Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
Posted at 2:15 PM ET, 12/20/2010

Iran rises because America retreats

By Jennifer Rubin

While most news has been focused on domestic issues, along with the START treaty ratification, the New York Post editorial board reminds us of a danger that will dwarf others unless the Obama administration gets its act together:

A leader of Iran's Revolutionary Guard has threatened to murder American generals to retaliate for the apparent assassinations of two Iranian nuclear scientists.

It may sound like an empty threat, or an unhinged response -- like sacrificing a rook to take a pawn in chess.

But the threat is dead serious -- proof of how hellbent Iran is to split the atom. . . .

For Iran, nukes are its foreign policy -- along with the terror it exports to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.

For Iran, nukes are its foreign policy -- along with the terror it exports to Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and the Gaza Strip.

We haven't been very effective in confronting Iranian aggression while Iran doesn't have the bomb. So how effective should we expect a combination of sweet talk and sanctions to be? Not very, I'd suggest.

The Obama administration's devotion to a "nuke free" world is manifest in meetings and speeches, but unfortunately it is not matched by any policy that has actually slowed the threat of proliferation. To the contrary, we face one rogue state with nuclear capabilities, and, unless we can devise a more effective approach than the one of the past decade, we are likely to face another soon.

We are in a worse position with Iran than with North Korea. As the New York Post editorial board noted: "In the Far East, North Korea has the backing of the ascendant power, China. In the Mideast, Iran aspires to be the ascendant power." And that is because leaders in the region perceive that the United States abandons friends, shrinks from even the threat of military force to defend its fundamental interests, and does little to assist democracy advocates who might destabilize despotic regimes. Iran is rising because America is retreating. Until we, through word and deed, reverse that, Iran will move ever closer to attainment of nuclear weapons and hegemonic influence in the region.

By Jennifer Rubin  | December 20, 2010; 2:15 PM ET
Categories:  Iran, foreign policy  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Beyond 'No Labels'
Next: Republicans adore Chris Christie -- on YouTube and off

Comments

Maybe you could propose starting a war with Iran. You could ask Israel to help and maybe Mitch McConnel could introduce a bill to reinstate the draft. You could then lead the way by asking all your male and female relatives of military age to enlist. Lastly, maybe John Boehner could introduce legislation to raise taxes to pay for the war, the casualties and the the increse in fuel costs. If you're not willing to do the above, then I think you should start coming up with a better alternative to dipolomacy, if you have one. If you don't, don't criticize those who are trying to make this situation less dangerous.

Posted by: mg11231 | December 20, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

So what should we do, Jennifer? Offer a solution instead of just quoting the print version of Fox News.

Posted by: danw1 | December 20, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

So what should we do, Jennifer? Offer a solution instead of just quoting the print version of Fox News.

Posted by: danw1 | December 20, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Iran rises for the opposite reason -- because America's aggressiveness created a power vacuum around Iran. Its rival Saddam Hussein was eliminated for him, and the Sunni extremists in Afghanistan were as well. Iran is saying, "Thanks, George W. Bush!"

Posted by: brian_away | December 20, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Admiting covert opeation in theri country and then having such assassination of any kind of scientist could be construed as a threat with or without nuclear deterrence.
When a country is willing to invade and assassinate outside of international law then all of its citizens lose the protection of international law in effect, generals or otherwise. Remember also it was us who shot down a commercial passenger jet full of innocent civilians in 1989 in their own airspace no less.

Posted by: Wildthing1 | December 20, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm with the above Jennifer, what do YOU want done? We know you want an airstrike, but why us and not Israel to fly the planes?

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"and does little to assist democracy advocates who might destabilize despotic regimes"

Why do you always act like you know what the CIA and other agencies are doing in Iran? Do you expect that if it's not on Fox News it's not happening?

For God's sake Jennifer you're a labor lawyer and columnist who has no idea what is being done!

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse


The new zionist voiceat WaPo, Rubin, is factually wrong, as everyone knows!...

it's ISRAEL that exports terrorism to the West Bank, and Syria and Lebanon, etc.

