Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity

Palin Saves Herself from Herself



Republican vice presidential candidate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks at the vice presidential debate at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 2, 2008. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)

Since Sarah Palin had nowhere to go but up last night, most everyone opining on the vice presidential debate thinks she dug herself out of the Category 5 Hurricane Katie wreckage.

But not everyone thinks Palin's darn-right, you-betcha folksy shtick will work in the long run -- the 32 days from today long run.

As Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi writes, "Palin's big problem, which is now McCain's problem, isn't ideology. It's her lack of seriousness, especially on foreign policy. That's no joke."

The Kansas City Star says Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Biden won the debate, in an editorial titled "Biden offered knowledge, clarity while Palin often ducked questions." The editorial concludes "Palin's dodges and gaps in knowledge gave little indication that she is ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency."

The Des Moines Register's David Yepsin writes Palin flat out failed in her first and only debate against "Say It Ain't So" Joe.

"The face-off between the two vice presidential candidates was mostly about her -- about her qualifications for the job, whether she could do something to fix her image as a lightweight and whether she could put the Republican ticket back on a winning trajectory," Yepsin writes, concluding, "The Alaska governor failed."

The Orlando Sentinel's Scott Maxwell, on the other hand, opines "Republicans can wipe sweat from their brows." He thinks Palin's Joe Sixpack appeal worked, at least for the moment.

"Palin played up the hometowny-common-sense-outsidery thing every chance she could. Sometimes she laid it on a little thick (saying 'bless their hearts' with regard to Big Oil execs, for example). But mostly, it seemed to be working."

And most everyone reviewing Palin's perfomance thought her answers sounded more like political Mad Libs than substance.

As the Detroit Free Press (not that Motown matters anymore to the GOP ticket) puts it, "For most questions, instead of answering, she looked at the camera and gave a sometimes disconnected set of prepared remarks."

CNN's instapundits thought that while Palin was more likable (54 percent to Biden's 36 percent), Biden overall won the debate (51 percent to 36 percent).

National Review editor Rich Lowry, one of many conservatives who acknowledged Palin's catastrophic performance in the series of Katie Couric interviews, declares today: "At long last the Couric captivity is over! Sarah Palin is free!"

But if you ask us, since the bar for Palin was so far below sea level heading into the debate, it's easy to conclude she won by sheer virtue of exceeding those dismally low expectations.

By Mary Ann Akers  |  October 3, 2008; 1:10 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Rep. Sherman, Not So Popular On the Playground
Next: Sleuth's Presidential Debate Watch Game

Comments


I was undecided before the debate, and I am still undecided. The debate was without fire works, Watching Palin and Biden Practice is much more interesting.
http://www.watchdebate.com

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Once again, Sarah Palin has proven she is not the empty-headed ditz that the WP and other liberal rags try to make her out to be. She did a fine job against a seasoned opponent. Despite the negative spin, she is a capable, executive officer with more experience than Obama.

Posted by: Not THAT Change | October 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Sara Palin's performance was "lipstick" on the pig. We do not need a 5 year undergraduate with 5 kids as President of the USA. I love "the cable guy". He is a folksy funny guy, but do I want his for President. Palin needs to go back to Alaska where they can govern with that level of sophistication.

Posted by: Sam | October 3, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

That was scary. Can you imagine that dead-pan, student-council, memorized-position approach to complicated issues governing the greatest super-power on earth? Alaskans should be embarrassed...

Posted by: robert kraft | October 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Since when does claiming to be a populist the sole criterion for being one?

Palin is and was the same person: well trained in the art of delivering precanned lines, whether they be through a teleprompter, or through a few sessions of cramming catch phrases. An inexperience hack devoid of all intellectual curiosity otherwise.

It'd help if the self-proclaimed populist answered the questions that were asked.

It is like a spelling bee contest where the contestants are prepared by cramming dictionaries.

"Ms. Palin, the word is INTELLECTUAL"

"Doggone it Gwen, I am not going to spell that word, I want to spell the word that Americans want to hear, because I am a populist"

"E-C-C-L-E-S-I-A-S-T-I-C-A-L. Ecclesiastical"

It was sickening when self-proclamation first arrived in sports, it is worse when someone who could be our President in the next couple of years overuses it.

Posted by: Shripathi Kamath | October 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

You spelled 'sheer' wrong in the last sentence of the article. Just saying.

Posted by: Dave | October 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

--PUT A PENCIL IN HER HAIR AND A WAD OF GUM IN HER MOUTH AND YOU HAVE THE SASSY WAITRESS FLO OF MEL'S DINER

Posted by: GMS.COM | October 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I watched the debate and palin hve no idea what is going on wiyh the economy in america I believe she is from norway or another planet.

Posted by: Eileene | October 3, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

To "Anonymous": Go do some homework on the plans each Presidential candidate has for solving the crucial problems we face and make up your mind based on facts.

Biden showed me why he's on the ticket. He's knowledgeable, articulate, passionate and direct. He will be an asset to the Obama administration and return integrity to the office of VP.

Palin think's Cheney's a fine VPand wants to expand the office's powers, falsely claiming the US COnstitution allows that. Her canned non-responses and over the top folksy dialect seemed like she was channeling Tina Fey doing Palin. And the WINKING. ARGGGHHH. Women don't wink during job interviews, unless the job involves dancing without clothing.

Posted by: Suzn | October 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

By the way, in your last line, it's "sheer virtue," not "shear virtue"!

Posted by: Ann MIchaels | October 3, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Since when do we not want a candidate for President just becuase s/he has kids?? Have we ever had a problem with a man being President becuase he had kids? Go PALIN!

Posted by: ET | October 3, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

t is hard for liberals to be objective, honest and rational. If they were, they would admit that Palin is better qualified than Obama to be President. So it is much better to have her as a back-up to McCain than to have a flim-flam artist like Obama as President.

Posted by: MCKILL | October 3, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I thought the debate went as I expected, unlike other democrats I have no delusion that Palin was going to perform embarrassingly. Her lack of respect for the forum and her refusal to answer questions made this an example of why people hate political debates today: the candidates stumped for 90 minutes and didn't really debate anything.
I'm looking forward to the next to presidential debate, I thought the first one was really substantial and informative for the voters from both candidates.

Posted by: Nicole L | October 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

She did a great job last night. She was able to show who she was without being trapped by a liberal media agenda.

http://www.FastArizona.com/McCain.html

Posted by: Brian | October 3, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Are there any undecided voters out there?

If you are those who have already commited,
you should not be posting anymore comments.

Independent and not-yet commited voter(s),
please post your comment(s).

Posted by: T N T | October 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I too was undecided before this debate, but now my option is very clear. To have governor Palin only a heartbeat away from the presidency of the United States with her reharsed, unclear, evasive, and deceiving ways in not only irrational, is irresponsible. I actually liked Senator McCain before this pick, but his support of Gov. "Plain" drove me to the other ticket.

Posted by: M Salaz | October 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I thought she laid the folksy act on pretty thick, and her accent seemed overly contrived. It wasn't that thick in her previous debates. I actually found it pretty excruciating to listen to for 90 minutes.

Other than the overly cutsy "dog gonnit" Joe Six Pack nonsense, she didn't do much differently than she did in her debates running for governor, which was answer different questions than she was asked when she didn't know the answer, and unleash a BS storm, laced with outright untruths and misrepresentations. Tragically, too many people in this country easily fall for that kind of thing.

Can't we just put her on a reality show where she belongs, instead of letting this actress hold high office? Then all the folks who like her can still watch her act every week, but we won't be governed by fools - again. I'm really sick of getting what they deserve.

Posted by: Teri B. | October 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If this debate was considered a success for Palin, I guess that I really missed out on the Couric interviews.

Posted by: Topsy-Turvy | October 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

robert kraft wrote: That was scary. Can you imagine that dead-pan, student-council, memorized-position approach to complicated issues governing the greatest super-power on earth?
----------
Yes, his name is Obama. His talking points during the debate on foreign policy were like reading a laundry list and he rattled them off as quickly as he could say them so that he wouldn't forget anything. He obviously was speaking from rote and it was pathetic. And Obama's had 20 months to memorize them; she's had five weeks, but is obviously a fast learner.
Has anyone mentioned ACORN and ACORN Housing lately? The nuts are about to drop on Obama!

Posted by: Jaycee | October 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

let me get this straight.

Since she didn't drool on herself she's qualified to be president?

She spouted talking points. that is all!

to quote her...

"I've been at this...what...5 weeks?"

Posted by: Thomas | October 3, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

As the Washington Post is a very liberal leaning news outlet.....is it any wonder that you have a conservative point. I am perplexed that the Liberals have forgotten the Joe Biden that could not stand Obama person! Sort of funny in a sad way.

Posted by: Barry | October 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I hope that the Democratic Party starts running a commercial in the battleground states called ABANDONED showing all the factories in Michigan which have closed and all of the people losing their jobs with the caption " When John McCain realized that he could not get your vote, he abandoned you..... which state will be next ?

Posted by: ron | October 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I thought Palin appealed to the average American very well. The last thing we need is someone who cannot relate to the American people. Just because you're a smooth-talking "sophisticated" speaker, doesn't mean you will work harder for Americans OR get the job done. From what I've seen, the "sophisticated" speakers have no one's interests in mind but their own. Don't confuse sophistication for leadership.

Posted by: A.R.G. | October 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Not that Change, how could you say that Palin is more qualified than Obama? Obama thinks before he speaks and does not often jam his foot in his mouth. Palin, on the other foot, knows well the taste of her own hockey Mom stocking.

Posted by: John | October 3, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

i never noticed before - and maybe it is something she picked up while practicing for the debates - but i hate the 'wink' and the overuse of the word 'also', also.
so i guess the critics were right - they said if you don't like her, you will find something to not like about her - i found my something - i just do not believe either she nor mccain are capable to lead this country out of this mess - no, i am not sure obama is either, but i am willing to give him the chance - i am not willing to give mccain or another republican that chance - palin and simple.
i mean plain and simple.
and why isn't anyone saying 'you may have said NO to the bridge - but, you KEPT the money - she did keep the money didn't she?'
and isn't the money the issue?

Posted by: troy | October 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how anyone with sense can see a Palin victory in last nights debate. I can't even get started. I guess we did elect Mr. Bush for two terms...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Lack of experience ( a matter of semantics) vs "good ole boy"...what a choice....If Biden was to take over the presidency....we would be back to square one all over again. The debate def showed us both candidates and what they are made of....or not made of....

Posted by: Mitch | October 3, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!! Not being from the US, it was astonishing how unprepared Palin was!!! What on earth was she thinking...this is a presidential run not a modelling stint where you look into the camera, give your braced smile and expect people to go weak on their knees...She had no clue about whats happening in the world (I correct myself...outside Alaska).

God save us all if she is behind the powers to be.

Posted by: Tanushree | October 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

There was no debate last night. The format guaranteed that no real debating took place.

It wasn't even an interview, as Sarah reserved the right not to answer the question that was asked -- and frequently, did not!

They should have had a scroll across the bottom of the screen: "Any resemblance between this event and an actual debate is purely coincidental!"

Posted by: bob | October 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

My favorite part of the debate was when Sarah Palin kept winking at me!

Posted by: Sammy | October 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah shamelessly trotted out the infant. Poor Biden didn't think to bring one.

Posted by: ericmiami | October 3, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Did anybody besides me think that they were watching a really bad Disney Movie last night????

Posted by: Topsy-Turvy | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Unlike many in Washington, Palin is not corrupted by the MONEY!! Palin, simple honest. Google where they get their money. Then you will know where they will stand. Its all about the Benjamins!

Posted by: Marcus | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Capable? Sorry, but I don't think the Sarah Palin version of "capable" is capable enough. This nation will require many years to recover from the Bush-Cheney-GOP assaults on our Constitution, our world standing, our economy. "Reform" is great, but what exactly will Sarah Palin do? Will she go up to our Congressmen, wink at them and say "be good now"? Somehow I don't think that comes close to addressing the roots of our crisis.

Posted by: JPMinNC | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Palin? ...more experience than Obama? What a JOKE! This doesn't even deserve a response in defense.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Palin is payign because she is Woman, I am surprised even woman reporters at CNN are so biased ? she did a decent job but they immediately start a negative propoganda after debate, it looks like they dont line republicans thats fine but dont give biased views

Posted by: MRN744 | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

When Biden undercut her "claims" of what she did in Alaska (arguably her only leg to stand on) her face tightened up, she looked down and started to get teary eyed. 2 questions later she attacked Biden in rsponse to it (out of turn from the current moderated question) as if she became a mean junior high principle. The chick is mean to her core and that's what came across as "New" about her. Her "cutesy" stuff is only cosmetic, underneath she's as mean-spirited, hateful and whacked out as Cheney... oh, and she wants more power than Cheney which is a lil more than disturbing to me. Her inability to stay on topic and answer questions AS PRESENTED/ASKED... falls right in step with long standing republican values of closed door deals, refusal to "testify" and general dodginess on issues. This woman should scare the crap out of anyone that wishes to cling on to any sliver of the America that any of us have ever fought for.

Posted by: a guy with at least half a brain | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I suppose that coming from the Washington Post this article is a compliment.

When will the smear campaign against Palin be renewed?

Posted by: Rick F | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I think CNN's Navarrette nailed it in the concluding phrase of his commentary (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/03/navarrette.debate/index.html): "Democrats ... have been hustled." Indeed, and not only Democrats, but Republicans and the People in general. So, the implication is that Palin is a hustler. I agree with this implication. McCain too is a hustler, as is Bush. Do we want hustlers as leaders, though?


Posted by: Jose | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding Not THAT Change? The debate was supposed to be centered on the answers posed to each candidate. What we saw was Palin regurgitating talking points that had been stuffed into her head by political handlers over the past week. What was interesting is when her talking points veered away from the asked question. There were several points where I turned to my wife and asked "what does that have to do with the question that had been asked?", she would just silently shake her head.

As far as the content of what she said, it was 95% political rhetoric. No substance. Vague generalities about the "mavericks" cleaning up Washington of greed and corruption....... OK, how are they going to do that?

Posted by: Jeremy | October 3, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

darn right Palin could put a sentence together. woohoo. It is scary to think that people would equate that with being able to interact with world leaders, foreign cultures or any thoughtful person. It's also scary to think that we're now seeing intelligence, education and experience as a detriment!!

Posted by: Carol Evans | October 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

>>t is hard for liberals to be objective, honest and rational. If they were, they would admit that Palin is better qualified than Obama to be President. So it is much better to have her as a back-up to McCain than to have a flim-flam artist like Obama as President.

and tis hard, it seems for conservatives to tell a joke when they see one or admit a huge mistake when they make one. More qualified than Obama indeed!! In what universe—the Republican less is more ware is peace and nothing is as it appears one??? She probably reached her level of incompetence when she was a small town mayor. She wasn't near Biden's league let alone Obama's!

Posted by: MCLooser | October 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Sarah Palin proved her ability to be the Vice President of America. All her speaches were with confidance and with courage.

She took everything positive and her ability to study the matters is reflected in her every words. At the moment Mrs. palin is the best candidate as there is no other choice. She proved that she is capable to make decissions.

This debate confirmed the Victory of Mr. John McCain and Mrs.Palin Team. Congratulations.

Posted by: Charly Padanilam | October 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Who wants a vice president who has to "just make it" through a debate without a catastrophe? I don't want someone who might just be good enough. I want someone who is smart, who is qualified. She does not seem very smart to me. I really thought she sounded like she was saying what she was told to say. We don't need another puppet.

Posted by: cher | October 3, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I watched the debate, and had a hard time taking the woman seriously. She dodged questions. I also felt that she was being very hypocritical by pointing her finger at the Biden and Obama. Her closing statement needs some work.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

First why was Palin's mic open and Biden's off at the opening AND closing of the debate. Perhaps a biased media "gaffe" hoping to catch an off record media sound bite? This event truly showed to me that Palin has been throttled back by the REP party.

I believe Palin won this debate. She kept ole Joe on the defense most of the night. And you who mock or question her intelligence - I would rather have one "dumb country" Palin over all these “intellectual brain powers” in congress -- ie. Nancy Palosi anybody.

Posted by: JunkKicker2008 | October 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

As an independent voter who's been complaining to friends for the past eight years, "If McCain had been President..." I'm glad the chances are that will never come to be. I've given Sarah Palin a chance. I respect her for moving from city council, to mayor, to governor. I think that's great. But after last night's debate it is clear that she doesn't really know what she thinks. I doubt she could even hold her own against experts in a debate about oil. She'd probably resort to the same insolence we've witnessed in her since McCain chose her. Her sarcasm and her inability to really engage in issues turns me off. I haven't seen her truly talk issues (like, a C-SPAN interview) at all. I thought I'd see that last night. McCain/Palin. I'm out.

Posted by: Jason | October 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

you gotta love it when a pundit proclaiming their intellectual virtue and Palin's lack thereof writes "shear virtue". my guess is that she doesn't even know that used the wrong word. The sheared sheep's wool is in her head. classic.

Posted by: adam | October 3, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

This column is a journalistic sham. Doesn't take much creativity or digging to parrot back the voices of liberal water boys and girls from around the country. Shameful. Go Sarah!!!

Posted by: John | October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I felt palin did much better job against Biden than Obama did against Mccain, Obama kept on saying Mccain is Right as if he never had a opinion.
But Media is so affectionate to Obama they immediately started saying Mccain did do well and Obama won great support, thats how they helped bush get elected last election.

Posted by: MRN744 | October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Palin is going to go down the same way Clinton did.

Posted by: J-Mizzley Mo | October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I thought Biden was magnificent. I have to admit I didn't know that much about him before, but I was impressed and relieved to see how insightful, experienced and deep he is. Combine that with Obama's intelligence and ability to inspire and the Democrats have a great ticket.

Palin was so substance-free and manipulative in her folksy language (and that wink -- yuck!) that I had a hard time listening to her. She said absolutely nothing -- just repeated platitude after platitude. At the beginning of the debate, she answered every question by bringing energy into her answer, and for the rest of it, just said some Hallmark greeting card kind of slogan to describe her views. My friend said it seemed like she was running for student body president. It is really frightening to think such a lightweight could actually be President of the United States.

Posted by: Barbara | October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is in way over her head. All the debate proved is that in that format she can dodge a question and go back to her hackneyed phrases and "hockey mom" rhetoric. Being a hockey mom (or dad) does not qualify one to be President.

Posted by: Larry | October 3, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I feel Senator Biden was the clear winner in Thursday's vice presidential debate. He was knowledgeable, articulate, and specific. Even though I do not agree with his positions on certain topics, he made it clear to me that own differences are founded in divergent assessments of those issues rather than a lack of understanding of them.

Governor Palin did as well as she could, but that acknowledgement damns her with faint praise. Her best simply isn't close to being good enough to justify her presence on a major party presidential ticket. She is not ready for this step on her political career path.


Posted by: jsr | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Where is Hillary when we need her.

Posted by: Arch | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Palin isn't intellectually capable to lead the American nation through such a testing time if necessary. She is a likeable person but that is not enough to lead a nation of 300 million people as also George Bush proved. People are voting to elect a president and a vicepresident and not American idol. Unfortunately McCain chose to blur this line by the choice of Palin in an attempt to mislead people.

Posted by: James Elwar | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

While both candidates made a point of standing up for the middle class, neither mentioned those who are in the lowest class, the poor, impoverished and hungry are forgotten, again.
I'm lucky to be middle class.

Are there any republicans that can pronounce the word "nuclear"?

Palin does Tina Fey better than Tina Fey, she is a joke, an unfunny joke.

Posted by: joe nathan | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Going into the debate, I knew very little of Sarah Palin and more than I needed to know about Joe Biden. I’ve never been a big fan of his and I’ve always believed that “experience” in national politics was a hindrance, not a help. Sarah Palin changed my mind.

Her “folksy” approach to debate was a huge turn off. She didn’t win my heart because she couldn’t win my mind. It isn’t even a matter of failure. It’s really a matter of indequacy. She isn’t fit for the position.

I was leaning in that direction before the debate, but I wanted to see how she handled herself against a strong debater like Biden. I was impressed that she did so well. But when she said that she agreed with Dick Cheney about the nature of the office of vice president, that was enough for me to decide that we don’t need a gunslinging social folk artist a lockstep away from the most powerful position in the world. Everyone would lose.

As a reminder, Dick Cheney is on the record as saying the vice president’s position is a part of the Legislative branch of government, not the Executive. As Biden so eloquently corrected him, that’s one of the most ludicrous assertions ever made in U.S. politics. His position in the Senate is simply to break tie votes, not to compose legislation or impose his will. He is first and foremost a back up to the president. Since Sarah Palin has the same view as Cheney then we will likely see a repeat of the types of abuses that Dick Cheney has been guilty of for the past eight years.

While I don’t share the bigoted views of Sam Harris regarding religion - I am, after all, a Christian who regularly attends a traditionally orthodox denomination - I do believe that Sarah Palin’s views on God, sexuality, and a number of other things is a hindrance to her ability to serve as vice president. And people who claim that they will vote for Palin because they can “relate to her” should have their license to vote revoked.

Well, now that I’ve gone over the line, let me say that I don’t really believe that taking people’s right to vote away is the answer. But I am fearful that America is being run by unnuanced thinking, primarily because of the widespread belief that politicians are there to serve the whims of the populace. There is no idea so un-Republican and destructive as the notion that the majority should rule in every situation. But that is a digression.

Palin’s Pentecostal parochialism positions the federal government to limit the freedoms of Americans who have, according to traditional Republican philosophies of governance, a right to pursue happiness according to the dictates of their own values.

Her cute, schoolgirl smile does not win me over. I am not interested in a friendly servant with a beauty pageant disposition. I am interested in a knowledgeable and effective statesman who will act in accordance with the law while carrying out his official duties. I do not like Biden’s politics and I disagree with many more of his principles than I do with Palin’s. Still, I can’t help but see Palin as a hockey mom and hockey moms may make great mayors of small towns in Alaska, but you can’t take a crash course in international politics and expect that you’ll affect relations with foreign leaders for the positive because you know how to cheer from the sidelines.

Sarah Palin’s oft-spoken assertions that she is a mother and working-class wife who can relate to the everyday challenges of American families is smarmy and downright silly. She isn’t running for president of the PTA. She is asking people to let her take on a position that will require her to consider many things that the people she can relate to so easily cannot understand and will never themselves have the opportunity to consider, and she must be able to think about those policy decisions using thinking skills that are based on logic, fact-checking, and analyzing complex details. Rather than demonstrate that she has those skills, she is busy conjuring “betchas”, “hecks”, and “gee golly gee-whiskers”, as if having the knack for speaking in Fargo-like colloquialisms is the highest qualification for the office.

Sarah Palin is a cheerleader. Her mentality is so close to the mind of Bush’s, the president with the lowest approval rating in history, that for anyone to consider her a serious candidate is more than a joke. The Bush-Cheney presidency has arrogated itself to starting an unjust war in Iraq that requires the poor and middle class to pay for with their lives and pocketbooks while the wealthiest members of our society profit. John McCain and Sarah Palin want to continue those policies. I would gladly suffer through four years of liberal social policy than to have to live one more day with the disastrous, cynical, and philosophically dangerous illusions of the neoconservative cabal represented by the likes of Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, and Sarah Palin.

What kind of vice president do we need? We need one who understands the Constitution from a historical perspective, not an ideologically narrow one. We need a VP who is in touch with reality and can distance herself from her hockey mom past. Anyone elected to the vice president’s position should have a background in making difficult decisions and looking at cold, hard facts. Disagree with his politics, but recognize that Joe Biden’s experience in the Senate is far more valuable than Sarah Palin’s on Alaska’s hunting grounds. In this case, experience counts.

Posted by: Allen Taylor | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen anyone comment on the Freudian slip Palin made, and I cannot remember exactly how it went... something like 'being in Washington "without" John'. Can anyone help me here??

Posted by: Rocky Mt Bob | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

She sounded better than any of her previous interviews, but of course it was obvious she had cheat cards to read from like the television prompter at the convention. And when she didn't have the answer on her cheat cards she would say, "I may not answer the question you asked, but I wanted to mention energy."

She giggled, winked at the camera and went back to her "sockermom", "mavericks" and her "joe 6-pack" dialog that's getting a little old since Americans are really worried about the economy and not silly references.

Curious to note that if Biden and Palen had their words / comments reversed last night, the Republicans would say Biden was very rude to 'poor Sarah' and unfair. It would have been nice to see the debate as equals and Biden not have to walk on eggshells because she's a 'woman'. After all this is for the same job whether you're a man or a woman..Oh yeah, does McCain's vote against equal pay for women doing the same job affect what Sarah would get as VP?


Posted by: Kerry | October 3, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The best line of the debate was when Palin said " Hey I've only been doing this for five weeks " WOW !!!!! did you really have to remind us ?

Posted by: Ron | October 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

You can really tell that the dems are scared. They are out in force today and extremely defensive. Dont be mad that Palin knows more than Nobama.

http://www.FastArizona.com/McCain.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I think Biden was doped up on Prozac last night.

As for the debate, I thought it was a draw. But considering Palin has been at this for five weeks while Biden has been debating in the Senate for 100 years...she more than held her own.

Palin made some gaffs, but Biden threw a ton of outright whoppers in a lot of his statements. Check the record.

Posted by: S Smith | October 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin- a Real empty suit. Republicans must think this election is an episode americas top model. She needs alot more practice. Not ready in 2008 maybe 2012?

Posted by: Hoffmann | October 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

no disrespect intended, but as an outsider looking in, I find it amazing to see how many people grasp to defend Governor Palin. Where the knock against Obama has long been his inexperience, I'm stunned to see how many people thing the Mayor of a 2500 people town can be a "heart beat" away from the presidency of the most influential country in the world. (particularily if that heartbeat is McCains!) I understand that, for the most part, if you're born republican then you die republican but I would implore you all, cast your ballot based on the platforms, not the fluff. Obama may not be a 70 yr old with 30 yrs of Senatorial experience but his camp at least addressed that need with Biden and some solid, and at times conservative, policy ideology. McCain's camp took advantage of the spurnned Hillary voters, nothing more. Anyone who would have supported Hilary can now support Palin. Good luck, you're friends up North are pulling for you all!

Posted by: bgb | October 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin told the TRUTH. Biden did not tell the TRUTH. Who would be a better President, we know WHO is the better person.

Posted by: J Z S | October 3, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I was somewhat on the fence but last nights debate brought out that Biden brings no change and after 35 years, has little to show. Obama also has even less except writing two autobiographies of himself and never once has he reached across the aisle to work with other side. Lets face it, McCain is the only ticket that offers real potential change and not mindless dribble backed with no experience!

Posted by: Paul PA | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Palin is barely even a skilled politician, let alone a justifiable vice-presedential candidate. What's she going to say to Putin? 'Well doggone it, welcome to the White Howse! May I call you Vlady?' She would leave America incredibly vulnerable and seemingly unprotected. The idea of either McCain or Palin getting anywhere near our White House sends a cold chill down my spine.

Posted by: Lisa | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, I certainly think the Washington Post should know when things have nowhere to go but up. If it weren't for the Sports section and the Sunday coupons there would be no real reason to read it.

Posted by: Matt | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I can deal with another eight years of hearing the word "NUCULAR"....how hard is it to say "nuclear"?

Posted by: Me! | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

this is no joke, American. It is serious, the country is in deep trouble, domestic & global, we can't afford to have VP (potential Pres due to McCan age & health) as Palin. She is not a serious candidate, how will she respond to Global Leaders or lead them .. with a wink? and language like 3rd grader?
She gets away because she is white female and good looking (not for my taste)

Posted by: Katy | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

People who think Palin, in her folksy dogonnit way, is qualified for Vice Presidency are the same people who thought Bush, in a similar way, was qualified for Presidency. These people are absolutely wrong on the former, demonstrably and catastrophically wrong on the latter. The question is, have any of the people in the latter category seen and learned enough over the past 8 years to change their votes.

Posted by: sabajperez | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine her winking at some foreign leader during trade talks: "Well goodness golly Mr Hu, I'm a gonna get back to ya on that tax question, uh hunh you betcha!"
NO!! Folksy campfire talk does not cut in politics or in business. It just doesn't.
Even the purchasing manager of Home Depot in Des Moines knows that!

Posted by: granny goose | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Great article! One of the reasons why McCain camp is loosing the ground is people are a lot more serious this time around. American people took the Election after a grand boost given to the country by Bill Clinton. Now America is in a deep deep hole. Sarah Palin with her limited knowledge will be a scary choice. I can't believe her being a president of this country. Somebody should wake mid-westerners up, shake them and make them realize what a blunder it will be. We need sensible President, one who has the temperament, judgment and good intentions.

Posted by: Tiger.. | October 3, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I believe Palin won this debate. She kept ole Joe on the defense most of the night. And you who mock or question her intelligence - I would rather have one "dumb country" Palin over all these “intellectual brain powers” in congress -- ie. Nancy Palosi anybody.

Posted by: JunkKicker2008

^^^^^ This is why the country is so F--Ked up. White trash high school drop outs liek this idiot.

You'd rather have an idiot than an intelligent person a heartbeat away? THe fact that you werent even ashamed enough to keep that to yourself is pathetic.

PLEASE DONT VOTE.

And yes, if you consider not answering any questions and feeding complete bullsh!t to the half-a-retards in the miswest and south then yes she did well.

However if you have an IQ in the triple digits you saw what I saw last night. A complete moron reading answers verbatum from her paper.

Pathetic.

Posted by: JN | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

They set her up to go into the debate giggling like a school girl and to take sharp jabs at Bidden. She did not answer questions directly instead she deflected, giggled, and tried to play folksy. I must say it did catch Biden by surprise about two times and you could see his anger and frustration build towards the end, especially when he began to talk about Chaney. *Note this, she did trip up Biden on his "George Bush" attacks. But in essence she spent most of the debate dodging questions, trying to play "cute", and giggling like a drunk blonde.

Everyone was expecting her to mess up and say something stupid, it is common knowledge that Biden is a straight shooter and goes directly into the facts, it is in his personality. *To be honest, I think Biden was scared to directly go after her for fear of the "sexist" card been played.

But if this nation was so hell bent on "having a beer" with the current President, I guess a few "gosh darns" should put everyone at ease as well.

Posted by: professionalism | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

As a republican, I was seriously considering jumping ship to the Obama/Biden camp. However, one sentiment expressed by Biden last night changed my view. How in the heck can Biden declare that he and Obama will grant rights to same-sex couples when the vast, vast majority of states are against it? Obviously, the Obama/Biden camp desires to push a socially liberal agenda should they make it to the White House. Despite what some movie stars may publicly say, the VAST majority of people in the U.S. wish that marriage stay the same as God intended it to be..... between a MAN and WOMAN!!!!! Like it or not, you people who think that homosexuality is okay are in the minority, and will, prayerfully, stay in the minority.

Posted by: Dianna | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Reading some of the rational of the posters on here sickens me. How can someone actually say that Palin is better suited for the job of presidency than Obama? Are you for real? And what are you basing your opinion on? Fox news?
To say a woman who was governor of a small town in Alaska, only 22 months ago, is better prepared for the office of presidency than Obama is just ludicrous. Stopping putting your heart before your head American and wake up. Real change is coming with Obama.

Posted by: babigos | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

What about Palin's closing statement? To quote: "We don't pass it to our children in the bloodstream; we have to fight for it and protect it, and then hand it to them so that they shall do the same, or we're going to find ourselves spending our sunset years telling our children and our children's children about a time in America, back in the day, when men and women were free."

Is that weird? Am I the only person who thought that was weird? Who is going to enslave us? The commies? The class warriors?

Posted by: EzraFreeman | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Right now, Palin has the qualifications for being a "First Lady" with her looks, style and charm, but that is as far as it goes.

Posted by: Bobbie O'Neill | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Always find it interesting how critical voters become so much better than those going for the job.

Posted by: Matt | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Her "There you go again, Joe" attempted to show herself another Reagan, and to win the debate with a quip. Her "I'm glad I'm an outsider" merely shows she is still just a hack politician, using pep rally GOP political jargon. It's no wonder the polls are showing that old stuff isn't selling this time around. Knowing smirks and winks aren't either.

Posted by: notamused | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The WP seems to be impressed with Bidens "knowledge", but is too busy smearing Palin to check the facts on Bidens claims. He did vote for the war and obama did vote for not funding the troops. What a shame

Democrats have had majority in congress and look at the mess we are in. Look at banking...dems control it and both parties stuff money in their pockets.
For me, she had me with "I'm a washington outsider"...

Posted by: sam cunningham | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Why is Media so much in love with Obama, it sang songs of fear and war with bush last election got him elected and then started cusring him now they are singing with unexperienced Obama

why is it bisased so much ?

How can you compare 2 different people if Mccain is like bush then will Obama like clinton did with Monica ? its completely unjustified

Posted by: MRN744 | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I would hope Palin would be our next vice-president I Think Palin won the debate.

Posted by: dorothy starkey | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

That some articles are suggesting that Palin did not do too badly in the debate is very scary. She dodged questions. There was no substance in what she was saying. Biden just showed his vast experience once more. If people are going to vote for Palin b'cos she can relate to the problems of the common american, they just need to take a step back and think how the mccain/palin tax plan is going to change their lives!

Posted by: Visa | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I find it humorous that those who are set to vote "democrat" have huge issues with ANYONE who is running against them. There is no logic or common sense, it is just an emotional tirade against anyone who doesn't think their way. Please...think for yourselves rather than having the press and govt think for you.
(even this article is slanted using quotes and assumptions from the left - ie. "most everyone thought her answers Mad Libs"?? I doubt MOST EVERYONE thought that)

I honestly think all politicians are just a bunch of "used car salesmen" including the compulsive liar (Joe Biden), the friend and associate of losers, terrorists and anti-america ministers, (Obama), and the long time self centered, anger management candidate John McCain. Sarah Palin is a breath of fresh air to this Washington DC mess.

I would love to have someone (an outsider) come in a help clean up the "illogical mess of DC"..and I don't care which party.

Posted by: BR | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

It's fascinating that voters who are engaged here and actively reading political articles and blogging, do not value intellectual superiority in a candidate. I admire Obama and Biden for their intellectualism and their ability to see the many angles of the complex problems facing our world. I hope we the people elect the best leader possible, not vote for someone to whom we can relate.

Posted by: Lynne | October 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

OMG! Dye her hair all the way blonde and I swear I was listening to Elle Mae Clampett. I truly beleive that Gov Palin is a likeable person. But she is so far removed from what she needs to know to even think about becoming the VP (let along, God forbid, President) it's not funny. I don't know who's more to blame. McCain for picking her to satisfy a political need or Palin for accepting, knowing she was not qualified. Applaud Chaney for being flexible, indeed!! Geez whiz, Beav. Stop giving us the business!

Posted by: BIG RON | October 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I think one of my favorite Biden qoutes of the night was when asked about his Achilles heel. His response "I've been in congress 30 years and I'm not going to CHANGE".

I paraphrase but, Tvo it. He said that... Isnt he on the party of CHANGE?

Posted by: JunkKicker2008 | October 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Everyone for Obama wants to question Palin's experience. - Have you looked at Barry's resume. It is horrendous! At least she has experience running something. Barry's associations with questionable people should make some Democrats question his judgement.
-No, they will overlook any and all things about him that may not reflect well.
Bill Ayers? Rev. Wright? Rezko? - You never heard these mentioned on major networks?
I'm sure we would have if Palin ran with these kind of people.

Posted by: Fred W. | October 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The VP debate showed how desperate partisan politics has become. The fact that Gov. Palin can be seriously considered for the office of VP is frightening, but even more frightening is the fact that some citizens believe that there is some actual substance beneath Palin's sizzle.

Posted by: MrModerate | October 3, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I believe the common regular American Citizen...Yes...the American People have spoken....We "LOVE" Sarah Palin.
Cry all you want...Jesus was also criticized and you just won't accept her either. On V-Day you will finally have to hide your pride and foolishness.

Posted by: Mario | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jaycee. Like Palin, you're not addressing what the article is about. Spouting anti-Obamaism's doesn't address her inability to lead a country. Nor does picking on Obama make John McCain any more qualified. It's too bad that most conservatives feel that picking the other candidate apart is the way to bolster their own candidates credentials.

Posted by: Ed Grimley | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin is Unqualified! She displayed it again last night. She was born in the town I live in and thank god she moved out. Her folksy ways and ability to dodge questions throughout the debate was her way of saying 'IDK'. I would respect her more if she would just admit she doesn't have an answer/doesn't know the subject. I am a republican, but this year for the first time in my life, I may vote democrat. Can you imagine her sitting down with world leaders? Would they take her seriously with you betcha, darn it, etc? I just don't understand how people think her folksy ways correlate into representing the American people!

Posted by: Sandpoint Idaho | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Biden's smirk said it all for me. I had the impression he thought he was a much better candidate by just those smug looks. What he needs to realize is that the common folk are sick of people like him not ever taking a stand and staying with it. He's no different than Clinton and will vote with whatever the polls tell him. Palin and McCain will both do what is right, whether that means a popular or unpopular decision. Plus, I would never trust any man that gets hair plugs and does not just shave his head like a man when he loses his hair.

Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Palin was actually elected in Alaska? Kind of how GWBush was elected in TX. Figurehead governors of their respective states.

Bush (former oil co. figurehead) is currently figurehead President while Cheney (former oil exec)violates the Constitution at will.

The only question is who is really running Alaska? It's not Palin (unless it's her husband--that Palin). I will vote for Obama/Biden since the alternative is as frightening as Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: Osvaldo | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain and Governor Palin,are what the World needs, Obama and Biden are too slippery by far.

Posted by: Jeff Sherwin | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Hos is Obama more better than Palin can some one explain ? whats wrong other way ?

Posted by: MRN744 | October 3, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Akers,

Very nice summary. Thanks.

Posted by: David Holzman in Lexington MA | October 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Jaycee, did you even WATCH the debate? She did not answer a single question. All she did was release "canned" responses and refuse to answer anything. She also kept repeating the "Obama will raise taxes" crap, even after Joe CLEARLY nullified the accusation


What really pissed me off was that winking!!! SERIOUSLY PISSED ME OFF!!! You are running for the presidential position dammit, not trying to seduce a man and make 50 bucks!!!

Posted by: Al-Dabbas | October 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I've noticed a very tell-tail trend during this election cycle. The media has been at odds with our citizens. The Republican ticket has time and time again been given the victory flag BEFORE public opinion can be calculated, and in many cases, IN SPITE OF reaction from the general public which TOTALLY CONTRIDICTS the media spin IN REAL TIME AS IT'S BEING REPORTED!

Last night, almost all "TV" Media was weighing in on a Sara Palin victory, at the same time, poll after poll was pouring in showing that the viewing public felt Joe Biden won BY A LANDSLIDE!

The most embarrising Coorporate Media Shill game had to be what happened at the MSNBC News website, their headlines claimed a decisive victory by Sara Palin over Joe Biden, yet results of a poll TAKEN BY MSNBC and displayed on THEIR VERY OWN WEBSITE, AT THE SAME TIME claimed viewers thought Joe Biden was the victor by over a 75% MARGIN

Posted by: Chuck Glisson | October 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Palin did a great job in the debate...maybe people need to look closer as to why in the world would you even think about having Obama as a President.....He hasnt done anything as a senator so start asking him the hard questions

Posted by: John Anderson | October 3, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

As we've all seen in the last 8 years, even an idiot who couldn't win a debate to save his own life can be voted into the nation's highest political office (for 2 consecutive terms no less). I can only hope we can get some kind of true leadership back into office before the current administration destroys what's left of our nation's economy and/or any remaining credibility we have on the world stage. Only then can we return our soldiers to their homes, support their emotional and physical recovery, and seek forgiveness for the harm done to all those not responsible for the "terrorist acts" of King George W.

Posted by: pcrussell | October 3, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Say it ain't so Joe, those darn'd oil execs, bless their hearts and their record high oil prices, let me hand out $3,200 checks to each and every gol'darned Alaskan. So that makes me the most popular Governor of one of the least populated states. Did I mention it also makes me an expert on energy?

Posted by: Russell Todd | October 3, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Palin survived the debate with a written script which she often appeared to be reading from. No matter what the question was she threw in a part of her script. Maybe its time to re-think how these debates are conducted? In its current form, it is not exactly a debate. In the case of Palin, it was like she was delivering a speech in installments.

Posted by: Pran | October 3, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I wasnt looking for fireworks to help make my decision. I was listening for issues and substance to move America forward. I have my answer who it is and Biden confirmed my choice of confidence.

