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Posted at 9:15 AM ET, 02/ 3/2011

Losing a repeal vote, but winning the war against ObamaCare

By Jennifer Rubin

As The Post reported, the amendment to repeal ObamaCare failed in the Senate by a 51-47 vote. That vote was along party lines. Democrats may claim they "won," but will they in the long run?

The reality is beginning to dawn on those who've been ignoring conservative legal scholars and commentators that Obama's "historic bill" is in a precarious position. From The Post article:

"Certainly, it's becoming more and more clear that there's a real legal issue here, as compared to a year ago," said Ilya Somin, a law professor at George Mason University, "when people said this was just frivolous and had no chance of succeeding."

But Democrats also have their hands full with the politics of ObamaCare. Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) showed how easy it is to force votes in the Senate and vowed to keep at it, while introducing Republican alternatives.

A McConnell spokesman told me last night: "Every Democrat in the Senate is on record as supporting the health-spending bill, even as a growing chorus of Americans are calling on them to repeal it. And every Republican in Congress has now kept their promise to the American people -- even as the bill's implementation continues to break the promises Democrats made about what the bill would do." Those Americans can also be referred to as "constituents," whose votes in 2012 will determine the fate of Democratic senators who don't reflect voters' views.

A flurry of statements and press releases from House and Senate Republican leaders, the National Republican Senatorial Committee, conservative activists and think tanks filled up my inbox throughout the day and into the night. The phrasing was different but the theme was the same: Senate Democrats learned nothing from the 2010 midterms and are still disregarding the will of the voters. On such arguments are majorities lost.

But the vote to repeal ObamaCare yesterday was not the only one. In a move certainly exemplifying the adage that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery," Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.), who will have a tough re-election race in 2012, copied a bill of Sen. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.) to repeal the onerous provision requiring businesses to file a 1099 for healthcare expenditures. McConnell's spokesman observed that Republicans "got 81 votes on the Johanns amendment for a repeal of the 1099 provisions -- something that Dems insisted on keeping in the bill when it passed, opposed when we tried to repeal the first two times, and now claim as their own." Perhaps the individual mandate is next. And then a broad opt-out provision for states or a reconfiguration of Medicaid?

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) issued a statement stressing that Republicans had kept "their promise to seek repeal of the job-destroying health care law." The House and Senate Republicans' unanimity on ObamaCare repeal is an important message to the base and to independents who fret that politicians don't keep campaign promises. Moreover, we now have a clear demarcation between the two parties on a central issue. If elections are about choices, voters will have a clear one in 2012. Republicans seem very happy about that. The Democrats? Not so much. And that speaks volumes.

By Jennifer Rubin  | February 3, 2011; 9:15 AM ET
Categories:  Obamacare  
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Beautiful! We knew all along that repeal wouldn't carry in the Senate. The goal of making all of the Dems go on the record has been achieved. Repeal of this monstrosity is a marathon, not a sprint. The first mile has been run and the runner will continue to strengthen and pick up speed.

Posted by: alexandria6351 | February 3, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

What is new? Once again the liberal, socialist, Democrats have given the middle finger to the majority of Americans on Obama care. If they think we will forget in 2012, they better think again. We have all the names of those up for re-election, and you can be assured they will thrown out of office on their lying, arrogant, you know what.All their lies, corruption, back room deals, etc. will never be forgotten in 2012.

Posted by: frankv | February 3, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Most of this post is comprised of direct quotes from the GOP's leadership. Do you call that "analysis?"

How about analyzing the claim that "a growing chorus of Americans are calling on them to repeal it?" Every single poll that has come out for the last year has shown that only about 15% of the people want repeal. The rest want the law to be strengthened.

Or how about the blogger's claim that Democrats don't want to highlight health care as a difference between Dems and Republicans? If that was true, then why schedule the vote at all? Reid could simply have blocked the vote from coming to the floor. Obviously, he's allowing these votes because the Dems *want* this issue to be circulated.

Whatever they're paying this blogger...it's too much! They should just hook up a direct line to the RNC's spin machine. That would at least be honest.

Posted by: franklin411 | February 3, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Next time extend the repeal of the bill to also include a full repeal of the government provided health care policy that every member of the House and Senate enjoys (for life - after 5 years of service) and see how many Republicans vote for it.

Hypocrites.

What happened to focusing on jobs?

