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Donald Trump Lets Miss California Keep Crown


Miss California Carrie Prejean answers a question about gay marriage during last month's Miss USA pageant. (AP Photo/Eric Jamison)


Donald Trump -- or, as we like to call him, Donald the Beneficent -- declared yesterday that Carrie Prejean can remain Miss California USA.

But you didn't really want us to skip to the end, did you? And miss all the drama?

Fox, MSNBC, CNN and CNN Headline News all did live run-up coverage waiting for the 11.a.m. news conference at N.Y.C.'s Trump Tower that would answer the biggest non-consequential blog-and-cable-fueled story of the year: Does the controversial beauty queen -- pro "opposite marriage," con same-sex marriage -- keep her crown?

"Donald Trump has not given any indication how he will rule," intoned an MSNBC reporter. Gossip pundit Courtney Hazlett weighed in: "She lied, she violated her contract. ... It has nothing to do with her statements onstage." A panel of four pundits on CNN Headline News speculated that Prejean might resign, having gotten crosswise with pageant officials for joining the National Organization for Marriage's lobbying efforts -- though one expert got to the heart of the matter:

"It's priceless PR for Donald Trump, it's priceless PR for the pageant."

And then -- showtime.

Trump kicked off the festivities by announcing that the whole controversy was "testimony to the fact both Miss USA and Miss Universe have become so relevant." Which it wasn't, he added, before he bought the franchise. And now NBC is about to announce a three-year contract extension! "Everybody is happy," he said.

Prejean, he said, "gave honest answers when given a tough question" by judge Perez Hilton about gay marriage during the pageant's crucial final round. In fact, Trump reminded reporters, it was "the same answer the president gave." Prejean, he said, "spoke from the heart."

As for those leaked photos of Prejean in her underwear? "The pictures taken are fine. ... Some were beautiful, some were risque, but again, we're in the 21st century." (MSNBC and Headline News helpfully cut to said photos.) That catfight with Miss California pageant officials? "A miscommunication" that is "totally solved."

And ... "Carrie will remain Miss California."

Scattered applause. The Donald gloated: "When the paparazzi clap, you know that's a popular decision."

Prejean (black suit, lavender ruffled blouse, cross necklace) took the podium to thank "Mr. Trump for believing in me," the "thousands of Americans" who have written to her, and "God for trusting me with this large task."

She pointedly refused to cite gossip-blogger Hilton -- who launched her to fame by asking the question, then denounced her as a "stupid [expletive]" in an online rant -- by name. "Judge Number Eight began a cultural firestorm" and was "self-promoting and hateful," she said. "On April19, I exercised my freedom of speech. ... And I was punished for doing so."

As for those racy pics she should have told the pageant about? "I am a model. I am a Christian." They were all for her modeling portfolio, not meant for publication, she said, adding something vague about Photoshopping and wind. (Later, she clarified: A more explicit set of photos, released only hours earlier, were outtakes from a magazine shoot that involved a windy day, a wardrobe malfunction and a slimy photog who shouldn't have released the not-for-publication misfires.)

Big ending: "Think about how much better our society would be if we could agree to disagree," she said. "I stand before you today a stronger woman than I was yesterday."
"That was really beautiful," said Trump.

On MSNBC, anchor David Shuster kicked off the postgame: "Can I vomit? Doesn't this represent everything that is wrong in the superficial world of pageants?" Aw, come on -- isn't it sweeps month? Everybody wins!

By The Reliable Source  |  May 12, 2009; 11:24 AM ET
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I wonder if she got on her knees and "begged" for forgiveness, Trump is one lucky SOB

Posted by: devilsadvoc8 | May 12, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Funny how you left out the part where Trump emphasized that Prejean's views on gay marriage are the same as President Obama's.

Funny, but not surprising.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 12, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Going to sound paranoid, but I can't help wondering if this wasn't all a big setup.

Posted by: ikea1 | May 12, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Obama's world and the far-left media's world. Where a person can't speak his/her mind without causing a stir from the left-wing elitists and the Hollywood wack-jobs like Sean Penn.

Posted by: leeh11281 | May 12, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I re-read the article and it does mention Trump's comment about Obama. If I missed that the first time, my apologies. If you added it afterwards, thanks for editing the content, because Trump's point is an important way to make, given that Ms. Prejean was being demonized for having the same views as the President.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

She wasn't a gracious loser and that's my main problem with her. Especially since her answer about "opposite" "my country", etc. didn't make much sense.

To claim someone took the photos for her "modeling" - why was a friend talking nude photos if she's such a Christian.

Two years from now no one will know or care who she is.

Posted by: rlj611 | May 12, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"To claim someone took the photos for her "modeling" - why was a friend talking nude photos if she's such a Christian."

If you're not the Pope or Ms. Prejean's pastor, then you don't have any right to criticize her practice of her religion.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 12, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Ahh...WashingtonDame you might want to actually read the article before posting a comment.

Posted by: azandy | May 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

WashingtonDame did you read the article:

In fact, Trump reminded reporters, it was "the same answer the president gave" when asked about gay marriage...

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I'm glad this non-issue of an issue is over. Now let's all get back to the real travesty. They should not have awarded the crown to Miss North Carolina (Dalton) over Prejean. She's not even in the same ballpark.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | May 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Did the judge who asked the loaded question and then admitted giving her a zero for her answer breach his contract? Has any reporter followed up on this?

Posted by: SayWhat4 | May 12, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

If there ever were a fake looking broad, it's this bimbo. Trump's a no-class loser who runs a street-walker contest. Oy vey.

Posted by: ratsmoker | May 12, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Good God, who cares. Was there any doubt about what the Donald would think? When will this stupid publicity stunt ever be over? Can't we cover some interesting, brilliant young women who don't have to take their clothes off for attention?

Posted by: SarahBB | May 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Octomom is more interesting.

Posted by: SarahBB | May 12, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

This is still America and people can still speak the truth without persecution.

Next year, keep the activists out of the judges' circle.

