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Posted at 11:42 AM ET, 02/24/2011

Palin got this one right: More Jews going to Israel

By Jennifer Rubin

In November 2009, Sarah Palin made news with a comment on Israel in an interview with ABC's Barbara Walters:

"I believe that the Jewish settlements should be allowed to be expanded upon, because that population of Israel is, is going to grow. More and more Jewish people will be flocking to Israel in the days and weeks and months ahead. And I don't think that the Obama administration has any right to tell Israel that the Jewish settlements cannot expand."

The left-leaning JTA dubbed this "puzzling." J Street had a fit. ("Palin's pandering to her right-wing base comes at the expense of the security of the State of Israel, the lives of those actually living the conflict, and the fundamental American interest in achieving a two-state solution in the near term. Her words reveal a glaring ignorance of damaging facts and a callous disregard of past and present U.S. policy.") Reporters and snooty critics who should know better mocked her. The Christian Science Monitor proclaimed "her assertion that more and more Jews will be 'flocking' to Israel soon is dubious (the immigration of US Jews to Israel hit an 18-year low in 2007 while the Palestinian population in the area is growing at faster rate than the Jewish one)."

Well, I suppose one can quibble about the definition of "flocking." But today we learn:

The Central Bureau of Statistics said Thursday that aliyah to Israel had grown in 2010. According to CBS statistics, there were 14% more immigrants to Israel in 2010 than in 2009, for a total of 16,633 immigrants. Most of the immigrants came from Russia and the U.S., the CBS said.

There is plenty of room to debate the settlements and the eventual disposition of Judea and Samaria. But the assumption by so many elites that whatever Palin says must be daft and ignorant is a faulty one. Actually, when it comes to foreign policy she's been pretty much on the money (e.g. support for the Green Movement, criticism of Obama's human rights policy). On Libya, for example, her statement is in sync with informed Middle East gurus:

It's a little perplexing looking at the White House today. There was a statement on the horrible earthquake in New Zealand, and certainly our hearts go out to all those affected by this horrible natural disaster. But nothing on the slaughter in Libya? The protests in many places in the Middle East affect regimes that have cooperated with the U.S. on issues from peace with Israel, fighting al Qaeda, hosting our military forces, or cooperating against Iran's nuclear ambitions. Gaddafi's Libya is different. For four decades, this tyrant has held power. Gaddafi was Osama before Osama hit the scene. He ordered the bombing of a disco in Germany to kill Americans. When he paid the price for that - after President Reagan rightly ordered retaliation - he directed his agents to blow up Pan Am Flight 103. They did, and more than 250 innocent people died. Gaddafi tried to come in from the cold in 2003 - scared by the demonstration effect of Iraq. But we should have no illusions. Gaddafi is a brutal killer and Libya - not to mention the world - would be better off if he were out of power. Now is the time to speak out. Speak out for the long-suffering Libyan people. Speak out for the victims of Gaddafi's terror. NATO and our allies should look at establishing a no-fly zone so Libyan air forces cannot continue slaughtering the Libyan people. We should not be afraid of freedom, especially when it comes to people suffering under a brutal enemy of America. Here's to freedom from Gaddafi for the people of Libya.

The lesson from this is not "Palin should be president!" or even that "None of the criticisms of Palin are valid." Hardly. Rather, it's a lesson for the press: Reflexive criticism of Palin leads them to falsely assume she is always wrong and thereby leaves the press, not Palin, with egg on their faces.

By Jennifer Rubin  | February 24, 2011; 11:42 AM ET
Categories:  Sarah Palin  
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Oh, please, Jennifer. People didn't mock Palin for those remarks because they assume she is "always wrong." People mocked Palin for those remarks because they were totally irrelevant to the issue being discussed. No one was arguing that Israeli settlements need to expand because the population of Israel is growing and there's nowhere else for Israelis to live. "Natural growth" of settlements--the issue at hand at the time--doesn't have to do with people making aliyah and living in settlements, it has to do with people having babies and building additions onto their house--or building a school because more kids have been born in a settlement.