Obama and Biden 2008 V

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The deal is now sealed for me. Palin is not qualified nor intelligent enough to be a heart beat away from the most powerful position in the world. McCain blew it big time choosing her and beating the "Maverick" drum.

I demand a president who is intelligent enough to handle foreign and domestic challenges and LEAD! I am so disappointed. The folksy crap may lure simpletons who want to have a beer with joe six-pack but I want leaders smart enough to address the worlds very real problems and McCain\Palin are not it.

Posted by: Republican for Obama | October 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Palin is George W. in lipstick and pumps. Eight years of hometowny-common-sense-outsidery --I'd most like to have a beer with Bush --has destroyed this Country.

Change is coming! Obama/Binden!!!!!

Posted by: sick&tired | October 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

That's right JN, let's round up all those midwest retards and herd 'em into extermination camps. Love the tolerance from the Nobama crowd.

I'll take common sense over psuedo-intellectual hogwash any day of the week. Nobama has even less experience than Palin, and HE's running at the top of his ticket.

I love how experience is an issue with her, but not with him. And although she's portrayed as a ditz, I haven't heard her refer to 57 states, like Barry has.

Posted by: Scott | October 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Palin was like a cheerleader running for homecoming queen. It was horrible. She said nothing. She repeated her talking points poorly. Then she chose the questions to answer and then her answers were canned. You could tell she had nothing to say after she recited her canned answer. Shes would lie and Joe would correct her and she would stand there. This woman can not be allowed in the white house even just for dinner. Send her quickly to Alaska. the world has laughed at us for eight years. Enough!! I really didn't think there was a person more unqualiified than Bush, but she makes Bush look like at least a D student now. The only thing missing last night was bubble gum in her mouth.

Posted by: Honey Rogers | October 3, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

BIDEN WILL DROP OUT!!!!!! This debate will not matter in 2 weeks. He will drop out and Obama will elect Hillary as his VP. Just watch. This will be the best move ever by the Democrats. He already said Hillary would be a better VP. Its about to get crazy!! You can already smell the estrogen.

Posted by: Castro | October 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

How does being the Governor of a state rarely remembered make someone qualified for the second most powerful position in the most powerful country in the world? A well rounded, well educated person would have no trouble answering questions directly and clearly. To dodge questions and fill every spare moment with Golly Jee's makes me think that we would be sending Antie Ann out in the world to represent me. How can there be any comparison between a man with proven political standing like Biden and a backwoods soccer mom that got elected to a powerful position in a readheaded step child state? Golly Jee folks, I promise I passed my history class, just ask my pregnant teen daughter. I'm a model of the American Dream.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

i'm amazed some people cant see the fact that palin didn't answer any of the questions but spouted canned answers that made no sense. everytime she started talking, she went back to energy and mavericks. anyone who can't see past that is a complete and total idiot.

Posted by: ted | October 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

When the bar is set so low--below "sea-level"--no one wins merely because they didn't flounder totally. If anything, Palin pails in comparison to a qualified diplomat and national leader. She deserves no praise for such a weak performance. Biden did well to meet expectations, and Palin certainly met expectations. "Joe six-pack" is awfully derogatory in reference to modest Americans, such politics should be condemned. America is one heart attack away from a Palin presidency.... Surmise their expectations as you wish, but in terms of substance (quality)--Palin flops dismally.

Posted by: Sextus Empiricus | October 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Bibigos, just a quick reminder.

Obama is running for President, Palin is running for VP

Posted by: Brad | October 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I really cant't believe any one could think that this woman, would be qualified to be President! On other hand, I thought the same about George Bush!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I live in Alaska and attended Gov. Palin's inagural ball. I put aside party politics for one night to help Gov. Palin celebrate history in the making; the first woman to be elected Alaska's governor.
I hoped that Palin wouldn't fall flat on her face in the VP debate. Thank God she managed to stay standing and not faint from the pressure. I didn't think it was professional to keep winking into the camera. What was she thinking?
After Palin's national introduction, Alaskans now know more about her than what was brought out in her gubernatorial campaign. Hiding her own seven month pregnancy from the public; having an affair with her husband's business partner; hiding her teenage daughter's pregnancy, being dishonest about injecting her religious beliefs into state politics after she was elected governor; lying about why she terminated her appointed public safety commissioner and blah, blah, blah.

She doesn't deserve a second term as Alaska's governor. It's time to throw the hypocritical rascal out (THRO).

Posted by: Alaskan flaming liberal | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Pundits and common-folk alike can critique the delivery of a certain candidate (too folksy, too rigid, too frigid, too wordy, etc) and on that account, the debate was a wash. Additionally, neither candidate addressed any issue with concrete answers...to expect anything else is foolish. What truly matters in this and any election is what you feel about a candidates ideas, their ability to surround themselves with quality appointees, as well as their ability to lead, communicate, and motivate.

Remember, government is never the answer...unless the question is, "how could this be any more messed up?"

Posted by: Common Jones (one of many) | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Dianna... Biden was very clear in saying "a Constitutional" view of unions... not "a Civil" view. Palin holds the same views as does Mccain. No one said they were "Pro-Gay"... stop looking at that Republican carrot they've been hanging out there forever without ever doing anything about it. Look, under Clinton 2 states tried and failed to marry Gays... but under Bush about 3 have tried and succeeded. Republicans would have nothing left to "run" on if they actually did something about abortion or gays... they have to have those issues to get votes from the in-bred arian so called "christians" out in the nowhereville's of the country.

Posted by: a guy with at least a half of a brain | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

funny, Ok tell me somethign you find intelligent about Obama

Posted by: MRN744 | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect to the Alaska Governor, she did not answer the questions that were asked. Americans are not looking for someone who can stay afloat, but leadership to lead the country forward. A person who cannot answer a direct question, dodges difficult topics and plain and simple do not understand global issues -- i mean do you really want us behind China and other nations ? It's not a joke or watching a movie for entertainment, the presidential election is a serious issue and our jobs, lives and future is at stake. Think for a moment.

Posted by: Simon | October 3, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Jaycee, you are seriously trying to convice people that Sarah Palin is smarter than Barack Obama? Really? You think a five-year undergrad with a degree in journalism from the University of Potato...I mean Idaho, is smarter than the man who was the first african-american editor of the Harvard Law Review, and made it through Columbia and Harvard Law on academic scholarships? She is smarter than a man whom by all accounts of each and every one of his professors at both institutions had the best command of the law and the constitution of any student that had EVER instructed? Or are you just so jaded by the conservative talking points of Karl Rove and Rush Limbaugh that you can't even think straight anymore? Maybe she has ideologies you agree with, or you "like the cut of her jib," but she is not smarter than Barack Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is "all fluff - - - no stuff!" She didn't even have to show up last night. She could have recorded 2-minute snippets about her favorite and well-rehearsed topics, which could have been played after each of Gwen's questions. Since she didn't bother to answer the questions, her presence there was redundant. Senator Biden, on the other hand, showed his grasp of the economy, foreign policy, and gave me confidence that he can step into the presidency at any time. As a picture that is making the rounds on the internet shows:
Obama has judgment
McCain has experience
Biden has both and
Sarah has neither

Obama/Biden for President in '08!!!!

Posted by: Terrified Texan | October 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone praising Sarah Palin for being so "relatable" and "human," when she could not even muster ONE SECOND of sympathy when Joe Biden choked up talking about the deaths of his wife and daughter?

I guess emotions and family values don't really count if they're coming from a Democrat? How incredibly Christlike of Ms. Palin.

Posted by: Mary | October 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

She gave a "shout out" for goodness sake! This was a nationally televised debate - sure it's a great opportunity to wave to your family ... IF YOU AREN'T RUNNING FOR VP!

Posted by: Stupid American | October 3, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Picking this woman as his running mate was a cynical move by a desperate presidential candidate. What is frightening is that so many people buy into this "populist", "downhome" nonsense that she sells. What ever happened to the notion that the best and brightest should get the job? This is a symptom of the pervasive and growing anti-intellectualism that will ruin this country if it goes unchecked.

Posted by: Scott M. | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't beleive people a few people on here are saying she did great in the debate yesterday. I mean seriously, stop saying all this crap like, liberal trap, or she's a woman, she's a mom and stuff like that. I mean really why do people take serious events like this to those levels, to think like that is completely taking away from the whole point of the debate. The point of the debate is to see how prepared someone is to handle tough issues and to get a clear idea of who they really are outside of the rallying and campaigning. Palin completely failed from the first question on, how many times did I hear "well actually I want to talk about this..". Its like well actually then your not answering the question, this isnt a rally or a speech you are not the director of this debate you are too answer the question. She didnt do that, she laid out weak attacks on obama and biden in attempt to misconstrue the public on their positions on topics.I mean seriously biden made her look like a fool in regards to the whole purpose of a debate. He answered questions with facts, plans, and ideas. That is the type of person I want in the white house...

Some people really need to start grasping just exactly what it means to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. The whole purpose isnt to vote for who you think is the nicer person, who you think you would want as a neighbor, its to vote someone who will LEAD this country in the right direction. Some one who will do whats right for the country. And some one who will keep us in good standing with the rest of the world.

I do not approve of McCain, I feel that he is very out of touch with the American people, I feel that he will simply be a more vocal bush, and the fact that he picked palin to become his VP is a red flag to me. It shows his lack of seriousness, and more of him just wanting to gain some easy support.

If you like palin then really why not just write bush on the ticket, because she is doing the exact same thing he did when he was running.

Posted by: P.A.A | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I think everybody has finally lost it!!!!! Sarah Palin was awesome last night, and i am gonna vote for her and mccain-I just can't find myself voting for a man(obama) who can't even put his hand over his heart out of respect for this great country-and we are to let him run it?? If he wins-this country is doomed-If Mccain wins at least we will have someone there who respects and loves this country-Obamas wife Michelle was not even proud to be an american until her husband announced he would run. Come on people the little things usually show what you can't understand!!!!

Posted by: Tannue | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone stopped to look at Obama's executive experience compared to Palin. His entire time in the Senate has been running for higher office, all of less than 200 days. She has been running a State. Come on, are we as Americans that stupid to look at true experience or is this a popularity contest.

Posted by: Gary | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin -
Intelligent - Not sure
Knowledgeable - No
Presentable - Definitely yes
Matured - No
Experience - No
Serious - No - A clever wit is ok but you cant have a sweet smile when you are addressing serious domestic and international issues. This is not a Jay Leno show. A lot more is expected out of the second-in-command of a powerful world power.

Biden
Intelligent - Yes
Knowledgeable - Yes
Presentable - Yes
Matured - Yes
Experience - Yes
Serious - Yes
Overall he was all fact and substance and less of icing. The exact traits required to support a younger/less experienced but visionary Presidential candidate.

Posted by: Pradip | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Republican for Obama,

you are exactly right, it's amazing how many simpletons there are in this country according to the polls. how stupid do you have to be to consider mccain palin fit for the presidency? it's unbelievable

Posted by: ted | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Okay one more thing. I was impressed that both candidates had clearly rehearsed how to pronounce Ahmadinejad. They both said the name a few times just to let us all know how good they were at pronouncing it. Good for them. Now, please please please can someone teach Gov. Palin how to say NUCLEAR?!?!?! PLEASE?!?!? If I have to endure another four years of "Nookyulur" I'm going to slit my throat! C'mon republicans, it's not that hard. Nooo-klee-yur. That wasn't so bad, was it?

Posted by: Ezra Freeman | October 3, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

In reading comments about the presidential race I keep coming across the line "flim-flam" man as a description of Obama. Often enough that it must be a line being pushed as a neo-con mene. I suppose that they are hoping "Flim-flam" translates as "scary-black-man-at-the-door Martha!" to their constituency.

Posted by: dr from Canuckistan | October 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh, man, it’s so obvious I’m a Washington outsider, and someone just not used to the way you guys operate,” she said after her opponent explained, somewhat awkwardly, why he had voted in favor of the Iraq war.

And that was how Sarah Palin got the better of Sarah Palin. The debate wasn’t so much between Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. and Ms. Palin as it was between the dueling images of the Alaska governor: the fuzzy-minded amateur parodied — with her own words — by Tina Fey on “Saturday Night Live” or the gun-toting hockey mom who blazed into history at the Republican convention.

There was a little of both on stage Thursday night, though Ms. Palin spoke far more fluidly and confidently than she had in her devastating interviews with Katie Couric of CBS. Ms. Palin did stumble into a few loop-the-loop non sequiturs, but mostly she stuck to practiced talking points. She didn’t answer questions directly, but she spoke out with self-assurance and even cockiness, correcting Mr. Biden when he tried to repeat the Republicans’ slogan about oil exploration in Alaska. “The chant is ‘drill, baby, drill,’ ” she said.

And Ms. Palin was the one who set the tone, making Mr. Biden sound stuffy before he had a chance to make her look unsteady. She bounded onto the stage, shook hands with her opponent and said brightly, “Hey, can I call you Joe?”

He said yes, then addressed her as “Governor Palin.”

She twinkled, cocked her head, and spoke as plainly as she could. “Darn right it was predator lenders,” she told the moderator, Gwen Ifill of PBS, when asked who was to blame for the mortgage meltdown. Her sentences had lots of pep and patriotism, and few g’s at the end of her words — “You betcha” and “Get down to gettin’ business done” and “doggone it.”

Here is what other seys; "Expectations for both candidates were low, but the expectations for the debate were almost absurdly high — cable news commentators led up to the event like children on a Halloween sugar bender, deliriously excited by what The Washington Times described as a “Thrilla in Manila” showdown."

Posted by: TAD | October 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Biden's smirk said it all for me. I had the impression he thought he was a much better candidate by just those smug looks. What he needs to realize is that the common folk are sick of people like him not ever taking a stand and staying with it. He's no different than Clinton and will vote with whatever the polls tell him. Palin and McCain will both do what is right, whether that means a popular or unpopular decision. Plus, I would never trust any man that gets hair plugs and does not just shave his head like a man when he loses his hair.

Are you sure he didn't wince? Its painful to watch Palin on TV. Up close its gotta be torture. She is the poorest candidate I have ever seen. Anyone who thinks she was anything other than flippant last night is really to ignorant to vote.

Posted by: J Brooks | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Palin did a good job of recovering her image before it was buried deeper in the mud.She probably did as well as she did during her convention speech. That being said, she did not really prove her capability of being the US VP.I thought her "folksy" charm was attractive at the beginning of the debate, but as it went on I expected her to get serious and deliver, but she never did. I noticed that at the beginning of the debate her voice shook a little, showing her nerves a bit. Also it was clear to more than just me that she dodged questions by going back to her credential wchich she was happy to list off. After this debate I still feel that she cannot be considered a good VP candidate. I mean can you imagine if she was to use that "folksy" way of hers in a meeting with heads of governments of other countries, they wold think it was a joke. Sorry Sarah.

Posted by: just saying | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

To equate Obama is even in the same category as Palin is to admit your only source of news is Fox News or other ilk...

Palin may be an effective politician but she is not anyone who should be anywhere near "the button" or representing the greatness nation in the world.

Obaam has the character and ability to be president or at least the possibility of the attributes necessary to rise to one of the few jobs wherein you visibly age in a mere 4 years.

Mccain is a decent man but he is the ultimate politician that is mostly comprised of myths like "maverick"...please do the people who call him this know the definition of the word...or more importantly--do we want maverick as president??? I do not.

Posted by: IsNot... | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I have a hard time swallowing Sarah Palin's view of patriotism. According to her, it's not patriotic to pay taxes? We should all be trying our darndest to avoid paying taxes?
I've lived out West for awhile now, and there's a lot of this sentiment: it's us vs. the government. Well, for all you anti-government types, I bet you weren't complaining last week when the federal government made sure your WAMU debit card worked. Felt nice to have the government stepping in then, huh?
Western Republicans use the federal government's help when it's convenient, then spout off about how it's patriotic NOT to pay taxes. Give us all a break.

Posted by: Ben Taylor | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I Sarah Palin, am talking directly to "Joe six pack"* out there.

*Note: Please drink responsibly!

Posted by: D | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I gave one of the six packs back to Governor Palin.

I could have played a tape of her answers for the next 8 questions :)

What do you think of NATO - ..lets see I have a strong energy policy. im a mayor . im a hockey mom.

What do we have to do to improve education --.. lemme tell ya, we have to get back to our energy policy. im a mayor and governor. im a mom. i know from the sidelines.

How does NATO manage new memberships ... I gotta tell ya John Mcain is a maverick. and we are a shining city on top of a hill. isnt that beautiful ? from president Reagan.

Good luck !!!

Posted by: JoeFivePack | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I am not going to make a joke about Sarah Palin today or put her down.

There is no need for it. WHY? Because, seriously, Obama and Biden looks now to be certain to win the elections. I just cannot see the chance of McCain and Palin winning anymore.

Obama and Biden 2008

Posted by: Kimmo | October 3, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

She came, she talked, she said nothing.

Posted by: Julius Caesar | October 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Is America still the greatest nation in the world? America is the only democracy in the world that allows unqualified persons to be vice presidential candidates: Nixon, Agnew, Quail, Cheny, and now, Palin.

Posted by: Chris T. | October 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

last night was like "America's Got Talent" only the prize was for the Vice Presidency of the United States....

Posted by: ucanthandlethetruth | October 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I saw the debate last night and was seriously waiting of the other shoe to drop for Pain, in wake of "Hurricaine Katie". Obviously it didn't! So Palin didn't emphasize on the fact that living in state bordering Russia qualifies for having foreign policy experience. But come on folks, she is way out of her league.

She may be great at being a governor for the state of Alaska, but we clearly see her level of experience does not qualify her for the second highest office in the entire country.

If she is elected this November based on "her ability to connect with average Americans using phrases like 'Joe Sixpack'"....then folks, the economy tumbling will be the least of our problems.

Posted by: S.K. | October 3, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Was she terrible?

You betcha!

Posted by: FC | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin failed. Just because she was able to ramble off-topic without freezing up doesn't give her the win. I don't care that she has kids or that she's "folksy", I want someone who can act and think on their own, not just the way they were told. Every single time she was given the opportunity to distance McCain from Bush, she instead repeated over and over the "you're looking back" line. So her only argument the whole debate was, don't judge McCain on what he's done in the past, judge only what he's going to do in the future. Well, I seem to have misplaced my crystal ball.

And maybe I'm not sensitive enough, or nobody dares tread this close, but I'm shocked that nobody picked up on Biden's play of the gender card. I can't say if it was intentional, but if it was, it was geneous:

"I am much better off now, but the notion that somehow, ***because I'm a man*** I don't know what it's like to raise two kids alone..."

Posted by: Patrick | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I was just really disappointed that ms palin was so lacking in knowledge. I was hoping to be impressed and instead was actually embaressed as a woman. Thankfully we has Hillary as a candidate showing that all american women are not "air heads".

Posted by: lucernegirl | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse


Although I don’t agree with Peggy Noonan on everything, I acknowledge that her political instincts can be quite accurate at times — and always interesting. Her analysis of the debate last night and what it means are worth a click, here in the WSJ. “As far as Mrs. Palin was concerned, Gwen Ifill was not there, and Joe Biden was not there. Sarah and the camera were there. This was classic "talk over the heads of the media straight to the people," and it is a long time since I've seen it done so well, though so transparently.” (It even includes high praise for that gal who impersonates Palin on SNL.)


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The heart of her message was a complete populist pitch. "Joe Six-Pack" and "soccer moms" should unite to fight the tormentors who forced mortgages on us. She spoke of "Main Streeters like me." A question is at what point shiny, happy populism becomes cheerful manipulation.

Sarah Palin saved John McCain again Thursday night. She is the political equivalent of cardiac paddles: Clear! Zap! We've got a beat! She will re-electrify the base. More than that, an hour and a half of talking to America will take her to a new level of stardom. Watch her crowds this weekend. She's about to get jumpers, the old political name for people who are so excited to see you they start to jump.

Her triumph comes at an interesting time. The failure of the first bailout bill was an epic repudiation of the Washington leadership class by the American people. Two weeks ago the president of the United States, the speaker of the House, the secretary of the Treasury and the leadership of both parties in Congress came forward and announced that the economy was in crisis and a federal bill to solve it urgently needed. The powers were in agreement, the stars aligned, it was going to happen.

And then the phones began to ring, from one end of Capitol Hill to the other. And the message in those calls was, essentially: We don't trust you to fix the problem, we suspect you may have caused it. Go away.

. . . We must take happiness where we can. Tina Fey's Sarah Palin has become, in that old phrase, a national sensation, and Ms. Fey is becoming, with her show "30 Rock," and now the Palin impression, one of the great comic figures of her generation. Her work with Amy Poehler (as Katie Couric) in last weekend's spoof on "Saturday Night Live" was so astoundingly good—the hand gestures, the vocal tone and spirit—that it captured some of the actual heart of the Palin story. Ms. Poehler as Couric: "Mrs. Palin, are you aware that when cornered you become increasingly adorable?" Ms. Fey as Palin mugs, adorably.


Posted by: rtfanning | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's debate performance proved she is smart enough for Alaska, perhaps, but certainly not smart enough for Washington.

Her interpretation of the Constitution suggests to her that we are allowed to expand the Vice Presidency's powers????!!!!

Hello!!!!

Posted by: sharons | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Why so many people are so negative about Palin? Is it organized or not? Education is important but not determinant for a president. In history, great leader in fact were not always well educated. Why, because they could study everything by themself. To lead a country, it is not a single person's job, it is a team work. The most important thing is character, and honesty is number one. Palin has some characters and honest, she has less knowledge than Biden, but she is much younger. She is firm in principle yet open minded. The problem is that the media put unfair questions onto her. If you ask a math professor at university a simple chemistry problem, I do not think the professor can give 100% percent right answers, but it dose not disqualify he/she being a professor. All the questions so far by Katie or others are hardly worthy ones for such serious process. Do not ask specific case on the court, she is not trained for that. Ask things that she did as a mayor so we know why she did. We want to know quality of a person, ability to handle crysis, not a scholar who knows things but can not make a decision.

Posted by: tom | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review,create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African American voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor,then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are "woefully inexperienced".

If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, you are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so."

I remember when Bush was running on the platform of being "just like us," but somehow I just don't think he and his family are quite as scared as I am right now when it comes to my economic future. If you think the average person's intelligence can do a better job than Obama/Biden, please vote McCain. If not, maybe its time for someone who not only trained, but succeeded for this job to give it a shot.

Posted by: Charles W. Bush | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN PICK_UP A DIMWITTED COCKTAIL WAITRESS,WHOSE HER BEST FEATURE IS HER GLASSES....

Posted by: NETHERLANDS ANTILLES | October 3, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

How can Senator McCain--once a man of honor--nominate someone as utterly unqualified as Sarah Palin to become our president in the event that he is no longer able to serve, and still have the audacity to claim that he puts his country before his own political ambition?

Posted by: Pablo | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden was spectacular, and Sarah Palin held her own. What is truly unbelievable to me is that so few people are lambasting her for offering up the fact that she agrees with Dick Cheney on the expanded role of the Vice Presidency! The McCain camp has been desperately trying to break any connection to the Bush administration, and Palin decides - unsolicited, mind you - to draw a connection between her views and the only guy in Washington MORE unpopular than Bush. This will prove to be a catastrophic moment for their campain, as now after each "Bush/McCain" comment, the Obama camp can now tack on "and Cheney/Palin". She failed.

Posted by: The Grand Jordanian | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Palin is too superficial for the top jobs. Mr. McCain's haste and political interests include gambling the future of USA, just in case if win. That is insane and becomes a non-patriotic action.

Posted by: MP | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is not prepared for the vp position. End of story. It's that simple people.

Posted by: kate | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

***I am voting for Obama***. When he gets in I will quit my job! Live off you sore suckers paying for my welfare and food stamps. It wont be long and I will also have free Health Care that you will pay for! Within 4 years I will see increases in my welfare checks and you will have higher taxes. Work harder, Millions on welfare depend on you!

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Its simply amazing how many liars are posting comments here (I was undecided until I seen the debate... sure you were). It seem to me we heard a lot about supporting the military. The democrats have been trying to get rid of the military for years. Now to hear Biden talk we need to increase the military... What? you've got to be kidding a democrat senator in favor of military action. If it were only true.

Posted by: Feaked-out | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the 'folksy' talk is insulting and I don't understand why people think that it is endearing, or a good quality, in an elected official.
I am not voting for my neighbor to be President, VP or any other elected official. I am voting for someone who has the presence to carry an intelligent conversation for me in Washington and around the world.
How can anyone take serious a VP that 'says bless their heart' or 'darn straight'....with that accent and the constant winking!!
She is insulting the American public.

Posted by: Roseanne | October 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

See what you guys are missing is that politicians are not supposed to be experts but rather lumps of clay that the experts can mold. Here comes a foriegn policy crisis - call in the experts get briefed and updated and va-wal-la the office holder is now an expert too and can not use there many other non-expert talents to get the problem resolved. Don't forget this. If we only needed or wanted experts in office we could simply create a decision tree.

Posted by: George Hitchcock | October 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I'll tell you what's scary; Palin just sewed up the election for McCain. Please keep up the great work liberal media, and be sure to keep saying repeatedly that the polls show McCain/Palin behind

Posted by: Landrum | October 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

With more executive experience and greater political accomplishments than Obama, and less offensive than Biden, Palin did fine.

While Obama apparently has run a classroom, Palin has over 20,000 employees and a greater than $10 billion dollar budget to manage. She also has an approval rating in her state of >75%.

Biden received less than 2% of the vote in the delaware democratic primary and less than 1% of the vote in all other states where he ran. The public, clearly, is not impressed with Joe "the gaff" Biden.

Posted by: Davidtoo | October 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Gov. Palin saves herself from the Liberal Elite Media.

The Liberals have got to be saying to themselves, "I don't know why I support Obama but this Palin lady really tells it like it is, and I agree with her!"

McCain/Palin '08

NO SOCIALISM
NO TAXES
NO BAMA

Posted by: GForce | October 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It looks like Palin is payign because she is Woman, I am surprised even woman reporters at CNN are so biased ? she did a decent job but they immediately start a negative propoganda after debate, it looks like they dont line republicans thats fine but dont give biased views
__________________________________________

Here's something to think about. If you find yourself calling EVERYONE around you biased, maybe they aren't actually biased. And you're just wrong.

See thats what is funny about all this and how it all stems from religion. Christians like Sarah Palin and her loyal followers tend to have this lopsided view of things. They take their beliefs and instead of thinking, "this is what I believe and I live my life following these values" they think along the lines of "What my religion teaches is the TRUTH and if you disagree you are wrong".

Even that position wouldn't be a horrible thing if they could keep it out of their political life.

But they can't.

Posted by: PalinGaveMeWood | October 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I respect both Biden and Palin. I, through my own research and not necessarily listening to what the media says, have found answers to why Biden would make a good VP. What I really need is some VERY SPECIFIC examples of why Palin would be good. I don't want, "because she's a good mom" or "she speaks homey and that makes me feel good" or especially "she brings enthusiasm to the campaign." Someone tell me why she should be given the opportunity to run our country. Please!

Posted by: Average Joe | October 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

As a Republican supporting Obama...
She did great, under incredible pressure. That is a qualification for leadership. To be able to hold your own against Joe Biden for 90-minutes, yet another significant achievement.

Obviously, she lacks for most of the things we would hope our President had in terms of real-world experience, and even more important, some evidence of an innate fascination with the job and what it represents. On the other hand, we (may yet survive) eight years of stunning incompetence, exacerbated by a pervasive narcissism which has rendered George Bush incapable of seeing his own limitations, and unable to admit even his most egregious mistakes. If Gov. Palin were to become our President, I think we could still reasonably hope for better than what has just taken place (assuming we make it to January 20th, which is by no means certain).

Posted by: ted in pdx | October 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Say It Ain't So" Joe.darn-right, you-betcha

Posted by: pero | October 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Well.. Well..the debate was good..

If a person who can wink and stare directly at camera; keep repeating that that person is just a week away and would get time learning about rest of own country.

I am wondering a decent, good looking broadway actor can certainly compete for the VP..

Posted by: Srikanth | October 3, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Re: It looks like Palin is payign because she is Woman, I am surprised even woman reporters at CNN are so biased ?

Really? You don't have to be sexist to see the unitelligance of Palin. I wasn't even going to vote before I watched yesterday, now there is nothing that's going to stop me from voting Obama-Biden.

As a matter of fact, why didn't Biden run for president? I would vote for him in a second.

Posted by: K.V. | October 3, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Pailin came across as a politician. A politician in it's ugliest form. Totally breaking the rules of engagement by pontificating about her small self centered world and ignoring direct questions. She lives in the same idealogical world as George(s)Bush, John McCain and their kind. Detached from the realities of most Americans and for that matter most the people of the world. Obama and Biden sound harsh and almost unAmerican when they talk about the standing of America and therefore Americans throughout most of the world. A politically tenuous position, albeit an honest characterisation. Speaking from experience of bicycling through numerous countries spanning the globe the statement, "You're not like most Americans." was received as a compliment. However, my reply always was, "i am like most Americans. You haven't met or really know about most Americans." Palin, McCain and their like will continue to export our worst commodity, the ugly American. Obama and Biden will present an image that we realize we're part of this world and if America is to be a true leader than we'll lead by example. We'll lead with dignity, respectfulness, cooperation and genuineness. These are character traits that Palin and McCain are too fearful to tap because they grow from true confidence and proper minded thinking. Palin proved her sense of entitlement by ignoring almost all the questions posed thereby demeaning the purpose of debate and insulting the entire American public. Many of us tuned into television to see candid minds grappling with intelligent issues presented before them. If we wanted just another speech of doctrine we could have gone to any totalitarian state and listened to their "leaders" or maybe better put captors. She wants more power as VP but if ever a person has fulfilled "Murphy's Law" from my observation she over fills the bill. One could go on and on regarding Palin's pugnant behavior but suffice it to say with a sports analogy. One who plays in an organized game by a set of their own rules is considered a cheater. Cheater's almost always have similar character flaws of lying and stealing. It's no stretch to go from cheater, liar, petty thief to self centered behaviors such as embezzelers, frauds and felonious criminals. The next step is the ultimate disrespect and social breakdown, murderers. Sarah Palin you're on your way to the Bush-Cheney-McCain gates of Hades and all your hands on holy rolling will be rolled over by what goes around comes around.

Posted by: Bill | October 3, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Palin has the media and old Washington not knowing what to do. Her message last night that she was 'one of us' resounded completely with me. Like her, I am not from a rich family. Like her, I started at the bottom and made my way up. I have the utmost respect and confidence in her abilities. Last night, it was like she was talking to me, both of us in the same room. I can now see what those peope intitially saw in her. If you have a middle class background it's hard NOT to like her. You go, girl !

Posted by: Dennis | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Palin's failure to give a thought out answer to any question is almost as troubling as the suggestion that she doesn't need to have the answers. Why can't I expect her to understand all the issues about which she was asked? In addition to "erratic behavior", maverick seems also to mean "doesn't follow directions". Rules for a debate, like life, are established for order. If McCain/Palin are unwilling to follow simple rules (for no distinguishable reason) how can we trust them to run the country?

And just as an aside...I reject the notion that to be successful, a woman needs to be a snide, sarcastic, snot. It is hard to connect with that. An educated, capable woman needn't resort to that. Palin is allowing herself to be used and made fun of on a worldwide scale...and doesn't seem smart enough to realize it.


Posted by: Donna | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Now we know what went on at those debate training sessions at McCain’s ranch.

Wink, Sarah, wink. Pander to the people. Mention soccer moms and hockey moms at every opportunity. Look lovingly into the camera and say “Todd and I have been middle class all our lives.” Wink again. Say “You betcha!” Put in a few doggone its. No, don’t blow a kiss, that’s over the top. Wink, Sarah, wink.

Sad thing is, the charade worked. Fox News viewers felt Palin won the debate by 86%.

Posted by: Rudy | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

How does being the Governor of a state rarely remembered make someone qualified for the second most powerful position in the most powerful country in the world? A well rounded, well educated person would have no trouble answering questions directly and clearly. To dodge questions and fill every spare moment with Golly Jee's makes me think that we would be sending Antie Ann out in the world to represent me. How can there be any comparison between a man with proven political standing like Biden and a backwoods soccer mom that got elected to a powerful position in a readheaded step child state? Golly Jee folks, I promise I passed my history class, just ask my pregnant teen daughter. I'm a model of the American Dream.

I like this...let me modify it a bit...

How does being a community organizer and less than one term senator make someone qualified for the most powerful position in the most powerful country in the world?

How can there be any comparison between a man with proven political standing like McCain and a empty suit from the Chicago political system that got elected to a powerful position in a Yellow-dog Democrat state? Yes we can folks. I'm making it up as I go along pretending I'm MLK. I'm a model of the American Dream.


Posted by: S Smith | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought Sarah Palin did a great job (and I am a Democrat). I totally disagree with her policies and I think her inexperience shows...but still a very great job at the debate.

For what its worth Biden did well too. :)

Posted by: Cal | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin and her supporters echo, and are probably products, of a poor education system. Shame on Geraldine Ferraro and like-mind feminists for applauding such mediocrity.

Posted by: nIck | October 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I am glad to see some common sense. I agree, we expect more then dodging questions. You cant dodge questions as President, and VP is the stand by server for the President. When negotiating with other leaders in the world, you have to know your stuff. And I dont think that preventing yourself from looking like a total idiot by making a mistake, by dodging the question is really winning anything.

Posted by: zrer10 | October 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

As a republican, I was seriously considering jumping ship to the Obama/Biden camp. However, one sentiment expressed by Biden last night changed my view. How in the heck can Biden declare that he and Obama will grant rights to same-sex couples when the vast, vast majority of states are against it? Obviously, the Obama/Biden camp desires to push a socially liberal agenda should they make it to the White House. Despite what some movie stars may publicly say, the VAST majority of people in the U.S. wish that marriage stay the same as God intended it to be..... between a MAN and WOMAN!!!!! Like it or not, you people who think that homosexuality is okay are in the minority, and will, prayerfully, stay in the minority.

Posted by: Dianna | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM


Dianna, obviously you weren't paying attention because Biden AND Palin had the same views on this issue. He said that he agrees with the rights, as well Palin but BOTH believe marriage should still be defined as between a "man and a woman". SOOOO... a wonderful example of how mis-interpretation plays a HUGE role in deciding the future of America.

Posted by: Mandi | October 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

why was she harping on freedom at the end of the debate? economic freedom she said. what the hell does that mean? people who consider her clumsy language, frantic answers, and reptition of energy and maverick straight talk are the exact same people who can't think for themselves. these people actually think palin said something of substance. these are the people that are driving this country into the ground with their stupidity

Posted by: ted | October 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I just wish that Palin would show some of who she is as a person and stop pandering to the lowest common denominator. I felt disgusted by her winks and nods.

She is obviously a smart woman, why dumb it down and be a puppet of McCain?

My vote is for Obama/Biden.

I thought Biden was polished, intelligent and ACTUALLY ANSWERED most of the questions given to him.

Its time to put INTELLIGENCE back into the White House. I don't want JOE SIX PACK leading the country.

Posted by: HHP - Dayton Ohio | October 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin deserves credit for her performance. However if I were to judge her performance by the standard expected for a person running for such a position then she failed big time.

Joe Biden ate her lunch on every issue. She skirted around specifics and failed to answer questions. She said she wanted to straiht talk with the american people? all I got was a John McCain zigzag.

Posted by: Paul L | October 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Saving herself from herself is ok as a personal achievement (like personal best in a sport event)... Not failing does not mean coming out in flying colors!

Posted by: Arun | October 3, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else terrified by her performance?

As a professional educated woman, I was horrified. This winking, 'folksy', feisty woman is running for the office of VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. As a citizen of the USA, I don't want her anywhere near foreign leaders because it will be an embarrassment.

It appears that everyone in the media got a memo saying that they needed to report on her performance favorably. Because she managed to not completely embarass herself, it was considered a success.

I am very disappointed in the media for not sending up a red flag to the American people that there is a serious issue here. She performed poorly, and it should be called out.

Posted by: Melissa | October 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Watching Sarah Palin field dress Joe Biden on national television does bring some comfort for us conservatives.

Posted by: fat and dubious | October 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin made the connection. Hard working Americans are sick of politicians like Biden. Common sense is what we NEED in the white house. I believe that actual WORKING Americans and business owners can see right through puppets like Obama. BTW...Obama thinks there are 57 states in the US. **Palin even suggested we take personal responsibility for our actions. Hallelujah.

Posted by: Karen Tribou | October 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm deeply disturbed by conservatives defending a very average performance, and that's what it looked like to me, a performance, as "really standing up" to Biden. Since when is being average or medicre even close to enough to be considered presidential? Why is "Hottie" and "talks well" good enough?

Folks, this country is in trouble. We all know who screwed it all up and it's easy to see they want the same Bar-B-Que Buddy ,Tupperware princess to continue this horrible trend. We need smarts, not cute. We need the best brains and the deepest thinkers. The Repulicans are offering us a cranky old man with cancer and a flight attendant that can't memorize her lines. (My g-d, Biden set her up for the "Surrender" line, and she bungled that) That half of America would even consider this oddball pair is completely beyond me. I've always wanted to think better of America then that.

Posted by: Marcus | October 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Well "Gol Darn it! There you go again!" Visualize Sarah Palin speaking to Vladimir Putin. I just came back from Alaska, and she definitely belongs there. Not Vice President or possibly President of the United States. You Republicans must be gagging as you tout her many homespun virtues.

Posted by: Jeanne B | October 3, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes Palin is severely unqualified. I would prefer Katie Couric as my VP. But before Palin I look at McCain. Anyone who says our economy is not in the toilet is missing a few marbles. McCain and his years of preaching deregulation of Wall Street is what got us here. Now all of a sudden he is the one to lead us out of a depression?

Those making $250k + a year, I can ALMOST understand you voting for McCain. Anyone making less than 250k and feels the sting of healthcare, you are a fool to vote for McCain.

McCain will continue the philosiphy of "Let the rich get richer, while the poor get poorer"

Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

She didn't save herself from anything. She made a fool out of herself and out of the voter everytime she winked at the camera. It was like she kept trying to seduce America with her smile so we wouldn't focus on the fact that she didn't answer any questions.

Maybe you can get her to wink at you when your 401k is gone and you get laid off from you job. Betcha'd just love that shout out.

Posted by: What the??!! | October 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

How does Palin get off by saying that she is not going to answer the question of the moderator? It's a freaking debate! In a debate, you answer the question from the moderator.

Granted, neither did a pretty job of not answering, but to come out and say you won't and instead you are going to talk to the "American people because that's what they want"??? Well, I'm an American Person and I wanted you to answer the questions you were asked.

By the way, Hockey is popular with something like 4% of the American population. How many "Hockey Mom's" are out there? Nice if she was running for Vice Prime Minister of Canada. Not the VP of the baseball pastime and football passionate US.

Posted by: rfwats | October 3, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"Guy with half a brain," real mature of you to call Christian names like "in-bred arian so called "christians" out in the nowhereville's of the country" simply because we believe in the same Bible and principles upon which this country was founded. I guess in your opinion, people in the United States should no longer be allowed to practice their religion right? You should know that in the past years SEVERAL states have brought gay marriage to the ballot and its failed MISERABLY in most..... So, as I said, like it or not, YOU are in the minority.

Posted by: Dianna | October 3, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Sarah, ya cute lil thang. Golly garsh, you just are the sweetiest thang since sliced bread.

Oh wait. You kill wolves from airplanes. You take gifts, you spent $50,000 on your office in Wasilla, that looked like a bordello. Wait. $50,000???? on an office???? WITHOUT COUNCIL PERMISSION??? How is that possible Sarah, the careful spender. Hmm.. is that why you left Wasilla $5 million in debt? You claimed credit for a pipeline that's been in discussion since the 70's. And is 10 years away from being built, if ever.

Everyone knows about your Bridge to Nowhere, but how many know the island you wanted to spend $250 million to is home to... wait for it... .50 people..!!! Really.. a quarter of a billion dollars to make it cozy for 50 people?? That's $5 million per resident.! Sweet deal.. No wonder it was shot down. You still spent $25 million on a gravel road TO the bridge AFTER it was cancelled!??

You live on lovely Lake Lucille. Why not tell people it's a DEAD LAKE?? It can't support fish life anymore! Due to your mismanagement of runoff.