Posted by: onebrightmonkey | February 3, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

November 2010 was all about ObamaCare.
How Anyone, Democrat or Republican can defend ObamaCare-- is puzzling to most people.
Republicans and Democrats alike, Agree that we need healthcare/insurance reform.
However, ObamaCare is NOT the answer; its
not a solution.

Posted by: ohioan | February 3, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Again the democrats are showing their ignorance by thinking they know more than the voters. I call it contempt. In the 2012 election we will see more of them voted out. The Republicans actually have already won.
Out with obama and his puppets

Posted by: vageorge | February 3, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I paid a monkey to come up with the following poll data, which was just released by the Kaiser Family Foundation:

Percentage supporting straight repeal: 43%
Percentage supporting health care reform: 47%

Where are these hordes of Americans who oppose health care reform? Where are the demonstrators in the streets marching on behalf of insurance companies, which the blogger claims we're seeing? Where are people demonstrating to demand the right to watch their fellow Americans dying in the streets untreated, as Rubin claims?

Nowhere. They only exist in the fevered brains of the lunatic right.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/48124.html

Posted by: franklin411 | February 3, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

@ franklin411 You evidently have not been doing your homework. The fact is you can find polls and twist them to support any viewpoint you want. The truth is that the majority want health care but not obama care. It has little to do with health care and all to do with law and enforcement. It has already taken $billions from medicare. Now what do you think is the result of that? Less care or restricted care for those who need it the most.

Posted by: vageorge | February 3, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

@ franklin411 You evidently have not been doing your homework. The fact is you can find polls and twist them to support any viewpoint you want. The truth is that the majority want health care but not obama care. It has little to do with health care and all to do with law and enforcement. It has already taken $billions from medicare. Now what do you think is the result of that? Less care or restricted care for those who need it the most.

Posted by: vageorge | February 3, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The big lie is that there is a growing chorus of people against the heath care reforms.

Really what we are witnessing is Republicans using their propaganda machines to reapete this lie a billion times, but before that it was all about, "jobs, jobs, jobs."

So spare us all the BS.

Aside from a few tweaks to the law most of it will and should remain in place.

The Republican Party has been reduced to a propaganda machine and Republican voters are Saudi Arabian peasants.

Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp — the parent company of Fox News — making him the largest shareholder outside the family of News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch.

U.S. buys Saudi Arabia's oil, and the bulk of his country's gross domestic product (GDP) comes from oil. Fox News reliably broadcasts misinformation on clean energy, and aggressively fights efforts to move America away from being dependent on fossil fuels.

Wake up you Republican fools!

The tea Party never existed. It was a propaganda campaign to rally the disaffected Republicans. The media was paid to say "Tea Party" instead of saying "Republican" and in doing so created a new "brand" that was not tainted by the failure and incompetence of the Republican Party.

I'm tired of Republicans. It was all a nice puppet show. Foolish elderly Republican voters actually think that Republicans are going to repeal the Heath Care Reforms and ban earmarks and bring "freedom" back.

Would you hire a confessed animal hater to run a pet store? No? Then why would you elect politicians who freely admit to despising government?

Republicans rally against regulation of industry, and then America sees how that turns out when BP spills a million barrels of oil in our seas.

Republicans will rally against gay people, stripping them of civil rights, and then you find them tapping their toes in airport bathrooms looking for their gay lovers.

Republicans will rally against non-existent communists but have no problem driving an economy with Karl Marx like spending of trillions of tax dollars on endless wars against enemies that did not attack us.

After the last ten years of watching Republicans one word stands out as defining them perfectly; hypocrite.

A vote for a Republican is literally a vote for the absence of leadership. For Republicans, reality is a distant land that needs to be conquered at the expense of the Americans and their families.

Hands down, I'm voting for the Democrats for the next decade.

Posted by: getcentered | February 3, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

These repeal votes are a down payment on 2012. Obamacare is not only UNCONSTITUTIONAL, it carries within it the implicit assumption that China will continue funding the TRILLION dollar deficits necessary to fund it. China isn't going to do it indefinitely.

DEFUND & REPEAL !!!

Posted by: penniless_taxpayer | February 3, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

@vageorge
Anyone can make a broad, sweeping claim like "the American people want what I want."

Prove it. Where's the numbers?