You're right, Palin isn't always wrong--and sometimes she is mocked for things she says that are correct. But this isn't one of them.

Posted by: TheFingerman | February 24, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Sarah Palin just looked at through her kitchen window and saw Libya is in turmoil!!!!
Where was she when Tony Blair and most American oil companies were helping Gadafi to stash billions of dollars in the west?
Oh, I guess she is trying to jump into the band wagon and bash Obama, Iran, and whoever is on the list given to her. Bears must be hibernating, it is good time for a bit of BS Politics. And who is better than Jennifer to pass the microphone?

Posted by: abraham3 | February 24, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Jen, this post must have been for you the journalistic equivalent of passing a kidney stone!

Posted by: coffeetime | February 24, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Who in the WH is telling Obama not to speak out forcefully on the changes in the Middle East, or is the silence coming directly from the top?

Posted by: keepandbear | February 24, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

In a sense, Israel should give thanks to Barack Obama.
Inadvertently, by practically destroying America's economy and any chances for economic growth there, he has encouraged tens of thousands of young, healthy, and well educated American Jews to move to Israel for the experience of genuine Jewish life, excellent employment prospects, affordable housing in safe and secure neighborhoods, and the finest, most inexpensive medical care in the world.
Barack Obama has also, by means of his open hostility to Jews and antagonism towards Israel, as well as Obama's open support for the most anti Israel and anti Jewish American Islamists, made more and more American Jews aware that their welcome in America is becoming more and more unwanted. This is especially true among young American Jews on the more virulently anti Jewish college campuses in particularly California who believed that their total assimilation into America was assured if they just had the right Liberal bona fides.
Of course, it would have been much better if Barack Obama had been more supportive of America's loyal ally Israel and had spent less time and effort pandering to radical Moslems and their terroristic and dictatorial regimes.

Posted by: Beniyyar | February 24, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

http://tv1.com/vlogs/213/posts/511
The "Best" of Sarah Palin, vlog-style.

Posted by: Read411 | February 24, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin would love to see all Jews in Israel, and none in the US -- that way it will be easier to round them up and convert them when the Rapture comes.

I will never understand rightwing Jewish people.

Posted by: Observer691 | February 24, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Benniyar said:
..he has encouraged tens of thousands of young, healthy, and well educated American Jews to move to Israel for the experience of genuine Jewish life, excellent employment prospects, affordable housing in safe and secure neighborhoods, and the finest, most inexpensive medical care in the world.
-------------------------------------------

If this is the case, why does Israel send beggers into our Synagogues during Yom Kippur before Yizkor services to beg for more money? In fact, why keep taking money from us American Jews to pay for that excellent and expensive health care?

Easy to say these things when you can't stand on your own two feet and need to hit us up during the high holidays.

Non-con foolery. Overseas welfare isn't conservative.

Posted by: mfray | February 24, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse

For all of Palin's flaws, I will give her snaps for putting her money where her mouth is. She, as well as the other Vice Presidential candidate, was willing to send her son overseas to fight the war which she supported. Any of the non-cons do the same thing? Ms. Rubin? Mr. Kristol?

Nah, didn't think so.

One of the better lines I've read:

Two things you won't find in a foxhole - atheists and neo/non-cons.

Posted by: mfray | February 24, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

It is a disgrace that any Jew, mfray, would complain about giving tzedakah, that is, charity.
If being asked to help other Jews bothers you so much just say no and keep your few miserable dollars to yourself.

Posted by: Beniyyar | February 24, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

You forgot or ignored the reason she said Israel needed the land.This was because they would be returning there for the Rapture. So tell all of the story instead of just the part that satisfy
your position of the lady.

Posted by: hairman | February 24, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"Reflexive criticism of Palin leads them to falsely assume she is always wrong and thereby leaves the press, not Palin, with egg on their faces."

Except, of course, when Ms. Rubin criticizes Palin. That's different.