Posted by: NeverLeft | May 12, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Most of the posters are a vicious junk yard dogs, homosexual apologists or activists that will go to any length to stifle any opinion that criticizes their agenda. Look, this young woman was ASKED for her comments about homosexual marriage. She gave it, honestly, and that started this. The photo's are no different than anything you can see plastered on a mall window at Victoria's Secret or in the lingerie section of a J.C. Penny's catalog delivered in the mail. This whole thing was an invention by the Nazi's of the left, the politically correct swine, that have no respect for the opinions of others, for free speech, for the Bill Of Rights. Let their intolerance be a guide and crush this movement and the human cockroaches that are trying to foist it off on us.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 12, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"Two years from now no one will know or care who she is

You really think it will be that long? If we are luckey it will be the end of this week.

Posted by: BEEPEE | May 12, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with rlj611. Additionally, two months from now, she may even be the next Mrs. Donald Trump. (Look at the way he looks at her. A picture says a thousand words.)

Posted by: amerviet2008 | May 12, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Exactly what is the large task with which Ms. Prejean's god has entrusted her? What does a Miss California do?

Posted by: JohninMpls | May 12, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank You Donald and God for showing Forgiveness Mercy concerning the photos. We all have made bad choices in the past. I Thank Miss California for taking a stand for what is right in God's eyes. Most American believe that The Homosexual behavior is wrong. Those who believe in this point of view should be able to express it without being retalliated against. 1st Ammendment Rights.

Posted by: angelpoo12 | May 12, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Beauty Contests are irrelevant.

Posted by: BT23 | May 12, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

all the hypocrites who profess their right to be gay and their liberal bs camp followers make a predictable protest when anyone else expresses their views. perhaps relocating to arab world would give them the rights they deserve

Posted by: pofinpa | May 12, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

It is OK to speak your mind, as long as your opinion agrees with Obama's. Otherwise you have to keep your mouth closed.

That is what the First Amendment is all about in 2009.

Posted by: pkhenry | May 12, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious news, and Trump as always the shrewd egomaniacal businessman milking all the publicity he can get from Miss Silicones and her religious doublethink.

Posted by: alarico | May 12, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for clarification about the photos.Forgive me for any misunderstanding on the Photos

Posted by: angelpoo12 | May 12, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

But it is an issue. Mr. Hilton was not interested in the Miss America pageant with that question. He was more interested in the gay marriage debate; what a coup it would have been if the candidate could have been cowed into giving a safe, that is, pc answer to the question; the wholesome institute of pageantry supports gay marriage!

he gamed the person wrong and lost. The vindictiveness showed up when pictures emerged. These are nasty, angry people.

So yes, something seen as trivial as the Miss America Contest does have important consequences in this world of sound bites. Mr Hilton certainly thought it did, point awarde to Ms Prejean for holding her ground.

Posted by: jhtlag1 | May 12, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

But it is an issue. Mr. Hilton was not interested in the Miss America pageant with that question. He was more interested in the gay marriage debate; what a coup it would have been if the candidate could have been cowed into giving a safe, that is, pc answer to the question; the wholesome institute of pageantry supports gay marriage!

he gamed the person wrong and lost. The vindictiveness showed up when pictures emerged. These are nasty, angry people.

So yes, something seen as trivial as the Miss America Contest does have important consequences in this world of sound bites. Mr Hilton certainly thought it did, point awarde to Ms Prejean for holding her ground.

Posted by: jhtlag1 | May 12, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

The upside of this is that it gives the Left a different female to focus their hatred upon, thereby giving Sarah Palin a break for a couple of days.

Posted by: NeverLeft | May 12, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I watched MSNBC daytime news coverage for the past 2 years solid. I stopped watching them a few weeks ago and switched to CNN after they participated in the tearing down of Miss California.

Damn shame.

Posted by: Smooth_Jazz | May 12, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I used to watch Miss Universe but base on Trumps's Judgement that's a reason for me and my circle NOT to pay attention to his endorsements. The only good thing she did that she gave us something to talk about and why people should consider every human being for what they are but not their sexual desires. At the end everyone has them!! Or Not? But Miss California is a Liar. Don't matter what she says, she's a liar and Mr Trump has no Ethics. A contract is a contract and I'm wondering if he's that soft when it comes to his MONEY DEALS. People should consider that next time thay they do business with him because could go either way. He's another liar too.

Posted by: mar67 | May 12, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This is irritating and irrelivent. Perez Hilton doesn't speak for me, or anyone else other than himself. The gay rights movement is about whether tax-paying, law-abiding American citizens are being treated equally under the law (they're not), not about Perez and Prejean scoring points with their respective teams of idiot bloggers.

No one should lose their job because they have chosen a particular religious orientation. That said, the government doesn't have the right to steal tax money from gay Americans and spread their wealth to any straight couple that applies for it. Nor does it have a right to create statutes establishing or respecting a religious institution, or conduct reproductive policy. But as long as Prejean isn't the government, I don't care what she says or thinks.

Likewise, the government didn't prevent Prejean from speaking (no one has prevented her from speaking), but I'm fairly certain private citizens have a right to protest against her views.

Angelpoo12: the 1st Amendment only applies to what the government does, not private citizens. You have no 1st Amendment right not to be criticized by private citizens.

Besides, remember that whole "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" thing? The "discrimination" you and yours complain about is only words, what gay americans are complaining about is far more servious, and sometimes entails the actual breaking of bones by sticks and stones.

Posted by: pasketanki | May 12, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I love gorgeous evangelical Christian women who say things like "opposite marriage." This is the submissive wife I have always dreamed of...a Godly bimbo.

Posted by: danw1 | May 12, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Come on people did you really think that the Donald wasn't going to side with her and let her keep her crown? More than likely he is not doing it for the reasons you think. She is the usual Trump wifey type and isn't it about time for Ole Donald to pick a new one? I am sure he is about tired of the chick he has now and is ready for a new one. Don't be surprised if he doesn't come out that he is divorcing and whoop there it is Carrie becomes the new Ms Trump...LOL

Posted by: msruby36 | May 12, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pre-jeans got some nice knocke.. Oh wait they're not real. But she does have some nice lips.. errr. hmm maybe not. She's got a beautiful smile... Oh my well ...Ok. I guess it fits with what kind of story this is.

