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Zorn's Sox, M. Williams's Weight, The Longshot

Despite organized team activities, the offseason -- when you guys traditionally do the heavy lifting -- is upon us. So, while your man Zach Berman monitors the OTAs at Redskins Park, let's catch up on some randoms.

There were some playoff pux in la ciudad last night and it brought out the coach of the maroon-and-black. He rocked the roja (hey, it's Cinco de Mayo), proudly displaying his red sox to Dan "Cheeseboy/dcsportsbog/Ida's dad" Steinberg.:

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There also was a bit of a makeout session, Steinberg reports, between Jim Zorn and his wife, Joy, who took advantage of the kisscam to plant a big one on the coach. In other football news from the pux, Steinberg reports that Ravens Coach John Harbaugh drew more boos than cheers,

Since you're all a bit concerned with offensive linemen, it made sense for your guy Berman to check in with your other guy Mike Williams as he strives to drop the poundage and stay on with the Redskins.

"The thing I saw when we worked him out, he can change directions with 410 pounds pretty well," Zorn said. "My charge to him is being able to do that 70 times a game, 16 games and some playoff games as well. We have to get him down just so we can get that."

Also, give Les Carpenter's piece on Maryland's Dane Randolph, the longshot we've been chronicling through the draft, a read. Randolph went to minicamp last weekend in Green Bay and was signed (as was OL Dean Muhtadi).

By Cindy Boren  |  May 5, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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Posted by: bbrown4 | May 5, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: bbrown4 | May 5, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

john claytons report regarding our FIRST minicamp and orakpo......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4135310

Posted by: mafreeman | May 5, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

ma, can you paraphrase what clayton had to say??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Just reading a Lions blog to check up on what they think of my boy Stafford

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 4:34 PM |

And is it fair to say that the Lions have a bit of buyer's remorse after his performance in mini camp?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

greg,

From Clayton
4. The Washington Redskins have a completely different plan for first-round choice Brian Orakpo than some people expected. At the Redskins' minicamp, Orakpo was used as the starting strongside linebacker. The plan is for him to blitz from the strong side on first and second downs. On passing downs, he will line up at right defensive end next to Albert Haynesworth, the former Tennessee Titans star who appeared dominating at his first Redskins camp. Orakpo was drafted to rush the passer. The surprise is that he won't just be doing it from a defensive end position.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 5, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Still waiting for Jim Zorn to show up to a practice one day dressed in his own Redskins Jersey... Preferably one where he is wearing his old number and they just write Coach on the back.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

beantown,

he basically talked about the top 8 interesting mini camps that he saw out of 26. we ranked number 4. here is what he said:

4. The Washington Redskins have a completely different plan for first-round choice Brian Orakpo than some people expected.

At the Redskins' minicamp, Orakpo was used as the starting strongside linebacker. The plan is for him to blitz from the strong side on first and second downs. On passing downs, he will line up at right defensive end next to Albert Haynesworth, the former Tennessee Titans star who appeared dominating at his first Redskins camp. Orakpo was drafted to rush the passer. The surprise is that he won't just be doing it from a defensive end position.

Posted by: mafreeman | May 5, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Thanks guys.

I like it, I thought if they just lined up Orakpo at DE, they'd be under-utilizing his talents.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Thanks guys.

I like it, I thought if they just lined up Orakpo at DE, they'd be under-utilizing his talents.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:25 AM

I hope they'll give him a few reps at WR. Why not? Everyone else except Jason Campbell has tried the position.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

'...The Washington Redskins have a completely different plan for first-round choice Brian Orakpo than some people expected...'


Who expected Orakpo to play defensive end when the glaring need for a slb blinded even Stevie Wonder?

Clayton observations--like so many things from ESPN--are star driven. It all reads like Entertainment Tonight, except instead of liberal rich actors, we get breathless gossip about giant footall players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it time for Matlock for you te??

Don't you have an early dinner to catch or something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it time for Matlock for you te??

Don't you have an early dinner to catch or something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:42 AM |

I'm sitting in the Honda dealer's waiting for them to service my ride.

Okay, I can't fool you. I'm at the Scooter Store, seeing if they can qualify me under Medicare. I wish they'd just take bonus points.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jontp007 | May 5, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"And is it fair to say that the Lions have a bit of buyer's remorse after his performance in mini camp?

Posted by: talent_evaluator"

not the impression I got. Seems they are comfortable with Daunte starting right now and ideally would like Stafford to sit a year, but it looks like they think he'll take over as starter at some point in year 1. They're just concerned that they have a bad running game and a bad offensive line, so their QB regardless will be getting crushed. They'd rather have a vet QB getting crushed than their highly paid rookie QB, since they're scared it might hurt his pysche.

In practice, apparently Stafford started out slow on day 1, but got comfortable and looked okay-to-good depending on who you ask as the day wore on. He can make all the throws, anyone can tell you that, just depends how he'll manage a game and if he can make the throws in crunch time.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Stafford = Joey Harrington Pt2?

Thoughts?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jontp007 | May 5, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jontp007 | May 5, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

john claytons report regarding our FIRST minicamp and orakpo......

