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Posted at 12:11 PM ET, 12/27/2010

Things the chattering class got wrong

By Jennifer Rubin

As 2010 draws to a close, the list of items going down the memory hole -- the place reserved for mistakes by liberal elites -- is long. Before they are gone for good, let's recount a few.

"The public will learn to love ObamaCare." The voters never have, and it remains more than a policy nightmare, with soaring costs and unintended consequences strewn about, a rallying cry for fiscal conservatives. It was a unifying force, but unfortunately for Democrats, it was the independents and conservatives who were bound together in common dislike of a massive new entitlement program.

"Republicans can't win because they are unpopular." In myriad formulations, liberal pundits and activists trotted out that line. It turns out what matters in a midterm election is how popular -- and successful -- the incumbent party is.

"The Bush administration erred in being too close to Israel." This, and a host of other ill-conceived notions, drove the Obama administration and its spinners to argue for a tougher-line against our democratic ally and to raise expectations for a Middle East peace deal. Instead of peace, Obama "achieved" strained relations with Israel and the frustration of the Arab states (who preferred he go after Iran rather than apartment buildings in East Jerusalem). Worse still, he embarrassed himself and delivered a blow to American prestige at a time a robust U.S. presence in the region is most needed.

"George W. Bush betrayed our values in the war on terror." That was before Obama largely gave up on the ACLU wish list. Guantanamo remains open. The Obama team vouches for "indefinite detention." The administration has stepped up the use of drones to kill the enemy and, regrettably, must explain why civilian casualties are a necessary consequence of battling an enemy that hides among women and children. In the reality of war, Obama and his advisers have shed a great deal of sanctimony. Yes, they remain tied up in knots by their own desire to criminalize the war on Islamic terror (a phrase they shrink from using), but in the main they have learned that Bush betrayed nothing -- other than utter disdain for those who thought springing a caterpillar on a terrorist or slapping him across the face amounted to "torture."

"Obama is [fill in the blank]." The smartest, the coolest, and the best communicator ever -- the list was long. But as Ross Douthat writes today:

The fantasy was the idea that Barack Obama, a one-term senator with an appealing biography and a silver tongue, would turn out to be Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Robert F. Kennedy and Mahatma Gandhi all rolled into one. This fantasy inspired a wave of 1960s-style enthusiasm, an unsettling personality cult (that "Yes We Can" video full of harmonizing celebrities only gets creepier in hindsight) and a lot of over-the-top promises from Obama himself. It persuaded Democrats that the laws of politics had been suspended, and that every legislative goal they'd ever dreamed about was now within reach. It was even powerful enough to win President Obama a Nobel Peace Prize, just for being his amazing self.

It turns out he was an inexperienced administrator and a garden-variety liberal, slow to learn that the public was having none of his left-leaning agenda.

"Iran is more isolated than ever." How many times has Secretary of State Hillary Clinton uttered that one? In fact Iran has many allies these days -- Turkey, Syria, Venezuela, North Korea, to name a few. Jordan, the most pro-American of the moderate Arab states (with the possible exception of Morocco) is cozying up to Tehran as well. The Russians built Iran a nuclear enrichment plant. Iran is on the rise,a sure-fire formula for gathering friends in a region that praises the strong horse.

"Sanctions are working." Well, if the point of sanctions was to slow the pace of Iran's nuclear program or to deter its terrorist activities (maybe even to dislodge Mahmoud Ahmadinejad from power) sanctions are a bust. (A magnificently clever computer virus and the mysterious likelihood of auto accidents involving Iranian nuclear scientists' have done far more good.) The purpose of sanctions is not to make the Iranian economy limp, but to make the regime crumble or fear that it will if it does not dump its dreams of nuclear powerdom. The grim dilemma facing the West in 2011 is what to do now that we know (many of us knew this before, but others are catching up) that the regimen is not deterred by banking or oil sanctions any more than was Saddam Hussein. Tyrants rarely are.

You would think the liberal intelligentsia would, with a record of so many misses on so many consequential matters, become chastened. But no. They are filled with certainty: Obama is back, the recovery is around the corner, Russian "reset" is a success, ObamaCare can't be repealed, there are no electable Republican 2012 contenders, and more, they tell us. We'll see if the left's crystal ball is any more accurate in 2011. But for now, let's not forget all the things they told as that simply weren't so.

By Jennifer Rubin  | December 27, 2010; 12:11 PM ET
Categories:  2012 campaign, foreign policy  
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Comments

Just wait till everyone see how smart the Teabagger representives really are; I hear some of them are even smarter than M. Bachmann.

Posted by: mddg7771 | December 27, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

What right wingnuts need to ask Santa for Christmas next time - a heaping plateful of self-awareness. Oh, and an ability to write an article that doesn't put all righty eggs in one basket or seem to hope for economic collapse in order for their electoral chances to improve. It just makes you seem like an a-hole, Ms. Rubin...

Posted by: LABC | December 27, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Cut her a break. She is with the Bush/Cheney crap that thinks it is 'unfortunate' that women have to work, when they really should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.

Posted by: taroya | December 27, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, you are the chattering class.

Posted by: jckdoors | December 27, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

What?

No intolerant white-supremacist Hukabees chattering:

- Obama is a Muslim?

- He's not American?

- All Muslims are our enemy?

- No Constitutional rights for gay, Mexican and Muslim citizens?

Simply to tune to Fox News to see the theocon pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: areyousaying | December 27, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, it takes a lot of ugly to make Charles Krauthammer look good, but somehow you've accomplished the feat.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | December 27, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

liberals get so mad when their predictions and assurances turns out to false because they are taught, from a young age, that being smarter than the next guy is the proper source of self-worth.

Posted by: dummypants | December 27, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, that lovely term "liberal elites."

I hear Ms. Rubin say she wants to have an intelligent dialog from the conservative perspective. Then she uses this catchall phrase when she wants to point fingers with as broad and generalized a reach as possible.

Ms. Rubin, if you want to blame, I ask that you be specific.

It's pretty clear you're a bit angry today. Are you planning on staying this way? I came here looking for interesting perspectives, but all-angry-all-the-time is getting tedious.

Posted by: MsJS | December 27, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

What the right wing intelligensia got wrong:

- Republicans won because of the triumph of conservative polcies
- the war in Afghanistan is suceeding
- we need to bomb Iran immediately
- the Great recession was caused by the poor people

What a crock of baloney you spout miss rubin. Wait until about May when the Tea Baggers have spent 5 months spewing hate in Congress and see how much the people love you conservatism then. I suspect they will turn against you all again faster than they turned on Price George.

Posted by: pblotto | December 27, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Ah the liberals. such broad minded, good hearted people.

why that's obvious just by the generous nature of the comments posted above. The liberal love for a well formed argument is clearly on display with things like:

Simply to tune to Fox News to see the theocon pot calling the kettle black.

Or how about this gem of civility:

What right wingnuts need to ask Santa for Christmas next time - a heaping plateful of self-awareness.

Or how about this stunningly insightful snippet:

Just wait till everyone see how smart the Teabagger representives really are; I hear some of them are even smarter than M. Bachmann.

Yes sir, no one beats the American left when it comes to civil discourse and well advanced argument.
/sarc


Posted by: skipsailing28 | December 27, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

An astute analysis.

Posted by: RepealObamacareNow | December 27, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Is this woman Palin's ghostwriter? A bit more articulate than Sarah but strives for that same level of right wing idiocy.

Posted by: LEFTYLADIG | December 27, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Rubin sounds like she has no idea what she is talking about. Please can't the Wash. Post get a more mature and intelligent commentator.

Posted by: barboak | December 27, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

This illustrates the absurdity of politically posturing. One party tells the other - we are better NEOCONS than you are.

Nothing really changes. We are joined to Israel by the hip - like Siamese twins. We feel we have the right to tell Iran what to do - after we seized both of her neighbors.

The political posturing by both parties are driving other nations into the arms of Iran: Turkey, Venezuela, Brazil, Bolivia, etc. These nations are looking for some balance in this crazy world of Wikileaks and defense budgets.

Posted by: alance | December 27, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Is there a Scrooge, are there Scrooges in America who want Americans denied access to the necessary medical care because of insufficient personal funds? If so, please join in the transformation of the "death panel" fiction into a reality and take a place on the panel. If not, then how would you assure access to the medical care?

Posted by: jimb | December 27, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, you are a hack. No thought, no perspective, no analysis. You're just like WAPO and your average bagger; reactive and caustic.