Posted by: billm32 | May 12, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Trump wants her to keep the crown so he can screw her

Posted by: simonbm | May 12, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

So Miss California gets to keep her crown. And the "self-serving" justification and logic is -- her answer was no less honest an expression of her belief and 1st Amendment Rights than the President of the United States. Translation, when a heterosexual white female bigot and a heterosexual black male opportunist panders to bigotry, this is OKAY. This is just an expression of our heart-felt 1st Amendment Rights without limit or constraint ... and of course big business (profits) for The Trumph. See, Mr. President, you, a multicultural brotha, have now become another justification (rationale/excuse) for millions of Americans to continue defending and practicing their bigotry:

1. white vs non-whites

2. men vs women

3. heterosexuals vs LGBTs

4. young vs old

5. rich vs the non-rich

6. abled-bodied vs disabled

7. religious vs agnostics/atheists

If being "American" means prescribing to and acting-out this bigoted-non-sense, if institutionalizing this bigoted-non-sense is what being "American" is fundamentally and primarily about, then let us dismantle all of our civil right institutions and laws, ignore our state and federal Constitutions, and just have an all-out "darwinian, secular, religious" Culture War ... where the most or least bigoted Americans become the "Overseers" and the loosers become our "Second-Class Citizens".

As a black heterosexual male, I look forward to discriminating-against Miss California because of her race, sexual orientation, and gender. Why? Because "I'm Superior" and "She's Inferior" given our respective "biological and social identities" per my religious, political, and heart-felt 1st Amendment expressed beliefs:) Get along, agree to disagree, Miss California? Sureeeee, feel free to visit my side of the planet and let's see how harmoniously we get along ... with you spewing your bigotry and whether I'm going to tolerate it:)

As for President Obama, he had better get his "opportunistic political shyt together" over the next 4-years (regarding the DADT and Gay-Marriage) or I'll be voting his opportunistic-azz out of office ... because he failed my subjective morality litmust test ... not being a walking-talking civil rights hypocrite!

Posted by: GroupThink | May 12, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse


The very best thing about Trump's decision is the reaction of the Gay Activist throwing a hissy fit. No one can put on a show like Gays when they are offended. And of course then as a second billing in the fallout of the decision is the typical hatred spewing of Liberals. They own that personality flaw. The hate that is on display by the angry Liberal is without equal. Yes, angry Gays and irrational hate filled Libs quite a combo. In fact their reaction being so similar I would say that all Libs are Gay. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: FraudObama | May 12, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Donald did the right thing---it's a sad day when someone stands up for what's right and gets punished for it.The jerk that ask the question is the one who should be hung.

Posted by: LDTRPT25 | May 12, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how wide she had to open her legs for trump in order to keep the crown??

Posted by: simonbm | May 12, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27

"This whole thing was an invention by the Nazi's of the left"

Just FYI ... while Nazism incorporated elements from many political theories, it is usually placed in the right / authoritarian quadrant of the political spectrum. Perhaps the full name of the group (National Socialist German Workers’ Party) confused you. Maybe you meant to say communist (left / authoritarian) or anarchist (left / libertarian). Or maybe you just like to use simple insults instead of having meaningful dialogues?

Posted by: jmhii | May 12, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how wide she had to open her legs for trump in order to keep the crown??

Posted by: simonbm

--

What would you know about that act?

Posted by: FraudObama | May 12, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

FraudObama
You may ask your mom and she will tell you how much i know about the act

Posted by: simonbm | May 12, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

FraudObama
you can ask your mother and she will tell you how much i know about the act

Posted by: simonbm | May 12, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Dear Keith Oberman,

I do not wish to devalue your beliefs to a deficient as you have done Miss California, Carrie Prejean and all who have the like-minded belief that marriage is only between a man and a woman. Your effort against her freedom of speech has offended me to the extreme and I must give you my special commentary. The conceit that you and your guests showed this woman defines the phrase demonized by the media. It saddens me that I must step down to the level of Perez Hilton and deconstruct you and the rest of those gay activists that engage in uncivilized rebuttals. It is time for us (you) to break this paraplegic mindset. You maybe a man of "some" stature to those within your circle and have relevance within your sphere of influence but this illusion of your stature is irrelevant when you disgrace right-minded people for their personal philosophy.

Perez Hilton is an imposter of a hue-man being with integrity, character or professionalism. I believe Perez Hilton is a intersexual and that must be the reason his gender identification is lost to me. From the savagery of his rants from his undeveloped mind, it seems to me he has a lot of pent-up anger for women. This anger may stem from his deep yearning and unaccomplished goal of being exclusively female from birth or quite possible and essentially relevant to his condition of confusion and choice of lifestyle, he was probable molested as a child. Perez Hilton is scum in perpetuity birth from the depths of garbage. Mr. Oberman, it is inconceivable to me that you would defend someone that called a woman a F@#King Bitch and recite such a despicable reference with gleaming pride. You are now a very powerful activist for gay marriage and the gay revolution. When you gave a special comment on one of your past show about gay marriage, I was surprise by your high intensity and your emotional reflex. You proceeded to justify the objectivity of being in favor of gay marriage in your special comment by articulating, “...I have a girlfriend...”; I believe you are suspect in nature. Unfortunately a lot of cowardly gay men claim wives and girlfriends because they fear the repercussions of their ungodly indulgence.

