD's. Those 9 losses, not enough TD's were made, period.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse


Your position is quite fair.

Especially when you consider that last year and this year we have top-10 ranked defenses. That side of the ball is holding its own.

Our problem by-and-large has been on the offensive side of the ball. Not scoring enough points.

To insulate JC17 from criticism for failing to score points in the offense is ludicrous.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"Of the 9 losses, JC didn't do much to win most of those games".

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of NO and PHI, in both of those games the offense scored enough, late enough in the game to win. Those were on the defense. I could say the same for Dallas: yes, the offense didn't get into the end zone. But the un-lamented SS missed a chip shot, and the defense allowed a game winning TD drive at the end of the game.

The Redskins win those 3, and they're 7-6, having scored more points every week for the last 3.

And of course, it's just coincidence, RON JAWORSKI, that JZ is no longer calling plays. You can spin that however you want, bottom line is they're doing better without JZ's playcalling. Good move on Snyder's part.

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

PA. I agree to disagree without resorting to low class inuendo. If JC had done his job better, earlier, the Skins wouldn't have only 4 wins. IMHO.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Of the 9 losses, JC didn't do much to win most of those games, hence the valid criticism. I'm not suggesting he's the only one at fault, but QB's get most of the credit and blame. It comes with the position. Bill Parcells has been often quoted as saying a QB's most imporatnt stat is getting his team inside the endzone for TD's. Those 9 losses, not enough TD's were made, period.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

nice to see the Campbell critics easing up. If he beats ny and Dallas I imagine these folks will turn into big supporters. I hope he ends all doubt by seasons end.

Nothing against parcells, but for all the reverence to that guy, how many championships has he won since 1986? He seems to be good at taking godawful teams and making them respectable, but has trouble creating consistent winners.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Under Romo, Cowboys are 5-10 in December.

Under Phillip Rivers, Chargers are 16-0 in December.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Under Rex Grossman the Bears went to the super bowl.

Under Drew Brees the Saints went 8-8 last year.

Sonny has a worse record than Kyle Orton.

See how that works? It doesn't. Win loss is a stupid way to evaluate a single player but it's all you have left in you're JC haters club.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

If they were thinking about trading, why not MK12? Starting to show real potential, and expect they could get a legit second round for the guy, and if it's a high second rounder it might be worth it.

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 14, 2009 2:18 PM

More likely a 5th or 6th. He has bad knees and hasn't exactly lit it up in his 2 years.

Why would you think we could get equal or better value than where he was unfortunately drafted 2 years ago. This for a guy with injury concerns and guy that can't beat out 82.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

divi, I'm gonna write slow, so even YOU can understand:

No one is trading for an injured player...do you get this concept, or are you that dense to not understand it??

CC's injury DIMINISH'S his value, so if the MOST you could have gotten was a 3rd, its now down-graded to a 4th. So you're trading Cooley for a 3rd or 4th round pick. You're weakening a strenght.

Do you understand how GALACTICALLY STUPID this is??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

As long as he keeps sacking the QB he can look like bigfoot.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 14, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse
LOL. To Jamarcus Russell, I'm sure he did look like Bigfoot.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

To insulate JC17 from criticism for failing to score points in the offense is ludicrous.

Posted by: p1funk | December 14, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

We're not insulating him from criticism. We're simply not blaming him for the losses. He makes mistakes sure but to say he's a bigger problem than our offensive line and play calling is just stupid.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Dirty" Sanchez has the benefit of playing behind an OL composed of all first-round picks, and a great running game. His play is, and his statistics are, miserable. Awful. Pathetic. Rookie-like.

Jason Campbell has that offense, and he's golden.

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 14, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"Good enough to win" is a meaningless phrase designed to bring comfort to losers.

I guarantee you some Dallas fans are saying "Romo played well enough to win" right now, and Falcons fans are saying they played well enough to win yesterday, and Bears fans (they blew a 4th quarter lead), and yada, yada, yada.

This team has won 4 games. Period. And as happy as I was to watch that game yesterday, it was the Raiders, it was JaMarcus Russell, and it was too little, too late for this season.

However, if they show me that sort of play against NY and Dallas, I'll start to believe they may be making progress.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

if you have the 14th best QB on the planet, you keep him unless you can get a QB that is 13th or better.

Logic

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The idea that a dissenting viewpoint even a "mainstream" view would be followed by a lable like "hater" is ludicrous. Some in the not too distant past slaughtered those with different opinions.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of stats.......Dallas sux in December. That's the only game left on our schedule that I want to win. Don't want to hurt our draft status. And how bout our new kicker? His first field goal made as a Redskin was double the distance of Suishams last attempt.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 14, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

People on this site are crazy!!!!
Trade Cooley and don't sign Campbell.Come-On
The skins need CC back, and they need to bring JC back, JC is only going to improve

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | December 14, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Under Rex Grossman the Bears went to the super bowl.

