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Another Sexually Charged House Page Scandal

So much for reform of the House page program in the wake of the Mark Foley scandal. House teenage pages are so wild and unsupervised that two GOP members of Congress have resigned from the House Page Board, protesting that they were not informed of two pages caught shoplifting and two others busted for engaging in public oral sex.

One of the members who resigned, Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida, tells the Sleuth that she felt "very, very uncomfortable" both as a mother and a grandmother continuing to serve on a board she feels is inadequately supervised.

"I thought the Mark Foley incident was a wake-up call," Brown-Waite said, referring to the disgraced former GOP congressman from Florida who was caught sending sexually tawdry instant messages to male House pages. "Apparently it wasn't." The congresswoman added, "If I had a 16-year-old granddaughter, I wouldn't let her come up here. I would not let my 16-year-old grandson come up here." (The congresswoman does have a 16-year-old grandson.)

One of the incidents that bothered Brown-Waite involved what she called "inappropriate sexual indiscretions" between two teenaged pages. She would not elaborate, though she said other pages served as "enablers." A source familiar with the incident - which resulted in the expulsions of two pages - said one female page performed oral sex on a male page in the page dorm room as the other teenagers watched. "The enablers provided cover for them, the other pages were watching," the source said.

According to Brown-Waite, the alleged public sexual indiscretions were "not an isolated incident."

Two other pages were expelled for shoplifting. Brown-Waite and another source said one of the shoplifters was charged with a felony.

In a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) , Brown-Waite suggested that the Clerk of the House, whose job it is to oversee the House page program, should no longer be in charge of the teenagers. "Page supervision, other than on the floor of the House, is found to be sorely lacking, and the clerk has been slow to share information with members of the board," Brown-Waite wrote. "In at least one vitally important incident, we were intentionally kept in the dark about dismissals for more than a week, and were only given the details after personally confronting the clerk with rumors we had heard."

Both Brown-Waite and Rep. Shelly Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), who also resigned from the page board in protest, said they blamed Pelosi for not reforming the program as promised. Capito said the "problems with communication between board members that plagued the program in the past have only continued under new House leadership." Capito plans to officially tender her resignation on Friday.

The congresswoman was referring to the political dustup during the Foley scandal when then-House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) was accused of a cover-up. His staff was reprimanded later by a review panel for failing to communicate information to Democrats on the board about Foley's sexually explicit electronic messages with pages. The Foley scandal was the last straw in a string of scandals that cost Republicans the majority in 2006.

Brown-Waite said she resigned knowing that "in the short term, the credibility of the board will be damaged, and the page program may suffer."

UPDATE: Rep. Dale Kildee (D-Mich.), the chairman of the bipartisan House Page Board, weighed in Thursday night. He expressed regret over the resignations of Reps. Capito and Brown-Waite from the board and suggested he agreed, at least in part, with the congresswomen that members of the board should have been notified sooner by the House clerk of the pages' misconduct.

"Pages who were found in serious violation of the Page Code of Conduct this year were immediately expelled from the program and sent home," Kildee said in a statement released by his office. "The Board was not satisfied with the manner and timeliness in which it was informed of these actions. Therefore, in our Page Board meeting of November 9, 2007, the Board unanimously agreed that the Clerk of the House should immediately and simultaneously inform all Members in cases where pages were dismissed from the program. Indeed, that was the case in the most recent incident."

Kildee didn't specify what the "incident" involved, nor did he make reference to any sexual activity or shoplifting.

UPDATE: The House clerk's office this evening released a statement from Miller acknowledging Brown-Waite's resignation and welcoming "constructive criticism" and "ideas for further improvement" but also defending her oversight of the page program. She did not address the shoplifting or public sexual conduct allegations, but said the dismissals of the four students involved "are an example of our willingness to exercise our option of immediate dismissal from the program, an option that we will continue to exercise when appropriate and warranted."

Miller said Democrats, since taking control of the House, have "adopted a zero-tolerance policy when faced with rules violations or conduct that is ethically or legally suspect" and that "under the leadership of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, we have implemented significant reform measures designed to restore and enhance the integrity, effectiveness and reputation of the House Page Program."

She said those reforms involve a "strictly enforced Honor Code" and "comprehensive training and orientation that establish clear expectations for conduct that reflects credibly on the House." She added, "Those of us who are entrusted with the safety, security and wellbeing of our Pages take this responsibility with the utmost seriousness. Creating an environment in which our nation's youth can be nurtured and developed to their full potential is an extremely rewarding practice and we will continue to develop our Page program to achieve these objectives."

By Mary Ann Akers  |  December 6, 2007; 6:20 PM ET
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What are the pages except a product of their environment? How is their behaviour any different that so many in congress?

We can't expect the pages to behave themselves while the members act like drunken frat boys on spring break.

Posted by: anon | December 6, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks 16-year-olds are capable from refraining from oral sex, probably also believes the Earth is 6,000 years old.

Posted by: Extraordinary Rendition | December 6, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Attention, Speaker Pelosi:

I am reminded of the ubiquitous photo of you and all the kids as you took the gavel as the new Speaker. Which of those children would you now give up to the Page Program? Which one would you sacrifice to such unsupervised and unsafe activities?

Which one, Madam Speaker?

Posted by: mpower | December 6, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Looks like two pages were stuck together, so to speak.

Posted by: Spectator2 | December 6, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

WOW.. the failure to manage the Congressional Pages by the GOP Reps somehow is morphed into BLAME Nancy Pelosi...

Lets see..what other agencies under GOP control are demonstrating an amazing lack
cooperation and professional management..?

YET that somehow bleeds down to Fingerpointing of DEMs..

Posted by: ISSA | December 6, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

RE: "Anyone who thinks 16-year-olds are capable from refraining from oral sex, probably also believes the Earth is 6,000 years old."

This is idiotic. What a silly statement. Teenagers are not robots, or animals. Except in your tiny head.

Posted by: Oh, please | December 6, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I understand this. Members of the board that oversee the program are resigning because the Speaker who is not on the board did not reform them. Very strange. After all these are rich, well connected kids who don't have to play by the rules. Nothing will change that as long as it is a perk for supporters. Hire local kids and pay them for their service. By the way when I say local I mean natives, yes we do exist. Not well connected staffer's kids who happen to live here but are not a part of the community.

Posted by: patrickhenry | December 6, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

If consensual oral sex is grounds for expulsion, then, obviously, every member of of congress should probably be expelled. I thought House page reform was supposed to protect pages from molesters. What is Brown-Waite saying, that it should focus on preventing pages from engaging in normative adolescent behavior?

Posted by: rem | December 6, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The pages fit right in.

Oh, was that cynical? Sorry.

Posted by: style-206 | December 6, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

So, a Republican is up in arms about two Pages having sex. Unfortunately, they have spent so much effort protecting pedophiles who prey on young male Pages, they really get upset in a boy - girl situation. Clearly, they want to keep the boy - man sex hidden, and protect the grown perpetrators, who just happen to belong to the GOP, Grand Old Pedophiles. Just where were these loud mouthed complainers, when the Party was protecting Mark Foley? Why is a known sex offender (convicted) still keeping a Republican vote count high. It sickens me to see what the Republican "Contract On America" has done to this country.

Posted by: 274627 | December 6, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

As a former House Page, I can confidently say that the actions of these few teenagers do not speak for the entire program. There is a certain amount of well-earned trust given to the teens on the Hill. However, they are constantly supervised, whether they are on the House Floor or in the dorm. I am appalled at the actions of these four Pages but, I continue to feel that the Page Program is a wonderful way for teenagers to experience their government in a safe environment. Please do not let the actions of a few unruly teenagers ruin the opportunity for many deserving kids!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Not all pages are rich and well-connected. Us Fandies in California personally know pages who are diligent, ethical and hard-working who are horrified by this incident and let down by the finger-pointing. Wouldn't it be better for the adult leaders of our country to take control by accepting responsibility instead of pointing fingers and then quitting.

Posted by: Fandy | December 6, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Fandy! Not every Page is well connected! I met my sponsoring Member for the first time on the Hill. All of the teenagers there have worked very hard to get to that point!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Please get your facts straight. Your source is misleading you. Both the boys and girls floor access is controlled by smart cards and have cameras which are monitored 24/7 by the staff, just in case. The odds of what you report happening in the dorm room is highly improbable. However, leadership at the dorm is clearly lacking. These kids go to school from 6:45am to 11:30 then work until the house recesses. They are away from home and deserve the respect of the page dorm leadership. The Republican's need to pick another fight!
BTW: as I type this, the House is still in session and there are Pages on the floor working!!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

However nuanced, this is one of the zillion reasons I will never vote democrat again. The democratic party has waged war on common sense morality for the last 20 years or so. Not that there aren't plenty of republican perverts, there are, but the democrats have been sabotaged by the San Francisco street porn marcher element, and this lowering of the bar for decency is the syphilis of our current culture.

How can one expect our youngsters to maintain a high bar for decency and morality when the party in power is controlled neo pervert filth.

Posted by: tradamerica | December 6, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Extraordinary Discretion, your name implies you'd be one of these people. Well, at least you'd keep it hidden (I suppose). Not everyone is sexually active at "such a young age".

Posted by: Kevin | December 6, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

What parent in their right mind would send a teenager to live in Washington, vaguely supervised by members of congress?

I like the idea of using local high schoolers as pages (and they would go home every night to their family). I also like the idea of making it an opportunity for college students-- instead of "Jr. year abroad)", they would do a semester or year as a Page. Then they are already adults, so the responsibility is a bit different than for a 16 year old.

Posted by: Jane Smothers | December 6, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

this is clearly all clintons fault!

Posted by: bobnjersey | December 6, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I smell a set up here - a little moral equivalence to put Pelosi on the hot seat - waiting for the Drudge post - those poor grandmothers even having to think of 16 year olds doing inappropriate things with each other is just so upsetting. How do these two members deal with the responsibility of sending thousands of men and women who are mostly just a few years older than the pages to their untimely deaths in Iraq? These corrupt and slovenly republicans want to set up a Norman Rockwell moment with which to beat up those ungodly dems. Enough already. Don't we have a nation to govern and an executive to supervise?

Posted by: john | December 6, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

So there was sex involving consenting pages only? No big bad congresscritters abusing their power to take advantage of the innocent and defenseless? When this happens everywhere else but Washington DC, it's a non-story. No big deal. That's what she said, anyhow. ;)

Posted by: Get over it | December 6, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

This post is weak and Mary Ann Akers is weak.

Akers reports that Rep. Ginny Brown-Waite of Florida told "the Sleuth" that she felt "very, very uncomfortable" serving on the board. Ohh, boo hoo. That is so sad!

It's a good thing Akers ran back to her computer and typed that up. Too bad Akers didn't have a chance to hold Brown-Waite's feet to the fire as a real reporter would do.

Akers should have asked the congresswoman why she didn't stay on the page board and try to improve it. Why did the congresswoman think running away from the problem would help it?

I guess we'll never know... Akers was too busy nodding her head in agreement to ask any tough questions.

