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Kucinich Halts Impeachment Hunt Against Cheney

UPDATE, 3:45 p.m. ET: Kucinich now plans to hold his news conference announcing articles of impeachment against the vice president at 5 p.m. ET today. (Kucinich was in the Speaker's Lobby off the House chamber just moments ago personally handing out press releases announcing that the big event is back on.)

Let's hope Cheney doesn't have a dental appointment or anything between now and then!

Kucinich didn't think the Veep was healthy enough to be impeached earlier today (see below), but Cheney seemed sure looked robust when he made a rare appearance before the TV cameras following the Senate Republicans' weekly luncheon today, blasting Democrats for their "defeatism" on the Iraq War.

Original Post:

It appears Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) wants Vice President Dick Cheney in tip-top shape for those impeachment proceedings.

With the Veep making an unexpected visit to his doctor this morning to check the blood clot in his leg, Kucinich has delayed his gonzo plan to introduce articles of impeachment against the Veep.

Kucinich -- the darkest of dark-horse presidential candidates -- was scheduled to hold a noon news conference today, but his press secretary sent out an email to reporters marked "URGENT" with a headline in bold letter declaring: "Kucinich Postpones Press Conference in Wake of Today's Reports on the Vice President's Health."

"News reports this morning indicate the Vice President was experiencing a medical crisis. Until the Vice President's condition is clarified, I am placing any action on hold," Kucinich said in the statement.

Kucinich hasn't given any clues, but his dead-on-arrival impeachment plan most likely focuses on accusations that the vice president misled the United States into war with Iraq. While House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) and other Democratic leaders are talking about bringing an end to the Iraq War, they're cringing at talk of impeachment.

Kucinich appears undeterred by misgivings from his leadership, but other events have intervened. As the Sleuth exclusively reported, Kucinich initially planned to introduce articles of impeachment "with respect to the conduct of Vice President Cheney" last week. But that was before the massacre at Virginia Tech.

Now, it looks like Cheney's trip to the doctor will delay Kucinich's shot at getting a much-needed media blitz. (Kudos to Kucinich for his compassion! Only a vegan, only a vegan.)

By Mary Ann Akers  |  April 24, 2007; 2:15 PM ET
 
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Only Kucinich has the courage to talk about what needs to be done.
Prime Minister Cheney has lied to the American people about the war, committed war crimes and obstructed justice. What more does he need to do to deserve to be impeached?
Maybe a visit by Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: Roy | April 24, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt any member of the current executive branch would extend that type of courtesy. Good on Dennis for doing this.
I hope he does eventually get this out the door though.

Posted by: Matthew | April 24, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Another step towards forming the current Democratic Party into a clone of the McGovern campaign. I am predicting that if it becomes the Party of ANGER, it will duplicate 1972 and lose.

Posted by: John D. Froelich | April 24, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Win or lose, you cannot deny that 1972 was a watershed year for the Democratic Party. Just take a look at 1974.

Posted by: Win or Lose | April 24, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Cheney is friggin' awesome! Gotta love the guy. In fact, I wish he was President instead of George Bush. Oh and Kucinich is nothing short of a moron trying to boost his dead-on-arrival campaign for President.

Posted by: Kory | April 24, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

My only criticism of Kucinich is why did it take him so long. Cheney should have been impeached years ago, along with Bush.

Posted by: Olandug | April 24, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Why is holding the vice president to account "gonzo?" It seems to me gonzo to trust the vice president any farther than you could lob his bloated carcass. It was good manners to hold off on the impeachment demand until the vice president's health was better. After all, America is a lucky nation by most measures. Cheney could need surgery and die on the operating table. Or he could need his leg taken off, leading to painful and smelly post operative infections. Keep a good thought. Maybe impeachment will not be necessary. One can hope.

Posted by: Gabby Hayes | April 24, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

We will look back on Cheney's impeachment and say "why didn't we do it sooner?" Thank you Ohio for giving us Kucinich.

Posted by: Terry | April 24, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Vice president and the Jailed bush cabinet have made a joke of law and order.Mr.dick cheney-you know the vice president of the USA well you see his nephew ROBERT CHENEY from nebraska/old johanns mob well he has tryed to murder me to many times to list here.New kichen cabinet,He is a weather man on satellite/GPS/hollywood/ same old murder inc. with new faces.Beatle center UNL radation by wireless/partical warfare gama projections smart partical.So does attempted murder on opp hughes count for anything?.Why do you think hollywood trashed howard hughes? and took everything?.MONEY and POWER.BUSH covered this all up when he hide JOHANNS who tryed to off me with BAD cops and who marryed a satellite hollywood wife.

Posted by: Howard robard hughes IIV | April 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I've never understood why republicans hate mcgovern so much. Look at the alternative. If mcgovern had taken the white house, you could have avoided the embarrassment of nixon and the gop might be a viable party now with actual solutions to problems instead of snipers in every tree. McGovern was a war hero, you know. And a good and decent man who would have left the country much better off than nixon did. Don't dis mcgovern until you can justify watergate, vietnam, and nixon's many high crimes and misdemeanors. It just makes you look silly.

Posted by: gabby hayes | April 24, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is a kook. The fact that he delayed his headline grabbing, dead-on-arrival idea only shows that his kookiness is under control - perhaps the most dangerous kind of kook among all.

Posted by: Charles | April 24, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney should be imprisoned for his TREASONOUS outing of COVERT CIA OPERATIVE Valerie Plame Wilson, and the destruction of the Brewster Jennings covert operation that we, as tax payers, invested tens of millions of dollars in for National Security.

Posted by: JBE | April 24, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The last president did the same and was shut down remember?.The head of the CIA got busted dirty(DUTCH) who murdered my step Dad and best friend.TAKE away the power to parden 200 murders every 4-8 years.It cost about 300 million to buy the office of president/take the money out of it and don`t let the mob parden themself for murder or it`s all just a trilated joke.

Posted by: Howard robard hughes III | April 24, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Cheney is nothing but a puppet in zionists hands

Posted by: 1040 | April 24, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

The use of the word gonzo in a news article to describe a senator's push to finally bring Cheney to some kind of justice is just further proof of a biased media that gains as much from the war as Bush's and Cheney's pals in the oil and military contractors industry. Anybody that still thinks that Cheney is "awesome" and that this administration is deserving of support, is obviously unconcerned for the well being of our solders and about the wellfare of this country. To think that Clinton had a budget surplus, the US rating in the world was the highest it had been in decades, and because he had an extramarital affair everybody called for his impeachment...makes you wonder.

Posted by: Big Dave | April 24, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing "kooky" about Kucinich. What's wrong with opening an inquiry into the allegations that we have repeatedly heard over the past few years? If you like Cheney and think he did nothing wrong, there's nothing to worry about! Why shouldn't we take a more careful look?

Posted by: Nothing Kooky | April 24, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It's time Cheney was called to task for his part in wrecking our armed forces and body politic. The next tyrant given to dishonesty and palm-grease needs to get the message that the Constitution matters.

Posted by: Iris | April 24, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Imagine the last 6 years without Cheney; No 9-11, (treasonous scum), Better friends around the world, Less leverage for the Osamas of the world on winning converts, A genuine focus on homeland security, Billionaires with many less billions. Hmmm maybe four years instead of six. Trigger pullers deserve due process - nothing more.

Posted by: Jonathan VanDine | April 24, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Um, GONZO PLAN? Over 60% of people in the US want to impeach both Bush AND Cheney. The plan isn't gonzo, it's wonderful!

Posted by: Iridius Izzarne | April 24, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Everything this man has done for his tenure as vice ding-dong has been on the edge of impeachment. It would be more difficult to find reasons to not pursue impeaching him. Go Kucinich!

Posted by: George | April 24, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Good idea to hold off announcing impeachment.
Hope Kucinich keeps his word. Impeach Cheney
first, then Bush and the rest of them. They all need to be put in jail. Maybe guantanamo.

Posted by: Steve | April 24, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for the people Kucinich represents. He is a moron trying to say what the extream left wants to hear. Maybe he get advise from Rosie. Hilary just love it.

Posted by: Bill | April 24, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately the rest of the DemoCANTS lack the political fortitude to impeach any Republibrats. How can they possibly lead the nation forward if they are too scared to take on Dick & Bush?

Posted by: JessicaNaomi | April 24, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich, being bankrupt of ideas, is on a witch hunt. Since he doesn't have the votes to back it up, this whole thing is a pointless charade for the benefit of the press anyway.