Elections do matter, but anyone who tells you that the American people speak en masse through elections is leading you wrong. What they should say is that Americans who bothered to vote last election spoke. Generally, we're talking about 40% of the population that votes, and the GOP won a slight majority of those. So it would be most accurate to say that 21% of the American people spoke in favor of the GOP position, while 20% spoke in favor of the Democratic position.

Posted by: franklin411 | February 3, 2011 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Jennifer, discounting our battles over foreign relations, I believe that you are substantially correct on this one.

Without being knowledgeable enough to discuss the specifics of the legislation itself, I believe the Dems are losing the PR war on this, or have already lost.

I have advocated this week, in your brethren Ezra's column, it may be time to simply get the heck out. I think at this point it is probably better strategy to get a quick total repeal, than to spend the next two years fighting over it every week.

It was indeed a Pyrrhic victory.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 3, 2011 10:22 AM | Report abuse

So, the dems repealed a piece of obamacare that has nothing to do with health care. How very big of them. This administration believes it's above the law and that makes them dangerous in my book.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

@JohnMarshall
Yep, the Dems are losing. That's why support for HCR is up double digits over the last 3 months in every single poll, from an even tie to anything from a strong plurality to a good majority of the American people. =)

Posted by: franklin411 | February 3, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

As per the Rasmussen poll of Jan. 31st, 58% of likely voters at least somewhat favor repeal including the 47% that strongly favor it. 38% oppose repeal the 29% that strongly oppose it.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't have the print copy of the paper, but I assume this column was published in the fiction section, as every assertion was made up.

Posted by: scottilla | February 3, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

franklin:

I'm not much of a poll guy. You can't be selective and say THAT poll is important BUT when the numbers took a plunge for Obama that WASN'T important.

What will happen to the President's poll numbers if sometime in 2012 close to the election the legislation if declared unconstitutional?

Do you want to take that chance?

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 3, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Democrats acted like DICTATORS when they rammed ObamaCare down our throats.
The second problem is the individual mandate: all Americans have to buy health insurance.
The third problem is that ObamaCare Failed to reduce healthcare/insurance Costs.
The fourth problem is ObamaCare added 30 Million people to be covered.. before they
reduced healthcare/insurance costs.
There are many, many More problems with ObamaCare, especially that its 2700 pages.
And that Democrats tookover Student loans
with ObamaCare...which makes No sense whatsoever.
And, of course, all the new regulations and hidden taxes included in ObamaCare.
Etc., etc.
I swear to god it does not take a college edducation to put ObamaCare together.
Every person on healthcare reform committee
needs to be fired, because they wasted our time and our taxdollars.
Incompetent work, incompetent people!

Posted by: ohioan | February 3, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Franklin411 writes

"How about analyzing the claim that "a growing chorus of Americans are calling on them to repeal it?" Every single poll that has come out for the last year has shown that only about 15% of the people want repeal. The rest want the law to be strengthened."

Lets see if this claim of "Franklin411" is true. Here is a poll by Rasmussen of Jan 31, 2011, definitely a poll that has come out in the last year, whether Franklin likes it or not:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law


"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, including 47% who Strongly Favor repeal. Thirty-eight percent (38%) oppose repeal, with 29% who are Strongly Opposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Support for repeal has ranged from 50% to 63% in weekly tracking since Democrats in Congress passed the law in March of last year. "

Is "Franklin411" correct? No, not at all, in fact so wildly wrong one has to wonder about the mental world such a person must live in. In our democracy one can support or oppose any law of your free will. But at that post by rasmusseen, they list polls on obamacare repeal almost every week. All of the numbers show a majority supporting repeal, usually with over 40% strongly supporting repeal. Therefore not only was there one poll showing such a majority in the last year, but over 50 such polls. Only a deeply closed mind could continue to claim that these published numbers simply do not exist.

Of course, there are also people who think the moon landings were staged on a movie lot in Hollywood, that Alf Landon actually had majority support in 1936, and indeed, those who think that the earth is flat.

Posted by: mikem23 | February 3, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Just amazing. The liberals' love of polling data is simply beyond comprehension.

It is important to note that all "franklin" has is a quibble about the words Ms Rubin chose. Franklin will continue to argue that while the rest of America goes about the business of showing the federal government the limits the citizens are willing to tolerate.

the polling data notwithstanding the Federal government is out of control and out of money. When we step back and look at the entire panalopy of Obama Admin misdeeds the health care law ranks right up there, but so does his reckless abandonment of the rule of law during the auto bailouts and the use of unelected and unconfirmed bureaucrats to impose the leftist agenda on America.