Posted by: Tom | December 6, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

But c'mon y'all oral sex isn't sex. Is it?

Posted by: Bill Clinton | December 6, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

You do not solve problems by resigning.

Perhaps the next representative who takes a seat on the Page board will recognize the problems and see them to a successful conclusion.

Posted by: delsop | December 6, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

This article has it all wrong, by the way. According to other sources, the sexual activity was not publicly watched. Let's think about this anyway, who the hell would watch somebody do that? It is not only illogical, but it is surely false.

Posted by: anonymous | December 6, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Why exactly do they need pages in Congress for anyway? It's not some medeivel court.

Posted by: JL | December 6, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Amazing!! Another repube/dumbacrap scandal, with both pointing their sticky-fingers at each other, and idiots in the general public jumping up to defend them!! PAY ATTENTION AMERICA--ZERO INCUMBENTS IS THE ONLY ANSWER!! THROW THEM ALL OUT, DESTROY THEIR ENTIRE SYSTEM AND START OVER!!!

Posted by: Brian | December 6, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The Pages don't do anything 16 year olds everywhere don't do. If they weren't pages they'd be getting up to the same behaviour when they went to their friends' house parties.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Why not dump this abused page program and replace these teens with disabled veterans under the Operation Warfighter or similar internship program? Let the members of Congress interact on a daily basis with those who have given so much.

Posted by: Warfighter | December 6, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

[I will never vote democrat again. The democratic party has waged war on common sense morality for the last 20 years or so ... How can one expect our youngsters to maintain a high bar for decency and morality when the party in power is controlled neo pervert filth.]
[Posted by: tradamerica | December 6, 2007 07:32 PM ]

party in power? better check that again?

i'm betting you wouldn't approve of a 'democratic' cure for cancer.

Posted by: bobnjersey | December 6, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

To the partisan jerk, case you forgot, the House "Dems" promised a brand new day filled with sunshine and reform and 5 day work weeks and rapid legislation that would improve all our lives. So far we've gotten midnight bills that the minority never gets to read, 3 day work weeks, gridlocked appropriation bills, Bill Jefferson with a freezer-full of cold hard cash and that mutant munchkin, Kucinich with his self-aggrandizing effort to impeach Cheney (yeah, nothing else of importance for the House to be working on, right?) and now these idiot pages. Could the massive tax increases be far behind? If I'm not mistaken the overarching authority figures are the Dem appointed clerk and the Dem anointed speaker. How do you get that this is a Republican failure? The only people reacting appropriately were the 2 Republicans who resigned in protest. Kildee's office will furnish a response eventually. I can't wait. Only an idiot would arrive at the conclusion you so ineptly posted.

Posted by: ddnfla | December 6, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

hey....what's all the ruckus? The kids weren't doing anything wrong. In spite of the allegations they weren't engaged in sexual activity...just ask former president Clinton... "I did not have sex with _________________" (take your time and fill in the blanks. Test your memory and add blanks as necessary)

Posted by: ddnfla | December 6, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans said they would bring morality to Washington. So bathroom sex, child molesting and public fellatio is the 'morality' they had in mind?
This was all Republicans mind that are doing this mind you, as much as some are even trying to pass the blame to Speaker Pelosi. But do you REALLY expect Republicans not to LIE when eveery one of them is a corrupt, perverted traitor?

Posted by: Frank D | December 6, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I see a correlation here. Whenever public servants aren't being held accountable with public money, they won't will be.

Whenever public servants aren't being held accountable with young lives under their control, they won't be.

Government only has three reasons to be.

Defend our borders from attack.

Keep the peace.

Settle civel disputes

Please, let's take power to do anything else away from these constitutional criminals. They're taking advantage of us.

Posted by: Paul Furlong | December 6, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Comment by ISSA :
"WOW.. the failure to manage the Congressional Pages by the GOP Reps somehow is morphed into BLAME Nancy Pelosi...".

What " ... manage ... by the GOP reps" ???
Democrats promised to clean up the House - they are in power and they did not deliver.
As far as Speaker Pelosi is concerned, she is the "top commander" of the House, and as such she is responsible for how the House is managed.

Posted by: csavargo | December 6, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Get the pages the hell out of there!

The lack of supervision proves the congressmen can't handle such a program. They can't handle themsselves. (no pun intended...or maybe intended).

And whoever recruited the pages must have been looking for miscreants, the worst of a bad generation. That's what they got.

Posted by: Wilson | December 6, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

So, these people are equating consensual sex between two teenagers with a congressman sending sexually suggestive emails to a teenage boy?

Could this be an attempt by the former Republican majority to try and shift the focus from a pedophile Republican congressman, who they apparently couldn't or wouldn't control, to the current Democratic majority?

Posted by: Steve Nesich | December 6, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

If there is one truism in this life, it is this: Hormones trump everything.

Posted by: fauxpost | December 6, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

To: Patrick Henry: Your Comment "Let me see if I understand this. Members of the board that oversee the program are resigning because the Speaker who is not on the board did not reform them." shows that you either cannot read or understand the English language. The article clearly states that the House Clerk was the one person that should have informed the Members. "Brown-Waite wrote. "In at least one vitally important incident, we were intentionally kept in the dark about dismissals for more than a week, and were only given the details after personally confronting the CLERK with rumors we had heard." [EMPHASIS ADDED]

Posted by: Jim WV | December 6, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

You all are idiots. This is the problem as Brown-Waite stated: "In at least one vitally important incident, we were intentionally kept in the dark about dismissals for more than a week, and were only given the details after personally confronting the clerk with rumors we had heard."

It's not sex. It's disclosure morons. But democrats have never been able to understand that.

Posted by: lc | December 6, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Those pages do their country proud.
What a bunch of no class little brats.
Are we all proud to support them with taxpayer money?
Enough, already of that band of brats. The foul
congrssmen are, at least elected. Their places part of the constitution, for better or worse.
BUT THE PAGE PROBLEM is one that can be solved finally. SEND THEM HOME.

Posted by: Denise | December 6, 2007 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Hmn, I seem to remember a Dem by the name of Stobbs I believe, that was actually haveing sex with male pages. Got promoted to a higher status and when he finally retired, was given a retirement like he had been a war hero. How come no one ever mentions his name when referring to perv's?

Posted by: L. dowdle | December 6, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

This is what you come with? Fake blame on Pelosi, Clinton-Lewinsky? Really stretching it thin, very thin. This is obviously a pre0existing condition. I bet you will blame Obama for the Iraq war shortly. Give every other republican fiasco a little time under new leadership so you can blame them.
Small minds, small gen italia.

Posted by: Republi-sore-bottoms | December 6, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

As a former page, I can say that the Page Program is a great opportunity for students from around the country to learn about our government. While four students were inappropriate, I can only assume the 55 other page have worked hard throughout the semester and the program should not be condemned because of four bad apples.

The Democrats and Speaker Pelosi did what they were supposed to do. These students were caught and immediately sent home. Unlike the Foley incident, there was no hiding or brushing anything under the rug.

Finally, shame on these Congresswomen for resigning from the Page Board. If they really did not like what was going on, then they have the power, ability and authority to make changes in the program, and they should have stayed and fought. Sadly these congresswomen would rather run instead of making changes.

Posted by: clevepark | December 6, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

So do like the rest of the federal government: Contract out the page program. Pages would get valuable experience working for the companies that really run the show in DC -- such as SAIC or DynCorp.

Posted by: Harrumph | December 6, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse


What's your problem?? It is the GOP who were in Control of congress all these too many years -- years in which sex crimes, inappropriate sexual behaviour, payola, fraud, theft and bribery were taking place -- under the so-called leadership of the likes of DeLay.

So please - like the GOP or the religious right judgmental freaks haven't been caught up in enough crapola to last a lifetime.

Posted by: kec132 | December 6, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: rbrodzin | December 6, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Please stop generalizing the kids in the program as a bunch of stuck up brats. There are always a few bad apples in every bunch. Most of the kids there are motivated, smart, and upstanding members of their communities. They have strong morals and would never engage in this behavior.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, Bubba started it. He is the role model for a lot of these pages who come to Washington D.C. No wonder Bill is trying to get back to the White House. It is despecable that Nancy Pelosi, Hillary or any of the leaders who keep saying how they are going to shape the future of this country are paying any attention to the kids who end up as pages . All they care about is asking these pages to do the menial tasks like removing staples from papers, licking stamps, etc. for them. Nancy Pelosi is to be blamed for the lack of leadership in the house.

Posted by: Jack Marando | December 6, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

"The Democrats and Speaker Pelosi did what they were supposed to do."

So the Democrats and Pelosi were supposed to not tell the Republican board members about what happened? It's perfectly normal policy for Congressmen to have to confront the House clerk to find out about incidents?

Posted by: lc | December 6, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Theres only one solution to this problem that is for congress to not hire pages anymore before another horrifying incident happens their underage and should not be working in a place like the White House.Their young they dont know whats right from wrong yet and I do believe we have laws for underage workers. Not like they need them anyways just get those lazy lawmakers do their own job what do they do just sit around and do nothing anyways and get paid 100 grand a year.

Posted by: Anri | December 6, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Pages do not work in the White House.... they work in the Capitol for Congress.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Why does the congress need teenage pages to pass notes in this day of cell phones and text messaging?

Every congressperson has a cell phone, several "aides", probably a few eager interns\volunteers and at last resort there are messenger services and FedEx available for delivering packages.

Lets save some taxpayer money, keep the kids safe at home and never have to revisit this mess again (i.e. page scandal of 1982, etc.).

Hanging on to this expensive program for "tradition sake" is just silly.

Posted by: Good Idea | December 6, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Brown-Waite's grandson won't get to serve as a page. My son did and it was a phenomenal, life-changing, educational experience. Most of the school-year pages are not wealthy or politically well-connected; they are kids who are passionate about government service and politics and won their appointments through a competitive application process. The kids are expected to take responsibility for themselves, to work in a high-stress adult environment, and to complete their studies. Their work days are long, and like all high school juniors they also have to take AP tests and SATs and maintain college prep level GPAs. It is a bar that most of the kids rise to. On the other hand, even the best of 16-year-old kids sometimes can be adolescent in their judgement and behavior. That should not be an indictment of the program, or even more absurdly, of the Democratic party. When I have the opportunity to recommend the program to other parents, of 16-year-olds I do so wholeheartedly.

Posted by: Page mom | December 6, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think Ginny Brown-Waite is just jealous. As long as there ins't an orgy happening on in the dorms, and the kids are doing their jobs, it seems more or less like high schoolers being high schoolers. Everyone else watching, though? That's a little wierd.

That said, I don't condone the activity - the big deal that the representative is making out of it is just political bantering to try to show how the dems are hypocrites.

Posted by: America one | December 6, 2007 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I hope each and every parent/grandparent will read this and when their teenager begs for the 'experience' of being a Congressional page the response will be to 'just say no'. Obviously, these young people are placed in situations with little or no adult supervision. It's not fair to them or their families. I just wouldn't permit my child to do it. it's an 'experience' they don't need at age 16.