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4135310

Posted by: mafreeman | May 5, 2009 10:05 AM

What a bunch of crapola. First Clayton says: "Players aren't allowed to wear pads. No hitting is allowed." Then he says: "Haynesworth, the former Tennessee Titans star who appeared dominating at his first Redskins camp ..." So how is the dude going to be dominating if there are no pads and hitting is not allowed? Did he bring his long pole with him to camp?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 5, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What a great story if Williams can make the team and provide a significant contribution.
I like it.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | May 5, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jontp007 | May 5, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone bother to read what Clayton wrote about Matt Stafford? Wow, TheTruth is gonna be crushed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4135310

After the last few drafts, Detroit needed to come up big this year, but now it looks like this franchise is as bankrupt as Chrysler. The Lions' staff came away scratching their heads after seeing Matt Stafford. One coach said that he "Put the Dog in Bulldog." The best reaction was that he's "a project." He reported 45 pounds overweight, about as bloated as General Motors. He missed his first six throws, and asked repeatedly, "Where's Roy Williams" as if he didn't realize the guy had been traded. Maybe he meant it as a joke, but no one was laughing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

So how is the dude going to be dominating if there are no pads and hitting is not allowed?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 5, 2009 10:52 AM |

He ran into them with his Ferrari?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

OOPS meant Mike williams on the earlier post...But I like the upgrade to the recieving corps too.

Posted by: skinsfan0524 | May 5, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

jontp007
Its getting annoying quick. They don't read this blog for advice dude. They have their own blog for that.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Stafford = Joey Harrington Pt2?

Thoughts?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 10:47 AM

Definitely. Both have strong arms but cannot throw tight spirals. Dummies think that if a QB has a strong arm he is the next John Elway. They don't realize a that a strong grip on the ball and a strong wrist is just as if not more important than a strong arm.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 5, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"Stafford = Joey Harrington Pt2? Thoughts?
Posted by: alex35332"

Just a superficial one: Joey's about as different from Stafford as you can get. He's a short passer, for one. He's very mobile, for another, and not at all averse to taking off with the ball if he can't find a receiver.


Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I like it, I thought if they just lined up Orakpo at DE, they'd be under-utilizing his talents.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:25 AM

Yeah, but my only beef with this is that the focus should be on getting him acclimated to playing at NFL speed against NFL level talent. It seems it would be best to bring him along slowly and then get cute with how you use him. If he can take it all at once then great, but I hope they're not neutralizing their own guy by having him play two different positions on two different sides of the field.

As for Larry Foote--no thanks. A 3-4 MLB does NOT necessarily equal a 4-3 SLB. Besides, dude is from Michigan and is making a beeline for Detroit...been talking about it since the Super Bowl.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 5, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

couple Skins-related items from Peter King today :

"Quote of the Week III
"One thing I was kind of upset about is it makes you feel like you're a bad quarterback, someone who's not wanted or something. But at the same time, it makes you a stronger person.''
-- Washington quarterback Jason Campbell, who in the span of one month has had his team nearly trade for one replacement (Jay Cutler) and then nearly trade up to draft another (Mark Sanchez)."


"Tweet of the Week
"Maclin and Crabtree are top 20 picks but Harrell and Daniel, the guys who throw to them, are 'system guys?' I don't buy it.''
-- Tweet from rodhartwig, who is Rodney Hartwig of Phoenix, on Twitter, referring to undrafted quarterbacks Graham Harrell of Texas Tech and Chase Daniel of Missouri, both of whom went undrafted."


Interesting point on that second one, I hadn't really thought about it. Our new guy Chase Daniel (Church of Chase baby) threw to Maclin, who went in the first.

I think Chase is better than Colt, but I also think Colt is Zorn's "guy" behind Campbell (they played golf together, all that), so I don't know what'll happen with Chase. Too bad, I think Chase has more potential than Colt.


also, if you're interested, pretty interesting breakdown of Philly's draft this year and how each trade back developed and whatnot. Pretty good stuff and it raises an interesting point. I saw teams trading next year's 6th for this year's 7th, next year's 2nd for this year's 3rd, even next year's 1st for this year's 2nd.

Here's an idea, why not start with our 7th rounder and every year just keep trading this year's pick for next year's higher round pick? Eventually that 7th will turn into a 1st if things keep going like that. And just stick to your guns with it, unless someone you really want is there when that 7th pick is a 2nd or 3rd. Just a random though, wonder if anyone has ever done that. Sounds like Philly is thinking that way right now.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Did anyone bother to read what Clayton wrote about Matt Stafford? Wow, TheTruth is gonna be crushed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4135310

After the last few drafts, Detroit needed to come up big this year, but now it looks like this franchise is as bankrupt as Chrysler. The Lions' staff came away scratching their heads after seeing Matt Stafford. One coach said that he "Put the Dog in Bulldog." The best reaction was that he's "a project." He reported 45 pounds overweight, about as bloated as General Motors. He missed his first six throws, and asked repeatedly, "Where's Roy Williams" as if he didn't realize the guy had been traded. Maybe he meant it as a joke, but no one was laughing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:53 AM "

1) Yeah, I'll kill myself if a former UGA player doesn't dominate in the NFL.