Posted by: Killer of Giants | April 24, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Cheney should look into having that leg amputated. He could then replace it with a machine gun leg - like the one in the movie Grindhouse. It would come in handy the next time he goes to Baghdad, and may make Congress think twice about impeaching him.

Posted by: James | April 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe everyone needs to revisit what's happening in Vermont. The grassroots movement there managed to get a non-binding resolution to pass. Maybe, just maybe, we could give the Vermonters some teeth and email our support for the movement so they'll pass a binding resolution that will actually get sent to the House of Reps in D.C.

Posted by: Newman | April 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

A comment to Nothing Kooky: I have a suspicion that you rape babies. I have heard this allegation over the years about you. Do you mind if I open a case into this allegation? If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear.

Posted by: Joe | April 24, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Some of you need to wake up and do a little more research on your topic. No were is there a list of criminal actions by this man and the postion he holds.. Now I will give you that you may not agree to his politics or actions but that does not get you impeached. This is politics nothing more... and simple minded people who follow him like sheep will be the onces to blame when China has taken over as the world power instead of this great country of the USA.... Start thinking BIG piture people!

Posted by: Wake Up | April 24, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

The powers that be, that force us to live in terror, bring me to my knees when I think of what they did to Bill Clinton.

Posted by: Kyle | April 24, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

ARTICLE I. FAILURE TO PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION

In violation of the oath of office, which reads: `I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States', George Walker Bush, in his conduct while President of the United States has demonstrated a pattern of abuse of office and of executive privilege, and disregard for the Constitution itself.

This conduct includes the following:

Manipulating Intelligence and Lying To Justify War

In violation of the separation of powers under the Constitution and his subsequent obligation to share intelligence with the Congress, George Walker Bush, while serving as President of the United States of America, in preparing the invasion of Iraq, did withhold intelligence from the Congress, by refusing to provide Congress with the full intelligence picture that he was being given, by redacting information by, for example, removing portions of reports such as the August 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Brief, and actively manipulating the intelligence on Iraq's alleged weapons programs by pressuring the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies to provide intelligence such that `the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy' as revealed in the `Downing Street Memo'. To this end, President George Walker Bush and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld created the Office of Special Plans inside the Pentagon to override existing intelligence reports by providing unreliable evidence that supported the claim that Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction posed an imminent threat to the United States of America. By justifying the invasion of Iraq with false and misleading statements linking Iraq to the attacks of September 11, 2001, and falsely asserting that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program for which it was importing aluminum tubes and uranium, these assertions being either false, or based on `fixed' intelligence, with the intent to misinform the people and their representatives in Congress in order to gain their support for invading Iraq, denying both the people and their representatives in Congress the right to make an informed choice, George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America.

ARTICLE II. ABUSE OF OFFICE AND OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE

In violation of his oath to `faithfully execute the office of President of the United States', George Walker Bush, in his conduct while President of the United States, has consistently demonstrated disregard for that oath by obstructing and hindering the work of Congressional investigative bodies and by seeking to expand the scope of the powers of his office.

This conduct includes the following:

Failure To Uphold Accountability

In abrogation of his responsibility under the oath of office to take care that the Laws be faithfully executed, by which he agreed to act in good faith and accept responsibility for the overall conduct of the Executive Branch, a duty vested in his office alone under the Constitution, George Walker Bush, failed to take responsibility for, investigate or discipline those responsible for an ongoing pattern of negligence, incompetence and malfeasance to the detriment of the American people.

Those whom George Walker Bush, as President of the United States of America, has failed to hold to account include but are not limited to the following top-level officials in his administration:

(a) RICHARD CHENEY- In violation of his oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, Richard Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, played a key role in manipulating intelligence in the interest of promoting the illegal invasion of Iraq by pressuring analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency to `fix' their intelligence estimates of the danger posed by Iraq in relation to weapons of mass destruction, whereby Richard Cheney, Vice President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America.

(b) CONDOLEEZZA RICE- In violation of her Constitutional duty to share and provide accurate and truthful intelligence information with the Congress, as former National Security Advisor to the President, did play a leading role in deceiving Congress and the American public by repeating and propagating false statements concerning Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction program, including false information that the purchase of aluminum tubes demonstrated that Iraq was pursuing a nuclear weapons program, false information that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium and false information that Iraq sought help in developing a chemical and biological weapons program; whereby Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State of the United States of America, did commit and was guilty of high misdemeanors against the United States of America.

By neglecting to superintend the conduct of these officials and to hold members of the Executive Branch responsible for their negligence or violations of law, George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high misdemeanors against the United States of America.

Wherefore, by their aforementioned conduct, George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney, and Condoleezza Rice warrant impeachment, trial, and removal from office.

ARTICLE III. FAILURE TO ENSURE THE LAWS ARE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED

In violation of his duty under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States of America to `take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed', George Walker Bush, during his tenure as President of the United States, has violated the letter and spirit of laws and rules of criminal procedure used by civilian and military courts, and has violated or ignored regulatory codes and practices that carry out the law.

This conduct includes the following:

Illegal Domestic Spying

In violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) [50 U.S.C. Chapter 36], George Walker Bush did clandestinely direct the National Security Agency and various other intelligence agencies, in secret and outside the lawful scope of their mandates, for purposes unrelated to any lawful function of his offices, to conduct electronic surveillance of citizens of the United States on U.S. soil without seeking to obtain, before or after, a judicial warrant, thereby subverting the powers of the Congress and the Judiciary by circumventing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) courts established by Congress, whose express purpose is to check such abuses of executive power, provoking the presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to file a complaint and another judge to resign in protest, the said program having been subsequently ruled illegal (ACLU vs. NSA); he has also concealed the existence of this unlawful program of spying on American citizens from the people and all but a few of their representatives in Congress, even resorting to outright public deceit as on April 20, 2004, when he told an audience in Buffalo, New York: `any time you hear the United States Government talking about wiretap, it requires . . . a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so', whereby said George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America.

In all of this, George Walker Bush has repeatedly and unapologetically misled the American people and has sought to undermine the system of checks and balances established by the Founding Fathers. Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, and in the interest of saving our Constitution and our democracy from the threat of arbitrary government, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

Posted by: Rick | April 24, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

ARTICLE I. FAILURE TO PRESERVE, PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION

In violation of the oath of office, which reads: `I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States', George Walker Bush, in his conduct while President of the United States has demonstrated a pattern of abuse of office and of executive privilege, and disregard for the Constitution itself.

This conduct includes the following:

Manipulating Intelligence and Lying To Justify War

In violation of the separation of powers under the Constitution and his subsequent obligation to share intelligence with the Congress, George Walker Bush, while serving as President of the United States of America, in preparing the invasion of Iraq, did withhold intelligence from the Congress, by refusing to provide Congress with the full intelligence picture that he was being given, by redacting information by, for example, removing portions of reports such as the August 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Brief, and actively manipulating the intelligence on Iraq's alleged weapons programs by pressuring the Central Intelligence Agency and other intelligence agencies to provide intelligence such that `the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy' as revealed in the `Downing Street Memo'. To this end, President George Walker Bush and Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld created the Office of Special Plans inside the Pentagon to override existing intelligence reports by providing unreliable evidence that supported the claim that Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction posed an imminent threat to the United States of America. By justifying the invasion of Iraq with false and misleading statements linking Iraq to the attacks of September 11, 2001, and falsely asserting that Iraq had a nuclear weapons program for which it was importing aluminum tubes and uranium, these assertions being either false, or based on `fixed' intelligence, with the intent to misinform the people and their representatives in Congress in order to gain their support for invading Iraq, denying both the people and their representatives in Congress the right to make an informed choice, George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America.

ARTICLE II. ABUSE OF OFFICE AND OF EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE

In violation of his oath to `faithfully execute the office of President of the United States', George Walker Bush, in his conduct while President of the United States, has consistently demonstrated disregard for that oath by obstructing and hindering the work of Congressional investigative bodies and by seeking to expand the scope of the powers of his office.

This conduct includes the following:

Failure To Uphold Accountability

In abrogation of his responsibility under the oath of office to take care that the Laws be faithfully executed, by which he agreed to act in good faith and accept responsibility for the overall conduct of the Executive Branch, a duty vested in his office alone under the Constitution, George Walker Bush, failed to take responsibility for, investigate or discipline those responsible for an ongoing pattern of negligence, incompetence and malfeasance to the detriment of the American people.