Posted by: cody mccall | December 6, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

The Page program is an excellent opportunity for tomorrow's leaders to be exposed to our government at work (or not work as the case maybe). The Pages are well supervised and the vast majority are good kids that follow the rules. Just as with any bunch of 16 and 17 year olds, there will be these sorts of issues. The hope is that the vetting process will weed out the bad apples before they get in the door. Turn this into more partisan nonsense just idiotic. The supervisors of this program did exactly what they should have... they sent the offenders home immediately.

The board is ultimately responsible and I certainly cannot blame Rep. Brown-Waite for being upset about the lack of notification regarding dismissals from the program.

Posted by: MikeS | December 6, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"San Francisco street porn marcher element"? Huh-whaaaa??? I have never heard of a "street porn marcher," and I read the news every day. I guess I must have missed something but now at least I guess I have an idea for a Halloween costume.

Okay, 31 year old female here, fairly liberal but with pretty conservative views about sex (i.e., a "personality test" on a well-known relationship site said that I was "practically puritanical").

That disclosure being made, I don't see what the issue is here. You take a group of teenagers and put them together, some of them are going to find a way to have sex. If it was consensual sexual activity and no laws were being broken, what is the problem here? Why is anyone resigning over not being told that some kids were having sex? And why are Democrats being blamed by some of these commenters for teenagers having oral sex? I don't think Democrats made that up. And to address the inevitable comment that Bill Clinton made it "acceptable," I was a teenager well before that story broke, and believe me, there was a lot of oral sex going on.

Teenagers of all walks of life--they're having sex, people! And they've been doing it for a good long time (maybe it all started with "Splendor in the Grass; let's start the Natalie Wood-bashing. That strumpet). How is this news?

Posted by: befuddled | December 6, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Rome: AD 56
Our government fails us at every turn.
What incredibly important purpose do sixteen-year old pages serve? I'd say such page positions are plumbs of power and influence and parents are involved. Will the government fold if the position of page is abolished? If so, why can't pages is enlisted from the rolls of the homeless or otherwise unemployed, in DC? What happened to all that propriety Bush said he'd bring back to government?
Meanwhile, the rest of us are fueling the entire world economy by driving our giant, gas guzzling SUVs' to the mall to charge lead toys, on our consumer credit cards, for the next generation of House pages. This is not exactly a formula for maintaining a sustainable society, would you think? Happy Holidays..........

Posted by: mikie44 | December 6, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

As another former House Page, I can say that I was completely supervised and protected during my time working in the House. Rep. Brown-Waite is misinformed if she thinks there were pages watching other pages having oral sex in a dorm room.

Male pages could not gain access to female dorm rooms under any situation. Not only were we supervised by Capital police 24/7, but we had to have smart keys to get into our dorms and only had access during certain hours of the day. We had incredibly strict curfews and had to sign out with our proctors to even step foot out of the dorm building.

The wonderful people working in the Hon. Lorraine C. Miller's office could not have cared more about our well-being and safety. Everyone associated with the House page program has dedicated their time and careers to granting the opportunity to change their lives to students from across the nation. These kids are not well-connected, rich snobs who do not recognize the value of their experience. These pages work unbelievably hard and fully understand the opportunity they had been given.

It seems that a few pages this year have made some bad decisions, but neither Democrats or Republicans can be blamed for these mistakes. It is a shame that these incidents are being used to fuel petty political disputes, when the future of a very important program is in jeopardy. My parents trusted the Page Program with my health and safety during my semester away from home and I am a better person for my experience. My fellow pages were smart, passionate, and ambitious young people but no one's perfect. To loss of the Page Program would be the loss of an amazing opportunity for teenagers across the nation.

Posted by: G | December 6, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes the Dems did say they would clean it up after the republicans screwed it up so bad, that I will give you die hard republicans, but cleaning up something so screw up by such screwed up people will take time, and the best thing that could have happened is the 2 republicans to step down when they saw something bad happen so that the Dems could step in to take there places and do the right thing. (great job stepping down Ginny Brown-Waite , you did the right thing) now the people that know what they are doing can take your place and do a little more cleanup of the leftover republican trash.

Posted by: littlelessBush | December 6, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The normal solution these days is to outsource the job. I guess soon we'll be seeing kids from China and India come over here and serve as pages for 15 cents an hour. And if they have sex, no one will care, because they'll be sent home in six months anyhow.

By the way, this sex problem didn't start with Bubba. It didn't even start with Warren G. Harding. I believe it started with Adam and Eve. Or maybe Steve.

Posted by: free trader | December 6, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The page program was instrumental for my child to learn DEMOCRACY at work. It's very difficult to become a page. The work day is very long and no one's there to take care of you when you get sick. It's too sad that this unfortunate incident has become so charged.
Guys, they just made a mistake and now have to go home and face their parents and community. Can you imagine for one second what that burden must feel like?

Posted by: Page Mom | December 6, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I reiterate: Replace pages with war-injured,disabled veterans. Years ago, there were specific jobs held for disabled veterans in the Capitol. Today, we should compel the members of congress to see and interact with young veterans every day that they are in session. These pols must continously see these young people (not the kids of campaign contributors) and hear of or witness the suffering of their families. If a young person of privilege wants to be a page, put on a uniform first and earn this position.

Posted by: Warfighter | December 6, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I did also notice "the so called reporter of this so called artical" didnt really seem to care about the pages all that much but seemed more interested in trying to make the "Republicans that choose to step down when thier job became a little to much like work" look good, is this news or just a paid advertisement in disquise?

Posted by: littlelessBush | December 6, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Partisan BS begets more of the same trash. So, would you say its parental DNA or the environmental polution along the lines of lead in the plumbing of Capitol Hill that generates such idiots? Our future must be assured when our tax dollars and the lives of our loved ones are put on the line to preserve debauched behavior and the right of those who choose to justify and defend it. Porn & senseless violence is now the center of their pathetic existence. Get a life people, there is a whole world out their beyond yourselves. Makes me sick I defended this sickening, narcissistic, and pathetic culture, but don't think I'm not just darned grateful for the privilege to serve you.

Posted by: privatebenjamin | December 6, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"You all are idiots. This is the problem as Brown-Waite stated: "In at least one vitally important incident, we were intentionally kept in the dark about dismissals for more than a week, and were only given the details after personally confronting the clerk with rumors we had heard."

It's not sex. It's disclosure morons. But democrats have never been able to understand that.

Posted by: lc | December 6, 2007 08:14 PM"

So you want to publicly humiliate teenagers and ruin their futures by having their oral sex written in the official record?

Also, a Republican arguing about disclosure? Heh, where are those Justice Department Memos again?

Posted by: Aldous | December 6, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

As anyone could have predicted, partisan Democrats here lambaste the Republicans, while partisan Republicans here lambaste the Democrats.

I'm more interested in the real question that needs answering: why is this a story? A couple of pages trying to get into each other's pants? As opposed to what goes on at high school parties all over the country, where teens . . .try to get into each other's pants.

The answer: the only reason this is a story is because it provides rabid partisans an opportunity to bash each other. This is a story so that you can do what you're doing right now. Enjoy it. When it runs out of steam, they'll find another non-story to dress up as a story for you to get all worked up about.

Posted by: Bootsy | December 6, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

For some reason I am not shocked at any of this behavior - Congress', pages', bloggers'... And that makes me so sad because I am mentally unable to think in high or honorable regard our representation, their apprentices, or our people. I know I should, but I just can't. I guess it's a matter of conditioning... If you expect the worst, you won't be shocked when you get it. Let's face it. America is not what it used to be. We suck. And we're ALL to blame. We're gonna burn... just like Rome.

Posted by: Scuba | December 6, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

"So you want to publicly humiliate teenagers and ruin their futures by having their oral sex written in the official record?

Also, a Republican arguing about disclosure?"

Are you being purposefully dense? Disclosure here was just telling the Republican board members about what happened. The Democrat board members knew, but they wouldn't let the Republican board members know. It has nothing to do about anything appearing in the official record; it has everything to do with the board members making sure they are all on the same page.

I also advise you to check up Brown-Waite's record. She had a history of upsetting Hastert.

Posted by: lc | December 6, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually pretty irritated with the Post for making this a lead story on the website and that they are using the titillating teaser "Another sexually-charged page scandal" in the sidebar. This is nowhere near the Foley mess.

I was under the impression that I was reading The Washington Post, not its tabloid cousin, the New York Post. I thought the Washington Post was a real newspaper that was above "sex sells." They just lost some prestige in my eyes. Of course, that doesn't matter to them, because with all the clicks this story is getting, they're going to gain ad revenue.

Posted by: befuddled again | December 6, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

We really need to hear from the pages involved in the alleged oral sex incident. Maybe they were just re-enacting highlights of the Clinton Adminstration.

Posted by: Rob | December 6, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The shoplifters shouldn't have shoplifted and it's good they were sent home.

But really, if the criterion is going to be "horrors, teenage sex!" we'd logically have to close down every co-ed high school in the country.

And as for "Bubba started it, he's the role model", my 15-year-old barely remembers the Clinton presidency.

Posted by: Beltway Insider | December 6, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey when I was 16 I was a robot. But jeese, I only wish I had thought of oral sex then.

Posted by: Jonathan | December 6, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Oral sex is NOT sex.
Bill Clinton said so.
I don't know what is IS -
but it is NOT sex.

Posted by: Oliver | December 6, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

[Let's face it. America is not what it used to be. We suck. And we're ALL to blame. We're gonna burn... just like Rome.]
[Posted by: Scuba | December 6, 2007 09:08 PM ]

yea ... but the question is when!

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

TO "tradeamerica": to somehow make it ALL the democrats fault that the GOP and the pages can't keep their jeans up is childish and sounds stupid; my 11 year old knows better!

Grow up, conservatives and quit blaming "mommy". Blaming others hasn't helped your (generic your) moral values any, after all! No-one made any of thse particular Republican pukes do nasty, unethical things. The simple truth is that GOP are NO BETTER "people" than are the Dems and never were. As if it takes rocket science to know this...

Funny thing.....there have been fewer Democrats involved in these same situations over the past 7 years. Yep, look it up, it's true.

Posted by: mf | December 6, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Why is this garbage featured while the Gitmo article is buried? One has to do with the future status of America on the world stage, and this has to do with... Well, fukk-all, really.

Posted by: mobedda | December 6, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

No mention whatsoever of party affiliation. One can only assume that the BJ couple are Dems and the shoplifters are Republicans.

Posted by: KennyBoy | December 6, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

clevepark : maybe, but I think they just hate Democrats. It's all about winning and power and money with them.

ddnfla : GIVE ME A BREAK! It's YOUR party who promised morals and delivered molestation of pages followed by a cover up of same. No punishment to any of the coverers either. Get over yourself, grow up and learn to take YOUR OWN BLAME for a change. Your party has had enough scandal JUST in the past 7 years to make up for 15 years of any Democrat scandals!