2) Did you make that quote up? I went to the link and can't see it anywhere. If so, lol.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but my only beef with this is that the focus should be on getting him acclimated to playing at NFL speed against NFL level talent. It seems it would be best to bring him along slowly and then get cute with how you use him. If he can take it all at once then great, but I hope they're not neutralizing their own guy by having him play two different positions on two different sides of the field.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 5, 2009 11:06 AM |

Do you have a specific example in mind of where they "neutralized their own guy"?

How would you find out whether he can play LB and DE unless you try him?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

truth, Jonathan Sullivan comes to mind....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

There's plenty.

Unfortunately for clowns like talent_evaluator, it doesn't bother me. It does bother me when a hustle player like David Pollack almost gets paralyzed and has to leave the game forever.

But I don't get overly invested in the successes or failures of those guys. You think I'm gonna cry if Stafford gets cut next year? Dude has 41 mil to lean back on, I think he'll be okay.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

QUESTION: So how is the dude going to be dominating if there are no pads and hitting is not allowed?

ANSWER: He ran into them with his Ferrari?


hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah--hell!

The only telling issue when guys aren't hitting is seven on seven passing drills.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

2) Did you make that quote up? I went to the link and can't see it anywhere. If so, lol.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 11:16 AM

You got me, truth. Stafford may have put the "dog" in Bulldog, but I put the "bull" in there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: jontp007 | May 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Stafford = Joey Harrington Pt2? Thoughts?
Posted by: alex35332"

I watched Stafford have some good games and I saw him have bad games. I think he will initially struggle adapting to the speed of the game. Even though there are good defenses in the SEC, its no comparison to facing a defense like ours or the Giants or Jared Allen chasing him.

Posted by: will_ga | May 5, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

You got me, truth. Stafford may have put the "dog" in Bulldog, but I put the "bull" in there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse
teehee, t_e. LMAO

Posted by: frediefritz | May 5, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

SEC > NFC EAST

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Truth thats like thinking a AAA baseball is better then the NL East.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

***drive by****

WTF is the Truth on? His name is a parady with in a parady


***Drive by ended with no innocent bystanders hit****

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 5, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Do you have a specific example in mind of where they "neutralized their own guy"?

How would you find out whether he can play LB and DE unless you try him?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 11:18 AM

Not any one player in specific, but this team has a long history under Snyder of overestimating what someone is capable of doing in their first year with the team. Not just rookies, but veterans alike. Getting a guy up to speed with "The Redskin way" (don't laugh) takes awhile. I'm pretty sure most folks here would take Lamar Woodley in a heartbeat...he was a situational guy in Pittsburgh and as a rookie took a year to learn how to play OLB in a 3-4 (he was a DE in college) and was a BEAST last season after getting a chance to learn. Obviously the Skins don't have that same flexibility since there's no depth at DE or LB, but I think a similar approach to developing Orakpo is better in the long run.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 5, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Steve Spurrier has ever produced a decent QB in the NFL? There's a local kid here who's agreed to go to South Carolina & I'd much rather he went to Alabama!

Connor Shaw bio
POS.: Quarterback
HGT./WGT.: 6-foot-1, 198
HIGH SCHOOL: Flowery Branch (Ga.) High
40-TIME: 4.53
KEY STATS: Passed for 2,200 yards and 22 TDs as a junior while rushing for 941 yards and 11 TDs.

Not bad for a 17 year old!

Posted by: will_ga | May 5, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

In Truth's defense, there are probably more successful former Dawgs in the NFL than failures.

To be brief, start with H Walker, and end at C Bailey.

Throw in R Hampton, Hines Ward, and Richard Seymour in between.

And we'll never know how good Robert Edwards would have been.

UGA produces quality pro players--it's just that none of them leave college with memories of beating the gators.

But I don't get the lions taking Stafford either.

Even the casual observer could see Sanchez was the better of the two: a point that will be debated and reviewed all fall.

Why put yourself in the position to give a lot of guaranteed money to a guy your scouts deem a 'project'?

Usually, project=bust.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"n Truth's defense, there are probably more successful former Dawgs in the NFL than failures.

To be brief, start with H Walker, and end at C Bailey.

Throw in R Hampton, Hines Ward, and Richard Seymour in between.

And we'll never know how good Robert Edwards would have been.

UGA produces quality pro players--it's just that none of them leave college with memories of beating the gators.

But I don't get the lions taking Stafford either.

Even the casual observer could see Sanchez was the better of the two: a point that will be debated and reviewed all fall.

Why put yourself in the position to give a lot of guaranteed money to a guy your scouts deem a 'project'?

Usually, project=bust.

Posted by: MistaMoe"


Considering UGA has more wins over the Gators than losses, I'd say you're wrong there MistaMoe.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

QUESTION: So how is the dude going to be dominating if there are no pads and hitting is not allowed?

ANSWER: He ran into them with his Ferrari?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah--hell!