The debate? Oh geepers.. You said nothing, except what was on the teleprompter in your head. Sad excuse for a debate. I only wonder why Gwen Ifill didn't insist you respond to her questions. I guess you didn't know much on the topics you blatantly skipped..

OH, gosh golly, i forgot doggonit.. Troopergate is back on.. That dam mean old judge said nopeeroonie.. It's going forward.

Sarah, wink, wink, you're toast.

Posted by: Expert47 | October 3, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

JunkKicker2008, both their mics were on, SHE was the one that talked. Biden didn't.

And she came off sounding like a redneck from podunk.

Posted by: Tib | October 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden has been accused of plagiarising others in the past. At least the Senator was stealing from real people. Governor Palin seems to have fully taken on the personality of Ned Flanders from "The Simpsons." Flanders might be her speech writer for all we know, gosh darn it.

Posted by: MoBro55 | October 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Who is behind Palin? What secret and dangerous sect is masterminding this scam?
The woman can't hold her own baby with some affection and we must believe her good intentions when winking an entire nation into doom?
Before continuing even to mention her name the electorate should know more about her eerie
family life, her ferocity to 'kill the jobs' of those who antagonize her and most importantly her chutzpah to deliver lies
without blinking. The most ominous lie of them all is lying to herself if she 'really' believes she is ready for the job.

Posted by: lynx | October 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

these so called 'republicans' vote for mccain and palin just because they call themselves republican. complete idiots. i bet they don't even know what a real republican is. a real republican is ron paul, who i supported so don't say i'm a obama surrogate. i just think between the two candidates, obama/biden is clearly more qualified and able to lead. what does it say about the USA when we elect a complete fool like sarah to be VP? people electing presidents because they're more 'folksy' and appeal more to your emotions are why america is in the wrong direction. use your heads!

Posted by: ted | October 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

My next favorite Joe Biden quote is on his comments on Darfur and the genocide. how it is OK for us to go any where there is genocide to right these injustices.

Well - substitute IRAQ - remember Saddam's mass killings, for Darfur in his statement and their, OBAMA-Biden opinions change.

Yes they are they party of "change"

Posted by: JunkKicker2008 | October 3, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Palins experience or lack there of keeps coming up again and again which misses the point. Leadership is what matters and Obama while a gifted speaked well educated, and knowledgable about the issues has never in his entire career both private and public displayed any leadership qualities. It's not enough to articulate the issues someone has to lead if there is going to be change and Obama is not the man. Look at his record or more to the point his lack of a record after 10+ years in public office. Is there anything there to even remotely suggest that he would be an agent of change? I think not. Look at the record of McCain and to a lesser degree Palin they both have a record of leadership,getting things done. Their politics may turn you off, but their demonstrated leadership qualities are what we need in Washington.

Posted by: charlieg | October 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin saved John McCain again Thursday night. She is the political equivalent of cardiac paddles: Clear! Zap! We've got a beat! She will re-electrify the base. More than that, an hour and a half of talking to America will take her to a new level of stardom. Watch her crowds this weekend. She's about to get jumpers, the old political name for people who are so excited to see you they start to jump."

I will absolutely concede this. She did re-electrify the base, no doubt. Too bad for McCain, the base was already on his side... it's the moderates and undecided he would need to win. Palin has done nothing for him there.

Posted by: Patrick | October 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Alaska can now join Texas as joining the "Missing its village idiot" club.

Texas has a lot to answer for. Maybe we'll get lucky and Alaska will just apologize and send her home before she gets someone killed.

Posted by: Seattle | October 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I find myself completely appalled today - the performance last night was embarrassing and ridiculous. I kept hearing conservative pundits say how she was so much more of an "attractive candidate" to look at - can you hear the wheels spinning backward????
Sarah Palin has absolutely no substance yet thinks that her kitchy one-liners and cutsey attitude will get her ahead. And some pundits loved that! This isn't Legally Blonde. I'm completely angry that the bar was lowered so low for her - that expectations where in the sewer. Why do we do that? Expectations for her in terms of knowledge should be as high as what we have for Joe Biden - or higher. That's what we should expect when a President picks a Vice-President. If she's what we call qualified - heck I may just run for Congress next year myself.

Posted by: Karen | October 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

For someone who has moved over to the Obama camp recently, I did not see a clear winner last night in the vice presidential debate. If John McCain was not so mistaken about the economy, Iraq, and the separation between church and state--his selection of Sarah Palin--I would consider voting for him. I think Biden is unexciting, and his performance last night only confirmed my opinion. I have concerns regarding Obama's experience, but I am voting for the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: Steve Sanchez | October 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Maybe she still has a chance to redeem herself.... in the swimsuit competition?

Posted by: phoebe | October 3, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

By any reasonable, objective standard, Joe Biden showed himself Thursday night to be the far superior candidate. It is beyond obvious Palin merely recited a series of rehearsed lines whether they matched the question or not ("Oh I have this one memorized REALLY good, they said I do this one great! So let me arrogantly ignore debate decorum and get it in anyway, doggone it...").

Palin, definitely a riveting and unforeseen political personality, is a complete lightweight, and should frighten Americans. We all saw the true Palin in the Couric/Gibson interviews; no reasonable person could say they felt comfortable watching her speak. Republicans are either in massive denial that they are being manipulated, or they or okay with it, having gotten used to that approach from their leaders over the past eight years.

Only in this stupid race would a lame performance like Palin's be considered a success. If Biden was actually allowed to go after her, as he could have had done with a man, he would have left her a trembling, blubbering mess. Instead he had to take her stupid cheap shots, lest he be considered a bully.

As for McCain, the poor old man is approaching his candidacy as The Last Game, one last shot at greatness before he fades away into Oldness.

Posted by: Thief in the Orchard | October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Haha. It's so much fun to read the snide remarks of die-hard Dems. You're just mad because Governor Palin didn't fail the way ALL of you predicted. She actually shined big time, and your disappointment is showing. Just keep doing what you're doing. Spew that hate. The final vote will proove what America really wants.

Posted by: AJ | October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Screw the debates, let's go PITT!!!

Posted by: NickB | October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

So, is she going to start interviewing with the media or is she going back into hiding now?

Posted by: Wade S. | October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

She did a FANTASTIC job!!!!!!!

...If she was trying out for a job selling some new gadget at the mall. It slices! It dices! (big smile!) And for the low, low price of $19.99, we'll even throw in George W. Bush's failed policies! And that's not all! She rattle off her spiel like a professional huckster by golly!

Yeah, she did great.... good thing she's not trying out for something important. Cause that would suck.

Posted by: dMiner | October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Palin did better than 'Ole' Biden who inaccurately accused John McCain of many votes and policies that did not ring true. How could he have won the debate when his facts are all wrong. The sneering and laughter when Palin was speaking showed his nervousness. I have left my options open, but now feel Palin would be much better. She sees a problem and acts on it, as seen in her role as governor. He has no executive experience and his change is doing the same thing he has done in the past 36 years. Nothing to show for it. Palin also has more experience than Obama and is honest and above reproach. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth--and his foreign policy is scary! Hope the American voters weigh all the issues carefully when they vote. Living in a Obama/Biden administration will not be an easy time. Really feel the McCain/Palin agenda will be to keep their word to the American people---and have a more positive future.

Posted by: Winnie | October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hitler was very very INTELLIGENCE!!!! Why do you think so many followed him. Stupid people cant lie strait faced, its the INTELLIGENCE ones that scare me. Ever played Mafia? Google it.

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Palin's almost-compulsive tendency to show off her "average American" image should be of great concern to everyone. Someone who will have so much control should be able to *relate* to the average citizen, but they shouldn't actually *be* an average citizen. Elections are for finding the most qualified, experienced, knowledgeable people who know how to maneuver the political scene.

Palin's main appeal is basically, "Hey, I'm just like you guys!" However, I don't want "me" or "you" in office; that's why I vote for other qualified people.

Though her folksy "charm" (for those of you who lap it up like it's sugar and cream), may make her more amicable, it simply will not sustain under any realistic circumstance. Imagine trying to diffuse a hostile situation with a foreign head of state with gleeful winks and smiles. (Can she even find the country on a map?) Do you honestly want this woman changing the subject to talk about something she's prepared and memorized? We don't need sugary sunshine in Washington. We leave that for the pageant queens--people who smile brightly and think they can change the world just by optimistically talking about it, and we pat them on the heads and let them go on their way. :)

Sarah Palin was an absolute joke before this debate. But now, she is a public hazard--deluded about her abilities and power-hungry. Scary? You betcha, dagnabbit.

Posted by: Lily | October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"She did a great job last night. She was able to show who she was without being trapped by a liberal media agenda"

Are you still spouting that BS about the "liberal media"? Thats the whine of a loser.

And yes she showed who she was, shallow and vapid, ducking questions and offering sophomoric platitudes while winking and giggling.

Posted by: Michael | October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

if palin isn't going to allow everyone wanting to interview her, why doesn't the media just stop showing her on tv?

Posted by: d yang | October 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse


I think Biden spoke well on the isues...As for Palin, it was her first time, and it was tough for her...Buy she spoke and answer like a ELEMENTARY KID, ..Americans have to be really stupid to say that Sarah spoke about anything that has substance..She was constantly looking down and fiddling with her index cards for hints. She was not genuine at all. She is cute, but her knowledge is limited about important issues...It amazes me to head Donna Sawyer praisng her and also Katie Houric her obsesseed supporter, making comments in her favor...These are bright people who seem to be blind...I guess the men are afraid of being called SEXIST...Look Biden had a BIG disadvatage, yet he stiid FIRM and showed extraordinary knowledge of the issues. Palin lacked substance, she just soke on the script, and swayed away from the question. Hey, she was a WOMAN???So Biden was cautius and avoided a lot of things, fearful though that he would be attacked by all and the press about be SEXIST,,,First, by Geraldine Ferararo, who will definitle vote for McCain....

Posted by: Robby | October 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"My next favorite Joe Biden quote is on his comments on Darfur and the genocide. how it is OK for us to go any where there is genocide to right these injustices.

Well - substitute IRAQ - remember Saddam's mass killings, for Darfur in his statement and their, OBAMA-Biden opinions change."

Huh? Darfur genocide is happening *now*. Genocide in Iraq happened *years before* the Bush administration decided to invade. By your logic, we should be invading Germany at any moment. The genocide in Darfur can still be interrupted, we had long missed the genocide in Iraq.

Posted by: Patrick | October 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Remember: it was Bush's deceitful and inaccurate representation of the Iraq threat that lead to pre-emptive war. Results since then: tragic loss of thousands of lives and even more life long disabilities in both countries has resulted; waste of resources and destruction of infrastructure has occurred; and huge economic debt has dug deep in the US!

We cannot affort to elect in deceitful/misleading/inaccurate statements by Palin and McCain! Our fact checks help us now. But, if they are in power, they will have the inside information and we will be left to trust what they tell us. They are not trustworthy, as evidenced by multiple untruths. This is a deal breaker!

McCain picked a rooky governor from Alaska, who has not yet eaten her own cooking. How will John McCain pick the rest of his cabinet, who the public cannot vet or influence? Scary!

McCain and Palin are willing to provide misleading statements in a wide range of topics from national to local.

Contrary to Palin's statement: There is no "40 billion dollar gas pipleine" being built. Palin and the legislature has only authorized the state to give TransCanada $500 million of Alaska taxpayer money to begin permitting. Even then, the project cannot go forward without oil industry gas producers providing support. So, they yet have no money to fund the pipeline, estimated to cost $26 billion. See andrewhalcro.com for further information.

She was deceitful over and over again about the Bridge, even after she was confronted with this lie. Yet, she continued. She still built the Road to the non-existent bridge, at $26 million of federal dollars, destroying forest and money at the same time.

Many in her home state are disgusted with her hiding of facts about troopergate and her "popularity" poles have plummeted.

Palin's saber rattling is dangerous! She lacks the experience, the intellectual, contemplative ability, and knowledge to handle shakey issues in a turbulent world. Do you want her to pilot your failed engine plane or perform complex surgery on world affair crisis? Her lack of understanding is scary!

Obama/Biden offer hope of reasoned change.

Posted by: Alaskan against McCain/Palin | October 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse


Palin and others backing up McCain want him to die. Hence the freudian slip out of Palin's mouth last night "He's the man we need to leave" of course she corrected herself and said lead afterwards. But like, WTF. We all know she's dumb enough to let that go.

Posted by: Mash Taters | October 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin obviously is getting under the skin of most liberals. Just read as I did the previous comments. Very outragous and bitter. Darn it the truth hurts! In just two years Governor Palin has turned around the state of Alaska. I live in Michigan and I did not receive a tax rebate this year from the windfall profits of oil companies. What I did receive was a 40% increase in my state income tax. The result of Governor Granholms (D)tax increase on businesses and individuals. Unemployment has increased from 7.2% to 8.9% in one year. Boy look what we all have to look forward to when Senator Obama raises taxes on eveyone to pay for his trillion dollars worth of socialist programs. Like me you will work the first six months of the year just to pay off your tax bill. I wonder when we changed our countries name to United Socialist States of America. Wake up America and smell the coffee. Believe me it sucks to be me in Michigan. Do not spread this policy to the other 49 states or is it 56 states. If you are not sure ask Obama, he knows now.

Posted by: A realist | October 3, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe national pundits are calling this debate remotely close; they must be concerned about remaining neutral. That folksy act; the winking, the smirks, the betcha by golly wows....?

I've heard more credible pitches from strippers

Apparently Joe Six Pack buys this act. Palin appears to me as one overly confident,
obnoxious, combined with a the supreme sense of arrogance of one who happens to be an expert at both the art of seduction and public speaking. I can see why McCain picked her. Frauds wearing such feathers, flock together.

Hey Joe. Read some books, will ya? You're screwing up this country. You're at church on Sunday so you can't watch Meet The Press? Please, pray to Jesus that McCain's first executive decision will be his last. Alaska is...insert sarcastic smirk here ...just the perfect distance between her and Washington D.C.

For the middle class to get stronger, the middle class has to get smarter. Humor me, Joe.Put that beer down and go read the new article about Mr. McCain over at Rolling Stone.com.

Posted by: TruthWalksOnWater | October 3, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that besides sounding like she's sitting at a bar, trying to schmooz a roomful of men, that she is really making a laughing stock of women in politics?

Posted by: Lori | October 3, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Bibigos, just a quick reminder.

Obama is running for President, Palin is running for VP

Posted by: Brad | October 3, 2008 2:24 PM

Yeah...thanks I knew that. There were some on here suggesting that Palin would be better suited for the presidency than Obama. My response was directed that way.

Posted by: babigos | October 3, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

My husband opined that the fact that Sarah Palin didn't, er, have an accident on stage meant that the pundits would rush to declare her the winner of the debate. I had higher hopes -- for the pundits, not for Palin, who met but barely exceeded this standard -- but my husband was right.

Fortunately, it seems that the American people are not quite as stupid and eager to be talked down to as both Palin and the pundits appear to believe. Golly gee gosh darn it, we've twigged to the fact that there's a difference between saying "McCain and I are mavericks" and having a policy. Or knowing about policy. Or knowing why it's scary to say that you agree with Dick Cheney about the powers of the Vice President, especially when most people don't think that you're ready to be Vice President.

Posted by: Jane | October 3, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Plus Palin is the hottest candidate in the race...woo, woo, woo. That's why I'm voting for her and Johnny Mac.

Posted by: S Smith | October 3, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

be sure the people deserve their leaders.

we would stone our ancestors if they were to appear before us - statesmen, teachers, preachers, pioneers, colonists and refugees.

Posted by: Alec | October 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Dianna,

Why bring all this christianity into it? Why don't you go onto the 700 Club website and stop boring us with your anti - gay sentiments.

Posted by: Non-Christian | October 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Apparently if you study hard for a week; learn a few names of foreign leaders; memorize some meaningless statistics; and don't make a complete idiot of yourself, then you are qualified to be the VP and potentially the President. Republicans seem to think this.

Posted by: Nick | October 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

poor people dont have a chance no one mention one time the forgotten ones we are all one palin/bidden.think about the people that what's up

Posted by: tanya | October 3, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

A VP candidate should not be so baffled by visiting another area of our country and its culture, especially Washington. Unconvincing politically, unconvincing folksy act.

Posted by: alohaakamai | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Sarah, if you listen REALLY REALLY REALLY hard, you can hear your political career crashing around you.

And once you're impeached due to Troopergate, you'll be a REAL LIFE HOCKEY MOM.. Wonder if daddy dearest will find enough fish to feed your family.

And someone else mentioned it, and i saw it also. you carried that baby like he was a bag of potatoes.. Really, not much affection for him. And why would you have an infant out at 11pm? Shouldn't he have been with a baby sitter? Or was it more political to use your own children for some percieved political gain?

Pathetic.

Posted by: Expert47 | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Sara Palin makes Dan Quayle look like Winston Churchill. Frightening.

Posted by: Youmustbekidding | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's put all this petty intellectual debate aside and do things in a way the masses would understand. Palin is cuter than Biden so she wins there. She speaks "common folk" speak after all gosh darn. Isn't that what we want our delegates to the leaders of the world to speak like? She opened the debate with "Can I call you Joe?". On top of that, her flag pin was bigger making her more patriotic. Who needs anything more than that to decide?

The election is a joke. This country's founders did not like the idea of career politicians. We are now seeing the ramifications of it. The candidates will only make the rich (themselves), richer while the rest of us suffer. I'm sorry to say insurrection appears to be just around the corner.

Posted by: Verbum Rationis | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin's comments were well rehearsed, not showing any real grasp of subject knowledge. At first I thought the Democrats were taking the wrong approach with not calling her out for her lack of experience, outright lying, etc., but clearly it was probably the right thing the do. She has 32 more days to butcher her image herself. That is, if the Republicans don't keep her holed up in some out of the way place away from reporters.

Posted by: WD | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Grand Jordanian, I agree. Palin seemed to say "Gee, I sure don't know much about politickin' in Warshington, I can't name more than one Supreme Court Case, I think books and college educations are overrated, I'm not sure what it is the VP does, but Gosh Darnit, I sure wish it came with more power!" As an attorney who has suffered through years of constitutional law and takes this very seriously, I find her lack of knowledge on governance, combined with her unwavering confidence in herself, to be absolutely terrifying.

Posted by: BlueDot | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Haha. It's so much fun to read the snide remarks of die-hard Dems. You're just mad because Governor Palin didn't fail the way ALL of you predicted. She actually shined big time, and your disappointment is showing. Just keep doing what you're doing. Spew that hate. The final vote will proove what America really wants.

Did we watch the same debate? FLIPPANT, thats all she is.

Posted by: J Brooks | October 3, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Is Sarah Palin opposed to gay rights? You Betcha!

When moderator Gwen Ifill asked the VP candidates about their views on gay marriage during Thursday night’s debate, there was a distinct and stark contrast in their answers. While Biden readily admitted that he and Obama did not support gay marriage, the Senator was adamant about his ticket’s support for full civil unions for gay couples and full equality on the basic civil rights issues for all LGBT individuals. The most gays can expect from Sarah Palin is tolerance. The following is transcripts of the candidates exchange on LGBT issues:
http://www.gaysofla.com/content/view/393/51/

Posted by: David L. Wylie | October 3, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It's like Palin earned a solid "B" in remedial math last night. It's nice that she improved dramatically, but that still doesn't make her the class valedictorian.

Posted by: Matt Clark | October 3, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Non-Christian:

Hmmmmm.... I was responding to another person's post. You seem like an extremely rude and bitter person. I will be praying for you :)

Posted by: Dianna | October 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

For anyone touting the she has more experience than Obama is being untrue to themselves and blindly loyal.

Posted by: Alohaakamai | October 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who actually listens to what Palin says and then comes on here supporting that woman for the second-highest office in the land should go hunting with Dick Cheney.

I'm embarrassed to read what our conservative-Americans are posting in defense of her. Its the 21st century. I demand more from my politicians before giving them my vote. I demand substance, not winks.

Posted by: jpc | October 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I got from this debate is that the Democratic Candidate should be Joe Biden, not Barak Obama.

Posted by: redleg | October 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

==== NEWS FLASH ====
OBAMA DUMPS BIDEN FOR OPRAH
OBAMA - OPRAH RELEASE PLANS TO RULE WORLD

Posted by: JunkKicker2008 | October 3, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, between all the mayorin’ and governorin’ goin’ on by Sarah Pain, I’m comin’ to the understandin’ of how she might not be realizin’ how much underage sexin’ and drinkin’ and daughter drillin’ was happenin’ under her household roof. In my neck of the woods we don’t call that motherin’, we know it more as abandonin’. But I digress, cuz I really wanted to talk about that there debate with Missy Bush and smokin’ Joe Biden.

I’m guessin’ that all that preppin’ n’ memorizin’ all those BushRovian doublespeak words paid off in that Sarah could actually provide all those non-answers to those biased and way-too-complex questions Gwen Ifill was askin’. But still, I think I finally figured out how she was able to speak for more than a few seconds at a time. See, Sarah Palin is a master at readin’ from a teleprompter, and ‘member when Bush had obvious wires and boxes and such on his back durin’ the debates between him n’ Kerry? I’m thinkin’ the boys down at McCain central rigged little teleprompters into those big-ass glasses of Palin’s.

They could even pump into those glasses commands like “now look straight at the camera Sarah, good, now look at Joe Biden real seriously” and on and on. All she had to do from then on was talk really folksy like, and wink every once in a while, and act like she really knew something. We need to send this Annie Oakley caricature back to the frontier so she can complete raisin’ a family and runnin’ the State of Alaska and buildin’ pipelines, and guttin’ moose n’ such.

Posted by: fuzzbollah | October 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Turned Alaska around?

Are you guys on drugs? Alaska is a rich state with no people. There is nothing to govern there. Turned around what? What a joke.

Posted by: JBrooks | October 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

London bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down. London bridge is falling down, my fair lady

Posted by: Aycee | October 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

**The Constitution** that is all we need. If you dont like it ,move to Iraq. ** Bomb their @SS and take their GAS!

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

They think we are stupid.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Did ya all notice, golly gee willikers, she said

NEW-QUE-LEAR... several times..

Gadzooks.

Posted by: Expert47 | October 3, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"You're just mad because Governor Palin didn't fail the way ALL of you predicted. She actually shined big time, and your disappointment is showing."

AJ, she only "shined" in comparison to her darkening incompetence from previous televised appearances. I shudder to think how low your standards must be if you think that meeting the expectations for an already-low bar equates to a victory.

Here's a simple example. If you had a 1.9 GPA in your freshman year, and during your sophomore year you increase it to 2.2...Then you're still an idiot.

Posted by: Eva | October 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Biden would make a better Pres than Obama

Posted by: Correct | October 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, you are right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i5T301aAWg

Posted by: Jake D | October 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The Star nailed it on the head.

Palin was like a school girl being schooled by the professor.

Posted by: LRD | October 3, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The whole GOP 'elitist' label for people who actually educate themselves is why they show they are completely unqualified to lead. Ive actually read commentary suggesting that Sarah Palin is BETTER qualified because she is less uneducated. Aside from the fact that George Bush has shown us what a "C" average does to the country. Using this logic we should let "average americans" fly the space shuttle instead of those elitist astronauts!

There was a time in this country when working hard and putting yourself through college was something to be admired. College graduates make an average of %40 more than high-school grads.

The fact the GOP is so against education should be a warning flag to any parent out there with high hopes for their children's future!

Posted by: Cal | October 3, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell is Heather Wilson? She's a repubnicant chatter box.. But, what the heck is that thing on her head???

Posted by: Expert47 | October 3, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

She's darlin' cute, if that is a prerequisite to be VP she wins hands down.

Posted by: Julie | October 3, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

This article is exactly what Palin spoke about last night from the "main stream media". I personally was a little scared and nervous for her as the show started. As the show went on I felt she did way better that I expected. Every politician has their way of speaking and way of doing things. People who complain about her form of speech will end up complaining about her hair tomorrow. She did just as good as Biden a 35 year veteran of bull crap. I know they have earned my vote so far. McCain / Palin 2008

Posted by: Whatever! | October 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

This was like watching the Yankees play the local little league team. Just because she didnt have anything hanging out of her nose doesnt mean she won. Look what I just did, I was folksy. I think after "having a beer" w the idiot down home texan we're over it.

I also keep feeling sorry for McCain. It's so obvious now that Newt made him pick her and he's groomming her to run. That plus the House Repubs screwin him over, the m,averick must be feeling lonely

Posted by: Louise, CO | October 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent.
I did not see any logic when so many people, the presses, her supporters, and commentary etc...,said that Governor Palin won the debate. She avoid answered or did not understand many the questions by dancing around it. Yes, She was very good doing that last night for sure.
Senator Joe Biden did dancing around a little too, but I think that he knows what he was talking about.

Obama will get my VOTE!

Posted by: Keith | October 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Palin on GAY marage:

... But I also want to clarify, if there's any kind of suggestion at all from my answer that I would be anything but tolerant of adults in America choosing their partners, choosing relationships that they deem best for themselves, you know, I am tolerant and I have a very diverse family and group of friends and even within that group you would see some who may not agree with me on this issue, some very dear friends who don't agree with me on this issue.

But in that tolerance also, no one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties.

But I will tell Americans straight up that I don't support defining marriage as anything but between one man and one woman,

Posted by: JunkKicker2008 | October 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I was speechless, this passes for a debate?
I can't come to grips with anyone saying Sarah Palin is qualified to be major much less VP of the United State of America.
Wink Wink Mayberry, USA. Good Grief we have had 8 years of this already, she actually makes GW look intelligent. The entire world is asking, "What has happened to America?"
That is if they can talk between the laughter. This is a joke, isn't it?

Posted by: virginia McMahan | October 3, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes Sarah Palin will be only a hart beat away but with Nancy Polsie being the same hart beat or two alway from being our Leader! Polsie couldn't run a soup kitchen!

Posted by: David - Oregon City | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing that Sarah Palin can do that would win the accolades of the liberal media short of renouncing everything she believes in. The libs criticize her lack of foreign policy experience, question her ability to be VP and be a mom, lie about her covering for her daughter's pregnancy, and try to make her out to be some kind of idiot. The fact is that none of these things are what the liberals are worried about. They don't like her politics pure and simple. If she were a liberal in the exact same circumstances the liberals would sing the high praises of their champion of Main Street.

They say that a person is know by their enemies. Any enemy of the liberal press and SNL is a friend of mine! She has my vote!

Posted by: Rick W | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The most frustrating thing is how so many people (almost half) in this country are such idiots! How are you willing to give up your country to charm and back handed pandering? What about the ISSUES! What about those people that are losing their jobs AND houses due to the entrenched deceit in the white house. GET an EDUCATION and read the FACTS! McCain Palin 2008!

Posted by: mbeth | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

You are all just dissapointed that she did not act like a complete moron.

She acted like an incomplete moron.

Posted by: ned | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama may not be the best pick for president but with Biden behind him it is definately the lesser of the two evils. I was very impressed with how Biden handled himself during the debate. It takes a lot of restraint and class to hold back on tearing apart a winking, bubble-headed little beauty queen while she is taking low little jabs every chance she gets. All she was doing was trying to play magician by distracting her "flock" from the fact that she really doesn't know what she is talking about. He could have easily torn her apart and he didn't even though he had every right to.

In a perfect world we could defy the tyrant race and get an independent in office (or something to that effect) who would actually make this country great again but that isn't realistic, at least for now. Watching Biden last night I made up my mind that I believe he has the skills to lead a country, unlike Palin, and if that means he has to bring Obama along.... so be it... Spare me the *winks*

Posted by: Mandi | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The most frustrating thing is how so many people (almost half) in this country are such idiots! How are you willing to give up your country to charm and back handed pandering? What about the ISSUES! What about those people that are losing their jobs AND houses due to the entrenched deceit in the white house. GET an EDUCATION and read the FACTS! Obama Biden 2008!

Posted by: Mbee | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The definition of Maverick:


mav·er·ick [ mávvərik, mávvrik ] (plural mav·er·icks)


noun

Definition:

1. independent person: an independent thinker who refuses to conform to the accepted views on a subject


2. unbranded animal: an unbranded animal, especially a calf that has become separated from its mother and herd. By convention, it can become the property of whoever finds it and brands it.


Which one is McCain? I say #2

Posted by: dbrocks | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Hotties are better than fugly ancient Senators any day of the week!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

DRAFT CRAZY MITT!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Palin has more experience than Obama.

Governers actually run things like a military daily operation of a state.

Community organizers and 2 year senators have no responsibilities.

And, the GOP is upgrading its marksmanship with this VP choice. She has much better
aim than Cheney. This sends a clear message to the world. Even our women are
stronger than most.

Obama will lose 37 states.

Silent majority will never elect a guy with a middle name of Hussein.

Posted by: Randy | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

She did manage to string together sentences and use a couple big words, which was a plus, but come on - not answering the questions asked? That, alone, should disqualify her. I'm a bit appalled that Ifill just let her do that.

And the winking? Geez. What sort of job did she think she was running for? Did they not explain the difference between the Miss America contest and a Vice Presidential debate to this woman? I kept waiting for a shimmy and wouldn't have been at all shocked to get one. It was ridiculous, you betcha.

Karen Tribou: "Obama thinks there are 57 states in the US" Oh for Pete's sake, no he doesn't - he misspoke. So did Palin, when she referred to General McKiernan as "General McClellan", a civil war general. It's about time to stop nitpicking and start worrying about real issues.

Posted by: AnnaLovesBooks | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If anyone identifies with Pailn and calls her an average american, by god, you guys really need an education. I believe average american is smarter than the dumb witted performance Pailn gave.
All she did is tick-off the point she memorized. In one case, when she was asked about the economy, she replied on energy and how she was the experienced maverick.
Pathetic I say. I was undecided. Now Pailn scares me. VOTE OBAMA

Posted by: PD | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Cheny is one of most qualified vice president in theory according to the standard in this forum, yet he is the most failed one in real situation. Palin has weakness as we all have being americans, a little bit pretending, a little bit denying, but she for most part, from inside of heart, is geniun and honest. She does not say things she could not do or do not understand. Unlike some others talking about change world, she is honest and focused on a few things that she thinks she can do.

Posted by: tom | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

MCKILL says-

"If they were, they would admit that Palin is better qualified than Obama to be President."

Objective, honest and rational? Are you serious? If you were being intellectually honest with yourself, as many on the right have done already it is you who are not being any of the things you describe. There are those on the right that say McCain's pick is a disaster. A disaster which begs the question if McCain were to tip over in office the country would be and I quote "a disaster". She's an intellectual midget. She could'nt name any magazine she reads because she doesn't read any magazines, why? Because she's not intellectually curious. Haven't we seen this movie already and don't we already know how it ends? Personally I'd like our country to be respected once again, not laughed at. Have you ever heard Obama speak? The depth of his knowledge, the fact that he is schooled in constitutional law and would be able to argue what supreme court decisions he disagrees with all the while knowing what he is talking about? Please spare me the long tired Obama isn't ready. The only question is, can you come to terms with the fact that Obama will be in the White House after drubbing the worst candidate ever foisted upon the American public or Republican party. I'd be embarrased to align myself with first, a fascist regime that currently resides in the WH and second, a party that thinks I'm so stupid, that I'll vote for a woman who lacks a brain just because it's different. Desperation, it's the world's worst colgne.

Posted by: Be reasonable | October 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh for God's sake- I say give McCain a chance-you guys don't even see the whole reason we are in this critical mess is because of lies and greed-Biden did answer the questions straight on-but half of those straight answers were lies-I am so tired of the corruptness of all this-I say palin may be a soccer mom-but at least she is a real soccer mom and not a fake like everyone else up there. Give it up-she has my vote-because she is honest-nobody has all the answers-but this country's leadership has sucked for so long and has done nothing but dig us in deeper to cover the lies and greed in washington-give her a chance and I'm willing to bet you all may be in shock by the outcome. She is truthful-live with it-she was well liked last night!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tammie | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The joke was Valley Girls abused the word LIKE; now it is Alaskan girl named Palin who has started another joke with the word ALSO. It is a travesty that Palin claims an interest in improving education since she apparently missed all her fundamental English classes.

Posted by: Got It | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"What about the ISSUES! What about those people that are losing their jobs AND houses"

Perhaps congress is to be blamed for a portion of this and last time I looked, democrats were in power. So, um, who's to blame?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

OT: ACORN is corrupt; I used to work for them. We went after predatory lenders in one office, and set them up with other predatory lenders in the next office (ACORN housing.) They also stole money. Like, stick it in your pocket.

Anyway...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Critics of Palin say she is unprepared unqualified, "cheerleader", "dimwit" etc.
A few facts to ponder.
A sixteen month time table for withdrawal from Iraq?
Negotiations with Iran, N.Korea etc without pre-conditions?
Roe v. Wade ?
Taxes...more or less ?
Do you know where your candidate stands on these issues ?
If you do then express your opinion.
Folksy, all-fluff, new-clee-er, flim-flam.
Lets move the discussion to a higher level.

Posted by: jay | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Palin's overall performance... good. She connect with the people, she was herself, etc. etc. She exceeded expectations (not sure how she would have failed on that one given how low the bar was).

As far as substance coming out of her mouth.... not good. At all. She avoided questions, recited legislation that was not accurate, forgot General McKiernan's name (she said McClellan), and repeated the same talking points over again. And did anyone catch that moment when she compared herself to Dick Cheney? Really??? Dick Cheney? The man who is willing to torture other human beings and ignore habeas corpus, going against international treaties on the matter.

And even scarier was she compared herself to him in the context of how Cheney places himself over the legislative branch! We do not need another VP who will try to grab at more power. As Biden says, it is in the Constitution. VP is under the executive branch.

Biden, by the way, exercised great restraint. He had a few great moments; one of my favorites was when he called her out on assuming that because he's a man, he does not understand parenting as well as she does. The man who went into the debate cautious of not being sexist turned the table on the woman who made a sexist assumption. The irony.

I guess Biden's pitfall as far as appealing to the general public is that he is too politician. When he was talking about his role on the Judiciary Committee and the judges appointments... I'm sure most people were lost. He didn't really connect in those areas.

Posted by: ct | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so Palin took a week and memorized some stuff. If the debate was in a format for follow-up and deeper questioning, she would have been back to her usual "jibba jabba". And when she didn't have a "spiel", she just changed the subject: Bankruptcy? No clue! "I'd like to bring it back to energy"... Seriously, she is a feather weight. Not even that. She is just a feather floating around. Her folksy gimmicks, wrinkly nose and winks are condescending. If you think someone "just like you" can be the 2nd in command of the world's last superpower, then you are seriously over-estimating yourself. As a woman, I would be totally devastated if this ditz became the first female VP. I would rather wait 100 years then have her anywhere near the WH. Seriously.

Posted by: lezzard | October 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

People,
Remember than Obama has 2 years experience, in the senate that's all.
The Dem ticket is completely backasswards as far as experience goes.
So the next time all you lemmings get together and decide "it's scary to have HER be a heartbeat away from the presidency" I will ask again, what qualifies Obama to be president? Do not quote some speach he gavce in 2006, do not talk to about his votes (present) in the IL state senate.
If dem politics made any sense, HRS would be the candidate. And Biden, since he got what 300 votes (friends and neighbors) in Iowa, I have to wonder WHAT KOOL AID HAVE YOU BEEN DRINKING???
And frankly, it is SHOCKING to me that this country is as sexist now, more than it was ever so in the 70's. It is nice to know that that is its still the only ISM allowed in this country.
If you have a problem with Palin, then I would challenge you to not make arguments about her accent or her hair, and tell us what it is that you really don't like about her.
The truth, NONE OF YOU on this board can bear the thought of a women in the white house (as VP) than IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!
Truth people not spin. Truth.


Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how anyone that watched last night's debate cold come to the conclusion that Sarah Palin is ready to be President. She had three or four canned responses, and she just kept repeating them over and over no matter what the question happened to be. It was as if Joe Biden was debating a parrot. Do you really trust her to lead the most powerful nation on Earth?

Is she folksy? "You betcha", but she's folksy in such an over the top manner that I find it unbelievable. I've lived in small towns, and that is not how small town people are. I guess the best illustration is an analogy. Imagine Barack Obama trying to talk gangsta slang at Tuesday's debate. It wouldn't make Barack look "'hood", it would make him look like he was pandering. It's the same with Palin's shtick- it just doesn't seem genuine.

I have to wonder- who is she, really?

Posted by: Wow | October 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

QUIT YOUR JOB

LIVE ON WELFARE

BECOME A SOCIALIST

THE REPUBLICANS WILL PAY FOR US

Posted by: Socialist | October 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

As a 64 year old former Republican -- it's comments like I'm reading here and elsewhere from people believing Sarah Palin did a "great job", or that she's "more qualified" than Obama or Biden -- that absolutely reinforces the fact that our educational system is in such sad shape. Obviously, we don't teach people to think anymore, let alone think critically. Some of these comments seem on par with Pavlov's dog. Palin tosses out a few mindless, bumper sticker soundbites, and the "true believers" salivate for the next milkbone. Unbelievable! Thank God you're still free to vote for people who want to restrict your freedoms, shred the Constitution, and lie like Pinnochio. Unfortunately, if McCain/Palin are elected, you may not have these rights for long. This is an extremist agenda with a capital E. It's a shame that so many can't see the fascist mentality that Palin exhibits. Have you religious fundamentalists out there ever considered that it's this type of Palinesque fundamental extremism that drives the Taliban? Are we sure the anti-christ in Revelation is a he? I hate to say it, but perhaps we need an IQ test before issuing voter registration cards. Or, maybe just showing your "666" tatoo will suffice.

Posted by: RHinGA | October 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

As heard in palins brain...

Wink.. wink.. lemme move to the side so my leg shows when the camera goes to the stage view.

Lemme think, golly, i can't. I know the Bush guys who were so nice to me told me stuff, but geepers, i can't remember all that stuff. I will just make up my own stuff..

OH NO>>> she asked me about Israel? How am I ever gonna get outta this one? Where is Israel? Isn't it near Egypt? I heard of that place. I think it's where Bono is from. Hezbollah and Hamas? What the heck are those things? Hamas, sounds like a snack, i'll go with it being food.

I'd like another lifeline Gwen. Umm... no, i can't.. they won't let me, those meanies.. OHHH. I think i have a run in my stocking. Damn.. These were brand new. Oh IS IT MY TURN? Wonder what that old fart was saying. I shoulda been listening, oh damn. I'll just talk about Alaska, home sweet home..

I am sleepy. i learned how to sleep standing up with my eyes open.. Wake me when it's over?

zzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Expert47 | October 3, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

That does it! I may vote for Donald Duck.

Posted by: Decided | October 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Biden was too nice. She is scary.

Posted by: S.O.S | October 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I love the comment in the last paragraph of the article that Ms. Palin was so far below sea level that the only way she could go is up.
But seriously folks, John McCain has a form of cancer that kills almost 100% of everyone who has it in 10 years. And he was diagnosed in 2001. So, in 2011 the odds are good that Palin will be president. The woman who said, and I quote, "Ummm, You Know, Ummm, Ummmm" in answer to a question from Katie Couric. Is this what we want? A woman who can't think on her feet?

Posted by: Gail | October 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary must be livid at this point. She put 18 million cracks in the glass ceiling and Palin slipped through. I would love to see Hillary debate Palin with "no holds barred" instead of Joe who had to do it with his hands tied. Hillary is such an intelligent, experienced, classy woman and I could never see her winking or refusing to answer questions. I agree with those who think Palin is a "hustler". I have met many people who are just like her, both men and women. They can talk themselves into the job but when the crap hits the fan they don't have a clue what to do. She is way out of her league and no amount of "debate camp" or "VP camp" will prepare her. One of my children wanted to be an Aeronautical Engineer. Two semesters in college and she realized she just didn't have the brain power it takes. She ended up majoring in Psychology. Pray we never have to find out at that 3 am phone call that Palin doesn't really have what it takes. Or is there "3am phone call camp"?

Posted by: Cat | October 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

What the heck is wrong with America? We have had the equivalent of used car salesmen running the country for the past 30+ years. They say Abraham Lincoln would not have a chance of winning today because he was too clumsy. Stop voting for the guy in the nice suite, slick hair and fast talk. Vote for people of character and common sense. Personally I like Palin being one heart beat away from the oval office. I think it'd do this country a lot of good if she made it.

Posted by: eric | October 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is just like me. Just a regular person. Problem is I am not qualified to be president either.

Posted by: frightened | October 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Folksy? Come on! I hope we Americans have enough common sense to know it takes more than that to be the leader of the greatest country on earth!