Those whom George Walker Bush, as President of the United States of America, has failed to hold to account include but are not limited to the following top-level officials in his administration:

(a) RICHARD CHENEY- In violation of his oath of office to support and defend the Constitution, Richard Cheney, Vice President of the United States of America, played a key role in manipulating intelligence in the interest of promoting the illegal invasion of Iraq by pressuring analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency to `fix' their intelligence estimates of the danger posed by Iraq in relation to weapons of mass destruction, whereby Richard Cheney, Vice President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America.

(b) CONDOLEEZZA RICE- In violation of her Constitutional duty to share and provide accurate and truthful intelligence information with the Congress, as former National Security Advisor to the President, did play a leading role in deceiving Congress and the American public by repeating and propagating false statements concerning Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction program, including false information that the purchase of aluminum tubes demonstrated that Iraq was pursuing a nuclear weapons program, false information that Iraq was seeking to purchase uranium and false information that Iraq sought help in developing a chemical and biological weapons program; whereby Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State of the United States of America, did commit and was guilty of high misdemeanors against the United States of America.

By neglecting to superintend the conduct of these officials and to hold members of the Executive Branch responsible for their negligence or violations of law, George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high misdemeanors against the United States of America.

Wherefore, by their aforementioned conduct, George Walker Bush, Richard Cheney, and Condoleezza Rice warrant impeachment, trial, and removal from office.

ARTICLE III. FAILURE TO ENSURE THE LAWS ARE FAITHFULLY EXECUTED

In violation of his duty under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution of the United States of America to `take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed', George Walker Bush, during his tenure as President of the United States, has violated the letter and spirit of laws and rules of criminal procedure used by civilian and military courts, and has violated or ignored regulatory codes and practices that carry out the law.

This conduct includes the following:

Illegal Domestic Spying

In violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) [50 U.S.C. Chapter 36], George Walker Bush did clandestinely direct the National Security Agency and various other intelligence agencies, in secret and outside the lawful scope of their mandates, for purposes unrelated to any lawful function of his offices, to conduct electronic surveillance of citizens of the United States on U.S. soil without seeking to obtain, before or after, a judicial warrant, thereby subverting the powers of the Congress and the Judiciary by circumventing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) courts established by Congress, whose express purpose is to check such abuses of executive power, provoking the presiding judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to file a complaint and another judge to resign in protest, the said program having been subsequently ruled illegal (ACLU vs. NSA); he has also concealed the existence of this unlawful program of spying on American citizens from the people and all but a few of their representatives in Congress, even resorting to outright public deceit as on April 20, 2004, when he told an audience in Buffalo, New York: `any time you hear the United States Government talking about wiretap, it requires . . . a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so', whereby said George Walker Bush, President of the United States, did commit and was guilty of high crimes against the United States of America.

In all of this, George Walker Bush has repeatedly and unapologetically misled the American people and has sought to undermine the system of checks and balances established by the Founding Fathers. Wherefore George Walker Bush, by such conduct, and in the interest of saving our Constitution and our democracy from the threat of arbitrary government, warrants impeachment and trial, and removal from office.

Posted by: Rick | April 24, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I concur with Rep. Kucinich and applaud his independent thought and actions.
He is an honourable representative of his electorate.

New Hampshire is listening.

Posted by: Hal | April 24, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hit him while he's down. I am dissapointed that the Dems are not placing high priority on impeachment....according to them working on a bill that will for sure get veto'd is more important than locking up criminals.

Posted by: Jelkins | April 24, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that the Democratic "leaders" are talking about ending the war? Because of the persistent and principled calls for such from members of the progressive caucus such as Rep. Kucinich.

Solid majorities of Americans have been calling for just this sort of accounting -- remember government corruption and scandal actually topped Iraq in exit polls as reasons why the Republicans suffered such a stupendous defeat. There is nothing "gonzo" about this plan, and mainstream media bleating about it being DOA are more wishful thinking than reportage.

Posted by: Ed Brolin | April 24, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if it's God that or Kucinich that takes Cheney out of office as long as he is removed. Anyone that still has any faith in Bush & Co. deserves the title of dumb American (which the world has already labeled us with).

Posted by: Mark | April 24, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

No one brings up the 433,333 shares of Haliburton stock Chaney has. Does anyone know!

Posted by: Wayne | April 24, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Only a vegan, only a vegan" ??? What the hell does that mean? I eat meat (albeit free range), and I think Kucinich is too far to the left for my taste, by what does his veganism have to do with any of this, and why are you belittling him for his personal choices? I find that very offensive.

Posted by: Fred Flaherty | April 24, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Why has the establishment media decided, in a secret meeting with itself, to file Bush/Cheney impeachment talk under "fringe movement madness" (see also "giggle" and "gonzo"). Why are articles of impeachment automatically a dismissably funny idea? From a straight-ahead, sober Constitutional standpoint, I think they are at least as appropriate here as in 1973-74 and way more appropriate than in 1998. So I wish the trend-makers at The Washington Post wouldn't relegate the idea to the Kooky Korner, where it keeps UFOs and Bigfoot talk. This is dead serious, and not funny. Don't call it "gonzo."

Posted by: TomF | April 24, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich has a lot to learn from Cheney, who would show no mercy if the tables were turned.

Posted by: TiminLA | April 24, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Why did you call it a "hunt"? I thought Cheney was the "hunter."

Viva Kucinich - on with it!

Meanwhile, a complete reinvestigation into the Ohio elections and whether the deleted White House emails through the RNC servers were part of the cover-up to get Bush to stay in office.

7 years of illegitimacy and too many dead.

Posted by: Slugbug | April 24, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Ms Sleuth for breaking down the invisible barrier WaPo seems to have erected between its staff and any mention of impeachment. Will cheney be impeached? No. Does he deserve censure? Yes. Is Kucinich a kook? Let the people that are calling him that try to do his job for a day. Is Kucinich a Fringe Democrat? Perhaps, but he's also courageous and principled, and a better Congressman than any of the SNRTS [Society for Neocon Republican Toadies and Sycophants] members still trying to prop up a failed president and a failed civil war bloodbath. Good for ya, Dennis.

Posted by: Arcadian | April 24, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

As someone who works a professional job in Cleveland, all a reporter would have to do to end Kucinich's campaign for president is to stand in front of him and ask "Mr. Kucinich, would you be proud to do for America what you have done for Cleveland?" That's it. Any answer he gives will be stocked full of self-incriminating sound bytes his opponents could play over and over if they needed to.

Cleveland is the poorest large city in America, as all the wealth is leaving due to Kucinich and allies' ridiculous ideas on economic development, which involve taxing the rich until they're not rich anymore and making labor unions as powerful as possible. I'm not even a republican, and even I believe it's obvious that State and Local tax rates need to be low or non-existent to keep businesses and wealth from being sucked into Texas and Florida from Ohio and Michigan for that very same reason.

Oh, and BET just ranked Cleveland dead last among large American cities in terms of "best cities for African Americans." So much for his completely patronizing ideas of what makes black people happy. I, for one, can sadly report that it's not any better for whites!

In conclusion, I would just like to add that Dennis Kucinich is one of that ever expanding group of politicians from both sides of the isle who would fail miserably at any professional job in which they were held accountable for results.

Every time he says a word I throw up in my mouth a little bit and my ears start bleeding. Thank you.

Posted by: Richard | April 24, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Misled" is the correct spelling, Ms. Akers.

"Misled."

Posted by: Mesrey | April 24, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

You know, I'd be willing to bet that the same people who post wishing the Vice President harm probably also are upset that partial birth abortion is still illegal. It makes me wonder... Anywho, as for Kucinich's plan to impeach the Veep, ( and I'm sure he has one for the president, too), the only "courage" I can see is that he is giving voice to a thought/movement where most Dems are too timid to do so and that is essentially a coup by impeachment. If he wants to start at Vice President, let him. At Pelosi's swearing in ceremony, I can see it now, the President approaches the podium, smiles, and says "Madam Vice President... you're fired."

Posted by: 1234 | April 24, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Gonzo? GONZO????This editorial is gonzo! The president and the vice president lied us into a war of aggression on a sovereign nation. That war has cost us the lives of thousands of our most valuable citizens, and there is no end, nor any achievable objective in sight. They are responsible for spying on US citizens illegally, and for using torture on prisoners. Impeachment is long, long overdue!

Posted by: Arjuna | April 24, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rick, get on your meds. Hey Libs, get over it already, Bush and his team will be in office until 1-20-09. You have over a year to present someone to replace the crew you hate. I suspect we'll get Billary and her team which seems a lot like the current administration, liars cheats and swindlers. I hope we don't have another administration that is attacked from the other side of American Politics. Perhaps we can all cheer for ONE TEAM, the USA.

