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Posted at 10:41 PM ET, 12/12/2010

At Elizabeth Edwards funeral, a show of support against protesters

By The Reliable Source

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Left: John Edwards and his children, Emma Claire, far left, Jack and Cate leave Edenton Street United Methodist Church in Raleigh after funeral services for Elizabeth Edwards. Right: A Westboro Baptist Church member protests during the funeral. (Jim R. Bounds Photo, Reuters)

For all of the hundreds of people who turned out to pay respects to Elizabeth Edwards in Raleigh, N.C., on Saturday, observers noted a few vacant and available seats inside Edenton Street United Methodist Church. Many members of the public, it seems, chose to show their support for the Edwards family outside, as a rebuke to a small, oddball group of perennial anti-gay protesters from Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas, reports our colleague Aaron Leitko. Elizabeth was never troubled by protesters, and even welcomed them, her longtime friend Hargrave McElroy said in a eulogy: "She saw [them] as a sign she was really making a difference."

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The Westboro Baptist Church is a despicable group of people who call themselves Christians. The do not show any of the traits of Christ's teachings. Thank you brave Christian Citizen friends of Elizabeth Edwards for standing up against this group of hate mongers.

Posted by: mac_rob | December 13, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The Westboro Baptist Church is a despicable group of people who call themselves Christians. The do not show any of the traits of Christ's teachings. Thank you brave Christian Citizen friends of Elizabeth Edwards for standing up against this group of hate mongers.
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Agreed....and what do you call the ‘Religious Right’ and what did you call Jerry Falwell?

Posted by: question-guy | December 13, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse


Baptists are the most fractious, cantankerous, hate-filled cult to be found within the so-called main-stream born-again movement.

Lock two baptists inside a closet - after taking away their weapons, of course - let them out an half-hour later, and you will discover three churches have been created.


Posted by: chamateddy | December 13, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The Religious right is not right and Jerry Falwell did not fall well.

The Phelps bunch are media whores who believe anything that gets them is the press is good. Best to just point and snicker when you see them.

Posted by: whatsamatayou | December 13, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Phelps and his gang of jerks reminds me of the Tea Party in one critical way: They seem to take pride in their contrariness to the point that they don't even care if they are wrong. As long as it makes "liberals" mad, they'll do it just for spite.

Posted by: DAMNEDGENTLEMEN | December 13, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Why do people continue to allow (groups) to attend their loved ones funeral? If anyone other than friends or relatives came to one of my loved one's funeral...there would be a lot more funerals! This is ridiculous...

Posted by: lolas13 | December 13, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

You can find a decent Baptist -- one who lives his religion rather than professes it, as if he were a member of some club, like the Moral majority. (By the way, chamateddy, What do I call Jerry Falwell? "Gratefully Dead".)
You run into a Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton, but they are hated by other Baptists for not being bigoted enough, or a Martin Luther King, who's hated by Southern Baptists for obvious reasons.

And then, there are the Westboro Baptists, who proudly take hate to the next level. Words fail me -- "despicable," "mean," "stupid," seem inadequate. They don't worship the same god Christians worship. As for Jesus? Why, they would have picketed the crucifixion, celebrating His death!

Posted by: lbjack | December 13, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I certainly would not have allowed john (babie) to attend...i should think that he would be too much busy getting a $4000 hair cut on the tarmac in a Taxpayer Jet Plane too attend anyway...

Posted by: lolas13 | December 13, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Pray for those people...and John Edwards.

Posted by: roskoreh | December 13, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Westboro Baptist people are not mainstream Baptists or even a church in the general sense of the word. It just Fred Phelps and his family making fools of themselves. To the person who thanked the "brave Christian friends" of Elizabeth Edwards for standing up to them -- how do you know they were Christians? You can't just assume that.