Posted by: mjcc1987 | December 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

skipbrains, it figures you would gruffaw stupidly at the bitter Ms. Rubin - it seems that all that is left of right wing is its money grubbing elites and its scared simple-minded base. Keep thinking that edumacation is for suckers...

Posted by: LABC | December 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I don’t understand why TWP insists on providing publishing space to far right lunatics. I agree that it is necessary to provide readers with a balanced view of the different issues that arise every day, but why go to the edge? Ms. Rubin is obviously not qualified to write a reasonable article in this newspaper. I for one, will never again read another article written by her and I encourage the rest of TWP readers to do the same.

Posted by: gardelito | December 27, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

--snivelling little rat-faced git--

Argument? Next door down. This is Abuse!

Posted by: aardunza | December 27, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Whenever a commentator like Ms. Rubin earns the venomous hatred of the Left wing Obama supporters, that tells me she is sharp, clever, informed, and well grounded in her facts.
In fact for people like me, the more the Left wing Obama groupies attack her, the more I want to read what she has to say.

Posted by: Beniyyar | December 27, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Where to begin? Let's take a simple one about the horrors of war and how we must accept the tragedy of civilian deaths by our drones. Of course, it is not we who are suffering these losses, it is families in Pakistan. Turn this one around - it is now the Mexican military who must use drones against drug gangs who are hiding among the population in El Paso, LA or another American city. They successfully kill many of their leaders, but also kill many American citizens as well. Their explanation to Washington - we are sorry but you must accept these losses - it is a necessary sacrifice in the war on (drugs, terror, name your war). What do you think would be the response?

Posted by: stevenasmith | December 27, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

In fact for people like me, the more the Left wing Obama groupies attack her, the more I want to read what she has to say.

I'm pretty sure the leftwing groupies don't like Hitler either. But then, you're a right wing retard, you take your marching orders from true morons who tell you to like anybody the other side doesn't like.

And you feel pretty good about that too, don't you?

Posted by: eezmamata | December 27, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

As those of us who have spent our careers embedded amongst the "liberal intelligentsia" learned early, they are often in error, but never, never in doubt.

Posted by: meta-materialist | December 27, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

In fact for people like me, the more the Left wing Obama groupies attack her, the more I want to read what she has to say.

Posted by: Beniyyar
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Well, if it slows down your porn time on the internet, good...

Posted by: LABC | December 27, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I too can set up a few strawmen and hastily knock them down. Can I have a job at WaPo please?

It really doesn't take much to do what she's done here.

Yawn.

Posted by: AhhYes | December 27, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I take it that In Rubin’s opinion the Conservative Elite got nothing wrong.

Posted by: Provincial | December 27, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Rubin, you are the biggest pin-head on the Washington Post staff.

Posted by: edeckel | December 27, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If she tries really really hard she can muster up the intellect of her hero, Christine from Delaware.

Posted by: baldinho | December 27, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Whenever a commentator like Ms. Rubin earns the venomous hatred of the Left wing Obama supporters, that tells me she is sharp, clever, informed, and well grounded in her facts.
In fact for people like me, the more the Left wing Obama groupies attack her, the more I want to read what she has to say.

Posted by: Beniyyar
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So you even have a clue, Beniyyar, as to how moronic your comment is? A clue?

Posted by: nyrunner101 | December 27, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it strange that the Washington Post, whom you neocons love to criticize for being a left wing rag, even publishes the nonsense written by the Krauthammers and Rubins of the world.

Rubin's latest offering is such obvious crap so as to be laughable. By the way, how come no one ever mentions a conservative intelligensia? I guess the term would be an oxymoron, (with neocons playing the role of the moron).

Suffice it to say, Rubin was wrong about more things in one column, than the left wing intelligensia has been wrong about all year.

Posted by: sonny2 | December 27, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

How's that "trickle down" economics working out for everyone? Greatest increase in wealth concentration at the top, worst financial crisis and recession since the Great Depression. Bet you still believe the low tax rates and concentration of wealth leading to the Great Depression and the low tax rates and concentration of wealth leading to the Great Recession are coincidence too.

Posted by: fingersfly | December 27, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

chatter this fool. when is the silver tounged meshiah going to stop sending OUR people to suffer and die in crapholes of the world,deport illegals,and restore our economy? shucking and jiving for the special interest A....... in the country is getting old.

Posted by: pofinpa | December 27, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

This columnist is as stupid as most conservatives. MOST AMERICANS FAVOR THE NEW HEALTH CARE BILL. A recent poll asked the question this way:

"Do you oppose that legislation because you think its approach toward health care is too liberal, or because you think it is not liberal enough?"

Favor: 43%
Oppose, too liberal: 37%
Oppose, not liberal enough 13%

The fact is that MOST AMERICANS, 56%, either favor the health care bill or want one that is more liberal and more socialist.

56% favor the health care bill.

Posted by: snortz_the_cat | December 27, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't know well the "fly trap" strategy worked in Iraq, but it's working beautifully here, if we assume that one purpose of Rubin's blog is bring out all the varieties of lefty venom, self-righteousness and cluelessness and put them on display for all to see. May God ensure that the Left never steps outside of its bubble!

Posted by: adam62 | December 27, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

This must be a very difficult time to be a superior, self-absorbed "progressive" when the truth smacks you right between the eyes.

Keep up the character attacks and name-calling. These tactics may get you through this nightmare period until such time as you have a factual leg to stand on.

Don't hold your breath, however.

Posted by: r_loveland | December 27, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

What are you ranting about? Both Obama and the GOP are diehard NEOCONS. They both want to dominate central Asia.

Rubin just threw some raw meat and insults on WaPo. Everyone seems blind to Obama - Bush-Lite. When are we leaving Afghanistan? His best buds are diehard NEOCONS.

Posted by: alance | December 27, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Goodness gracious! The lefties here seem to have gone into apoplectic overdrive with this post.

I was going to respond to some of the comments, but with the bevy of insults and invective hurled here("teabaggers," "wingnuts," "idiocy," etc, etc, etc), the lefties are sounding angrily irrational and not worth engaging. If you guys want to have a discussion, I suggest that the comments remain civil and you refute Jen Rubin's opinions rationally. When I see terms like "teabaggers" and all the rest, I automatically dismiss that person's opinion and move onto the next post. Correctly or incorrectly, I assume that person is just a crank. I assume other conservatives feel about the same way.

Posted by: RitchieEmmons | December 27, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh really Ms. Rubin, you too obviously live in the cloud of disinformation that Fox News is now world famous for and have decided that you will fill Washington Post readers in on all the lunacy they missed by rightly excluding Fox as a news source? When you and Douthat stop parroting all those airheads at Fox you might actually say something semi rational.

Posted by: trbajaz | December 27, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Tell me one good thing JFK did in his brief career other than bear the Kennedy name. His achievements are mythical. He got us into Vietnam and almost got us into a nuclear war with the Soviet Union.
Spare me the JFK comparison. Obama did more positives for this country in two than JFK ever did.

Posted by: renegade2 | December 27, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

As someone who used to read Jennifer Rubin every day at Contentions, I was curious how the WaPo audience would react to her intelligence and breezy style. The comments here display the depressing results. Here we see reactions ranging from sticking-fingers-in-ears to spouting insults (yes "LABC" I'm talking about you) Yet the target article in this case is not even very controversial, at not least to anyone who has been paying attention to the news.

Jen is obviously correct to observe that the expectations that Obamacare would become popular, that republicans would be punished in the midterms for opposing it, repeatedly expressed by both democratic leaders, and by their allies in the press were as wrong as any political expectations can be. The democrats did NOT run on the passage of obamacare - other than Senator Feingold, by and large, in competitive elections, they ran away from it. Today there are 2 polls out showing continued and growing support for repeal of Obamacare (Rasumussen at 60% to 38%). By and large, political parties do not work to lose the next election, and Obamacare clearly hurt the democrats in these midterms. Rational liberals would want to know why that happened, why their cherished ideals turned out to be such losers. And often the best way to do this is very simple, to listen to your opponents, to learn what it was in their message that was successful. But I guess its easier for people whose politics is driven by anger rather than intelligence to repeat the insults that confirm their own high opinion of themsevles

Posted by: mikem23 | December 27, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Great googlymoogly, ritchie...what a shame we will miss your conservative thoughts. Especially since being lectured by a wingnuts about civility and rationality makes such sense. Now is Obama a muslim communist or a communist muslim?

And if you think some bitter musings by a wingnut making trite observations that should play better at redstate.com is worth more than a middle finger, than you really are stretching...