Posted by: Republican | April 24, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

You wonder if Rove had any way of planning this as a smokescreen to delay it further. In any event, he doesn't deserve the courtesy or compassion.

Posted by: Joe | April 24, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Outstanding! Finally someone at least utters the "I" word without fear.
Never in any business, any governmental, military or any other institution has anyone been so deceiving and incompetent as this man.
He couldn't wait to have this war. He wanted the sole superwar to invade other countries and make them be like he wanted them to be. He miscalculated and young kids are dying..
He thought it would be over quick and we, the unwashed, the slightly intelligent, we the little people, would never notice how and why it was done, but when it happened, we the little people began to wake up and READ.
Like any job, when someone proves themselves so incompetent, they simply need to be replaced. Isn't that in the most conservative of traditions?

Posted by: John | April 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Dennis, you have my support. Impeach away!

Posted by: narc | April 24, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Of course you all know that the Veep is only feighning illness so that he'd be conveniently unavailable for comment when Kucinich brought the articles of impeachment, which will no doubt catch some media interest.

Is it really so "gonzo" to hold Mr. Go Bleep Yourself sharpshooter Dick accountable?

Posted by: Dale | April 24, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

The moderates in America want Cheney and his criminal NeoCon friends impeached.

Shame on the Washington Post for not taking seriously the viewpoints of the majority of the American People, once again.

Posted by: Cheney Loves To Steal Tax Dollars | April 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I take exception to the use of "gonzo" in your description of Rep. Kucinich's long-overdue attempt to bring Cheney to account. Cheney -- and Bush, and the rest of their crew -- need to be impeached, removed from office, and charged with the war crimes they have committed. That will begin to repair the damage they have committed, although it still won't deal with the assumptions and habits of mind their crimes, and those of their predecessors, grew out of.

We know the mainstream media are prejudiced. You don't need to remind us of it.

Posted by: J. X. Rodríguez | April 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I am so confused.
Why is Cheney being impeached?
Did he get a blow job too or he being impeached for some real reasons like lying, violating the Constitution, helping to start an illegal war and shooting old men in the face!

Posted by: Bob P. | April 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Joe,

Could you at least use an analogy that works? You lose your arguement with such an extreme and illogical example.

Posted by: Lisa | April 24, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Come on Dennis! Hit em while he's down! Do you think that it would stop him?

Posted by: Elkins | April 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

So many have been sacrificed.

Posted by: Luke | April 24, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

We are ONE TEAM- USA, that's why we want the criminal activities prosecuted.

Posted by: MikeGA | April 24, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich murderd my pussy cat two months ago. His Prius hit it in front of my house and he stopped went back and stomped it's head in to make sure it was dead. Bastard!

Posted by: Gonzo Journalist HST | April 24, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Any true patriotic American of any political persuasion (except fascists) are now grieving for the tremendous damage that's been done to our beloved country by this current administration.

Can't anyone even think anymore?

Who cares who brings this forward (in logic, for those strangers to the that way of thinking, it is a fallacy called "ad hominem")? I guess only those who can't respond to the substance and can only resort to ad hominem logical fallacies, that emotionally attack the messenger and ignore the substance of the message.

Go ahead, make snarky little comments (both in the posts and in our dear Mary Ann's main piece where she pejoratively called the move "gonzo") -- it makes me feel young again and reminds me of 1st grade -- no, kindergarten. But us adults who care about this country and what it stands for -- of all political stripes, from Lee Ioccoca (you know, the big leftie he is, right) to retired generals -- will continue to apply logic and reason to evaluate the facts and take appropriate, lawful, constitutional action when we are threatened from within. Yes, that approach has seemed to have gone out of style in reent times, since the '94 "Republican Revolution, as self-styled revolutionary fanatics throughout history always proceed in that fashion. If the party says 2+2 = 22, then it is (an old Abbott and Costello routine). Well, the American people are not Lou freakin' Costello, but you guys (and girls) are Bud Abbott.. I bet if there was some tragic mass shooting at a school, they'd be out the next day, shamelessly using their deaths to pound their chests and screeching with the same congency as a gorilla about why this is the liberals fault because if only every student and teacher had a gun, there'd be less death. Actually, that just happened, didn't it? Ah, yes, and didn't Pat Robertson do the same after Sept 11 '06, when he blamed liberals, gays, and the ACLU. Us true patriots wish you all would realize we're all Americans who love our country, and that you'd stop being so devisive at every single darn turn, and join us to protect what we should all feel is what makes this country special in all human history.

Posted by: Publius | April 24, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

the horror!!!!the horror!!!!the state of ohio should whipe their collective back ends, with their one square allotment, of "dennis the mennis", and for the rest of you pesky problem folks, maybe two or three sheets will suffice...just what we need to be spending our hard earned moneys on, more frivolous litigation,...you idiots...this does not make for a strong nation...what about politics don't you understand...IT IS ALL DIRTY...ask vincent foster, white water, watergate, teapot dome ad nauseum...so quit spending my money telling me what i already know and lets change the players at election time...in the mean time
stop enhaling and pass the cigars...

Posted by: kb | April 24, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Congress should impeach Bush and stay in Iraq until the job is done -- not cut and run and leave our administration in office.

Posted by: Josh M | April 24, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

As a native Clevelander, I am embarassed to say Mr. Kucinich is from my once great city. As an earlier post mentioned, Cleveland is the poorest city in America, scores of companies, jobs and people have fled the city on Mr. Kucinich's watch. But instead of working to improve the lives of his Cleveland neighbors, Mr. Kucinich goes off on wild tangents like impeachment that his own party will never give the light of day. Meanwhile, Cleveland continues to decline and decay. Thanks Dennis.

Posted by: Rich | April 24, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Truth in politics is a suit worn out of the convenience of circumstance as both parties have proven time and time again. If you trust one side or the other, you're a bigger fool than the wearer of the suit.

Posted by: Tyler | April 24, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Mary Ann Akers has written a gonzo post. It would be rather gonzo to think that a main architect of the Iraq war, built on lies and deception, shouldn't be impeached. Only someone with the utmost gonzo of views would believe that Cheney deserves to remain in office. And Akers demonization of Kucinich for being a vegan is nothing short of gonzo in the extreme. I suppose when your case against someone is gonzo, you have to resort to underhanded gonzo tactics to win an argument.

Posted by: Mister Y | April 24, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Mary Ann Akers and other Empire-lovers are using the "dead-on-arrival" mind trick. We are not falling for that. We are pissed off. Impeach the traitor before he attacks us again.

http://www.slopart.com/kucinich.html

Posted by: Brian Reeves | April 24, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

VP Cheney shot his 80 year old friend in the face. Need I say more? Okay...

1) Government Contracts Awarded to Halliburton- of which he retained an significant financial interest- Conflict of Interest. This alone should be enough. Concrete absolute facts. These cannot be disputed. I won't even indulge what the outcome of these governmental contracts were...we all remember, gross mismanagement, lost untraceable money, failed services, dilapatated bathrooms, falling ceilings leaking human excriment etc....

2)Disclosing Classified Information- he leaked the identity of Valerie Plame- who coincidentally is pretty hot- and later shoved it all off on "Scooter". Bye-bye Scooter bye-bye.

Posted by: elliott | April 24, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

All of you Dipwad Dems and Libs need to purchase a one way ticket to another country and get the hell out of the USA!!...You have got to be the biggest bunch of idiots walking, clueless!!...You and your Parties are the cause of ruin in this Country, your just too dumb to see it...Hammerheads!

Posted by: Kevin | April 24, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Ilove reading all the hatefull comments that come from democrats.. It just proves they are completly devoid of any ideas that will lead in any type of positive direction..Go ahead and make my day and try the impeacment..bunch of hatemongers, anti-US, pro-terrorist, communist, butt munchers.

Posted by: justin | April 24, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

They didn't impeach Sadaam for his "crimes against humanity.' They hung him with a big rock tied to his feet and it almost ripped off his head. When you say no impeachment, maybe you are thinking of other options...

Posted by: batrhyme | April 24, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

After reading the absurb comments on this page, I believe it is true we have lost the war. I'm looking in to converting to Islam asap as I want to be on the winning side in the comming World Caliphate!! During WWII we had the same kind of naive opposition only then it was Republicans opposed to FDR and later Truman. Same folks are now democrats!! Hope they all enjoy their burkas and beards!