The only telling issue when guys aren't hitting is seven on seven passing drills.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 11:27 AM

I guess if he shoved some people backwards in one of them passing drills you might cornsider that dominating. Doubt though that he shoved Mr. Williams backwards!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 5, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"Usually, project=bust."


lol Jason Campbell

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Whats sad for the Lions is they could have come out and said "we think there are better QB's in the next years draft and this year we should work on the 21 other spots we stink at". Lions fans are smart enough to get that.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

ok, lets get a poll... will mike williams make the team and actually play?? what do you think??

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the photo of M Williams on the WA PO redskins sports page?

Talk about blotting out the sun.

Man is Mike Williams fat.

He's so big, the #71 is split to where the 7 is on the front and the 1 on the side.

He looks like the fat kid promised a bag of candy a day after Halloween.

He's so fat, he looks like he should be a stuntman in NORBIT.

He must have excelled at the donut eating portion of his tryout with the redskins.

Zorn says he moves well for a big man. He must not know that food is like crack for the obese.

I guess the standards are that low now for the skins: they'd take a look at a rotund guy who's proven he's not an NFL player over a drafted player who hasn't proven he isn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Boy, if the police were to set up a crime scene every time that God dude pulled the trigger..I know, he was just trying to rip the roof off so he can watch "His" favorite team play...In response, Coach Zorn has ordered an F-16 airstrike on Redskins practice.."We can't have the Cowboys having tougher practices than us, now can we??,"he said..

Posted by: frak | May 5, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

i have not seen word one about what Mike Williams odds are. If he can get the weight down I am guessing he is a backup. And that pluss the fact that we don't use a practice bubble or prep right to keep guys healthy, he will play.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

ok, lets get a poll... will mike williams make the team and actually play?? what do you think??

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 12:05 PM
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I think he will make the team and play simply because there is nobody else to fill those gaps on OL

Posted by: thor2 | May 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I would not mind him trying to play short yardage center? Don't you want a big guy in that spot?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 5, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if he can get playing time ahead of who we already have or not honestly barring an injury to who's ahead of him. I do think he can make the team as much needed depth if he can 1. get his weight down and 2. not hurt himself getting in shape - you know those knees are screaming holding up all that weight when he "moves well for a man his size"

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see the picture of Andy Reid lifting weights? Thanks JLC!

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll152/chickkycheergrl/hamster.jpg

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I think he would be great for a play or two at a time in short yardage situations

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Moe, M Williams was voted Buffalo's best offensive lineman in 2004 playing at 370 lbs. He didn't pan out as a #4 overall pick, but he's proven he can play in the NFL.

Who do you see competing at the RT position with more of an upside than M Williams?

There's no other team with a more glaring need, which is why he's on the roster. And sadly, after 3 years of not playing and being labeled a bust, he's still probably better than anyone else manning the position.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see the picture of Andy Reid lifting weights? Thanks JLC!

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll152/chickkycheergrl/hamster.jpg


Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize Andy worked out. He's looking great!

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I think Williams turns out very well for the team.....a true find, if you will. We need more of his type, I'd want him around 345 however.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Practice bubble...?

Practice bubble...?

In May you have to use a 'practice bubble'?

Talk about 'soft'.

I guess team Wonderbread (hard on the outside, soft in the middle)didn't want it's rookies to get all sweaty from the glorious 60 degree weather.

I could see a practice bubble in Minn,, Green Bay, Buffalo, New York, Kansas City---but in Dallas?

C'mon now, Jerrah Jones. Your 'Boys have to be a little tougher than that.

Let me guess: America's Team can only withstand the heat and hot glare of media scrutiny.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Can Mike Williams use a Segway during games?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"His knee's just a little swollen," Zorn said. "He's just sore. I just appreciated him coming out and not just blowing us off and saying, 'See you later.' That was nice." - Coach Corny Zorny

He probably isn't, but why do I get the feeling that this is some lame a** indirect shot at Portis.

If so, then Zorn is a friggin' cornball, and a pu**y. Already wasn't feeling his lameness, now it sounds, *sounds* like he's going to carry this vendetta against Portis for another season. He's pu**y because he takes indirect shots at people. How I came up, if you had a problem with someone you confronted them - either verbally or physically. I personally believe that Zorn isn't built for neither.

Remember him trying to get buck with the reporter at the presser last year?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 5, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

You're correct.

Maybe I'm being a little harsh.

I got a rhetorical question though: If the need was that glaring at right tackle before the draft, which player would you prefer to have--Orakpo or M Oher/E Britton?

Vinny says the draft lineman weren't that good. I guess in his mind another team's castoffs are somehow better.

But I'll bet anyone of them turns out better than the 'maybe, if' promises that come with Jabba the Hut in a #71 jersey.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

Don't underestimate the power of the Dark side!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

red, I think you're trying too hard with that one....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV,

So you don't like the coach, the owner, the manager, and the players of the Redskins!! a true fan!!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

God, let it be September already!