Really, who does she suppose reads this garbage, her daily stuff?
and why isn't it in the Jerusalem Post,though the difference is minimal.
Did the bigger "BOMB IRAN" types finally quit? Making room for this idiot nubee?

Posted by: whistling | December 20, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

It's past time,Jennifer,for you to answer questions. I would remind you that most of the Contentions crew got involved in active debate with the Commentators,only you appear to be afraid to debate,but I know that you aren't chicken,it's just that you want to remain above the fray for some reason,maybe you can explain your philosophy of Blogging to us lesser mortals.

Posted by: rcaruth | December 20, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse


She whines that America "abandods it's friends".

Israel isn't America's friend, sweetie.
It's America's parasite. Everyone knows, and your hot mouth stuff, and quoting of the other zionist newspaper NYPOST, sounds silly, except to your own.

Posted by: whistling | December 20, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

100% of the response is contra Rubin,yet she won't talk,amazing.

Posted by: rcaruth | December 20, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Whistling - Please provide references to support your assertion that "Israel exports terrorism."

As far as Iran's nuclear capacity goes, Stuxnet has done an excellent job of setting them back years (for one reference see http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/363022/former-un-nuclear-boss-hints-at-stuxnets-iran-hit, others are available.)

Stuxnet may have been created by the US, Israel, China, or other unknown players.

Posted by: AndrewL418 | December 20, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

andrew:

Give credit where credit is due, it must be Israeli. If this had been done by our people there would already be speculation whether Brad Pitt or Johnny Depp would get the starring role in the movie.

The Chinese don't plant things, they take over whole networks, as they have tried to just recently at DOD.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

If you haven't noticed, America under Obama is not retreating on Iran and it's nuclear program. Stuxnet, assassinations of key personnel - these are retreat? Of course, the operatives may be Israeli rather than US, but these weren't done without implicit consent.

Overtly Obama is tightening the sanctions regime. He also got Russia to cooperate, including their holding back on delivery of a air defense system.

And how did Obama get Russia to cooperate? Stepping back from Bush's Cold War-revisited confrontation - withdrawing the threat of new US military installations on Russian frontiers WITHOUT giving up on missile defense, and negotiating a new START treaty.

If you want to see Iran with nuclear weapons, follow the advice of the war-mad right-wing who want to treat Russia as the enemy rather than just the competition. If we make Russia the enemy, they're going to look for any ally, any source of pain and distraction for the US, that they can get, including the Islamicist mullahs of Tehran.

So instead of quoting junk analysis from the Post, how about speaking out for the START treaty, if you are serious about confronting Iran?

Posted by: j3hess | December 20, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

These are some of the dumbest comments Ive ever read about Iran's nuclear program..Bush's fault?cmon.This regime has been trying to dominate the middle east and spread terror since 78 when Carter(the original Obama)did NOTHING.
We have a weak as commander in chief who is a appeaser of dictators and a V.P. that's just a straight up idiot.
When Iran gets a bomb(and it will be on Obmas watch)and increases all the exprting of terror around the world,people like you will just sit there n watch.Then when they use it you will all complain that nothing was done about it in the 1st place.If you have no knowledge at all except a couple articles of reading under your belt,shut up and let the big boys handle this garbage regime..You know the hanged 14 people over the weekend...including several women.course that's nothing to armchair/basement strategists as yourself...Go out and find a job instead of sucking up all the unemployment you cry for

Posted by: iranaware | December 20, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

54465446 - There's this possibility regarding Chinese origins of Stuxnet: http://blogs.forbes.com/firewall/2010/12/14/stuxnets-finnish-chinese-connection/?boxes=Homepagechannels

Posted by: AndrewL418 | December 20, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Iran creates or buys a nuclear weapon. Uses or attempts to use it on Ireal or the U.S. Iran is turned into a nuclear desert and the only thing left is how to use oil that glows in the dark. Hint: The Chinese will buy it.
Seriously. I wonder if the Iranian people realize that the day they acquire the bomb their entire country is the bulls eye of a target and their atomic clock will be at 30 seconds to midnight. After they acquire the bomb any terrorist event in the world that involves nuclear weapons will be blamed on Iran and they will cease to exist as a culture.