Posted by: LABC | December 27, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Apparently in the Jennifer Rubin fantasy world the "chattering class" is comprised of only "liberals". Self realization is not one of her strong suits it appears since this so called column of hers is part and parcel of the "chattering class", in fact this column could stand alone as the definition of chattering class journalism.
-partisan to it's core
-devoid of fact and almost all opinion
-for her particular brand of chattering, the anything Obama=bad worldview.

Congratulations Ms. Rubin you wrote a column about chattering by chattering inanely

Posted by: Jaddison | December 27, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

jennifer continue like that your obsession for Iran will send you right to the insane asylum,
you do not stop you are no more credible and you are now the best allies of the Democrats for the next elections
no no no Miss rubin, voius if you want a war in go to the IDF, the United States will not unleash a war unwinnable for the sacred monopoly of nuclear israel and you know very well

Posted by: RAYAN123 | December 27, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the good work Ms. Rubbin and don't let the coastal rubes get to you. The left, as we see daily in Europe, is crumbling back to the dust from which it so ingloriously first arose post-Marx in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and after a century of dissembling histories created by the left in an attempt to obscure the great good of this nation, we are slowly piecing back together a vision of America as it was originally intended to be; a shining beacon on a shining hill overlooking all things worth looking over.

Liberalism isn't just a mental illness, it's a total mirage. It never existed in the first place. Look away quickly and it's gone never to return. Look back and move ahead.

The chattering classes don't need liberalism any more than the rest of us. In its absence their chattering will continue. We just need to learn to ignore it for the dumb, white noise that it is.

Posted by: tom75 | December 27, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

jennifer continue like that your obsession for Iran will send you right to the insane asylum,
you do not stop you are no more credible and you are now the best allies of the Democrats for the next elections
no no no Miss rubin, voius if you want a war in go to the IDF, the United States will not unleash a war unwinnable for the sacred monopoly of nuclear israel and you know very well

Posted by: RAYAN123 | December 27, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

mikem, if this predictable, bizarro superman wingnut listing of "Obama is a failure" appeals to someone like you - goody. But do not pass it off as some profound erudite piece - what you wingnuts should learn that having more paragraphs in an article doesn't make it smart.

Posted by: LABC | December 27, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

This is so good, I'm going to steal it!
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As those of us who have spent our careers embedded amongst the "liberal intelligentsia" learned early, they are often in error, but never, never in doubt.

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Thank yo meta materialist.

There is a perfect example of this amazing self confidence on another thread in this blog. A liberal clearly states that Iran and Al Q are sworn enemies. Yet the news contains a story of a Quds force member being captured in A stan helping the Taliban. You remember those guys doncha? those fine folks who harbored OSB & Co while the plotted our destruction? Remember them? Simply amazing what people convince themselves is true.

Further proof that self confidence in and of itself is not the be all and end all.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | December 27, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer:

I'm fine with your list, because it's nothing new. However this point:

" . . . there are no electable Republican 2012 contenders, . . ."

is really a intra-party problem. The GOP certainly has some electable candidates, but how many will be eaten by their own before the primary season has even begun?

Posted by: 54465446 | December 27, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't even finish this awful piece by Jennifer Rubin. Has the Washington Post fired all its copy editors? Are all the Op Ed editors rum-drunk in the Bahamas? This chunk of mendacious blather is perhaps the mostly poorly written example of the English Language since George Bush ad libbed what went wrong after Katrina. There is no coherence from phrase to phrase, she mixes domestic and international policy into the most noxious punch ever offered a holiday guest (then expects us to drink it with a smile, yuck), and rests her arguments on the opinion of OTHER opinion writers. What a sloppy piece of dreck. Can't the WaPo find better writers?

Posted by: jamesd1 | December 27, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer is a treacherous person knows that the military option against Iran will lead to a situation far worse than Vietnam and 60,000 soldiers killed , and the explosion of oil prices going to ruin the U.S. economy. the Americans travel an average 300 kilometers by day, and she knows it, so she wants the total bankruptcy of the united states and the victory of China and Russia.

Fortunately for the people of the united states, iran, obama, biden, mike mullen, robert gates,clinton,amiral william fallon, rational and experts know this and will not be fooled
in a war lost in advance

in the name of the sacred "nuclear monopoly ISRAEL"

Posted by: RAYAN123 | December 27, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Nice article, Ms. Rubin. The only mistake I note is calling them "liberal intelligenzia." Nothing about the progressive/liberal/marxists in our government is intelligent. There sole purpose is POWER. They get this power by ENSLAVING us to the government. They make slave of the lower and middle classes and take money from the wealthy in the guise of "distributing the wealth." Distributing the wealth to their pockets and the pockets of their wealth contributors like union bosses, big business, Wall St and George Soros.

Americans do not like what the progressive/liberal/marxists are doing and we refudiated them on Nov 2. They must make people SALVES to their agenda so they have more votes.

You would think that people whose families have previously been slaves would see this. Sadly, by reading their posts, they do not get the picture.

We look forward to a new day in Jan 2011. The day this hated congress is overturned.

Posted by: annnort | December 27, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Is this a conservative wish list? You bet it is. The most humorous thing is the visceral hatred that it invites from the “enlightened class”. If her ideas are so farfetched then what do you have to be threatened about? Just a thought.

Posted by: gr8cntry | December 27, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

This has got to be one of the most boorish, amateurishly BAD columns the WaPo has ever produced. Seriously. What is it with Hiatt and his obsession with Jewish Neo-cons?

Anyhow, onto the lame column. First off, the premise is a joke. Rubin cites the phantom 'chattering class', without EVER referring to one specific person or group to be credited with saying the things she has issues with. And as usual, conservatives are 100% impervious to irony, since she herself is a member of the chattering class with her column here.

It's as bankrupt as the idiots at Fox News do with their "Well, SOME people are saying___________"

1 - The public will learn to love Obamacare. (Do let me know when the GOP comes up with their own healthcare plan, mmmkay?

2 - Republicans can't win because they are unpopular (Most of the Dems who lost were Blue Dogs and victims to Teabaggers. And the GOP is still more unpopular than the Dems OR Obama)

3 - The Bush administration erred in being too close to Israel. (Oh boy, aint touching this one. Trying to talk politics with a DC Jewish Neocon is completely pointless as they are rather, well, insane about the topic. Bottom line, Israel Good, everyone else BAD!)

4 - George W. Bush betrayed our values in the war on terror (You are damn right he did, and as usual with conservatives, they turned their heads and pretended that everything was ok, because their Daddy figure 'kept them safe' while trashing the Constitution that they claim to hold so dear. Again, wingnuts and irony simply do NOT mix, as they are incapable of processing it. Bush will be remembered as one of the absolute WORST presidents ever and the damage to this country will take decades to repair)

5 - Obama is (Whatever, lady. He beat McCain, and that by itself is a good thing. The last thing we needed as president is another senile idiot like Reagan, taking naps in meetings and having his drug addicted wife plot star charts to plan his policies)

And finally, not one but TWO Iran posts. I know the Jewish Neocons are a bunch of bloodthirsty savages who think nuking a country full of 60 million people is acceptable, because they might pose a threat to their Jewish homeland paradise, you know, where Jewish soldiers shoot women and children in the back and starve and deprive people, because they are God's own special little pets who can do no wrong ever.

Don't you dare criticize Israel, scream the neocons! Never!

That was easy. I look forward to decimating more of your warped mental midgetry in the future, Rubin.

I guess Hiatt got his moneys worth with you.

Posted by: BirchMan | December 27, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Its clear that liberals are hurt, as is demonstrated by the usual emotional outbursts in response to Jen Rubin. When one solely relies on emotions to set their policy agenda and divide the electorate, the result is not surprising. Nov. 2nd rocked their Utopian world and they are still in denial about being so removed from most americans because the media, academia, and the lovable Jon Stewart had told them differently.

Posted by: belmontbob | December 27, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, smugness in our own superiority is a bipartisan failing. And in an internet era, it's easy to go cherry picking among the comments from those who disagree with our own views to paint the "other side" as irrational and deluded.

Yep, the Democrats/liberals were guilty of some errors in judgement this year. But Republicans/conservatives (like Democrats in 2006 and to some extent in 2008) had the ability to carp from the sidelines without offering coherent alternatives. Now lets see some specifics from the Republicans on how to deal with problems that don't fall into conservative dogma traps.