Under Drew Brees the Saints went 8-8 last year.

Sonny has a worse record than Kyle Orton.

See how that works? It doesn't. Win loss is a stupid way to evaluate a single player but it's all you have left in you're JC haters club.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:28 PM |
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You're comparing Campbell to a player (Jurgensen) from 50 years ago...lol

Moreover, you can't change the fact that Campbell has won NOTHING (he and Romo share that unfortunate quality).

Therefore he doesn't have a "right" to anything in this league.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

So you think Tony Romo is at fault when they ran it 5 times in a row with MBIII? I guess Romo should have handed the ball off better.... See that's the problem. You can't just throw your hands up in the air and blame the QB. You actually have to do some work. You have to analyze the situation. Dallas has issues at WR, RB, and play calling. Roy Williams sucks and is by all accounts a free agent bust. MBIII hasn't been the same since he got burt in week 2 and their play calling has been abysmal. So your solution to fix that team is to....Get a new QB?

How about the Saints last year? They were 8-8. Would you have gotten a new QB instead of fixing the secondary?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I always got the feeling that JC threw to Cooley grudgingly. Like, well ok, here ya go...(darn)

Posted by: sugarstreet | December 14, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Campbells the warrior, face it

Like him or not we should at least tender him an offer so if we lose him we get compensatory picks

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 14, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I ragged as hard as anyone on Soup this year. Seriously, tho. Who has a problem with him now?

His playing is worlds above where it was even at the home Iggles loss.

It was nice to see the light come on. Now if we can just keep him upright!

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"No one is trading for an injured player...do you get this concept, or are you that dense to not understand it??"

we trade for and draft injured players, surely we're not the only idiots out there.

besides, cooley is one of the most popular players in the NFL. Just look how peeps like you goe ape-crap over the idea of him not being here. Surely we can find some sucker to give a pick, or a solid player in return.

He's the greatest TE in the history of the NFL afterall

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, & 4th - I'll claim the Bingo Bandwagon driver seat. I've even championed him for the HC position.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I think its funny how all the JC haters are looking at the simplest possible factor, wins and losses, and putting it all on JC's shoulders. As if he's the only factor, as if he can single handedly win every game for them if he so chooses.

All the people who actually dig into the statistics and watch all the factors that also effect JC, and effect the game as a whole, those people support JC.

My point is JC haters are simpletons.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"All the people who actually dig into the statistics and watch all the factors that also effect JC, and effect the game as a whole, those people support JC."

At points this season we were fielding as bad an oline as has ever been assembled in the NFL, and at those times, no qb is going to play particularly well or win many games.

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My point is JC haters are simpletons.

Posted by: REXskins | December 14, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Now the question is who makes the decisions? O crap it's the simpletons!! I'm not buying a Tebow jersey and that's final!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

tebow....ugh. I thought we learned our lesson about Gators in the pros....

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 14, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

How about the Saints last year? They were 8-8. Would you have gotten a new QB instead of fixing the secondary?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 14, 2009 2:36 PM |
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Drew Brees (and this is just since he went to the Saints):

2006 26 TDs 11 INT
2007 28 TDs 18 INT
2008 34 TDs 17 INT
2009 32 TDs 10 INT

Yeah, those are real Campbellesque numbers.

You're a fool, because you continually set yourself up to be smacked down by your own comparisons...lol

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 14, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

mrredskin21

"Therefore he (J Campbell)doesn't have a "right" to anything in this league."

This is true.

No NFL player is guaranteed anything.

But I like what Jason Campbell has earned so far.

Folks say he hasn't won on his own, and yesterday, he pulled the ball down, and ran into the open spaces made by d-backs too busy playing tight coverage to look around.

He got hit, got up, and made throws.

He suddenly has become as accurate as any quarterback in the league not named Brees or Manning.

His play is improving as the younger players around him are gaining confidence.

Campbell is and should be the face of the franchise next season--not the guy who dresses up in costumes or the blonde tight end.

The announcer C Davis pointed out that the skins are professional players in a franchise where the ownership has been anything but at times.

And the leader of the "How To Conduct Yourself Professionally When Folks Hate You" squad is Jason Campbell.

He's being a man while his detractors prefer snarky syllogisms and silly reasoning.

And whereas other might not want to, I accord him my respect for professionally putting up with the pounding and negativity he's received all year.

And that respect, is guaranteed.

After all, he's earned it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

the foolish thing is constantly comparing JC to the 3-4 best qbs in the entire league ever year.

The obvious fact now is it would be almost impossible to upgrade over JC this offseason.

or maybe cutler will be available again?????