I'm sick of your parties demonizations and I'M NOT EVEN A DEMOCRAT!!!!

Democrats......that doesn't mean you aren't just about as bad

But these pubbies can't seem to be beat these days

Posted by: WAA it's all the democrats fault... | December 6, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like the members should have stayed on the board and the Clerk of the House should be the one to resign... she's ultimately the one in charge of the pages...

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I guess we will finally find out if the page program was on double secret probation...

Posted by: Mandy | December 6, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who think congressional pages are holdovers from a bygone era? I think it's time to phase out the page system -- and its costs. This no longher should be a career path to public service in the 21st century.

Posted by: Andrew | December 6, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelosi probably doesn't know the difference between oral sex & whistling "Dixie"!

Posted by: blueleadermike | December 6, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Can one get mesothelioma from munching on asbestos pantsuits?

Posted by: Paige | December 6, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

As a former page, I would like to make several things clear. I am not rich, nor are my parents politically connected. Girls and guys could not access the opposite gender's rooms. Teenagers will find ways around the system no matter what you do. I don't think two immature pages behaving in a manner that demeans themselves should be an inditement of any Party. We had so little freedom as it is, with curfews, bi-weekly room inspections, etc. We weren't even allowed to watch rated R movies in a public areas, aka anywhere there were decent TVs. There are really no ways in which the pages could be further restricted other than only having one gender serving at once. But really, if you think this is unusual behavior for teenagers, you are incredibly misinformed .

Posted by: Anonymous | December 6, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

The assumption that teenagers will follow an honor code strikes me as foolish. Even the seemingly most capable and honest among any group of kids are subject to wandering astray on occasion. They are practiced dissemblers and will not hesitate to prevaricate when they feel the need.

Posted by: stuck_in_Lodi | December 6, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Ic says,"It's disclosure!"
Look who's calling the kettle black.
Not to long ago I kept hearing, "I don't recall". And anothe famous phrase,"I don't remember." How quick the republicans forget. 4000 email disappear,reminds me of 17 minutes of blank tape.

Posted by: NancyP | December 6, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Just a few years ago, I worked as a page in the US House. While the actions of these pages are not commendable I would hate to see this as a reflection on the program as a whole. Most pages who join the program do so because it is an excellent opportunity to observe the political process up close, not because they are born to privilege or are desirous of a new scene. Most join because of a passion for the process. I would hate to see the actions of a few hormonal teenagers destroy the notion that these are people committed to participating in the nation's politics.

Additionally, to all of those who believe that the environment provided to the pages is not safe or poorly supervised, I would like to say that never in my life have I felt so protected and so conducted as when I was a page. I loved and would recommend my non-illicit, non-scandalous experience to any teenager committed to national policy.

Posted by: PageofPast | December 7, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

What did these republicans expect? They tolerate a Larry Craig, GOP senator who's had sex in public toilets and then lies about it, promises to resign and then lies about that too. Hypocrites.

Posted by: Steamboater | December 7, 2007 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Page Board needs to consider that the Clerk of the House has a rather broad work load and that the Page System might need to have someone hired who is focused on and responsible for the Page System.

A Headmaster/Headmistress who reports directly to the Board, meets with them weekly, supervises the academic progress of the pages, etc. might make the program more effective.

As I recall, a week is much less time than the Foley incident took from first indication of the problem until all members of that Board were made aware of the problem.

The pages who abused the trust placed with them have been sent home, evidently rather swiftly. This probably lets all the pages know that the rules are serious and there will be consequences for stupid behavior.

Rather than demonstrate party solidarity, the Board Members need to work for the benefit of the Congress, the Page program, and the pages themselves.

Posted by: mclean1 | December 7, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Where has the author of this article recieved her information? How can she draw conclusions of this program when she has never herself, put on the navy blazer, gray pants, and red and white striped tie of the US House Page? Fortunatly, I have been blessed tohave that opportunity. As have many before me, and hopefully many after me.
"So much for reform of the House page program in the wake of the Mark Foley scandal. House teenage pages are so wild and unsupervised..."
First of all, leaving right before the Foley Scandal news broke, and having a friend who was in the program when it did, I know that there were not many issues with the program to begin with. I compare it to the 10 congressman out of the rest who are infact bad people and give everyone else the bad name. 77 house pages, 16 and 17 yearolds, from across the country, and having only 4 this semester be sent home is an accomplishment. During my summer sessions no one was sent home, and one was sent home the session following me, the session of "Foley". The reason that they are sent home is simple. They screwed up. Not the program. We were all given the same page handbook, same lectures, same sexual harrasment video (hopefully a bit updated by now :)) and 73 out of the 77 this semester have abided by the rules and followed through. How can this author classify us all into a category of being wild and unsupervised? Has she ever been in the page dorm? No. Why? Its impossible. We are kept under the highest security with many backup security methods once actually inside the dorm, if you can get passed the 24 hour security guards. Once in the dorm, there are 2 boy wings on the 1st floor. 2 Girl wings on the 2nd. To get into any of these wings at anyday you need your swipe card that only lets you into your wing. At 10 each night room checked is performed and you are locked into your wing, even with your swipe card. If anyone leaves the wing a loud obnoxious buzzer sounds. There are cameras everywhere, and proctors on duty 24/7. For a girl or a guy to get into each others wing is definatly a challenge. Hence her comment about having other pages on lookout. Obviously that says something. IF the security is that tight to need look outs then obviously the security is not the problem, its the sad pages problem who screwed up an oppurtunity of a lifetime because they were horny. Do not put the whole program under scrutiny. Put those pages in the wrong under scrutiny. Talk to there parents. Lets just say being a US House Page is not the thing to do if you want to be a typical horny teenager in highschool. Its not possible. Going back to the Foley scandal, I know personally that myself and other past pages were incredibly upset with the page who was in the "scandal." My mother got questions at work if I was ever solicited and I got crap about it at school from people who didnt give a damn before there was a scandal. My mothers response was always that she taught her daughter better than to give out her email to people and talk like that with people. What happened to this kid? How come there wasnt any before? I also know, that Foley being gay had very little to do with it. Anyone who has been a Republican page, knows the congressman I am refering too, who is also gay, also a former page, and one of the best people we have ever met in our lives. It hurt to know that when this was going on that this congressman was all of a sudden under suspicion because he was gay and friendly. Working in the cloakroom I was able to get to know congressman on a different level then most. My self and the other 4 "cloakies" got to hear stories of why they were so passionate about a bill, eat popcorn with the congressman during votes, laugh about a funny joke, and get to know these congressman as people. Its hard for me to imagine that after this scandal happened that all of a sudden congressman had to be careful and not even talk to pages on the same level.
I suppose to conclude, I would just like to say again that it is not the program. It is hte person. I love this program as have many others before me and because 4 people decided to work very hard to get around the strict rules already in place, the rest of the former and future pages are once again tainted. Amazing how all anyone talks about are the negatives. How about the amazing success stories? Bill Gates? .... many many congressman and senators. If you take away this program you take away the future leaders of America.

Posted by: Drake Girl | December 7, 2007 1:55 AM | Report abuse

An interesting resignation letter. The comments here are making it more of a partisan issue then it is. The program needs to have oversight, she was on the board and feels if the board is not notified of problems, it gives the board and the program a bad name. She does sound like she hopes it will improve, but she does not feel she can reccommend the program to her constituents until it does. I can understand why.

The shoplifting is a big issue, since it is a crime.

The sex is an issue too. Especially since apparently whoever was involved, did not understand the need to be discreet. I mean these are pages in DC, you think they'd have a small clue about politics ...

Posted by: win1 | December 7, 2007 2:18 AM | Report abuse

the dems don't want the page system reformed. imo, teenagers should not be pages and should not be subjected to the dems. this type of work would be better suited for college graduates, political hopefulls. btw oral sex is just fine as dems are concerned, the question is, who was watching since it was in public.

Posted by: dwight | December 7, 2007 7:04 AM | Report abuse

if ther congress can't take care of a couple of kids, it certainly can't take care of America.

Posted by: dwight | December 7, 2007 7:07 AM | Report abuse

At issue here is the CLERK informing the Democrats but not the Republicans. The reason for that is to cover for the Speaker and her continued failure at leadership and the Dems LIES to get elected!

Posted by: FLA | December 7, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse

You all are IDIOTS!!! dID WE FORGET CONGRESS WAS CONTROLLED BY dEMOCRATS FOR 45 YEARS! When we got boatloads of scandals( supreme court judges telling Pres of future rulings)that is just 1. I am not repub am reg dem and am ashamed. Also, work in a newsroom and have heard this comment, "how can we pin this on republicans"? Let see rep in bathroom sting page 1- Former rep Ford sentence to 5 years in prison Page 12. If you want to be partisan cool but i am an AMERICAN. Stop the crap hold ALL these people to the fire. This never ends parties put out crap to fool you. 300 investigations of Bush in 1 year. And I see Delay is serving a long jail sentence too right? These people waste our money on this crap to fool you. Someone do the math and multiply just the gas tax and tell me we have a deficet. Quit being sheep. And some of you idiots want them to run your healthcare.

Posted by: joe | December 7, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

To whom it may concern,

I have been reading multiple comments that were in response to the resignation of the two republicans from the page board and I can no longer take any more.

The great thing about America is that any citizen to this country has the freedom, the right, to say what they believe. The sad thing about this is you tend to find people whom comment on things they are not educated about. In January of this year I was sworn in as a Page to the 110th Congress of The United States. I can remember the goose bumps I had the first day walking onto The House Floor knowing that the greatest governing body in the world presided there. I could not believe I was sitting in a room that has seen the impeachment of presidents, declared war, and even seen our country attacked. The room is just a room, but the people who have spoke there are what make it so great. Pages over the years have worked hand in hand with the most powerful and intriguing people in the world. They have seen that ANYBODY can become what these former and current members are. I personally have experienced what I consider the greatest educational experience in my life. I have looked the King of Jordan in his eyes, watched the first women speaker preside over the body of The House, listened to the debate over ending the war in Iraq, and was able to get to know one of the most influential men in our nation's history. That man was Congressman John Lewis. Mr. Lewis never failed to say hi to the pages and he never failed to motivate us to get involved with our future. This is a man who has been beaten to obtain the freedoms he had deserved. This is also why Congressman Lewis is one of the six major civil rights leaders in history along with Dr. King. I can never forget what Mr. Lewis once told our Page class. He told us that our generation is to quiet and if we aren't careful people will stop investing in our education. I AM STANDING UP TODAY AS A PROUD PRODUCT OF THE PAGE PROGRAM!

To the people that believe the page program should end because it is a waste of money, do some research. I'm sure if you ask Bill Gates whether or not it is a waste of money he would tell you know (considering he was a former page). It is scary to think that kids these days have no care in the world about what is going on. Pages are part of the very few kids that do tend to care and just because there were some Pages who have royally screwed up doesn't mean that others should suffer. I would give anything to be back in the Page program today. Despite what people think, the rules were very strict and the staff had zero tolerance. I support the staff of the page program 100% and will always be thankful for their strict and reasonable supervision.