Posted by: jackmanm | December 13, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

ibjack is right: there are many "varieties" of people who identify with the Baptists. In the south, particularly, everyone who hears a "word from God," (or perhaps wants a tax exemption) seems to start their own "Baptist" church. They have little in common with one another. Some are liberal, most are conservative, some - like this one - are simply hate groups dressed up in "Christian" clothing. One of the main tenants of the Southern Baptist church had to do with the local church's ability to define their own beliefs - unfortunately, conservatives took over and pushed through a fundamentalist agenda, declaring also that women could no longer be pastors, those who were already had to be defrocked, demanded a literalist understanding of scripture on them, along with a conservative political agenda. Any churches that did not go along were forced out. American Baptists are an entirely different group; there are also more "independent" Baptist churches than there are in either the ABC or SBC, generally none of them affiliated with any group. Besides the autonomy of the individual church, they believe in adult baptism by immersion, salvation by faith in Jesus as God's Son, hold a theology of Jesus as an "atoning sacrifice," as central to their understanding of him, and had a two-fold ministry of pastors and deacons. They all believe in the centrality of Scripture. Some hold to the ancient creeds of the church, while others do not. I can't think of anything else that they hold in common.

Posted by: garoth | December 13, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

RIP...Elizabeth....The poor women had a rough end, not just from the Cancer. Didn't support or vote for her husband, but I truly wish Elizabeth's children and family all the best, especially the kids left without a mother. I will refrain from commenting on her husband, but for those nut jobs protesting the funeral, (and the funerals of our Vets killed in action)...I hope you guys go to the wrong funeral one day and get you're A S S E S beat!

Posted by: eello | December 13, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Gutless liberals - heap hate and abuse on Christians for not enthusastically supporting every harebrained idea that pops out of some leftist's thick skull, but detonating Muslims must be "understood" and coddled.

Posted by: NoDonkey | December 13, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

i think the main point here, is that a woman has died. She was a daughter, a wife, a mother. She had a career and worked hard to make a difference in the world. She bravely faced many difficulties in her life and has left us far too soon. I hope her children, family and friends can find solace in the fact that she was loved by many, respected by even more and will be missed by all.

Posted by: MarilynManson | December 13, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I find it very interesting that the majority of comments, I have to assume, are made by Democratic supports of Mrs. Edwards. A large part of the Democratic Party is composed of minorities (Blacks) who are members of the various branches of the Baptist Church. Strange that they (commenters) really believe what they say about the Baptist maybe some of the Democratic minorities should take a hard look at the Democratic core, they might be surprised how much they really are hated but used by their "party".

Posted by: staterighter | December 13, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Crap! I was hoping someone would take a shot at these POS.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | December 13, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Some years ago, the last time the AIDS quilt was displayed in its entirety on the Mall, a band of hate-filled Westboro hecklers tried to disrupt the candle-light march down Pennsylvania Avenue. Spontaneously, the strains of "We Shall Overcome" broke out among the marchers, and as we approached the Westboro group, the marchers sang louder and louder, drowning out their shouts and jeers. It was a dignified and moving response to the presence of evil.

Posted by: rehobothgg | December 13, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Gutless liberals - heap hate and abuse on Christians for not enthusastically supporting every harebrained idea that pops out of some leftist's thick skull, but detonating Muslims must be "understood" and coddled.

Posted by: NoDonkey | December 13, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Ummmmm....right. Sounds more like "yesdonkey" when you look in the mirror

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | December 13, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Westboro is nothing but a pack of scumbags who call themselves "Babtists". They actually are from hell, and work directly for the Devil. They need to be sued to stop using the words Babtist and Church in their name and should not have any type of tax exempt status. Maybe they could change their name to "Satin's Westboro Nest".

Posted by: citigreg | December 13, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

All this hate spewed against all Baptists because Westboro shares the name. Why isn't there hate against the Catholic Church of the Redeemed Pedophiles and Priestly Perverts.
Sounds like the true catholic church to me.

But this will be considered abuse because it isn't against Baptists.

Posted by: LarryinMD | December 13, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

As a 62 year old gay man I have found that most christians (note lower case "c")are not Christ-like at all. Jesus taught love and peace ... christians have perverted His views into hate and fear. IMHO, if there's a "second coming", Jesus is gonna be pretty disappointed and a LOT of you christians
are gonna find out that He's not too pleased with you.

