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Posted at 12:34 PM ET, 02/17/2011

The White House's 'outrageous' statement on Israel

By Jennifer Rubin

UPDATE 12:34 P.M.: I spoke with Rep. Gary Ackerman (D-N.Y.) by phone a few minutes ago. He was quite displeased with recent events, observing that "the Palestinians think they have the PR wind at their backs. They see the White House as more malleable and are taking advantage." He gave some blunt advice, telling the White House to show some "gumption" in turning back the Palestinian demands. He labels the Palestinians' gambit as an example of "the tail wagging a very flea-bitten dog."

In less colorful terms, N.Y. Democratic Reps. Nita Lowey and Anthony Weiner are also criticizing the White House.

Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-Nev.) also is blasting the White House: "The Arabs are using the UN to distract the world from the real obstacle to peace in the Middle East: the Palestinians. They have done nothing to prepare their people for peace and refuse to come to the negotiating table, even after Israel made historic concessions on settlements. The U.S. must not fall prey to this cynical tactic and allow the Arabs to continue avoiding negotiations. I call on the Obama Administration to veto any resolutions at the UN and instead push the Palestinians back to negotiations, where they belong."

Leaders in the Jewish community are using the words "outrageous" and "alarmed" with regard to the White House's U.N. maneuvering. The chairwoman of the House Foreign Affairs committee has put out a statement blasting the administration. It reads in part:

Support for this anti-Israel statement is a major concession to enemies of the Jewish State and other free democracies. It telegraphs that the U.S. can be bullied into abandoning critical democratic allies and core U.S. principles. . . .

Offering to criticize our closest ally at the UN isn't leadership, it's unacceptable. Pretending that criticism of Israel is OK if it comes in a 'Presidential Statement' instead of a resolution isn't leadership, it's unacceptable. Twisting and turning and tying yourself in knots to avoid using our veto to defend our allies and interests isn't leadership, it's unacceptable.

As I receive them, I will pass along statements being issued from both Democrats and Republicans on the Hill.

Meanwhile, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is meeting with senators in a prearranged get-together. The topic is Egypt, but this will surely come up.

The reaction from Democrats and Republicans is remarkably similar: What in the world was the White House thinking?

By Jennifer Rubin  | February 17, 2011; 12:34 PM ET
Categories:  American Jews, Hillary Clinton, Israel, Obama White House, President Obama  
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Comments

An unbelievable act of political cowardice.

Posted by: CylonCat | February 17, 2011 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama had supposedly been building bridges to the American Jewish community ever since he burned those bridges by his open hostility to Israel in the first days of his administration.
Well I for one am not surprised that for all his and Hillary's talk of an "iron clad committment to Israel's security" that Obama would return to his genuine Jew baiting and his heart felt antagonism to the Jewish State.
We Jews who know our enemies knew all along it was just a matter of time for Obama to fly his true colors.

Posted by: Beniyyar | February 17, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"What in the world was the White House thinking?"

Perhaps they are thinking it's past time for the U.S. to stop acting like Israel's stooge/baitch and constantly embarrassing the American people before the world with its hypocrisy.

Don't worry, the Israel uber alles media, the Jewish groups, and the Jesus freaks will swing into action and will have Obama, the National Security Council, and the State Department publicly eating crow and apologizing....just as in the past.

Posted by: Lazarus40 | February 17, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

"What in the world was the White House thinking?"
Not anything else than what General Petraus - potential successor to Genaral Mike Mullen, highest ranking general - has publicly written, i.e. Israël's interest may not coincide with the ones of U.S.A., and that it could be about time, considering how the world is evolving, to begin acting accordingly. Maybe also that preaching for human rights does not coincide with allowing what is done in Palestine.

Posted by: francoissz | February 17, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, a blog post about Israel. This should bring out our resident paid muslim shill: shingo.

I can hardly wait to read whatever pretzel logic slide off he posts. Should be an interesting example in misdirection.