Posted by: Tuerke9 | December 20, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Nothing informative in the article, worthless propaganda, Fox News style...
Jennifer, u could have written that on toilet paper, could have been of some use...

Posted by: Kinesics | December 20, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

iranaware:

A misapplied name if ever there was one. You don't seem to know anything about the history of the region, and certainly not the Bush administration role.

Far from being an opponent of Iran, Dick Cheney aided and abetted terrorism in Iran. Did you know that Cheney personally vouched for, authorized and aided Ahmed Chalabi in getting into Iraq shortly after the invasion (though he claims now to have almost never heard of him of course)?

Did you know that Chalabi turned out to be an Iranian double agent who not only stole millions of American dollars, gave secret info to Iran, and in his most recent post in the Iraqi governmnet managed to ban many if not most Sunni candidates from runnning in the election.

This led to a 9 month delay in forming an Iraqi govenment which either was broken over the weekend with inclusion of more Sunnis, or was in jeopardy of falling apart today due to the Sadrists, depending on which day's Post you read.

So ignorance won't keep you from posting of course. I look forward to your reply, which will say:

1)nothing at all happened in Iran before January 2009

2)evertyhing is Obama's fault

3)if you have any contrary information, see number 2.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mrs. RUBIN:

It is amazing how AIPAC members such as yourself tries so hard to start a war with another country just to do the dirty work of Israel. Fortunately ordinary Americans are waking up and for the first time seeing the truth about AIPAC. If you are so concern about AMERICA, when are you planning to write about the espionage and foreign policy manipulation of the AIPAC and Zionists?
For that, I dont think I would hold my breath!

Posted by: zalrostam | December 20, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

This was pretty rambling and incohirent nonsense Ms. Rubin.

Which friends in the Middle East have we adandoned and to whom have they been abandoned? Israel? Still is and will remain a staucnh ally. Nothing has happened to change that. Iraq? Never was and never will be an ally. 5 mins after our last soldier leaves they will back Hamas and anything anti- israeli. Nothing we did or could have done in Iraq can change that fundemental truth.

Leaders in the region percieve the US won't use force to support it's fundemental interests? How could any sane person look at Iraq and think that? We use force even when we don't have fundemental interests at stake.

The leaders in the Middle east see the US won't support democracy? There is all of one democracy in the Middle East (Iraq might make it one day but today is not that day.). None of the other states have the slightest interest in Democracy.

Iran seeks ascendency in the Middle East. Probably right but if they secure an atomic bomb care to explain how that will translate into such ascendency and what exactly that means. I suspect Ms. Rubin can't. If and that is still a big if Iran develops an atomic bomb they will find out the truth that every state before them discovered. As military and diplomatic weapons they border on worthless.

Iran is a non-industrialized fratured nation dependent on oil exports to the very people they see as enemies. That's a recipe for a lot of noise and very little action. Just like Ms. Rubin. Alot of noise but little substance.

P.S. If this is the best you can write Ms. Rubin this is pretty sad.

Posted by: kchses1 | December 20, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Did Bush handle the Iran conflict well? No, I don't believe he did. And what was his fundamental mistake? Going along with the Eurinals.

The ennui'd leftists in Europe have convinced themselves that they can talk Iran out of its nuclear ambitions. Javier Solana said so.

Even when it was made clear that the Irans were lying, the Eurinals continued to demand talks instead of action. Now where are we? We've thrown away years with inactivity and our children will live in a far more dangerous world because of that. Because the Europeans, like liberals everywhere, value weakness, we see what weakness yeilds: nothing. In the face of a determined and irrational foe talking serves no purpose.

Folks like Mr Numbers Person have memorized a detailed list of everything that they believe the Bush admin did wrong. Sort of like how liberals know everything they think is wrong about Wall-Mart. Hate is an amazing motivator and folks like the numbers guy hate George Bush.