So franklin my man, ignore elections at your peril. That's fine. When you are howling in the wilderness (where you belong) we'll be getting back to work making America safe and prosperous once again.

Yey unbridled arrogance isn't the leftist biggest problem right now. The biggest problem they face is the disaster in Europe. Andy Stern may want a future for America that parallels Greece, but the voters don't and they said so. How many more 90 million dollar elections can big labor afford to lose?

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 3, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The majority of Americans do not support appeal. Just get over it already. Where are the jobs bills? Republicans are such shiesters and liars and come 2012 they will find out what the American public thinks of their war on HCR, women and immigrants.

Posted by: jillcohen | February 3, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Not accepting facts because of not liking the facts is simply more proof that liberalism is in fact a mental disorder.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

skip:

We're on the same side today. How does a thing like this happen?

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | February 3, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Please correct me if I'm wrong,but currently,this is part of our healthcare system,if I have no insurance/no money,I can go to an Emergency Room for care,and if the medical treatment I need is beyond the scope of of an emergency room,then I will be admitted as an inpatient.
When this process is over,there are expenses,that have to be covered/write offs,cost shifting,tax incentives etc etc go into effect.
My point is that for the same reason that OC will be deemed unconstitutional,it is equally unconstitutional for the system to cover indigent care in its current format. It "illegally" forces a healthy me to pay(in a variety of ways) for your healthcare. Therfore,it shouild be illegal for an emergency room to accept indigent care UNLESS the hospital writes it off without any tactic of passing the costs on to me.
This means that the current laws forcing a hospital to treat the sick,are as unconstitutional as OC.

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Not accepting facts because of not liking the facts is simply more proof that liberalism is in fact a mental disorder.
Posted by: thebink

The belief that opinions are facts is proof that all isms are mental disorders,because all isms treat their premises as if those premises are facts.

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I view legitimate polling numbers as fact whether I like those numbers or not. If I see the results of say, an OReilly poll, I take those numbers with a grain of salt due to the political leaning of his target audience. I do the same with NBC, ABC and huffington post polls. Rasmussen poll numbers, while not perfect, are more legitimate than many.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Repubs never put forth a HCR proposal when they had the chance and now they want to repeal what the Dems have put together. Why are they always on the destructive side? Oh, yeah, I forgot, their only objective is to be against Obama even if he uses Repub ideas like the individual mandate. You see, Repubs used to be for that, until Obama embraced it.

Posted by: jillcohen | February 3, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

i wish the democrats would look at reality and see only 3 votes was the margin to vote the bill against the wishes of the people. i see many democrat careers in the senate going away due to the poor judgement in the vote.
the democrat party leadership has THROW UNDER THE BUS a bunch of careers. the CZARS are taking away congress powers as the congress is looking the other way.

Posted by: jagr1850 | February 3, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

thebink said: "Rasmussen poll numbers, while not perfect, are more legitimate than many." Wrong. Rasmussen has basically abandoned partiality for bias towards republicans.

Posted by: jillcohen | February 3, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Rasmussen regularly reports Obama's approval numbers at over 40% which I find to be disturbingly high. However I believe the results whether I like them or not. Please state some sources that back the statement that Rasmussen is biased.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I view LEGITIMATE polling numbers as FACT whether I like those numbers or not. If I see the results of say, an OReilly poll, I take those numbers with a grain of salt due to the political leaning of his target audience. I do the same with NBC, ABC and huffington post polls. Rasmussen poll numbers, while not perfect, are MORE LEGITIMATE than many.

You seem to be in charge of determining what is legitimate,more legitimate,(but what is most legitimate?) And what is a fact derived from any poll attempting to PREDICT the future,explain the past,or describe the present. All any poll is is a compendium of opinions.


Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

@jillcohen | February 3, 2011 11:08 AM

"...Where are the jobs bills?..." you whine. Where were you the last two years?

However in answer to your question, the ObamaCare Repeal Bill is a substantial "jobs bill." This issue is a major one for any employer, and right now American employers are begging for relief in the way of exemptions from it.

What happens when those exemptions are removed? What happens when someone or a corporation think about opening for business here in the States? ObamaCare is a great big red X on their list of pros and cons.