Posted by: pormike123 | December 13, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

The Westboro Baptist Church is so despicable that just about everyone, from liberals to conservatives, from religious people to atheists- most everyone is in agreement that these "people" (and I use that term loosely" are nothing more than loudmouthed wastes of space.

Condolences to the Edwards family and their friends, and I am sorry that their mourning was disrupted by these "protesters."

Posted by: VarmintOfDarkness | December 13, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, for most Christians, the Westboro nitwits are more Biblical than they are. The bible indeed tells its believers to kill homosexuals, to treat women as property, etc. It is only by cherry-picking the Bible that you can make it in any way reflect modern morals. It's time to get rid of a primitive superstition that each beleiver "interprets" in their own way, according to their own hates and desires.

Posted by: amccormick | December 13, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

For anyone to protest during this or any funeral is tacky and dispicable, but for the media to even report on it, like this story, is just as bad if not more so.

Posted by: sjac1 | December 13, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

It will be very interesting to see what happens when one of the Westboro dies. Old man Phelps is not young, and what he reaps so he may sow!

Posted by: janecolby | December 13, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This is why we, the atheists, will be able to wipe religion off the face of the earth one day. Sooner would be better than later.

Posted by: Mitchavery7 | December 13, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Does this Westboro "church" have tax exempt status? If so, it needs to be revoked, and retroactive fines imposed.

Posted by: gmatusk1 | December 13, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This is a hate group, not a church. They shouldn't enjoy tax exempt status.

Posted by: bikes-everywhere | December 13, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

No religion has a corner on idiots and zealots within their congregations. To vilify Baptist because of the Westboro Church's idiots and zealots is pure nonsense. The City of Raleigh did an outstanding job of giving the Edwards family the peace and serenity needed and keeping the Westboro folks a block or so away and out of sight. The tactics Westboro uses as media opportunists is graceless but legal in the USA. I would no more participate with them than I would lie down in a pig sty but I will defended their right to do it as I believe most Americans would.

Posted by: shackiraq | December 13, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I am with lolas13 ---if they showed up while I am mourning a friend or relative I would gladly go to jail to slap the you know what out of them. Please people express your viewpoint within the bounds of decency!

Posted by: mariarodriguez1 | December 13, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I am with lolas13 ---if they showed up while I am mourning a friend or relative I would gladly go to jail to keep them out. Please people express your viewpoint within the bounds of decency!

Posted by: mariarodriguez1 | December 13, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I think a virtuous anti-Westboro Baptist Church action would be for a large group to attend a funeral they've chosen to defile. The group would get there early enough to guarantee that they could stand silently between the funeral home or church and Rev.(sic) Phelps...with their backs to him and his spawn of satan followers.

Posted by: lahhtims | December 13, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear Post....and all other media outlets...WHY do you continue to give the Westboro group all this free press? YOU are contributing to their cause by promoting it for nothing. (How much does an add in your paper run these days?) We got it...these people like to stand on the street corner and openly demonstrate their hatred for others. Move on....don't you think that there are other more important events going on in the world that deserve our attention? If you are trying to give away free space I can think of hundreds of worth while causes to spill you ink or pixels on.

Posted by: paulajraposo | December 13, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Do you know what I like about religious extremists of every color and stripe? Which includes these Westboro Whackos? NOTHING, not a God damned thing. They are the reason that Planet Earth is in such bloody turmoil right now, causing thousands of people to die. These crazies need to wise up, or be exterminated themselves.

Posted by: cwdavis46 | December 13, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

There is no dignity more effective than that which Elizabeth Edwards showed in the final years of her remarkable life.
Do I agree with her husbands' politics? Nope. As her politics were rather similar to his I reckon that we would have many things to "argue" about.
What can never be argued about is that these haters from Westboro lack common decency. Their behavior is not just anti-Gay or anti-this or that, it's anti-American. Under no circumstances should they be allowed to disrupt ANY funeral, much less a serviceman's or Mrs. Edwards. They're punks who care about no one but themselves and show their true colors when they pull stunts like this.
Many thanks to those mourners who stayed outside and made the punks keep their distance and blessings on the Edwards family - especially John who will live the rest of his life with a guilt he surely deserves for his "me first" behavior. Hopefully the family will reconcile and, especially for the little ones, carry on together. Mrs. Edwards is irreplaceable.