Posted by: johnhiggins1990 | February 24, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Binniyar said:
It is a disgrace that any Jew, mfray, would complain about giving tzedakah, that is, charity.
If being asked to help other Jews bothers you so much just say no and keep your few miserable dollars to yourself.

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Tzedakah? I give tzedukah. To those who are less fortunate than I am.

Nice. You just laid out how Israel was a wealthy country with some of the best/most expensive health care. So which is it? You need charity? Since when is socialist redistribution of wealth in the form of our tax dollars Tzedakah?

I'm sure the Americans who are in REAL need of charity would love to know how Israel begs for charity while holding a loaf of bread under her arms.

And it's a disgrace for wealthy Israelis (per your arguement) to take from those of us who are not. When is the last time Israelis have helped us during this severe downturn? Let's see, they haven't. They've just continued to beg for more.

I'd keep my few miserable dollars, but the government won't allow that because I'm forced to give charity to You all.

Posted by: mfray | February 24, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Beniyyar: Cool down and take some deep breaths. Criticism of an ally's misbehavior does not mean we hate them. Many citizens of our strongest allies criticized our illegal war in Iraq. However, that didn't mean they hated either America or Americans in general. One can hate a government without hating a country and/or its citizens. Does your hatred of Obama and current American policy make you an America hater? No, it just means you've got an opinion about government policy that runs counter to Obama's.

Posted by: billyvw | February 24, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

what a crock billy.

the world wide left hates the jews. I believe this is because the world wide left loves radical islam. And the left loves radical islam because they see the movement as the most expedient way to destroy capitalism in general and America in specific.

and I don't hate Obama. He isn't worthy of that kind of investment of my time and energy. He'll be gone shortly taking the Jimmy Carter trophy with him.

And what law did we break in Iraq billy boy? What made that war "illegal"?

what a moronic point of view.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 24, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Gotta hand it to 'em, Sarah and Jennifer are both players, inside and outside, baseball and Beltway.

But, alas, still strictly off-Broadway. I'll carry the water for who(m?)ever carries a tune better!

Boy do I do a great Engelbert Humperdinck, all modesty aside...and Elvis, Como, and many others. Uncanny.

Posted by: aardunza | February 24, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"the world wide left hates the jews."

What a crock skipsailing28,

Most Jews are left, so what does that make them, self hating?

I believe this is because Judaism is largely based on egalitarian and humanistic values, as opposed to the right, who love dictators and militarism.

The right has no love of capitalism. Corporate welfare and obsession with defense spending have nothing to do with capitalism.

The right has always been the bastion of anti Semitism. The right only became find of Israel when they saw it as a tool to bash Islam.

"And what law did we break in Iraq billy boy?"

Countless crimes, but the biggest one was the mother of all war crimes, war of aggression .

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 24, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

What Jennifer forgets to mention is that Israelis are leaving at the same rate. Close to 1 million Israelis live abroad and permanently , and emigration has outpaced immigration since 2007.

A third would like to leave if they could.

Those remaining in Israel are increasingly ethno-nationalists such as religious Zionists, Russians, traditional-minded Sephardim and Ethiopians.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 24, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Beniyyar | February 24, 2011 2:46 PM

It is a disgrace that any Jew, mfray, would complain about giving tzedakah, that is, charity.
If being asked to help other Jews bothers you so much just say no and keep your few miserable dollars to yourself.

_______________________________________

What about Palestinians and Muslims giving to Palestinians Beniyyar?

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 24, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow, its shingo!!!

Perfect opportunity for me to describe the shingo slide off.

Islam's behavior cannot be defended. the modern world has moved far past the barbarity that is routinely practiced by Muslims.

I offered an example of a 14 year old girl that was beaten to death in the name of allah after she was raped by her muslim relative.

The story is, apparently, pretty typical of Islam. A man rapes a little girl then goes to an iman to obtain a fatwa against the girl.