Taylor Riddle
Jan.-June 2007 Page

Citizenship Award Recipient
2006-2007 Page School Year

Posted by: Taylor Riddle | December 7, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

During how many years of our country's history has it been commonly believed that 16 year olds could not manage to refrain from entertaining their peers with public oral sex? Is Extraordinary Rendition trying to imply that those who think 16 year olds can't refrain from this are intellectually superior to those who think the earth is 6000 years old? Because I'd say that the jury is still out on that one.

Posted by: Castorp | December 7, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

to much toe tapper going on in Congress these days.

Posted by: bataclanero | December 7, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

To all of you that are making these stupid a?? comments need to get a life because the kids are not to blame if they had good supervision this type of stuff should not have happened .I think all of this crap is political and both democratics and republicans are crazy as he?? because they use alot of these issues and publicity to get votes and stories against each other and I do not feel that they should send the rest of the pages home to suffer on what the others did being typical spoiled teens the parents of these teens who did this stupid stuff need to do what they did back in the days BEAT THERE A?? ! instead of talking to them like a friend..also how in the he?? can they say the other kids watched and they were not around if this is true why don't they look at the tape oops! if they have any to prove everything or maybe they are just giving excuses to save their own A?? !........NOW TAKE THIS TO THE BANK OR TO THE HOUSE!!

Posted by: unknown | December 7, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Rem wrote:
"...If consensual oral sex is grounds for expulsion, then, obviously, every member of of congress should probably be expelled. I..."
It is not the oral sex, per se. It is that the oral sex was performed IN PUBLIC. I don't know about you, but to me, that makes a difference.

Posted by: Lew | December 7, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

In response to the comments by people who believe they should be held harmless in this case, Pelosi and the Dems ran for office on a plank of exposing and cleaning up the sordid behavor of the high and morale mighty majority: the naughty Republicans. It is entirely appropriate that Pelosi and the Dems are hoist on their own petards and handed the blame for ongoing inappropriate sexual conduct in the Page program. Of course, the Dems might be thinking that as long as an old Rep is not involved and the kids keep it among themselves, the Rep resignations are much ado about nothing.

Posted by: Paul Garneau | December 7, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

In response to the comments by people who believe they should be held harmless in this case, Pelosi and the Dems ran for office on a plank of exposing and cleaning up the sordid behavor of the high and morale mighty majority: the naughty Republicans. It is entirely appropriate that Pelosi and the Dems are hoist on their own petards and handed the blame for ongoing inappropriate sexual conduct in the Page program. Of course, the Dems might be thinking that as long as an old Rep is not involved and the kids keep it among themselves, the Rep resignations are much ado about nothing.

Posted by: Paul Garneau | December 7, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: rUTH | December 7, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Did some of you posters read the piece? The Republicans who resigned did not resign because pages had oral sex; they resigned because the Clerk of the House, appointed by the Democrat Speaker, did not inform the Republican Page Board members that the incident happened and that the pages had been dismissed.

The problem the Foley incident highlighted was that only one board member knew of innappropriate emails, and the other board members were never informed. The new Page Board members were assured that this secrecy wouldn't happen again.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 7, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't it a previous president(whose name I will not mention here)who set such a "fine" example for our young people when he was in office? Now I hear he wants to move back into the White House. Fire all the pages before he gets ahold of them - again.


Posted by: Ruth Lindemann | December 7, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The Congressmen that have had sex with these minors should go to Rome and ask to be forgiven for their sins.

Posted by: burlupus2000 | December 7, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Monkey see monkey do. The pages see our
legislators giving each other financial
blow jobs many times each day.

Posted by: Objective observer | December 7, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

To Taylor Riddle:

Thank you for taking the time to defend the program. If it makes you feel any better, your clearly-written letter was a pleasure to read compared to the incomprehensible partisan invective spewing out of many of the other comments. Unfortunately, because of Mary Ann Akers' willingness to pronounce judgement with minimal information, many of her readers are now convinced that a program they know nothing about should not only be abolished, but served no purpose in the first place.

This is my first exposure to "The Sleuth", and it will also be my last.

Posted by: TEL | December 7, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Well come on Pelosi is from San Fran. How on earth can she come down on a little public oral sex given what her voter base is into?

Posted by: FLvet | December 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: joe | December 7, 2007 08:21 AM
"You all are IDIOTS!!! dID WE FORGET CONGRESS WAS CONTROLLED BY dEMOCRATS FOR 45 YEARS! When we got boatloads of scandals( supreme court judges telling Pres of future rulings)that is just 1. I am not repub am reg dem and am ashamed. Also, work in a newsroom and have heard this comment, "how can we pin this on republicans"?"

I'm going to go out on a limb here, Joe, and, based upon your spelling, your grammar, your lack of AP (or any) writing style and the general partisan craziness of your post, cry BS at your "working in a newsroom."

I'll go farther, and assume that most of the anti-Dem postings here come from the same few people, one of which has got to be you, Joe, since no serious follower of the news would equate the Dems -- with one year in power -- kicking out kids who violate the rules with the years of GOP predation on pages, and subsequent years of cover-up.

If the Foley thing -- and the real live years-long coverup of that -- wasn't enough for Capito and Brown-Waite to see that this situation isn't comperable -- then they are too supid and petty to be in any position of oversight over kids -- something that should be wholly non-partison.

In fact, given the continued corruption going on in Iraq, the billions being lost there, and the GOP obstruction of oversight or congressional reporting there, I'll say that Akers at the post choosing this little bit of stupidity -- WITHOUT asking the GOP Congressional Page board members why they aren't using their power to make a change if they're so unhappy -- shows she is on par with many of the posters here.

Heck, I'll go further and ponder that maybe Akers is posing as Joe. After all, he says he's in a newsroom, and he has no understanding of what a reporter does either.

Posted by: Lettuce | December 7, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"Let me see if I understand this. Members of the board that oversee the program are resigning because the Speaker who is not on the board did not reform them. Very strange. After all these are rich, well connected kids who don't have to play by the rules. Nothing will change that as long as it is a perk for supporters. Hire local kids and pay them for their service. By the way when I say local I mean natives, yes we do exist. Not well connected staffer's kids who happen to live here but are not a part of the community."

I was a page. I had no previous connection to ANY politics. And for the comment regarding paying them for their service, let me just say that all pages are paid for their service. I played by the rules. These are individual discretions that were committed, let's not forget. This was not the entire program going out on a heist nor was it a giant orgy. Be mature. Get your facts straight. The vast majority of pages respect and honor the responsibility and opportunities that come with a congressional page appointment.

Members of congress don't give out appointments like candy to constituents. That's not to say it doesn't happen. But that's why the page board was created in the first place, to make the appointment process based more on merit than politial connection. If it were based on more connection, I would have never been offered a chance to serve. I was asked to stay an extra term. Not because of my member of congress, but because of my work ethic. Let's not begin to stereo type. This is an American tradition that has been active since before the Civil War. Like Congress, it has it's flaws. But do not compromise in integrity of the instituion simply for the purpose of using it as a political platform to attack the majority part. Get off the soapbox.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 7, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

One out of every 31 American adults is, or has been, in prison. The only crime here is shoplifting, by one page. From my count, there are 59 pages. So they are less criminally active, or caught less, than the average American adult. Oral sex? So what? No one was killed, no violence done. And I'm still trying to find a post that doesn't have numerous spelling and/or grammatical errors. Maybe the disarray of your written thoughts is evidence of your disheveled minds.

Posted by: Ed | December 7, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

did anyone videotape? come on "enablers" ... get with the program.

Posted by: reality tex mex | December 7, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I am also a former Page who was not well connected nor do I come from a wealthy backround. The Page program is an institution who bases its selection criterion on well respected, involved students that have proven themselves to be hard working, mature young adults. Yes, every once in a while you will get a bad seed. That's why the Pages were EXPELLED and the issue was not brushed under the rug allowing the Pages to continue in the prgram. If their political connections were that strong then don't you think those connection would have pulled through for them now?

Posted by: Anonymous | December 7, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with these pages? 16 year olds attempting to get their jollies? What is this country coming to?

Posted by: jpbodyrocker1 | December 7, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

When parents send their kids off to Washington BY THEMSELVES they assume that a responsible adult will oversee them BECAUSE THEY ARE MINORS. Apparently our kids are not safe in the hands of politicians in Washington. Since the Dems are in control of both houses IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to make sure that the page program is run with integrity, and that our kids are safe. When anyone makes the absolutely assanine assertion that "all the adult politicians do it so why not the kids"? it shows that they're not fit to comment. And while it may not be a big deal for some of you that teenagers perform oral sex, it's not o.k. with the parents who sent them there and THEY'RE OPINION IS WHAT MATTERS, not some knucklehead writing comments who are not affected. THE DEMOCRATS ARE FAILING THOSE KIDS AND THEIR PARENTS. NANCY PELOSI HAS BEEN A FAILURE AT EVERYTHING SHE'S DONE. IF REPUBLICANS WERE IN CHARGE YOU CAN BET THAT THE COMMENTS BY LIBS ON THIS POST WOULD BE OUTRAGED, JUST OUTRAGED!

Posted by: DEANE PRADZINSKI | December 7, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"A source familiar with the incident - which resulted in the expulsions of two pages - said one female page performed oral sex on a male page in the page dorm room as the other teenagers watched. 'The enablers provided cover for them, the other pages were watching,' the source said."

Unfortunately, your "source" has it wrong. It's sad that you refused to double-check the story with others "familiar" with the incident before posting this on the Washington Post's website. Shame on the Post for allowing this garbage.

Posted by: anonymous | December 7, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

This appears to be a hack job by the author, who apparently was pretty reckless in her fact-checking, coupled with some payback for the Foley affair. To compare consensual (albeit inappropriate) sex between two pages with what happened with Foley is absurd. Four paricipants in the page program behaved badly, and were expelled. Doesn't this appear to have been handled appropriately? From the plethora of statements above by present and former pages, the program is not "wild and unsupervised." There was no Congressional interference or abuse of power in this case. What would the two Reps have done if they had, in fact, been immediately notified, except perhaps call a press conference?

Posted by: TwoCents | December 7, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

oh, for god's sake, abolish the program already, i was up there last night and pages were eating popsicles in the halls of the Senate. Kids and pedophiles don't mix, or shouldn't. Let those old codgers deliver their own messages or leave.

Posted by: cd | December 7, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Larry Craig should be called upon to supervise the Page program with his down home GOP American Family Values.

Posted by: Ben Matheny | December 7, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Ruth Lindemann like so many Republicans is clearly an idiot.

How is Clinton having consensual oral sex with an adult, make him a potential pedophile? As your comment about firing all the pages before 'he' returns implies?

Who cares? -- Other than perhaps the pages' parents...

Clinton was impeached for getting a blow job...

Bush starts a meaningless unprovoked war, which has led to countess deaths, a surge in oil prices, and the plunge of the dollar. He has violated the Constitution on numerous occasions, including getting rid of habeas corpus...