For example, if lowering taxes on the rich were always the key to growth, how on earth did we end up with significant growth in the 50s and early 60s with MUCH higher taxes (like 70-90 percent) than todays...and growth in the 90s with the same 39 percent top income tax bracket that is now treated as horrific?

Bottom line: I await with interest a column by Ms Rubin that takes a serious look at where the Right ("her" side, as it were) has gone wrong in 2010 as well as where the "other" side has gone wrong. Unless we have the ability to thoughtfully question our own assumptions, we are talking past each other in an effort to score points.

Posted by: Banzai45 | December 27, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

More "liberal elites" talk from page 45 of the Conservative playbook. How about looking up the definition of "elite" before tossing it around as a political football. If Miss Jennifer doesn't see herself in the definition, she should be fired.

Posted by: jckdoors | December 27, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Defenders of Ms. Rubin hopefully are aware that this is a biased and provocative column that has succeeded. It has provoked comments both heated and nasty. Is that not the intention? What is missing in the column is the long list for the memory hole from the Congressional disloyal opposition. There has been lots of disfunctional governance over the recent decades. So I see nothing different in this column nor in the responses. The only puzzle is that some righties expect Rubin's work to promote rational discussion.

Posted by: LHO39 | December 27, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

This shrill, yapping woman reminds me of Liz Cheney, Anne Coulter, Sarah Palin and, let's see, what's her name - the one for Delaware who has practiced witchcraft but not self pleasure.

Identical cousins? All made in a test tube by Karl Rove in a secret laboratory under RNC Fox News headquarters?

Posted by: areyousaying | December 27, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

so LHO39, are you saying that Ms Rubin is somehow responsible for the nastiness being posted here by liberals who disagree with her? It certainly seems that way to me.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | December 27, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Is Ms. Rubin a real person? This column must be a fake.

Posted by: Virginiatransplant | December 27, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lefties,

Your mama wears combat boots (both left-footed, natch).

Posted by: HenriLeGrand | December 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Rubin --
A) You are part of the 'Chattering Class' so quit setting yourself apart as something better.
B) Why not start calling Israel what it really is, or all that it is, a theocracy; or at best a democratic theocracy.
C) President Bush did betray our American values to prosecute the war on terror. The fact that Obama is as well doesn't excuse Bush.
D) Just about everyone in the 'chattering class' (left, right and center) called the republicans the permanent minority party after the 2008 election. You all got that one wrong.
And finally (E) if this is the full list of the worst you can come up with regarding the left, then we ain't that bad.

Posted by: Tpcushman | December 27, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

An excellent column listing a few of Obama's many failures. Of course the liberal elite are demonstrating their usual "tolerance" and "civil discourse". The heaping helping of their usual antisemitism is also always good to see.

Posted by: oldno7 | December 27, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

"The public will learn to love ObamaCare." The voters never have, and it remains more than a policy nightmare, with soaring costs and unintended consequences strewn about...."

There is no point in reading Ms. Rubins drivel past this point.

Her statement is basically a lie, considering many voters believe HCR didn't go far enough, that's why the numbers are slightly more negative than positive.

Most of the provisions haven't even been implemented and nothing in it has caused "soaring costs." It's only a "policy nightmare" to her and other conservative hacks that oppose everything the President does. It certainly wasn't all these things when Mitt Romney introduced it in Massachusetts.

So, why should we read a commentary when it's first paragraph is filled with demonstrative lies?

If this is what the Wapo considers "balance" then they need to take a hard look at their own honesty and integrity.

They have lost most of their print readers and publishing lies like this won't help.

Posted by: 8-Man2 | December 27, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The country would be better served if conservatives suddenly grew brains, but alas, that is unlikely to happen so we will continue to have to listen to conservatives' whining and posturing and made-up lies and deceptions about nearly everything.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | December 27, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Some conservatives like Mitch McConnell and Newt Gingrich are clearly mean-spirited. Some conservatives like William Kristol are merely stupid. Other conservatives like Sarah Palin are both stupid and mean-spirited. It is always a chore to sort the mean-spirited conservatives from the merely stupid ones.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | December 27, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

@OHIOCITIZEN | December 27, 2010 4:01 PM

How's that hopey-dopey workin' for ya?

Posted by: HenriLeGrand | December 27, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

You do an extremely pathetic job of representing the conservative view--as if there were a need of another "conservative" view in The Post. You are infantile, silly, and without substance. If there is a problem with employment in this country, and there is, your job should be the first one to be lost.

Posted by: walden1 | December 27, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Ritchie says: "If you guys want to have a discussion, I suggest that the comments remain civil and you refute Jen Rubin's opinions rationally."

Nice thought. But they don't want to have a discussion; they want to shout down anyone who disagrees with them. And most of them wouldn't know a civil comment or a rational argument if one walked up to them on the street and bit them on the nose.

On the upside though, anyone who reads the comments on this page will surely recoil in disgust from progressivism.

Posted by: Larry3435 | December 27, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Yo Liberals...perhaps you can debate Rubin with some specifics on her piece rather than simply indulging in Liberal insults with no basis in fact, i.e., "...Jennifer, you are a hack. No thought, no perspective, no analysis. You're just like WAPO and your average bagger; reactive and caustic...." Comon' progressives give us something that is meaningful; otherwise, just shut up.

Posted by: sageman50 | December 27, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Ritchie says: "If you guys want to have a discussion, I suggest that the comments remain civil and you refute Jen Rubin's opinions rationally."

Nice thought. But they don't want to have a discussion; they want to shout down anyone who disagrees with them. And most of them wouldn't know a civil comment or a rational argument if one walked up to them on the street and bit them on the nose.

On the upside though, anyone who reads the comments on this page will surely recoil in disgust from progressivism.

Posted by: Larry3435 | December 27, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Another vacuous right winger pretending to be intelligent. All we've gotten here is a snide, supercilious, mediocre column allegedly advocating a right wing stance on our national politics. This is the best WaPo can do?

And who is Jennifer Rubin? Never heard of her.

Probably a good reason for that.

Posted by: flamingliberal | December 27, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama asked Israel to stop building settlements and they refused to do so.

Is it wrong to ask an alcoholic to stop drinking and offer him/her help in sobering up, even though there's a good chance he/she won't clean up their act?

That's the kind of comparison that should be held up to those people who say that pressuring Israel was "ill-advised". And Israel has lots of "enablers" in the US Congress who keep supporting Israel's particular brand of social disease longer than need be, as well as the "enablers" of the Palestinians who keep on insisting on a "right of return". Except in this instance, the Palestinians have had the moral high ground; how can you blame people for wanting to stop someone from pushing them out of their own country? The fact that Israel is doing this one house at a time doesn't make it any less evil.

Posted by: armyofone | December 27, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

She is correct in noting that Obama is not the best communicator. He handed the PR initiative to Mouth Foaming Right by pretty much going along with all Wall St suggestions and offering weak leadership on healthcare legislation.

But, he did get bills on both finance and healthcare passed. And, polls show that the majority of American people wanted those bills stronger, not weaker or non-existent.

She also fails to acknowledge that low turnout primaries and mid-terms and gerrymandered House Districts and the permanently gerrymandered Senate champion 'un elite' tiny population states. These populations tend to be swayed by reactionary cultural 'stands' and contradictory economic and legal humbug. Usually, the Right elite can harness this. Lately, they seem to be losing these angry people, too.

In short, she is correct: 'conventional wisdom' is often wrong. But, she writes a shallow article.

Posted by: twstroud | December 27, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Not a very thoughtful or thought provoking analysis. The jury is still out on HealthCare reform - its main selling point was not that everyone would like it but rather that it would address the cost curve. Bush's policy was too close to Isreal but more specificaly to the conservatives there who spend way too much time and money messing with our elections. The settlements there are like illegal aliens here - a bogey man to get old rich people to do things out of fear. Who even knows if our Iran policy is different than Bush's? No this author that much is for sure. More importantly nobody claimed Obama was the mesiah. It is true people had high hopes but we knew better than to hope for too much. It's easy to complain but can anyone remember any president of any stripe accomplishing more under more difficult circumstances? No honest person can answer yes.

Posted by: bob29 | December 27, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Not a very thoughtful or thought provoking analysis. The jury is still out on HealthCare reform - its main selling point was not that everyone would like it but rather that it would address the cost curve. Bush's policy was too close to Isreal but more specificaly to the conservatives there who spend way too much time and money messing with our elections. The settlements there are like illegal aliens here - a bogey man to get old rich people to do things out of fear. Who even knows if our Iran policy is different than Bush's? No this author that much is for sure. More importantly nobody claimed Obama was the mesiah. It is true people had high hopes but we knew better than to hope for too much. It's easy to complain but can anyone remember any president of any stripe accomplishing more under more difficult circumstances? No honest person can answer yes.