Posted by: memcom | April 24, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Dennis Kucinich is the PERFECT poster child of the modern Democrat party. A bunch of left-wing lunatics that have all but destroyed the political process of this country with thier endless and baseless charges and slander.

They have committed treason during this war and should be held accountable for giving comfort to the enemy by their actions and their words...all in an attempt to regain power.

From Dick Durbin calling our troops Nazis, to Kerry saying that our troops kill innocent women and children in the dead of night, to Kennedy saying that Hussein ran prisons better then the US, to the latest outrageous statement of Harry Reid saying the war is lost. All these statements, from Democrats, have done nothing but give comfort to and embolden our enemies. This is treason defined.

s4c

Posted by: s4c | April 24, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Just to get things real clear for the "sides" players out there... I am a conservative, and a Republican. There is NOTHING extreme, or "left" about being disgusted with this lying, absolutely double faced administration, and their not very hidden agendas. Conservatives, you need to WAKE UP! These crooks are not your ilk. TRUE conservatives are TRUTHFUL!

Cheney is plenty healthy to face these charges, unless you count cowardess as a disease.

Posted by: Jay | April 24, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The combined IQ of this thread does not rise to the level of my shoe size. All of you seem to only believe drivel spoon fed by Dems or far left Liberals. If you would spend less time whining, and a little more learning about our history, and the actual truth about current events, then you might be qualified to speak publicly about such matters.

Bob

Posted by: Bob | April 24, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

this "lib" is quite proud (discerned from neocon arrogant) to bear the label, to generally support a party that evidences the cooperative spirit that has been eviscerated by the "uniter, not a divider" who acts with the reckless abandon of "the decider." i have passed the point of tolerance when it comes to what passes as our domestic political discourse. i will no longer observe in silence the shrill screeds of the neocon zealots whose pedantic prattles never miss a chance to tell me what i think and why and incessantly rant that because i am a democrat and find team shrub's offenses beyond mere folly that i am treasonous and unamerican. very few of these insipid instigators have any military service and i dont recall most of them during my military tour in iraq. my service is to my nation, as was that of my brother who died in that service. i will no longer tolerate in silence the insults of these keyboard kommandos whose specious allegiance to the gop has riven our cultural fabric and legal foundation to a point that i doubt i see again the nation in which i grew up. how dare they???
i swore to uphold and defend our constitution, but daily am convinced the most vicious and damaging attacks are from the charlatans of W who have yet found an individual liberty they liked. their goal is to force me to accept the drivel of sophistry from the spin machines so that i will be compelled to publicly worship their vision of a deity and dare not cast criticism toward them.

why do they hate america so much?

Posted by: charles | April 24, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Thank God these cowards of the Democrat party were not in power during WWII. Could you imagine: Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Harry Reid, Dick Durbin, John Murtha, Dennis Kucinich...the list literally could go on forever.

Could you even begin to imagine what would have happened had these traitors, and American haters, been in power during WWII? I would be writing the is German or Japanese had these "Americans" been in power then. Truly sad indeed.

s4c

Posted by: s4c | April 24, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

They outed a CIA Agent so they should not have security clearance and they should not be in office or be able to ever hold any position that requires a security clearance. Besides the fact there are millions other reasons they should be impeached like if they veto the bill to bring the troops home we should impeach them both and bring the troops home ourselves.

Posted by: Robert Malone | April 24, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Why stop there? Good or bad legs, I wish Kucinith would also include Bush in the impeachment plan. They both lied and conspired for their war, having sent many Americans and non-American innocents to their deaths or disabled lives.

Posted by: Doug | April 24, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

YEAH! It's about time!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Lee Nelson | April 24, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Kucinich for doing what should have been done years ago. Cheney and Bush have committed one crime after another and hold the Constitution in obvious disdain. Why are so many people afraid of holding the Executive branch accountable for all their lies, corruption and incompetance, and all the resulting death and fear they've caused? We are supposed to have a system of checks and balances - thank you Kucinich for fighting back. (ps - only a vegan? Please. How about only a patriot?)

Posted by: Dave Robinson | April 24, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I like how the post before me calls democrats cowards when it says posted by s4c so who is coward the person who does not even list their name. Bush is the one that botch this war not the democrats. Bush and Cheney are the draft dodgers so they are the real cowards

Posted by: Robert Malone | April 24, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Snark away, Mary Ann, but there are plenty of reasons to believe that Cheney has committed more impeachable crimes and offenses than Nixon, let alone Agnew. I applaud Kucinich for saying so and hope very much that serious reporters at The Post will follow this matter carefully. You may not think Kucinich is "cool" enough to warrant fair treatment of his proposal--you should Google "Ad hominem."

Posted by: New York, NY | April 24, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hello Charles, I did try to read your post but...ouch! Two words my friend:

Sentence Structure

Go to school and learn about things like structure, starting a sentence with a CAPITAL letter...etc...etc

Im not sure what you wrote, nor do I know if I agree with you or not. Though it would "appear" that through all that mess you are a democrat....but who can understand it?

s4c

Posted by: s4c | April 24, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Trying to impeach Cheney for doing his job is insane and a waste of time and money. I cannot wait for 2008. The Dems are showing so much ineptness that I predict the House and Senate will go back to the Republicans and if Thompson runs, the White House will be Republican too. Keep it up, you guys are sealing your own fates.

Posted by: Dave | April 24, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

In case you haven't noticed, Cheney is a clone puppet under the control of Greys. They're still mad we never landed on the Moon so they assassinated Kennedy from the Grassy Knoll and were responsible for Katrina. But all that aside, we should have more media press on Sanjaya and Nicole Richie, like, where has all the real news gone?

Posted by: Kevin | April 24, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The only people who can call the democrats cowards are the people over there fighting this war. If you are for this war and you are not over there fighting this war then you are a coward for not fighting for what you believe in.

Posted by: Robert Malone | April 24, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a particular fan of Kucinich, but was heartened when I heard of his plans this morning. Articles of Impeachment for both the Vice-President and President are long overdue. And as I'm not particularly a conspiracy nut either, it pains me to think that Cheney's "unscheduled" trip to the hospital was too coincidental not to have been made just to avoid Kucinich's announced plan.

Posted by: Cadred Maine | April 24, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

This S4c guy called Jack Murtha a coward when Murtha's whole family fought in ww2 and Murtha fought in Korea and in Vietnam. This S42 guy better have fought in a war to call a war hero a coward.

Posted by: Robert Malone | April 24, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Kucinich has ZERO respect even amongst most Democrats. He is as about as much of an outsider in our political process as I, and I'm not even an elected official.

This guy is a left-wing nut that only a handful of American-Haters listen to. His "impeachemnt" charges are nothing more than an opportunity for a goofy little coward, and traitor, to try and get a little bit of National attention...it is nothing more than that. His baseless claims and outrageous conspiracy theories may be the new model of the democratic party, but they carry zero weight in the real-world American politic.

s4c

oh..my name is:
Souldier 4 Christ.
Someone asked...there ya go.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Comparisons with Clinton here have been off-the-mark and uninformed. It is entirely plausible that Clinton perjured himself and suborned perjury. Actually, it's pretty implausible that he didn't do so.

Now, perjury is a crime. (So is workplace sexual harassment, but that wasn't in the articles of impeachment.) This particular perjury was a crime intended to cover up adultery, and Oval Office Adultery is no business of the public unless the girlfriend turns out to be a Chinese mole or a sleeper assassin or something of that sort, or unless it results in exposing the President to blackmail. Those, of course, would be public concerns, but they fortunately didn't apply in this case.

But perjury to cover up anything is still perjury. A president should be subject to the same punishment as any citizen under such circumstances. A citizen would be jailed, would lose his law license, and might lose his job if the matter impeded his ability conduct it.

So, what should have happened to Clinton? Well, some jail time, loss of license. But impeachment?

Well, impeachment is not a judicial process in the strictest sense, but a political one: Look who brings the charges, and who judges them. (House and Senate, respectively, with the Chief Justice as chaperone.)

It is intended for "high crimes and misdemeanors." I think all agree Clinton's perjury was not a high crime. It was quite plausibly a misdemeanor, however. Which is exactly the kind of gray area intended for political resolution in such a political process. It was up to the (Republican) Congress whether to impeach: It was their political decision.

They opted to impeach. I wouldn't have done so myself: The misdemeanor didn't really affect his job performance noticably, even though it was morally wrong, compulsively risky behavior, and rather tacky. But as I noted above, a citizen MIGHT lose his job over a perjury if he were convicted of perjury, or he might not. In this case, I'd lean toward the "might not."