You profess that Michelle Bachman lives in the twilight zone and this I do agree but you must have paid for some temporary accommodations in her house within the twilight zone or you just had a moment of temporary insanity when you directly referenced Perez Hilton as an intellectual titan and a civil rights leader for denigrating Miss California, Carrie Prejean for having the same opinion held by the majority of Americans. I’m not familiar with the body of work from Perez Hilton but based his filthy articulation of gutter-ism, yes gutter-ism, the embodiment of an intellectual titan and a civil rights leader is alien to this mutation of a man. In case your advocacy for this gay revolution white washed your senses, this country is majority heterosexual(straight) and if someone chooses to express their opinion, you and your log cabin buddies should respect that opinion and if you disagree, respond with intellectual thought on the merit and not demonize those that repel your gay ideology. I have gay people in my family but I hold the right to disagree with their alternative lifestyle and if they dare disgrace me for my beliefs, I would shred them into pieces where they stand with scientific facts. The gay movement attempts to create false scientific evidence did not succeed. Starting from the time the Earth was created life’s intelligent design is the continuous evolutionary march through the path of procreation, as in Darwinism. The gay hypothesis that says gay people are gay from birth crumbles in the mist of absolute truth. You defend the right of free speech on your show and this I do agree but it seem to me that you and the gay community rejects freedom of speech for those that oppose gay marriage and the entire gay revolution. It is ironic that some of the things the gay community fight against are the same behavior they display when someone disagrees with their position, such as screaming at the top of their lungs words of bigotry and racial epithets to those that peacefully contend their views. I stand by Ms. California; marriage is only between a man and a woman and anything else is a bastardization of that act. On your show, Michael Musto ridiculed Miss California, Carrie Prejean with such distain. You and La Dolce Musto reveled in the gutter with exultant joy. Carrie Prejean was asked a question and she answered a tough and controversial question with courage, integrity, humbleness, personal truth and character. She knew she would loose the beauty pageant because the belief of the gay judge that asked the question conflicted with her belief and the response she gave. That is what you call honor Mr. Oberman and that is what you should respect!

Are we now living in a country that ridicules people for wanting straight marriages? Is it your desire Mr. Oberman that everyone turns gay or would you be satisfied if everyone lives in euphoria for gay marriages without any opposing opinions? Michael Musto is indeed hilarious, hilarious to look at. From the shoulders down he looks like he’s on a starvation diet. From the nick up he looks like Victor Conte injects steroids in his head in-preparation for the baseball season. Maybe that’s why his eyes look like he drinks too much caffeine, with his continuous gaze of a spectator looking at a scary surprise. Someone that looks like that should not do comedy because he’s a walking joke; pun intended. The impersonation of a hermaphrodite Michael Musto expressed his/her visualization and said when he/she looks at Carrie Prejean and her cosmetically enhanced boobs, she reminds him/her of basketballs. Maybe he/she really meant the size of his/her very own head reminds him/her of two basketballs. I believe the flaming radiation within him/her wished he/she had those basketball boobs so his/her man or what-ever abomination is humping on him/her from behind in the same place he/she defecates from he/she partner can also reach around and squeeze the Charmin; La Dolce Musto indeed, or is it just the order of MUSK! Is this the ritual act that gives the village its voice?

You should continue to use the platform of your show as a catalyst to sparks the internal motivation within individuals so they can move to positive actions, not supererogatory degradation. There are a lot of things people can do to make money and put themselves in the spot light but men of integrity continuously ask themselves, "What is my motivation".

I believe you should be appreciative of the integrity of those willing to stand for what they believe in. My prescription to you is to reprogram your mentality to hover on the ground, instead of in the clouds with the birds.
Based on your momentary lack of professionalism and your head in the cloud attitude, it is evident that you are a Manchurian candidate.

Mr. Oberman, I believe you should rise above gutter-ism and apologize to Carrie Prejean. What you and your overly induced estrogen guests did to her was not civil. Apologizing to Mrs. California will help you re-claim your honor. There is a long standing myth that says civilized people should be able to disagree without being disagreeable.

Good night and Good luck!

Posted by: stewkha | May 12, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Venessa Williams (for those that remembered) got her crown snatched for far less.

Ms Prejean LIED about NOT taking pictures and dishonored her contract. Pictures surfaced which proved it.

Ms. Williams didn't deny the pictures or lied about them. Crown was snatched.

Like one blogger said...in two years...who cares.

All of this was for Miss USA pagents sagging ratings.

Posted by: BigSmooov | May 12, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

simonbm

No, seriously. How would you know?

Posted by: FraudObama | May 12, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Funny, I don't remember reading about getting boob jobs in the bible. She and Trump are as fake as her tits and his orange face.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | May 12, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Fact: she was going to keep her crown; anyone could have seen it coming. There was no way Donald Trump was going to allow the publicity of this mess overshadow the other mess called "Celebrity Apprentice."

But, let's connect some dots to see a bigger picture. Celebrity Apprentice: Annie tells Trump that the behavior (abusive words, thoughts) would have been punishable in a other companies. Please tell me that another ordinary, working female understood that Annie (Duke) was taking a shot at Trump regarding his management style? I heard it loud and clear, and regardless of the outcome, agreed 100%. Did anyone else remember when Trump -during a boardroom meeting- said that he had 'tried to pick up' Brande(Roderick) at the Playboy Mansion, but she wasn't having any of it? Did Brande suddenly think that she was susceptible to being fired just because she didn't want to give him any nookie? This is a very real scenario that women (and men) have to endure: rebuke the boss' advances and find yourself without a job. More importantly, he made this comment in front of his children. How vulgar and crass! We don't want to know his sexual prowess (or lack of it) and his children certainly didn't need to know this publically.

If Trump: wouldn't take Joan Rivers to task for her hateful and unproven rhetoric; he boasted of his attempts to add another blonde to his bedpost (on television and in front of his children); purposely throws matches of dissent to get ratings, why would you think he would take this crown away from Ms. Prejean? Before any of you pull your soapboxes from the trash, here is my opinon: Perez asked the question, she answered the question. Perez acted like he was trying to 'out' someone; Prejean wasn't hiding. The only thing she needs is better coaching on formulating her thoughts into coherent answers in a short amount of time.