You might be a republican and perhaps vehemently opposed to voting for a Democrat, you might be an independent or alined with another party but, please put all party affiliation aside.

Do not blind yourself to this very simple truth: she simply is not ready or prepared to be 2nd in command of our entire country, the U.S.A., not one state, but ALL 50 of them!

Having chosen her as his running mate should put Senator McCain out of the running.

Posted by: Hoping for Better | October 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

IT IS TRULY AMAZING TO ME THAT THE PALIN VIEWS HAVE NOT YET BEEN PUBLICIZED:NO ABORTION EVEN IN THE CASE OF RAPE OR INCEST!(AMAZING)CREATIONISM TO BE TAUGHT IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS-NO SEX EDUCATION IS ALLOWED IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN ALASKA(SEE DAUGHTER FOR RESULTS).IF YOU AGREE WITH THESE VIEWS PLEASE VOTE PALIN/MCAIN!

Posted by: B RUBIN | October 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Did u guys watch the CNN response meters? Biden had the men and esp the women pegged all night. Palin was better than 50% but her folksy stuff actually got her low marks. We are indeed over it (except for the lone mccain staffer that has internet access and is postin here a million times under different names)

Posted by: Laura, GA | October 3, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Socialist, that's my point.
And while I break my butt trying to make ends meet, Obama wants to talk to me about cutting my taxes?? Its a lie, because if they let the W tax cuts expire, ITS A TAX INCREASE!!!!
The dems fail to realize that populism is as old as William Jennings Bryant (who I can guarantee no one on the board as any idea of who he is) but it never won him an election either.

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"Palin did better than 'Ole' Biden who inaccurately accused John McCain of many votes and policies that did not ring true. How could he have won the debate when his facts are all wrong. The sneering and laughter when Palin was speaking showed his nervousness. I have left my options open, but now feel Palin would be much better. She sees a problem and acts on it, as seen in her role as governor. He has no executive experience and his change is doing the same thing he has done in the past 36 years. Nothing to show for it. Palin also has more experience than Obama and is honest and above reproach. He speaks out of both sides of his mouth--and his foreign policy is scary! Hope the American voters weigh all the issues carefully when they vote. Living in a Obama/Biden administration will not be an easy time. Really feel the McCain/Palin agenda will be to keep their word to the American people---and have a more positive future."


Why are people trying to debate for her, wasn't this the point of last night? If she would have actually said something of any substance, maybe she would have won. Maybe if she attempted making the points that all the republicans are trying to make for her now, she would have won. The point is, she didn't have any points. Joe Biden may have only gotten 95% of his facts correct, oh gosh-darn, let's just say 80%. If only there were some actual facts that Palin tried to present, we could compare the two. But since Palin just rambled off rehearsed material without actually knowing what she was talking about, I'm afraid we have nothing to compare her (lack of) facts to.

You can argue all you want why Palin is sooo much better than Biden. But the truth is, Palin didn't convince anyone who wasn't already convinced that she's a better VP than Biden.

Posted by: Patrick | October 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Palins replies were more of a pre-written Slogan than actual answers.

Posted by: 6Packs | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain had my all-inclusive support until he allowed this moron to be his running mate. I cannot comprehend how he thought the positive aspects of his choice would outweigh the negative. You messed up this time John. I hope it doesn’t cost you the election.

Posted by: D B | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The most frustrating thing is how so many people (almost half) in this country are such idiots! How are you willing to give up your country to charm and back handed pandering? What about the ISSUES! What about those people that are losing their jobs AND houses due to the entrenched deceit in the white house. GET an EDUCATION and read the FACTS! McCain Palin 2008!

Posted by: mbeth | October 3, 2008 2:58 PM


Good point... entrenched deceit in the white house... Funny thing is, the McCain Palin administration has yet to prove how it is going to be any different than the Bush administration... They are too closely related for me to even attemt to trust them. Another funny point, Palin could NOT come up with even ONE example last night of McCain/Palin was ANY different than Bush... Interesting...

Posted by: Mandi | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Media is clearly unfair to Senator McCain and unfairly publicized Obama and they do not show the liars, cheated, and twisted of Mr. Obama. Mr. Biden is just like the current VP Mr. Dick Cheney, good old boy system.

Posted by: Media Created Obamabad | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I do not undersand how anyone can be undecided after seven years. It's as if "undecided voters" missed Iraq, missed Katrina, missed the economic bailout, missed no child left behind, and now wait for an accent, a wink, or a fistfight during a debate to help them make up their minds.

Posted by: Sam | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Sarah came across to me as brash and
mouthy with nothing of importance to say
but promotion of herself. I will not
vote for McCain because of his pick of VP. At least Obama graduated cumlaude.

Posted by: Morgaine | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Expert47!!! LMAO!!!!! So funny!!!

Posted by: lezzard | October 3, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I wouldn't mind if Nobama gets elected. The recession won't go away...regardless of who gets in...and Democratic policies don't stimulate economic growth (please reference Jimmy Carter and Democratic Congress circa 1976-1980). Despite the economic pain Carter brought down on this country and his disastrous foreign affairs policy, we did wind up with Ronald Reagan as a result!

So a one term disaster with Barry and Pelosi at the helm might net us the next great conservative Republican President and not a RINO like McCain.

Posted by: S Smith | October 3, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

She claims that she will help families with special needs children. She cut funding in her state by 62%. I have a special needs child, she hasnt even met hers yet. Stop acting like you "get it". From what I've seen, she doesnt get much!

Posted by: karen | October 3, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Falin was all over the place! I think she did improve last night but folks give me a break it was a debate for VP of USA. The jokes made her look like stupid and ignorant hockey mom. Alaskans and the GOP should be embarrassed by her performance. My favorite joke was when she kept winking at us... and don`t forget she`s only 5 weeks on the running for VP. Why should I vote for her??? Can a brighter and smarter Conservative Republican answer my question??

Posted by: Lane | October 3, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Frightened:
Are you a govenor??

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Guys. I am amazed by this whole thing. Over here in Europe, our politicians are grilled in the most ferocious of ways, no holds barred, by aggressive journalists all the time. In the US, they complain about "gotcha" journalism at questions like "What newspaper..?" What was that all about? Does anyone know why she just didn't say anything that came into her head? There is the famous incident where BBC's Paxman asked Michael Howard the same question 14 times over again. And Howard was a planet-brain compared to Palin. Check it out on YouTube. How would she cope with being cross-examined in the way that due diligence demands that any future VP should be? I hate to see someone struggling, but she is so way out of her depth it's cruel. Why is it that so many in the US can't see it? She's gonna be carrying the nuclear (noo-cul-ur) codes if you're not careful. God help us.

Posted by: dh | October 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

It was a great debate. Sorry Lib's, Palin won. Biden is the typical slick politician. The example that comes to mind was the gay marrage question. Boy, it took 5 minutes, but now we really know that the Dems/Obama are really not for gay marrage. whewwww! Say it aint so Joe!

Posted by: Steve | October 3, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"But seriously folks, John McCain has a form of cancer that kills almost 100% of everyone who has it in 10 years."

Gail, you're an idiot....... From the American Academy of Dermatology's website: "[M]elanoma is usually curable when detected in its early stages."
http://www.aad.org/public/publications/pamphlets/sun_skin.html

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Yes Palin is MORE qualified to assume the presidency than is Barrack Hussein Obama. He's done NOTHING except vote "present" a couple of hundred times and sit in the church pew of a racist for twenty years. Oh yeah, I forgot Barry's a "community organizer", whatever the heck that is. Is that code for racist shake down artist?

Yeah the winking by Palin was a bit much, but if you think that the buffoon Biden's (AKA Scranton Scrapper) failed attempt at throwing out false numbers right and left is presidential then I feel VERY sorry for you.

Your "leaders" have been in charge of this country for the last two years yet all you libs can blame is Bush. He's made his share of mistakes, but I think Nancy Polosi and Harry Reid promised the American public that they and their cast of half-wits had an answer to the energy problem. I'm still waiting. All I hear is ten years, ten years...If it actually takes ten years that will be because you US hating lefties are impeding progress by tying everything up in court.

Posted by: DDB | October 3, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are the most loyal followers I've ever heard of.

When I was in Iraq I had a lot of friends. One or two were republicans, but none from rich households. They seem to save their loyalty and bravery for chat rooms and editorials and telling others how they should live their lives. Do what I say and not what I do kinda people.

Palin's definitely in that class. Anything to win, nothing to back it up.
Wants to lead but can't even lead her own family.Reminds me of Bush. Head down, gonna win no matter what it costs America.

Oh, and you can best believe her brave son will be fighting from waaaayyyy back behind the lines. No one will risk a candidates son.

Posted by: Marcus | October 3, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Golly gee gosh darn it, it sure will be keen to have a VP who has so much respect for education!

Both of the democratic candidates have achieved doctorates - Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School. The academic "experience" of the two republicans should be considered an act of terrorism to the electorate.

Blazer

Posted by: Blazer | October 3, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Saving herself from herself was the only thing Palin did in the debate... if that.

But saving yourself from yourself is not even remotely a rational standard by which to judge qualification to be Vice President, an officer who's major reason for existing is to take over in case the President is incapacitated or dies.

During the Cuban Missle Crisis, JFK was faced with conflicting assessments and opinions from his cabinet, the JCS -everyone.

Intellgence, and photo reconnaissance
clearly showed the threat was immediate and real. JFK was in teletype communication with the Russians.... the enemy.

Both sides had factions that were urging their respective leaders to launch preemptive actions of all sorts against the other.

JFK was able to both avert the disaster of nuclear war AND make the Russians back down... even in spite of a temporary teletype failure that had his generals urging him to launch a preemptive attack.
This situation was concurrently occurring in Russia.

In this day and age, that sort of scenario is the only one that people can claim as a standard by which to judge a potential President or Vice president and still claim to be part of what Jefferson termed the "informed public."

Does Palin come anywhere close to meeting that standard???

No.

Posted by: plaza04433 | October 3, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I am sorely disappointed that Ms. Palin is the best that we could bring forth for this election. This is embarrassing and depressing, to say the least. I can not, as a proud American who strongly believes in our Constitution, vote for the Republican duo of Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin. It terrifies me that these two could be leading our country in the coming years. There are many Republicans who are joining me, I am sure. We have to do what is right for our country and not what is technically "Republican." Here it goes: Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden are the best choice to lead our country! They have my vote!

Posted by: Rachel Republican | October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

From reading these comments, I can see that many of the Sarah Palin supporters seem to have sort of a religious vibe to them, with their "Jesus this" and their "Jesus that". America is not a Catholic/Christian country, though the government and media to try to make it seem that way. Whatever happened to the separation of Church/State? The person to run this country should be intelligent and intellectual, regardless of race, ethnicity, or religion.

I am an Asian American (born and raised in Portland, Oregon) Buddhist myself, and Obama is the perfect man to be leading the charge as America changes from "White America" to more of a melting pot. America is supposed to be the land of opportunity, and Obama knows that. Even if Obama was Muslim (as uneducated people have tried to spread), I would still vote for him, because he is intelligent and was not raised up in that "Washington" atmosphere.

I vote for Obama not because of his race, but for his intelligence. If it was just specifically Obama vs. McCain, Then I might have a problem choosing. My decision is based on that I see Obama, McCain, and Biden as being intelligent and intellectual men (notice how I left out Pain). So I see the race as 2 vs. 1, with the democrats edging out the republicans SPECIFICALLY because of Sarah Palin's lack of knowledge.

And on character, the difference between George W. Bush and Sarah Palin is that he is kinda genuine folksy and Palin has really put up that act. George Bush may have run a terrible presidency, but I would love to have him as a cool neighbor. Palin is vicious (did you see that jab about Biden's "unfunny" joke? that was uncalled for), and her charm is forced and fake. Just on character I would have voted for Bush in 2000 (although I was like... 12 when that happened, and with a total lack of knowledge on his policies and politics and what not), because I liked the guy. I like to judge my candidates on character first, and Biden looks the most presidential to me (followed by Obama and McCain with a tie, Palin dead last, even after myself).

Posted by: Steven at UW | October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Just a few months ago Biden said Obama was not ready to be President/Its not a good place for "on the job training". A short time before that he said he would be "honored" to be McCain's running mate. Last night he claimed he knew that Iraq would be a long multi-year campaign, that the Sheite/Sunni problem would not be resolved etc. Didn't he vote for the war? It seems to show that now that he is running for VP what he said then is no longer pertinent to him. Amazing!
As to last night, can you think of any situation where someone with 35 years of experience could go into a debate with someone who has 5 weeks in his arena and have anyone say the newbie had a chance? Well she not only held her own most unbiased viewers say she won!!

Posted by: DJL-independent | October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

having a timetable in war situation is ridicules. What would be the out come of say a football game if one team told the other that they were getting out at mid 3rd quarter?

Posted by: JunkKicker2008 | October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Umm experience says stick to what you don't like about her other than her hair and accent. Ok, how about her inability to string together coherent sentences? How about the fact that she doesn't know anything about foreign policy, domestic policy or economic policy, education, health care...Shall I continue?

If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

Posted by: Be reasonable | October 3, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Just a few months ago Biden said Obama was not ready to be President/Its not a good place for "on the job training". A short time before that he said he would be "honored" to be McCain's running mate. Last night he claimed he knew that Iraq would be a long multi-year campaign, that the Sheite/Sunni problem would not be resolved etc. Didn't he vote for the war? It seems to show that now that he is running for VP what he said then is no longer pertinent to him. Amazing!
As to last night, can you think of any situation where someone with 35 years of experience could go into a debate with someone who has 5 weeks in his arena and have anyone say the newbie had a chance? Well she not only held her own, most unbiased viewers say she won!!

Posted by: DJL-independent | October 3, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama the senator from the 57th state?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope that this smooth performance by Palin will delude her and her advisors into believing she actually does know what she is talking about. Then we may get to see the real Sarah Palin again, instead of an attractive parrot. Unfortunately, she will probably be put straight back into isolation, until after the election.

Posted by: Fiscal Conservative/Social Liberal | October 3, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Shear stupidity, I want to be a journalist four the Washington Post to! I really see things threw the same lens. I don't suffer from homophonia like the conservatives.

Posted by: fred | October 3, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Lane,
i am not a conservative, but I will try and answer your question.

Congress went in two years ago and promised to end the Iraq war = they didn't

Congress for two years has been promising to open Energy Exploration = they still haven't

Congress went in and promised middle class and lower income works tax breaks and incentives = they didn't and while I was unemployed this year, I noticed that they jacked up the tax rates on my unemployment check.

Here's the breakdown:

Mcain = 35 years of experience (not including his military experience. Bipartisan record, campaign finance reform, voted to go into Bosnia.
WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE SURGE

Obama = 2 years in the Senate (and barely voted for anything) and 2 years in the IL state senate (Present). No record of voting beyond party lines.
STILL CANNOT ADMIT THE SURGE WORKED.

If experience is your bugaboo then you better vote Mcain

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

"Media is clearly unfair to Senator McCain and unfairly publicized Obama and they do not show the liars, cheated, and twisted of Mr. Obama. Mr. Biden is just like the current VP Mr. Dick Cheney, good old boy system."

You obvously have not heard of Faux News... check it out.

The whole point of real journalism and real media, is not to make everyone look perfect. When there is a problem, they are supposed to point it out. Just because there are more problems with McCain than Obama, doesn't mean that the media is biased.

Posted by: Patrick | October 3, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear "Anonymous",

Thank you for your respectful comment. A little research shows that John McCain has had recurring melanoma which IS a very deadly form of cancer. Please see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHvJPGnkQxE
Thank you.

Posted by: Gail | October 3, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing how pathetically low our standards have become in America. Republicans are rejoicing because the bar was so low for Palin that they see her performance as a victory. As a life long Republican, I have never been more disgusted with my party. The past 8 years of this idiot Bush were bad enough, now we nominate a bird brained idiot to be a step away from the Presidency of the United States. We have lost our minds.

Posted by: Cappy | October 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Every word out of her mouth was rehearsed and put in there by the McCain camp. Im surprised her responses weren't pre-recorded and when she opened her mouth she started to skip! I've never seen anything like it!

Posted by: john | October 3, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

What the debates need now is an obnoxious buzzer, a la quiz shows, when debaters don't answer the question asked. Then participants rejected after 3 buzzes.

Posted by: abagail | October 3, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Biden would make a better President and VP
or than Palin.

Palin worked the camera better.

Biden did excellent job representing Obama, himself, and fathers!

Posted by: Mr. Unite Us | October 3, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the last line says ''shear'' (meaning to cut closely) instead of ''sheer''.

Not that I have much right to comment on US elections, but I didn't think she was that bad. I only watched the debate because I wanted her to make some dreadful gaffe, but then she didn't, and I ended up thinking the more of her for it.

I did, however, notice that her habit of thickening her accent and using a cute down-home style while smiling broadly whenever she couldn't answer the question EXACTLY fit SNL's comment from Amy P. as Katie Couric, "it seems that when backed into a corner, you become increasingly adorable''.

Posted by: Tanya Bilsbury | October 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that many choose to say Palin was spouting practiced puppet lines, but not other candidates. Funny...if you listen, they all do. That's what debates are now--I do not see what good they do in the format they currently are. I do think Gov. Palin showed great restraint in not noting to Senator Biden "at least McCain voted in Congress!"

As for the Pres. Debate, I was dismayed that Senator Obama lacked respect by omitting Senator McCain's congressional title off his name when addressing his opponent's ideas.

Posted by: Andrea | October 3, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break Americans. We are voting for the leader of the free world not Mom of the year.

I heard nothing from Palin with regard to the very important issues facing our nation right now or what she and McCain would do if elected. Biden gave us a lot of details, explanation and a plan.


Obama/Biden O8!!

Posted by: Michigan Economy | October 3, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

POOR PEOPLE!...You just dont think for yourselves...Its absolutely the TWISTED MEDIA you read talking through your MINDS...I feel really sorry for all the voters that never actually THINK. Shame on you!! It's up to you to change our country's future for God's sake with the right choice, and I know you KNOW who deserves to win, undoubtedly. QUIT THIS OBAMA PUPPET SHOW FOR REAL...
Go Mccain-Palin,
Go USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jessica | October 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Marcus you are a moron. No one has put more freedom constraining laws on the books than have the Democrats.

And oh by the way, I fought for my country. You talk about Palin's kid being far from the front. You don't know that as fact, but you're a lib and libs don't need facts, do you? Do you think Biden's kid is at the tip of the spear? Do us all a favor and keep your stupidity to yourself.

Posted by: DDB | October 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Be Reasonable:
You still have not given me anything that shows anything about Obama's decision making. And in fact, making yourself look like a partisan
:-O shock!

How many of the 150K that you mention were actually legal to vote?

8 years VOTING PRESENT does NOT mean he voted for anything, he was just, you know, present!

spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor =WRONG AGAIN - HE WAS NOT a constitual law professor - he never made tenure and never actually taught any classes.

Funny you say she doesn't know anything about foreign policy, but she does know BIDEN VOTED FOR THE WAR!

keep drinking the kool aid, must be doing you well.

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Well as is always the case, it doesn't matter who's side you're on the person who you're voting for is the best candidate. So arguing about who won the debate is pointless unless you see the numbers trending in the battleground states towards Obama. McSame has up and left in Michigan since he knows he can't win there. Palin was a quick bump and a long fall. You know it's not good when even your own party is talking about replacing you as the running mate with a sock puppet. In a few months everyone will realize that putting Palin one heartbeat away from the presidency would be a grave error. Yea, we can now take back the Constitution, habeaus corpus and partially reconstruct the respect that we've lost.

Posted by: Be reasonable | October 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

palin should only have reminded biden that his decades of tireless service to this country has landed us exactly where we are - in deep deep trouble. thanks joe great job!!!! his efforts have only been complimented by the same efforts of the house and the senate - we know who controls those. is there no end to the stupidity of liberals. i dont care if she talks different or not. for the first time in my life i'm voting for the republicans. it does pain me somewhat but i cannot bring myself to vote for "Curious George". i loved those books as a child but i never dreamed he was going to be on the top of the democratic ticket.

Sophistication is no substitute for common sense. every man alive knows what biden was smiling about last night as he was being dominated by palin. you go girl

Posted by: lynn | October 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely YES...Go MCCAIN*PALIN...Go USA!

Posted by: Josh | October 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

That fake "folksy" winking and "doggonit" talk is very insulting to the American people.

http://reversemortgagesandiego.org/index.php

Posted by: Scott | October 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

America has already lost respect abroad. Can you imagine Palin in negotiations with the world's heads of state!!! Or would they just giggle at the American hillbilly? Or ask her to make the coffee?

Posted by: Vivienne | October 3, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I give Gov. Palin an E for effort. But flunked the debate, avoiding(not answering) important questions she would need to answer should she (God forbid!), be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
This is not a beauty contest or popularity contest. This is serious business! A pivotal time in our nations' history. Again she is clearly out of her league. Sen McCain should be ashamed of himself for picking her for vp. Says a lot about judgement if he were president.
No way, No how, No McCain-Palin.

Posted by: Trent | October 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Keep your empty air headed rhetoric - show me the money.

Every indicator of the enconomy (which were at previous all times highs for each of the financial markets when the dims came in) started tanking exactly when dimocraps took over congress.

GAS Prices 11/06 $2.22/gallon
GAS Prices September 29, 2008: $3.89/Gallon

DOW 10/06 11,900
DOW September 29, 2008: 10,365.45

NASDAQ 11/06 2,550
NASDAQ September 29, 2008: 1983.73

CPI 11/06 197.6
CPI, September 29, 2008: 219

Dollar exchange with Euro Nov - 06 8.823
Dollar exchange with Euro, Sept. 29, 2008: .695


Exactly how do you dismanltle an econmoy so quickly? Think like a Dimocrap and try to destroy the country for the betterment of your party.

YEAH BABY - THAT'S CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Republicans = terrorists. You have lied, and destroyed this country. McCain/Palin will destroy it further. You pretend to represent Joe six pack, but you only want to pick his/her pockets.

Posted by: soph | October 3, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Man, the partisanship running rampant in political commentary these days is really disheartening. Is it necessary for us to tack on insults and personal jabs when we discuss things with members of the opposing party? Whatever happened to agreeing to disagree? Whatever happened to being able to show someone common respect and decency, even though you don't see eye-to-eye?

We need to be honest with ourselves, here. I'm a left-leaning individual, but even though I think Biden showed solid immense knowledge of the current world scene, I can also admit that he told some half-truths. The same can absolutely be said for Palin. It's up to us as citizens to make sure we don't get caught up in ridiculous party ideology -- we should all be doing our research through non-partisan avenues like Factcheck.org or PolitiFact.

The biggest problem we seem to be facing is the fact that the media, whatever its bias may be, completely distorts and belittles the most important process in American politics. The presidential election has turned into a battle of sound bites and gaffes; we should all be insulted that something like "lipstickgate" can take up multiple days of airtime in this country. And then you have outlets like Fox News, lying to the public with their "Fair and Balanced" graphics. Look, I have no problem with bias, and MSNBC is starting to look more and more like the liberal Fox, but at least Keith Olbermann isn't masking his editorial comments with facades like "THE NO SPIN ZONE."

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin sure was safe and smug in the knowledge that she was free to attack with half-truths, for which Senator Biden would have been excoriated, wasn’t she? All the Governor had to avoid was a wardrobe malfunction and the media applauds her ‘success’.

I can’t think of any better example of disingenuous behavior as to chide Senator Biden with a folksy “Oh say it isn’t so, Joe...” , going on to say she is so outside Washington she guessed she just isn’t used to the “voting for the war before you were against it”. How ‘bout that Bridge to Nowhere up there in her little back yard? She was for it until she said, "No thanks” (but kept the money!).

I do not fault a person for a million-dollar personal income stream – that’s what makes America great, right? – but to pretend to be “just like all the other moms out there” struggling with expenses, just goes beyond the pale. In every way possible, both Governor Palin and Senator McCain ARE another Bush team – deflection, ridicule, and the vocabulary of rubes hallmarks of their character.

Just what about a “Maverick” qualifies a person to be either the President or VP?

Posted by: KK | October 3, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

people...do reasearch trye factsheck.org

FactChecking Biden-Palin Debate
October 3, 2008
The candidates were not 100 percent accurate. To say the least.
Summary
Biden and Palin debated, and both mangled some facts.

Palin mistakenly claimed that troop levels in Iraq had returned to “pre-surge” levels. Levels are gradually coming down but current plans would have levels higher than pre-surge numbers through early next year, at least.
Biden incorrectly said “John McCain voted the exact same way” as Obama on a controversial troop funding bill. The two were actually on opposite sides.


Palin repeated a false claim that Obama once voted in favor of higher taxes on “families” making as little as $42,000 a year. He did not. The budget bill in question called for an increase only on singles making that amount, but a family of four would not have been affected unless they made at least $90,000 a year.
Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. Biden was referring to an amendment that didn't address taxes at that income level.
Palin claimed McCain’s health care plan would be “budget neutral,” costing the government nothing. Independent budget experts estimate McCain's plan would cost tens of billions each year, though details are too fuzzy to allow for exact estimates.


Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.

Palin wrongly claimed that “millions of small businesses” would see tax increases under Obama’s tax proposals. At most, several hundred thousand business owners would see increases.

For full details on these misstatements, and on additional factual disputes and dubious claims, please read on to the Analysis section.

Posted by: freespritedislandgirl | October 3, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

hMM, Be Reasonable, singing a new tune??
Won't last long either, Obama's up trend. Just wait until all the pork from the bail out bill hits the fan, and you can see how much money Obama and Biden directed to ACORN, etc.

Does it not scare you that Obama made almost 18 million from Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac?
Or that the guy that ran Lehman Bros. is the head of the Economic Team?

Guessing not, frickin kool aid gets you everytime!

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, so far neither of Obama or Palin has any experiences. ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT OBAMA HAD SUGGESTED, IT WILL BECOME THE WORST FOR BOTH PATIENTS AND PHYSICIANS.

Posted by: Democrat For McCain | October 3, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

thank you Democrat for Mcain, I can now sleep knowing that at least a handful of you have not drank the kool aid! Thank goodness!!

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Homophonia lessons anywon?

Posted by: fred | October 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden came accross as knowledgeable, BUT he distorted, exaggerated and made completely false statements in last nights
debate. Sen. Joe Biden arrived in Washington as a card carrying liberal. There IS Media Bias...but it's gone beyond that to hurt Gov. Sarah Palin. Palin looked Biden in the eye with a smile .. what a debate last night! It was so obvious last night -it was an amazing performance by Gov. Palin because she was able to transcend the media and talk directly to the American people...... UNEDITED, NO GOTCHA QUESTIONS. She is smart, intelligent, well informed and authentic...and she connects to the American People.
Sarah Palin is a Reagan Conservative and we need a leader like her. Sarah Palin is the change we need!!! Barrack Obama is not qualified to be Commander in Chief.

Posted by: Sandy | October 3, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Dennis,

I respect that you like Palin as a person. Sure, she seems nice, like she could be your friend, someone who understands what your life is like. But think about your good friends, people you know and like. Would you want them running the country? If you want to vote for her because you honestly think she's a good candidate, I support that. But I think you should spend some time convincing me why she is qualified to run this country. Do a little research, think about it and let me know. If you can convince me that she is qualified, then I just may vote for her.

Posted by: Average Joe | October 3, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

She played well to her audience - the fundamentalist nut jobs and those with IQs below 100. Whether of not that crowd will swing the election remains to be seen.

Posted by: Grace | October 3, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Lynn:

"palin should only have reminded biden that his decades of tireless service to this country has landed us exactly where we are - in deep deep trouble. thanks joe great job!!!!"

Couldn't one argue that McCain is cut from the exact same cloth? They've both been entrenched in the political scene for decades. The difference is that Joe Biden isn't currently running for President. Palin and Obama are the real "outsiders" in this campaign.

"is there no end to the stupidity of liberals. i dont care if she talks different or not. for the first time in my life i'm voting for the republicans."

This has an insincere ring to it. So you're a conservative who's never voted Republican? I find that puzzling.

"it does pain me somewhat but i cannot bring myself to vote for "Curious George". i loved those books as a child but i never dreamed he was going to be on the top of the democratic ticket."

I won't address what I feel could be underlying racism in that comment, because that could just be the way I'm reading it. I'd just like to point out that Curious George has actually been in office for the past 8 years:

http://www.balmes-online.de/Bush_-_CuriousGeorge.jpg

I rest my case.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Where I live and work, a not-too-accomplished woman in the workplace who uses her good looks and personality mixed with a dollop of flirtation to get ahead is called a Fluff Muffin.

Sarah Palin is a Fluff Muffin Extraordinaire.

Posted by: Carmen Cameron | October 3, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Whew. Now that the debate's over, and now that the bail out's over, stay tuned for how much it's going to cost you and how you go about paying. See "Smarter than this" at


http://writingfrontier.com/2008/09/28/smarter-than-this/

Posted by: Writing Frontier | October 3, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Well, so far neither of Obama or Palin has any experiences. ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM THAT OBAMA HAD SUGGESTED, IT WILL BECOME THE WORST FOR BOTH PATIENTS AND PHYSICIANS."

Obama becoming president will be the end of the world! The health care system is broken, and Obama providing health care to people who cannot afford it on their own will destroy us all!

I really do wish people would include some logic in their rambling. So please, why?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Our country is in dire trouble when someone like this is a serious contender ... please, People, take a long, hard look at this person. Ms. Palin is NOT the person we want as Vice President. Some of us may really want a woman as Vice President/President, but that is not reason enough to ignore the glaring horrors of what she would bring to office.

Posted by: Rachel Republican | October 3, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I too was a hockey mom, but you can be sure I don't use phrases or words like dog gone it, also though, doin, goin, got cha, nu'cue'lar, fills (feels), bein' offered now, ETC.
Can you imagine her talking and winking and smiling through diplomatic negotiations regarding something that doesn't involve hunting or hockey?
And we are also not honored to be called "Joe six packs." What in the he** is a Joe six pack?
How is she middle class? She makes $125K a year, her husband has a PT job that pays $47K, a fishing job that pays $230K, she billed the state an additional $17K for sleeping in her house, etc. and they have a private plane and a 1/2 million dollar house. Middle class compared to who? McCain?
But what I found most offensive is their excuse that the media is mean, and picked on the defenceless girl. Her debate time needed to be shortened. Biden was warned not to be too hard on the lady. What? Would they have ever asked for that for Hillary? no way. Because she is seasoned enough, tough enough, intelligent enough to handle the job. Palin needs handled with kid gloves. That alone is offensive to me as a woman, an American and as somewith with an IQ over 70 (I would have said higher, but I might have offended Sarah;-(.

Posted by: PJC | October 3, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Umm, Experience?:

You failed to point out that McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis was on the Freddie Mac payroll until August of this year. Do your research -- a lot of his staff are similarly connected to one of those institutions.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I guess when Palin was talking about waving the white flag at the debate, she was talking about Michigan

Posted by: steve | October 3, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I am from Alaska. I grew up in Wasilla. I'm proud of Sarah's rise as anyone should be of anyone from their small town. She has done an OK job as Gov. But to think that a large contingent of voters of America are going to be swayed just because she can relate to "Joe SixPack" and "Momma SoccerMiniVan" and feel it makes her qualified to be the understudy to the Leader of the Free World is scary. I don't want someone who could easily be confused for "one of us" to be in the White House... I want a professional, be it Obama, McCain or Biden. Governor Palin did okay in the debate, she was the clear winner in the "Style" portion of the paegent; Biden took the "Substance" category. To use some of the Gov's phrases: Ya gotta lov'er, she's cute, she's smart and gosh-darnit people like her, but this is not a popularity contest. She agrees with Cheney's view of the Vice Prsidential position... that should be enough to change anyones mind.

I'm one of those so-called "Reagan Democrats" and I'm proud that I helped vote her in as Governor, but I also know that McCain made a huge mistake in naming her his running-mate. It was a cunning albeit very smart move to try to scoop up the dis-heartned "Hillaries" out there, but it was a ploy. Watch the debate again and try not to get suckered in to that cutesy Fargo crap... scratch that. Read a transcript of the debate, you'll find that the eye-winking, folksy homespun question dodging does not translate well.

Also: don't take your eyes off the ball. We are voting for McCain or Obama, not Palin or McCain.
Stay informed and don't follow the herd.

www.FactCheck.org

Posted by: V | October 3, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

You facists, sorry, Repubs, keep blaming the MSM for Palin's lack of intelligence. When has she actually addresed the MSM. She dodges them because she is incapable. It is easier to dodge questions and have the blowhards on FOX declare you great than to be exposed as a fraud. Go back to the great white north, Sarah.

Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I think what scares the detractors here is that Palin comes with a reputation for grinding up the evil doers, something much needed in this country. I hope she gets to do to the fed what she did in AK Clean the place out - way over due!!!

Posted by: Rex | October 3, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

One person on TV put summed it up just nicely. Palin spent the night reading exactly what was written for her. She is a parroit in a skirt. Everything she said was just a rehasing of her speech at the Republican Conviention, and there was nothing new; the same way there will be nothing new if her and McCain are put in the White House.

Posted by: Eugene | October 3, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"I guess when Palin was talking about waving the white flag at the debate, she was talking about Michigan"

Michigan... hmmmmm... is that in Eye-rack?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

palin is as qualified as Wwas when he ran and look what that got us. neither obama or mccain deserves you vote. i live in arizona and will not even vote to re-elect mccain to his current position in the senate.

Posted by: aldowatts | October 3, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

V:

"Also: don't take your eyes off the ball. We are voting for McCain or Obama, not Palin or McCain.
Stay informed and don't follow the herd.

www.FactCheck.org"

Thank you for that. I totally agree, and I think that your commentary was insightful and refreshing overall.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

we are missing the most important point-Obama is the muslim communist with a communist agenda for this great country.Do we need the muslim communist in our WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, please disregard the most recent Anonymous' ignorant, uninformed hatespeech.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

you notice how these phony quacks spend 10 days attacking her and calling her a 'tard, and then, when she schools the old boring biden, they run to the "well, she couldn't do any worse than I said she would."

YOU ARE A FRAUD! I love to see the sophists in a fit.

Posted by: 100,604 | October 3, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, you should change your name to moron.

Posted by: Cappy | October 3, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Even a parrot can repeat sentences given enough preparation.

Why does Palin refuse to answer direct questions, and change the topic to energy??

Posted by: woody | October 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks.
Actually that was supposed to read "We are voting for McCain or Obama, not Palin or Biden." whoops.

Posted by: V | October 3, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess when Palin was talking about waving the white flag at the debate, she was talking about Michigan

Posted by: steve | October 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Gail, once again, you are an idiot:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09mccain.html
From the New York Times:

"The melanoma removed in 2000 was Stage IIa on a standard classification that makes Stage IV the most serious. For Stage IIa melanoma, the survival rate 10 years after diagnosis is about 65 percent. But the outlook is much better for patients like Mr. McCain, who have already survived more than seven years.

For patients with a melanoma like Mr. McCain’s who remained free of the disease for the first five years after diagnosis, the probability of recurrence during the next five years was 14 percent and death 9 percent, a study published in 1992 found.

No spread has been detected in the three or four dermatologic checkups Mr. McCain has undergone each year since 2000, stress tests show no evidence of heart disease, and “his doctors consider him in very good health.”

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

But there is more-Obama broke the law when he bought that house together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in our WH?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

i rest my case

i thought we where debating vp's to vp's. one argumetn at a time

i apreciate you being puzzled - i have never voted reppublican, the endless STUPIDITY of us, me and probably you is ending with this call to bring curious george to lead our country.

bush to a monkey okay it's done, it's over

i was hoping not to have another one. as i said i read most if not all of the "curious george" books. his antics and ears remind me of obama. no racism intended

the books are entertaining and so is obama. neither of them should be leading this country

Posted by: lynn | October 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

To elaborate:

If you're going to attack Barack Obama on his politics, that's fine, but to keep parroting these unsubstantiated memes simply bauds down the process. It's a well-documented fact that the man's not a Muslim. Did you even bother to fact-check that before spewing it back onto the internet?

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Gosh golly gee!! Well, ya know...looky there....Sarah did a whizbang job, funny as ever doncha know! Now THAT''S for sure, you better believe, what the White House needs! Ya sure you betcha! *wink* ''Well hiya ya Putin-y...ain''t ya lookin'' darlin'' *wink* take a load off!'' [More GREAT SNL material for Ms. Fey.]

Posted by: Leslie M | October 3, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

is this written by a college intern? i thought this was like, a real paper? wow, how embarrassing for this lady, her "work" at what not. pathetic!

Posted by: 100,604 | October 3, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama is neither a Muslim (nothing wrong if he was) nor a communist. He is someone who is capable of intelligent and nuanced thought which is more than the poster above can muster. Obama '08

Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

For goodness sake, will at least ONE of you Palin supporters please give me some hard facts about why she is qualified. I am not a democrat, I am not a strong supporter of either party, I am not trying to say that your choosing Palin is wrong. I am honestly interested in what makes her qualified. So far neither McCain, Palin, or any of their supporters have told me anything that I would call specific when it comes to her qualifications.

Posted by: Average Joe | October 3, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Some company-REZKO,REV RIGHT,TERRORISTS,OBAMA,OBAMA,SCUMBAG AXELROD AND MANY MANY MORE

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Despite seemingly far off at times, I'm glad God is in control of the situation. Never place your hope in people, instead place your hope in the All-Mighty He alone is soveriegn over the election, over the president, and over the nations. IN times like these I find comfort knowing the "heart of the king is like a river in God's hands - He directs it where He wills". God bless America and may God deal with us ever so wisely even if we turn our backs on Him.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Palin did a great job last nite trying to save McCain. It is too bad McCain appears to be another Bob Dole (listless) candidate. McCain has been getting absolutely horrible campaign advice and all of his advisors should be fired. They should have capitalized on Palin's magnetism and had her on all of the talk shows after the convention. Why didn't his campaign do it? Maybe his advisors are democrats? Palin 2012!

Posted by: Dan | October 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

What disappoints me is Biden didn't bring up the following about Palin herself.

When she claims Obama is raising taxes, Biden should jump all over that given what she did in her home town as mayor, and what she did to oil prices in 2007.

There are many points that she raises that could be jumped on if the Democarts were paying more attention to her record.

READ ON....

McCain blamed earmarks for high food and gasoline prices and the trouble many homeowners face in making mortgage payments. He pledged again to veto any bill that contains such funding.

Palin has sought $197 million worth of earmarks for 2009, down about 25 percent from the $256 million she sought in the 2008 budget year. As mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska, she hired a lobbyist to seek federal money for special projects. Wasilla obtained 14 earmarks, totaling $27 million, between 2000 and 2003, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense.

Palin did formally end the infamous pork-barrel project from tiny Ketchikan to remote Gravina Island. But by the time she ended it, most of the state had turned against it, and much of the funding from Congress had been diverted to other road projects. In 2006, she campaigned in favor of the federal funds for the bridge to an island with 50 inhabitants and an airport and only abandoned it last year "after the project had become an embarrassment to the state, after federal dollars for the project were pulled back and diverted to other uses in Alaska," according to the Associated Press. As independent fact-checking website Politifact notes, "Palin didn't kill it, she just performed the last rites."


OIL TAX

Over the course of 2007, Palin fought to raise taxes on oil companies. Alaska gets about 85 percent of its state revenue from oil taxes, and as fuel prices skyrocketed, Palin complained the state wasn't getting its share of the windfall. She successfully pushed for a law that raised taxes on oil profits. The increase amounted to an estimated $1.6-billion annually more for the state. Thanks to the addition of these new taxes, that is double the amount it received the year before.


We've already checked her claim that she sent "a large share of that revenue directly back to the people of Alaska."

On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted that would send $1,200 to every Alaskan who qualifies. That comes to about $741-million for state residents.

The administration of Alaska's governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan to help them pay for gas. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account.

Think what a family of 7 could do with that money (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means for every family an additional $22,400.00. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!

That's a fancy way of describing wealth redistribution, i.e., downright communism. And that is real change we can believe in. Will she do the same for the Lower 48 states?

Well, in my state I want to know why Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't got those big fact checks from the oil companies for every citizen of California. What's wrong with him? Common Arnie, get us on that gravy train, too.


FISCAL CONSERVATIVE

Sarah Palin’s portrait as a fiscal conservative when she ran the city of Wasilla, Alaska, as its mayor from 1996 to 2002. However, the truth is during her 6 years as mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33 percent.