Posted by: jafco | February 3, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

There's generally a 2.5-4.5% margin of error in most poll numbers. In the final month of Bush's presidency only 13% said they approved of his job performance as per Rasmussen. Was Rasmussen biased at that time? I imagine that many on the Right believed so. I took those numbers as at least being close to factual. I considered those Republicans that denied the numbers at that time as delusional as I consider those that deny Rasmussen's numbers today as delusional.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok Healthcare Geniuses,a simple question,
Isn't the current system of FORCING healthcare providers to care for the indigent/uninsured just as unconstitutional as OC? Don't we need a system based entirely on the free market principles to manage healthcare?

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Of course opinion polls are called opinion polls as they reflect opinions. This is what they're for. Legitimate opinion polls are reflecting the numbers of adults that want repeal are growing. This is not my opinion, this is fact.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

jafco...I was echoing what the Repubs were yelling at Obama the last 2 years. Now that they are in charge of the House they have yet to put forth a bill that has any sort of job saving or creating action. Obama and the Dems saved the economy from complete failure in the last 2 years. The Repubs have introduced abortion bills, repeal bills and nothing regarding the economy.

Posted by: jillcohen | February 3, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

what they're for. Legitimate opinion polls are reflecting the numbers of adults that want repeal are growing. This is not my opinion, this is fact.
Posted by: thebink

Like I said,who put you in charge of determining what opinion polls are ligitimate/illegitimate?
Also,what relevance are opinion polls in this issue. If OC is to be repealed,it's up to Congress to do that. That is not possible now,but in 2012,if the GOP wins a 2/3 majority in Congress,even if O is reelected,it can be repealed.
If the SOTUS determines OC is unconstitutional,that decision will not be influenced by an opinion poll,Right?
Also,someone has to answer how our current system of forcing Hospitals to care for the poor,is not as unconstitutional as OC.

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

All the Democrats from red or purple states are now on record as still supporting this monstrosity -- even after two federal courts have ruled it unconstitutional, after the voters repudiated it last November in a landslide, and after its fatal flaws have become evident. These senators are scared of primary challenges from the left, but they will be easy targets in the general.

As this law becomes more and more unpopular, there will be many more votes, and the pressure will continue to build.

Posted by: eoniii | February 3, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama has no chance of winning the next presidential election. America's commie community agenda hits another brick wall.

Posted by: luncheaterguy | February 3, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

rcaruth, I stand by my "opinion" of opinion polls. However, I do agree that forcing taxpayers to fund the health care of the indigent and uninsured is wrong if not unconstitutional. My "opinion" is that both our current system and Obamacare are wrong and broken.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

rcaruth, I stand by my "opinion" of opinion polls. However, I do agree that forcing taxpayers to fund the health care of the indigent and uninsured is wrong if not unconstitutional. My "opinion" is that both our current system and Obamacare are wrong and broken.
Posted by: thebink

At least one commentator has the guts to connect the present system of healthcare coercion to OC. And this will be the SOTUS
dilemma,because the defense of OCARE will be the Fact that we are merely "Cosmetically" changing who must pay for the poor,which is the same in both systems, the not so poor.
In other words,what are the chances of SOTUS knocking down the present system of coercion as unconstitutional? None!
Which brings me to the fact that I have heard no comment from anybody that the current system is unconstitutional. I wonder why!

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe there aren't many Libertarians posting here.

Posted by: thebink | February 3, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe there aren't many Libertarians posting here.
Posted by: thebink

In my opinion,The perception of Obama makes Obamacare so offensive. The fact that there's little difference in the actual coercion within the current system & OCARE,is not relevant,though it is logical. What is most relevant is that Obama fails,and doesn't get reelected.
Here's the Roadmap,nominate Jeb Bush to pull out the most GOP voters in 2012,and repeal is likely a done deal. No other RFepublican can do the job like a Bush.

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

jillcohen wrote:

thebink said: "Rasmussen poll numbers, while not perfect, are more legitimate than many." Wrong. Rasmussen has basically abandoned partiality for bias towards republicans.