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." (US Constitution: Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2)

There is neither rebellion nor invasion, and the public safety doesn't require it.

Yet this buffoon is still in office?

Maybe if Bush sat back, relaxed, and got some head four years ago we wouldn't be in a quagmire today.

So Clinton got blown big deal.

Sex is not immoral it's natural. But Republicans, Crazy Christians, and Decrepit Old Timers perceive sex as bad and sinful.

Sex is Love and Peace.

Starting Wars is immoral.
Failing to provide health care for every citizen is immoral.
Running up the National Debt $1.52Bil per day, only to pass it on to future generations is immoral.
Guns and the violence they bring are immoral.
Arresting people for smoking pot is immoral.
Being Pro In Vitro Fertilization but Anti Embryonic Stem Cell Research, when they are clearly in the same domain is immoral.
Capital punishment is immoral.
Leaking the name of a CIA spook is immoral.
Claiming that Evolution is some how lacking credibility b/c it's 'only a theory' and that Creationism or Intelligent Design are expectable substitutes is not only immoral but stupid.
You want to know what's also JUST A THEORY...God, is simply a Theory. Has god been PROVEN (or disproven) ergo THEORY; at least Evolution is a theory based on observable events; and not the hear-say of uneducated illiterates sheppards thousands of years ago, whom probably thought the world was flat and that stars were holes that God poked through the curtain of night.
Pat Robertson calling for assassinations is immoral.

Consensual Sex Is By No Means An Immoral Act. People Have Been Doing It Since The Beginning Of Time; So It's Nothing New.

So clearly stupid Republicans and Crazy Christians have no understanding of what true morality is; or they're simply too stupid and ignorant to realize it.

Republicans Need To Go Out And Have Some Good Old Fashioned Freaky Good Sex. And Stop Worry About What Others Are Doing. To Each Their Own

When it comes to true morality the Democrats win everytime.

Posted by: NY 4 Obama | December 7, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if the Dems really reformed the page program or not. The Foley case was an adult preditor and underage boys. That was known and hidden for months if not longer.
Now there are two teenages engaging in what may or may not be consentual acts of a sexual nature. They may also have been performing for an audience. If coersion was not an issue, then they broke standards of conduct and should be dismissed. That is what happened. A week delay in notification is not a reason to get huffy and resign. Why was there a delay? Could it have been the result of investigating charges and verifying facts?
Apparently, what is trully lacking is supervision in the dorm.
If sexual excapades upset members of congress, then they should ensure adequate, 24 hour, adult supervision. They could also ensure separate housing based on age and sex. Or house them with area families. Resigning in a snit does nothing to change the situation. No scandel exists as far as what was reported.

Posted by: sandander | December 7, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

this is news?

lets just abolish the whole stupid page and intern program and replace them with robots, these people contribute nothing to society in the first place

Posted by: Lew's Mom | December 7, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

these events are not isolated at all. In the class of 2000, students were dismissed for a variety of different reasons, including marijuana possession, stealing, performing strip teases for congressional policemen (ironically enough, the policement were NOT fired), drinking, and a variety of other reasons. The Foley issue was known for years, told to heads of the program, and continually ignored!

Posted by: formerpage | December 7, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

24 hour supervision? why don't we just put webcams in all the room and make a little money to pay for this stupid program?

Posted by: Anonymous | December 7, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

How about all of you bashing on the program stop and take a chance to apply for the position (if your eligable of course) and see how incredibly hard and time consuming it is. See what it takes to truly get into the program. See how insanely hard you have to work your ass off to prove to the country how bad you want to be a page. Live in the dorms, eat the meals, sleep in the beds, work the job. Then you'll be the one eating your words as you realize that the position is not for ANYONE and isn't designed for "rich snobby kids." I got my paycheck cause I worked for it. I'm very sad to think that you might begin to belive that this amazing program (which produces many of America's elite) is a bad idea. Live it, then speak. You won't find a page out there who will say that the whole experience was dangerous and similar to a spring break vacation in Cancun..

Posted by: SUMMER 2007 HOUSE DEMOCRAT PAGE | December 7, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

just hire some guatemalans

Posted by: Mitt Romney | December 7, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse



Posted by: ignorant fool | December 7, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are self-rightgeous hypocrites who position themselves as protectors of morality, impose their arbitrary standards of what is or is not moral in other people's private actions and private lives and appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner, all while doing things themselves that are truly horrible, like raping children, just like the taliban and the saudis do.

Nobody believes a word they say.

The more a Republican complains about immorality of sex between consenting adults, the more likely it is that the Republican doing the complaining is banging underage boys, dogs and goats, while taking bribes and stealing from the church collection plate.

Republicans have zero credibility on moral issues.

Sending 18 year old kids to get blown up is what's really immoral.

Posted by: Republican=hypocrite | December 7, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Unfortunately, your "source" has it wrong. It's sad that you refused to double-check the story with others "familiar" with the incident before posting this on the Washington Post's website." - anonymous 1:37 pm

Anonymous, if the source had it wrong, how is it wrong? Without that, your criticism is no better than the sloppy reporting you're alluding to.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | December 7, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Zouk, you're on the wrong blog; this isn't The Fix.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | December 7, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

stop raping the Post

Posted by: Nor'Easter's mom | December 7, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I heard Larry Craig was behind the legislation that required some bathroom stalls to be wider and have handlebars on each side.

Posted by: Ben Matheny | December 7, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

(ref to Demo, Dec 6) Shame on you, Demo, for not reporting, but just watching. Maybe you didn't report it because of self incrimination.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 7, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Deane, Dec 7, Do you approve of 18 yr olds getting blown up rather than blown. I'll bet you were on the Bush bandwagon calling for Saddam's head. And what's with all this upper case stuff? I can just hear you screaming at poor grandma Pelosi.

Posted by: jack pollack | December 7, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Keep posting, Republicans.
The more you post, the more you motivate the rest of us to contribute to Democratic candidates and to remember to vote.

I was a registered Republican and campaign contributor until I saw what you guys did when Bush/Cheney started shredding the constitution. You proved that your loyalty is to Bush/Cheney first, the oil and defense companies second, and that you have zero loyalty to the American people, the constitution, and the principles America was founded on.

When your time came to stand up for America, you failed us totally.

From this point forward, my vote, and my money, will be going to the Democrats,
and so will the votes and money of several "rangers" I know.

You have pissed us off more than you can possibly understand.

You are traitors to both America and to the principles the Republican party claimed to stand for.

You SOB's totally failed us.

The Republican party I loved is dead.
What you've turned it into, stinks.

Posted by: Republican=hypocrite | December 7, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Don't get all excited. These youngsters are just following the example set by Bill Clinton when he was in the Oral Office.

Posted by: Tupac Goldstein | December 7, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

To the moderator:

The person who used my handle in his 4:49pm posting is in volation of the post's stated polices for this forum.

"entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed"

I did not post it. Someone posing as me did, in clear violation of the rules.

I also seriously doubt that the 4:50pm posting claiming to be from Senator Jim Web was posted by Senator Jim Webb.

Whoever posted it is impersonating a US Senator, which I believe is s felony..

Posted by: Republican=hypocrite | December 7, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

So tell me exactly what is your job when on the board? Do you police the pages? Teenagers that are away from home require 24 hour monitoring! The board did not do their job! Lets not fix the problem lets find someone to blame!

Resign, yea thats the ticket!

Posted by: Vicki | December 7, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Republican=hypocrite, you inferred that Jim Webb is posing as the Senator. You had to connect a dots to do that. Your "felony" is based on circumstantial evidence, at best.

As to your posting name being highjacked, you're correct, it shouldn't be done. Most people who want to satirize others at least have the decency to make some obvious change to the name, as in the 3:31 post. Your satirist apparently doesn't possess the wit to create something obviously different and humorous.

Make the false posting known, and then consider yourself a cut above the troll.

Posted by: Nor'Easter | December 7, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

End the Page Program period!

In this day of instant communications, there is no need for a bunch of unsupervised teens wandering around the capitol getting themselves into mischief at taxpayer expense.

Congressmen and women are not paid to be babysitters for juveniles delinquent or not. They are paid to Represent the People of this country and conduct the nation's business.

We have very serious issues facing us as a nation, it is just incredible that we are spending a minute on this. End it!

Posted by: Jeffery B. West | December 7, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The really important thing is for us to make sure that the pages are having sex supervised and safely, with safer guns and safer bullets.

Posted by: Nancy | December 7, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

Posted by: Republican=hypocrite | December 7, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

End this stupid program.

Each Congressman costs the taxpayer $5 million a year.

They -- and Congress -- don't need pages.

If they do, hire the elderly.

Posted by: RAS | December 7, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

president bush personally shredded my copy of the constitution and made me eat it i have video

Posted by: Republican=hypocrite | December 7, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

In any other modern country this would be considered a joke.

Of course young adults will experiment with sex. Its a natural part of life.

Our job as parents is to ensure that they do is safely, and with a proper understanding and consideration of the powerful emotional implications that come with the act of making love with another human being.

We try to select pages that are the best, brightest, and most ambitious of the next generation.

They are not children.

They are young adults.

We should treat them with the respect for their privacy and private lives that we would treat other young adults, such as college students.

In this case, it seems clear that the adults running the page program provide insufficient privacy for the pages to express their feelings for each other in a natural way, and treating them like small children, rather than the young adults and future leaders that they are.

In this case it is the "Adult Supervisors" as well as some of the puritanical posters on this board, that are acting like children.

Posted by: TreatPagesAsYoungAdults | December 7, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

We are witnessing the death of the Republican party. It has been a party based on war - class warfare, race wars, and religious wars. It is collapsing from within because it is based on ignorance greed, hatred and lies. All such movements eventually self-destruct.

This is just the latest example.

Posted by: RebublicansDiscreditThemselves | December 7, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

republicans hate america they are really belizians in disguise and want america to turn into a giant parking lot for their corporations

Posted by: republicanssuck | December 7, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

the republicans tried to shred my copy of the constitution too, but I mailed it to canada and it is safe tehre... for now

Posted by: republicanssuck | December 7, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

My daughter was recently a page. Our family is neither wealthy nor well connected. She entered the program on her own merits. The page program is an amazing opportunity and growth experience. My daughter is among the smartest people I know and the things that she learned in D.C. can not be "book learned."

In this case, the program's administrator responded appropriately and dismissed the offending pages. Lesson learned, case closed.

Now let's focus on the real secrets: NSA wiretaps of nearly all voice & data traffic, erased CIA videotapes of interrogations, extraordinary renditions of U.S. citizens.

Wake up. There are bigger problems than two teens involved in a blow job.

Posted by: Page Dad | December 7, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are playing the press and the American people like a cheap violin.

That this "story" came out just after Americans learned that Bush/Cheney knowingly lied to try to get us into another war in the mid-east, yet another Impeachable offense.

Bush/Cheney and the Republicans know that people care more about who's getting a blow-job than who's bankrupting the middle class and turning America into a bananna republic dictatorship.