In the meantime. I agree with Lazarus, let's cut off funds to Israel. No problem with that at all. If we cut off funds to Egypt at the same time, it is obvious that the Israelis will fare far better than the arab/muslims. Its a culture thing. The Israel culture is successful and the arab/muslim culture is a failure.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 17, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Outrageous i quite a mild word to be employed to describe this despicible act of cowardice..It firmly brands the end of America proudly being "The Leadr of the Free World"...More to the point, where the hell is Senators Schumer and Levin and their craven cohort in this hideous matter? Which cabinet members will resign in protest? As to our make believe Secretary of State, it is the moment for her to roarar out her defiance or be counted among the dross of history!

Posted by: mikebee1 | February 17, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

So Obama doesn't have time to condemn Iran while their citizens are getting slaughtered in the streets, but he does make sure to get out negatively worded statements about Israel. He is almost as good a friend to Israel as Carter.

Posted by: Natstural | February 17, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

So Ms. Rubin, you dont provide any specifics as usual, but you believe that you have the power to have Americans get all upset at the President because of what you and Israel says. Get a clue...the President is nobody's fool, and if Israel can't understand that, then I say it's time to show them the door. These oppressors have shown our President nothing but disrespect, believing that he would be a useable fool like so many other past US President. Israel is doing itself in, nobody has to do d thing.

Posted by: ruthella10 | February 17, 2011 2:35 PM | Report abuse

So Ms. Rubin, you dont provide any specifics as usual, but you believe that you have the power to have Americans get all upset at the President because of what you and Israel says. Get a clue...the President is nobody's fool, and if Israel can't understand that, then I say it's time to show them the door. These oppressors have shown our President nothing but disrespect, believing that he would be a useable fool like so many other past US President. Israel is doing itself in and dying by it's own greedy and unreasonable hands. No one else has to do a thing.

Posted by: ruthella10 | February 17, 2011 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Jennifer, Israel is not the center of the world.

Posted by: privacy5 | February 17, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It’s human nature to believe that those who generally agree with you on domestic policy matters wouldn’t hate you because of your religion, ethnicity, race or sex. American Jews have a cognitive dissonance which makes it very difficult to truly believe that fellow travelers on the Left might harbor animosity towards them because they are Jewish. I’m not angry at them, I just feel like Cassandra telling the Trojans about the coming Trojan War; there’s not even the satisfaction of an “I told you so,” just the tragedy of that war.

Obama never supported the Jewish state; this was obvious to anyone who wanted to see back in 2007. Those who contrast Obama’s positions vis a vis Iran and Israel are right to do so. I’ve never seen a President so willing to bend over backwards to ignore the wrongs of our enemies while bashing our allies.

To those of you claiming that what Obama is doing is in the interest of peace, you are 100% wrong. Any workable Peace deal based on the Two State Solution deal must contain land swaps recognizing the demographic reality on the ground and recognize that the Jewish neighborhoods of Jerusalem be part of Israel. The UNSC Resolution Obama wants the US to sign onto doesn’t recognize this reality, and will fuel unrealistic notion that Israel must unilaterally give up land, with nothing in return. I myself oppose new Settlements within the West Bank, but this UNSC Resolution goes far beyond that, delegitimizing Israel’s right to the ancestral capital of the Jewish state where tens of thousands of Jews currently live.

If there peace is ever to be had, it will be through negotiations, and the one sure way to drive a party away from the negotiating table is to declare one of the parties positions illegitimate. That’s precisely what this UNSC Resolution does. Land swaps will always be linked to Israeli security and the Paleisntians’ still missing ability to renounce violence against Israel and accept the legitimacy and existence of the Jewish state. President Obama has made peace less likely; is placing the deligitimization of Israel ahead of any coherent American foreign policy goals or interests. America is an exceptional nation for many reasons, not least of which is it being the only nation in the history of humankind not to oppress and cause violence to Jews. All decent Americans should rise up and oppose Obama purposefully trying to rob America of this exceptionality – and I think they will.

Posted by: *JRapp | February 17, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse


An American veto is WRONG message to send during a time of Arab instability. A very strong message.

What is the White House thinking?

It is thinking Reverend Wright.

Regardless of the mess of the settlements this is definitely not the correct message needed at this time. It will only embolden the reactionary forces and in a culture of weakened and destroyed Arab leadership.