Posted by: divi3 | December 14, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

My 2 cents on JC. As much as I like him, it really based on potential. I say that because every year, JC has gotten a little better, and I think his play will increase considerably the more experience he has in one offense, and with better players in front of him. IMO I'd sign him to a multi-year deal commensurate with the pay of his peers (Orton, Cutler, Schaub etc) w/ incentives included that would pay him better. If the FO chooses to just tender him, and risk having to shell out more if JC blows up (and saving if he doesn't) i think that's fair. After all, JC hasn't really put together a year of consistently above average production at the QB spot. However, if the past month doesn't excite you with the possibilities of JC growing with the young WRs, then you're not really being open minded about this subject.

Posted by: TWISI | December 14, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

nice to see the Campbell critics easing up. If he beats ny and Dallas I imagine these folks will turn into big supporters. I hope he ends all doubt by seasons end.

Nothing against parcells, but for all the reverence to that guy, how many championships has he won since 1986? He seems to be good at taking godawful teams and making them respectable, but has trouble creating consistent winners.

Posted by: AdamCr | December 14, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Are people not entitled to change their minds? I mean, until Jason Campbell leads the team to several 4th quarter come from behind wins, until he gets the team into the playoffs and wins, and until he brings home a championship we who believe he is incapable of that are right, and those that do are wrong. If he does then obviously everyone will change their minds about him. I for one was absolutely clamoring for him when Brunel was our starter. I was happy they switched to him and for the first year and a half or so I completely bought into the whole he's young, new systems, lack of weapons, and so on excuses for him. .

But after the debacle of last season's collapse and this year I think he's an average at best QB and won't take us anywhere of substance long term. That said I think he's better than any free agent option that will be available and I don't think any of the QBs coming out in year one are going to be an improvement either. I'm all for re-signing him to a incentive laden deal and keeping him while fixing other issues first. (however if I'm Jason I hope the first train smoking out of this franchise) But everyone knocked Eli until he won, people knocked Peyton until he won, people are knocking Big Ben and he has one, people are getting on Brady and he's won and JC hasn't had anywhere near their success and he's been in the league 5 years already. Until he wins games and gets in the playoffs he deserves all the critics he has. Based on team performance and win loss records he's a below average QB, make all the excuses you want for him but understand that you're arguing against the evidence and all you have are if's and maybe's to say that he's a winner.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 14, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh keepers of the flame for JC...

Please explain how an inferior line is suddenly good enough to block for RBs and Jason Campbell against the defenses of good teams

or MIGHT it be...

once the Skins are ELIMINATED from post season contention...Campbell starts to shine statistically.

Seems like we've seen this movie before, doesn't it?

Do you keep re-watching Titanic and expect the ship to try a different route, or miss the iceberg entirely?

The answers to improving this team and establishing long term success:

1) Acquire & hire qualified GM

2) Have qualified GM select new Head Coach

3) GM & HC hire assistants and the whole group sit down and assess the roster.

Some decisions are universal and can be addressed (in terms of planning, scouting, crunching numbers) now [O-Line, CB, MLB depth], but addressing QB and offensive "skill position" players before a new regieme is in place ot the revamperd version of this staff is announced will only serve to keep this team...

"Same as it ever was, same as it ever was..."

Barring a GM acquisition, to patch this mess:

The O-line needs more upgrading & fine tuning [an LT & a C], a cover corner needs to be acquired (draft or F/A) to play opposite D-Hall, some free-agents need to be re-signed [Lorenzo Alexander looming largely amongst them], and depth and youth at LB & FB need to be addressed.

That is all.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | December 14, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Nobody has answered my challenge. Who can you bring in that's better than JC next season? Nobody, that's who. It's nice to see Sanchez get the bashing he deserves on this site though. He's improved every single year with a garbage line and no true game breakers. Draft a junior QB and you get what you deserve. Trash.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Bradford - Junior
Locker - Junior
Claussen - Junior
Tebow - Hback
McCoy - Alex Smith again...


I don't like any of these guys over JC next year or the year after that. Any FA's that are better than Campbell? NOPE! He can be a 11-12 win a year QB with the right players and line around him. Which, by the way, we've never given him.

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 14, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I am a transplanted Redskins fan on a hill south of Syracuse surrounded by Giants and 18 miles from the Jets training camp. I am also a Zorn fan originally from Seattle. Keep Cooley and Davis. In fact, keep the entire team and all coaches. Draft the best two offensive linemen and get a GM like Casserly, who never should have left in the first place. Or if Holmgren does not return to the Seahawks, get him. And I am delighted Jake Locker will remain at the UW. Both Washingtons will be great next year.

Posted by: Courtney44 | December 14, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

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