Posted by: 34thBombGroup | December 13, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

These fake religious nuts without one single shred of Christ's influence, need to be charged with criminal harassment as a hate crime.

Posted by: 2Funny | December 13, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

These fake religious nuts without one single shred of Christ's influence, need to be charged with criminal harassment as a hate crime.

Posted by: 2Funny | December 13, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Elizabeth lived her life with grace, and ended it with grace. As much of a cad as John Edwards may have been ("... and who among you is without sin?") I am glad that he was able to be with her at the end, and I'm sure his family felt the same. As for the Westboro crew, well... they are unsightly media hogs and we would all be better off if they would be ignored by everyone except law enforcement (including the IRS.) Most religions-- and not just the WBC-- really are devoid of real grace, even though they throw the word around so easily. While there are a few philosophies that are a credit to humanity, I cannot see a religion that is, in its entirety. It's sad, and disheartening to see so much waste of potential in the human race; it feels as if we are, and have been, short-changing our own future for centuries.

Posted by: prufrock3 | December 13, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

@amccormick

I love your ignorant view of Christianity. It shows how little you and others know of the religion. It also shows how little you understand the concept of context and critical thinking. Thank you for proving just how ignorant those who do NOT read and understand the Bible truly are.

Posted by: jdubyaa | December 13, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Isn't interesting that these people can speak hate in the name of GOD! "Love they neighbor as thyself." No caveats there.

Posted by: turtletrot11 | December 13, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Do not lump all Baptists with these hate mongers. True Baptists are Christians. These kooks are not Christians.

Posted by: ronwk109 | December 13, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

There are many comments above saying that the Westboro Group of Monkeys are not real Baptists...Well, will the real Baptiste please stand up against this group that is pro porting to be Baptiste. This parading of their holy goodness in such an evil way ought to have ramifications. If these are the less evolved Baptiste, would the more evolved Baptiste please say something to this group....

Posted by: aldussault | December 13, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I am planning to attend Fred Phelps' funeral when the time comes and think I'd like to convince another 1000 folks to join me. Perhaps we can send him off as he did at so many other's funerals.

Posted by: Nyhuguenot | December 13, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Why did they have a church funeral for her? from what I've been able to find out about her, she didn't believe there is a god......check the facebook statement.


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Posted by: rsslmorgan | December 14, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I see no difference between these so-called Baptist fundamentalists and other fundamentalists, such as the muslim extremists. It has a lot to do with being civilized; they are both still living in the Middle Ages. Elizabeth dealt with great personal tragedies in an honorable and admirable way. That shows her civilization.

Posted by: marliesvandijen | December 14, 2010 5:06 AM | Report abuse

Any religion that wants money to atone for your sins has got to be bunkum. Once in our time the only growth industry on earth was "Religion". The Jews were first, next came the Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Muslims etc. The only redeeming feature of Buddhism is that it is not a religion but a philosophy and no myths and no forgiveness for your sins and no heaven or hell. You are left with only your conscience to punish or reward you for your sins or good deeds.

Posted by: shaik1 | December 14, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Religions did exist in the olden days, but they were used as a means to educate the people in the period there were no books or printing. When there was an epidemic of swine fever, the people were told that God had decreed that you should refrain from eating pork which is observed even today in some religions despite the advance in health care. But if sins can be fogiven just by giving money, then the poor is handicapped and the Hell must be full of them.

Posted by: shaik1 | December 14, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

It would be a remarkable thing if the people in this comment thread, who are speaking so vehemently against ALL Christians & Baptists as being horrible, hate-filled people because of the vitriole of the Westboro Baptist Church, could see the irony in their statements. Chances are these same people would be the ones defending ALL Muslims as "peaceful" people. The Westboro Baptist Church members are despicable people ... but there are 71 members of that church. They are to Christianity what terrorists are to Islam. There are one billion Muslims in the world and 10% of them ... that's 100 MILLION ... want to kill ALL Americans. The animosity is misplaced a bit, don't you think?