It will bolster the wrong people, tempt them to take risky chances on the assumption of no American assistance. There should be no mistake about that.

This will severely LIMIT Israel's military options.

But I guess the White House doesn't see it this way.

Posted by: jato11 | February 17, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Even those in Obama's own party are incredulous:
“This is too clever by half,” said Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY). “Instead of doing the correct and principled thing and vetoing an inappropriate and wrong resolution, they now have opened the door to more and more anti-Israeli efforts coming to the floor of the U.N. The correct venue for discussions about settlements and the other aspects of a peace plan is at the negotiating table. Period.”
Rep. Nita Lowey (D-NY), the House Appropriations State and Foreign Ops subcommittee ranking Democrat, agreed.
“Compromising our support for Israel at the U.N. is not an option. The United States must veto the U.N. resolution on settlements to make clear we will not support such a blatant attempt to derail the peace process,” she said.

This episode is not a great example of smart power...

Posted by: SCMike1 | February 17, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Benniyar said:

"We Jews who know our enemies knew all along it was just a matter of time for Obama to fly his true colors."

Well, we REAL Americans are tired of the concerns Neocons have for Iraqis, Iranians and Palestinians instead of us Americans in and out of the Jewish community.

Funny hoe Rubin's neocons are concerned with everyone but US, while conservatives are concerned with Americans. Neocons hypocritically support elfare for Egypt, welfare for Pakistan, welfare for Iraq, welfare for Jordan and welfare for Afghanastan.

These people are nothing more than socialists. They conserve nothing. Irving Kristol should have penned the term "non-conservatives" istead of neoconservatives.

Posted by: mfray | February 17, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I am pro Israeli but I think it has long become obvious that the settlements are not sustainable and an obstacle to well, maybe not peace (as I doubt there will be any peace there) but maybe a more permanent understanding.

Posted by: amcalabrese | February 17, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

JRapp: One can dislike the actions of a country without hating the people that come from that country. We hated what the Soviet Union did. Does that mean we hate Russians? We hated what Nazi Germany did. Does that mean we hate German people? We hate what North Korea does. Does that mean we hate Korean people? You and other Israel apologists need to stop crying anti-semite every time the rest of the world asks Israel to behave like a modern democracy. They seem stuck in a colonial mindset, and I will not support them until they enter the 21st century. That doesn't mean I don't wish the people of Israel well. I hope they can vote in a progressive government willing to follow international law, and stop extremists from continuing their ethnic cleansing operation. We are all brothers and sisters, no matter our nationality or religion. I want Israelis to prosper. However, I want Palestinians to prosper as well. If Israel continues to try to prosper by dispossessing of an entire people of their land, they will not have my support.

Posted by: billyvw | February 17, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

amcalabrese, in all the negotiations between Israel and the PA for more than a decade, it has been understood by both sides that there would be land swaps that resulted in the larger settlements and the Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem remaining part of Israel. The idea that construction within the existing footprint of these disputed areas is illegitimate is absurd. Obama is solely to blame for this contrived issue becoming a roadblock to negotiations.

Posted by: eoniii | February 17, 2011 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skipsailing28 | February 17, 2011 1:28 PM

Hey, a blog post about Israel. This should bring out our resident paid muslim shill: shingo.

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How fitting that the resident Islamophobe should beat me to it.

"I can hardly wait to read whatever pretzel logic slide off he posts. Should be an interesting example in misdirection."

Yeah, imagine the White House voting at the UN in accord with US foreign policy. What a scandal!!

"If we cut off funds to Egypt at the same time, it is obvious that the Israelis will fare far better than the arab/muslims."

How so?

"Its a culture thing. The Israel culture is successful and the arab/muslim culture is a failure."

interesting logic there. Egypt has been around for how many thousand years? Israel is 65 years old.

It's a bit premature to be calling rab/muslim culture is a failure don't you think? especially when the CIA has predicted that Israel will cease to be viable beyond 20 years from now.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Beniyyar | February 17, 2011 12:25 PM
Obama had supposedly been building bridges to the American Jewish community ever since he burned those bridges by his open hostility to Israel in the first days of his administration.