This is torture, having to sit thru March-Sept, enduring NBA, NHL and MLB and the draft!!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, I meant Jan-Sept (for us Redskins fans)

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Portis SHOULD have his lazy butt in redskins park working harder than anybody because you know they are gonna be depending on him to carry the ball 350 times again this year. He gets paid like a superstar but he doesn't want to lead like one. He's a self absorbed me first player who will never win anything because he's not willing to be that committed. NUFF SAID

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Why are they getting a player with an injury problem, they must not know what there doing.

Report: Patriots Acquire Safety
Posted by Aaron Wilson on May 5, 2009, 12:29 p.m. EDT
It looks like Rodney Harrison has officially been replaced.

The New England Patriots have landed a new safety with a reputation as a rugged tackler as former Chicago Bears starter Brandon McGowan struck a two-year deal with the AFC East club, according to John Clayton of ESPN.com.

Although the Patriots drafted Oregon safety Patrick Chung in the second round, they still felt a need to get McGowan..

In 2007, McGowan recorded three interceptions and 68 tackles, but he was sidelined for the majority of last season due to a lingering ankle problem.

McGowan played collegiately at Maine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 5, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

In 2007, McGowan recorded three interceptions and 68 tackles, but he was sidelined for the majority of last season due to a lingering ankle problem.

McGowan played collegiately at Maine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 5, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse
Wow, Patriots sign someone who was injured all last year. Why hasn't anyone else thought of that? NE Pats are geniouses!

Posted by: frediefritz | May 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

peace, where did it say that i wasn't a fan of the actual players? i hope this isn't some lame bait attempt, you're dry-humping the wrong tree if you are...

if anything i probably think too much of the players... i really don't know if you're just trying to f with me or what... so i really, really hope you're not serious, especially with that "true fan" statement

and yeah, I don't care for cornball Zorn, with his simple "Hip-Hip" chants and the all-time dumb-stupid phrase "Stay medium".
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Bean, you're probably right. I just think that once people bump heads when they first meet each other they'll continue to do so. Maybe Zorn's feelings are still hurt from the "Genius" comment from Portis.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 5, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

By the way, End of Sarcasm.

On MWilliams, only time will tell if his back and knees will hold up. For vert minimum, tho, I think it's a great move, and hope it works. If he plays, he is a better run blocker than Heyer. We will have to see about pass protection. Heyer can definitely protect QB.

Posted by: frediefritz | May 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

For vert minimum, tho, I think it's a great move,
Posted by: frediefritz | May 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

What? Is he a midget?

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 5, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

red, I think if there was a problem between JZ, and CP, we'd have heard about it, over, and over, and over, and over, on this blog.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I kind of agree w/ RedDMV.

Zorn's attitude w/ Portis led DIRECTLY to the slide in the second half.

If this coach can't get his head around his players and learn to use them correctly, he'll doom himself to another season of failure... and loose a job.

That being said, CPo (my current fav Redskin) would do well to figure out his coaches shortcomings and not nail him to the wall on it every time. Superstar on an 8-8 team ain't much to brag about.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Stafford = Joey Harrington Pt2? Thoughts?
Posted by: alex35332"

Just a superficial one: Joey's about as different from Stafford as you can get. He's a short passer, for one. He's very mobile, for another, and not at all averse to taking off with the ball if he can't find a receiver.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Therein lays the problem with "Piano Man". The elapsed time between Joey taking the snap and deciding "it might be better to run with this one" is now down to 0.0000000000000001E seconds, based on his throwing an INT every other pass if he doesn't.

Such a shame, because his glissando is amongst the best portamenti I've ever heard. Like such as, maps, etc.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

On that Stafford vs Joe Harrington comparison: Joey's career average per pass is 5.8. That's with three different teams. He's not looking downfield.

Stafford should be very different.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

rc, good to hear from you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Superstar on an 8-8 team ain't much to brag about.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

No, but "massively paid superstar and travel-buddy of the owner on an 8-8 team" probably is.

etrod, nice one on 'vert minimum'!

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

"Stafford should be very different.
Posted by: Samson151"

Please notice I didn't say 'more successful'. He's still playing for Detroit.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Moe, Orakpo seems like a beast. I don't begrudge the team picking him, I think the Skins D will be awesome this year. But there was no excuse for ignoring the OL entirely throughout the draft.

I take Vinny's comments about the poor quality of O-lineman in the draft for what they are: rationalizing. History suggests there will be solid OTs picked up in the later rounds that Vinny passed on.

Snyderatto's draft history simply gives no credibility to Vinny's self-assured assessment about the quality of players who haven't played a down in the NFL yet.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

'...Superstar on an 8-8 team ain't much to brag about....'


True.

It's like being an NBA player who brags about dunking on a midget.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it would've been discussed a million times, but I don't think Zorn is the type to come out and say "I got a problem with Portis" or something to that effect.

Somebody better tell Zorn about the CP/B-Mitch exchange last season, couldn't see Zorn going back and forth with anyone, he's too soft.

Hip.

Hip.

nay....

Posted by: RedDMV | May 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

ok, lets get a poll... will mike williams make the team and actually play?? what do you think??

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 12:05 PM ============================================
I could try posting a poll at WalterFootball.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

And you too Greg.