R.I.P. Elizabeth Edwards and may God give peace to your family during this time of terrible loss.

Posted by: thinkitthrooooo | December 14, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

No resonable person condones what these haters are doing. But look at the haters coming out in force to lump all Baptists, Catholics, Christians, "Tea Partiers", liberals, conservatives together as objects of their own particular hate mongering. Generally, those groups include young, old, black, white and everything in between. Can't you make your point in support of a dignified funeral w/out adding the ignorant, hateful drivil that passes for political discourse these days?

Posted by: Krash99 | December 14, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The head jackwagon is over 80, so we can only hope that his lord will take pity on us and this terrible world and call him home.

Posted by: glennblech1 | December 14, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

for allyou religious zelouts out there that that are saying "this is NOT us!"... no, it is you... they are flying YOUR flag...and if they are not you , well then you best saunter on down to whatever cesspit they call home and take matters i nto your own hands... as if they say "were christians!"...what is a non-christian supposed to say to them???

If you worship a cross or anytihng like it, GO POLICE YOUR OWN... as we have ahad enough... it is time to burn down the phelps woodpile...

THIS IS SPARTA, AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU DO AND SAY...even if you have the right, that right comes with the responsiblity of the content...

Posted by: EnoughisEnough1 | December 14, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but it's really unfair to judge all Christians or Baptists by these contemptible subhumans. They are not Christian; they're some self styled cult using the name of a denomination in a failed attempt to give themselves credibilty. Frankly, there's something really, seriously wrong in their brains. Inbreeding? Genetic insanity? If there are such things as devil's disciples or emissaries of Satan, these are the poster children. As the old folks used to say, "some folks just ain't worth killin'".

Posted by: Lilycat11 | December 14, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Elizabeth Edwards would not have supported these clowns from the Westboro Baptist Church. Any place where the media are guaranteed to be is fair game, regardless of how disrespectful is is. I can't quote the verse verbatim, but Do Not Judge Lest You Be Judged. If there's truth to that verse from the Bible, they've already condemned themselves.

Posted by: skinfreak | December 14, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Westboro Church is not so much a church as a group of related people born to Fred Phelps and his wife and additionally those who married Phelps' offspring.

These people are not Christians as I see Christians. These people do not love thy neighbor as thyself. Istead they are on a perpetual and demented warpath against the US and all we hold dear, including brave and courageous Americans like Elizabeth Edwards who gracefully and bravely faced her illness to the end of her life.

Phelps and his following thrive on attention. If no-one paid them any heed and if the public and the news media learned to refuse to "dignify" these evil-doers by ignoring them, then they would eventually have to give up and go home. Eventually,they will find what they are doing will increasingly be useless and unproductive as people learn to recognize them as the misfits they really are just simply paid them no heed.

Posted by: mmhoover1 | December 14, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Observe! Those who profess the loudest to be Christians don't ask themselves What Would Christ DO? Just picture Christ attending someone's (anyone's) funeral and behaving like the Westbrook group. Any time you see people (expecially making news) and claiming to be "Christains", look at what they are doing and saying. Then ask yourself, can I see Christ doing or saying that? Eleven (11) times out of ten (10) they will fail that test!

Posted by: Aspirit | December 14, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

First of all, there is no longer a "Religious Right" so you are a few years behind. As for Jerry Falwell, he would never have done anything remotely close to protesting at a funeral. To lump him in with these despicable people is really sad. You obviously aren't aware of the many socially responsible things his ministry has done over the years. Just more hate from people like you. Really sad.

Posted by: Jackets | December 14, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

To compare the Westboro folks to the Tea Party, one has to be really, really sick. We aren't contrary. We simply want a government to return to fiscal responsibility and stop wasting and spending needlessly our tax money. We love our God, our country and our family. Guess that makes us "terrorists".