Presumably cohen means to say either R abandoned "impartiality" or perhaps "mere partiality". But in any case, this is a statement about matters of fact. If Rasmussen's numbers do not predict election results, then one can make a case for bias. But if R's numbers DO regularly predict election results, then the natural interpretation is that they do no reflect bias but a sincere and systematic effort to obtain accurate information

Here are the data at rasmussen's site for the 2010 congressional elections:

http://neoavatara.com/blog/?page_id=9559

R's final predictions for the senate was R +10, outcome +7, he was wrong in Nv, W Va., and Co, in 2 of these 3 cases he said these races were pure tossups. A good record overall

For the House, his final prediction was R + 62.

ETC. where is the data to back up jillcohen's claims?

Posted by: mikem23 | February 3, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The American people have proven over and over that they are willing to support those in need,whether it is healthcare or social security,or food stamps,medicare,medicaid,or whatever.
However,All of these are aspects of Socialism,but,as long as they are not labeled socialism,everything is Hunky-Dory. Americans like to view all of these programs as a temporary helping hand,and we are fine with aid on that basis,even though it is not voluntary.
However,when it begins to appear that these temporary programs are not going away,that they are becoming a socialist system,then we start to get upset.
The problem,Bink,is factually,that we have a permanent underclass that's in prison(taxpayer expense),in various ghettos(taxpayer expense),the unemployed*(taxpayer expense),and the medically uninsured(Taxpayer expense). There's no light at the end of tunnel for all this expense. Our mythology of Economic exceptionalism does not fit the economic facts of life anymore.
*The Business Owner Class,who is in love with the cheapest labor possible,is not in the mood to rebuild the American infrastructure of high paying jobs. Many feel that they have written the US off as the base for the world's highest standard of living. That's why there a large brain/talent drain from the US to other locales.

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Even though the House Republicans all lined up robotically in support of repeal, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell fell off his horse and broke his lance tilting that windmill.

Posted by: chuck8 | February 3, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

What if they Passed an Act and Nobody Came?

Posted by: aardunza | February 3, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Did not expect Dem's to cave on the first repeal vote but who knows what will happen on the 3rd, 4th... Only Dem who I thought might jump ship was Manchin from WV. Ran very much to right and is up again in 2012 I believe.

Posted by: Jeb6 | February 3, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the over 65 GOPers are enjoying their Medicare.

Posted by: jckdoors | February 3, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

To rcaruth:

I would like to hear your reasoning behind why our current healthcare system is unconstitutional. I will be the first to admit that it is flawed - bigtime - but how is it unconstitutional? County hospitals that are forced to take the indigent and uninsured are subsidized by taxes based on population. Everyone must be treated but no healthcare providers are treating anyone without compensation. They receive funding from taxes. Taxpayers only pay taxes if they meet certain requirements. Nowhere in this country does it say or require that anyone must pay taxes - only if that individual or business does something to qualify them as a taxpayer. Its like auto insurance. Nobody is required to have auto insurance. It is only required if you own or drive a vehicle.

For the first time in this country, the american people are REQUIRED TO PURCHASE SOMETHING JUST FOR BEING ALIVE! YOU'RE DARN RIGHT THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL! How can someone force me to buy a product or service if I dont want to! What is next? I will be forced to buy auto insurance whether or not I own or drive a car just because other people get into car accidents? How about if I am forced to pay unemployment taxes in my business whether or not I have any employees? It is a complete move toward socialism and WE WILL NOT STAND FOR IT!

As I said, I will be the first to admit that our current healthcare system is flawed. We desperately need some type of reform. BUT NOT OBAMACARE! NOT WHERE WE, AS FREE CITIZENS ARE FORCED TO PAY FOR SOMEONE ELSES HEALTHCARE WHETHER WE ARE SICK OR NOT AND WHETHER WE WANT TO OR NOT! IT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, UNETHICAL, AND IMMORAL, AND IT SHOULD BE MY CHOICE AS A FREE AMERICAN CITIZEN! ACCORDING TO OBAMA AND HIS SOCIALIST CRONIES, I NO LONGER HAVE FREEDOM OF CHOICE. THAT IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

STAND AGAINST SOCIALISM!

LIBERALS / DEMOCRATS OUT IN 2012!

Posted by: bwright1969 | February 3, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Just to clarify... I am not a republican! Nor am I a member of the Tea Party!

Posted by: bwright1969 | February 3, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I am not partisan and I have no party affiliation. I vote according to my conscience and my principles.