There was nothing hostile about Obama policies toward Israel. Even in his Cairo speech, he said the bond between the US and Israel was unbreakable. Short of ripping off his short and showing a tattoo of the Israeli flag on his chest, that's pretty supportive of Israel.

“Well I for one am not surprised that for all his and Hillary's talk of an "iron clad committment to Israel's security" that Obama would return to his genuine Jew baiting and his heart felt antagonism to the Jewish State.”
The West Bank is not the Jewish state.

“We Jews who know our enemies knew all along it was just a matter of time for Obama to fly his true colors.”

Be careful of who you profess to speak for. Many Jews are turning away from Israel.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mikebee1 | February 17, 2011 1:49 PM

It firmly brands the end of America proudly being "The Leadr of the Free World"...

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That was over the day the US implemented it's policy of supporting murderous dictators, and overthrowing democratically elected leaders.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Natstural | February 17, 2011 2:34 PM

So Obama doesn't have time to condemn Iran while their citizens are getting slaughtered in the streets...

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There's been one death during the protests. That hardly constitutes a slaughter.

Meanwhile, Israel just killed 3 Palestinian fisherman in Gaza and at least 2 protesters weer killed in Bahrain.

Were they slaughters too Natstural?

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mfray | February 17, 2011 4:08 PM

Well, we REAL Americans are tired of the concerns Neocons have for Iraqis, Iranians and Palestinians instead of us Americans in and out of the Jewish community.

_____________________________________

Very well put mfray. So concerned for them in fact that they want to bomb them.
“Neocons hypocritically support elfare for Egypt, welfare for Pakistan, welfare for Iraq, welfare for Jordan and welfare for Afghanastan.”
And the biggest welfare of all for Israel.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: eoniii | February 17, 2011 6:02 PM
amcalabrese, in all the negotiations between Israel and the PA for more than a decade, it has been understood by both sides that there would be land swaps that resulted in the larger settlements and the Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem remaining part of Israel.

That understanding also also included the agreement that settlements that stood in the way of a contiguous Palestinian state would become part of the Palestinian state and that Arab neighborhoods in East Jerusalem would become part of the Palestinian state.
As the Palestinians Papers reveal, Israel has violated and rejected all these provisions.

“ The idea that construction within the existing footprint of these disputed areas is illegitimate is absurd.”
No it's a violation of the 4th Geneva Conventions.
“Obama is solely to blame for this contrived issue becoming a roadblock to negotiations.”

The issue was contrived a long time ago. Obama has inherited and pretended to make sense of it, but given into Israel demands every time.


Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

eoniii -- I do not think it is absurd. The issue of settlements continue to be a stumbling block. And I am someone who doubts that the Palestinian leadership (or the wider Arab leadership) wants a settlement of the conflict. After all, it is great theater and provides cover for stealing aid money.

I do not believe that the settlements are the sole issue -- take away the settlements and something else will be an issue. But it would be an easy gain to suspend construction for a while.

Posted by: amcalabrese | February 17, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

amcalabrese, Israel did suspend construction, but the PA didn't return to negotiations until shortly before the moratorium expired. Then Israel offered another moratorium, but the PA wasn't interested. The PA is in no political position to make any concessions. As you said, they're mainly interested in stealing international aid money.

Posted by: eoniii | February 17, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

More to the point of what Obama was thinking, what were the majority of American Jews who voted for this guy thinking in 2008?

Posted by: blackmage | February 17, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

There's been one death during the protests. That hardly constitutes a slaughter.

Meanwhile, Israel just killed 3 Palestinian fisherman in Gaza and at least 2 protesters weer killed in Bahrain.

Were they slaughters too Natstural?

Posted by: Shingo1
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Shingo, this is from a NYT article today about the PA canceling plans for an election -- again. The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine didn't get the memo about their terrorist being a "fisherman".


"The Israeli military said in a statement that its forces opened fire at Palestinian militants who were approaching the border fence in order to plant explosives, hitting three. The military does not allow Palestinians in the border zone.