Still and all, justice was not done: A perjuring president should have, on leaving office, been off to jail for the usual period. It would have been no great hardship, given the security arrangements and the type of facility he'd have been in. And it would have illustrated the point that no man is above the law.

Instead, we have the worst of all worlds: An impeachment which, looking back, was mostly payback for the Clarence Thomas hearings, followed out of pique; no subsequent prosecution (made impractical by the uproar of the impeachment) or jail term which could have served as a civics lesson to the whole world; and, here, dishonest bloggers pretending, for their own rhetorical purposes, that Clinton was impeached for the one thing he wasn't actually impeached for; namely, nailing a butterball.

By all means, carry on with impeachment against Bush/Cheney (absolutely unwinnable in terms of evidence available, which wouldn't be sufficent to get an indictment in county court) and pursue a politically unwise course out of pique, as the GOP did last decade. Knock yourselves out.

But at least be accurate about drawing comparisons. There are far better arguments to be made, than Reductio Ad Clintonum.

Posted by: SoberedByTheNews | April 24, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rick, get on your meds....
Posted by: Republican | April 24, 2007 03:40 PM

Hey Republican, I would except I can no longer afford them since you, your party and your lying leader sold us out to the health care lobbyists.

Rick for Impeachment

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Rober Malone, I am a retired veteran of 23 years of military service. Just because Murtha served does NOT give him a blank check to NOW be a traitor to his country. Benedict Arnold served honorably as well...right up to the second he betrayed his country.

You cant say and do things that give comfort to your countries enemies. No matter your political view, you do NOT have the right to embolden our enemies through words. This is treason my friend. From Pelosi undermining our policies with Syria, and all the other things I mentioned previous posts...you CANT do this during a war!

It is why we have the laws of treason!

Only a true left-wing luntic idiot would believe all these CRAZY conspircy theories. My God listen to yourselves!!! The dems are destroying this country all for the purpose of gaining power...and you guys just add to the problem...by believeing EVERYTHING you read in our LIBERAL soaked news-papers.

History lesson: Nazi Germany took power this exact same way! They took the press...then the political system...then the education system. Most Americans believe whatever the hell they read. They dont question it...they just believe it! The liberal lunatics know this and they have expoited the ignorance of the American people. It is craziness!

S4C

Posted by: s4c | April 24, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The comments here demonstrate the polarization of attitudes into camps who will never agree.

Maybe we can all agree on one thing: political leaders and their parties are quite imperfect. And anyone who places their faith in a man or a party to somehow solve all the country's probelms will only be disappointed.

Posted by: Observer | April 24, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This thread is astonishing in its lack of real insight. It seems that the primary rhetorical device used by both sides of the argument is name calling. Such is the state of public discourse. What does that say about us as a people?

Posted by: BuffaloBob | April 24, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is doing the right thing in impeaching Cheney first. He is the architect of the policies of this administration, which are destroying our military as well as our strategic alliances worldwide. He is also the author of its worse than Nixon abuses of power, along with Bush's Svengali, Karl Rove. It is simply a deliberate lie and obfuscation to characterize the pro-impeachent sentiment as wild eyed liberal revenge for Democratic Clinton supporters. Are Chuck Hagel, Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, four star General William Odom(ret), and John Dean considered liberal? They are war heroes or former Nixon/Reagan officials. I don't think they are Osama symps or communist "butt munchers" as one of the previous rage-ball posters would describe supporters of Kucinich's initiative, yet all have taken very public stands in favor of impeachment. Maybe the threat of impeachment can force Cheney's resignation for "health reasons" before he provokes war with Iran, the reason we can't wait until 2009 to remove him from power.

Posted by: Laser | April 24, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Good point, Observer.

Note on the Plame case: Libby was convicted of lying to investigators, not for exposing a covert agent. She was apparently exposed b/c the CIA and State Department failed to ensure that her status was properly noted in memos and briefings that left their direct control. A mostly non-political figure, Richard Armitage (a Colin Powell loyalist, not a Bushie) confessed publicly and repeatedly (confirmed by Bob Novak) to being the person who "let the cat out of the bag".

Whatever else the Bush/Cheney crowd did right or wrong, this particular issue seems NOT to have been political payback, after all.

Posted by: Webster | April 24, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

PS "Gonzo" refers mainly to a style of journalism where the author himself is intimately involved in the events reported. Given the Rep Kucinich expects to benefit politically by presenting the articles of impeachment, the use of the word "gonzo" is not entirely unreasonable.

Posted by: Webster | April 24, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Help stop the spread of A I D S. Use a CONDOM!

Posted by: Wades88 | April 24, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Nice wrapup on presidential race at http://www.solidpolitics.com

Posted by: William | April 24, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Members of the msm always scorn the possibility that the grassroots can control or change the establishment they work for. The public is fed up the the Cheney/Bush dictatorship, we want control of our government as democratic theory says it should be ours, and we want the war crimes and crimes against humanity perpetrated by this regime to be punished. I support the introduction of articles of impeachment against Cheney because they are proper and legal and necessary if the nation is to recover its honor...

Posted by: Rich | April 24, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I say let's get this show on the road.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

If Bush & Cheney ran a business the way they run this country, they would have been fired, bankrupt or indited like the Enron crew.It's about time someone in our government grew some testicular fortitude and took these crooks on!

Posted by: John Welacha | April 24, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

S4C,You would be better served on the front lines where you can keep up with what is happening.COWARD.Send other people's kids!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice! Go Kucinich!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Thank you to all those who posted subsequent to my first post above (e.g., Dave - "Cheney for doing his job" ; s4c's off-point, deflective inapposite gramatical counter-attack, and his or her fantastical koolaide induced ahistorical "Thank God these cowards of the Democrat party were not in power during WWII" -- yeah FDR was a Republican; and Kevin's classic "All of you Dipwad Dems and Libs need to purchase a one way ticket to another country and get the hell out of the USA!!") --- I appreciate your providing further evidence of what I was referring to, although there was plenty, this made nice icing on the cake, and is exactly what I was explicating.

I'm angry. Any patriot would be. Most people are now who have eyes and a brain. How could you not be, given the facts, unless you ignore them. I watched the Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch hearing just now all morning, and my heart is still pounding. Year, Tillman's brother, who served in Pat's unit, sure is some leftie-hippie-elitist-Bush Hater. Sam Adams was mad. Patrick Henry was mad (how many of you can recite all his major speeches from memory, as I and my friends do?) And yes, they "hated" -- and with good cause too. Again, you're looking through the wrong end of the telescoe (sorta like that great pic of Bush holding up the binoculars with the lense caps on -- guess it doesn't really matter if you already see in your head all you care to see). What is being done to what we cherish most is, well, hateful. A tear came to my eye literally as I watched the hearing, finally seeing a functioning legislative branch again, checking the executive on its misuse of its Constitutionally powers we all grant to the government (read the Declaration of Independence lately? -- when the gov't breaks its end of the covenant w/ the governed, then we have the right, "nay, the duty as free men" (sorry ladies for the masculine natural usage here) to stop it and change it. I found myself saying out loud, "Thank you, James Madison, bless you and thank you -- this was just what you were trying to create!").

And in classic righty style, I just heard the aptly named "Savage" (not "Wise" or "Wisdom" -- words that are also names he could have adopted as his stage name) made a attack Tillman's brother's testimony, questioning whether he wrote his opening remarks. What sentient -- let alone intelligent -- human being would care about that? The point is, he read it, and it was what he said. If I was in his shoes, I'd sure want some help putting togeter and polishing such an important thing. The poit was what he wsa saying. He was saying it. AND, this is particularly clinically insane when the thrust of the second session, was that the Army had doctored and fruadulently altered a statement written about Pat's death by another soldier who was right next to Pat when his head was 2/3 blown off lying there next to him.

Why do you hate our tropps? If this is your idea of support -- risking lives needlessly for a war whose causus belli was essentally manufactured, then not sending enough troops so as to be able to better sell this to the public, then not supply them with the armor they need (still to this day -- the latest is concussive helmet liners), and then attacking anyone who wanted to get you back home safe and alive to be with your family watching football on sunday on the couch with their feet up and a nice cold brew in hand -- if that's support in your (comic) book, don't ever support me or the United States of America.

With friends like that, as is said, who needs enemies?

The question is not whether someone is angry, but rather is the anger warranted? Are you angry about a PResient getting a BJ (look, I wasn't wild about it, but it didn't make me angry like this stuff does now), or one who is f'ing up this country, its military, budget, and its beloved and cherised rights (like habeus, for starters).