Oh, and for some reason liberals hate jews too. Look at the anti-jew filth being spewed here. Let me assure you this ugliness isn't coming from conservatives.

and j3hess, you'll have to prove that this is America's handiwork:
================
Stuxnet, assassinations of key personnel - these are retreat?
==========================

I sincerely doubt that you can. These things are working, but there is no reason to believe that the US is behind them. It could just as easily be the work of Iranian disidents. You know, the fine folks that Obama ignored and the Iranian regime hangs?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | December 20, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and for some reason liberals hate jews too.

Aren't most American Jews quite Liberal? Do they hate Jews. Are they self hating?

Posted by: rcaruth | December 20, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

America retreats because we have been listening to too many Jennifer Rubin's in Washington (WINEP, MIC, AIPAC et al). They extended Afghanistan war beyond what was required to eliminate the threat of Al Qaeda. They took us to a disastrous war in Iraq, enabling Iran. They supported the destruction of Lebanon by Israel, enabling Hezbollah. They supported Saddam in the Iran-Iraq war, enabling the hardliners and IRGC in Iran. Just a few samples of the vast records of failed policies by the so called neoconservatives.

Posted by: wpost16 | December 20, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

andrew:

Thanks for the link. Interesting story. I buy his evaluation of the level of expertise, but not sure I buy his reasoning. After all, Iran got their missiles from Chinese client state North Korea. If they're playing this game, they're doing it on a multi-lelve chess board.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

skip wrote:

"Hate is an amazing motivator and folks like the numbers guy hate George Bush."

Nope I just hate ideology disguised as argument without any supporting facts. Now if you said Bush was responsible for the economic crisis, I would tell you no that's not true, because it isn't.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Miss rubin, Have You Forgotten That Israel have attacked a U.S. warship and Sank the uss liberty , killing 34 sailors, The Israelis wanted to attack Simulate egptian.
why you do not write an article about it for the American people can read it

Posted by: RAYAN123 | December 20, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

The American jews who are liberal are liberals first. their former religion is a distant second. There ya go rcaruth. It is as simple as that.

The liberal definition of a war crime: Any jew anywhere defending themselves.

Nah, numbers fellow, spare me the self righteous smarm. As I've noted repeatedly your main contribution to this blog is the endless repetition of Bush's choice of which you do not approve. Sorry pal, you can deny it all you like, it is hatred. Rational people have moved on, but not you. Bush isn't the president any longer, or haven't you noticed? How long you gonna go with this? Forever? Enjoy gnawing on those bitter bones.

Chalabi forsooth? Just too funny.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | December 20, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

skip:

I will reply to you endlessly I promise because even though you never bolster your arguments with any facts whatsoever, they are always entertaining.

If you want me to name some Obama mistakes I would be happy to, but isn't that your role here?

(yes bowing to the Saudis was incredibly stupid! LOL)

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Seriously Jennifer,

Has it become that dour for you? You've run out of material on Iran, but your manic desire to ratchet up the rhetoric to start a war, you are forced to resort to dredging through the tabloids for anything you can find about Iran, and lo and behold, bingo - a non sourced story from an unnamed reporter.

1. Is the leader of Iran's Revolutionary Guard named? No.
2. Is there s translation of the alleged threat? No.
3. Does this have anything to do with splitting the atom? No.

The article even states that " Iran can't kill American generals as it threatens..", but that doesn't stop Jennifer insisting that "..the threat is dead serious -- proof of how hellbent Iran is to split the atom. . ."

What does it have to do with splitting the atom Jennifer? And FYI. Splitting the atom is a way to produce electricity.

Of course, if Jennifer was the least bit interested in current events, she might have bothered to mention this story from The National:

Tehran Softens Its Rhetoric in Nuclear Dispute
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/tehran-softens-its-rhetoric-in-nuclear-dispute

No we can't talk about that can we Jennifer?

Posted by: AndreDeAngelis | December 20, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iranaware

"This regime has been trying to dominate the middle east and spread terror since 78 when Carter(the original Obama)did NOTHING"

And how have they dominated the ME iranaware? Who have they invaded, attacked, occupied and dominated in the last 2000 years?