Posted by: bob29 | December 27, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Liberals, some progressive Jews, blacks in servitude to the Democrat machine, and Obama's media lapdogs made some huge mistakes about a rising tide of populism and the Tea Party people and sympathizers.

Starting off with sneering condescension and homosexual community's pet smears like "Teabaggers" - by the likes of Anderson Cooper and mainstream reporters and Obama's mouthpiece Gibbs looks particularly stupid in hindsight.

Democrats deriding moderates and Reagan Democrats as stupid people and loons for being concerned about Obamacare and multitrillion dollar deficits has effectively driven them over to the Republican Party, which have grave sins of their own in Tea Partier's eyes - but who at least respect and listen to their concerns and issues.

Some progressive Jews talking about shutting down media coverage of Tea Party events, acting as "gatekeepers" and discussing how to "spin stories" about them to help Obama - did not go over well. "Journolist" and the liberal community's savage demonization of Sarah Palin and her concerns in Hollywood, in comedy...seemed over the top to many Americans. Even those that saw Palin as a ninny had a hard time fathoming the hatred of the women coming from progressives.

Blacks blundered badly when they had leaders that mindlessly followed the Dem Party line, then threw out weekly taunts of "racist" at the movement and capped their demonization with a false "Ni$$ah" cry by black Congressmen walking through a Tea Party event - when detailed video review showed the black congressmen inc. the "esteemed and venerated civil rights hero John Lewis" - made it up and were lying their butts off trying to play the race card against the protestors.

Posted by: g0tcha | December 27, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Here's another one by Rangel. When the people voted for Obama, they voted for socialism. I guess the election prove Rangel wrong again.

Posted by: houstonian | December 27, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh, that lovely term "liberal elites."

--

Actually, it should be PSEUDO-intellectual elite.

As if a Harvard Law degree would compensate for (1) lack of math skills and (2) common sense.

Nov. 6, 2012, OweBama is done.

Posted by: russpoter | December 27, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Now now Jennifer, as an Independent who is a liberal conservative (yes, we actually exist and no it isn't a contradiction) I insist you also list all the conservative errors. Especially the belief that the voters were voting against a liberal agenda. What the voters voted against is the same thing they voted against in the previous election. The refusal of the politicians to do what the voters wanted. Instead they did what they wanted. So the voters turned out the Republicans and turned in the Democrats, when the Democrats didn't listen we turned out the Democrats and turned in the Republicans.

Please note there are fewer incumbents now. If the Republicans don't listen this time the voters will turn them out and turn in Democrats with even fewer incumbents. If the political party's continue to turn a deaf ear eventually there won't be any incumbents.

Posted by: reiley | December 27, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"seem to hope for economic collapse in order for their electoral chances to improve."

This seems to be the norm these days, that the right would rather see total cultural and economic failure than see "liberal" policies succeed...

Bieng "right" was never more destructive...

Posted by: JEP07 | December 27, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, the chattering class that regularly appears on the electronic media is not known for its modesty or political prescience. And it really doesn't matter from which political viewpoint the chatterer originates.

I voted for Barak Obama because I knew the 20th century was finished and I believed he was the better choice of the two candidates to lead the nation into the 21st century. I continue to be confident in that choice. The reactions by the natural enemies of change and those who feel that change is coming too fast were not unexpected.I still prefer to look forward to the future with this President rather than suffer from any illusion that the world we live in today is like the one we lived when I was born following the second world war.

And speaking of the world immediately after the second world war, it is time that your Israeli brothers and sisters look for leaders who look forward as well especially with regard to future US support for Israel. I was born in 1949 and have been a supporter of Israel all my life. I have two sons, ages 29 and 24, who do not share any of my concerns for its security or any sentimental notions regarding its origin. And they see western values eroding there as elsewhere in the Middle East. They and many of their generation are just as likely to send US troops to dismantle Jewish settlements in the West Bank as they are to send troops to defend them. The elder son made the following statement:"I would not shed one drop of blood to defend Israel" The 20th century is history. We live in a different time.

Indeed President Obama is a real man and not a type of "messiah" some in the chattering class waxed on about. Conservative thought and the GOP are not going away. As it stands now, if President Obama runs for reelection, I plan to stick with him in 2012. The last two years may have been somewhat tumultuous, but from my perspective I do not see anyone left, right or middle that wou;d prefer over him.

I am looking forward to a great year from you.

Posted by: DforDemocrat | December 27, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

...and yet it was Bush's no-bid war and his tax cuts for the wealthy that took Clinton's peace dividend and divided it up between the rich and the richer, who refused to trickle it down so the economy nearly collapsed.

Posted by: JEP07 | December 27, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

More to the point is what Obama and his White House got wrong:


$ 3,400,000,000 or $ 3.4 BILLION in 'loans', bailouts and guarantees given to Wall Street from the public coffers.

And
The largest shift of debt (i.e. losses) from the private sector to the public in American history.


And
Billionaires enjoying all the benefits of our country, but pay only 15% on their incomes (carried interest).

And
100's of 1000's of 'mandated customers' brought to the insurance industry and guaranteed the industry will get to keep 15-20% of the 'premiums' received from the new 'mandated customers' (oh, if a 'mandated customer' cant afford to pay the insurer, taxpayers will pay the insurer , but the insurer can still keep 15-20%). Only 80% of your and my premium has to be spent on actual health care services.

And
Afghanistan
, pre-emptive war (starting wars to avoid wars), torture, renditions, etc continued.

And

Non-reform of the financial industry (six largest banks still too-big-to-fail, and investment and commercial banking functions still greyed - so, your and my deposits are at risk).

And
The system manipulated so banks can borrow from the government at 1%, to buy government bonds that pay banks 3.4%; thus, 'making' 2.4% by simply shuffling paper. (This is a great trick! And illustrates clearly why a huge finance industry provides nothing to the nation)

And
The budget will be 'balanced' on the backs of the middle class while tax gimmicks will persist for the wealthy and corporations.

Rejecting what American voters wanted:

1 The American people wanted a government administered plan like Medicare - for everyone. (72% - CBS/New York Times poll June 2009)
1A. Democrats gave private sector insurers a windfall: mandated customers, with a taxpayer-paid overhead rate of 20% for ‘mandated customers’ (20% of our premium spent on administration, CEO salaries, bonuses, sitting on Boards to set rates and decide who’s covered, lobbying for the insurers’ benefit, advertising and propagandizing to redefine more and more as ‘health care service’ while delivering fewer and fewer services --- essentially, we’re just giving our tax money to insurers to do with it what they will).

2 64% of the American people opposed expanding the war in Afghanistan and wanted to disentangle from Bush-era ‘War on Terror’ and ‘preventive war’ policies.

2B. Democrats gave us an expansion of the war in Afghanistan.

3 The vast majority of Americans opposed the transfer of taxpayer wealth to cover private company debt – the bailout.
3B. Democrats kept the 6 too-big-to-fail banks – now bigger than ever; kept deposits at risk by maintaining huge grey areas between commercial and investment banking; didn't 'punish' the financial industry - now even more profitable, with bonuses among the biggest ever.

And now 'The Compromise' with $10 to every billionaire for every $1 for the un- and under-employed.

This is what the 'liberals' got wrong: They turned on the people who voted for them.

Posted by: theworm1 | December 27, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Who's Jennifer Rubin? What a load of contrived rubbish.

Posted by: Koko3 | December 27, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I hear Teabaggers are so gullible, they actually believe their new Congress will decrease the deficit.

As opposed to what they will do, which is GROW the deficit and waste our scarce middle class tax dollars on giveaways to the Rich to invest overseas and Corporations to do likewise.

Lol, you are all so gullible.

Posted by: WillSeattle | December 27, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

And this is a columnist for the Washington Post? Are you guys following the rest of the media in trying to emulate FOX too?

Posted by: lwestevez | December 27, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Reality bits! What amazes me is the continued denial of the left about the failures of this President.

Reminds me of a famous quote slightly chnaged for the modern time:

"The left doth protest too much, methinks"


Posted by: ron_gallagher | December 27, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Is this a prank? Can anyone read this column and say (with a straight face) that it gives a reasonably accurate/fair rendition of the past two years?