Remember, according to Islam women have virtually no rights. the girl that was beaten to death in the name of Allah knew that her testimony, if it was even sought, only counted for half that of a man. Further she knew that if she could not bring four male witnesses, the sharia court could not accept that a rape occurred.

so the muslim man raped her, then got a fatwa to have her killed. Islam is as Islam does, beating women to death, or just mutilating their genitals, as the mood suits is what Islam does.

In response to this charge Shingo pointed out that women in America get raped. Of that there is no doubt. But it is important to note what shingo tried to do. Rather than defend Islam he sought to have me defend America. Sorry pal, I've listened to too many CAIR-esque slime balls since the deadly attacks on 9/11.

Muslims such as shingo can try their greasy dissimulations, but only the naive would fall for them.

the sad fact that there are rapes in America or even in the America military has nothing to do with the beating to death of a 14 year old girl in the name of Islam. We know that, Shingo knows that too. But he has to say something doesn't he? After all, as I noted, Islam is indefensible.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 24, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes it's me Skip,

What do you mean by Islam's behaviour Skip?
“the modern world has moved far past the barbarity that is routinely practiced by Muslims”
I dunno about that Skip. There was plenty of barbarity on display by the US in Iraq, and Vietnam, and Israal is Lebanon and Gaza.

“I offered an example of a 14 year old girl that was beaten to death in the name of allah after she was raped by her muslim relative.”

Did you? Where? Did you also offer a link to the report?

“The story is, apparently, pretty typical of Islam.”

if it was typical of Islam, then there would be hundreds of such reports, not just one.

“Remember, according to Islam women have virtually no rights.”

How am I supposed to remember? I am not a Muslim scholar and neither are you.

“In response to this charge Shingo pointed out that women in America get raped.”

Sure but wasn't that on another thread, or are you still stuck on that argument.

“Rather than defend Islam he sought to have me defend America.”

Obviously you couldn't, so you're angry about it. Interestingly, we are supposed to be discussing Israeli migration, and you are making his about the alleged rape of 14 year old girl.

Rather than discuss the topic, you ant to make this about Islam. How odd?

“Sorry pal, I've listened to too many CAIR-esque slime balls since the deadly attacks on 9/11.”

So now this is about 911 too. Wow, how many off topic tangents are you going to try and squeeze into one post Skip?

I am not Muslim by the way Skip.

“the sad fact that there are rapes in America or even in the America military has nothing to do with the beating to death of a 14 year old girl in the name of Islam”

Of course it does Skip. It's all about violence against women in the end.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 24, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

In a few years, more and more Ashkenazie Jews will decide to exercise their rights afforded them by their second passports. The demographic nightmare unravels-- Arabs become the majority.

The anti-apartheid movement and BDS finally kicks in with the EU, all of the third world and increasingly Asia refuses to trade. The country is now run by the remaining fanatics and fundamentalists that make up the current ultra-right. They are armed with something like 400 nuclear weapons. And cornered like a rat.

I really do not see much good coming out of this.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 24, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Well, no Jennifer, you're wrong.

Palin is both more often right than wrong and she should be President, quite unlike this current Bankster's poodle we have in the White House. This President is not only the corrupt stooge of Wall Street interests, but also he doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to stand by Israel when the International Left and the Islamic Fascist movement are trying to delegitimize the last home left to the Jewish People.

Sadly, the Left has become the new home of anti-Semitism in the modern world, disguised as it is as "anti-Zionism". Nobody is fooled, and Palin is leading Conservatives, and the rest of America, back to forthright support for the only democracy worth a damn in the Middle East, Israel.

Posted by: section9 | February 24, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: section9 | February 24, 2011 7:28 PM

Sadly, the Left has become the new home of anti-Semitism in the modern world, disguised as it is as "anti-Zionism". Nobody is fooled

_____________________________________

Apparently, the majority of the Jewish community, who remain on the left, are fooled.