Posted by: mukazzi | May 12, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; Idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions And envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

We all fall short and I am sure most of you have done one or two of these, but because someone makes a verbal stand for what is right they are a bigot? People call people bigots when they have no other way to disprove what they know sre right but are unwilling to conform.

Posted by: hanocul6 | May 12, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Marriage cannot be redefined because the survival of the hue-man race and the definition of civilization are already married to one man, one woman and child.

Redefining marriage to include same sex union is a bastardization of the act of marriage.

If god and/or nature were in agreement with homosexuality then “she” would have given gay couples to ability to carry the water for the entire hue-man race. Nature would have given them the ability to procreate independently of the opposite sex as in self-fertilization. There is no such thing as a gay gene or any individual being born gay at birth. The existence of a gay gene is an absolute lie. The gay ideology crumbles in the face of absolute scientific evidence such as Darwinism or the theory of evolution as prescribed by Teilhard de Chardin.

Ask any gay advocate or gay activist if they believe in evolution such as Darwinism and then you will see the hypocrisy and the con they play upon our hue-manity.

Dictionary.com defines Darwinism as The Darwinian Theory that species originate by descent, with variation, from parent forms, through the natural selection of those individuals best adapted for the reproductive success of their kind.

My question to you is, “do you believe gay people (same sex unions) are best adapted for the reproductive success of the hue-man race?

Homosexuality is ungodly and unnatural!!!

Posted by: stewkha | May 12, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I love it! WP was on this story when they could help vilify her for her opinion -- every detail, very precise! Now, she won big time, gave a great speech, etc. and the story gets a quick, bored, lets-move-on gloss.

I just know something really good is going to come of the impending expiration of most of the MSM -- like maybe a return to some scintilla objectivity in reporting by whatever is left....

Posted by: FranklinS | May 12, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about her personal views. I have ahard time explaining to my young daughter why she's had a boob job at 21 (!) and why nude or seminude pictures of her are out when she's supposed to represent "traditional values." She looks like a hypocrite. Trump is little more than a self-aggrandizing pimp.

Posted by: gce1356 | May 12, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

All of this over a comment in America........

The reaction is so in line with the muddled mix of male and female emotions vying for transient dominance in the head of the homosexual.

Tolerance and a cure..........the first now, the second some day soon.

Posted by: georgedixon1 | May 12, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm liberal and pro-GLBT and I didn't care about what she said. Let her talk all she wants. I can't believe this has endured as a topic.

"Marriage" as practiced in America these days is kind of far from the Christian ideal. People get married and divorced with such frequency it's shocking. That is undermining the institution and the traditional family. It's objectionable that people who go through husbands and wives like a change of clothing think they ought to call their relationship a "God-sanctioned marriage."

But if they can find a church that says so, fine. I support any religious organization that wants to restrict its marriage bonding to one man and one woman. I don't think the state should be involved in private organizational business.

We should do what Mexico does (IIRC), which is not recognize any religious wedding as a state contract. The state should only recognize its own contract (the civil wedding) and the couple can go off to a church, synagogue or whatever to do their religious service, which is not a state matter.

Much easier and doesn't provide state cover for a private religious matter.


Posted by: Matthew_DC | May 12, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Ahh...WashingtonDame you might want to actually read the article before posting a comment.

Posted by: azandy | May 12, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

WashingtonDame did you read the article:

In fact, Trump reminded reporters, it was "the same answer the president gave" when asked about gay marriage...

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Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | May 12, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

And you two should read ALL the comments before you posted, because then you would have seen that I realized my mistake and apologized for my error.

Your turn now.


Posted by: WashingtonDame | May 12, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I hope Rosie O'Donnell pipes in with her comments about Trump tryiing to act as a moral compass again. The last fight they had was hilarious.

Posted by: imaginaryfriend2 | May 12, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

FraudObama
I know because Trump is a crook and goes after girls that are his grand daughter's age.
It does not take a rocket scientist to figure it out, and if you don't see it you must be really dump

Posted by: simonbm | May 12, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The pics have won Carrie renown
The calls came for her to step down;
But Trump calls them 'Fine.
There's no need to resign
In fact, wear the crown and no gown.'
Yet still she has upset the grumps
Who went to the Don, of the Trumps.
He said 'They're not lewd.
From them I conclude
That Carrie has taken her lumps.'

News Short n' Sweet by JFD8
http://twitter.com/JFD8

Posted by: jd121 | May 12, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Left and Right comments, some people have too much time for these epic/novel responses for today. Carrie's contract said nude or semi-nude photos that were for publications. None of these photo's were intended by her for publication. These photo were feed by the people who were crying over her answer and wanted to bring light their agenda and It back-fired! I may not agree with him on everything (Like firing Anne Duke on Apprentice) I applaud Mr. Trump’s actions today. Yes he likes media attention but I don’t think he was planning it with P.Hilton over a cup of coffee.

Posted by: perspective4 | May 12, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Please spell check your articles, Post. "Relevent" is actually spelled "relevant." Embarrassing.

Posted by: goheels | May 12, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

jmhii - Nope. "Nazis" pretty much sums up the actions and ideology of the left, which seeks to impose their will and views, and only their views, upon the rest of society.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | May 12, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm,

What I find digusting is how Miss California stood on that stage expressing her anger, emotions, about how she was viciously attacked and demonized and how all of this was unfair and immoral simply because she expressed her 1st Amendments Rights. She didn't express this critique in some intellectual, esoteric, civilized, un-emotional, non-angry way -- hell no! She got to experience first-hand what it "feels like" to be "attacked, persecuted, hated" ... something every single LGBT citizens must tolerate on all levels every day of their life! Yet when any of LGBT citizen feels attacked, persecutetd, hated upon and thus defends themself, the culprits engage in their self-serving double-standard hypocrite logic -- why are you so angry, hurt, defensive, not intellectual, esoteric, ad nausem.