Looking at the comments you can see a complete lack of foundation for the detractors and supporters because it is not clear what, if any, is the basis for the column. How do get traction discussing a bunch of fluff? Ms. Rubin appears to just be asserting "liberal" positions and then asserting that they have been demonstrated to be incorrect with only gut reactions of the readers (in either direction) as the support. This is a textbook stream of consciousness put to paper.

The only real attribution was on one small point--"Iran is more isolated"--which I seem to recall was the exact same talking point from the Bush administration concerning sanctions that were far less stringent than the ones that the Obama administration managed to get in place. So in the only instance where Rubin saw fit to try to substantiate her position (something that can actually be evaluated) the point lands somewhere between irrelevant and ridiculous.

Note also her heavy emphasis on how poorly Obama has handled the Middle East. To the extent that this is not just another crazy assertion, has this even been a major issue on anyone's radar (detractors included)? Why does this look like a column straight from Netanyahu's press office to the D.C. Israel lobby? Did the WaPo perhaps neglect to include some conflict-of-interest information?

Posted by: orgbluspider | December 27, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

This article will and shall go down the memory hole.

Once the article mentions "liberal elite", you know from where the wind blows and you just need to disregard whatever you read there.

The "conservative elite" is so transparent.

Posted by: jolandakp | December 27, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

@orgbluspider | December 27, 2010 5:32

It gives a reasonably accurate/fair rendition of the past two years.

There. I said it with a straight face.

Why does your comment look like Jew-hatred from the D.C. Arab lobby?

Posted by: HenriLeGrand | December 27, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

At least there is an intelligentsia amongst the liberals. I await the emergence of the "
brain trust" of their opponents. I am also Waiting for Godot.

"We are all born mad. Some remain so."
- Samuel Beckett, Waiting for Godot

Posted by: hakafos44 | December 27, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The only, but devastating, thing the Democrats got wrong is the belief that any modern democratic Government could not be taken over by a facist movement again.

Posted by: kacameron | December 27, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Is Ms. Rubin as intellectually dishonest as she seems, or is she really clueless, or is she just pretending to be one or both? The rigor of her logic, and the quality of the factoids she presents as evidence to support her conclusions, seem designed to appeal to Fox afficianados. No doubt the column will be quoted by Mrs. Palin, another conservative leader with an eighth grader's grasp of public events.

I suppose it doesn't matter which is the truth. The new right welcomes all snide voices, especially those of self-styled political "analysts" whose real claim to fame is their eager grasp of the mean-girl uniform, so Ms. Rubin should fit right in. Sharp tongue honed, facts be damned, and full speed ahead.

Do others besides me remember the days when the WaPo was famed for exposing Watergate rather than giving a plaform to the likes of Jennifer Rubin and Charles Krauthammer?

Posted by: adreed | December 27, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, why stop with this short list? There are decades of decisions and bills that we of the "Lliberal elite" got wrong. Such as Civil Rights legislation. Boy, don't you just miss those segregated restrooms? And women's rights legislatin? If we had not passed that you could be home, barefoot and pregnant without having to worry your pretty head about things like foreign affairs and torture. And Social Security. Of course, without social security, some people would make an issue of the number of old people freezing to death in the winter but they wouldn't be Republicans, would they? and how about unions? Sure, there wouldn't have been much of a middle class but since when have Republicans cared about the middle class anyway?

Fact is that some of this stuff is now very popular, but it was not when it was first passed. That is probably true of the health care bill, which has managed to survive relentless criticism of conservatives who, apparently, do not give a darn about the 45 to 50 million uninsured Americans, and is becoming gradually more popular month by month.

As for torture and rendition, yes, we Liberal elites think that Obama has not gone far enough in ridding this country of the taint of torture, but that does not mean that he is any more correct than that torture president, George W. Bush. Obama is better, but he is not good enough, because, Jennifer, we of the Liberal elite agree with most Christians and other decent people that torture is immoral. Unlike Republicans, who, apparently, have no morals at all.

Yes, we of the "Liberal elite" are so deluded and so out of touch, but we are also the conscience of this nation, compassionate, intelligent, all those things that Republicans are not. And no matter how bad it gets we have one undeniable positive trait that you, Jennifer, and your ilk do not. We are NOT Republicans.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | December 27, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

All that Obama's sellout proves is that AIPAC really has more clout than the American people.

Posted by: politbureau | December 27, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I read Jennifer Rubin's personal information before reading her blog and the ensuing comments. What is very discouraging is not the opinions she expressed although I happen to disagree with some of what she said. It was the way they, and the responsive comments that followed were expressed. I too consider myself a liberal conservative and an independent voter who wants to get all sides of a question before I proceed.

The name calling, the invective & the total lack of civility in the political process is IMHO counter productive and dangerous.

Ms Rubin, please make your blog one that encourages civility. How? By stating your views in such a manner as to encourage
civil disagreement or agreement with you. Someone has to start. Please let it be you.

Posted by: magdamom | December 27, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Ms Rubin you are dead on. The left wing elite believes that they are smarter and know how to run our lives and just cannot understand what happened in November and why We the People Rejected them. To this day on the talking heads show they are still holding to the notion that they lost because they did not explain themselves. The problem is that they did not have to, the People, those little proles they hate understood and fought back. It just gets under the skins of liberals when anyone dares to doubt them.

Another poster wrote:

"Yes, we of the "Liberal elite" are so deluded and so out of touch, but we are also the conscience of this nation, compassionate, intelligent"

A complete slate of lies. The liberal elite has managed to seriously cripple the middle income earners, has destroyed the health care for 85% of us to "save" the other 15%, directly rewarded and spurred on illegitimate births a major source of poverty and crime, fostered the victim hood mentality which leaves people helpless and beholden to government, forced out nuclear power leaving us reliant on coal which pollutes the air we breath and the list goes on forever! But to their last dying breath the liberals will insist they know what is best for others while not living that life themselves. The liberal mantra is do as I say not as I do over and over again. Well the days of the left are over and not soon enough.

Posted by: Pilot1 | December 27, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, you forgot that Obama has authorized the assassination of U.S. citizens abroad (I guess that that would involve only a brief moment of 'torture'). I didn't love Bush (don't like what the Dems have done, and don't hold out much hope for the Repubs) and saw his weaknesses. What baffles me is that so many posters continue to defend the foolish and damaging actions and policies of Obama. Actually, I see little defense of him, but, rather, derision of Repubs (if you can't defend his actions, attack someone--anyone, else--not very constructive, intelligent, or convincing). If people could just get past labels and name-calling, and address the issues, realistically, perhaps we could find some reasonable solutions.

Posted by: coffic | December 27, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

This is so right on........my sister-in-law is one of those hopeless hypocritical lifelong liberals. I started sending emails to her in late 2000 (right after the Florida recount debacle) that started "Don't you liberals EVER tire of being proved wrong??".

The answer - no, they don't. And the funniest thing about it (and why I believe that hypocrisy is the currency of liberal intelligentsia) is that liberals say about Fox News and about conservatives in general - "If you repeat it often enough, it becomes truth....." - THAT'S how liberals and the liberal media operate.

And if you polled independents, most would probably believe that conservatives are more prone to "indoctrination". After years of observation, it is my strong belief that while you can't really paint with a broad brush - conservatives tend to be more open-minded and can actually have their minds changed more easily than liberals.

"Tax cuts for the rich", "Lied about WMD", "Outed a CIA agent" (Plame), "Hope and change", repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat............

A discussion with a die-hard liberal is like arguing against a 2008 Obama campaign ad...............

Posted by: awolfson | December 27, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

No analysis, no new comment, only a regurgitation of hackneyed Conservative positions. WP readers deserve better whichever side of the asile they're on.

Posted by: kendallf | December 27, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

When I began reading your column, Jen, I had not idea who you were, perhaps an inexperienced over-ambitious fledgeling journalist. A few lines into your screed and your bias was clear. Proceed with caution, I told myself, the usual self-righteous pettiness lies ahead. You did not disappoint. This is the last column of yours I shall bother to read.

I value fairness. You don't. Sorry. Goodbye.

Posted by: castleb | December 27, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Clowns to the left of me; jokers to the right, here I am doomed.

Posted by: jlmaz50 | December 27, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am doomed.

Posted by: jlmaz50 | December 27, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey you lefties describing Ms. Rubin's invaluable offerings as work of a ---google "Jennifer Rubin shrill hack" -- make up some new insults. I claim provenance, baby!
P.S. Can you Ms. Rubin please put on your labor-law hat and help me establish some intellectual property/copywright rights on such derogatory terms? ;-)

Posted by: aardunza | December 27, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

one google -- two is a gaggle

Posted by: aardunza | December 27, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow. As an admirer of Jen's blogs on Commentary, I anticipated an exciting, intelligent and spirited exchange with the Liberal sector here. Wrong.