Posted by: Jackets | December 14, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

To Lilycat11, yes they are, and soon I hope. And to Skinfreak (very close by the way)- Mathew 7:1-3 "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with that judgement ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." These people are the very people for which this passage is intended.

Posted by: garypierce1 | December 14, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you. You would have done better to ignore them, but here you've put them out front with a picture too!! That's why they're there. They know the media will cover them. What if the media just acted responsibly and just didn't give these publicity hunting nuts any publicity? If a tree falls in a forest and no one is listening, did a tree really fall?

Posted by: PREMSHANTI | December 14, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The Westboro Baptist church is made up of members of all one family. Where in heaven do they get the money for all thier travelling, to do these protests? Why doesn't this fundamental question ever get asked, or addressed? I want to know who is staying in the shadows, funding this bunch of loons.

Posted by: moonlitesonata2 | December 14, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow what an epic reading if falsehoods, frankly I am speechless,well no I am not entirely speechless,just maybe lost my breath a bit.Let's see,it's the media's fault because they cover them,but the media cover them because you watch.Ok,all of the Baptists are crazy because this "kook-group",or all of the Christians are hate-mongers,because of this "kook-group",no all of the Catholics are calling all of the Baptists' and Christians bad because of this"kook-group"which makes the Catholics a"hate-group",ok I'm really getting confused now but wait,all of the atheists are happy that all of the Catholics,Christians',& Baptists are really part of this"kook-group",whew,but don't stop there all of the people that link this"kook-group"to the Christians,Baptists',Catholics,& religion are really Muslim sympathizers that think we should all hug a Muslim suicide bomber because of the link to this"kook-group". Ok,I'm starting to get dizzy now but hold on,everyone that says anything about any religious based group including"kook-group"is really an undercover Muslim sympathizer because there are 1 billion Muslims and 1% of them want all Americans dead which means that 100 million Muslims are out to kill Americans,which means that anyone that says anything about"kook-group"is really a Muslim sympathizer and really wants all Americans dead.WHEW<WHEW<WHEW,what the hell is wrong with you people,look every time someone disagrees with someone else's view point it doesn't mean that they are Muslim sympathizers,Christian hating,Baptist killing,Catholic attacking monsters!!!I swear it mostly doesn't.Look sssh---I have a secret,long ago people used to disagree much worse than we do,had there own damn newspapers to do so,politics was bloody,religion was nastier yet they all published really mean stuff about each other and guess what?NO you aren't going to believe this,but really in the end they found a way to get along.No shit,I am not making this up,they actually found a way to agree and get stuff done,I know incredibly unbelievable,no way right.But yes it's true,hell they even came up with a Constitution that--get this---included everybody,oh sure it left some people out for awhile but if you really read it,you know like lawyers,you found that we were ALL included.So how about we try this,it's not new,how about we all figure out a way to get along,yeah that's right get along. We can agree to disagree.I know crazy stuff it's a win all world,but where the hell is that getting us?Nowhere that's where,so let's wake up and figure out a damn way to get along,it's simple---tit-for-tat.You get some of what you want,I get some of what I want,& Joey over there he gets some of what he wants,trust me it's simpler than it sounds.Worked for like forever,with people that had a helluva a lot less in common than we do.Just a thought but is what we are doing now working?Hell No!Come on people give it a try,look how ridiculous you all sound,please---try.Please?

Posted by: mfowler1 | December 15, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

The Westboro Baptist Church. The only difference between them and the majority of other churches in their beliefs is that they are more vocal. The majority of "christian" churches in America hold some sort of hate wording in their doctrine. Now, this could be against homosexuals, those of other races, those of other religions, or even in some cases those of other political parties. The real difference is that these people are actually crazy enough to follow through with what the bible tells them instead of only choosing the parts that fit with their individual prejudices, which is what most other churches do.

Posted by: Neurotraveller | December 15, 2010 5:05 AM | Report abuse

Three cheers for mfowler's post, which I advise everyone to read. It isn't hard to find, btw — it's almost as long as Molly Bloom's soliloquy.

Posted by: gregh2223 | December 15, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

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