I'm 100% euphoric that Miss California is "feeling pain" (be it psychological, emotional, or physical). Perhaps, just perhaps, her homophobic, heterosexist, bimbo brain will process the internal-contradictions and hypocrasies going on in her empty head. Perhaps she'll wake up and say: "OMG! So this is what it feels like to be targeted and victimized! OMG! Maybe I should stop doing to others what I now don't like being done to me. OMG! Maybe I shouldn't hide behind any status-quo 1st Amendment Rights to express and act-out my bigotry -- because those I target (and their allies) might just reciprocate, defend themself, and do so because they too have 1st Amendment Rights."

Miss California, if we can all just "agree to disagree" then why are YOU SO ANGRY, FEELING SO HURT because others just like you express and act-on their 1st Amendment Rights. Oh, let me guess! 1st Amendment Rights only apply, are extended, to heterosexual white females who espoused homophobic beliefs and acts on them -- advocated our government prohibited/ban LGBT from being married. Isn't that government the same one LGBTs pay taxes to?

Isn't government the same one that is supposed to defend and protect and empower the rights of all 307 citizens, not just bigots! Do you not see you're a walking-talking civil rights hypocrite as a heterosexual white female who claims to be empowering other women, representing the equal rights of all women. Why should I (a heterosexual black male) support and advocate any protecting and creating of civil rights, equal rights, for you against all the sexist/mysognist values in our culture when YOU seek to rationalize discriminating against another group, and claim it is an apples and orange issue -- heterosexual women shouldn't be discriminated against but LGBT should, based on your subjective religious, secular, political, and opportunistic beliefs. Yes, you and our President do share something in common -- you're both walking-talking civil rights hypocrites.

Posted by: GroupThink | May 12, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Neocon/Right/Wrong Wing Nuts are scary, senseless people. What a bunch of cry babies. Of course its okay for them to whine and scream and bash others for doing the same because they can. I bet if Miss Pre-jean was a liberal, these neo-con would be all over here. Why don't you (Christians) pratice what you preach. That way people wont have to call you a hypocrite.

Posted by: loewsing | May 12, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"jmhii - Nope. "Nazis" pretty much sums up the actions and ideology of the left, which seeks to impose their will and views, and only their views, upon the rest of society."

This from someone who claims to have voted for Obama.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | May 12, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

All Trump wants is to get his list of females in place for the day when his wife
divorces him. Trump is after Carrie's body, which has breast implants and who knows what else.

Posted by: gbapiag | May 12, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

You lefties played this ALL wrong. You want equality? Then offer it.

But no. you showed your hand - and it wasnt pretty. it was spiteful, close minded and mean spirited...all the things you claim you oppose.

Trump has a good point..this position is not to far from Obama's - and most of America...

Posted by: capntrips | May 12, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

loewsing- If Christians were perfect then people would say stop being so judgmental and better than thou! and if they make a mistake (we are human) we are hypocrites. We just try to live with a standard by what we believe is true and not what works for today but not tomorrow. If we don't forgive and try to understand all people ( group think) than we are no better than what we strive to be. However trying to up root a tradition (marriage) puts you on the offensive not the defense but I understand you have been hurt and angered and I pray for you for finding forgiveness in this crazy world that all try to live and breath in.

Posted by: perspective4 | May 12, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

That is one bizarre looking young woman. And she's vapid.

Posted by: Annandale | May 12, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"In fact, Trump reminded reporters, it was "the same answer the president gave" when asked about gay marriage...

Priceless!

Again the media bias is revealed!

Posted by: ElCentroCaBoy | May 12, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

For Donald Trump there is no such thing as bad publicity. And who was the winner of the pageant???

Posted by: homer4 | May 12, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I have to add...

Mr. Trump,

You revealed something today that was surely very private about yourself. Not only are you a man who does it "his way" (which is something sorely missing in our country) but you revealed you are indeed a mentor to applaud.

Salute!

Posted by: ElCentroCaBoy | May 12, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's see here...you two reporting chicks mockingly tell us about implants and then tell us Trump called his pageant "relevent," instead of relevant. Maybe you all should enter pageants instead of reporting.

Posted by: saladdaysagain | May 12, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Good. Maybe now she'll quit crying about being a martyr for her beliefs.

If she'd been an athlete, she'd have been accused of poor sportsmanship. Two days after the pageant, she's on the "Today" show, acting as if the title was hers to lose, and not a single congratulatory word to the winner, Miss N.C. (who was prettier, picked a better gown, and showed more poise in her interview). What a sore loser, and what an ego.

Posted by: valandsend | May 12, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Whores For Jesus
I'm waiting for her video.

Posted by: ost123 | May 12, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The best part of today's announcement was when Trump, very astutely, referred to the FACT that it's the want-to-poke-your-eyes- out they are so uuuuuuuuuuuugly 'females' and gayhippity-hoppyhomos folks who hate women like gorgeous people like Miss C.

bammie agrees with Carrie on this one, so why all the bile in her direction?

Because MUTTBUTTUgly 'females' (using that word loosely)and prissyprancinggay guys... HATE beautiful woman.

It just makes uglies/homos day if they can get a shot at a good-looking girl.

Too bad, reallyuglyassclowns.

Crawl back into your hideous/gay person hovels.

Big Donnie Trump has spoken!!!!

Posted by: 2xy4k9 | May 12, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The positive side of Miss California keeping her crown and espousing her "religious" personal beliefs, affirmed by Donald Trump, is that conservatism, christianity, and republicanism have re-defined themself:

1. All christians (male and especially females) can now run away semi-nude, wear g-string bath-suits in public and at church.

2. All christians (male and especially females) can now watch porno and just claim its "risque" and "edgy" models and actors expressing their artistic 1st Amendment Rights.

3. All bible manufacturers can now put semi-nude (g-string-bikini) of female models on the cover of their bibles and market them to traditonal heterosexual sexually liberated homophobic christian women.

4. All nuns, priests, and pastors (even the Pope) can feel sexually liberated, express their semi-nudity because GOD loves semi-nude Christians.