Posted by: bwright1969 | February 3, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I would like to hear your reasoning behind why our current healthcare system is unconstitutional. I will be the first to admit that it is flawed - bigtime - but how is it unconstitutional? County hospitals that are forced to take the indigent and uninsured are subsidized by taxes based on population.
: bwright1969
Private hospitals are required exactly the same as county,city,federal,and all government hospitals to take the indigent.which means that we all pay extra for private hospital coverage of the indigent.That means if OC is unconstitutiuonal,any law making PRIVATE hospitals pay for indigent care is also unconstitutional.

Posted by: rcaruth | February 3, 2011 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Next time extend the repeal of the bill to also include a full repeal of the government provided health care policy that every member of the House and Senate enjoys (for life - after 5 years of service) and see how many Republicans vote for it.

Hypocrites.

What happened to focusing on jobs?

Posted by: onebrightmonkey | February 3, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

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Given that there is no magical vesting of heatlh care after five years (Hint, look at the Federal Employee Health Benefit Plan), Congressmen and Senators pay just like all federal employees, I am not sure where you are getting the five-year free heatlh care for life statement. Can you show me a link, so that I can be better informed?

Posted by: PALADIN7E | February 3, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The newly elected House Republicans that so zealously voted to repeal Obamacare might have ruined their chances for re-election in 2012. Their pitch that The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, is a “job-killing” socialistic, un-American piece of legislation may have been bought at face value by 56% of the people when the Democrats were in control of the House and the people, worried about losing their jobs, or already unemployed, were in a mood for change. (44%, it should be noted, were not swayed.) Though no one really knew the details of the mammoth 2.500 page Act, the pitch at the time rang true But now that they are in control, the newly elected House Republican, along with the Party leaders, will be compelled to explain to their constituents exactly why Obamacare is the “job killer” they say. Hard facts, the nitty-gritty in dollars and cents, not more high-sounding rhetoric, is what they will be expected to produce. And it could well turn out that once their constituents become better acquainted with Obamacare, that many will want to keep it; that it is not a job killer, but a job creator, as the Congressional Budget Office suggests. In which case the new Republicans will come off as demagogues who had played on the emotions of the people to get elected. And on the prejudices of many as well. Though they won’t admit it, the tone of their rhetoric throughout their campaigns betrayed that Obama’s race and Muslim-like name was cause for alarm.
Furthermore, since their repeal coould pass the Democratic controlled Senate, and even if it had, President Obama would have vetoed it out of hand, House Republicans will be hard pressed to explain why they wasted so much time playing a political game when there was so much urgent national business pending. And, by the same token, Republican state attorneys general intent on challenging the Constitutionality of Obamacare will have to explain to taxpayers what there is to gain for their costly legalistic maneuvering—arguing cases before the Supreme Court is not cheap--which has no chance of succeeding, either.
Republicans at all levels should take note: Most Americans in these hard times couldn’t care less about political ideology, future budget deficits, the national debt, global commitments, or other such issues which they, nor do most politicos, fully understand. The daily struggle for survival in the here and now, that’s the overriding concern of the American people. Jobs, stable, well-paying jobs, however they are created, that’s all they care about. As President Clinton’s campaign adviser James Carville famously put it a generation ago, “it’s the economy, stupid.”

Posted by: Carlossss | February 5, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Dream on... Obamacare is Great and OBAMA WINS 2012 hands down.. BOYS.. LOL

Posted by: tbaughey | February 9, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

OBAMACARE IS FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.. THE POOR ALREADY GET FREE MEDICAL IT COMES WITH WELFARE.. NOW MY TWO COLLEGE KIDS GET GOOD MEDICAL NOW THRU MY WORK AND I PAY $120 BUCKS A MONTH. I WAS PAYING $440 FOR BASIC INSURANCE.. I LOVE OBAMACARE SO WILL YOU.. IF YOU DONT LET THE REPUGS SCARE YOU.

Posted by: tbaughey | February 9, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

OBAMACARE IS FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS.. THE POOR ALREADY GET FREE MEDICAL IT COMES WITH WELFARE.. NOW MY TWO COLLEGE KIDS GET GOOD MEDICAL THRU MY WORK AND I PAY $120 BUCKS A MONTH. I WAS PAYING $440 FOR BASIC INSURANCE.. I LOVE OBAMACARE SO WILL YOU.. IF YOU DONT LET THE REPUGS SCARE YOU.

Posted by: tbaughey | February 9, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

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