The Gaza-based Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights said that the three men had gone near the border to collect seashells, which they intended to sell. But the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a small group, identified one of the men as a member and said he was killed while carrying out a mission for its military wing."

Posted by: eoniii | February 17, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Why should the US Foreign Policy be so behoven to the interests of Israel at the expense of more than 300 million Arabs?

In crude capitalistic terms, why should US not capitalize on this larger group?

Additionally, why should the US ignore the democratic reforms sought by ordinary Arab populations? Is the US prepared to be seen, by the entire world, as a misguided and deeply flawed representative of democracy in the world?

It is still highly questionable whether Israel represents the authentic aspirations of the Jewish people given that so many intelligent Jews are opposed to it. Israel is very similar to Apartheid in South Africa and what happened to that?

Posted by: dinalfitrah | February 17, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Eoniii,

Israel continued construction, it never suspended it.

Offering to stop stealing from someone else (temporarily) is not a concession. As the Palestine Papers reveal, the PA had already offered Israel everything they wanted, and Israel rejected it.

Israel did not offer any more moratoriums. In fact, Netenyhu admitetd that extending the existing one would tear his government apart, which was an admission that Bibbi could never deliver on any deal.

Israel steals far more from us than the PA.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 10:10 PM | Report abuse

eoniii,

it's hardly surprising that the unelected PA are canceling plans for an election. They lost last time and refused to abide by the results – which they lost. The PA are Israeli puppets after all.

"The Israeli military said in a statement that its forces opened fire at Palestinian militants who were approaching the border fence in order to plant explosives, hitting three. The military does not allow Palestinians in the border zone.”

A border zone on Gaza's side the border. I though Israel had withdrawn from Gaza and ended the occupation? Apparently not.

BTW. The IDF lie about everything and are exposed as liars repeatedly, so don't waste your time citing them as evidence.

“But the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a small group, identified one of the men as a member and said he was killed while carrying out a mission for its military wing."

What mission? What was he carrying?

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dinalfitrah | February 17, 2011 8:59 PM
Why should the US Foreign Policy be so behoven to the interests of Israel at the expense of more than 300 million Arabs?
In crude capitalistic terms, why should US not capitalize on this larger group?


Good question. It makes no sense does it? Imagine what a huge market that would open up for the US?

“Is the US prepared to be seen, by the entire world, as a misguided and deeply flawed representative of democracy in the world?”

Short answer yes, because the US became too enamored with it's own power. Now the power is dwindling (fast), the US is looking like a clueless alcoholic uncle, who allowed it's indulgent, self destructive and petulant nephew to continue to pick his pockets while he was passed out on the couch.

Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

"What in the world was the White House thinking?"

My guess is the Obami are thinking maybe this abuse of the UNSC will get at least one of Egypt's secular political parties to NOT include "tear up Camp David so Egypt can have a new war with Israel" in their campaign platform.

Actually, I think Obama stopped being able to think, and he knows he can not win in 2012, so he is going to throw anyone and any country to the wolves. 23 months of "creative" destruction - full steam ahead.

Posted by: K2K2 | February 18, 2011 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Nothing like a debate on Israel to bring the anti semites out in droves claiming Israel is an apartheid, racist state that oppresses its arab minority. Which is pretty funny considering that for thousands of years Jews lived in peace throughout the middle east and bothered no one. There were 150,000 in Iraq, 500,000 in Iran, 150,000 in Lebanon and Jordan and Syria had over 250,000 and even in Kuwait, yemen and the emirates Jews lived by themselves and bothered no one. Where are they now? They are dead and all of their posssessions and land were stolen. Basically they were ethinically cleansed by the arab monarchs, emirs and rulers. Wiped out of society for nothing other than being Jewish.

So where is jimmy carter, tutu, ashton, palvey and the rest on arguing for the same Jewish historical rights that they defend for Palestininans. Where is the right of return for Jews. How is it that the Palestinians have a law that requires the death sentance for selling land to a Jew and the haters say nothing. How about a nice text book that calls muslims decendants of pigs and monkeys reinforced with daily cartoons using hate speech and sterotypes. How about we burn a few korans like the torahs that are routinely defiled. It never ends. becasue the defenders of the palsetinians are in total denial and riven by hate for Jews not reality. They are so moraly and intellectually bankrupt their opinions are a farce.