5. All christian women can now go out get a "boob-job" because GOD loves "silicone tits" in a g-string bikini.

Yes, though unintentional, Miss California has sexually liberated Christians, especially females, from any notions of prudity, non-erotic-dress, and women using their body/looks as means of occupational mobility. Yes, Miss California has re-defined and now symbolizes what it means to be a Christian/Female -- fake boobs, g-string-bikini, hate gays, procreate like Octo-Mom, and become an upwardly mobile sex-object. Yes, I can see how Miss California is a role-model for empowering the equal rights and self-determination of all women -- oppps, except any female who happens to be lesbian, bisexual, or transgender/sexual.

Yep, next Sunday I'm wearing my g-string to church, redefining myself as a Christian-Male-Chipendale, and yelling at the top of my erotic male sex object lungs: "Praise Jesus! Thank You Lord! Thank You God! For Liberating Me!"

I hope all those heterosexual (especially homophobic) Christian mothers raise their daughters to "emulate" Miss California:) Us heterosexual (especially homophobic) males promise to love, cherish, and screw these future heterosexual wives (liberated christian sex objects) until death do us part ... via our exclusive opposite-sex marriage institution:)

If any heterosexual females doubt Miss California promotes this "backward view of women" then ask Donald Trump's ex-wives about the religious-sanctity and opposite-sex-benefits of marriage ... I'm sure they all thought their White Knight In Shining Billion-Dollar-Arm would love, cherish, and protect them, provide them a lovely Castle, until death do them part, without a pre-nuptial agreement:)

Posted by: GroupThink | May 12, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Donald Trump is making the most out of the publicity stunt he is in the middle of. Well done, sir. Let her keep her crown. She has an opinion, so what? Maybe the trumpster, like me, feels that the real creep was that judge with an attitude that started this whole thing. I'm a democrat, and OK with gay marriage if that's what two people want, but I still believe that marriage has historically and predominantly meant a union between a man and a woman. The judge who started this whole thing gives me the heebie jeebies -so does his attitude. Horrible pick for ANY pageant. I also later heard the various questions later on and to me they sounded like questions for a Meet the Press or Face the Nation type of show. The questions were simply too political and way out of place for any beauty pageant, and nothing like the sorts of questions that I remember hearing at other pageants throughout the years.
I did find it disturbingly creepy when she mentioned "satan" in her explanation of things afterwards. She's a beaty Queen - and all this is doing is making her the new Sarah Palin.

Posted by: jfern03 | May 12, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

For a few minutes today, it felt as if we were in Bushland.

I 100% stand behind Prejean's 1st amendment right to speak her mind. But I was troubled with her photos and the lies and her not consulting the pageant committee when signing up with NOM.

It was the fact that Trump called this the 21st century, where these photos will be deemed harmless, yet 12th century attitudes towards gays will prevail. I'm sure his bottom line dictated this outcome. Coward!

Posted by: Dale8 | May 12, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse


i didn't expect anything less from donald trump. i'm sure he sniffs miss california's bicycle seat after a workout and gets a little 2 inch boner.

i'll never forget watching rosie o'donnell on the view the time she looked into the camera and pooched her lips and flipped her hair over like the donald d*ckhead does, and said, "i'm donald trump.."

she was HILARIOUS!!!!!!

i guess it was the last act of defiance for rosie.. but hell.. i respect rosie for standing up to that p*ckerhead any day...

:D

psssssst... hey donald.. miss california just finished her bike ride.. you better hurry...

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | May 12, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

My morning BM was more interesting than this article...

Posted by: dlkimura | May 12, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Donald has succintly framed the issue for the gay community on gay marriage: when do you run out of surrogates to attack, and then must come to terms with the position of the President (and the American people as a whole)?

Obama is the gayest friendly dude you are going to see in the White House in your lifetimes. If you can't get him to fall in love with gay marriage, it's over except for a few states.

Hmm...why not just drop all the angst, Perez, and move to Iowa with your girlfriend/boyfriend.

Posted by: Curmudgeon10 | May 12, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Please correct me if I am WRONG!!, but during the presidental race , Did not the President, said that he was in favor of Gay Marriage? as did Marion Barry, Washington,DC Council Member, and now they both have changed their vote, The Miss America winner, truly spoke her mind,being a Proud Gay American , I respect her for her honsety even if I don't agree, she told how see felt, this is what Marion Marion and the Preident should have done, they, Barry and The President only ssid yes at the time to get the Gay vote, it was election time, and like most people say thing's to get the vote of that group of people. they got the Gay Vote (Group), under lie's to the Gay People and their Friends and Family member's, SHAME ON THEM BOTH !!!

Posted by: onesugar1 | May 12, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Carrie Prejean is exercising her freedom of speech and she has every right to her opinions. This "wanna be" Perez Hilton character appears to be a biased judge who marked Carrie down because he disagreed with her opinion. Hmmmm... He sounds like a little bully who attempted to intimidate her for voicing an opinion that he disagreed with. I hope that Donald Trump can come up with more fair-minded and objective judges next time who do not bully and attempt to intimidate contestants when they disagree with their values or opinions. Bottom line: Perez Hilton did not show respect to Ms. Prejean for her personal opinions, and he attempted to bully her because he disagreed with her. This is my opinion, of course.

Posted by: dotherightthing3 | May 12, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Carrie Prejean represents exactly what is wrong with today's right-wing Christians in the United States. They believe that as long as they oppose abortion and homosexuality they can live like any other people and still be considered as holier-than-thou good Christians.

The only area in which Carrie Prejean distinguished herself as a Christian from all others is her stance against the same-sex marriage. Other than this, I do not see how Carrie Prejean as a Christian is different from other people.

And you look at other right-wing Christians in this country and you will find them similar to Carrie Prejean. Other than opposing abortion and homosexuality and voting for the GOP, you will not see them significantly different from other people.

Posted by: politicalmajority | May 12, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Miss California wasn't exercising her 1st Amendments Rights. She was asked a question by one of 8 judges representing her potential employer -- The Miss USA pageant.