"When Iran gets a bomb(and it will be on Obmas watch)and increases all the exprting of terror around the world,people like you will just sit there n watch."

And what makes you believe that Iran is getting a bomb? I don't suppose you have any evidence to support that.

"Then when they use it you will all complain that nothing was done about it in the 1st place."

Why would they use it? The minute they use it, they are finished.

Do you think that they are developing a nuke just so they can fire the one nuke they have at Israel (without testing it first) and risk being destroyed?

"If you have no knowledge at all except a couple articles of reading under your belt,shut up and let the big boys handle this garbage regime"

The big boys? Who are they? Do tell? The same big boys who have done such an awesome job in Iraq and Afghanistan?

"You know the hanged 14 people over the weekend..."

Are you suggesting we bomb them because they have the death penalty iranaware?

BTW. Where was that reported?

May I ask what level of education you've had? It sounds like you left school pretty early.

Posted by: AndreDeAngelis | December 20, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AndrewL418 | December 20, 2010 3:

"Whistling - Please provide references to support your assertion that "Israel exports terrorism.""

Try looking up the Lavon affair.

"As far as Iran's nuclear capacity goes, Stuxnet has done an excellent job of setting them back years"

What did it set back? The Bushehr reactor is operational.

Posted by: AndreDeAngelis | December 20, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Disrespect me all you want,all i see here is a bunch of whiners complaining about Bush and Obama and the economy on a article that has nothing to do with the article.
The people hanged this week in Iran is right out of the Tehran Times.
Whine all you want and sit here and bash Israel and the like.Then when a bomb goes off here you can all scratch each others asses and ask why

Posted by: iranaware | December 20, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

For people who think war is the solution: Any war with Iran may take between 25 to 50 tears. That is when Iran does not have the bomb. Because, Iranians are very resilient, County has much larger and has much more mountains than Afghanistan. And they want to finish the war on their term. They can make the bomb in few years if war with an atomic country like US or Israel should start. That kind of war can bring US economy down to colony of Canada or China may buy the whole US economy if anything left to buy.
Atomic Iran will just add one more name to the list of atomic courtiers. The most dangerous situation for US is if Taliban capture Pakistani Booms. We MUST not fall in Israeli trap.

Posted by: PersianGolf | December 20, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iranaware | December 20, 2010 7:25 PM

"The people hanged this week in Iran is right out of the Tehran Times."

Then why can't you link to it?

"Whine all you want and sit here and bash Israel and the like.Then when a bomb goes off here you can all scratch each others asses and ask why"

We won't need to, because anyone with a brain will know long before then whether Iran has a bomb. You see iranaware, one doesn't just get out of bed one day and decide to make a nuclear bomb. If Iran ever decide to pursue one (which is not the case), there will be countless tell tale signs that they are headed in that direction.

As of now, there is NO EVIDENCE of Iran producing nukes. Rubin's puff piece is intended for ignoramuses like yourself, who gave up trying to think for themselves long ago.

Posted by: AndreDeAngelis | December 20, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

XDSXS

Posted by: RAYAN123 | December 20, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Am amazed at the vitriol on the left. And what does FNC have to do w/anything? I've concluded whenever a commenter brings up Fox it means they have no logical argument to make so they attack you Jennifer and Fox News. But you're exactly right Jennifer-keep up the good work.

Posted by: cajunkate | December 20, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"But you're exactly right Jennifer-keep up the good work."

Yes keep the AEI and AIPAC talking points coming. Who needs facts and evidence anyway?

Evidently cajunkate got so much satisfaction from being made a fool of the first time around re Iraq WMD's, that he can't wait to be made an idiot of a second time.

Posted by: AndreDeAngelis | December 20, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

iranaware:

Israel has minimally 60 nuclear devices, but possibly over 100 hundred. If any Islamic state ever made a nuclear attack against Israel, in all probability you would need to put police tape around the whole Middle East for the nex few hundred years.

Posted by: 54465446 | December 20, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

The Lavon affair. Really. How about something that's a little more recent than 55 years old.

Posted by: AndrewL418 | December 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2011 The Washington Post Company