Israel is a parahia state (according to Tzipi Livni) and is delegitimizing itself.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 24, 2011 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm very glad to hear of the increase in Aliyah, and I'm grateful for Palin's support--she's one of the true friends of Israel in American politics today. Her broader point, that Israel is a growing and dynamic society, is obvious to anyone who goes there without blinders.

Posted by: adam62 | February 24, 2011 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Shingo: I think that, much like Sarah Palin believes that only conservative Americans are real Americans, Ms. Rubin, Beniiyar, and Skipsailing believe you must be a conservative to be a "real Jew". Therefore, all of the Jewish people I know and love don't matter, since they are almost all flaming liberals. In their eyes, no matter how openly inclusive you are, if you dare criticize Israel, you are an anti-semite.

Posted by: billyvw | February 24, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: adam62 | February 24, 2011 8:56 PM
I'm very glad to hear of the increase in Aliyah, and I'm grateful for Palin's support--she's one of the true friends of Israel in American politics today.

As the saying goes, with friends like Palin, who needs enemies?

“Her broader point, that Israel is a growing and dynamic society, is obvious to anyone who goes there without blinders.”

A growing and dynamic society that still relies on the world's biggest welfare cheques and loan guarantees.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 24, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Jews seem to uncomfortable with the fact that Palin is more pro-Israeli than many Jews seem to be Do they know something that she doesn't know, that, for instance, Hamas has been persuaded to let by gones by by gone and live peaceably beside Israel? Or that Iraq is prepared to compensate Jews and Christians who had had to leave the country? Whatever. I somehow doubt that Palin is making a world tour just to use up her frequent flyer miles.

Posted by: RobbyS | February 24, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Shingo1. You mean like California? At least Israel can defend its borders. Say what you want about the Mexicans. they aren't religious fanatics who want to take over the government! Or am I missing something?

Posted by: RobbyS | February 24, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Your observations are right. There are more examples of her being right on top of National Security / Foreign Policy issues.

After the flotilla incident she was the first in criticising the flotilla to be designed to "provoke" Israel while State Dept was cautious. But when the situation started escalating State Dept three weeks later on June 27, 2010 had to come out and call it "unnecessary confrontations"

http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/israeli-flotilla-dont-take-mainstream-media-coverage-at-face-value/394980903434

http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News/today/10/06/2704.htm

This is one area she has improved a lot and is now among the best. McCain has been a good teacher for her to get the basics right and she has built on it in the last two years.

Posted by: akkashyap | February 24, 2011 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RobbyS | February 24, 2011 11:07 PM

Shingo1. You mean like California? At least Israel can defend its borders. Say what you want about the Mexicans. they aren't religious fanatics who want to take over the government! Or am I missing something?

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Yeah you're missing a few things.

What border is Israel defending Robby? Does someone have to be a religious fanatic because they want the land that was stolen from them back? Were our founding fathers religiuos fanatics for not accepting life under the King of England.


Posted by: Shingo1 | February 25, 2011 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: akkashyap | February 24, 2011 11:52 PM

After the flotilla incident she was the first in criticising the flotilla to be designed to "provoke" Israel while State Dept was cautious. But when the situation started escalating State Dept three weeks later on June 27, 2010 had to come out and call it "unnecessary confrontations"

__________________

She was wrong either way. Israel attacked a ship in international waters in the middle of ht night. it was an act of piracy on Israel's behalf.

Israel provoke their neighbors and enemies all the time with impunity, the only difference is that they don't have the weapons to do anything about it.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 25, 2011 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Look, there is a useless moron in the White House right now, effectively bringing America to ruin while paying off unions and all the money sucking leeches on the left. When Obama gets booted in 2012, the US will be so screwed up that I almost wish Sarah Palin does not run for the Presidency. It would be better to pay back the stupid American voters who elected that dolt... let the country collapse... the American voter deserves to get their butts handed to them for voting doofus Obama into office. I guess when 48% of the population doesn't pay any federal tax, they figure they are on the gravy train and Obama should just keep giving them more... like the latest - forgive some of the principal on those mortgages by jerks who bought houses they could not afford while honest people keep paying the tab. Typical marxist black liberation theology crap.