So wise up ... If any of you jew hating anti semites that regularly post here, like the moron who says the CIA predicts that Israel will be gone in 20 years, as if the CIA is right about anything anyway, want to know why Israel always goes its own way it because all the politically correct liberals in Europe and here have been exposed as the bias haters they are. This isn't about Israel as a state or its policies, arabs inIsrael vote, own property have due process and lord know they have freedom of assebly and to protest. So its really about hating Jews and not caring if arab policy is to wipe them off the map.

If obama doesn't veto the UN resolution he will inflame the middle east by pushing Israael further into isolation and by supporting the enemies of the US and freedom. He will also undermine the US being able to influence it spolicies policy. With arabs threatening to wipe it off the map and a large nuclear arsenal capable of hitting anywwhere in the world, you must ask yourself ... how much does obama really hate Israel?

Posted by: RealityCheck28 | February 18, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Nice article, Jennifer. Joseph Goebbels would be very proud of you. This is what a propagandist, by definition, does: asserts any claim as fact in service of a concealed agenda without the slightest concern for whether it’s true.

f you examine our relationship with Israel since 1948, you can easily see that the Israelis killed American citizens and got way with it. The Israelis spied on America repeatedly and got away with it. The Israelis sold our top military and industrial technology to Communist China and got away with it.

No American political figure can condemn Israel for anything; Israel is untouchable in America. The Israeli lobby has tamed and controlled our Congress and our mainstream media as well. Our Congress is more loyal to Israel than the Israeli Knesset and our media is friendlier to Israel than the Israeli media. The Israeli total control of America’s foreign policy is well known fact that not even the Israelis bother to deny it. No one has framed the power of the Israeli lobby over America better than the ex Israeli Prime Minister, Arial Sharon:

"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." --Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (speaking to Shimon Peres, as reported on Israel Radio [in Hebrew, Kol Yisrael], 3 October 2001)

Posted by: ardestani | February 18, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The core issue starting day one and up today is:
Arab refusal to recognize the right of the Jews to a Jewish country in the Jewish 3500 years old nation and culture homeland.
Pointing the settlements as the peace obstacle is an Arab tactical lie and diversion tool.
2:at the European should learn from their colonial period and ongoing conflicts in Europe.
Hopefully the Americans will not be trapped to repeat the same mistakes.
*PEOPLE DESIRE TO BE GOVERNED BY THEIR OWN.
*ARTIFICAL OR IMPOSED BOARDERS ARE NOT PERMANET SOLLUTIONS.
*THEY ARE THE SEEDS OF ONGOING CONFLICTS.
A: Example of unsolved conflicts
1:Vive le Quibec Frances? – Solved?
2:Belgian Valones and Flames separation desired- solved?
3:Scottish independence from UK desire- solved?
4:All Balkans wars and conflicts- solved?
5:Wars in Caucuses -solved?
6:Tibetan independencies desire- solved?
7:Burma minorities war for independence solved?
8:African many wars as result of European policy of slip or unite tribes in artificial states -solved?
9:Kurds desire for independence in Turkey and Iraq –solved?
10: Kashmir ?
11: Chasing of Christians and all non Muslims people in Muslim countries?
12; The civil wars Lebanon artificially created by France.-solved?
-–
B: Solutions example
1:The split of Czechoslovakia into the Czech and Slovakia countries.
2:In the Swiss famous peaceful coexistence between German, France groups a canton has been spleet into: Jura-France and Bern-German.
3: Turkey and Greece don’t fight for the last 90 years following the population exchange between these two countries. Approximately 1.5 million Greeks from Turkey and about half a million Muslims from Greece were uprooted from their homelands.
4:Turkey force partition of Cyprus into a Christian and Muslim control areas is a problem or the solution? Following the partition on the ground no casualties
.
C: LEASSONS THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUTITY SHOULD IMPLEMENT WHILE SOLVING THE ISREAL – ARBS CONFLICT!
1: Minimize the creation of conflict continuation while defining boarders.
2: Muslims governed by Arabs.
Jews and others governed by Israel.
3:Israel will hand over to Palestinian government land inhabited by Arabs from Israel and the Jews from settlements will be governed by Israel.
Both the Arabs and Jew will remain in their current homes nobody will have to move physically