Nice to see that the phony war times are almost over and we can soon look forward to the thud and blunder that is one lot of soon-to-be-grocery-bagging fat guys trying to push a controverted similar set of guys on a practice field. Without pads.

As all the while Malcolm Kelly gets to practice "I'd give anything to be out there with those guys" look whilst sipping on a mint julep as he sits on one of those golf cart thingies with his bum leg outstretched.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh the dulcet tones of the DolPhan...

How it be, Redcoat?

What's the news from Dolphins camp? That new RBQB going to set the Wildcat fulltime?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

'...I take Vinny's comments about the poor quality of O-lineman in the draft for what they are: rationalizing...'

Rationalizing...that's a polite way of referencing it.

Bovine excrement is the phrase that pleases best, though.

Vinny has systematically avoided rebuilding the offensive line during his tenure are the skins man of talent procurement.

His blaming the offensive line talent in the last draft for not taking a lineman is like a guy telling a chick he's breaking up with her because she's a woman.

Yes: it's that dumb.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

It seems like every season Portis has to make a point of missing the practices that are not required. Every pre-season he does what he can to avoid playing a down. I think a lot of his injuries last season, though legitimate injuries, were excuses for not practicing. This guy is a heck of an athlete but a coach's worst nightmare. This is one of Dan Snyder's "guys" and the coach couldn't crack down on Portis any more than he could prevent Dan from signing Haynesworth to a contract so large that it crippled their ability to sign other quality players. This is just another one of those things that good teams manage: they don't play favorites and the team comes first - always. Prima donna's that don't want to practice should not play. Period. It doesn't matter if you are the second coming of Darrel Green: you don't practice, you don't play. I long for the day when the Redskins get a real coach and an owner that realizes he should let the professionals run the team. Jack Kent Cooke must get a terrible bit of indigestion when he looks down from heaven and sees what this snot-nosed kid has done with his team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 5, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Hola Dik, are you in DC now?

The news is they finally put Beck out of his misery and Cam Cameron instantly recruited him for the Ravens.

Apparently Pat White stunk the place up on day one, and we couldn't get the tumbril put together fast enough to run him out of town (the bum) which was lucky because from then on he looks terrific (which we all knew he would).

So, yes, I think we run the Wildcat a lot more regularly with him behind center and we'll score points with it too. It may all go down in flames but at least it will be fun to watch.

FYI, it looks like Parcells may have found our next NT on the undrafted scrapheap.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/miami-dolphins/story/1030860.html

I'd bet better than even that the guys makes it.

RIP Dom DeLuise, the First (and best) Captain Chaos

Posted by: Redcoat | May 5, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

'...will mike williams make the team and actually play??'

Better question: Would you want Mike Williams to make the team and take a game day back up roster slot from Burley or Williams, the terp tackle and center?

(yeah, I know--they'll be on the practice squad.)

Maybe, if Williams gets in shape and is starting quality at the position.

The standard for him making the team has got to be that high. He must be a starter or what's the point in having him take a spot from a younger guy?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with trying Orakpo at LB. The Skins need to see what he does best and then let him develop at that spot. I'd rather the Skins find the role where he can be great rather than assume he's best at one thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

On passing downs, he will line up at right defensive end next to Albert Haynesworth, the former Tennessee Titans star who appeared dominating at his first Redskins camp. Orakpo was drafted to rush the passer. The surprise is that he won't just be doing it from a defensive end position.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 5, 2009

Flounder, I saw that on ESPN and discounted it. Clearly there is a disconnect between Blache and Zorn which I find disconcerting and concerning. For starters, I think if a choice were to be made between Zorn and Blache, Snyder would take Blache's side.

Andre Carter plays RDE on passing downs. The RT used to be Griffin. It all depends on how well Haynesworth stops the run. We may see lots of stunts because of Haynesworth. I expect that Haynesworth will be playing LDT and LDE on passing downs? Why? Because that is how his defensive coordinator in Tennesee was able to use him most effectively. Forcing the other team to "chip" at him with the running back or TE. They may also move the DL all around.

Think about it. If Haynesworth is at DE on passing downs that means that the TE and running back cannot go out into patterns on passing downs because of Haynesworth. They have to stay in. Because if you put him at tackle they can put a guard and the center just on him.

Sending him against the least talented tackle on the field (the right tackle) appears to make sense. All this talk of Orapko playing RDE and displacing Carter makes none. You want Carter in there at RDE while Haynesworth (LDE on passing downs) and Orapko (from SLB) overload the other side. That is going to drive offenses crazy on passing downs. Carter might just get 20 sacks or more.

So, the big problem is actually getting to the passing downs. YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST STOP THE RUN to place yourself in the above situation. That is where Orapko learns to stop the run from the stand up start. Haynesworth is already pretty good at it. And then Daniels/Wynn. Not sure who would play tackle on the passing downs that would probably involve some sort of rotation, injuries could factor in.