According to figures provided by the city of Wasilla, the operating budget for Wasilla went from $6,050,160 in fiscal year 1996 to $9,393,768 in 2002. That’s a 55 percent increase.

A huge increases in tax revenues during her administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though; borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? Or a new library?

No! $1 million for a park, $15 million-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex...She also supported bonds for $5.5 million for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 years without any borrowing.

Ms. Palin ordered city employees not to talk to the press. And she used city money to buy a white Suburban for the mayor’s use — employees sarcastically called it the mayor-mobile.

The fiscal year ending 1996 (when Palin took the reins), which showed the city’s long-term debt at $1.12 million, mostly for paving and sewer projects. The annual financial report for fiscal year ending June 30, 2002 — Palin’s last year in office — shows that the total long-term debt was $24.8 million. Long-term debt increased $23.7 million.

From $1.1 million to $23.7million – that is one large increase.

OOOHHH, THOSE REPUBLICAN ECONOMICS…GOLLY GEE


AND HOW HAVE THOSE PROJECTS WORKED OUT …. hummmm

WASILLA, Alaska — The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters.

The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin’s legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla.

“It’s too bad that the city of Wasilla didn’t do their homework and secure the land before they began construction,” said Kathy Wells, a longtime activist here. “She was not your ceremonial mayor; she was in charge of running the city. So it was her job to make sure things were done correctly.”

Litigation resulting from the dispute over Ms. Palin’s sports-complex project is still in the courts, with the land’s former owner seeking hundreds of thousands of additional dollars from the city.

Palin likes to say “Good judgment can make the difference between avoiding a crisis and managing a catastrophe.”

Indeed.

A PEA IN THE POD…..PALIN


ON SPENDING THAT HER BOSS JUST LOVES…NOT!!!

“Porky” Palin – hey, as it turns out, that pig does wear lipstick….wow!!!

After McCain said earlier this year that he won't "spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana," governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin, requested millions of dollars to study the DNA of harbor seals, among other things (including research on the mating habits of crabs.)

Intelligent people everywhere are both amused and appalled that Palin, who claims she is conservative when it comes to earmarks, would request federal money for a project nearly identical to one that McCain has mocked. The earmark is yet another example of how McCain and Palin are "hypocrites and liars."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/11/02449/9021

At the end of the clip, John McCain promises that he'll make the names of wasteful government spenders "famous."

Apparently, he kept his pledge: he picked one of them to be his veep.

“We’re not going to spend $3 million of your tax dollars to study the DNA of bears in Montana,” McCain has said during this year’s campaign, referring to a study he’s mocked for years of whether grizzlies need to keep their status as an endangered species.

Palin, meanwhile, has requested $3.2 million to be spent in part researching the “genetics of harbor seals,”

"Senator McCain said Governor Palin ‘learned that earmarks are bad’, but in 2008 alone Gov. Palin requested $256 million in earmarks for Alaska, and her state received more earmarks per person that any other state," said spokesman Tommy Vietor.

"The fact is that Governor Palin isn’t just good at getting pork projects, she’s one of the most successful pork barrel politicians in history."

OINK, OINK, BABE

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If when Irkle was editor of The Harvard Law Review he made such an amazing contribution- why is it impossible (not hard, but genuinely impossible) to find a single article he authored.

I'm not asking for 20, 10, 5 or even 2. I am asking for just 1.

Before you "elitists” libs say look up the definition of editor, I am an editor of a local paper. In my role I write at least half a dozen pieces a year, typically ones most important or most controversial within the city I live in.

Writing is one of the major roles as an editor; not performing spell check duties as most people think. It is also a role performed by every other editor on earth.

Again trolls; do not tell me about his two “books” (funny, more books than meaningful legislation). There exists an entire industry of people who anonymously pen books for those too stupid to write their own.

Is this the arena in which he honed his skills as a dodge artist – staying away from anything of substantive importance?

So again, Irkle, show us your goods. Let's see a single example of YOUR OWN brilliance, not what your script writers produced based on the daily wind direction and you rehearsed for weeks.

When you were so busy self aggrandizing but avoided unscripted debates, that should have been clue number one to most thinking Americans - and lucky for you, that leaves out 90% or more of those that support you.

Posted by: Columbia Obamabot wannabe for Mccain | October 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Lynn:

While we obviously disagree, I appreciate you taking the time to explain your position to me.

As for this:

"But there is more-Obama broke the law when he bought that house together with criminal REZKO.No wonder considering his Chicago mob connections.Do we need the criminal in our WH?"

Again, just look it up. Obama and Rezko had nothing to do with each other. The deal you're referring to involved Obama buying a small portion of a lot adjacent to the plot he already owned.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I correct myself: they've had dealings with the past, but the specifics of that particular deal have been hugely blown out of proportion.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Sarah did an awesome job connecting with all us soccer moms of America and we love her. The left just loves to hate her? Why? They are scared of her.

Posted by: Seattleite | October 3, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama is neither a Muslim (nothing wrong if he was) nor a communist. He is someone who is capable of intelligent and nuanced thought which is more than the poster above can muster.
Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 3:47 PM

----------------------------------------
DONT LIE.EVERYBODY NEW BY NOW THAT OBAMA IS THE MUSLIM COMMUNIST.INTELLIGENT????MOST OF THE TIMES OBAMA SOUNDS LIKE RETARD

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

RE: Are we voting for Palin or McCain? Considering John's age (72), and health, (pretty good for an ex-pow and ex-smoker),
he DOES have a 75-ish % chance of finishing a FIRST term.

Which leaves us with the God-help-us-all scenario of 25% chance of Madame President Palin before the end of the first term. And after that, the odds increase sharply.

We think Mrs. Palin is Presidential? No.
We think this is a poorly thought out marketing ploy to co-opt disgruntled women voters who were talking about jumping the Democratic ship after Hillary didn't make the Presidential slot. What do the ladies think now? Ask the national polls: not much.

Posted by: Woody | October 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Anonomous, did you forget to take your medicine again? Now go drink some Drano and go lie down for a nap.

Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

After spending two weeks in debate school, her respones were not natural, but she was a very good actress and gave scripted responses. How will she perform in real life is the question.

Posted by: Tweety | October 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Since Palin is a Washington outsider, she has no idea what it's like to have supported a position before she opposed it.

And if you believe that, she's got a bridge to sell you, and a basketful of earmarks.

Posted by: Herod the Freemason | October 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Palin-good eye candy but lacks authenticity as a viable candidate for Vice-President of the USA. Not buyin' what she's sellin'- although she is good fodder for SNL!!!! John McCain-what were you thinking??????? You had my vote until that unfortunate decision to select Palin-that tells me that you do not place value on the VP position for our country-she has been a well contrived distraction for your campaign-and nothing else. I get a few good laughs-pure entertainment-sorry John-but I am crossing over to Obama camp!!!!

Posted by: DG | October 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Tom wrote:

"If you ask a math professor at university a simple chemistry problem, I do not think the professor can give 100% percent right answers, but it dose not disqualify he/she being a professor."

True, but it does disqualify him/her from running for the post of Chair of Chemistry.

I know we all love the romantic notion that anyone can ascend to High Office, but suitable candidates need to demonstrate a head for heights, not a head full of helium.

Posted by: mal | October 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Average Joe, regarding why one should not vote for Obama/Biden, please see Anonymous at 3:25's most eloquent post regarding what happens when Democrats gain power. Here, I'll post it for you:

Keep your empty air headed rhetoric - show me the money.

Every indicator of the enconomy (which were at previous all times highs for each of the financial markets when the dims came in) started tanking exactly when dimocraps took over congress.

GAS Prices 11/06 $2.22/gallon
GAS Prices September 29, 2008: $3.89/Gallon

DOW 10/06 11,900
DOW September 29, 2008: 10,365.45

NASDAQ 11/06 2,550
NASDAQ September 29, 2008: 1983.73

CPI 11/06 197.6
CPI, September 29, 2008: 219

Dollar exchange with Euro Nov - 06 8.823
Dollar exchange with Euro, Sept. 29, 2008: .695


Exactly how do you dismanltle an econmoy so quickly? Think like a Dimocrap and try to destroy the country for the betterment of your party.

P.S. Anonymous at 3:25 wins my vote for post of the day!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

What happened to my posts critical of the quality of this journalism?

Posted by: Fred | October 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

She's either too stupid to realize how stupid she is or she thinks this is all just an amusing little game. She is an abomination. There are many capable, educated women who are actually qualified for the job. She is not one of those women. Vice president of the U.S. is a job that should be taken seriously. She treats it as a joke with all of her folksy little comments laced with bad grammar, the cutesy little winks and her smart assed demeanor. She is like a bad cartoon character.

Posted by: Cindy | October 3, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

you get em Hockey mom!!! Hockey moms can do it all WOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SandySS | October 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

JOE BIDEN'S 14 LIES TONIGHT

1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted "the exact same way" as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say that specifically, and Joe Biden actually attacked him for it.

3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, "Drill we must." But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to "raping" the Outer Continental Shelf.

4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of its passage.

5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he's always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain's record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage. They'll receive a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska. She reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation. He actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

11. IRAQ: Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was "dead wrong on Iraq" because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where John McCain has been proven right.

12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn't see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn't meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be "part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20."

14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden was wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
__________________

Posted by: Biden's Short Memory | October 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Umm experience....

Sorry I didn't get back to you in a timely manner. Ok so, decisions. Iraq war is bad idea. Right on the Iraq war. That's a big one. McCain thought attacking a sovereign nation would be a walk in the park. Ok so next on your list is what? Uh, I don't know that answer but I'm sure you have some email you received you can mention that's already been debunked.

I think the voting present thing is kinda like the "Most liberal senator in the US". It is used in every election about every candidate. Soem would say voting "present" is a savy political move kinda like foisting a intellectually overmatched right wing zealot to the ticket to appease the base.

Also, sorry to say, your lie about him not being a professor has been debunked countless times by the University of Chicago Law School where he indeed was a professor in the law school. He was a lecturer from 92-96 and a senior lecturer from 96-2004. You may want to contact the University yourself for clarification. You get no extra credit for lying with "ALL CAPS" on.

Your last sentence about, "I know you are but what am I", is what I'd expect from someone who blindly follows someone so intellectually challenged. Biden and every other person who voted for the war was lied to. "Oh, lied to huh?! Yeah, you mean like when someone misrepresents the facts and paints a picture that is opposite of the truth?" Remember the chain of events? "Mushroom cloud, WMD"? Who in their right mind would've voted against the war after scaring the crap out of everyone? Then the lies began being uncovered? Short term memory loss is a convenient way to overcome the truth. If that's all you've got let me know.

Posted by: Be reasonable | October 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

IM TELLING U . WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WRONG ISSUE-THE REAL THING-OBAMA IS THE MUSLIM COMMUNIST WITH A COMMUNIST AGENDA FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY.HE BROKE THE LAW WHEN HE BOUGHT THAT HOUSE IN CHICAGO TOGETHER WITH CRIMINAL REZKO

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

You people actually THINK that your vote still counts? Look at the polls for the last 4 races... dead split. You know why? Because we are too busy fighting over who has experience, education, correct diction, or has voted "Present" to notice them (and I mean ALL OF THEM) burying our country. Wake up and smell what is being shoveled...
A country divided is EXACTLY what they want. I hope you guys like you're new AMERICA when we stand in line for bread and medical treatment.

Posted by: Drink More Kool Aid | October 3, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

like most news media...always against ..never down the middle on reporting...like we need more political junk to read..
glad there is still the comics section in the paper..

Posted by: rgw | October 3, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

GMS, Kiss my grits!!!

Posted by: Craig | October 3, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I suggest that we all stop our newspaper sunscriptions as it is clear that "reporters" like M.A. Akers think it's their jobs to conduct a version of the gong show and somehow call it journalism.

Posted by: Frank | October 3, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

To 'Columbia Obamabot wannabe for Mccain', Obama, according to Newsweek has written 8 significant pieces of legislation, including one with Luger to go after loose nukes in the former USSR. McCain has written 12, yes, only 12, in 27 years in the senate. It seems the maverick is too busy being a maverick and getting little done.
And about Obama writing 2 books, that is 2 more than Palin has read.

Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah Palin Saved Herself from Herself"

What exactly does that mean? I agree with the many before me who has said that it is something very wrong with saying that a person won a debate because she didn't make any major mistakes. Is that the criteria for being the President of the United States of America these days? If so, please tell me where I can apply for the job.

I know for sure that if someone coached me for a week on what to say and I could chose to answer whatever questions I wanted and refuse to answer when I wanted to without anyone calling me on it, that I would be wonderful at not making any major errors too and thus "win" the debate.

It is ridiculous that people would think that the American public saw the "real" Sarah Palin last night and that her poor showing in the interview with Katie Couric was somehow just a glitch. The last time I checked real is when you are not coached and not prepared in advance with contrived answers. The fact is that you won't see Sarah Palin doing anymore interviews in the next month or so because the Repubs won't take any chances because they no that the real Sarah Palin was the one that American's saw in the Katie Couric interview. The only way she will do another interview like that will be with a GOP "friendly" handpicked interviewer.

I also wanted to point out some obvious double standards when it come to the McCain/Palin way of thinking.

1. Too Little Experience - A bad thing when it comes to Obama - Great when it comes to Palin

2. Too Much Political Experience - A bad thing when it comes to Joe Biden. A great thing when it comes to John McCain - he's a maverick after all

3. Age - A bad thing when it comes to Joe Biden (something to poke fun at). A good thing when it comes to McCain (or did Palin just open mouth and insert foot with that one - forgetting that her running mate is 15 years older than Biden. Then again McCain's age maybe a good thing for Palin because it gets her that much closer to the oval office by default.

4. Elitist - A bad thing when it comes to Obama (with his fancy degree one car and one house) A good thing when it comes to McCain with his filthy rich wife, 8 houses and fleet of cars.

5. Charisma - Horrible when it comes to Obama. Best thing since sliced bread when it comes to Governor Palin.

6. Ability to Attract a Big Crowd - Empty and superfcial when it comes to that celebrity wannabe Obama. Absolutely great and a needed pump in the arm for the GOP ticket

PLEASE PEOPLE THINK FOR YOURSELVES. DON'T LISTEN TO THE MEDIA, DON'T TRUST POLLS, DON'T LISTEN PROPOGANDA FROM ANY CANDIDATE OR PARTY. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. LISTEN TO WHAT THE CANDIDATES ARE ACTUALLY SAYING AND DOING. RESEARCH THEIR PRIOR VOTING RECORDS AND WHERE THEY STOOD ON ISSUES THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU.
THEN - VOTE

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Bamma has his degree in law. If he had gotten an MBA we would have a businessman. Instead we have a schiester.

Posted by: AwakeAmerican | October 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

What scares the detractors is that Palin has never given any serious thought to complex national or international issues until 5 weeks ago.

What kind of voter wishes for an un-informed candidate to win? Maybe you should vote for me, at least I can name the several newspapers I've been reading for years.

Posted by: MC | October 3, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I like how newspaper writers get to change their words (shear went to sheer) without acknowledging a mistake, or even flagging it as a "corrected" article. Amazing. Why do they think they can get away with this while whipping every mis-spoken word that Biden or Palin have ever uttered?

Posted by: John C | October 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I make it an imperative point to keep an open mind durning these debates because I'm not really sold on either side.

When listening to the moderator address questions to either Biden or Palin I paid close attention to whether they answered the questions. I think the statement above said what I thought, "For most questions, instead of answering, she looked at the camera and gave a sometimes disconnected set of prepared remarks.." Not only that but she never convinced me that she could be effective in the role of VP. I thought her arguements were weak and felt she was still too "green" for that level of responsibility.

Palin didn't have much to offer by way of foreign policy either whereas Biden was able to give specifics like another statement above, "Biden offered knowledge, clarity while Palin often ducked questions..."

Again, I try to keep an open mind and listen to the ANSWERS to the QUESTIONS. When all is said and done I will be writing in the name of Ron Paul. I would rather vote with my mind than vote for the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: David | October 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

That was a debate? I thought Governor Palin was trying to sell me Amway products.

Posted by: texasmarshal | October 3, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

We all have accents - we just can't hear our own. We all have idioms and colloquialisms we favor. Let's focus on what was said instead of how Tina Fey can parody Palin.

The debate was light on facts on both sides.

Posted by: J | October 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"PLEASE PEOPLE THINK FOR YOURSELVES. DON'T LISTEN TO THE MEDIA, DON'T TRUST POLLS, DON'T LISTEN PROPAGANDA FROM ANY CANDIDATE OR PARTY. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH. LISTEN TO WHAT THE CANDIDATES ARE ACTUALLY SAYING AND DOING. RESEARCH THEIR PRIOR VOTING RECORDS AND WHERE THEY STOOD ON ISSUES THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT TO YOU.
THEN - VOTE."

The caps were a little much, but I second that.

Posted by: Quandary. | October 3, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I do NOT understand the appeal of "folksy" in the second highest executive position in the land. It's astonishing to me. I thought I was going to throw up in my mouth when she winked at me. Winks are creepy and creepy people wink. I can understand how people want to identify with their leaders and feel a kinship with them but people, honestly, how can anyone argue that she is in the same league as Joe Biden? The guy is a walking, talking foreign policy fact book with astonishing comprehension of the challenges facing our nation. I won't bad mouth Palin herself but people, please! Why do we so easily settle with mediocrity when we have such an obvious expert in Biden?? It makes me so sad that there is a real possibility this woman may actually be in the VP's office come January rather than Biden. I will lose faith in the judgement of this country if that's allowed to happen. How can nearly half of this country be so sheltered and absorbed to buy into this? Besides the charm (if you can call it that) Palin's just an empty suit. If anyone can argue this point factually and intelligently I'll listen. Please, tell me why she's a better choice than Joe Biden. Convince me.

Posted by: ewoh24 | October 3, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

This wasn't a debate it was a forum for both parties to recite talking points. The forum didn't allow either to answer questions that didn't have a canned response. I know lots of soccer moms and I'm not so sure I want a soccer mom as VP.

Posted by: Sheryl | October 3, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

ALSO OBAMA IS THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.BIDEN LIED 14 TIMES DURING THE LAST DEBATE.OBAMA LIED COUNTLESS TIMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Palin sure reminded me of a cheerleader running for high school senior president. "I will get us a soda machine in the lunch room" and "I will make every Friday wacky shirt day". There was simply nothing (Vice)presidential about her constant antics, and quite simply they were an embarrassment to America...Especially since there are GOP nut jobs actually buying into her act.

Posted by: Palin-haha | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

When she winked,I felt like I had been slimed....

Posted by: Lenny | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama's not a muslim. In fact, he went to the same so-called, "Christian" church for 20 (that's TWENTY) years under a pastor who preaches that we should say "God Damn America" and that the U.S. itself caused 911. Yeah, that's patriotism for ya! For all you Christian bashers out there, the rhetoric of Obama's pastor is not shared by most Christians in the United States. So, don't bother with the anti-Christian, hateful post you delight in making.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

You know it's funny how you read stories on the web that are totally leftist in every way, they'll deny it, and then all you see is Obama ads around the story. Talk about an agenda. Disgusting

Posted by: anon | October 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

quandry

i did not post anything about rezko - i am not sure what you are referring to.

i write this post and i realize i am tired. i suspect i could send the majority of the people i am arguing with on this post and the would be better than what we've had.

palin is fresh air for me. i know she not perfect in any way. but i hear her saying things that i have never heard from any political arena. i think she will sell some more jets and fire some more cooks when she gets to washington. we have to find somebody that will not priortize their net worth while they in washington. i'll take what she lacks if she will just start with some common sense and honest. she is making a believer out of me on these simple issues. she has the resources to assist her in dealing with foreign affairs.

Posted by: lynn | October 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

A quick roll call of some former VP candidates... Shriver, Ford, Mondale, Bush 41, Quayle, Gore, Edwards and Cheney. Were we this petrified with uncertainty from way back then until now? We've all watched West Wing and know that the Executive Branch operates with a large staff of advisors that take their time and think thru all aspects of all decisions. Who will be the senior staff members of our new administration come January? No one knows.If Ms. Palin had walked out last night sounding like Margaret Thatcher, we would all be screaming at how phony she was. We would be wise to keep reminding ourselves that she will be part of a team of people that will need to get real busy, real fast. If we send her back to Alaska, we will never know how effective she could have been in helping to lead this country forward. This will be a close election and the choices are clear. On Nov. 5, we will wake up with a new team of leaders but still be divided and dealing with a totally incompetant Congress, which is a comment for another article.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

During last night's debate, Gov. Palin once again demonstrated that has no class or sophistication, no depth, no significant knowledge on ANY major issues. Go ahead, call me an "elitist", but I refuse to celebrate the ignorance and self-righteousness of this woman. Those who think she's qualified and "down-to-earth" must think they are watching a really bad Reality TV show called "Look, I can be a President and so can you!" Wake up, people. This is Real Life!

Posted by: The truth is... | October 3, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Both gave what their respective bases what they mostly wanted. The truth of the matter is that debates do not matter for the most part, rather than what is nsaid show me what you have actually achieved. The real show however is McCain/Obama - the sad thing is neither is Presidential material. It's more a question of how hard you have to hold your nose when you complete your ballot. To McCains credit at least he doesn't just vote present and stay a phone call away from the hard problem's.

Posted by: Murray | October 3, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Saying that Palin did a good job on the debate is the same as rewarding your child that always gets a F in school because he got a C. "got cha"?

Posted by: B. | October 3, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

As a democrat, I'm leaning towards the other side after watching the last night's debate.

WHY?
I believe that Ms. Sarah Palin CAN and WILL help Mr. MacCain CLEAN UP Washington as she DID in her state. In order to get ANYTHING DONE in washington we MUST clean up the place FIRST, period!! I do LOVE/RESPECT people who uses common sense and LITTLE bit of politics, like her.

Posted by: Diehard Democrat | October 3, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

>>"Once again, Sarah Palin has proven she is not the empty-headed ditz that the WP and other liberal rags try to make her out to be. She did a fine job against a seasoned opponent. Despite the negative spin, she is a capable, executive officer with more experience than Obama."
-------------------------------------------

Once again, you've proven you're an idiot.

Posted by: IIell | October 3, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I was and still am undecided. I like McCain, but IMHO Palin was too folksy. At one time I thought I might barf if I heard "maverick" come out of her mouth one more time. And I just can't grasp how things might play out if something ever happened to McCain and she became president. I normally wouldn't let that bother me, but his age and prior bouts with cancer scare the heck out of me.

Hmmmm

Posted by: Undecided | October 3, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Lynn, I apologize, my comment about Rezko was actually directed at someone else. I'm glad that you find Palin so energizing, because Americans need to be more excited about the political process. Just remember, you're not voting for Palin or Biden. You're voting for McCain or Obama. Their policies and histories are the ones that are really going to matter in the long run.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I thought both candidates did better than I would have expected of either of them. But, let's face it. The U.S. President/V.P. is a figurehead... a Master of Ceremonies... a front man for the guys who have the bucks and nuclear subs and defense contracts. Don't take all this theater too seriously. Maybe we had all better look much higher for our help than Pennsylvania ave. Entertaining, though.

Posted by: Gandalf | October 3, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"ALSO OBAMA IS THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.BIDEN LIED 14 TIMES DURING THE LAST DEBATE.OBAMA LIED COUNTLESS TIMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN"

Yes, using all caps makes it more believable...

MCCAIN LIED 2053 TIMES DURING THE LAST DEBATE. PALIN DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL, SO COULDN'T HAVE POSSIBLY LIED.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Grace:
"She played well to her audience - the fundamentalist nut jobs and those with IQs below 100. Whether of not that crowd will swing the election remains to be seen."

Its hard to imagine, but YOU fall in this catagory too...

Posted by: Drink More Kool Aid | October 3, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama's not a muslim. In fact, he went to the same so-called, "Christian" church for 20 (that's TWENTY) years under a pastor who preaches that we should say "God Damn America" and that the U.S. itself caused 911. Yeah, that's patriotism for ya! For all you Christian bashers out there, the rhetoric of Obama's pastor is not shared by most Christians in the United States. So, don't bother with the anti-Christian, hateful post you delight in making.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:02 PM

----------------------------------------
I almost tend to agree with u.But Obama has very deep muslim roots so Id still state that he is the muslim.Id say with a communist agenda for this country

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

A woman who tries to "flirt" her way through life. What's new? I see women like this all the time. She's new a refreshing? What world do you live on people? I want someone who is bright and intelligent running this great country. John McCain and Sarah Palin are not what our country needs right now.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse


... we all do.

Posted by: Drink More Kool Aid | October 3, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

"... let's face it. The U.S. President/V.P. is a figurehead... a Master of Ceremonies... a front man for the guys who have the bucks and nuclear subs and defense contracts."

Not if Palin & Cheney had their way.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Although her over-done and not so genuine charm is entertaining at times and she is likeable to some...... in the end, most will see beyond the nonsense. The Sarah Palin hype will blow over. Not impressed at all with her or McCain. It's like a circus or a weird movie watching this campaign.

Independent for Obama/Biden

Posted by: jess | October 3, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Palin's debate script:
1. Talk about my track record in Ak
2. Follow up with "John McCain is a maveick"
3. Start at #1

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

u liberals going to lose this.trust me .i can sense ur fear

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Will you die hard liberals at least admit that the economy started crumbling after your people got into office?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

To everyone who is hating Palin. So so sorry you don't like anyone who is not a freak, hippie, liberal, America hating, smoking, terrorist supporting, ambulance chaser or twofaced lying half breed. You are obviously so happy to have someone else to transfer your idiocy toward other than Bush. Try not to get your knickers all twisted now y'all.

Posted by: Democrat for McCain | October 3, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm a registared republican woman in my 50's and I’m officially off the fence after listening to that folksy, “wink”, “wink”, Joe six pack, soccer mom last night. She is the type of woman that drives me crazy....I’m too serious minded to deal with someone like her. Would have loved to have seen Hilary debate and wipe the floor with her. Joe Biden was a perfect gentleman. McCain has lost my vote for good. I made a donation to the Obama campaign today.

Posted by: VJA | October 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Although Obama's over-done and not so genuine charm is entertaining at times and he is likeable to some...... in the end, most will see beyond the nonsense. The Hussein Obama hype will blow over. Not impressed at all with him or Biden. It's like a circus or a weird movie watching this campaign.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Will you die hard liberals at least admit that the economy started crumbling after your people got into office?"

Nope. The roots of the current situation run much deeper than the current Congress. This stretches back as far as the Reagan administration.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"Twofaced lying half breed."

Democrat for McCain, thank you for totally undermining everything else you've posted by revealing your true colors.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Will you die hard liberals at least admit that the economy started crumbling after your people got into office?"

Will you die hard conservatives at least admit that the economy started crumbling while Bush was in the White House, threatening to veto, and Republicans in the Congress were threatening to block everything the Democrats tried to do?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Will you die-hard ideologists stop calling each other names and do some research?

"On January 20, 1981, a full generation ago, President Ronald Reagan said in his first inaugural address, "Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem."

Reagan was both right and wrong.

The problem the U.S. was facing then was the collapse of the nation’s manufacturing base through a recession that happened when the Federal Reserve raised interest rates to over the twenty percent level. It did so almost a decade after President Richard Nixon removed the gold peg for the dollar, leading to the inflation of the 1970s when our currency flooded world markets through the oil trade.

Reagan’s statement that "government is the problem" was correct to the extent that failed financial policies and the out-of-control actions of a Federal Reserve beholden to private financial interests combined in the worse economic downturn since the Great Depression to wreck the world’s greatest industrial powerhouse.

But he was wrong in thinking that the solution was deregulation of the economy, particularly deregulation of financial and investment institutions which took place during his two terms. The result was enormous growth in the power and influence of Wall Street and the big banks over the rest of the economy. The era of leveraged mergers, acquisitions, and buyouts was the predecessor of the disaster of today with the unfolding fiasco of equity, hedge, and derivative funds in the process of collapse."

From this article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6750

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I knwo that it is hard to accept that the pretty woman did not completely fall on her face, break down in tears and storm out of the building in terror as was planned and hoped by all the loons. I also know that it is upsetting that she did make a connection to all the "normal" people that you guys like to snub noses at. Furthermore, it is probably even more upsetting to know that once again, the country will have a Republican in the White House. But hey, look at it this way... all the lefties will get to enjoy their favorite pastime for another 4 years...whining for what you want and being downright unpleasant and nasty when you don't get it.

Posted by: Anon formerly known as Drink More Kool Aid | October 3, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"To everyone who is hating Palin. So so sorry you don't like anyone who is not a freak, hippie, liberal, America hating, smoking, terrorist supporting, ambulance chaser or twofaced lying half breed. You are obviously so happy to have someone else to transfer your idiocy toward other than Bush. Try not to get your knickers all twisted now y'all."

We've aparently run out of discussion points and have resorted to labeling and name-calling. I guess one good thing to say about Palin -- at least when she didn't have anything intelligent to say, she at least kept it civil.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I was an undecided voter. All those online tests say my views are evenly split between McCain and Obama. I am not a member of any party.

I rather like McCain. I still do. Even after these first two debates. Palin redeemed herself in terms of securing her own future as a politician, but not for the position of Vice President.

However, this election isn't a vote between McCain and Obama. Odds are high that McCain may not survive his first year as President. Therefore, I must decide between Palin or Obama. THAT particular choice a no-brainer. Palin simply isn't ready.

Posted by: Alex M | October 3, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

the economy started crumbling after liberals took congress.Bunch of scumbags that destroyed this great country.dont blame anybody else.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Alex M, you actually make a valid point.

As for this:

"the economy started crumbling after liberals took congress.Bunch of scumbags that destroyed this great country.dont blame anybody else."

I'm sorry. I respect your right to disagree, but if you look into that you'll see that you've been misinformed.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I was an undecided voter. All those online tests say my views are evenly split between McCain and Obama. I am not a member of any party.

I rather like McCain. I still do. Even after these first two debates. Palin redeemed herself in terms of securing her own future as a politician.

However, this election isn't a vote between McCain and Obama. Odds are high that McCain may not survive his first year as President. Therefore, I must decide between Palin or Obama. THAT particular choice a no-brainer. Obama simply isn't ready.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I will never NEVER vote for someone who will not stand up against those who kill the unborn. Find me a democrat who opposes abortion and I will vote for him or her. Until then, my vote will always be pro-life and I can bet that that is what many of George W's votes were and what McCain's will be as well. I can not vote for someone who condones murder by refusing to protect the unborn.

Posted by: Leslie | October 3, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"I knwo that it is hard to accept that the pretty woman did not completely fall on her face, break down in tears and storm out of the building in terror as was planned and hoped by all the loons. I also know that it is upsetting that she did make a connection to all the "normal" people that you guys like to snub noses at. Furthermore, it is probably even more upsetting to know that once again, the country will have a Republican in the White House. But hey, look at it this way... all the lefties will get to enjoy their favorite pastime for another 4 years...whining for what you want and being downright unpleasant and nasty when you don't get it."

And I guess someone's flipped over to the land of make-believe, or is one of those who ignores poll numbers. Ignoring poll numbers did a lot for republicans in the last Congressional election. Hoping they continue that strategy in the coming month.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Leslie, if you don't mind my asking, what are your thoughts on war and the death-penalty?

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

What were yall watching? I saw the debate and I thought she answered all of the questions. Some of them we not as long-winded as others, and that’s fine. So questions don’t need to be. Both candidates did well. Neither LOST any supporters. For you want to be left wingers, what the hell? You are supposed to be the party that is for equal opportunity for all. You are supposed to be the party that thinks everyone is equal. Yet you bash on Palin like a bunch of chauvinistic pigs LOL. You sound like a bunch of hicks, coming from a Texan that’s a bad thing LOL.

What would be worse? Having an inexperienced President or and inexperienced Vice President?

Don’t forget that Obama likes terrorists (Bill Ayres) and hates America (Rev. Wright) and looks down on all you TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE!

You over look the one FUNDAMENTAL difference between the two tickets.

YOU WILL NEVER HEAR MC CAIN OR PALIN TALK BAD ABOUT AMERICA OR IT PEOPLE!

But you can’t say that for Obama…..

Posted by: Tex | October 3, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Biden was able to shore up the hard goods while Palin stuck to fluff, smiles, winks and "you betcha's". She was nauseatingly superficial. Biden was a riveting wealth of knowledge from foreign policy to domestic issues, while Palin stretched to make herself sound smart to "the average person in America". Luckily for her she didn't make the faux pas of mistaking hamas with Ahmadinejad like she did on Katie Couric.

Palin needs to take her fresh political wannabe maverick face and go back to Alaska to govern her state like a good girl. Stay out of presidential area! Experts need only apply!!

Posted by: anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin reminds me of one of the government officials from the movie "Idiocracy" who got the job as vice-president because he won a contest on a candy bar wrapper. If she gets elected, Idiocracy is just what it will be.

Posted by: Palin-haha | October 3, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

You see, if Ifill asked, "What executive experience do you have?" Biden would have nothing to say. Palin would have filled her answer time with a panoply of executive experiences. That, in turn would have put to rest the confusion about why she would be a good VP, but, of course, it was never asked.

Posted by: Landrum | October 3, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Tex... are you retarded?

Posted by: anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"And I guess someone's flipped over to the land of make-believe, or is one of those who ignores poll numbers. Ignoring poll numbers did a lot for republicans in the last Congressional election. Hoping they continue that strategy in the coming month."

M-I-C-K-E-Y
M-O-U-S-E
Disney exists...

Posted by: Anon formerly known as Drink More Kool Aid | October 3, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Palin for VP of the Church Ladies League! You betcha!

What has this nation come to when Palin can claim victory because she didn't look like a complete idiot?

For God's sake, people, she is campaigning for the vice-president of the United States of America, not homecoming queen.

She makes Dan Quayle look smart and informed.


BTW, was anybody else reminded of Frances McDormand's character in Fargo, Police Chief Marge Gunderson?

I wasn't sure if I was watching a VP debate or a Coen brothers film. It was that surreal.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Tex, I really don't think opinions would be any different if she had given the same performance as a man.

Wow, that sentence just doesn't look right.

For real though, I haven't heard Obama speak of America or its people with anything other than pride and praise. I'd be interested to see some examples if you can cite any.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for Biden's Short Memory, I don't have to bother.
Be Reasonable, might want to try (AGAIN) finding facts.
My older brother went to U of C and actually had Obama for a class. Which is how I can say with certainty, he never taught. Because 99% of the time when my brother got there, class was cancelled.
He was NEVER tenured, so an assistance professor at best, but not a professor for real.

For the record, you can lie and spin everything I type. It doesn't make me wrong. I have facts to prove I am right. All you have is the Obamabot media and Obamadrones on the boards to back you up.

You know what? It doesn't matter anyway. America does not like elitists, never have and never will. So the Barackopolis isn't working.

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Abortion will never become illegal in America. Also, if your against abortion, campaign how you feel/ Democrate believe it is the individual right and here is the thing. If I beleive we came from Mars and fought for Mars day, would you oppose my party for believeing in it not.

Posted by: red what the heck | October 3, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

To Palin-haha:

Well said. The movie IDIOCRACY is exactly what comes to mind when I hear this woman talk. I remember people making fun of Luke Wilson's character for speaking "all smart and f*ggotty"! Average Americans keep getting dumber and dumber while the rest of the world progresses.

Posted by: The thruth is... | October 3, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of the claims that Palin is a
"breath of fresh air". Everything I've hear from her has been more like a pipeline of gas if you ask me.

Posted by: Jean | October 3, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

sorry, read "heard" for "hear"

Posted by: Jean | October 3, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I know the entire liberal-biased media (every single newspaper in the country and every channel except Fox) thinks she's unqualified to be Vice President with only having been mayor of a town of 5,000 and a governor of only 670,000, but she wants to expand the powers of the Vice President to make herself the most powerful person on earth.

Excellent! She's power hungry and McCain said he aspires to be a dictator when he was speaking to the Des Moines Register. This is exactly what America wants, and it's written in the Constitution. Palin said so. She's got PTA experience!

Posted by: joe6pack | October 3, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Democrat politicians are to BLAME for the mortgage mess. Why? because they pushed banks to loosen underwriting standards so more minorities and poor unqualified people could get loans. Look what happened - the Great Clinton economy was based on the housing bubble with bogus loans to people with no equity in the house they were buying and artificially low interest rates. Now we who pay taxes will have to pay. I say PROSECUTE the wrongdoers. None of this noone is to blame BS. Screwed over 2008!

Posted by: dan | October 3, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that politics is the only place where being "elite" is considered a bad thing. When you have a serious mission you need to accomplish overseas, don't you send in an elite special forces team?

I'm a genuine, GED-wielding high-school dropout, and frankly, I believe that the person leading this country should be as intelligent and well-versed as possible.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous

No, I just ask the questions that the Democrats don’t want and hope that no one asks!
I Mc Cain or Palin had friends that were KKK members they would never even have made the tickets. Yet you have a man that admits of being friends with people that are anti American, and anti white. But hey he’s a smooth talker and promises change!

Posted by: Tex | October 3, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Tex wrote: What would be worse? Having an inexperienced President or and inexperienced Vice President?

Don’t forget that Obama likes terrorists (Bill Ayres) and hates America (Rev. Wright) and looks down on all you TYPICAL WHITE PEOPLE!

You over look the one FUNDAMENTAL difference between the two tickets.

YOU WILL NEVER HEAR MC CAIN OR PALIN TALK BAD ABOUT AMERICA OR IT PEOPLE!

But you can’t say that for Obama…..


Me: Tex, this is really sad. Have you attempted to think through your positions? It reads like you have simply regurgitated a Limbaugh vomit or something.

It has been nearly 150 years since the Emancipation Proclamation. Time to get over your disingenuous racism.

Posted by: David | October 3, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Palin..."NUCULAR"

Posted by: nickue | October 3, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Dan, you're misinformed. The roots of the current crisis run as deep as the Reagan administration.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I think people who are very fat should pay more taxes and I think the Republican Party should adopt that policy.

Posted by: McMOOSE | October 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Palin has all the political skills of a trained parrot. If you watched her and saw otherwise, I want to know where you buy your glasses.

Posted by: Trysha | October 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"What has this nation come to when Palin can claim victory because she didn't look like a complete idiot?"

What has this country come to when we want to elect a man president that has a two year resume and "hopes" the people will not notice that he wants to "Change" it into a third world country...

If thats the case, I should own Disney because I been three times and rode all of the rides

Posted by: Anon formerly known as Drink More Kool Aid | October 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I thought Palin's "the Palin-McCain ticket" blunder was a slip of the tongue a few weeks ago, but after last night's blooper about the Constitutionally-defined office of the Vice-President, I think she showed her hand as a power-hungry controller who won't let a little thing like McCain or the US Constitution stand in her way.

Pretty scary from a candidate who probably still dots her "i"s with cute little pink hearts.

Posted by: Sharon | October 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"know the entire liberal-biased media (every single newspaper in the country and every channel except Fox) thinks she's unqualified to be Vice President with only having been mayor of a town of 5,000 and a governor of only 670,000, but she wants to expand the powers of the Vice President to make herself the most powerful person on earth."

YEAH!!! For the DARK SIDE!

Posted by: Anon formerly known as Drink More Kool Aid | October 3, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

MCCAIN

4 more years of


PA IN
^
L
Your darn rootin tootin

Never trust any one who says ya betcha, or calls soda "pop" these people from or who choose to live in Alaska are inbread for the most part. Or hiding from the law.

Posted by: heading 2 Canada | October 3, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I think the Republican Party should tax people who say O My God. I think God gets a little tired on all these false alarm shouts.

Posted by: McMoose | October 3, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Kool Aid, I honestly don't follow that logic.

Hey, here's a quick question for you. Do you make more or less than $250k a year?

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Dan, your premise would be funny if it weren't so categorically false. The loans to minorities that you speak of are only 3 to 4 percent of the total problem loans uncovered in this mess. The vast majority of sub-prime loans went to middle class white folks. And remember, Limbaugh is a vacuous windbag and should be used for entertainment purposes only not for espousing social truths. The fact is lasse faire capitalism and robber baron mentality is the reason for the economic mess we are in. Oh and deregulation of the markets just like in the late 20's and early 30's just before the Republican Great Depression.

Posted by: Be reasonable | October 3, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Be Reasonable, thank you for that.

Dan also seemed to feel that the borrowers and the government are the ones who should be punished, when the truth of the matter is that most of the real damage resulted from predatory lending practices.