Instead: Shrill hysteria, ear-plugging, grand self-delusions, snooty contempt, outright hatred, and the now the sadly familiar erruptions of rabid antisemitism masquerading as "criticism" of Israel. Not one of the hostiles here provided a single intelligent or even intelligible counterpoint. Who would have thunk that when Libarelism finally collapses, it will go totally psycho, baring it's ugly, but once modestly hidden fascist behind. What an utter disgrace.

Well folks, as a Canadian, let me gloat a little; it's been a while since we could do so, but ever since we turfed out our own lefties, we got the best government in decades, a growing economy, a real military, and the beginnings of an independent international policy. Since we have about as much oil as the Saudis, we don't have to pretend that we respect the Islamists, the Third World cleptocracies or "palestinianists." And when Canada was rejected for the Security Council over its principled stand with Israel, most Canadians cheered and responded with pride for our government and derision for Obama's stab in the back and the dysfuntional and increasingly irrelevant UN.

Good luck with your "hope and change" nightmare and his not-so brilliant ideas on health care reform, his deadly "smart" diplomacy, the "climate change" frauds and whichever new idiocies will be appearing and playing themselves out. Gloating and funning aside, up here we genuinely hope that your Barry and his gang of equally incompeent sillies won't break too many things before getting turfed. But hope's cheap, as they say.

Posted by: p_kovachev | December 27, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I believe Ms. Rubin has summed up a lot of unpleasant truth. I remember how exhilarated I felt on election eve, and how filled with hope I was. I was so thankful that McCain - Palin ticket had been defeated. (Looking at McCain's shape-shifting since that election, I still am.) But looking at Obama, there is very little hope left. Guantanamo is still open. He couldn't deliver universal health care with the House and the Senate and the White house Democratic. He caved on extending the Bush tax cuts to the very wealthy. Terrorists and democratic states are treated as if they were equivalent. Everyone talks about the sorry state of Social Security, so we cut the payroll tax -rather than remove the cap on the Social Security Payroll tax. (Why not a cap on income tax? That would make just as much sense.) I think Ms. Rubin's column could be used as a coaching session for real believers in
the American Dream, universal health care, real opportunity (not a guarantee of success) for all, and a safer world. I voted for Obama, despite some damning baggage (years of racist sermons) and a lack of experience (one term in the Senate and no bills introduced and passed) because of the ideas he presented, and because he was clearly smarter than McCain and Palin combined. But we need more than smart, and we need more than good. As Plato stated more than 2500 years ago, until philosophers are kings, or kings become philosophers, we are not going to have the leadership, knowledge and integrity we so sorely need. We need candidates of whom we can say something more than that they are the lesser of two evils.
When I find one, I'll vote for him or her.

Posted by: sschein1 | December 27, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Turns out Obama was not the savior, golden speaker and thinker ...
Turns out all he could really do is read... as in reading a teleprompter where others do his thinking for him.

Liberalism/socialism/marxism are all failures and have proven to be just a big a failure in America as in every other place it has been tried.

I pray the democrat party purges itself of the Marxist/socialist... but I know they will not.

Posted by: markandbeth92 | December 27, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Facism is also a failure, as demonstrated in WW2. Keep the neocons out of power.

Posted by: kacameron | December 27, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Seeems like Ms. Rubin stepped on a raw nerve. Yes Obama and the liberal elite miscalculated their mission. No matter how much the media touts his victories they don't address the 900 pound gorilla in the room which is the ECONOMY.

Posted by: Herbert1 | December 27, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Can't we ONCE have a coherent, conservative (as opposed to right wing) commentary that does NOT parrot Fox "News." If I wanted the view of Roger Ailes, I know where to get it. Democrats are "liberals," and health care reform is "Obamacare?" Oh, please. I know Frank Luntz, too, Jennifer. But I don't need him to supply me with my political terminology, or my way of expressing my opinions, of which I genuinely happen to have a few of my own. Jennifer Rubin's column here is not opinion. It is regurgitation, and I expect a higher standard--a MUCH higher standard--from the Post. Let Ms. Rubin submit substandard drivel such as this to the Manchester Union Leader if she so desires, but it insults conservatives and liberals alike to claim that this is a worthy "opinion" piece.

Posted by: Dallas138 | December 27, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, look at all these liberals coming out shrieking out of their caves! Ms. Rubin must have really hit a nerve and the truth does hurt...
Great column, Ms.Rubin--looking forward to more.

Posted by: castellina | December 27, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"Wow. As an admirer of Jen's blogs on Commentary, I anticipated an exciting, intelligent and spirited exchange with the Liberal sector here. Wrong.

Instead: Shrill hysteria, ear-plugging, grand self-delusions, snooty contempt, outright hatred, and the now the sadly familiar erruptions of rabid antisemitism masquerading as "criticism" of Israel. Not one of the hostiles here provided a single intelligent or even intelligible counterpoint. Who would have thunk that when Libarelism finally collapses, it will go totally psycho, baring it's ugly, but once modestly hidden fascist behind. What an utter disgrace."

Very well said! The vitriol expressed by the left-wingers is sad, yet not unexpected.

Posted by: edmondsonpr | December 28, 2010 7:01 AM | Report abuse

Some conservatives like Mitch McConnell and Newt Gingrich are clearly mean-spirited. Some conservatives like William Kristol are merely stupid. Other conservatives like Sarah Palin are both stupid and mean-spirited. It is always a chore to sort the mean-spirited conservatives from the merely stupid ones.

Posted by: OHIOCITIZEN | December 27, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse
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Olbermann, is it you, intelligent and good spirited guy?

They biggest problem with libs is that they are inherently furious and unhappy. There must be some deeply rooted complexes in one's life to make him a lib. Goes hand in hand with their need to be Government serfs and total lack of self reliance.

Posted by: pihto999 | December 28, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

kovachev got it exactly right. The only thing he didn't mention is the left's Freudian projection. I am eternally amazed at the way the left accuses the right of things that are actually the defining charcteristics of the left. All of it is on display in the lefty comments here. The hate. The mindless parroting of the same talking points over and over, long after they have been proven wrong. The complete absence of any cognitive analysis.

Jennifer starts from the premise that her readers have at least some passing familiarity with the real world of politics and government. Obviously, that premise is wildly mistaken in the case of many commenters here. They are like little children, stamping their feet and insisting that nobody say anything they don't want to hear.

Posted by: Larry3435 | December 28, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

"The Bush administration erred in being too close to Israel."????
In case you missed the memo, Israel first requested that GW not invade Iraq, and then
warned GW that it would be a huge error to do so. Too close? Get real Girl. Besides, most intelligent folks realize GW can not be honestly credited, or faulted for anything that occurred under "his" watch, as Quick Trigger Chaney was the real boss, along with his old boss from the Watergate years, Donny 'Gestapo' Rumsfeld.

"The public will learn to love ObamaCare.

According to the latest poll, a majority of U.S. citizens still support the bill in it's entirety, and even a larger number support many provisions in the bill. Get your numbers straight lil darlin, or go back to writing kids books, perhaps something along the lines of "The Pet Goat".

Posted by: Confido | December 28, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Confido is just another left-wing fabulist who makes up results from the "latest poll" without mentioning which poll it is, where it was published, and who was polled.

Posted by: fbinahoy | December 28, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, Ms. Rubin. Clear and factual. You have hit the target in the heart. Look at the whining and name-calling.

Bravo, bravo.

Posted by: RonKH | December 28, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

President Obama is a LIBERAL???? In what universe? His policies are as conservative as those pushed by Bill Clinton, one of the finest Republicans to ever hold the office (in terms of his policies which included punishing the poor and de-regulating the banks).

President Obama is certainly NOT a liberal or a Progressive politician.

Posted by: DrSpector | December 28, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

fbinahoy, if you wish to attempt to disprove anything I have stated, you will have to do your own research. Typical, lazy necon. Let
the moderate Democrat do all the research, then try to discredit it with a simple denial. But, denial has always been your strong suit, huh?

Posted by: Confido | December 28, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

2010 should be remembered as the year the liberal was completely exposed as a fraud. Every liberal idea, no matter how small or large has been and will continue to be a failure.