Republican supporters, who proudly call themselves "ditto-heads" are the biggest fools. Bush/Cheney are bankrupting them along with the rest of us.

Financially, we'll all be paying for Bush/Cheney's mistakes and class warfare for the next 30 years.

Clinton left us at peace and with a huge budget surplus.

Bush/Cheney got us into multiple wars in the mid east, never found bin-laden, turned the surplus into a huge deficit, ruined America's reputation around the world, and thanks to them, oil and gas are three times more expensive then when Clinton was in office.

Republicans think its all a big joke.
Maybe someday they'll sober up.

Posted by: DontBeDistracted | December 7, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

We will throw ever single Republican out.
Lets see how funny they think that is.

Posted by: 2008 is Payback time | December 7, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

--republicanssuck--- you are a real life idiot, if you owned a copy of the constitution and if you could read and spell (tehre), you would not be half the smart a$$ you are. go to canada, do us a favor moron. you will fit in there (that how you spell that word). live with govt health care, a weak military, high taxes-- oh im sorry with govt health care you will not not live that long, all the better one less liberal!!!

Posted by: dumba$$liberals | December 7, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Put down the crack pipe, fellas.
You're only fooling yourselves.

Posted by: RepublicansAreDelusional | December 7, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

govt health care, a weak military, high taxes equals peace on earth

Posted by: democrats rock | December 7, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

(govt health care, a weak military, high taxes equals peace on earth) is this the best you can do? is this the best you libs have ? no wonder yall want to come get my guns and take away my right to make decisions for myself. (smoke cigars, drive suvs, carry a concealed weapon, not have health insurance, send my kids to private school, keep the majority of my paycheck, i could go on) one last thought and i`m gone from this site forever. look back through history and see when there was real peace on earth. was it 1973 or 1945? absolute defeat of the enemy is needed for real peace--not govt health care. duh!!!

Posted by: dumba$$liberal | December 7, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm very sorry to think that anyone could have this much hate for such an amazing program they obviously know nothing about. I'd also like to apologize for the plain and simple fact that we are ALL "well connected kids" (supposably rich too ha ha RIGHTTTTT!!) who bust ass for our positions as pages. We'll see you someday when you're working under us. There must be a better way to become involved in ones country than being a page right? Maybe we'd be better contributing to society if we lived off from our home states benefits such as food stamps and low income housing like the rest of America who seems to think they shouldn't have to get a job.

Posted by: A former page | December 8, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

To the former page: Don't other people's negative comments get you down.

There are a small number of very vocal people out there, especially in the deep south and midwest, who don't accomplish much in their own lives, but make themselves feel big and get their kicks from putting other people down and calling other people "immoral" because they have different beliefs than them.

These "moralists" are usually full of hate and hypocracy and often than not, live double lives, often doing horrible things to others. They talk about morality all the time as a way to cover that up.

There's a famous quote -- "We invited him to dinner. The more he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons"

People who moralize are usually hiding something, trying to cover up their own sins.

Never forget the story of Robert Hansen, who was a member of Opus Dei, went to Mass every day, and told everyone how moral he was, and how immoral they were compared to him, all while he was selling government secrets to the Soviets for a guick buck and getting people killed in the process.

You should be proud of your work as a page. If you had the chance to meet someone, fall in love, and have some fun, so much the better. Work hard, and be careful out there, but enjoy your youth.

Be good and kind to other people.
Respect their right to live their lives in peace.
Help those less fortunate than youself.
Never use or promote violence.
Work for peace, not war,
Thats real morality.

Posted by: MoralistsAreUsuallyHidingSomething | December 8, 2007 12:48 AM | Report abuse

One explanation of the Page program can be found here: . If that article is correct, it appears that it's far more likely for the pages to be, as 'they' say connected politically than not.

While I wouldn't begrudge youth from learning more about their Government, I have to say it's pretty obscene commentary about the US when teenagers not yet out of high school make a far higher wage (19k per annum) than millions of adults in this country who work perfectly honorable 40 plus hour jobs. Yes I know the pages "pay" for housing, but I don't consider $400 for housing, which includes (if the article is correct) 5 breakfasts and seven dinners weekly, comparable to any real housing costs I've ever heard of.

As to the Elite word I've seen scattered about above, hmmmm, my understanding of the founding of this country was a certain contempt for those who held themselves 'Elite' above others. Certainly, if one were to do their homework on Mr. Gates, whose name was also scattered about and used in connection with that 'Elite' word, starting with one of his first major interviews which was covered in Time Magazine in the early nineties, they might come to the conclusion that he was: incredibly spoiled, childlike and egotistical; demanded complete control; and was insanely ambitious; to name only a few of his personality traits . The last I heard those qualities aren't and never were equated with any moral high ground; lots of money and the power to engage in creepy social engineering, yes , but not the kind of high moral ground a populace should desire in their chosen leaders.

And speaking of that word "Elite," as I recollect one of Foley's most damning emails used that exact word "Elite," stating something to the effect of (paraphrasing here) 'if you want to be one of the ELITE, just let me touch you now and then...'

Lastly, of course teenagers are apt to explore sex, the scenario given above though, complete with an audience, is not a healthy and normal scenario, and it's a vivid reminder of just how low this country has sunk. I blame it fully on the environment in DC, the Republicans and the Democrats, there's a stench to the seediness, greed, hubris and power obsession there, and they no longer seem to consider themselves our public servants. Take a peek at HR1955 ( ), which 404 members of the House signed on to, for a real clue of the contempt with which much of Congress appears to hold the US citizens. they're too busy with "important" legislation to IMPEACH treasonous Criminals (with the sole exception of Dennis Kucinich), but apparently they have the time to vote for legislation which ultimately will allow them to lock up, and or institutionalize citizens who speak out against them.

I'd never allow a child of mine to mingle in DC before adulthood. your worse case scenario is Chandra Levy [sic?].

Posted by: DianeL | December 8, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

My comments from yesterday have disappeared. One of them was critical of the Post. I find that suspicious, unless there is some program I am not privy to that deletes comments based on space/elapsed time.

I am really alarmed at some of these comments. What does Nancy Pelosi have to do with pages having oral sex? And why are conservatives so obsessed with other people having oral sex? Do you conveniently forget Larry Craig, Mark Foley, Bob Packwood, etc. when these sorts of things come up?

If the comments here are representative of the Republican electorate, it's even worse than I thought. I had been giving you guys way too much credit. You clearly lack critical thinking skills (e.g., blaming Nancy Pelosi or Bill Clinton for the behavior of some teenagers) and put non-issues (teenagers behaving like teenagers) over real issues (like, oh, you know, a bloody war based on lies).

Sure, shoplifting is undoubtedly wrong, and having oral sex in an elevator while others watch is just in incredibly bad taste, and could have implications in terms of STDs. But millions of people's lives worldwide have not been negatively impacted by someone getting a blow job in an elevator.

Hey listen, Republicans: Bill Clinton didn't invent the blow job, nor did he invent infidelity. So really, just shut up. Your opinion isn't even worth considering if that's all you have to go on.

How different would our world be today if there was never such a thing as a butterfly ballot?

Posted by: befuddled | December 8, 2007 1:43 AM | Report abuse


If you have poor grammar and can't spell, your comments are pretty worthless.

If you couldn't pay enough attention to communication basics in school, you clearly do not have the capacity to develop critical thinking skills. Think very hard about how you are representing people who might share your opinion before you hit "post."

(This is not directed at people who have a learning disability or other cognitive/neurological disorder that prevents them from communicating clearly.)

Posted by: befuddled | December 8, 2007 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Sexually active teens...SHOCKING!

Posted by: art | December 8, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I grew up reading the Post and the Balto Sun and was proud of both. When I came to England, I was disappointed to see that the newspapers here did not report facts but opinions. Sadly, the conduct of the Post during the lead up to the war, and this flimsy excuse for a public dialogue make me ill. Isn't there a journalism school anywhere in America that teaches students how to to check to ask the tough to stay out of the pockets of politicians...and most of all, how to concentrate on subjects that are important to the nation.

Posted by: Jack Pollack | December 8, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

As a former House page, I'd like to remind the people reading this article that the vast majority of us are responsible and mature people. These pages are NOT representative of the vast majority of pages. The page program is a great program, in which high school students that have gone through a very rigorous application process assist members of Congress by delivering documents, announcing votes and doing other essential work that allows staffers and representatives to focus on their work. Please show some respect for the vast majority of us who have followed all rules. The page supervisors take good care of us. It is unfortunate that these 4 pages abused the trust of their supervisors.

Posted by: JG | December 8, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm a bit confused that only four pages are being referenced as being involved in the problem by some commenters, there is also the elevator "audience" and the two who held the doors open, to those who don't see how twisted that scenario is, especially for young and vulnerable teenagers, I'm not quite sure what to say...

Again, it's not at all abnormal for teenagers to have raging hormones, but it is abnormal and degrading and emotionally harmful for teenagers to be performing sex for an audience, especially when one party is doing all the gratifying and it's clearly not an "equal" exchange.

The "audience" and door holders in my mind, are almost worse than the ones who were ousted from the program.

Posted by: DianeL | December 9, 2007 3:40 AM | Report abuse

During my year as a page (1997-1998), many pages made boyfriends and girlfriends and this was quite lovely. It prepared many of us for relationships in college and beyond.

As the age of consent in Washington, DC remains at 16 years old, it is not banned for pages to date other pages. Many pages had their first relationships (both opposite and same gender) as pages. Whether your first kiss was at Annex II or in Georgetown, it was not forbidden.

Publicly displaying of affection was not allowed and led to a restriction of curfew, but it did not lead to expulsion. This draconian change to rules, which undermines pages from developing relationships, is quite unfortunate.

Posted by: Jacob Kosoff | December 9, 2007 5:00 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe how much this has blown out of proportion. As a former house page, I have been receiving emails and phone calls all weekend asking if all this stuff about the page program is true. Yeah it happened. Some teenagers screwed up...but that doesn't mean that EVERY former page, supervisor, teacher, or supporter of the program is at fault or to blame. It is not an easy program to get into, and we are not a bunch of sex crazed teenagers. Cut the BS and please stop calling us "kids gone wild." It is a disgrace to the tradition of the program, and a slap in the face.

Posted by: formerhousepage | December 9, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

To "formerhousepage":

You wrote: I cannot believe how much this has blown out of proportion.
How has it been blown out of proportion? There were two teeenagers performing a sexual act for an "audience" with two persons standing guard to insure the act wasn't interupted, and an audience. Well, 2 plus 2 plus at least 5 (the audience) = approximately 9 out of approximately seventy pages, over 10%. Then one has to take into consideration how comfortable that 10% felt that what they were doing was acceptable enough to their peers not to have them severely ostracized or penalized for it. I'd say one ends up assuming something is a bit screwed with the concept of acceptable behaviour among Pages in the "ELITE" Page program.