Posted by: philipjames1 | February 25, 2011 1:57 AM | Report abuse

How many in that 48% are senior citizens on fixed incomes? Do you want old people that can barely afford rent and food to suffer a little more so you can get yourself a bigger boat?

Posted by: billyvw | February 25, 2011 7:01 AM | Report abuse

It seems to me that on both national security and foreign, Sarah Palin "gets it" when it comes to first principles and joining the dots. Do not be 'enemycentric', ie, appeasing America's enemies while dissing its friend,(Israel, Britain, Poland, the Checzh republic, etc). Act from strength, ie, build and extend missle defense; what lack of anti-aircraft batteries were in the South East of England at the time of Munich, lack of missle defense will be for the US in the near future. Reduce you strategic dependencies! What, according to Governor Palin are these? Energy and Debt!! Governor Palin gets it.

As for all this nonsense about supporting Israel because of 'End Times' theology, there is not a shred of eveidence that Palin has ever held such views.

Posted by: genecarr100 | February 25, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, Miss Rubin - could you please give us an example of an issue on which Sarah Palin has been INCORRECT? Sarah Palin's detractors claim that she is "wrong" on every issue, but other than simply disagreeing with her on an issue, we never hear any explanation of exactly how she is "wrong". Disagreeing with Sarah Palin, does not make her wrong - and as with the Israeli settlement issue, she has once agin been proven right (as she always is) and her detractors have been proven wrong (as they always are).

Posted by: TriadMosh | February 25, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Geeze, it's no wonder the government of the US and the Democrat Party is in crisis. If you had to depend on idiots like the commentators here you'd be in trouble too. Talk about PDS.

Posted by: viator1 | February 25, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Activities to keep you busy while awaiting a Palin presidential announcement

10. Watching Parker Spitzer re-runs in a motel room full of Fleebaggers.

9. Reading all 500 pages of the Bailey manuscript: “Blind Allegiance to Sarah Palin: Beyond Falafels”

8. Purchasing a DVD of HBO’s By The People: The Election Of Barack Obama, sitting down with a box of Kleenex, a bag of Nutter Butters, and reliving the glory days.

7. ”Boning up” on “Indian” words and curry tolerance to locate and interview Hindu Palin haters in New Dehli next month.

6. Tracking down “dozens” of Palin-hatin’ conservative Republican activists in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, where Palin-endorsed candidates won handily.

5. Speculating she’ll easily capture the GOP nomination because of the extreme racist libertarian movement and violent mother bear element.

4. Speculating she won’t run because she doesn’t want to be the first woman to completely embarrass herself by winning a major party nomination.

3. Predicting her likely double-digit loss to Obama in all 57 states.

2. Comparing Palin to Gaddafi, a third-world Muslim dictator with an uncanny resemblance to Jack Sparrow’s dad.

1. Strenuously avoiding asking any of the other GOP candidates why none of them are man enough to announce first … since Palin.Obviously.Can’t.Win.

http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/02/top-10-lamestream-media-activities-while-awaiting-a-palin-presidential-announcement.html

Posted by: viator1 | February 25, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"I wonder if Sarah Palin just looked at through her kitchen window and saw Libya is in turmoil!!!!"

You mean Tina-Fey-as-Palin but that's okay!!!!!

Posted by: jimtreacher | February 25, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

- Regardless of migration patterns, Jews have no chance to win the demographic battle against the Palestinians. Even two-state solutions only defer that day.
- The settlements are a huge blindspot for Israel's defenders. The arguments for continued investment do not convince. In particular, whether "natural" or otherwise categorized, development could easily be suspended indefinitely. If that inconveniences settlers who might have to send their kids across a checkpoint or two for school, so be it.
- Any settlement defender want to characterize the settlers' motives? Isn't it to create "facts on the ground" that will then drive negotiations? If so, the last thing the negotiations is tighter constraints on the outcome.

Posted by: lfstevens | February 25, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

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