So, in closing, Mr. Froelich, thanks for providing the cherry on the cake (quoted below), with this historically dyslexic remark which I shall hereafter use as an example that capsulates what I've been talking about here (sir, the Watergate scandal erupted and really blew up AFTER the '72 election, not vica versa as may appear to you in your topsy-turvey bass-ackwards world seen thru your camera obscura mindset), and paved the way for the Republican loss in '76 -- sir, I don't mean to be partisan, but mathematically and chronologically 76 comes AFTER 72, you know what AFTER means I'm sure).

Sir, I offer you the last words by qutoing herein yours above, to wit (no pun intended)--

"Another step towards forming the current Democratic Party into a clone of the McGovern campaign. I am predicting that if it becomes the Party of ANGER, it will duplicate 1972 and lose."

The only rational (big assumption) explanation for this statement is that you were either way too young then, or are way too old now, to remember the actual sequence of events. Literally, backward (mis)"thinking"

FInally, thank you true conservatives who posted above their shared disdain and upset. Informed, reasoned political debate is interesting and intellectually exhilerating. Though I disagree with many true conservative viewpoints, some of the most interesting, informed, stimulating and mutually respectful political discussions I've had the pleasure of having over the past few decades has been with true conservatives such as yourselves who posted above here (I'm talkin' to you, Jay -- right on brother!).

Posted by: Publius | April 24, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

ps, the "sleuth" is lame.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 24, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Where are the real leaders at?

Posted by: pete | April 24, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The idea is GONZO. And I would like to know who came up with 60 per cent of Americans want Bush and/or Cheney impeached.

Posted by: Rich | April 24, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What's GONZO is the LYING,CHEATING, MURDERING, CRIMINALS are getting away
with it and the MSM is in bed with the CROOKS.

Posted by: DRK | April 24, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Webster, I thought I was done with this board, but just saw yours above and couldn't resist --

You say that Libby "only" lied to invsetigators, but didnt out Plame. So that makes it all OK with you? Thanks for showing your stripes. It does bother some Americans that federal investigators and a grand jury are lied to in a national security related invesitgation (as constrasted with lying in a private meritless civl damages lawsuit, ultimately tossed out of court, about an extramarital affair).

The other point you echo that's been made in attempted mitigation of all this is that Armitage did it, i.e., was the first leaker, no matter how many others joined in and spread it all over town. That's just what gang bang rapists say in their defense (I'm not joking) -- "I wasn't the first one in."

Posted by: publius | April 24, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

S4C -

I figured you as some pseudo-Christian type. You whack-jobs are 90% of what's wrong in the world today. Professing to follow Christ, but ready to kill kill kill at every opportunity. Hate-mongering Christian - now there's an oxymoron. Hypocrite.

- R

Posted by: RichA | April 24, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Calling it a "gonzo plan" and a "dead-on-arrival impeachment plan" as you do reveals more about you and your comfy inside-the-beltway mindset than it does anything else. Perhaps if you'd lost a son or daughter because of Dick Cheney's lies, you wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it. Perhaps defrauding a nation into war doesn't count as a crime in the mind of cynical journalists like you. To those who care about the needless slaughter of our troops, the reckless destabilization of an already unstable region, the damage this has done to our standing in the world, and therefore to our security, that this war and the lies that led to it have caused, you'd think twice before so breezily dismissing the notion of impeachment.

Posted by: Alan | April 24, 2007 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Gong. Would someone with a little sense at the Washington Post please pull this columnist before she embarrasses herself further?

Posted by: Saul | April 24, 2007 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I have no love for "our troops", at least as a fighting force. They do NOT fight for good, as they are an extension of the mis-guided direction of those leading them. Why do I "hate our troops", because they are damaging America, Americans, and all upon which our country was founded (and any thing like common decency would dictate) by following blindly the MOST dangerous regime to EVER threaten the prospects of peace on this planet.

It goes way beyond this administration. It is deep and wide in all aspects of society, brainwashing and disempowering our best and brightest, the only real hopes for the future of humankind... YOU YOU YOU!!! Your minds are awash with fear. Each of you, individually , MUST look within, and take on the courage to fight this thing. All of these rantings about liberals, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, and the other "sides" issues, are setting us against ourselves to WASTE TIME.

All of you, EACH and EVERY one of you, without exception, who does not reach within himself, and see that LOVE is the only solution, is simply avoiding the only issue that matters. When, oh when, oh bright and shining ones, will you transcend yourself, your attitudes, your prejudices, your absolutely idiotic adherence to one method of conformity or another as your (mistaken) salvation, and LOVE truly? When that begins to happen, then there will be hope. Without that there is NO HOPE... and anyone who hold out hope is a fool, plain and simple.

Love would remove those "in power", instantly, you see? By LOVING, even that which you think is truly hateful, you will understand. From understanding cometh truth and compassion and healing...

Posted by: Given | April 24, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

To the retired Marine who attacked John Murtha and the Democratic leadership for treason and hurting the morale of the troops; read your history. When the Gestapo rounded up the politcal resistance in Germany known as the White Rose, and had its leader Sophie Scholl beheaded, the crimes she was convicted of were Treason, and demoralizing the troops. Those in the military who knew Hitler was demonic did not act, because they took a loyalty oath.
Our soldiers were ordered to torture prisoners, 37 of whom died at Abu Ghraib.
The Bush administration privatized Walter Reed, and outsourced the care givers jobs to a company linked to Haliburton. Our wounded were treated like sides of beef or animals. Our government made up war propaganda and lied to cover up the friendly fire death of Tillman, and faked a made for TV movie about the "rescue" of Jessica Lynch. Cheney's Halliburton cheated the US government and tax payers of billions, and gave tainted bottled water to our soldiers. Bush/Cheney deployed our soldiers into a civil war with inadequate training and equipment while disregarding their military advisors.
Let me remind you that on the eve of the November election, all four newspapers of the Armed Forces editorialized on the same
day for the removal of Rumsfeld as incompetent, and the two previous heads of the central command, Generals Zinni and Hoar, have denounced the war as unjustified and unwinnable, worse than Vietnam. The active duty Generals and Admirals who told Bush and Cheney the truth of this incompetence were fired. Colin Powell has since stated publicly that he was deceived and misled with the pre-war intelligence, and felt betrayed, and wouldn't be in this war if he knew then what he knows now. Powells chief of staff, Lt. Col Larry Wilkerson has described the outrageous lying of the Bush White House in lying to congress to start the war and force out everyone who disagreed. Are they all traitors because they wouldn't go along with Cheney's lies?

Posted by: Laser | April 24, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Sure, Cheney deserves to be impeached. As does Bush. But the real point is: the Sleuth rocks. I love her irreverent point of view. Plus, she gets all the juicy stuff first!

Posted by: Cicero | April 24, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Much a do about nothing. The idea is dead on arrival.

Posted by: Thom | April 24, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic stuff, Sleuth. Just because Dem. leaders are cringing doesn't mean you have to join them. You're acting like a high-school student, trying to stay in with the cool kids, rather than like an independent, thinking person. Remember that a majority of Americans in a poll supported impeaching Bush if investigations found he had lied to support the case for war. And his popularity, at 33%, is 50% higher than Cheney's, at 21. So maybe you should spare the derision and report the facts.

Posted by: hedgehog | April 24, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

hay, this is the kind of Admin you get when there is no recognizably tangible issue being offered to the American people for their approval. There are huge potential issues--but we don't really care about Social Security, Healthcare, etc.--disgraceful.

Posted by: Tom Hay | April 25, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

I think the folks at Halliburton would love to have him back, he was such a fun co-worker from what I've heard. Let's think of them and let him out of this low-paying government job that is not good for his health or reputation. Let's free him up from this federal albatross so he can really blossom as an individual.

Posted by: Centexaxe | April 25, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I have nothing but respect for our military but this president has given ground to Al Qaeda by invading Iraq. Jack Murtha has a right and a patriotic duty to hold our incompetent leaders accountable and how many times is Bush going to play the 9/11 card. Iraq was the greatest gift we could have given Bin Laden. It is crime to invade with out an exit strategy, without a coalition, without a plan, with out giving the troops what they need to just place the troops in a total cluster mess and you are saying Murtha is the unpatriotic one. All we had to do was surround Bin Laden and take him down instead Bush goes right along with the script Bin Laden wrote for us and you are supposed to outsmart your enemies not fall into their traps. Bin Ladens plan was to bleed us into bankruptcy and that is what this president is doing so if you ask me Bush is the one that wants to loose and he is unpatriotic one. They are planning this surge without talking about the problem and that is the militias they need to develop a plan to take on that instead of just sending in troops when the central government has no power all the power is in the militias hand meanwhile Bin Ladens is sitting back laughing at us.