Blache isn't going to waste Orapko or Haynesworth. He seems good at utilizing the players he is given to work with. Orapko WILL BE rushing but from the linebacker position not DE. Otherwise who do you play at DE on passing downs? Haynesworth who has proven to be most effective there? Carter who has proven to be most effective there? Orapko who is unproven and who is now learning to play linebacker. And there is still Rob Jackson.

Everyone needs to stop replacing guys you may need given the long season just because some guy they drafted looked good in college!!!

Posted by: periculum | May 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I could try posting a poll at WalterFootball.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 5, 2009 1:21 PM
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It is posted.

It's easy to register over there, if anyone's motivated.

I voted yes, just for the halibut.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

SkinHead - 2 things: X)Season ending shoulder injury and 75) You got that same beef w/ Riggo? Plenty of times he took the week off. Deservedly so.

It's not about cracking down, though that's definitely something you want in a coach, it's about motivation and respect. And a crack-down attitude won't work if you don't have those two items. Taking pot-shots through the media isn't going to help. If you have respect the crack-down can be a motivator. Not before. Not at 8-8.

If a player isn't motivated to do what it takes to win, that's one thing. But Portis ain't that guy. Portis shows up ready to play and does nothing but perform. There's not cookie cutter in the NFL anymore. Each situation is different.

The stuff about the owner, I fully agree with. But Portis is in a different league than most of the players on this team. So is Haynesworth, I guess. Let's hope that $$ pays off.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, if Williams gets in shape and is starting quality at the position.

The standard for him making the team has got to be that high. He must be a starter or what's the point in having him take a spot from a younger guy?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 1:35 PM |
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We've got young guys who do nothing, Moe. I think the standard for making the roster should be some hope that the guy in question can be an NFL player.

I'm not convinced that just anyone Vinnie puts on the roster meets that standard, even if they just graduated.

The poll question is really just a guess about the future, though...not philosophy, and such as.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Yup, Red. Livin' over in Silver Spring. Nice to be back. The Cowboy fan wife is loving it too. We miss our friends, but we're having a grand time. It's nice to have 2 paychecks again!! phew.

That's cool about the 'Phins, my adopted AFC team. They will be fun to watch, as last year. It was amazing how they turned the league on it's ear. Parcells changes the league once more!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 5, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

'...I take Vinny's comments about the poor quality of O-lineman in the draft for what they are: rationalizing...'

Rationalizing...that's a polite way of referencing it.

Bovine excrement is the phrase that pleases best, though.

Vinny has systematically avoided rebuilding the offensive line during his tenure are the skins man of talent procurement.

His blaming the offensive line talent in the last draft for not taking a lineman is like a guy telling a chick he's breaking up with her because she's a woman.

Yes: it's that dumb.

Posted by: MistaMoe

In the last 3 drafts (21 picks), Vinny has drafted 1 OL, even though its been a high need area each time.

5/22 starters are OL or 23%
1/21 picks used on OL or 5%

Since the OL is an area of above average need, Vinny should have been drafting over 23% of the picks on the OL.

In practice, its actually a bit worse, as Jason Taylor (DE) was traded for 2 picks (ie Vinny could have used that 2nd and 6th to trade for a young OL instead).

As hard as it is to believe, its very clear that Vinny doesn't get that our OL is our major problem. His failure to address it is THE primary reason the Skins are not a playoff caliber team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Bovine excrement helps my grass grow.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Re: Vinny's comments about the quality of O-Lineman in the draft, who's judgment would you trust, his or Ozzie Newsome? Oher will turn out to be the Ravens starter at RT for 10 years...only time will tell if Orakpo can make the shift to being a hybrid LB/DE like a Lamar Woodley. He definitely has the ability, but Vinny's justification is weak at best.

Posted by: wizfan89 | May 5, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about Dom DeLuise. One less option at right tackle.

Posted by: CTSkins | May 5, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

While we should have drafted OL the last few years, Vinny isn't the only one saying that this was a weak draft for OL. I may not trust Vinnie's assessment, but I do trust Bill Polian's and he said this draft was "extremely thin" on OL.

Posted by: CTSkins | May 5, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

So for the most part we all agree that the FO is doing their best to ignore the OLine.

Then the question becomes: WHY?

Let's look at some front runners in that category:

F) blargheldygook
7) They've been selling advertising space on the bottom of Soup's shoes
a.ii.v) It's not "sexy"
42) O Linemen don't get ANY receiving or rushing stats! That's why they don't show up on my draftboard
Girraffe) saving $$ at team buffet table

One question though, were Soup and/or CPo Vinnie's drafts? perhaps Darth Vinnie wants to force them out so his own "stellar" choices can show? It wouldn't be the first time a BS FO tried to leave their stamp...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to talk about "HIM"!

....
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.....Throw out your hands, stick out your tush, hands on your hips, give 'em a push...

The man was a classic!

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

DikShuttle, please tell me you had to look that up and didn't have it committed to memory - which would be both impressive and pathetic.

Posted by: CTSkins | May 5, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess since there is no food being served at the park we dont get any reports

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 5, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Beeps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

CTskins

'...Vinny isn't the only one saying that this was a weak draft for OL....Bill Polian said this draft was "extremely thin" on OL....'