Posted by: Quandary | October 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Quandry,
Ok, the Magical Mystery Obama Tour.
Do you like that better?
To clarify, America generally elects people that seem to reflect their values, home life, core believes, etc. Which is why I don't think Obama is getting elected. For a few reasons
1. those who do go to church on Sunday do not understand Obama's pastor. Nor would they themselves be part of a church that spewed hate against americans and Jewish people (Rev. Wrong is a violent anti-semite)
2. those who come from broken homes would never abandon a half brother or sister, as Obama has done to his younger brother.
3. Those who were/are against the Iraq war cannot understand why his running mate voted for it.

I could go on, but I think if you look at the facts they speak for themselves.
Pe

Posted by: Umm, Experience? | October 3, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Too much gravitas is being granted to this "journalist" and her editor. The statement "she won by shear virtue" has been changed after publication, and my postings erased. How can we trust the opinions of a sub-standard journalist and her editors? Spend less time being partisan and learn your craft. Misuse of homophones and ridiculous spoonerisms are a good indicator of the intellectual quality of your editorial posturing.

Posted by: Fred | October 3, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, Sandy -


It was just a performance by Palin, but I didn't think that we were looking for people who could perform - I was looking for someone who could actually answer a question - she disappointed me in not answering any of the questions put to her or elaborating on any issue.

And for the person who decided not to vote for the Obama/Biden ticket because he is for civil rights for same sex couples - you need to go back and watch the debate again - because Palin is also for civil rights for same sex couples. They both agreed that they did not support the changing of the definition of a marriage.

It is too bad that there are so many small minded people - I am not one to e-mail or voice my opinions but reading this today - I felt that I had to address some of the things that were being written. We shouldn't have to dumb down ourselves or our country to be able to say that a candidate did well in a debate.

Posted by: MIchelle | October 3, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

3:25 & 3:53 Please try to pay attention. The Republicans of the 110th Congress have used more filibusters than any other Congress to stop Democrats from accomplishing anything. Blaming the democratic congress at this point after controlling both houses for six years is irresponsible. That being said-on to the facts. I don't have the time to fact-check your statistics, but having spent quite a bit of time dealing with international business, I can tell you that your dollar vs euro statistic is WAY OFF. The dollar to euro conversion was about .78 vs. around .72 today. Not that you care, but the dollar was NEVER worth 8.8 euros! What does it matter-in your eyes, it's always someone else's fault.

Posted by: bartonizer | October 3, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's ability or inability to understand complex geopolitical situations is of vital importance to the American electorate. Trading soundbites for 90 minutes with Joe Biden or "deferential" edited interviews with selected "journalists" are two barometers of whatever intellectual gifts she may possess. Formal education is another gauge that allows us to see how quickly a person can assimilate and apply knowledge with respect to the rest of the herd. I'm sure there are good reasons why it took Sarah Palin six years and five colleges to get an undergraduate degree in communications. I am not denigrating her accomplishment, as it qualified her to be a sportscaster. I'd like to know what they are because she wants me to hire her to potentially be leader of the free world. This job requires more than a sunny disposition and the ability to parrot talking points memorized over a five-week period. An engaging and open personality, while important, is only a minor aspect of what is necessary in a president. More important for the task is a logical disciplined mind. That takes training. I'm not saying that you have to graduate from the US Naval Academy (even if it's fifth from the bottom of a class of 899) (McCain) or graduate cum laude from Harvard Law (Obama), but it helps. I would gladly invite Gov. Palin to my next BBQ and even let her swing on the tire swing, but this isn't a Disney movie and I could not pass another four years with a president that cannot even pronounce "nuclear" properly.

Posted by: Mishkin | October 3, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

After running morons like Gore and Kerry in an attempt to beat W the Dems shouldn't be talking. Remember, Kerry had already won in the media and it didn't ring true on election day.

Posted by: Tommy | October 3, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Ummm yeah, If your brother actually had him as a professor perhaps he would have told you that he was a senior lecturer and taught 3 courses per year.He would have also informed his ill-informed bretheren that Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure track. You said he wasn't a professor, he is/was a professor, not an assistant a professor. Next, facts are like kryptonite to a righty, you present some facts and they start stomping their feet and screaming the Media this and the Media that considering the media is owned mostly by big money folk, I'd say the media is a corporate media which usually benefits the right wing. Or they say Obama with college bills just paid off and one car an elitist. Do you even know what that word means? I don't need spin my friend, the truth has a liberal bias.

Posted by: Be reasonable | October 3, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

So who is to blame for our financial mess?

There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what wall Street or Washington did or didn't do.

As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role."

Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:
• The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.
• Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.
• Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.
• Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.
• The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.
• Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.
• Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.
• Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.
• The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.
• An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.
• Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.

You can keep up the banal remarks and tripe about each of the other party’s candidates but that information does not help in deciding who the best candidate for this time in our history is. It is nothing more than a waste of collective time.


The real issue in this campaign is who can, based on their track record of cooperation fix this mess?

If you plug your ears and just look at the congressional record you will see that Obama has supported his party 97% of the time when issues where considered critical to the nation - ie. economy, war, etc.

If you use the exact same criteria for McCain - he supported his party 67% of the time.

Whoever wins is going to absolutely have to work with both parties or gridlock will remain and the American people will start sounding like the French, the Bolsheviks and every other oppressed people before they revolted.

If for no other reason than he proven history of working across the aisle, McCain is the person to work us through this mess but only if democrats come along and drop their party before country mentality that they have had for the last 25 years.


Posted by: Historian with a 139 IQ | October 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

What I see is a person who considers herself above accountability and answers to no one. Isn't that like more of same? It was embarrassing to see her at the podium and her condenscending manner towards Biden and Ifill. Both of them had every opportunity to come down hard and I imagine they chose not to because it was so obvious.

She missed a number of opportunities to prove herself the reformer and maverick. She sounds like the kind of individual that would beat a dead horse just to get her point across.

She disappointed.

Posted by: BlueSkyMOM | October 3, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

It's NOT just about experience people. It IS about character too. Palin looks one "you betcha" away from driving a stilleto into your gut and winking at cha when she does it too by golly. She's an egomaniac. You can see it in her eyes. She looked like she wanted to chop Biden's head off a few times. Ok, I can see that but it's the smile that would be on her face when she did it that scares the crap out of me.

Posted by: ewoh24 | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Umm, Experience?: Remember than Obama has 2 years experience, in the senate that's all.

Lincoln had 2 years in the House. I don't find this argument valid.

Umm, Experience?: If you have a problem with Palin, then I would challenge you to not make arguments about her accent or her hair, and tell us what it is that you really don't like about her.

Palin, a woman, is anti-choice. MY body, MY choice? Not if Palin can change that! Raped by your father? Have it anyway, according to her. She is also against teaching anything OTHER than abstinence in school and if a pregnant teenager, one of MANY in this country, isn't proof of how poorly THAT works, I don't know what is.

Palin's view on climate change is frightening - I don't KNOW what caused it, but let's fix it!?? The truth is, she believes it's all some random act of her god, but she doesn't have the stones to say so, so she says "Gosh, golly, I don't know, but it doesn't matter, so long as we fix it!" How can we fix it if we do not know what caused it?

Palin has a history of venomous governing, hiring unqualified friends and acquaintances for government jobs and firing qualified people who don't toe her line. HER line, not THE line.

Palin believes being a neighbor of a foreign country counts as Foreign Policy knowledge. NORAD has made clear that, despite her wild claims, Palin exerts no power over "keeping an eye on Putin". So add LIAR to the list.

Palin can't be accused of having bad relationships with any foreign leaders because she's never really met any. Let's not pretend that recent dog-and-pony show counts, they shook hands and talked about family - not war, the repercussions of war, or any other socially relevant issue.

Palin, on the less-government ticket, would like MORE power as VP. Are you kidding me? If she gets that job, I'd like her to be given a box of (non-toxic) crayons and some paper and sent to her room, but pettiness aside - MORE POWER? Uh uh, no way.

I won't even use her lack of experience as an argument, because I don't think it's valid, as I said. I think her actual experience IS valid, though. I'll point out that running a teeny tiny town isn't exactly rocket science and she still bungled that, driving this small town into enormous new debt. As governor, she pleaded for the funds for that bridge to nowhere, realized the world (INCLUDING JOHN MCCAIN!) was mocking her for it and changed her mind - but she TOOK the money... and tells everyone this nonsense "I said thanks, but no thanks..." Please, she said "thank for the money, no thanks on the bridge". SO BIGGER LIAR.

Umm, Experience?: The truth, NONE OF YOU on this board can bear the thought of a women in the white house (as VP) than IS NOT A DEMOCRAT! Truth people not spin. Truth.

Truth? I'm a woman, I don't know that the contents of anyone's underwear is the issue. We want someone who knows what's going on in the world, who will restore this country to a respectable standing in that world, who will give us back our sons and daughters - alive - and stop spilling their blood in god's sandbox for oil. We want someone who gets that drilling the cr*p out of the planet doesn't actually solve the energy crisis, let alone the climate change crisis. We want someone who understands the constitution and will honor it by following it, not by trying to find ways around it; we want someone who will stop deregulation, create jobs, fight for equality, make the rich (including him/herself!) pay more taxes than the poor, protect Social Security, insure the children - the future of this world - and NOT WINK AT THE CAMERA during serious debate.

That is not, necessarily, the description of a man OR of a woman. It could be either, but it IS NOT Sarah Palin and it IS NOT John McCain.

Posted by: AnnaLovesBooks | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

My apologies, I meant to say bachelors degree not undergraduate degree in the preceding post.

Posted by: Mishkin | October 3, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Fred:

Surely you know that the Washington Post is extremely biased, as are the vast majority of media outlets. Yep, they all have their own political agendas be it for repuliblicans, like Fox, or this and just about every other newspaper/t.v. station/movie star.... for the democrats. Your posts will continue to be deleted. Hopefully, you'll have a chance to read this one before it to meets the fate of the delete button.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Mary Ann AKA the "Slueth," why not just admit your error and let it go. Instead, you follow in the foot steps of Bill Clinton and try to hide the truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

AwakeAmerican: I believe the correct spelling is "shyster". How do I know? I looked it up online and they offered Palin's resume as an example thereof.

Posted by: ewoh24 | October 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

FRAMING IS EVERYTHING

Being a "hockey mother" has about as much relevance to one's qualifications to be Vice-President as being a prisoner of war has to one's qualifications to be President.

Do other hockey mother's spend their spare time in helicopters shooting wolves, bears, and anything else that moves? Maybe Palin is not a typical hockey mother.

Palin could have claimed to be a Pentecostal mother but that might of spoiled her image as a religious person, a steward. Religious people don't go around killing God's creatures just for the fun of it. For that matter they are not supposed to support a person who advocates an invasion and occupation that kills innocent civilians.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The fact is that pundits who can't express themselves properly harm their own cause.

Posted by: Fred | October 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone say Sarah Palin performed well? She gave vacuous rehearsed answers. I felt she should have had pom poms in her hands. If after a week of rehearsing she performed so poorly, how can anyone say she recovered anything deserving respect? Republicans should be embarrassed and ashamed, but then again, after the last eight years, they must be numb to incompetence and stupidity.

Posted by: PeteGio | October 3, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If Palin loses the election, she'll go back to being the Governor of Alaska.

If Obama loses the election, he'll go back to VOTING PRESENT on every controversial piece of legislation that crosses his desk.

I don't know how America can presume to know the man, when most people from Illinois have no idea what he stands for.

FRANKLY, I'D RATHER HAVE A WOMAN WHO HAS BALLS THAN A MAN WHO DOESN'T.

Posted by: chicagopearl | October 3, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

AnnaLovesBooks:

Keep your legs together, Sweetie, and it won't be a problem.

Posted by: Anita | October 3, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This is for AnnaLovesBooks: Your post looks more like a book than a comment. You never learned the value of concise thoughts?

Posted by: Bobby | October 3, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Wake up America! our country is going to the dogs!!! economy in the tank! national debt rising everyday! how will joe six pack save us? by drinking 12 pack? common folks this woman is a joke! Please just think for a moment if Mcain dies in the office! how will this woman govern? by winking every minute? with all respects since last night I think she can do better in nudy bars!!

Posted by: Braggingright! | October 3, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Um hey anonymous, it's "hockey mom", especially to you.

Did I mention that she wants to expand the powers of the Vice President and that she has PTA experience to back that up with? Yep, I did. It's in the constitution, as Palin says. Look it up.

McCain wants to be a dictator (what he told the Des Moines Register in a press conference with them), just like our Founding Fathers designed and wished for America when trying to escape British kingship. Look it up!

Posted by: joe6pack | October 3, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it's funny how many like to backseat quarterback.

Pathetic.

Posted by: pootats | October 3, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding???? Biden lied no less than 20 times! He even lied for Hussein Obama on items he brought up against Obama when he was running against him! Joe is another "good ole boy" on a ticket that supposedly is voicing change. I'm sorry, Obama has been brainwashed by over 20 years with Rev. Wright and associates himself with anti-americans. Yes, this is about character and Obama and his past scare the ___ out of me! By the way, when my son was in Afganistan, he was not bombing villages and killing civilians like Obama says...oh yes, and even though Obama said he would not vote against supporting our troops by providing funds...he did vote against our fighting men and women. Sorry Joe and Hussein, I will continue to hold on to my religion and guns...it's a freedom given to me though our constitution...which obviously you don't understand!

Posted by: Tony | October 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Every time Palin responded to a question I would always loose track of what the debate question actually was at that moment. I think this negotiating to control a debate format is undemocratic and dangerous. It allows someone who is very inexperienced to memorize a bunch of catchy lines that they conceal on their podium. With no rebuttals how are we to know what this person's knowledge level and quick-thinking reaction would be in a crisis? Biden proved over and over again that he has great knowledge of world affairs and law. I would trust his judgment and wisdom any day over Palin. It just amazes me that anyone considered her performance brilliant. What are they validating this with? "Drill Baby Drill"? "Waving a White Flag"? "Six-Pack Joe"? I am just not sure that the electorate of America as a whole is intelligent enough to elect an intelligent President. McCain’s first huge decision as the GOP candidate to select a Vice President was a disaster. A President and a Vice President should have a high level of intelligence.

"When the well's dry, we know the worth of water." Ben Franklin

Posted by: Emily Meijer | October 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

AnnaLovesBooks (but apparently, only if they are written by and for socialists)

Where does one start with this mind numbing tripe?

Lincoln had 2 years in the House. I don't find this argument valid.

WRONG AGAIN
HE also had eight years in the house as well as running a very successful law practice. I have to admit, he didn't have experience as a "community organizer" but back then people were self reliant and didn't expect the world to be handed to them in exchange for a vote like democrats today.

Palin, a woman, is anti-choice. MY body, MY choice?

WRONG AGAIN -
It is not your body that his having its head fractured to have your brains (probably vacuous anyway) sucked out so you can be legally called dead.


She is also against teaching anything OTHER than abstinence in school and if a pregnant teenager, one of MANY in this country, isn't proof of how poorly THAT works, I don't know what is.

WRONG AGAIN -
For the last 40+ years sex education has been taught to EVERY kid in America. Yeah that's working GREAT. How many brains were sucked out of heads last years- millions. Nice job Planned "Parenthood".

Palin's view on climate change is frightening - I don't KNOW what caused it, but let's fix it!?? The truth is, she believes it's all some random act of her god, but she doesn't have the stones to say so, so she says "Gosh, golly, I don't know, but it doesn't matter, so long as we fix it!" How can we fix it if we do not know what caused it?

WRONG AGAIN
What she said last night is what she has said all along and what virtually every scientists agrees with. With out without man, the climate of earth has swung dratically between hot and cold periods for at least the last 2 BILLION YEARS.

Palin has a history of venomous governing, hiring unqualified friends and acquaintances for government jobs and firing qualified people who don't toe her line. HER line, not THE line.

WRONG AGAIN-
How do you explain the fact she has the HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING OD ANY GOVONOR?

Palin believes being a neighbor of a foreign country counts as Foreign Policy knowledge. NORAD has made clear that, despite her wild claims, Palin exerts no power over "keeping an eye on Putin". So add LIAR to the list.

WRONG AGAIN (and I guess I'm ready to add your name to the list of liars).
Please point to a single incident where she claimed to be, as you say, an "expert".

To continue with more of the same is a waste. You're the type that is tied to a liberal form of logic. You know the type that says Bush was after oil when in reality it was Clinton who signed the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 calling for the overthrow of Saddam and a democrat form of government to be installed. Was he in on the oil deal too?


Posted by: Anna's nightmare | October 3, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Watched the debate last night. Explain why the media must tell us what very sentence means or don't mean. That is why we the people are confused or discouraged by politics. MEDIA stop tell the people what to think. We can all draw our own conclusions and have our own opinions about what we show and heard. I wish the media would not tear down every thing someone say because then the candidates gets to really speak their own minds and the hearts as they are playing to the media. So the people do not really know any of the candidates just the media's spin. I liked both Sarah and Biden in different ways. Talk about BIG Corporation and BIG Power. Hilter used the media to confuse the Germany people about the truth too. Please everyone vote your heart and mind not that the Media's agenda.

Posted by: PATTY S | October 3, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at how Americans have "bought" Obama. He has the best marketing and sales people, and he lacks substance as much as Palin. Just keep trying to persuade yourself you support him for "real" reasons, and keep making up reasons... because honestly, his experience is pathetic for a president. You've been SOLD. Caveat emptor.

And another thing, why is it liberals claim to be for all people, except, of course, people who disagree with them.

Posted by: Leopard | October 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Democrates need to look at the following video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p1Wc2NFa3w

Now who is responsible for our current credit crisis?

Posted by: Tony | October 3, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The amount of hatred and bile in these comments makes me ashamed to be in the same country with the rest of you. I sincerely hope most of these posts are just a bunch of blog hacks instead of real americans or we have a lot more to worry about than Biden or Palin.

Palin did very well articulating conservative values in a folksy way (I guess most people dont remember that is what America is mostly comprised of). Biden I thought did a good job of presenting nuanced policy positions (far better than Obama has). Both of them deserve credit. Biden has been doing it for 35 years though and the other candidates have been at it for 2 years. Palin has been at it for 5 weeks. Does anyone remember how TERRIBLE the other candidates were when they started in debates before? Both Dems and Reps.

Give them both their credit, instead of trying to personally slime them just because you believe one way or another - that is not what our great country is about.

Posted by: Stephen | October 3, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know that any one can be a VP if he/she can wink!! wink all your way to white house with out knowledge.

Posted by: JOJO | October 3, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Anna, perhaps you should start reading those books!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Anita: Keep your legs together, Sweetie, and it won't be a problem.

Well, now, there's a stunning example of a witty rejoinder. This isn't about me. This is about rape victims, incest victims, abused children, young and stupid children, women whose lives are at risk if they carry a child. I'll never need an abortion, so we can safely move back to the real point - Their rights, not mine.

Bobby: You never learned the value of concise thoughts?

Not when the person I'm responding to clearly believes crying sexism will somehow overcome everything else wrong with this candidate. And not when CHALLENGED to enumerate those things. (Umm, Experience?: "I would challenge you to not make arguments about her accent or her hair, and tell us what it is that you really don't like about her.") I kept the list short, too! Sorry to annoy you, just scroll on by.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Can we please go back the time when we valued thoughtful intellectuals with values and vision. We just tried 8 years of the "I can have a beer with him" president and it was an absolute disaster.

Sure, Palin is a charismatic person that many can relate to, but seriously, she in way over her head here. The stakes are too high give her any real consideration for VP. We can't risk her being that close to the presidency.

Posted by: Have we learned anything yet? | October 3, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I live in the East where soft drinks are called "soda" but grew up in the West where they are known as "pop" and talking like Sarah Palin, darn right! It is nothing less than elitism and prejudice to think someone is not fit or intelligent because they choose to communicate in colloquialisms and directly to the masses rather than in the ordinary puffed up Washington blather. Maybe the Nation's Capitol could use a good shaking up and dose of common horse sense after all. If even one person in the halls of Congress or in the White House could have effectively communicated with the rest of the country a week ago we would have better understood the reasoning behind the Bailout Bill. It certainly doesn't help Obama that so many of his supporters look down their noses at ordinary Americans who question his short length of governing experience, whether he has any common sense and his virtually non existent record of proactive accomplishments.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin didn't crash and burn because she only had to stick to the party message. She wasn't pressed to answer the questions or explain her remarks. She even told the American public, with a wink, she may not answer anything she was asked. I suppose that just goes to show evasivness is the new "straigh forwardness."

I really don't understand why more people are not OUTRAGED.

Posted by: Outraged | October 3, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Umm! I don't know who William Jennings Bryant is! Is he any relation to William Jennings Bryan the great statesman from Nebraska. Sometimes maybe we are not as smart as we think we are, wouldn't ya say chap!

Posted by: From the Old World | October 3, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: "I live in the East where soft drinks are called "soda" but grew up in the West where they are known as "pop" and talking like Sarah Palin, darn right!"

We here in the south simplify that and just call everything Coke.

Palin would bring that kind of change to Washington, and expand her powers as Vice President. McCain will be the Dictator and there will be no more nucular threats.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: "I live in the East where soft drinks are called "soda" but grew up in the West where they are known as "pop" and talking like Sarah Palin, darn right!"

We here in the south simplify that and just call everything Coke.

Palin would bring that kind of change to Washington, and expand her powers as Vice President. McCain will be the Dictator and there will be no more nucular threats.

Posted by: joe6pack | October 3, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous: "I live in the East where soft drinks are called "soda" but grew up in the West where they are known as "pop" and talking like Sarah Palin, darn right!"

We here in the south simplify that and just call everything Coke.

Palin would bring that kind of change to Washington, and expand her powers as Vice President. McCain will be the Dictator and there will be no more nucular threats.

Posted by: joe6pack | October 3, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure which is the worst, the real Sarah Palin or the one on Katie Couric - or could they both be the same???? This woman is so far removed from the intellectural, smart, poised leader we need that it is just frightening as to how she ever even got here, standing up in a debate for VP. What was McCain thinking, what are those people thinking who are in Palin's corner. I have a grandson in college who is a redneck, cute as a button and clever - but I would not want him in the House talking to me about such serious matters. She takes our country to a whole new level - and it is not a good one. I felt the moderator, Gwen Ifill, did a superior job. I felt Biden reinforced all those who believe in him, and he introduced himself well to those who do not. I think a lot of undecided people made up their minds for Biden last night. Important debate.

Posted by: Louise | October 3, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Although Obama might not have the executive experience that everyone claims is so necessary to be president, he does seem to have the intelligence to surround himself with the people that no there stuff.

I did not agree with Biden as a VP choice, but after the debate, I had a greater respect for Obama's skill at selecting a VP that is very strong where he is perceived to be weak. I am now a strong supporter of Obama/Biden.

I applaud Obama for his leadership abilities and look forward to seeing who he chooses for his cabinet when elected.

Posted by: sashableu | October 3, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Did you see how's Michelle O. talking politics and principles on primetime TV ?

I'm an Obama voter but... I really have a problem when she gets that loud on primetime TV.

Posted by: cheryl | October 3, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

What bothered me about Palin's performance is, if she's capable of talking a lot about nothing, does this mean if/when something goes wrong, she'll fend us off with glittery excuses, folksy chat and empty lines? What will she do if we want an answer?

"Don't worry, hon. Trust me, I'm a mom. I know you're scared, but don't worry, I know what I'm doing. Just keep on drinkin' them beers and leave it all to us! *wink*"

To live with that kind of performance from every press conference with her next four years? No thank you.

Posted by: Cat | October 3, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin did a amazing job. Plain and simple. . .

Posted by: Mei-Ling | October 3, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

SHE NUKED'EM !

Posted by: Arne Saknussemn | October 3, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh what a bunch of whiney, venom-spewing liberals that feel so threatened by Sarah Palin that all they know how to do is gripe and post negatives of how much she is this and how much she is that even when she clearly isn't. It's classic defense mechanism when you're "scared shtless" that you're going to lose. Which you are. :) I love it.


McCain/Palin 08

Posted by: Beth | October 3, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I would vote this way:

Biden - President
Sara - VP
McCain & Michelle Obama - Vice-VP

Posted by: C.H. | October 3, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

No. McCain-Michelle won't work.

Posted by: A.S. | October 3, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with sashableu except for:

"Although Obama might not have the executive experience that everyone claims is so necessary to be president, he does seem to have the intelligence to surround himself with the people that no there stuff. "

This is crazy. we don't vote him for his staff. Anyone could be surrounded with people that can actually do something.

Posted by: Aaron Mowe | October 3, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Palin's Freudian slip was Jon leaving and not leading. I don't think she knows what an achilles heel is.

Posted by: kim | October 3, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I AM CAUCASION/REPUBLICAN AND I BOW DOWN AND KISS THE FEET OF MR. OBAMA ! I LOVE MY COUNTRY, I HAVE SERVED IT FAITHFULLY. THESE ARE SERIOUS TIMES WE LIVE IN AND FOR THOSE OF US HATING MR. OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS COLORED I KNOW I CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT. A WOMAN NOT KNOWING HER ROLE AS A VICE PRESIDENT AND MAY BE GOD FORBID A PRESIDENT OF THIS GREAT NATION AND THE BLOOD SHED FOR OUR FREEDOM AND TO VOTE FOR HER MAKES ME ASHAMED OF MY DIGNITY AS APROUD WHITE AMERICAN!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Not now, Barack!

Posted by: wendy | October 3, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I can manage this without, once, calling you names or belittling you. Although Bobby will be annoyed by another "book" (sorry! and sorry for leaving my name off the last one, that's not my norm)

Anna's nightmare: HE also had eight years in the house as well as running a very successful law practice.

Lincoln had eight years in the STATE LEGISLATURE; so did Obama. Lincoln served two years in the House; Obama 2 years in the Senate. Obama chose to use his law degree to help people who needed help; oddly, so did Lincoln, although he didn't get a nifty "community organizer" title for it - he called it "pro bono legal work".

Anna's nightmare: It is not your body that his having its head fractured to have your brains (probably vacuous anyway) sucked out so you can be legally called dead.

You can pretend that makes what I said wrong, but it doesn't. Palin is anti-choice, period. How you or I view abortion, another argument.

Anna's nightmare: For the last 40+ years sex education has been taught to EVERY kid in America. Yeah that's working GREAT. How many brains were sucked out of heads last years- millions. Nice job Planned "Parenthood".

Again, that doesn't make what I said wrong - Palin wants abstinence-only sex education and it does not work. Does what we're doing now work? No, but going backward isn't the answer.

Anna's nightmare: What she said last night is what she has said all along and what virtually every scientists agrees with. With out without man, the climate of earth has swung dratically between hot and cold periods for at least the last 2 BILLION YEARS.

I don't disagree with the science; the point is that she has SAID, not last night and not publicly since she was chosen, that man had nothing to do with climate change - and then, recently, said that it doesn't matter what caused it, we ought to fix it. Most people understand that we need to know what caused it to fix it.

Anna's nightmare: How do you explain the fact she has the HIGHEST APPROVAL RATING OD ANY GOVONOR?

One more time, this does not make me wrong. She USED to have an awesome approval rating, but as Alaskans learn what she's been up to, it has dropped a lot. Still, her approval rating is not the issue - she hires unqualified friends and fires qualified people that disagree with her, drove her hometown into enormous debt and lied repeatedly about her "bridge to nowhere" history.

Anna's nightmare: Please point to a single incident where she claimed to be, as you say, an "expert".

I did not say EXPERT, I said "NORAD has made clear that, despite her wild claims, Palin exerts no power over "keeping an eye on Putin"." EXERT, not EXPERT.

Anna's nightmare: You're the type that is tied to a liberal form of logic

For the record, my liberal friends consider me conservative. I hate Clinton(s). I'm currently reading "See, I Told You So" by Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: AnnaLovesBooks | October 3, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-sixpack-speaks.html

Friday, October 03, 2008
Joe Sixpack Speaks

Come on in.

I prefer Joseph, really. It's not a status thing. It's just, you know, once I was walking down the street in Wasilla, it was all "Hey, Joe!" "Hey, Joey!"

Yes, that's right, I don't drop my "g"s. What is that, anyway? There is a "g" at the end of the word, after all.

The thing is, sure I like bowling, poker. But I also like Vivaldi, you know? It's so condescending. It's as if they're trying to draw a caricature, a one-dimensional person for purely political purposes.

(Brushes hair back with his hand. Steam from radiator hisses softly in background)

And did you ever notice how the people who use the term "Joe Sixpack" are never from the lower class of the population themselves?

It's an act, really, on their part, just a political vehicle, a means to an end. If I was working for her, and said just one thing the wrong way, you can be sure that ol' Joe Sixpack would be canned just as fast as a load of Wasilla salmon.

Personally, I'd rather have someone who saw me as an actual person, not a political trope. They're more likely to care about me and my kids' needs, rather than using the false empathy designed to once again lure the middle and lower classes with populist appeals that are then brutally contradicted by their policies.

I mean, it's as if they're hoping that we're stupid, so that we'll fall for the same old empty words, and then they think we'll just fall asleep again once they're in office, while they cater to their buddies again, you know?

(Dog barks). Quiet, Bruno!

It's like they create a symbol of a false humanity, in order to avoid dealing with our actual problems and needs. It's like my foreman told me, who's that guy, what's his name, oh yeah, Dostoyevsky said: "A man who lies to himself, and believes his own lies, becomes unable to recognize truth, either in himself or in anyone else."

Anyway, I've got to get going. You can take the rest of the six-pack with you if you want. I'm giving the stuff up. Fogs the head, makes you vote for these opportunistic guys, you don't hear what they really are saying.

Not this time.

This time, it's going to be different.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-sixpack-speaks.html

Posted by: Jana Walter | October 3, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

The time is now, Michelle Obama !

Posted by: Jackson Optisolar | October 3, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Palin’s ignorance never fails to come through. According to a New York Times piece, Palin woke up Friday morning and suddenly remembered a couple of Supreme Court cases she opposes. Only probably is she got one ruling categorically wrong. Palin told Carl Cameron of Fox News:

“A recent one, Kennedy vs. Louisiana, where the Supreme Court will tell a state that they cannot impose the death penalty even on repeat rapists. A state’s right taken away by the Supreme Court and we will not be able to decide ourselves whether the death penalty could be implemented in that. I am certainly not a supporter of that decision.”

In Kennedy vs. Louisiana, the Supreme Court did not ban execution of “repeat rapists”. Rather, it banned execution of Child Rapists. This is an important distinction because 1) Louisiana enacted a law allowing for capital punishment of Child Rapists; 2) in 1977, the Supreme Court banned capital punishment in cases where the rape victim is an adult.

How can she look up some cases and still get it wrong?

Posted by: jandcgall1 | October 3, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

AFTER THE BLATANT AND STUNNING SEXISM LAUNCHED AGAINST THE HILLARY CLINTON PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN by Barack Hussein Obama and the liberal media, democratic Hillary supporters were thrilled to hear John McCain announce Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate, because, she offers Americans a chance to vote for someone who is her own woman, and who represents a party that, while we don't agree on all the issues, at least respects women enough to take them seriously.

HAVING A WOMAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND NOT AS THE SPOUSE, IS A CHANGE WHOSE TIME HAS COME, despite the fact that the media and Democratic Party leaders have decided otherwise. But with the Sarah Palin’s nomination, Clinton voters, in particular, have received a political wake-up call they never expected. Having watched their candidate and their principles betrayed by the very people who are supposed to be the flame-holders for equal rights and fairness, they now looking across the aisle and see a woman who represents everything the feminist movement claimed it stood for. Women can have a family and a career.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S BULLYING OF THE CLINTON CANDIDACY DURING THE PRIMARY SEASON WAS THE FIRST REVELATION OF HOW MISOGYNISTIC AND SEXIST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BECOME. The democratic party has moved from taking the female vote for granted to outright contempt for women. That's why Sarah Palin represents the most serious conservative threat ever to the modern democratic liberal claim on issues of male cultural and social superiority.
THE TIME IS NOW FOR A WOMAN TO BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE AS AN EQUAL PARTNER IN GOVERNANCE.

COUNTRY FIRST! JOHN MCCAIN/SARAH PALIN

Posted by: Manolete | October 3, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Say it ain't so...liberals.

No matter what Sarah said you would have made it negative. For the lib's she never had a chance. To be "fair and balanced" he never had a chance in my mind.

I will never get over how Joe Biden treated Clarence Thomas. He went way beyond appropriate boundaries. He is a angry, arrogant, lying,nasty, blowhard.

I am amazed that lying has become politically correct.

Posted by: oscar1234 | October 3, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Watching this in the UK, knowing I will not be able to vote in your election, the results of which will effect our country and our people too, was unnerving. Even the remotest possibility that this woman could become President is quite frankly terrifying. Her potted, canned responses, lack of knowledge of basic and vital facts - even on the American constitution, her 'girly' winking and expressions made me squirm. I know this is not the best you can do, you have so many brilliant, intelligent, educated, knowledgeable women in the US. Is this the best McCain could do? Don't you women feel insulted, as I do, by her blatant attempt to bring fluttering eyelids and 'cuteness', winks and all, into the most serious debate on the planet? Is this the behaviour you want to see from a US VP when global issues and lives across the globe are at stake. Worse, I simply cannot understand how she is in the position she is in, nor how so many US citizens seem to be taken in by her. Believe me, this woman is A DANGEROUS, VERY LOOSE CANON. I beg you to spare the world this horror.

Posted by: Chris | October 3, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Damn the Cuda is hot.

Posted by: Bonedaddy | October 3, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain something to me?

Am I suppose to vote for John McCain because Sarah Palin didn't make a fool of herself?

Posted by: gonneyeats | October 3, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is great at rehearsing lines and spitting them out. Does this make a credible potential Leader of the Free World? I'm still just as terrified about her assuming a position one gasp away from the presidency as I was before the debaate.

I want to see her on Meet the Press. If she'll sit down with real journalists and answer questions and not fall apart again, I'll concede that maybe there is some substance behind that atrocious posing and winking (god, what century is she from again?). If she lacks the courage or ability to sit down with journalists and answer questions like every other VP candidate is required to do in our society, she's a lost cause, and the McCain campaign should fold their tents and get out of town.

Posted by: yogi11 | October 3, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Apparently if you study hard for a week; learn a few names of foreign leaders; memorize some meaningless statistics; and don't make a complete idiot of yourself, then you are qualified to be the VP and potentially the President. Republicans seem to think this.

Posted by: Nick | October 3, 2008 2:48 PM

-----------------

Do you mean like spending a week in Debate Camp in Florida?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

oh how I wish Dennis Kucinich was up there against Sarah Quayle, I mean Palin. His cool command of facts and specific plans would have wasted her like dust vapor. I would have asked her... Ms Palin, do you know the origin of the Sunni/Shiite split?
Do you know there is a car in France that runs on air?
And who would Jesus bomb?

we get the government we deserve.

Posted by: professionalhumanbeing | October 3, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

we should support her because she didn't shoot herself like she usually does? gimme a break. she is completely and utterly the most incompetent person to ever aspire to that job...it is so obvious..and the local yokel bit so contrived and dumb...can't you just she her rehearsing those lines, that wink......corn ball and dumb. give it up...why not concede the race now and give everyone a break, save alot of money and get on with getting the country running as it could and should...?

Posted by: ray reyns | October 3, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is PERFECT as a governor - let her be where she came from.

I bet if there were 51% chances of McPain winning this election - his choice of VP is going to put him under 49%.

Free Sarah palin from VP candidacy!

Natalie

Posted by: Natalie, NC | October 3, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

How did she manage to answer a question about Pakistan without ever saying the work Pakistan?

Great - the "average American" can relate to her - so appoint her to some advisory function. NOT elect her to a leading role in American politics.

And how exactly does being a mayor and the governor of Alaska give her more experience than Obama? No one seems to be able to explain what that means.

I'd concede the point if the number of people her decisions affected was anywhere NEAR the number of decisions that Obama and Biden have been called upon to make which affect all of our lives.

"Executive" is more than a title, it's being in a position to provide leadership and steer the course and process of changes in our American lives.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!
'

Posted by: Pancho | October 3, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Palin has as little experience as...Obama. This guy has gotten a free pass and all the lib's can do is mock Palin b/c THEY HAVE NO PLATFORM. Nothing. Every word that comes out of BO's mouth is a shallow sound bite that he has rehearsed a hundred times.

Obama's strategy: first, mis-characterize the situation (everything is W.'s fault; McCain is W. reincarnted; Palin has less experience than Obama, etc.); then, state some really simple, obvious but completely naive solution; and finally, repeat the sound bite solution every single time.

And at least half of the country is fallying for it? Absurd.

So we get yet another another unqualified presidential candidate; can't we do better than this?! I run into more talented people at work every single day.

So go on Dem's (and your minions in the mainstream media), keep up the sarcasm, b/c you certainly have no leadership to follow or platform we can believe in.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Pancho - speak for yourself.

Posted by: ted | October 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

U really think Obama has made positive decisions that have effected our lives? Instead of mocking Palin, why don't you name his great decisions?

I don't think you can b/c he's a fake. We, as a country can do better. McCain is the better man, and the better President.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Natlie,

Your blog is weak. Please write something clear about why you support Obama instead of ripping Palin and maybe we will listen. I have heard nothing on this blog, or anything in months really, about why Obama would be a good president. His platform is shallow and we would not be well served by his inexperience. Let's seem him make some real decisions and effect real change, like McCain, before even considering this guy for the white house.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Ted,

I didn't qualify them as "positive decisions," just that they were in positions to be participating in those decisions.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Rey Rehns or any other Obama supporter. Please: why should we vote for this inexperienced guy? I have not heard one thing that is compelling. Is it the way he says simple things like they...are...very...im...port..ant? McCain had better experience 25 years ago than this guy does now. Please, just one person, try laying off the leaden sarcasm w/ Palin and make an argument for Obama.

I really don't think you can.

Posted by: ted | October 3, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

3 men against 1 gal and she beat them all.

Posted by: tony sacco | October 3, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Mavericks, surge worked, energy independence tapped. Senator Obama voted for/or against that. I'll tolerate homos up to a point. Energy independence, McCain tapped me, a maverick. The surge worked, cut taxes. Doggone it! Drill, baby, drill. Maverick tapped fear fear fear surge worked, create jobs, fear, maverick.

Tapped. Energy independence, the surge worked.

Posted by: Bud | October 3, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey jandcgall1: Do you really think anyone is going to listen to your criticism of Palin when you start with: "according to the NY Times". Please, give us a break and tell us why you support Obama. Why can't any do it? Your pundits on CNN have forgotten why they are supporting him in their haste to bash Palin.

Should we really vote for Obama, when all his supporters can talk about is Palin?!?!?!?

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bud,

Great sarcasm, but why do you support Obama when all of you can only talk about Palin? Sounds like a bit of jealousy to me.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

>It is hard for liberals to be objective, honest and rational.

This is coming from somone who support a 72 year old erratic candidate who doesn't know whether he's supposedly a "maverick", "populist" or "consevative" depending on the flavor of the day and picked a VP candidate to succeed him who is factually unqualified to hold the office.

John McCain is a sell-out and exposed he is just a typical Republican politician by picking Palin. He picked her to appease his base, poach Hillary votes and stoke a culture divide. Even Britain and Europe know Obama is the better candidate.
The only people who don’t get it are the brainwashed right-wing puppets who think that just because someone has a speech draw and likes to fish that somehow makes politicians just like them or the best candidate to run the government. I like Tina Fey too, that doesn’t mean she should run the country. Are we really this foolish? Palin wasn’t the best or most qualified, it’s because mcCain knew she would be a draw to small town America whom they are duping (Sara Palin ain’t like you, folks).
How is this being a "maverick"? How is it ‘Country First”? How is this “I rather win a war than loose an election”? I’ll say it again, John McCain is a sell-out. Obama said it pretty accurately too - Lipstick on a pig, is still a pig.

The most important metric for picking a VP is they are ready to step in from day one. His judgment is reckless and he gambled at our expense. The mere fact Palin is being educated on foreign policy and is avoiding the press indicates she wasn’t prepared on day one. She is running for the second highest office, but can’t answer questions from the press or public with any sense of comprehension? Don't know the answer, tell the moderator you'll go to some other memorized talking point dog gone it! This doesn’t alarm anyone?

I lost all my respect for John McCain. He's not the hero today he was 35 years ago. McCain is nothing without Palin.

Posted by: laura | October 3, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Enough about Sarah, when will someone start talking about Biden's mistakes? If she would have said any of the gaffs he said, the press would have fried her today.