Posted by: Robert Malone | April 25, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

With the Democrats constantly moving to the left (or should I say they continue to MOVE ON to the left), it was only a matter of time before a third-rate Presidential candidate like Kuninich introduced articles of impeachment against President Bush or Vice President Cheney. (Hardly anyone knows he's running, but I'm sure the left blames that on the "moneyed" media.) The left will never face the fact that a war needs to be fought against terror unless something happens to Berkeley or Boston. They'll continue their obsession with big-oil, military-industrial complex, or 9/11-inside-job conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Trekkie | April 25, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Why the mocking, superior tone about impeaching Cheney. We should be hailing Kucinich as a hero. Impeachment of this vice president and president is fully justified. Their dishonest and even criminal behavior (can't really elaborate here, but what about producing known fake documents to the UN to justify the war) should have made it a no brainer. But Pelosi verbally vetoed that possibility. I think that is when I lost all respect for the Democrats.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Give the VP time to recoup. Ha!!! Do you think that's a courtesy that Dick would extend?

To the communist that hates our troops. Go back to whatever country you migrated here from!!!

We have the greatest soldiers in the world. They have not been defeated, they have all done exactly what they were ORDERED to do. Let's not forget that! They help keep our country safe. This time by grabbing those huge terrorist networks by the throats and putting a strangle hold on them. They've crippled an organization bent on murder and destruction and if the situation calls for it again. They'll do the same. Don't disrespect these brave young men and women fighting for us!!!

Posted by: T SY | April 25, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Cheney is evil. He, Bush and Gonzolles should all e in jail. Our country will never regain what they have lost.

Posted by: Robert | April 25, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

The kucinish clowns are falling in their own sandboxes. don't forget to tidy up when you leave vegans.

Posted by: jake | April 25, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Robert, we will regain it. This is the United States and we must have faith in our economy., I still pray for President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and you know I have prayed for Attorney General Gonzales., and besides, all of them will be gone in how many months, weeks and days, hours, minutes and seconds-hahaha!!! I hope everybody is ready to say, hello Mrs. President. it is just the opposite of saying hello Mr. President-smiling. anyway? I would like you people to do like the Great Senator Reid, he did not bring in a false report from His Front, saying the Democrats are messing up the war effort., and he did not talk about the Vice President, instead, he let it go over his head, knowing that I would hear about it and GET ON HIM! but I am going to do like the Great Senator Reid, I am just going to pray for him, and let him know that Debra and Barak are coming back-I mean Senator Clinton and Former President Clinton, and like Barak, he will help out in any way possible, I can't say that for others, though., now I have been looking up some Great Women-Oprah Winfrey, Abigail Johnson, these are at the Top! these women are just a few of the Women Billionaires., I thought a women could not lead, these are not the Queen and others, these are Home Grown!!! sorta like Eleanor Roosevelt, Jacqueline Onassis,Rose Kennedy and Barbara Bush, thse women have left there mark!!! so Mr. Kucinich, if you will do the honors and lead our people to make a choice of Senator Clinton and others., don't let the President and Vice President rent space-no start on a plan to help the Veteran Affairs Hospitals, start on a bigger plan to protect our borders, talk to Mr.Chuck Vance, I might have been hasty in my rage against him, because, here in Washington D.C., these Security People, whether on a gate, in a library or driving, or Secret Service, the one thing I have out about them, is they are very knowledgable, apt to help, well mannered and cordial-they seem like they have not a bad day, and I know they do., they just don't bring it to work. we should take notice of this, and it should be pass along to others., others who are just there for a pay check, or want to retire, Retire then, but that will be knowledge lost, there should be a school set up, and they should beable to teach children who have nothing better to do during the summer, or in the winter, have cocao and teach in a community center close by., don't get me started, all of technology is good, but sometimes hard knuckles are good, too. remember when they knew the plane was lost, how many lives on the ground did they save? was it done in vain? let us always remember this, and also remember GOD, because I would not be writing this, if HE had not brought me here from Florida! GOD,HE made a way for me to come here., well, now I am here, here I will stay, until President Clinton, oh? sorry? Senator Clinton is in office., I hope by then he will give me money and I can go home to Missouri! people? I am tired, but we have much work to do, before our next President, to me-Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton can take over., and it all starts with prayer., another plan must be brought up on how to tell people to stop firing people, and keep WHO you have, this will keep down terrorist attacks, because if you see a new face, you will wonder, and ask about them. and its nice that we care for each other, we don't need an National ID system, just a closer relationship with GOD,Jesus Christ and Holy Ghost-the Trinity, and each other. may all of you be Blessed in your endeavors, today. pray for each other, I am Janair Williams Sr.

Posted by: Janair Williams Sr. | April 25, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Condescending Washington insiders. Yes, Dennis is not the smoothest guy in the world, but he has a big heart...and guess what? He is right about Cheney.

Posted by: Alex | April 25, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Be careful S4C has a mental problem

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Dennis the Menace is the best you guys got against Darth Vader...I mean Bozo Reid(not my words but the words of his home town paper and Nancy the Anti Catholic Peolsi aren't going to do it. Please I don't know if we can take these 3 all at once ...have mercy have mercy

Posted by: S brand | April 25, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

a big heart...yep trying to impeach a guy to get press publicity for your campaign is real caring....

Posted by: F bran | April 25, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I like Pelosi, but I am disappointed to tell the least that she didn't start yet this impeachment's proceeding. Whoever first, Bush or Cheney, this country can't afford to have such leaders for twenty months more in the White House. It is as obvious as day is light.

Posted by: aepelbaum | April 26, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Kucinich has shown the way. If only America will pull its head out of the sand, we would realize that the gang in the White House has lied to us. They were right about one thing: there is indeed an axis of evil. Its members are Bush and Cheney and their partners in crime. Impeach their miserable butts and throw them into jail, preferably something like Guantanamo.

Posted by: alzach01 | April 26, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Five Deferments Cheney has no business waging war on anyone. Let Mr. 9% answer for his war-profiteering.

Posted by: shagawa | April 26, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Let's get our terms straight here. When we talk about Al Qaeda, do you mean these guys?

Posted by: Serious | April 26, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Dennis will drop out because of lack of financial support and Mike Gravel, both of them honest, truthful candidates are the best candidates that won't last

Posted by: shamus2 | April 26, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Dear Ms. Akers,

With respect, I ask you to read over your work. This piece seems rather flip and self-congratulatory, as if what matters is your little 'scoop' and the snide spin you can put on a serious matter such as impeachment.

What matters is whether the Vice President should be impeached. Substantial evidence abounds that would make such an impeachment credible.

Please, Ms. Akers! You have power! Why do you write about such serious issues as if they were only anecdotes to spew at a party? Our nation has spent a trillion dollars on this war; the Vice President was the CEO of a company that received 20 billion dollars of that money. Over three thousand Americans have died and Iraq is in ruins.

What is there to be flip about? When you read your column twenty years from now, will you be proud of the service you have done your country? Or will you be ashamed that you used your talents for pettiness while children died?

Wishing you the best,

LBS

Posted by: LBS | April 27, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I guess we have so many loose canon balls here!

Posted by: Herbert-Jean Awuor | April 28, 2007 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Why should we listen to Kucinich, a man whose lips have graced the posterior of a certain wannabe communist dictator in Venezuela? Kucinich's smiling at and shaking hands with a man that has openly declared his hostility to the United States and then railing against his own government while overseas leaves me with the sensation of having been betrayed. I wouldn't trust this man to write an article of impeachment, a piece of sound legislation, or even to be poop scooper in my local city park. Frankly, if the man had any sense of honor, he should also draw up articles for his own impeachment, but I believe the chances of that happening are about the same as those of Hell freezing over or, at least, Hell experiencing a balmy evening along the shores of the River Styx.

In any case, I often find it amusing, but on occasion disappointing, how the Proletarian bandwagon can only roll in one direction. Personally, I prefer my own two feet. Sure, I may move a bit more slowly and certainly without the same degree of fanfare, but I can go places that a bandwagon can never go and every step I take only makes me stronger.

Hanging those chads in Floriduh,

William C. Republican

Posted by: William C. Republican | April 30, 2007 1:27 AM | Report abuse

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