Posted by: mordechayariely | February 18, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who chides Shingo1 for his disproportionate criticism and hatred of Israel gets dismissed as being nonsubstantive and non liberal.Well let's look at how Shingo1 handles substance and some of thr "snake oil" he sells as such.,both from this blog and the one from two weeks ago.

Shingo, this is from a NYT article today about the PA canceling plans for an election -- again. The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine didn't get the memo about their terrorist being a "fisherman".
"The Israeli military said in a statement that its forces opened fire at Palestinian militants who were approaching the border fence in order to plant explosives, hitting three. The military does not allow Palestinians in the border zone.
The Gaza-based Al-Mezan Center for Human Rights said that the three men had gone near the border to collect seashells, which they intended to sell. But the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a small group, identified one of the men as a member and said he was killed while carrying out a mission for its military wing."
Posted by: eoniii | February 17, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

What mission? What was he carrying?
Posted by: Shingo1 | February 17, 2011 10:14 PM | Report abuse
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Shingo1 "Furthermore, Israel and the US have both threatened Iran repeatedly,.
Shingo1 They made on e attempt only and that attempt was to drive Israeli forces out of Palestine AFTER Israel declared independence and ceased to be part of Palestine. Isrel has staretd every war since since, with the possible exception of 1973, which was payback for 1967"

Shingo1 "You have to love how PEP's like getreal22 are so proud to acknowledge their willingness to check their Liberal ideology at the door when the subject of Israel comes up

(PEP's Means Progressives Except For Palestine for those who don't measure up to Shingo1's definition of "liberal")

Which reminds me Shingo1, the Iran that you say the US and Israel repeatedly threaten., is this the same Iran whose (unduly elected”)President has threatened to “Wipe Israel Off The Map”/”Make Them Disappear”, Execute (Maybe by Stoning) Women for Adultery and Kill Their Citizens in the street ?! Thank God for the US/Israel collaboration on the Stuxnet Worm. You think it was the “Dirty Work of the Israel Lobby” , the US acting out of a sense of acting out of a sense of guilt or as always, rightfully, in it’s own best interest, always and always will. Interesting “Victims” you picked, Shingo1.
Posted by: getreal22 | January 27, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I suspect you live in the US, Shingo1 where you're free to attempt to spread your "Big Lies" in Support of Iran,Hezbollah and Hamas where if you'd lived there and criticized them you'd have been dead "Blogs Ago" or at least "singing soprano" So Count Your Blessings
"Resident Liberal Bigot"

Posted by: getreal22 | February 18, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at people's short memories: the Palestinians were in negotiation with Olmert and Livni for years. Cast Lead brought the talks to an end (as well as Olmert's fall from grace). Despite the huge Palestinian concessions (revealed in the Palestnian Papers), nothing was ever enough for the Israeli camp, apparently.

Abbas is hesitant to go back to what are talks instead of a peace process, rather than talks as part of a peace process. He's right.

The whole UN resolution might be a bit moot soon anyway, as the EU is still talking about recognising Palestine by September. In this case, the US will have painted itself out of the picture.

Posted by: Outsider_1 | February 20, 2011 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at people's short memories: the Palestinians were in negotiation with Olmert and Livni for years. Cast Lead brought the talks to an end (as well as Olmert's fall from grace). Despite the huge Palestinian concessions (revealed in the Palestnian Papers), nothing was ever enough for the Israeli camp, apparently.

Abbas is hesitant to go back to what are talks instead of a peace process, rather than talks as part of a peace process. He's right.

The whole UN resolution might be a bit moot soon anyway, as the EU is still talking about recognising Palestine by September. In this case, the US will have painted itself out of the picture.

Posted by: Outsider_1 | February 20, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

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