When will Washington, NYC and the haughty news people recognize that the rest of us are not impressed with them and their arrogant, we know best attitude?

Ugh!

Posted by: Jim | October 3, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The press and media have tried their best to damage Sarah Palin, but like the phoenix, she has risen and exceeded expectations!

She may not have a record as long as Joe Biden, but she held her own. We fail to remember that it was just 2 yrs. ago when a newbie named Barack Obama, came on the scene with such a thin resume. Thanks to Hillary Clinton, he sounds more seasoned... BUT, this does not necessarily mean he has acquired the credentials to lead us out of the financial crisis his political party helped to create.

We need checks and balances between the Legislative and Executive Branches of our govenment, and this is why we should not have a Democratic president, Congress and Senate! With the 3 going at it, the chances of a socialist gov't. seems more of a reality than ever!

Posted by: BJ | October 3, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

You could easily replace "Palin" with "Obama" in the text and it applies too.

Why is there double standard here? If Palin is folksy and doesn't go specifics, she's lightweight. If someone else does it, he's connecting with the people.

Posted by: B Fair | October 3, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

ted!

Obama is an intelligent person and a great leader. He isn't surrounded by the people who surround George Bush, who have wrecked my country and the world's respect for my country.

You have only two real choices. Ron Paul will not be elected.

I used to like McCain but now I don't know who he is. He seems a little unstable. Palin is a regular good ol' gal, but how many of those do you trust to be POTUS.

Obama has been a national political figure for 4 years if you've paid attention. He has kept saying the same things, like he might mean it. He is able to inspire people to action and that is what we really need.

Posted by: Bud | October 3, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Palin exceeds LOWEST expectations ever! WOOHOO!

Now if only she'd get back to us with answers to the questions that were actually asked last night, rather than the note cards she was reading that all had answers to some completely different question...

Posted by: JakeR | October 3, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm a soccer mom and I know soccer moms and I'm good friends with quite a few of them. But at my son's game tonight, most of the parents sat around talking about how insincere and arrogant she seemed. Did she seriously wink at the camera?! She'd have been better off without using the community sports angle, most of us resent it now.

Posted by: Amanda | October 3, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Between Palin and Obama, I'd choose Palin anytime.

Posted by: Choice | October 3, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks. I'm not convinced at all that Obama is a great leader (where's the proof?), but I do respect a more thoughtful post.

Please list the specific instances where Obama has lead something, anything!? I would bet the list for McCain is 200x better.

Posted by: Bud | October 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

She's a HOCKEY mom, soccer is for pansies.

Posted by: Bud | October 3, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

When I envision what a McCain Presidency would be like, I think of all of the rash behavior and impetus decisions he's made.

When I think of Palin rising to the position of President for whatever reason, it scares me to death.

Posted by: wolf | October 3, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I would trust a regular person like Sarah to be POTUS long before I'd trust the people in Washington!

Posted by: Jim | October 3, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Amanda,

Sure, you can camplain and be critical. That's easy and all we hear from the Dems. Please some reasons to support Obama. I haven't heard them in months and I'm concerned you are all trying to push him because you are affiliating with your political party rather than because he is best for our country.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I've been involved with Obama's campaign, which is a huge organization that is working very well and bringing together people from all walks of life.

I'm sorry. Obama inspires me, and a few million people like me.

You'll see.

Posted by: Bud | October 3, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Wolf,

No disrespect, but can't you do better than that? all I've heard about since the republican convention is democrates hate and sarcasm for palin. It was really hyped in your press through CNN - every single night.

wild guess, i'll bet you have never voted for anyone other than a democrat...

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

if you are really rich, there aren't as many reasons to support Obama.

#1 - George W. Bush, Worst. President. EVER.

#2 - Health care reform to benefit middle class citizens rather than insurance and drug companies.

#3 - Serious dedication to alternative energy sources. We are about 20 years too late. McCain will just drill baby drill until the oil companies eat us all for lunch.

#4 - Community organizing is where it really happens

#5 - McCain is a philanderer and an opportunist.

#6 - Michelle, Sasha, Malia

#7 - clinging to HOPE vs. giving to FEAR

need more???

Posted by: Bud | October 3, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I think it's fascinating how irrational people are about politics. It is this juvenile polarization we need to learn to outgrow. The best form of government is self-government. Plus, we always love the candidates.

Posted by: Kropotkin | October 3, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah, I forgot

ENDING THE STUPID WAR

Posted by: Bud | October 3, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin's act might be what's called for on a sitcom, but it's hardly vice presidential material. Her consonant-dropping, winking, non-answers to debate questions were beyond incompetent - they were in appallingly bad taste. What's good enough for Alaska is not good enough for the United States of America.

Posted by: RSmith | October 3, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem. As we've seen over and over, one of the key elements of successful leadership for our country is putting the right people in positions to create change.

By selecting someone based on poor advice, someone McCain had never even met, to "shore" up missing elements, McCain has demonstrated one of two things:
1) I'm a maverick and shoot from the gut, or 2) I'm listening to really poor advice

Personally, I don't have much confidence in either option.

We also have to be careful - Palin is not the "middle American hockey mom" she's being painted as. She has a steel core to her and a very specific agenda that she's trying to cover with a false ingenuity. She's dangerous for both reasons. At least Cheney never pretended to be "one of us."

And McCain needs to exhibit better judgment on who he surrounds himself with. Mavericks never run with the pack, and packs never follow the maverick.

In my opinion, Obama and Biden have clearly expressed both goals and strategies of how to achieve them.

I've only been hearing catchphrases and sound bites from McCain/Palin that we are supposed to believe reflect a sound plan.

While I may not fully understand how either team intends to succeed at their goals, I have to say I have seen nothing to instill trust in McCain/Palin. I think they are earnest people who have a desire to make positive change - I just don't think either of them come with the tools to accomplish it.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

While the debate last night was not the debacle for Palin as her previous interviews have clearly shown, it solidified for many that McCain chose to put his short term campaign strategy before the long term needs of our country. Basically his succession planning is ill planned and only based on "getting votes - living in the now" and not what is truly needed in the 2nd most important position in the country. I wanted Palin to be able to hit a homerun last night because quite frankly it is embarassing to me as a woman to see her struggle. However being able to "talk about nothing while appearing to be talking about something" is not going to help the McCain/Palin ticket. I wouldn't doubt McCain is trying to think of ways to get out of this quandry, but we, the people cannot be fooled at this point. We've seen too much and it "aint pretty".

Posted by: Angie | October 3, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"God Bless them oil execs!"

They've never made a profit while most of the american public struggles to pay for gas. What a retarded thing for Palin to say.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

Nice try. But still, only criticism of McCain Palin and some vague reference to Obama's plans. I have nothing to go on from you guys and I think that you might not even know. I sense that you are just voting for some political affiliation rather than looking at and supporting the facts of who has more leadership. You should probably think before you jump to criticize on a blog or we will never get this democracy going.

Posted by: ted | October 3, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

This column and article are so anti-Palin they are not worth reading.

Posted by: spaz | October 3, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin is Governor Ventura in lipstick.
I realize few outside of Minnesota would understand that but she won't be winning there anyway.

Posted by: thoren58 | October 3, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

blah blah

Posted by: Anonymous | October 3, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Bud,

So, you want to elect Obama as president of the United States because he spoke out against Iraq. Iraq has been a blunder, but elect the guy president for some "no-lose" statement he made that nobody followed anyways? A true leader would have been able to do something about it.

I could get into many reasons why a successful campaign, with appropriate support from Dem's and the media would have reshaped the middle east, but I'll give you that point because you would probably refuse to listen.

But then what about Biden? Why is he on the ticket given his support for the Iraq war? Please don't say he didn't understand what he was voting for or that he was against it before he was for it. you know that is political crap.

I don't think Obama has any leadership experience and is a fake, manufature presidential candidate and I defy any Dem to convince me otherwise.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

The way some folks - journalists and "pundits" included - seem to be convinced that Mrs Palin "won" the debate beats me...
How is that possible?

It just can't be... Unless substance has been devalued to such an extent that it urgently needs an intellectual bailout...

Posted by: Olivier G | October 3, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Boy there are some woman hating going on, I'm glad to know that so many of you are experts on foreign affairs and on how to save this county. Why didn't you run for office. Oh Yeah you were to busy playing arm chair quarterback. I think Palin did really gosh darn good. Just think 44 yoa. and she put a 30 year veteran in his place not once, not twice, but all night long. YOU GO GIRL!!!! Besides why don't you quit pushin MaCain in a DAMN grave already.

Posted by: Russ | October 3, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I am saddened to hear that some people felt that Palin did an ok job at the debate. I am not saying that she said something awful that people didn't seem to notice, it's just that she often didn't answer questions at all and always seemed to be simply reciting portions of the stump speaches that the McCain campaign speach writers wrote for her. If voters feel that is all they expect from someone who could quite likely end up as President, it is a sad day for our democracy.

What I expect in a debate is some insight into how the candidate thinks. We saw some of that in the McCain Obama debate, but none at all in the Biden Palin debate. Palin would keep going back to questions she felt she had good answers to and Biden was so aware of the importance of not making a mistake that he resorted to very safe simplistic answers and never called Palin for refusing to answer the question.

I would have loved to see a format similar to the one used in the Obama McCain debate, or one in which even more time was given to answer complex questions. When the allotted time is measured in seconds, the candidates are forced to give prerehersed answers that require no thought. The voters learn nothing more than how good an actor the candidate is, not all that useful information when deciding who the leader of the most powerful country on earth should be.

Posted by: captbilly | October 3, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Ted. You seem so disgruntled.

Obama has a plan for healthcare reform, tax reform and a noble goal to phase ourselves out of a war we should never have been in, and can never win. (You think that's a white flag? Then you better tell me we should still be in Viet Nam).

Since this item is about Palin, let me say that she has more than redeemed herself in the realm of public debate. But she still hasn't said dung.

Palin is at best 'recently polished' and at worst, full of crap. She botched several key facts and she refused to answer half of the questions posed to her. Pitiful.

As an aside, she pronounces 'nuclear' just like GW. Ouch.

Ted, defend her if you must. But your defense of her reeks of republican rhetoric. If you really want to focus on the issues then please post a summary of McSame's plans. If you cannot do that, then don't ask other posters to do the (mc)same.

Posted by: OntheMark | October 3, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

thoren58,

That wasn't a very thoughtful comment. Are you just riding the junior H.S.-esque wave of hate for Palin? Please, anyone, try giving us some reason to vote for Obama. The rationale for his election is conspicuous by its absence.

BTW, MN is the greatest state with the absolute best quality of life in country!

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Palin was herself last night and demonstrated that not only is she an intellectual black hole, unable to link two spoken sentences on the same topic, but that John McCain's judgement is flawed terribly. He did not employ people who have the slightest idea about how to pick a running mate and he disrespected other women in the Republican party by putting up such an inane choice.
The only Republicans who can continue to support this candidacy can be classed as 'bitter enders.'
Obama and Biden will win by a landslide, given the pitiful Republican record in Congress which combines corruption, shredding of civil rights and incompetence with toilet stall dating and pederasty, but the President and Veep elect are certain to have to contend with surprises on the Democratic side.
Right now, the behavior of both parties increases the Democrats' control of both houses, but there is a serious move ongoing to dump incumbents.
Americans have apparently reached the end of their patience with stalling on health care, energy dependence and environmental issues and having seen no real progress from either party, have done some serious organizing to avoid returning the same people to Washington.
There is a small but real threat to Democrats retaining Congressional control but the odds now favor a big Republican dump with only a few really significant Democratic disasters.
Bears watchin'.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 3, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I thought Palin did an okay job. She didn't crash and burn. Biden presented himself well, he seemed alot more thoughtful and articulate. Everything was fine until she started winking, it was oddly charming yet very unprofessional and she didn't really answer any of the questions.

Metaphorical example of the debate:

Ifill: Palin and Biden what is 5+5

Biden: The answer is 10 because 5 apples and 5 oranges will make 10 pieces of fruit.

Palin: Ya' know (wink) I am not really interested in the mathematics of big government..lets talk about energy.


Palin's best line of the night was "say it ain't so joe."

Biden's best line of the night was "the ultimate bridge to nowhere."

That was the ultimate burn...I'm surprised she didn't start on fire.

Posted by: jess | October 3, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

OnTheMark,

You can knock me or Palin all you want, but is that all you can do. Please, again, a few reasons to vote for Obama.

Now I'm starting to have fun b/c nobody can come up with a reason to vote for this guy - even on a blog on one of his very own outlets, the Washington Post.

I am a super happy person, btw. I love life and fully support McCain and Palin. McCain has truly proven to be one of the great hero's of this country: in war and in his bipartisan leadership in the senate over so many years.

Palin, is about as experienced as Obama, but just hasn't been a professional presidential candidate for the last 6 years. So yeah, she's inexperienced, but I love her fight and I think she could truly make a positive impact on washington.

I really do not know anything about Obama b/c he never really says anything of substance. I'm trying to be straight. I would like to vote for the first african-american president, but I just don't think he has done ANYTHING to earn the office.

I don't understand all this hate from the Dem's and lack of support for their own candidate. So, please provide some reasons. Really, just try.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the insight Ted, but I'm actually a registered Republican in Texas. I one of the many here who have been proud of the strong women who have held public office, in executive roles, who have created and supported change in our country. There are number of these women throughout the country.

I can't imagine us having this same conversation about any of them, and I find it disheartening that Palin was considered to be the most qualified to stand by McCain's side.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Several people have commented that "sophicated speakers" care only for themselves, and assert that only people who can't speak intelligently are qualified to lead. Here's what I'm looking for in a president: Someone who better qualified to be leader of the free world than I am. Someone who's smarter than me. Obama and Biden and both qualified to be president; McCain, while his embrace of the disgusting Karl Rove tactics that cost him the 2000 election has cost him my respect and turns my stomach, remains qualified to be president. Regardless of ideology, the other primary candidates in both parties proved themselves to be worthy. Sarah Palin is not.

This can't be a popularity contest. People went for Bush in 2000 because he put on some folksy charm and people thought he would be a good guy to have a beer with. Maybe he would be. And Governor Palin seems like she certainly would be fun at the end-of-summer barbecue. But right now our country is facing a number of incredibly threatening problems with the economy, the wars, the increasing culture and class divide, and our lost position in the world, and this is not the time to elect people based on claims of being just a regular joe. The Right has hurled "elite" as an insult at Barack Obama because he went to Harvard and clearly appears educated. We should crave elite leaders... those who are smart enough to address the real problems that face our nation and the world.

Posted by: Mark | October 3, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

We can have an amazing effect on the nonsense that's going on in Washington if we'll just do something non-partisan. Work for and take every opportunity to vote to dump incumbents. Encourage others to do this as well. There are thousands of people who are committed to this as am I. We're 'way past 'enuf is enuf' -- we're at 'no more will be tolerated.'
You saw what public outcry did with respect to the wallstreet bailout -- they blinked!
Let's get them not only to blink, but to open both eyes and quit winking.

VOTE AGAINST EVERY INCUMBENT YOU CAN. ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.
OUR COUNTRY REALLY IS WORTH IT.
Thanks.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | October 3, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I was a Hillary supporter who had considered voting for McCain when Hillary was out of the picture. I thought he was deserving because of his sacrifices for his country. I now so appreciate Hillary & Bill's speech for democrats to back Obama.

McCain has displayed heroism in war time, he was selfless putting Country first, but in picking Palin he revealed that he will do anything to be elected. Not heroic at all. A most self serving move. Truly selfish, country should have come first. Who would truly be the best choice for the job? McCain showed terrible judgment in choosing Palin. His Hawkish positions remind me a lot of the General in "Dr. Strangelove" He is scary. His running mate reminds me of the fembots in the Austin Powers flick. Any minute she's going to start shooting at you. What a pair!

Sarah certainly appeals to the bible belt, a group that sure doesn't support McCain. That's all she has to offer the ticket. It would be scary to think she could be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

There is nothing impressive about this woman politically. I think perhaps she would be a great contestant on Trump's "The Apprentice." She certainly qualifies for that title.

Hillary & Bill Clinton are so right. We must vote Obama Biden. Vote Democrat for the sake of the middle class or there will only be 2 classes, rich and destitute. We don't need another 4 years of Bush!

Posted by: Judiann53 | October 3, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

Yes, I agree there are some great republican women out there rising up through the ranks. Strange that the Dems pound on any republican that is not a white male with extra vigor (ie. Biden's over-the-line intimidation of Clarence Thomas).

OK, I've got to go to bed, but please after i leave this blog now would somebody state a reason to vote for Obama? I don't understand how this guy can have so many supporters on the attack for him, while being able to supply so few reasons to support him.

I started typing on this blog out of curiousity. Now i'm concerned about how easily Obama's supporters can attack the other side but not justify their own candidate. Hmmmm.

Please think about it.

Good nite.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's vote McCain/Palin ....

She's the next Cheney with lipstick...
He's the next Bush (worse)

All idiots : no education and IQ

God saves us

Posted by: tod | October 3, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

hang on hang on hang on.....

I watched the debate in its entirity, although abroad and tired at the time.

However, I could swear toward the end of the debate Palin, referring to McCain as a war hero, said something like "McCain won a war for us".

Now as far as I know the only war McCain fought in (albeit shortly) was the Viet Nam war.

Is this is in fact what she said, Biden should have reminded her we did NOT win the Viet Nam war.

Consequently, if a prisoner of war won a war for us we never actually won, does that mean he in reality LOST the war for us?

In general the debate showed Biden like an old puppy dog afraid to confront Palin's evasiveness. His constant smiles at her silliness didn't work for me.

I hope they worked for the voters though; the McCain/Palin ticket is a nightmare as another episode in the continuing idiocy of Republican politics that have brought down the country and sees much of the world ridiculing us, including our so-called allies.

Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Goodnight, Ted.

Well, let's see.....hmmmm... he's not McCain?

I find it interesting that the definition of maverick, from the Princeton online encyclopedia is: an unbranded range animal (especially a stray calf); belongs to the first person who puts a brand on it

Sound familiar? Doesn't sound like leadership to me.

I also have more trust in the people that support and advice Obama than I do the McCain camp - the Palin issue is the most visible face of that poor judgement.

And not to put too fine a point on it or take this discussion off on a tangent - McCain has sacrificed himself for his country in the war, but he certainly didn't lead us to victory. Hard to do as a POW - again that's more about personal strength and belief than it is about knowing how to win a war.

I live a better life because of the sacrifices of McCain and his compatriots, and I am grateful for that.

But having that make a case for military leadership is as foolish as saying one has foreign policy experience because they live next door to Canada.

So again, my major reasons to vote for Obama/Biden are a trust in their judgment and those around them, and I certainly can't say the same about McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Kurt. I don't believe that you are a republican from Texas. Sorry if you are telling the truth, but I just don't believe you.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Aw, Ted. You're lack of trust is heart-breaking.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I should have written that in the new language of politics.

Gosh darn it, Teddy, you're breakin' your mom's heart. WINK

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

reg. my previous comment:

Here is the exact quote copied and pasted from the Washington Post. It is very manipulative and misleading. It is, in fact, very republican party like:

"...we'll have proof of some of this, but, again, John McCain who knows how to win a war. Who's been there..."

Sarah Palin in debate with Joe Biden.

Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Sarah did an excellent job, just being Sarah. And what's so wrong with that? When did charm, wit and intellegence become so threatening? We need someone in office who has the ability to not only speak for the people, but speak to the people. Isn't everyone else as tired as being spoken at as I am? I can't think of a place on this planet in more need of a people person than the White House.

Posted by: Robbie | October 3, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

cricket......cricket.....cricket

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

I'm back....but why so sarcastic? In fact, why is almost every single post from the Dem's sarcastic? Is it because you collectively have nothing to say in support of your candidate?

And in reading your comment, it sounds like you are admitting to lying about being a democrate from Texas. What's so great about that?

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

why is most of the press fixated more on whether Palin can speak english and recite pointed lines, rather than on critiquing her performance and responses as a serious candidate for V.P.? Did she pass that bar? Scrutinize her substance, capabilities, judgement, guiding principles and insights.She seems empty of the understanding, wisdom, intellect and even the most basic sense needed for a V.P. As a presidential spare tire, having her in office would be like trying to run a cadillac on a wooden wagon wheel. What a charming, folky, traditional, rural, downhome and "real" American sight, but we just wouldn't get very far.

The real story is what Palin repressents a serious V.P. Choice, Mccain's choice for continuity of his programs and policies. She repressents dramatic uncertainty and doubt. She seems do understand little and have even less knowledge about the constitution she will be entrusted to defend, should she be elected. Further her handlers are deliberately attempting to cloud our understanding of her by shielding her from media and unscripted moments.They do not trust our decisions. I would go so far as to say they are trying to decieve us about her and her record.

What I cannot understand is why the press is overly fascinated with weaving stories around her, rather than getting to the real story of her. ether Palin can speak english and recite pointed lines, rather than on critiquing her performance and responses as a serious candidate for V.P.? Did she pass that bar? Scrutinize her substance, capabilities, judgement, guiding principles and insights.She seems empty of the understanding, wisdom, intellect and even the most basic sense needed for a V.P. As a presidential spare tire, having her in office would be like trying to run a cadillac on a wooden wagon wheel. What a charming, folky, traditional, rural, downhome and "real" American sight, but we just wouldn't get very far.

The real story is what Palin repressents a serious V.P. Choice, Mccain's choice for continuity of his programs and policies. She repressents dramatic uncertainty and doubt. She seems do understand little and have even less knowledge about the constitution she will be entrusted to defend, should she be elected. Further her handlers are deliberately attempting to cloud our understanding of her by shielding her from media and unscripted moments.They do not trust our decisions. I would go so far as to say they are trying to decieve us about her and her record.

What I cannot understand is why the press is overly fascinated with weaving stories around her, rather than getting to the real story of her.

Posted by: sarah d. evader | October 3, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

No, Ted. I am a Texan Republican. Truth.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Ron,

If we were to compare gaffes between Palin and Biden, you would be quite embarrassed for you party. BTW, got anything to say in support of Biden or Obama rather than mock Palin?

I didn't think so...

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Prove it.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Open question to all the Dem's on this pro-democratic outlet.

Why has there been no "gotcha" interviews with Obama?

He is asked the same question time after time. What's up with his free pass?

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Robbie you write "When did charm, wit and intellegence become so threatening? We need someone in office who has the ability to not only speak for the people, but speak to the people. Isn't everyone else as tired as being spoken at as I am? I can't think of a place on this planet in more need of a people person than the White House."

Charm, wit and intelligence (you got the spelling wrong) become dangerous when they replace fact and an ability to see clearly. If combined with honesty and truth there is no problem.

However you might look carefully at Palin's well-rehearsed and manipulative answers and misleading thoughts during the debate.

She wants very much for people to vote for her charm and wit, uses her intelligence to manipulate people's thoughts (or rather lack thereof) about who she is and what she is capable of.

I cannot understand why we consistently vote for people's "apparent" personalities when we have been continuously deceived by unscrupulously ruthless and greedy politicians.

Palin is not a wolf in sheep's clothing; she is a typical sheep that wants to be a wolf and will transform herself into something she is not in the public eye. God save us if ever they are elected and for some reason SHE takes office as president.

It would be interesting to hear your take on her suggesting McCain won a war we never actually won. Is that part of the char, wit or intelligence you are referring to?

Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

And could you please tell me why almost every post i read on these blogs from the Dem's is a sarcastic jab?

Is that how Obama would deal with N. Korea, Iran, and the Taliban? Through sophomoric sarcasm?

I'm glad the youth vote is out, but hopefully they know who and what they are voting for.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Sure......where should I fax my voter registration card? Really. As if it matters.

I was just trying to show you I was not spouting party lines, but have actually formed my opinions on my own.

I'm a Republican primarily because I believe in a reduced role of government in my day-to-day life. I think that's all there is to say about that.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Ronn,

Maybe you can help. I have yet to read any block on the washington post that provides any insight into why we should vote for Obama.

It looks like a sarcastic, comedic listing from of junior high school kids who gang up on someone, in this case Palin. Is it jealousy?

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Ted the whole "gotcha" thing should be understand. Palin and McCain and republican politicians in general consciously apply deviousness to avoid being seen for what they are.

Democrats tend to just make mistakes because that's what people do sometimes.

There is a difference in making mistakes and knowingly trying to trick the people into believing you are something you are not.

I think politicians in general are not held responsible for what they say and do in this country. But trying to suggest Obama has been let off the hook is absurd, considering how he has been put up against the wall many times.

I ask again, it's a simple question: how exactly did McCain help us win a war we actually lost!?


Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

What will Obama do if:

Iran develops a nuclear weapon?
NK continues its game of deception and exports nuclear capability?
Liquidity in the credit markets does not improve?
Russia invades its another of its neighbors?
An American city is nuked by bin laden?

Pointing the finger at your neighbor W. just wont work at that point, but that is all that I know he can do.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Ted:

I would love to hear the answers on the McCain/Palin side of those questions. Or would that be another "gotcha" interview?

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I am not mocking Palin at all ted, rather I am trying to ask how her having suggested McCain won a war for us is related to fact or truth.

I am not comparing her to Biden either, and if you read what I first wrote i suggested he was acting like a little puppy dog confronted with her on the podium.

The fact is I am enthusiastic nor for Obama nor for McCain. It is for me a question of the lesser evil. I doubt seriously Obama will ever be able to carry out meaningful change in a country where voters are motivated above all else by the size of their wallets.

But although I doubt Obama can do what we says he wants, I KNOW McCain and Palin will do nothing to help the average citizen, neither of the USA nor of the world.

My vote for Obama is a vote to keep McCain & Palin out.

Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Ronn,

I understand what you are saying, but your reasoning is way too cynical for me. Do you really think that Dem's are better people with better intentions than republicans?

5% of the people in this country contribute more than 65% of our taxes. the majority of this 5% are republicans and I really don't think they are less well intentioned than so many of the Dem's who go to a job every day (or not) funded by those tax dollars.

Anyway, I understand that what you are saying but it is simply a stereotype.

Could you help describe the examples of leadership and influence that Obama has demostrated in his life?

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Ted, but I would suggest you take another look at EVITA for lessons of what scares me about Palin.

Posted by: Kurt | October 3, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I think Fox News is biased towards republicans.

Question for Obama supporters:

Do you think CNN, the NYTimes, the New Yorker, the Washington Post, and MSNBC have been significantly harder on Palin than Obama? (IMO, Biden is a non-factor)

From my perspective, I read and see negativity almost every single day from each of these outlets against Palin. I think it makes it almost impossible for her to get her/their message out fairly as these are all large and influencial media outlets.

Combining that bias (although more subtle that with Fox) with the endless sarcasm on blogs like this and you get group think.

We need at least two fairly represented political parties in this country for our democracy to work and I really don't think we are getting it

I think this point is not at all appreciated by the Dems from what I can read on these blogs.

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin demonstrated that she is clearly unqualified to serve as Vice President of the United States. I hope Alaskans will now have this same opinion about her ability to govern their State. Senator McCain had so many other highly qualified, distinguished Republican office holders from which to choose. His choice of Governor Palin reflects poorly on his ability to carry out the duties of President. Who will he choose to serve in his cabinet?

Posted by: Steve | October 3, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Ted we are on opposite side of a very tiny little fence that we sometimes perceive as a thick, brick wall.

You ask:

What will Obama do if:

1) Iran develops a nuclear weapon?
2) NK continues its game of deception and exports nuclear capability?
3) Liquidity in the credit markets does not improve?
4) Russia invades its another of its neighbors?
5) An American city is nuked by bin laden?

Numbers 1 & 2 could be avoided if we sat down to talk. It might not work, but least we could say we tried. The current approach hasn't worked.

3) Whether we like it or not we live in a capitalist society where anarchists have run amuck and McCain has links to them.

4) Russia does not see it as an invasion any more than we see as invasions our intrusions in other countries in Europe recently or Latin America. Believe me, some of those countries do!

5) If one of our cities is "nuked" I will blame the idiocy of attacking Iraq and wasting time, resources and human lives instead of concentrating on the real enemy.

I realize you have taken your stand and nothing I say will hit home. But wherever there is the possibility of resolving issues through diplomacy instead of sacrificing human life I see hope.

Remember also who benefits from war. Then look at the numbers, the profits made by our arms manufacturers, consistently throughout the decades. Then look at the people that sit on the boards of directors of these enterprises.

Then you will begin to understand why many of our top politicians go to war rather than trying to find peaceful solutions.

In order to continue to go to profit-making wars they have to convince us, the people these wars are unavoidable, to create in our collective mindset enemies we fear.

But don't worry, their sons don't go. It is the sons and daughters of the working class that carry out the deed. Meanwhile the Washington fat cats and their cohorts retire smugly and count the cash for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Kurt,

I think you should look at MEMRI to see what we are up against in the middle east. Scary, b/c Obama looks like he could win this election and he has NO IDEA.

All the sarcasm in the world in blogs like this will not give Obama the right experience in our foreign policy. I'm really nervous that he does not know what he is getting into. Give him another 8 years of experience and then let's take another look to see if he's actually achieved anything.

Why do my calls for demostrating Obama's record of achievement/leadership consistently go unchallenged?!?!?!

Posted by: Ted | October 3, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jamesreid | October 3, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I am a politics junkie and could be considered a liberal. I mostly skim blogs read all sorts of articles pertaining to politics domestic and international. I do find some of the some comments made by Republicans and Liberals to be little crazy sometimes.

Anyhow I found this you tube video on
How to speak Republican and thought it was hilarious for any of you liberals who get really frustrated arguing with republicans, this video pretty sums it up, it made me laugh and not pay as much attention to the sometimes outlandish comments left by republicans (yes I know liberals do it to)

Its really funny in case you want a breather...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXk4P12p1tU

It kinda sums up Palin's speech. Goodnight and Barack on.

Posted by: BigBrotherWaPo | October 3, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for replying. We obviously disagree, but at least you think you tried. Again, your answers are all about pointing the finger at W. (and once at McCain), but no real position on Obama. So, its getting sad.

OK, You think Obama sitting down to talk with Iran and N. Korea will help. I don't. W. has done an amazing job of restraint and patience in dealing with both countries, but I want to look forward and hear what Obama would do. I don't think he will do anything and be in the same position that Carter and Clinton were in literally held hostage by these types of dictators. (Actually I think Clinton did a really good job as president overall and can't really rip him for much accept not dealing effectivgely with the likes of bin laden, Sadam, N. Korea or Iran) At least W. has put some pressure on them. Unfortunately the dems and their media minions wouldn't get behind it which emboldens other countries to do nothing or in fact defy us.

On the final point, I must admit I stopped reading when you said you would blame W. for a nuked american city instead of giving me your thoughts on what Obama might do. Don't you get it? You just proved my thesis that you have no real supporting arguments for Obama's leadership or his platform and only can blame W. for everything, especially on foreign policy where McCain knows 100x as much.

Looking backward and blaming W. is no reason to elect Obama. W. got a bad rap from the lib press and the Dem's were happy about the troubles in Iraq and I bet that you know it.

Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why Barack Obama is more qualified to by president than, say your tax advisor or favorite college professor? Disagree with Joe Biden all you like, but he is head and shoulders above the head of the ticket!

Posted by: Bestboy | October 3, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Ted i hate to say "I asked you first" (intended to be humorous, not sarcastic)

I did thought ask how McCain helped us win a war we actually really LOST.

So as far as experience goes, Palin doesn't exactly shine. Experience in bamboozling apart.

I am nervous too about Obama, but I am a nervous wreck about McCain.....

I would like to add one aside. My father and brother both saw active duty in a war we "lost", Viet Nam (my brother volunteered twice) Both were career military men. Both today believe t was our politicians that got us involved there and the war was senseless.

Both of these men have still consistently voted Republican for other reasons. But both also did something for the first time in their lives in the last elections: they voted against Bush.

As was once said "speak softly and carry a big stick". Diplomacy is a soft voice. The stick should not even be mentioned when speaking softly..... That doesn't imply throwing the stick on the rubbish heap.

PS Now I know this will sound silly but where I am currently stationed, I take regular evening walks. There are a lot of stray dogs in the street. I carry a stick. But I carry it at my side. If I run around screaming at dogs and threatening them they would get aggressive. When a dog approaches I talk in a calm way.

This usually works, and I am convinced it is the combination of my relaxed voice and the dogs seeing the stick that keeps them at bay.

They must have had previous experiences with sticks because otherwise they wouldn't know.

We have used the stick enough in the world for others to know we carry one. We don't need to brandish, or even refer to it as a threat. Everybody knows it's there, Ted. Everybody.

Posted by: Ronn | October 3, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Biden is much more experienced than Obama and its hard to knock the guy, other than he flies off the handle a little too often.

I really don't think Obama is experienced enough to be president, nor has he ever achieved/influenced anyting other than winning the democratic nomination for pres.

Posted by: Ted | October 4, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Ted I already said I am not a big Obama fan. I also said clearly for me it is a question of voting for the lesser evil. There are no politicians in the country I particularly endorse these days.
I am just one voice among millions, not an advocate of the democratic party.

Personally I am convinced the ONLY way into the future is dialogue and UNDERSTAND our enemies.

Obama implies he will attempt this. Given the fiasco of our attempt to impose our will on others I say give it a try.

Do I trust him? I trust his intentions. I doubt his ability. But again, it is the choice of hope and not of despair.

It is written "know your enemy". We have no choice, we cannot obliterate a quarter of the earth's population because we don't want to talk, just crush.

It is amazing to me how we even dream of ever catching Bin Ladin. We cannot even spot acres and acres of poppy fields that produce the stuff that destroys our youth. If we can't find hundreds of thousand of acres wide poppy fields, how in heck do you believe we will find one one hiding in the mountains?

Something's rotten in the state of Denmark, so they say. Something just ain't right, Ted....

Posted by: Ronn | October 4, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

****


Let me rephrase that last slogan:

Johnny Mac and Barry Who?


jd


****

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | October 4, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Ronn,

Thanks. I like your posting and you seem like an honest blogger. This is my first time trying. You make some fair points.

As you can probably see, I'm having a hard time getting Obama's supporters to articulate their support for him, so I am chiding (and annoying) almost everyone.

It looks like Obama is going to win this thing and I hope he does a good job.

Once he's (probably) elected, I will do my best to support the administration's policies where appropriate rather than drag them through the mud every chance I get (and there will likely be a great many chances).

I still don't think he is the best man for the job.

I've got to get to bed.

Posted by: Ted | October 4, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

****


And that my friends, is what the nation wants to see:

Joey B and "Talk of the Town Palin"

Hope Barry's feelings aren't too hurt(((


jd


****

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | October 4, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to you Ted,

Glad we got some dialogue going. I hope the same for the future.

Whoever wins,,,,,

'Nite

Posted by: Ronn | October 4, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

****


One last thought,

As a result of intense, personal, introspective consternation, Ms Walters has been advised by her friends on the View to shore up her backside with double daily doses of Metamusil.

Sorry Barbs, but you gotta take it like you give it.....


jd


****

Posted by: Johnny Democracy | October 4, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

good nite...

Posted by: ted | October 4, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

When I envision what a McCain Presidency would be like, I think of all of the rash behavior and impetus decisions he's made.

When I think of Palin rising to the position of President for whatever reason, it scares me to death.


Posted by: wolf | October 3, 2008 9:37 PM

-------------

When I envision what an Obama Presidency would be like, I see Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid making all of the decisions. Hope some of you are able to sleep tonight with that thought.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Talk about skirting the issues. Biden (following his talking points) only could do the same thing the he and Barak keep doing by attacking Bush and his policies. Let's get real and have each candidate propose a plan.

I supported Bush through the 9/11, Afganistan event and the Iraq event. Unfortunately he has not focused at all on domestic policy.

Another thing that voters do not realize and the media does not convey is that every House of Representatives and Senate Bill contains amendents for a variety of related and unrelated items. First it is tragic that most voters are so uneducated about the legislative process. Second it is further tragic that when you question a senator or congressperson on their stand all they talk about is the main part of the bill.

The debates are equally without substance. Are none of the senators (McCain, Obama and Biden) willing to step up with a reponse and say yes I opposed that bill because you added something to appease your supporters.

The media is equally at fault as they lead the public down the road of generalizations.

Wake up America and get to the facts. Study underneath the topline media snippits.

Gosh I wish that voters would wake up.

Posted by: Rick | October 4, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

MRC’s Seton Motley on FNC’s Fox & Friends
By NB Staff | October 3, 2008 - 11:38

The Media Research Center’s Director of Communications and NewsBusters.org Contributing Editor Seton Motley appeared this morning on the Fox News Channel’s Fox & Friends to discuss the media’s ongoing silence about the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, better known by it’s acronym, ACORN.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=e4kU2GaG6U

for video ^^^^^^^

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Obama is "reckless" and that some of what he has said, "in my world, disqualifies someone from consideration as the next commander in chief."
Sarah Palin.
------
Yeah, well in the church lady's world:
She can see Putin (Satan) rearing his head above Alaska

The dinosaurs were roaming the earth with humans.

Witch hunters pray over her.

She doesn't have to answer questions she doesn't like during a DEBATE.

You get travel pay for being at home.

You can not only check out books at the library, you can decide which ones are on the shelves.

You can use your position to win friends and influence others - to fire people.

You can lie and lie some more.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

All you morons out there that believe Palin is more qualified than Obama are just as stupid as her.

She does not have a world view, she sees the world through a tiny lense called Wassilla-she has lived there her entire life. She does not have a curiosity about...anything really.

Can you think of one serious issue she has put forth her position on?

What does she offer beyond sloganeering and flag waving?

She is disrespectful of others, she demands deference, yet doesn't give it to others that have earned it.

and she has no problem lying and lying about lying and then lying some more, I'm sorry but I am sick already of her B.S. it's insulting.

If you don't like Obama then fine, but don't try to pull this crap about him not being qualified, because a lot of people from all walks of life think he is.


Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

"All the sarcasm in the world in blogs like this will not give Obama the right experience in our foreign policy. I'm really nervous that he does not know what he is getting into"
---
I am a videographer for the DoD. In my work I have had the opportunity to talk with (and shoot interviews with) some of the world's leading experts on counter-terrorism and military advisors.

During the primaries I heard Obama's comments on foreign policy and counter-terrorism and found that his ideas were in synch with what I had heard at my work, and that strangely McCain seemed to be at odds with the opinions of our guest speakers.

Naturally I have concluded that we will be better off from a foreign policy standpoint with Obama and that is one reason I will vote for him in Nov.

Posted by: JR | October 4, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in it for the long haul, just like him we do not give up or give in, we will not be thwarted from our deserving victory and our knockout punch will be delivered on election day.

McCain's record of deregulation and foreign policy choices are Mcinsane.

Show me a picture of McCain hugging Bush and tell me why I should vote for him? He is just Bush 4.0. He fell lockstep with Bush for over 90% of the time AND now he is a Maverick wtf. Vote for McCain if you love what Bush has done to our country.

As for Palin, I as a woman who constantly been judged for being attractive rather than my IQ and education (IQ tests are irrevelant). I do not like her for that reason alone. I do not like her because I have something to say unscripted about who will be our next leader and while I know how to be charming and realize beauty is a gift ultimately I think Hillary is a bazillion times more attractive than Palin
because she has something to say. Beauty can be fleeting, but intelligence remains.

I do not wink at job interviews or with clientle and neither should Palin. I could say so much more but lets just leave it at Palin is ridiculous and I know when Obama is elected Hillary will end up doing wtf she wants to do whether it be in New York or Washington and no I'm not a hockey mom, but I do know if I were a mother nothing but MOM would be my title.

As Hillary said she a mother first and senator or presidential candidate second as she said her self no hockey or senate mom included.

I have seen the effects of abuse on women and I will vote for Obama/Biden for that reason alone. Biden was instrumental in passing the Violence Against Women Act and wtf Palin somehow didn't know about rape kits when she was mayor.

Winking and being cute will only get you so far if you are a woman of your own intergrity than voting for Obama/Biden shouldn't be an issue. I respect Biden I see day after day how violence affects both men and women and if he can see how important it is to stop violence on the homefront he has my respect and admiration all the way.

Yes and I was a former independent, but this election cycle for the good of my country I am less ideological.

This election is not about being folksy or cute its about issues and from what I've seen Palin has very little to say.

http://biden.senate.gov/issues/issue/?id=975b0cf4-ce25-42cc-b63d-072fb81e8618

Posted by: Takethis | October 4, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I am a born and raised Alaskan.