Posted by: jtrikakis | December 28, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

You know this is a well written article when attracting so much of the same ole lefty hate. I stopped reading the comments about half way through with barely a rational disagreement and facts. As usual most are arrogant and simple-minded, smearing with name calling.

To paraphrase from memory a description of Obama from another blogger: Obama is bothered by adults. He has wanted the voters to be childlike, chanting three-word catchphrases and buying the product. He does not want a populace who actually question, dare to oppose or wish to peer below the surface.


Happy New Years Jennifer. Here's to a new congress, and the next election in 2012 :)

Posted by: Steevo64 | December 28, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

as usual, the comments here from dem/lefties do not dispute any facts in ms.rubin's article. instead, they all attack the writer personally..and use the opportunity to toss in some cracks about palin while they are at it. it's all very childish and tiresome.

Posted by: elpolacko | December 28, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Of course we all know it must all be the fault of.....

drum roll...........

George W. Bush!!!!!


Posted by: aloysius1 | December 28, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"I don’t understand why TWP insists on providing publishing space to far right lunatics."

And THAT, my friends, is all you need to know about the liberal pathology. So thin-skinned, so high-strung that even mild criticism evokes ad hominem fury. You are so accustomed to having your tiny little 'progressive' sensibilities reinforced by your echo chambers that one discordant note and you come unglued. Hilarious!

Posted by: pburich | December 28, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Finally, some truth coming from the Washington Post---Liberals just can't take any criticism or the truth for that matter.

Posted by: Sherri04 | December 28, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

My goodness, Jennifer, your mild summary exploded like buckshot in the butt for this pack of mongrels. Such pained yelping. Just remember, the little boy who commented on the Emporer's clothes got a bit of abuse. A lot of us have figured out this klutz. Witness November 2.

Posted by: bwebcpa1 | December 28, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

The left has nothing to offer but hatred. They continually diagnose in others the diseases that have hollowed them out from the inside. They have nothing but their seething psychotic hatred to sustain them. No objective principles of their own. "The personal is political." Their absurdly self-aggrandizing hate is all they've got.

Posted by: tweedburst | December 29, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

If Obama Care didn't go far enough wouldn't 2010 have been a Democrat/liberal landslide?

Posted by: msimon6808 | December 29, 2010 1:59 AM | Report abuse

There is so much B.S. in this article I can't even think where to start, but here are a few of the worst.
If the "voters" don't like the healthcare bill it is largely because of the lies told by the conservative lying liars.
Republicans are unpopular as is proven by just about every poll on the subject, but no one said they couldn't win. There is no limit to the gullibility of some voters.
Iran is more isolated as is proven by the e-mails from Wikileaks. Even the other Muslim countries don't like what Iran is doing.

Blah, blah, blah...
At what point does this type of blather become a moral hazard? What can you think about a newspaper that would print such disgusting and dishonest puke? Why is anyone printing this crap without attaching the ridicule it so richly deserves?

There is one bright side to it I guess; now we know if she wrote the article it isn't worth reading...

Posted by: biggerjake | December 29, 2010 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Lying is part of the plan, in fact it is required, in Marx's manifesto. If you know just one thing in the world, know this: the absolute only thing that matters to Obama, the Democrats, liberals, leftists, feminists, environmentalists, greens, progressives, social justice types, the MSM and the chattering class is the advancement of worldwide Socialism/Marxism/Communism. If you understand this undeniable, irrefutable fact, you know all you need to know about absolutely everything these people think, do and say.

Posted by: FrancisChalk | December 29, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Not a single substantive response from the left --all ad hominem, fact-free rantings.

Jen, keep up the good work!

Posted by: johnplunket | December 29, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

nyrunner101 wrote:

"Jennifer, why stop with this short list? There are decades of decisions and bills that we of the "Lliberal elite" got wrong. Such as Civil Rights legislation. Boy, don't you just miss those segregated restrooms? And women's rights legislatin? If we had not passed that you could be home, barefoot and pregnant without having to worry your pretty head about things like foreign affairs and torture."

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Feverdown writes:

You really should think before you speak.

Republicans Freed the Slaves.
Republicans Established the Transcontinental Railroad.
Republicans Passed the Land-Grant College Act.
The First Hispanic Governor, Romualdo Pacheco, was a Republican.
Republicans Passed the 14th Amendment guaranteeing equal protection to all.
Republicans Established Howard University.
Republicans passed the 15th Amendment recognizing the right of African-Americans to vote.
The First African-American Senator, Hiram Revels was a Republican.
Republicans Outlawed the Ku Klux Klan.
Yellowstone National Park was established by President Grant, a Republican.
Republicans Passed the 1875 Civil Rights Act.
A Republican Wrote the 19th Amendment recognizing the right of women to vote.
First two Women Mayors in the United States were Republicans.
A Republican President Appointed the First Jewish Cabinet Secretary.
Republicans Passed the Indian Citizenship Act.
The First Hispanic U.S. Senator, Octaviano Larrazolo, was a Republican.
The First Asian-American U.S. Senator, Hiram Fong, was a Republican.
The Republican Party First Called for Ending Racial Segregation in the Military.
A Republican Integrated the University of Mississippi.
A Republican Wrote the Brown v. Board of Education decision.
Republicans Established the Federal Highway System.
Republicans Passed the 1957 Civil Rights Act.
Republicans voted in larger proportions than Democrats for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Republicans Ended Racial Segregation in Little Rock public schools.
Republicans marched with MLK against Democrat Sheriff Bull Connor with his dogs and fire hoses.
A Republican opened up China.
Republicans stood up to the Soviets and won the Cold War.
Republicans support vouchers for DC Schoolchildren but Democrats, controlled by teachers unions, let the program lapse.

Conservative Republicans believe in individual liberty and freedom from government, the uniquely American idea enshrined in our Constitution, not dependence on government like our liberal Democrat friends.

Posted by: Feverdown | December 29, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I only have verbal scores that have fallen from 99 3/4th when I was a National Merit Scholarship finalist all the way down to the lowly 97th percentile, one degree in economics, and enough credits for a major in English, one earned doctorate degree, from a top university in my field, and 35 years of professional experience before retiring, not to mention having been active in politics for many years. That doesn’t qualify you as an intellectual, a member of the elite, much less the Establishment, or even to hold and express an opinion, much less to join the “chattering class, who too often seem to think that the freedom of speech and press guaranteed—not granted—by the First Amendment is reserved exclusively for them. What qualifies you, in the view of the so-called “liberal elite,” is total, complete, and uncritical, unexamined, dogmatic adherence to a set of rigidly enforced positions, one of which, that follows ineluctably from the others in this closed system, is that anyone who dares to diverge from any primary tenet of this liberal-leftist orthodoxy, or whose ability as measured by certain tests, or facility with arcane language, falls short of what they claim for themselves, is unworthy of participation in civil political discourse, if not of life. This class has long ago abandoned any belief in the American form of government in favor of some form of dictatorship by those of them claiming to be superior and more worthy. Those among them who identify themselves as environmentalists even go so far as to propose the elimination of two-thirds of the human population.
The first thing one notices reading the comments in the major liberal media, such as the Washington Post, New York Times, etc., is that, any time they do run a piece by a moderate much less a conservative, the overwhelming preponderance of comments largely ignore what the author actually said and quickly descend into ad hominem attacks and asinine nit-picking which really offers no support whatsoever for the insupportable proposition that the author and any other conservative are unworthy of respectfully consideration, or even of life. A notable percentage of such attacks and alleged responses actually make no legitimate argument against the merits of the author’s factual assertions or conclusions, and could just as easily have been cut and pasted from liberal comments on earlier pieces by other moderates and conservatives rather than being responsive to the author’s positions. In this one attacking Jennifer Rubin for daring to suggest that the liberals had made some mistakes, some essentially come down to “How dare you suggest that the liberals could ever make a mistake?”
I will say this for the Post, unlike much of the rest of the mainstream liberal media, they are not afraid to publish facts that, if you look at them, tend to contradict the liberal dogma, or editorial pieces by people who dare to challenge it.

Posted by: peterschamberlain | December 29, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's a stat you don't hear to much of...98% of African Americans who voted did so for Obama. Now imagine if white America had the same racist attitude. Not only would of McCain romped it in but there would of been a huge uproar both internally and internationally. Accusations of vote rigging everywhere. The last time I've ever heard of 98% of the population voting for one man was Iraq, bloke called Saddam.Coincidentally shares his last name with the leader of the free world's middle name.

Posted by: crowvan64 | December 30, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

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