And so did Jon Gruden and Steve Mariucci during the draft on the NFL Network.

But how does that explains last year, the year before, and the year before that?

And if the linemen in the draft were weak, what, that's why the '..big splashy move...' was Jake Grove instead of Albert Haynesworth?

Please.

But what's done is done.

So instead of the "Hogs" we'll have to call the 2009 o-linemen "Bugels' Castaways".

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Question:
Is there an NFL rule against offensive linemen locking arms together and move as a five man unit?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

On passing downs, he will line up at right defensive end next to Albert Haynesworth, the former Tennessee Titans star who appeared dominating at his first Redskins camp.

I hope the writer of that article made a mistake; why would you move Orapko over from SAM to RE, when you already have Carter there? It seems logical to me that they would take the run-stopping LE, be it Wynn or Daniels, out and plug Orapko in at LE on 3rd downs. Unless they plan to switch Carter to LE on 3rd downs. But I can't see them taking Carter out altogether on 3rd downs.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 5, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy the draft was thin at OL position explanation. I think "picking the highest rated player" is a flawed argument, regardless of which team uses it!

I assume that the FO knew something we don't so I give them the benefit of the doubt. but it is hard to argue that you go through 3-7th rounds, pick a sundry of "maybe" athletes, then look for OL to be a diamond in the rough amongst UFA's.

I am staying medium here and I am not bashing the FO, just wondering if there is another reason.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The Hogs ------> The Bugs

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

guess the standards are that low now for the skins: they'd take a look at a rotund guy who's proven he's not an NFL player over a drafted player who hasn't proven he isn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe
Not to rain on your parade, but there have been many obese lineman, especiall O linemen, over the years who have made probowls and helped their teams win superbowls. Not that the guy doesn't need to lose some weight to make the team, but losing 50 lbs for a guy like that is like a regular guy losing 10 or 20. I wouldn't be suprised at all to see the guy getting some serious minutes in this season.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 5, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

ok, lets get a poll... will mike williams make the team and actually play?? what do you think??

Posted by: scottmando
Ill stick my obese neck out and render an unqualified yes.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 5, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"In the last 3 drafts (21 picks), Vinny has drafted 1 OL, even though its been a high need area each time. 5/22 starters are OL or 23%1/21 picks used on OL or 5%
Since the OL is an area of above average need, Vinny should have been drafting over 23% of the picks on the OL.In practice, its actually a bit worse, as Jason Taylor (DE) was traded for 2 picks (ie Vinny could have used that 2nd and 6th to trade for a young OL instead). As hard as it is to believe, its very clear that Vinny doesn't get that our OL is our major problem. His failure to address it is THE primary reason the Skins are not a playoff caliber team."Posted by: zcezcest1

I'm not disagreeing with all your conclusions. But a couple comments:

you didn't mention trades or FAs, which they have used to bolster the line. Can't say which OL they would have drafted if they'd gone that route, but figuring only about 50% of picks stick, the numbers even somewhat.

second, the Jason Taylor trade was a true dog and they shouldn't have made it. But did you think that at the time, or is that benefit of hindsight? You know lots of GMs have woofers like that on their resumes, of course, including the best of them.

Insisting that nearly a quarter of draft picks be devoted to OL seems to me arbitrary. What happened to best player available? Or what if you've sprung a hole somewhere else, like at DB or WR? You a believer in sticking to a plan no matter what?

Fourth, that leap at the end, where you claim that it's THE reason we're not a playoff caliber team -- seems like a stretch. In the first place, the Skins had other problems last year, like no pass pressure, and WRs who didn't fit the scheme all that well. Besides, there's a difference between a playoff team and a playoff-caliber team. Every season several teams that were good enough to make the playoffs, don't. Last year that might have included Dallas, Denver, Tampa, New England, the Jets, Chicago, and IMO, the Washington Redskins.

This season, who knows?

I just think in your rush to condemn the FO, you're missing some contrary points.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Portis SHOULD have his lazy butt in redskins park working harder than anybody because you know they are gonna be depending on him to carry the ball 350 times again this year. He gets paid like a superstar but he doesn't want to lead like one. He's a self absorbed me first player who will never win anything because he's not willing to be that committed. NUFF SAID

Posted by: scottmando

With most players, I'm on the same page on this. But anyone who actually watches Portis run knows he puts 110% into each and every movement he makes on the field, be it running or blocking, and he defines "playing to the whistle". I truly don't think he has a first gear, which is why he hurt himself in a preseason game a few years ago making a tackle after an interception. I think he is one of the few players from whom I could except the excuse "I don't want to wear myself out before the season starts"

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 5, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"'...Vinny isn't the only one saying that this was a weak draft for OL....Bill Polian said this draft was "extremely thin" on OL....'And so did Jon Gruden and Steve Mariucci during the draft on the NFL Network."

Yep, so I heard, and from a couple other NFL types, too.

So where did all that OL hype come from, in the months leading up to the draft? Were those 4 the only real prospects? All you heard about in the media and on this board was how deep the tackle crop was.... who's right?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

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