I'm not exercising my 1st Amendment Rights posting on the WashingtonPost blog. I do so with permission and under constraints. The WP can revoke that privilege at any time they don't like what I write. 1st Amendment Rights have more to do with our government not prohibiting/banning certain public and political speech. Try yelling "FIRE" in a crowded movie theater, claiming you were "joking", just exercising your 1st Amendment Rights, and see whether any court accepts such as a defense after you're arrested and sitting in front of a judge. How else could Donald Trump have any legal right to fire or not fire Miss California, if she was exercising her legal 1st Amendment Rights -- perhaps because he is the owner/her employer:)

So enough with the freedom of speech defense of her espoused bigotry. She was asked a question by a judge hired by an employer (The Miss USA Pageant), Perez didn't like the answer (and neither did I and I'm straight), and so he penalized her (as I most assuredly would have too). Most of us should know this is a risk we take whenever we open our mouth at a job interview -- which isn't about 1st Amendment Rights. We don't get to say whatever we want, however we want, and anywhere we want 1st Amendment wise!

Freedom of Speech is not an absolute unconstrained right in our nation, especially in a job interview context. This is why Miss California has agreed to keep her mouth shut about her anti-gay beliefs while under contract with her employer. So let's see whether she breaks that gag-rule contract and if so whether she's fired. Then again this is a woman who claims GOD authorized her to get a boob-job, take semi-nude photos, oppose gay marriage, and claims expressing her fake-spirituality is a 1st Amendment Right. This is a woman who claims she heard GOD and SATAN talking in her head, each telling her what to do. All I can say is -- Jim Jones would have loved for Miss California to join his cult.

P.S.

Don't drink any Jim Jones kool-aid if Miss California offers it. Those weren't spiritual (GODLY and SATANIC) voices she heard but PMS speaking -- her repressed fake-christian "Porno Mentality Speaking". Hell, if Catholic Priests can rationalize GOD wants them to molest children, then surely GOD can authorize Miss California to be a spiritual-homophobe.

Posted by: GroupThink | May 12, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Many people defend her answer because "it came from her heart". Lest we forget, hatred also comes from the heart...Hitler, genocide, hate crimes, etc. It was just an opinion she expressed, that wasn't even original since she explained, "That's how I was raised."

Posted by: BlueStapler | May 13, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Donald Trump and the Miss USA Pageant did the right thing today in announcing Miss Carrie Prejean may maintain her title as Miss California and runner-up of the Miss USA Beauty Pageant.

I understand any straight man can abundantly judge a Miss USA Beauty Pageant. I can understand any straight woman can wholly judge a Miss USA Beauty Pageant. I have difficulty in appreciation as to how two (2) homosexuals could honestly judge a Miss USA Beauty Pageant. I have a quandary as to how and why these homosexuals were appointed as judges in a Miss USA Beauty Pageant. I would further inquire as to why Perez Hilton or any other homosexual would choose to serve as a judge in a Miss USA Beauty Pageant.

Miss USA Pageant candidates are females, and the winner is based on pure beauty, character, and intelligence. Homosexuals are men who like men, not women. Could it be these homosexuals were supporting a social issue rather than a true Miss USA Pageant? Was Perez Hilton there just in support, and to further a "self-promoting and homosexual" campaign agenda against Miss Prejean or any other straight, but expressly Miss Prejean in knowing she attended San Diego Christian College? Donald Trump may choose to respond to these questions.

Posted by: oharward | May 13, 2009 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Oharward,

Any straight man can "abundantly" judge heterosexual female beauty, character, and intelligence. Why? You don't say. Any straight female can "wholly" judge heterosexual female beauty, character, and intelligence. Why? You don't explain. But no gay male can judge heterosexual female beauty, character, and intelligience. Why? You do say: Homosexuals are men who like men, not women. Do you not see the fallacy in your myopic reductionist logic? Do you not recognize your homophobia?

I'm a straight male. I'm sexually attracted to "some" heterosexual females. I'm also sexually attracted to "some" non-heterosexual females -- meaning lesbian, bi-sexual, and transgender/sexuals ... their aesthetic looks/body. Also, my "heterosexuality" doesn't constitute some inherent knowledge, skill, and ability (expertise) to judge the "character" and "intelligence" of "heterosexual" females -- or any human being, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender. Moreover, I'm not sexually attracted to males. Yet I can judge whether their aesthetic looks/body (whether they're handsome/attractive). I also may or may not be able to judge their character and intelligence -- wherein one should be careful about defining and measuring human cognitive abilities.

But what if I am a straight black male and categorically am not sexually attracted to non-black or "white" females -- whether they're heterosexual, bi-sexual, lesbian, or transgender/sexual? What if I were a bi-sexual male, meaning I'm sexually attracted to males and females. Do these social identities, sexual orientation, and racial attributes still qualify me to judge the beauty, character, and smartness of a heterosexual, young, white female? Moreover, straight women aren't necessarily sexually attracted to heterosexual females, categorically or selectively, in the way you infer above. So what attributes qualifies them to judge heterosexual female beauty, character, and intelligence -- their being "female"? If true, then would this not also qualify bi-sexual, lesbian, and transgender/sexual females? What if these "females" (regardless of sexual orientation) don't find "white skin complexion" to be "aesthetically attractive" -- only "black, asian, hispanic, etc" skin-complexion to be beautiful.

In short, one cannot reduce complex human beings down to any one single attribute, social identity. Each of us have multiple social identities, complex values, and a set of knowledge, skills, and abilities, all augmented by our respective life experiences and education. To claim that ALL "heterosexual males" and ALL "heterosexual females" regardless of their age, race, class, KSAs, values, aesthetic likes/dislikes can categorically judge "a group" (heterosexual females regardless of their age, race, class, KSAs, values, etc) but not ALL "gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender/sexual" human beings is, well -- just HETEROSEXIST IGNORANT STUPID!

Posted by: GroupThink | May 13, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

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