You wrote: As a former house page, I have been receiving emails and phone calls all weekend asking if all this stuff about the page program is true. Yeah it happened. Some teenagers screwed up...
Does your receiving inquiries that inconvienience you somehow make the event one that should just disappear from the radar? Further you sound somewhat like someone defending the Page system rather than a recent page, most youth have a radar about right and wrong and are quick to be angry at some outrageous act versus telling everyone to just forget about it and shut up.

You wrote: ...but that doesn't mean that EVERY former page, supervisor, teacher, or supporter of the program is at fault or to blame.
No one said they were, but there are culpable parties, and it does appear to be a system which lends itself to abuse by persons who consider themselves above most (an elite class), simply by the terms set up to accept naïve teenagers into the program and the rewards those naïve teenagers receive; rewards far more generous than those received by millions of adult US citizens when they perform far harder work than running messages back and forth while receiving a free, DC insiders private education, and near free board, paid for in large part by those citizens receiving far less money. (Not blaming the teenagers here, I'm blaming the adults putting the program in place and setting up the elite standards for it.)

You wrote: It is not an easy program to get into
Can you elaborate, there were/are difficult rites of passage into some of the most destructive 'social' programs/groups in society, and?

You wrote: and we are not a bunch of sex crazed teenagers.
No one implied the Pages were a bunch of sex crazed teenagers, most commenters wrote that it's typical for teenagers to have a healthy interest in sexuality. I for one, blame the scenario on the environment a majority of adults in DC politics have allowed to exist, not the teenagers.

You wrote: Cut the BS
Can you specify what the BS is?

You wrote: and please stop calling us "kids gone wild."
Can you point out the comment(s) where that was stated?

You wrote: It is a disgrace to the tradition of the program, and a slap in the face.
What is? And a slap in whose face?

You want to know what a slap in the face is in this country regarding its institutions and more importantly its justice system? HR1955 and S1959 are a slap in the face ( ), legislation which is frighteningly close to being passed, and will ultimately result in preventing persons like myself from even commenting on how pathetic and twisted it is that two youngsters are emulating adult creeps by performing oral sex in an elevator for an audience of their peers. A bipartisan majority of 404 House members voted AYE on HR1955, the same ones who pay teenagers to serve them while selling adult US citizens downstream, but are incapable of impeaching two Treasonous criminals running the country.

Posted by: DianeL | December 10, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Pelosi and the other democrats who admire and respect bill clinton are in charge of cleaning up the frivilous imitations of the clinton/lewinski capers in the president's office? gimme a break

Posted by: jake | December 10, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

If they had only been as moral and upstanding as my daughter (or the senior senators from other western states), we wouldn't have this heterosexual stuff happening in Washington.

Posted by: Dick Cheney | December 10, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Appropriate punishment was dished out for the inappropriate teen behavior. These young people are given an opportunity of a lifetime, and are paid for their experience. Considering the few "bad apples", I would say most of the kids are doing their jobs. It's much a do about nothing. Teens will always test and stretch the rules. We should not resolve such transgressions, by punishing the many for the few. Teens are special!

Posted by: CarmanK | December 10, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

this whole country is run by thieves and child molesters. No money for health care for you and me but these god-dam thieves got everything they want and are immune from any type of prosecution for messing with kids, and killing someone if they have to. Remember the GARY CONDIT SENATOR FROM CALIFONIA WHO HELPED MURDER AND COVER-UP THAT YOUNG GIRL 3 YEARS AGO. AND DON'T FORGET TEDDY BEAR KENNEDY AND THE GIRL WHO WENT OVER THE BRIDGE WITH HIM AND DROWNED.

Posted by: larry buckner | December 10, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please suggest to Pelosi that in her "Top to Bottom" investigation, she spend a little less time worrying about the Page's 'bottoms" and more about Impeachment as the proper concern of the country.

Posted by: Doubtom | December 11, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

you must be a tad ignorant. When the republicans were in charge, it was Foley Foley Foley all the time. Not a peep about this now that Pelosi and the virtuous are in charge. By the way, don't hide. Put your Real, full name out. and to the other (well one) moron, yes, there are hundreds of thousands of 16 year old kids who do not engage in oral sex. Now I don't know your kids, but you don't think highly of them.

Posted by: Jerry Stephens | December 11, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with the pages doing age appropriate boning? The problem is when older individuals use them, right?

Grannies, mommies, your kids are sexual human beings. Gasp! As young as 14 years old they are experiencing their drives! Oh, how awful - they are mammals! Sob cry, sob cry. If you educated your kids and gave them a sense of their own power to direct their lives this would not be a problem.

Again, the problem is with those pesky adults that can't seem to keep it in their pants. Why don't you impose sanctions on them?

Posted by: Xtina | December 11, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys. I actually was a Congressional Page in the House of Representatives this Summer. Let me tell you that it is a wonderful program.

The administration of the page program has nothing to do with the politicians in charge except for the few times they stop by to take pictures with us. Any lack of supervision is the fault of the supervisors who are hired for that purpose.

This is no reason to close the program. I don't care if you're a minor or 50 years old, your actions are your own decisions. If a page chooses to engage in something against the code of honor, then they should not be surprised if they get expelled. Why are we blaming anyone but the idiots who had oral sex in plain view. Let them accept the consequences and not ruin it for those of us who had an absolute blast in the program.

Come on.

Posted by: Will | December 11, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I am a former Page myself, for four very successful years, and I agree that those involved should have been immediately expelled, and sent home. That includes the two participants in the sex act, but also the "enablers" and "look-outs". They were each directly involved in this serious violation of the Page Program Honor Code. I would also ask about the supervision. Where were they? Why weren't they alert? I certainly agree with the in-depth and thorough review of how enforcement of the Page Honor Code can be strengthened, and to do so immediately.
Bruce (Former Page)

Posted by: Bruce | December 12, 2007 4:35 AM | Report abuse

As a mother of a former House Page, I would higly approve the program to any parent who asks. We are not well connected and we certainly are not rich. My daughter attended public school and for her it was an opportunity of a lifetime to be selected for this prestigious program.

During her time in the program I watched her mature into a thoughtful and caring young women with high asperations for her future.

The program gave her opportunities to meet and make many lifelong friends and also gave her some of the freedom that all teenagers crave, while still satisfying my need to assure her safety.

It is unfortunate that some young people did not live up to the expectations of the program. Swift dismissal was the right response. However, it is just as likely these individuals whould have discovered trouble by staying at home. Abolishing the Page Program whould make about as much sense as abolishing the Naval Academy because some students were taped having sex at a staff member's home.

Posted by: PageMom | December 12, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

As a former page I must say we do very hard work. It was not the most physically or intellectually challenging experience that I have ever had but it was the most emotionally challenging. It is for these reasons that such young people are invited to join the program. I doubt that many older people would put up with what the pages put up with on a daily basis. When was the last time you worked past midnight and then had to get to school the next morning. (Yes we were allowed to go to school late if we had worked, but it meant missing important material and all of us were college bound.) In addition pages are the very bottom of the governmental food chain, everyone on the hill it seems has the authority to tell you what to do. The time a page spends on the hill is not easy it is filled with long difficult days performing tasks which are often demeaning, being yelled at by your boss, the cloakroom staff, the floor staff and every single member none of whom are clear with what they want and all of which conflict. My father, a DAV has told me many times that he would hate the job. Your semester as a page is a formative experience, if it wasn't for the long term value that the government gets out of the pages the program would have been abolished years ago. The program doesn't serve a function that is essential unless it is preformed by young people. If you look all through government there are huge numbers of former pages. This is because it breaks you down and rebuilds you in a way that makes you function well as a government employee. I now work for the state department but on my first day as an intern in treasury many years ago I cried because I had a desk. For most people that is assumed in a work environment, for a page you take what you can get and you enjoy it because you have come to appreciate the elements that make the country great, but your time also exposes you to the warts of the system which, at least those members of my class all wish to change.
And as for those of you bashing my generation (not gen X or Y) those of us born from 1981-1995 are the millennial generation (Gen. x was between the baby boomers and us) you should read up on the facts about us. We donate our time and money on a scale never before seen among young people, we have a cosmopolitan worldview, we want change but we have faith in our country. (I am condensing articles from psychology today, the NY times and the deolite consulting group) So while yes we can be whiny and demanding and think t high of ourselves, what were you like in your teens and twenties? And further I hope that what I have said makes someone out there believe that maybe despite there lack of common sense (surely there is someone who lives in the DC metropolitan area who has a house you could be fooling around at, or get your parents to approve a weekend away, or sign out together- all things which were done by couple in my class who wanted to sow wild oats) and control over their sexuality (come on 70 some on 16/17 year olds this is going to happen) That perhaps despite these things maybe these are the best of a generation because as so many have said in reference to the "greatest generation" we are willing to take orders, to be the low man. something that many who do not have the page experience are unable to do.
So no, congress doesn't need these people to perform this explicit function. And yes there are people who do not follow the rules and can't figure out how to break them without starting a scandal. And no not every 16 year old can handle the program. Than doesn't mean it should be dismantled.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 12, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

In the Fall of 2001, as a N. VA native, I served as a Senate Page. I can attest, as someone who is far from politically connected or a spoiled rich brat, that there are students there that are rewarded from merit. Don't make generalizations on a program you obviously don't know anything about.
P.S. The only student we had kicked out couldn't keep up his grades and they held us to their high standards.

Posted by: Former Senate Page | December 13, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Is it on youtube yet?

Posted by: AEA | December 13, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Man, isn't it a shame we have to grow old. Look at the fun we missed out on, these kids are only living life. Is someone going to watch them 24/7.

Posted by: dras | December 13, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

style-206 said:
[So, a Republican is up in arms about two Pages having sex. Unfortunately, they have spent so much effort protecting pedophiles who prey on young male Pages, they really get upset in a boy - girl situation. Clearly, they want to keep the boy - man sex hidden, and protect the grown perpetrators, who just happen to belong to the GOP, Grand Old Pedophiles. Just where were these loud mouthed complainers, when the Party was protecting Mark Foley? Why is a known sex offender (convicted) still keeping a Republican vote count high. It sickens me to see what the Republican "Contract On America" has done to this country.]

Barney Frank wakes up from his nap, pounds his desk, and exclaims "hear, hear!"

Posted by: smellsarat | December 13, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Former page G and other pages and parents of pages posted the only sane remarks on this post. Everyone else seems to be a Coulter or Limbaugh wannabe.

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Posted by: mxsathfb khey | December 17, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Why bring up Mark Foley's name when former President Clinton demonstrated how acceptable oral sex is as a social activity by having it performed in the Oval Office of the White House...

Posted by: Carolyn | December 20, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Why bring up Mark Foley's name when former President Clinton demonstrated how acceptable oral sex is as a social activity by having it performed in the Oval Office of the White House...

Posted by: Carolyn | December 20, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

carolyn, you are just jealous that you didn't get to do him, Mark Foley is a republican and therefore evil, Clinton was a great president and helped us with sex education and cigar sales

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to good old anal sesx like Barney Frank is doing to his partners?

Posted by: Monica | January 17, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

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