We are embarassed and caught in a catch-22. We don't want Palin in DC, but honestly, we don't want her back in Alaska either.

Please realize that she is dishonest, arrogant, and absolutely not capable of holding such an important office.

The only reason she is our governor is because Frank Murkowski was so easy to beat. She was not voted in based on her skills - she was voted in because, at the time, she appeared to be the lesser of two evils. Alaskans made a big mistake...

Posted by: jnuigloo | October 4, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Why vote for Obama?

I'll be (relatively) brief, just for the novelty and go with 3 simple things, where I believe he differs greatly from McCain.

Obama will help most of us, the middle class, and the poor, continue to better our lots and our futures. In Illinois, for example, he did that by working with Democrats and Republicans on the state EIC which gave over one hundred million dollars in tax cuts to families. Obama plans to cut taxes for MOST of America (and raise them for himself and other, richer Americans) and, perhaps even better in the long run, simplify the paperwork of taxes.

His first law, the Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act, was passed with Tom Coburn, a Republican. It gave us http://www.usaspending.gov/ and THAT gives me a lot of faith in his transparency promises. He's keeping them even BEFORE he made them.

He plans to create millions of new green jobs, which can - in time - solve two problems: our dependence on oil and the unemployment rate. He even has a plan for creating the job training programs that will be needed for those jobs.

Ok, 4 things. Everything he plans to do is online (again the transparency) - http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf - everything, in 33 pages. I find that refreshing, that I can sit and read this at my leisure, not get it in soundbites from TV. McCain has one, too - http://www.johnmccain.com/downloads/mccainnation_brochure.pdf - one page, not terribly informative, but an effort.

Posted by: AnnaLovesBooks | October 4, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

It is inappropriate to wink and flirt at a job interview, but this isn’t a normal job. This is more like the co-starring role in a huge blockbuster movie. Sarah Palin is the starlet who is desperately selling herself on America’s casting couch because she doesn’t know the script.

Posted by: Rudy | October 4, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

I tht palin wuz wunderfull she is just like me so smart and kute tu she will be graitest VP ever go mkainpalin!

Posted by: lydgate | October 4, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

I am scare of some of the Washington Post readers. They are quick to shoot down Palin's for her performance during the debates, but are somehow fine with Obama's style. He is always evasive and never clear when asked questions, not to mention rambling. I could never figure out what he wants to do with this country except that he wants a "change", but he has never explicitly specified what this change is going to be. I can't help but see Obama's campaign as nothing but empty words. Even Biden's more qualified to be the president. Obama supporters scare me.

Posted by: Parkington | October 4, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

One thing I found exceptionally annoying during the VP debate was Palin's lack of respect for Biden. talking down to him and occasionally treating him with an and unfounded noblesse oblige.

She acts more than a hockey player than a hockey mom. Her repetitive use of cliches and continuous referring to herself and McCain as mavericks reached laughable point. If I was a palin supporter I would have been embarrassed by the evident attempt at rubbing elbows with the middle and working class and trying constantly to establish collective rapport.

"I'm one of you! I'm just like you!" she kept pushing on the viewers/listeners.

One oddity was her more than once chiding Biden for bringing up the past, and then bringing up the past by reminding people about how McCain many times shown he was a maverick.

She is clever enough to bamboozle some American voters who don't want to dig too deep or are satisfied with style, as opposed to substance, but rest assured of starts this stuff with foreign top level officials they will probably stare at her open mouthed and diplomatically send her packing.

I repeat, I am not a particularly ardent Obama fan, but this woman has aimed too high; way too high....and constantly talking down to opponents, the media and people in general "as if" she up on high might work in the short term, but in the long run she will get seen for what she; a funny and nice mom, although I am not any longer even so sure her kids are all that excited every time she shows up for a motherly pep talk.

But let's give her the benefit of the doubt on that one. After all, it's just a game. Hockey, I mean...

Posted by: Ronn | October 4, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Paling Palin

One thing I found exceptionally annoying during the VP debate was Palin's lack of respect for Biden. talking down to him and occasionally treating him with unfounded noblesse oblige.

She acts more like a hockey player than a hockey mom. Her repetitive use of cliches and continuous referring to herself and McCain as mavericks reached laughable point. If I was a Palin supporter I would have been embarrassed by the evident attempt at rubbing elbows with the middle and working class and trying constantly to establish collective rapport.

"I'm one of you! I'm just like you!" she kept pushing on the viewers/listeners.

One oddity was her more than once chiding Biden for bringing up the past, and then bringing up the past by reminding people about how McCain has so many times shown he was a maverick.

She is clever enough to bamboozle some American voters who don't want to dig too deep or are satisfied with style, as opposed to substance, but rest assured if starts this stuff with foreign top level officials they will probably stare at her open mouthed and diplomatically send her packing.

I repeat, I am not a particularly ardent Obama fan, but this woman has aimed too high; way too high....and constantly talking down to opponents, the media and people in general "as if" she's up on high might work in the short term, but in the long run she will get seen for what she is; a funny and nice mom, although I am not any longer even so sure her kids are all that excited every time she shows up for a motherly pep talk.

But let's give her the benefit of the doubt on that one. After all, it's just a game. Hockey, I mean...

Posted by: Ronn | October 4, 2008 4:54 AM | Report abuse

GFoce you say

NO SOCIALISM
NO TAXES

Please...put that as a big sign and hang it around your neck in front of a polling station. It will help get Obama more votes seeing the idiocy of the opponent.

BTW most of Europe are our allies, do you know how many of the European countries have Socialist governments or coalitions in power? If you want to break ties with them you better get ready for an even more isolated USA.

Europe has found an interesting, middle way that manages to eliminate extreme poverty, create a society where all individuals are guaranteed health care and where the crime rate is substantially lower than ours. Every citizen is guaranteed a minimum level of life which means enough for food, clothing and shelter, and again, including free medical care.

It is time we stop burying our heads in the sand and start re-evaluating exactly what words and phrases and labels actually mean and stand for.

Spend a year or two in just about any Western European city and you may likely begin to see the benefits of paying a little more in taxes. And partial social welfare states are not run by commies. Those guys are hiding under YOUR bed....

Posted by: Anonymous | October 4, 2008 5:22 AM | Report abuse

Joe Sexpack really likes this woman.

Posted by: frodot | October 4, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

ET wrote:

Since when do we not want a candidate for President just becuase s/he has kids?? Have we ever had a problem with a man being President becuase he had kids? Go PALIN!

--------

I don't have any problem with Palin having kids. She could have 20 kids for all that it matters to the nation and the world. That's her business.

The real problem is that Palin is simply and utterly out of her league and unqualified to be vice president. She is not familiar with any national or international issues at even the simplest level and shows no real interest in learning about them. Even if she did, it is too late to learn now -- there is too much ground to cover. She could be president by the afternoon of day one, just like any other vice president. She is not qualified for the job.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | October 4, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

If I hear the word maverick one more time...

Posted by: bambam | October 4, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Palin is a blithering idiot and, if you can't see that, you probably think Bush has done a good job despite the facts hitting you in your face. If Palin is VP, I'm moving to the Bahamas.

Posted by: um,really?you're serious? | October 4, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Biden completely destroyed Palin in this debate.

He was clear, concise, and answered all of his questions with an air of sophistication. His erudition and experience as an elder statesman shone through, because he knew his stuff and always had examples to support his statements. He also did a terrific job underscoring the reasons why McCain is not a maverick and the ways in which Obama will help the middle class.

All Palin had was a bunch of hilariously phony "folksy" speak and a billion references to Alaska and being a "maverick". If she didn't understand the moderator's questions, she just went back to her "energy" notes. She was incredibly condescending, I thought, for someone who spent the entire thing talking in circles.

I hope the American people are smart enough to see her for the cheap Barbie doll knockoff she is, and to give Biden the respect he deserves for his wonderful skills as a politician and an orator.

Posted by: Littlebitz | October 4, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Palin proved the point that she is a pitbull with lipstick. Apparently, she and McCain have launched a full-court press on character assassination of Obama. It is too bad that they have no programs to offer. However, these "bipartisans" are showing how bipartisanship should work. I say, "Thanks but no thanks." Obama knows what bipatisanship looks like and he speaks it from his heart.

To accuse Obama for not supporting Congressional Repubicans as a proof of his bipartisanship is asinine. The few bills where Obama linked up with Repubicans seem to be the exact ones that the McCain campaign is using. Remember, McCain proudly supported Bush 90% of the time.

Posted by: EarlC | October 4, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse


From:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-sixpacks-hockey-mom.html

Saturday, October 04, 2008
Joe Sixpack's Hockey Mom

I'm so sorry about Joey.

I don't know when it was that he started hittin' the six-packs. There we were, drivin' him to hockey practice, cheerin' him on. "Go, Joe, Go"!

Then we started findin' the tabs.

Oh, first it would be, y'know, we'd be sittin' on the sofa, and feel somethin' pokin' up, and we'd pull it out, and it would be a six-pack tab. Sure, you don't worry too much, someone drinkin' a six-pack every once in a while, not much to do, it's cold up here, y'know.

But then we started findin' the plastic can holders. Underneath the mattress. In the trophy room, up behind the cases. Piles of them in Joey's closet. "They're just puck holders, Mom!", he'd say. But I know better. I'm a hockey mom.

Now I've been drivin' Joey to hockey practice for years. And like any good Sixpack mom, like all the Sixpack's before me, I knew that I'd have to watch out for this. I'd heard the stories from Joey's grandpa. Wooden beer cases used to heat the house for the whole winter. The whole family outfitted with the barrels that Joey's great-grandfather used to drink up.

But not my Joey. Not my Joey Sixpack.

(tears up).

I try to be a good hockey mom! I warm up Joey's uniform in the oven each mornin' before practice, I keep his skates sharp and shiny, if there's any splinters on his stick, I make sure to get 'em off.

But what can I do? His father tries to discipline him, points out the window and says "If you don't stop, we'll have to send you to Russia, you can see it right from our house!"

But he just says "They drink six packs and play hockey there, too, Ma".

Sarah, she thinks it's so easy to talk about bein' a hockey mom, like it's all lipstick and drivin', beauty pageants and castin' the devil out. But it's not so easy for everybody. For lots of hockey moms and Joe Sixpacks, it's hard. Boy, when I look at Joey knockin' back another one of those six packs, I think, "She sure don't speak for me." Y'know, I heard her in the debate--the one before this one--she don't even really talk like that!

Thing is, she just talks about Joe Sixpack. She isn't actually one herself.

But I am. And I'm here with Joey. And his dad. It's time for practice again. And I need some help--just a decent hand, not just some words--like they understand. They're already busy shoutin' about somethin' else now.

Once a Sixpack, always a Sixpack, I guess. That's what they always say.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-sixpacks-hockey-mom.html

Posted by: Jana Walter | October 4, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Ted, I listed 8 reasons why I am voting for Obama, and none were good enough for you. Perhaps your mind is CLOSED?

Posted by: Bud | October 4, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Fankly, I don't consider "not making an a#$ of yourself" a good showing. I do not want this "empty shell" of a woman in charge of anything that matters to me....period.

Posted by: natnicnic | October 4, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Was Palin on drugs during the "debate"? Her mouth never stopped moving, even when you could neither hear nor understand WTF she was talking about! This chick with her winking, and grinning, and laughing about the serious issues of war and peace, foreign policy and the current economic situation in our country, belongs in an apron, working in a diner up in Alaska - not in the White House as Veep.
This is a bad dream from which I hope to wake up soon-No how, no way did she win anything, except for exciting a few old men who imagined they were in bed with her or something!!

Posted by: Proud Liberal | October 4, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Blah blah blah Palin blah brilliant. Blah bl-no, seriously. Seriously!

Guys?

Blah blah...?

Posted by: Hoosier | October 4, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Tina Fey delivered ANOTHER spot on impression of Palin tonight!

WOW!
Another loss for the McCain/Palin ticket tonight.

Maybe it's a shame that many voters get the majority of their political info from pop culture such as SNL.

But after watching the pundits let Palin off the hook for her ridiculous performance in the VP debate where she lost and lost big, I'm actually thankful we have SNL to call out the obvious 'take aways' from the VP debate that the so called analysts missed on CNN and FOX "News".

Palin could not answer the questions that were asked of her. She regurgitated memorized talking points and spewed catch phrase after catch phrase while transparently trying to connect to average Americans with her corny folksiness. She was more UNpresidentail than any VP candidate in history... including Dan Quayle!

Thank God SNL pointed this out. Thank God for Tina Fey!

Posted by: Palin's not qualified, ADMIT it already! | October 5, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Let’s be clear. Can any Republic or Voting American sit back and reflected on why they would vote for John McCain, Sarah Palin and the Republican Party. There is not ONE remarkable point.

What he has more experience, what kind of experience is that? One of age, life, being a POW, a U.S. Senator. Just because one has those experiences doesn't mean that he or she is able to make good choices. Look at the choices McCain has made through out this life. Would anyone consider them to be GOOD CHOICES. I DON'T THINK SO... He has a pattern of making bad choices... From the spring of his youth to that of a man in the winter of his life. He was an elite Navy Brat, sowed his oats, got past college. Regretfully had a horrible experience as a POW (but he was not the only one, my Gunny did more time and had worse experience then McCain). Returns back home divorces his first wife and plays around, before that is even resolved. Gets involved with Keating. Has other questionable political relationships... Selects a VP nominee, who is shallow and has no conceptual or mental grasp of the world around her and you can reflect on his choices over the past 6 weeks - can we say erradict.

Two do you think John McCain or the Republicans can real help out the American people. I DON'T THINK SO... McCain in all case since being in Congress has never stood for the American people. He has stood for the Corporations. Just to help out some of you who need to clear your thoughts. Society will only progress when there is distribution of wealth. Wealth is not distributed if you do not support raising minimum wage. Wealth is not distributed if you do not support the advancement of women in the work place. Society does not progress if you do not support the rights of families.

Three is there something else that McCain and the Republican can do better? Like win the WAR IN IRAQ. He wants VICTORY and so does Palin. What a bunch of BS. Let be honest. No civilized country since the Second World War has ever claimed victory in a major war. We didn't in Korea, we didn't in Vietnam. Don't use Desert Storm as a Victory, Oh by the way those former mention where conflicts. WAR ARE NOT WON IN TODAYS TIMES... People just get killed, injured, family, children, town, villages get destroyed. Is that the AMERICA WE WANT TO SHARE. Don't tell me about raising a WHITE FLAG, ask the mother and father about their sons and daugther who are not here with us, what about the innocent Iraqi people (we as AMERICAN have supported) that have been kill. I am an ex recon Marien. Do tell me about a White Flag (she does understand, that ours is not to reason why but to due or die - Well know ours is to reason why before we due or die).

YES GO ON TELL ME HOW JOHN MCCAIN, SARAH PALIN AND THE REPULICAN PARTY ARE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER.

YOU CAN'T

OBAMA/BIDEN is our best choice. At least they are men of reflection, compassion and understand that America has tough challenges to overcome. The other 2 knuckleheads are out of touch and don't get it.

Vote you’re conscious if you got one.

Posted by: Jose from the Midwest | October 5, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

The same Mary Ann Akers railed against Hillary at every turn. And now she hates Palin! Does she hate herself being born a woman? Has her favorite Obama ever had any job which demanded responsibility? Does he have any achievements, small or big? Compare that with Palin who is a highly successful Governor with an 80% approval rating. And Mary Ann Akers has the gall to say Palin is a moron. Obviously what Akers and the rest of the left liberal journos think is irrelevant to ordinary working class Americans. It is they who Palin represents. It is they whose acclaim ultimately matters.

Posted by: Espi | October 5, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Do you want to elect someone worse than Bush? Elect McCain! In 2000 primaries Republicans preferred Bush because they considered McCain worse! Does McGain expect that Republications will now vote for him, who had been rejected in favour of Bush?

Posted by: Subramanian Venkatraman | October 5, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

www.parcadunyasi.net turkcell parca kontor www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net ucuz parca kontor www.parcadunyasi.net ucuz parça kontör www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör
www.parcadunyasi.net vodafone parça kontör www.parcadunyasi.net parça kontor www.parcadunyasi.net parça kontor www.parcadunyasi.net parça kontor yükle www.parcadunyasi.net kontör yükle www.parcadunyasi.net kontör yükle www.parcadunyasi.net kontör yükle www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör
www.parcadunyasi.net hizli kontör www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net
www.parcadunyasi.net avea parca kontör www.parcadunyasi.net toptan kontor www.parcadunyasi.net

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 4:20 AM | Report abuse

www.parcadunyasi.net turkcell parca kontor www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net ucuz parca kontor www.parcadunyasi.net ucuz parça kontör www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör
www.parcadunyasi.net vodafone parça kontör www.parcadunyasi.net parça kontor www.parcadunyasi.net parça kontor www.parcadunyasi.net parça kontor yükle www.parcadunyasi.net kontör yükle www.parcadunyasi.net kontör yükle www.parcadunyasi.net kontör yükle www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör
www.parcadunyasi.net hizli kontör www.parcadunyasi.net hızlı kontör www.parcadunyasi.net www.parcadunyasi.net
www.parcadunyasi.net avea parca kontör www.parcadunyasi.net toptan kontor www.parcadunyasi.net

Posted by: parca kontor | October 5, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Now Palin has said Obama associates with terrorists because:

Obama worked in some capacity with someone who was a Weatherman....

When Obama was EIGHT YEARS OLD.

I see.

Now Palin should rmember what she tried to chide Biden about:

"here you go agin bringing up the past"

I guess Democrats can not speak about the real past, things that actually are true, but;

republicans can speak about fictitious pasts, things that actually never happened.....

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"by golly gee(wink-wink)I'm a completely empty shallow person that in no way has what it takes to be Vice president, but I can play one on TV with memorized lines and talking points golly gee you betcha(wink-wink)"

What a joke!

Posted by: average joe | October 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Have the people on the east and west coast all turned into socialist? This debate was definitely Palin's win but the media just won't acknowledge this as they are too liberal.

Do you really know Obama, you liberals? Did you know that his mentor was the late communist Frank Marshall Davis whom Obama wrote about being his advisor in his book Dreams From My Fathers? Are you ready to give up democracy? If so, speak to some of the people who defected from one of the communist countries. I have a neighbor who did and the stories are horrible. She and her family lost their business and large home because the communist came in told them to get out in 24 hours. You want that?

Posted by: I love this country | October 5, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I am thinking it's time to take a different tact when debating about these debates. Here's a unique viewpoint that's worth a look. See

http://writingfrontier.com/2008/10/04/thats-not-debatable/

Posted by: Writing Frontier | October 5, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I love this country: Did you know that his mentor was the late communist Frank Marshall Davis whom Obama wrote about being his advisor in his book Dreams From My Fathers?

Yes, we're aware that Obama, between the age of 10 and the age of 18, met Frank as a friend of his grandfather and, as young men without fathers will do, latched onto the man, who was - by then - essentially just a poet; circa the 1970s.

Did you know that Palin and her husband belonged to a group, the Alaskan Independence Party, that wants Alaska to secede from the very country she would now like to help run, circa the 1990s?

Palin and her supporters have to decide if history is relevant ("There you go again, pointing backwards again"). Then they have to convince people that what happened 35+ years ago is somehow more important than what happened in the last decade.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

A women who's husband wanted Alaska to break away from the rest of the US makes me seriously concerned about Sarah Palin and our personal freedoms. In Alaska, Palin tried to force creationism into public schools (failed). As a Mayor she tried to force censorship on the local library (failed) and then tried to fire the librarian who resisted (failed). As a Governor, Palin invited the Alaska Legislature to place an abortion bill on her desk completely prohibiting abortions including cases of rape and incest. As Governor she now faces a consitutional crisis over Troopergate in Alaska, where it is alleged that she has already abused her power as she ignores subponea. Now Palin says she admires *** Cheney and wants to expand the powers of the Vice President. Palin is far more dangerous to our constitutional rights as women and as american than some worn out protestor. She misquoted Albright and has the nerve to say, I didnt say it...well Palin whats your point are you for women going to hell if they dont "support" instead of "help women or not? You did not take a position..Duh!!! And why is the media not addressing that statement.

Posted by: Deni | October 5, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

OK...Palin is a respectable mother...but that's about it. She is not prepared to take on a leadership role in this country. It's amazing she was even elected in Alaska. Another thing, calling the debate Palin's win is crazy...just because she didn't fall on her face doesn't mean she wins.

Posted by: Amanda | October 5, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe people are still taking John McCain seriously after his choice of Palin as running mate. Charles Rangel got it right the first time, before his retraction... Sarah Palin is so brain damaged and stupid that she shouldn't even have been in the debate in the first place.

She belongs in the Special Olympics, not on a Vice Presidential debate...

Posted by: Hsing Lee | October 5, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

How could anyone seriously watch this debate and not see that Joe Biden had a total command of the subject matter and was 'presidential' and that Sarah Palin, ignoring answering any question with substance, was all posturing and prepared speeches.

Didn't anybody notice that Palin didn't even deviate from her script enough to make a personal comment after Biden spoke about the death of his wife and child, instead launching into another chipper 'maverick' message?

Surely, George Will isn't the only Republican with half a brain who can see that America can't be so clueless, as to put this woman on the brink of the presidency? Are we through the looking glass?

It was as if SNL scripted the debate for real.

As for a proposed Palin-McCain administration (positioning intentional), at least they think in lockstep.

Both Palin and McCain think victims of rape should pay for their own exams.

For the political ad on the subject, and the story, with links to let you see the facts for yourself...

http://scootmandubious.blogspot.com/2008/10/palin-mccain-believe-rape-victims.html

Posted by: scootmandubious | October 5, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats Have No One to Save Them Except the Ignorant.

THE TRUTH NEEDS TO BE REPEATED SINCE THE MEDIA IS IN BED SLEEPING WITH OBAMA AND DOESN'T HAVE TIME FOR THE REAL NEWS OR TRUTH.
DEMOCRATS- 99% RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ECONOMIC NIGHTMARE.

1) Blocked ALL efforts by Republicans in a 2005 congressional committee to NOT accept this bad loans. They turned the Federal Mortgage program into a welfare program for profit and liberalism and left All Americans holding the bag(a 700billion dollar bag). The laws of economics trumps liberalism every time.

2)Blocked ALL new practical sources of domestic energy driving up the costs of EVERYTHING, causing businesses to contract(lay off people} and helping push these tenuous loans over the cliff,

Barney Frank- YOUR FIRED
Christoper Dodd - YOUR FIRED
Charles Schumer- YOUR FIRED
Nancy Pelosi- YOUR FIRED
Baracke Obama -YOUR A LIAR, YOUR FIRED
Democrats- YOUR FIRED

Where the hell are news media in bed with Obama? You could roll out of bed long enough to report some truth once in a while. Yes, YOUR FIRED TOO!


Watch the CSPAN rebroadcast on You Tube video and watch the OVERSIGHT DEMOCRATS fail the people. Yes for years Democrats ENCOURAGED THESE BAD LOANS and accused institutions of RED LINING. Yes watch the pathetic Democrats that turned and economic program into a welfare program that caused this fiasco.
You Tube,"Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis".

Posted by: Mikd | October 5, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden are statesman, concerned for the next generations. McCain and Palin are politicians, concerned only about the next election, and aggrandizing their own careers and ambitions.

McCain is a doddering old man, unnerved by an African American asking for change. His physical health is tenuous, but, if you watch him enough, you see that his mental health is already visibly deteriorating. He was once more moderate and reasonable than this campaign makes him seem, and his time came and went awhile ago, before he was corrupted and compromised by his own ambition.

If McCain and Palin win this election, I will rejoice for the satirists. The rest of us, however, will be screwed. As we have since Bush took office, we will get exactly what our leaders deserve.

Posted by: mikemcmo | October 6, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse


Let us assume that McMoose makes it to the White House, and becomes McErratic's VEEP.

You imagine her holding talks with Putin? Or Japan's Prime Minister? or China's, or just any head of state for that matter?

Or having easy access to the highest resposabilities and taking important decisions: peace or war, nuclear strikes or not, preemptive war or not, what to do do in Iraq and how, same with Afghanistan.....etc...

Real scary when you think about it for a while.

Posted by: bekabo | October 6, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Damn I love this country..

Posted by: WOW | October 6, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

After the Vice-Presidential debate I noticed an uptick in heated rhetoric from the right. These took the form of personal assaults on both Mr.Obama and Mr. Biden.

Then I remembered, when republicans become fearful they cling to their candidates like guns and religion.

Because their plans don't fit and, their candidates don't fit the mood of the country or the problems we face, republicans will this week and, up till the election, engage in the age old tactic of smearing the other guy.

Wow, that is a truly wonderful way to approach problem solving of a nation nature, just behave like a petulant teenager.

Posted by: Thatsnuts | October 6, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

..The huge segment of our society are not hockey moms...its working moms this notion of "hockey moms" is ridiculious.....

What about stay at home moms, single moms....give the "hockey" crapola a rest 99% of this nation are NOT hockey moms.......

But peeeuuu Palin is a personification of what a great comic once said.......and still does

"Get lost 'ya hockey puck..."

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 6, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

"As a republican, I was seriously considering jumping ship to the Obama/Biden camp. However, one sentiment expressed by Biden last night changed my view. How in the heck can Biden declare that he and Obama will grant rights to same-sex couples when the vast, vast majority of states are against it? Obviously, the Obama/Biden camp desires to push a socially liberal agenda should they make it to the White House. Despite what some movie stars may publicly say, the VAST majority of people in the U.S. wish that marriage stay the same as God intended it to be..... between a MAN and WOMAN!!!!! Like it or not, you people who think that homosexuality is okay are in the minority, and will, prayerfully, stay in the minority.

Posted by: Dianna | October 3, 2008 2:18 PM"

----------
This is why our country is so screwed up! DINGBATS like you make me PUKE! You're living in the wrong country and the wrong dimension Dianna. Where do you live? Hollywood, CA or some other ritzy place? Because you sure are screwed up on the important issues. So, because the democrats sympathize with race and gender issues... you want 4 more years of lunacy in the White House. GET OUT of my country... cause you are NOT wanted anymore!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

This woman is a joke.
It's sad that the bar was set so low for her. She didn't answer a single question and spoke nonsense.
She is an insult to intelligent women everywhere.
Palin, sit down.

Posted by: Jezebel | October 6, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse


ALASKA, you're missing your village idiot!

PALIN, you should be grateful that "stupidity isn't painful!"

McCain, intellectual pygmy, mental midget!

Posted by: JOHN BLACKBURN | October 6, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Palin did everything but take the Fifth Amendment to avoid answering the questions which were asked of her. What would she have done if she had been asked some hard questions?

Posted by: Robert Castle | October 6, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Whoever said that Palin lacks seriousness hit the nail on the head. She now says "the heels are on and the gloves are off." This smacks of a high school gang threat, or a game of darts that you're about to play...not the serious issue of the quality of life for millions of Americans. Ger her out of here!

Posted by: joe turner | October 6, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS A LAW DEGREE FROM HARWARD UNIVERSITY.. . YOU CANNOT BE A DUMMY AND DO THAT.

PALIN IS A 'HOCKEY MOM'. I'D PICK HER FOR CHEERLEADER AND STOP THERE.

Posted by: RON FRITZINGER | October 6, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

If she were held to the same standard as Biden she would have overwhelmingly been viewed as a loser. But she needed, pleaded for and recieved training wheels for the debate. AlsThat said, if Gwen Ifil had done her job, that would have been most apparent anyway.

Posted by: Soonerthought.blogspot.com | October 6, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Palin thinks folksy shtick works. Well maybe to mom and pop sixpack. However where she will be if elected, the international scene. Folksy shtick will not help her one bit. Can you imagine her speaking to a foreign leader saying " Ya know, I really think we need to bomb Iran, dontcha think?

Posted by: Ken | October 6, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Palin can memorize a speech and made no serious blunders but she ducked questions and rambled on with incoherant illogical answers. Her comment about expanding the power of the VP (defying the constitution) gave me the shakes! Biden gave thoughtful answers but was once again ignored. Why are so many impressed by such low standards??? We need intelligent, well reasoned leaders to run our country not "average joes" or "hockey moms" memorizing catch phrases.

Posted by: useyourbrain94 | October 6, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Governor Palin has as much more experience in my opinion than Obama does.
Trustworthy? Yes, She is!
As far as health goes, Obama's Moma died at an early age.
McCain's Mama is still living at over 90 years old.
HOW ABOUT THAT OBAMA?

Obama is a good actor and has been an attorney. That is why I cannot figure out that he thinks we are so dumb.
We know he was 8 years old when the terrorist friend did his do.

Obama was not 8 years old, but a grown man entering into politics. That is when he started to socialize with Ayers and Keating to my understanding.

We do not for the least, forget 20 years of racist hate with Rev. Wrong. In my opinion not a reverend but a hate instigator.

Posted by: sinceretexan | October 6, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't ever want to see another politician WINK at me. As if to say "Now don't you worry yer lil' head."

I'm a f***ing taxpayer with a conscience and an intellect, and I own the right to vote your bulls**t backwoods ignorance and your cock-eyed religiosity back to the stone age, you cheeky trollop.

Don't you dare to presume that I'm going to forget who is responsible for the last eight years.

Wink at me again.

Posted by: poortrekker | October 6, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Do we really need so many comments just to say Palin is an Idiot?

Posted by: harriet Grenwood | October 6, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Ive noticed that a lot of these posts say the same thing over and over again. There must be a lot of Faux Noise watchers here. That is the only reason they keep rehashing discrdedited drivel.Obama was 8 years old when Ayers did his thing. Resko is going to jail, and Obama is not connected to him. he is not a Muslim (even though that doesn't mean you are a terrorist),ACORN, on and on.....Instead of attacking the man, attack his plans if you can.McCains claim to fame is that he got shot down, so getting shot down is a prerequisite to becoming CIC (commander in Chief).He has been against most regulation before he was for it. He has more skeletons in his closet than Obama has. Palin needs to shut her piehole, there are more "Youtube" moments than I think she needs aired. McCain can't argue the substance of Obama, McCain doesn't have any.

Posted by: ThrillainWasilla | October 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

It is over for McCain and Palin.

Barack Obama and Joe Biden are on their way to the White House without doubt.

Posted by: Kimmo | October 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

And Obama is Presidential Nominee by affirmative action.

Posted by: google | October 6, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, now we know who Palin's audience is. All the positive reactions to her speech were written by apparent illiterates.
Perhaps to them, her sentences-to-nowhere make sense,
because that's how they talk. Apparently, an illiterate can believe
a loop-de-loop syntax actually means something if it's larded
with enough folksy platitudes and girlish winks. Palin uses her succubus personality to sell George Bush talking points, and because it's coming from a woman, it seems new. But it's not.

Posted by: susan 7214 | October 6, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Sara Palin is actually better than any of the candidates. She has a track record and a good one.
Now let's move on to something IMPORTANT, that everyone is concerned about. And since Akers is busy in bed with Obama, I'll ask the questions.


IT'S Q&A TIME

Who drove up ALL costs by blocking all knew practical domestic energy hurting everyone who had a job and paid for gas especially the little guy?
DEMOCRATS

Who controlled Fannie May and Freddie Mac and ENCOURAGED and GUARANTEED sub prime loans leaving ALL Americans "on the hook" for the tab?
DEMOCRATS

Who blocked all reforms to Fannie May and Freddie Mac and said it was in good shape?
DEMOCRATS

What empty suit is waiting in the wings to do more Democrat damage by taxing the crapola out of businesses and capital gains again further hurting not only the businesses but everyone else who has a job at these businesses or who has any saving plan for education or retirement?
Obama

Obama- shady friends, NO experience, NO mayor, NO governor, NO business, NO military, NO OBAMA

Obama the simple minded candidate for the simple minded those that like a smile and platitudes

Posted by: Mike | October 6, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with everybody!
p.s. Keep up the spelling corrections.

Posted by: Jake | October 6, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Palin has the nerve to talk about Obama - when she infact is one step away from being a felon. Troopergate, tax evasion, witchcraft. This is the best John McCain could do????

Posted by: hottopics | October 6, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The title should have been "Pain serves herself by promoting herself" If Senator McCain does get elected I would hire a taste tester

Posted by: geek | October 6, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Palin saved herself when she did not answer the questions, but read the information that she had been brieved on. She should go on Face The Nation and sit there and answer the tough questions about foreign affairs, the economy, health care, the war, and other issues. Face it people we're in a tough spot here in American and we just can't leave the White House door open to just anyone. We need a strong leader with ideas to get us out of this financial mess, and other seriuos issues. We are strong, smart, and worthy of the challenges that we have ahead of us, let's not mess the presidential election up with a no namer (i.e. Palin), that don't know anything about the seroius issues.

Posted by: James | October 6, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

From "Fact of The
Matter"


See the full KEATING ECONOICS DOCUMENTARY AT http://www.need4trth.blogspot.com

Tonight marks a sad moment in American politics. The McCain Campaign has decided to attack the character of 'Senator Obama, to distract us from the fact that today THE DOW JONES DROPPED BELOW 10,OOO. The reason McCain's camp wants to distract us is, because they are CLUELESS, on what to do about the ECONOMY, needed TAXATION, ending a 7 YEAR WAR and OCCUPATION,which by the way was an egregious, extraordinary glaringly blatant MISTAKE, where lives have been lost and continue to be lost, FIGHTING THE WRONG WAR. McCain having publicly blundered and proved himself a liar when it came down to bringing not both sides of the aisles together but just a certain fringe in his very own party in to agreement. Most notably McCain/Palin/and the RNC are beginning to sense America rise above the lies and the smears and a sleeping stupor, and begin to put their eyes on the Real Man of Integrity and Character and Truth. The REAL "Man In The Arena" Senator Barack Obama, whom we see as MORE CAPABLE AND READY TO LEAD than an erratic confused, name calling, angry, ill tempered, untreated PTSD sufferer of delusions of FALSEHOODS THAT he thinks can win an election. McCain is in fact saying, "I'll call him a Terrorist and Lie that he is somehow involved with Osama Bin Laden, if it wins me the White house."


It is the beginning of the negative campaigning (round 3) for the McCain Campaign and perhaps (round TRUTHS you didn't know about John Sydney McCain)from the Obama Campaign. John McCain said today at a rally, "I don't need to take lessons of truthfulness from a Chicago politician." The old guilt by association tactic. IT WON'T WORK THIS TIME. You see, when you are a PATHLOGICAL LIAR, YOU LIVE IN A LIE AD BELIEVE IT'S THE TRUTH.

Creating doubt and questions which actually have no REAL vallidity, because they are just questions to confuse the populace, throw them off track to what's really at stake, As Senator Obama has said, "these are distractions, SILLI SEASON in Washington," with a vile motive to attack with non-issues to distract from real issues.

We the American populace have heard the "War Hero" story. We've heard about the White hat wearing, Sheriffs Badge Bran danging, Riding in on 'Ole Silver, Boots, Belt Bridle and Fake Reagan imitation of calm, Maverick Story about John McCain. The The Corporate Media has almost totally protected and covered and recreated John McCain as Something he never was. REAL. So now that the red phone moment occurred here at home and McCain knew not what to do...The Corporate Medias Facade of the Maverick has as Peter Murphy said in the song "Your Eyes", "The grand facade so soon did burn" After the smoke is clearing we Now see the REAL McCain.....READY TO FALL APART AT THE SEEMS.

HOW DOES MCCAIN TRY TO RECOVER? HE SAYS, LET'S TURN THE PAGE.......


FORGET ABOUT THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY THE WAR AND OCCUPATION OUR COMMITTING YOUR SON'S AND DAUGHTERS TO A MISTAKE, MY INVOLVEMENT IN TE DEREGULATIONS THAT NEARLY RUINED OUR BANKING SYSTEMS AND LET'S LOOK AT THIS PROPAGANDA AD...

Posted by: need4trth | October 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

A beauty queen appeared for the speech category of her contest, her adoring audience anxiously waiting. Her winks and winces, without blinking, seductively transfixed the men, while her homey phrases about Joesixpack relayed her averageness. Yet, with all of this appeal, it was her knowledge, both with relevance and depth, persuaded everyone that she could almost answer her own questions.
We cannot elect a man who has selected such a poor example of a VP candidate.

Posted by: David | October 6, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a neophyte who has no interest in policy or government.
She has had 5-6 weeks to prepare herself and still cannot answer a question--simple or difficult. The only thing I have seen of her is she has no difficuly or qualms lying, smearing, mocking or denegrating another human being. She did it in Alaska and she is doing it here. She failed to answer questions during the first three interviews and refused or ducked answering the questions during the debate. I thought it disrespectful of her to ignore the rules and just go off on tangents. How people can say she was brillant or did very well is beyond me. What is so great about a person who can't stick to a subject but will joke about something as serious as the debate. I watched her as she winked, flirted with the camera and was so flippant. Brilliant, No--sad, yes, and a disappointment to most women who expected more of her.

Posted by: Ann Marie | October 7, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

How long I have been waiting to suggest that Sarah Palin is opportunistic in the most detrimental way for her and her family. She has little regard for principals or, the consequences of exploiting every opportunity for a "light" shine on her.

Sarah Palin is not going to be the next Vice-President of this country. So there's nothing to loose in not allowing her to do media interviews. Go ahead, let her promulgate lies upon an American Senator, (it won't be blamed on McCain. McCain will return to the senate and Palin will take her ruined "brand" and return to Alaska).

There is nothing classy, certainly nothing of national leadership quality, to be found in the person of Gov. Palin. My God! What was that winking and blinking about during the VP debate?

This is so sad. The Republican party takes it's first female VP candidate and puts her out there like a dog. "Pitbull with lipstick." Republican women ought to be repulsed with the way McCain is using this simple minded woman who will do and say anything if it means she is "front and center" stage.

To turn their back on the issues of the economy is a loosing proposition for any campaign during this economic down turn. It is erratic and it is foolishness to be the party to create such a distraction and believe the distraction will be more appealing to the populus than ideas and decisions related to the economy and jobs in this country.

McCain/Palin have decided to fight as they go down. McCain is willing to loose at all costs. We know he's a gambling man, too bad Palin is too blinded by the glitter of the stage to have sense enough to say, "No thank you Senator McCain.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | October 7, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

She memorized talking points and only mangled them some of the time, while 'not answering the questions the moderator wanted her to'.

Yeah. This is now our standard? Think this woman should have the 'nucular' codes? Please. She's a joke.

Posted by: rosemary | October 7, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

DO NOT WORRY THAT PALIN HAS MADE MISTAKES. SHE IS ON A MISSION FROM GOD, AND WILL BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.

Posted by: Samanatha | October 7, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me an Englishman intruding in your internal affairs.Please accept me as a critical, very interested, friend.The real issue is what other mature democracy would have Biden and/or Palin as candidates for such important posts? Neither justifies you taking them seriously and the most worrying aspect,your Presidential candidates chose them, DOH.You have real problems in your body politic.

Posted by: Bob | October 7, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

What is happening with McCain? Sarah Palin, really! Come on folks, we are talking about the President and VP of the United States. If John McCain himself hasn't convinced you that he is not suitable to run this country, his judgement on picking Miss. Didzy to run with him should. Just when we think it can't get worse, here comes McCain and Palin. How stupid do they take us for. We know that the President's job is not a joke. Encouraging people to fear or hate Obama is not an American thing to do. This team is hoping to win by making our nation fearful. Well I say, we are Americans, we are strong and fearless. We need leadership that brings us together. So, I think Palin and McCain have insulted us for too long. We are smart enough to see through their BS.

Posted by: Debbie N. | October 7, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Palin's attacks on Obama's so-called "relationship" with former Weatherman member, Bill Ayers, a "domestic terrorist", who never killed anyone and who was never convicted of anything and whose actions took place when Obama was 8 years old, have verged on racist as she claims that Obama "doesn't see America as you and I do".

At a rally yesterday, a crowd member screamed, "Kill Him" as Sarah laughed and cheered with the crowd.

A fake sherriff waddles to the podium after peeeuuu and calls out Barack Hussein Obama to the crowd to further boos and chants of kill him...

At a McCain rally, he asked, "Who is Barack Obama?" and a crowd member yelled out "Terrorist" as McCain held that silly smirk on his addled face.

This reprehensible type of political campaigning is typical of the desperation the Republican Party finds itself in, as their numbers in the polls fall like the stock market...

peeeuuu palin and her husband are closeted facists and traitors...and again so is Vietcong propaganda model McCaint...

What is the Alaskan Independence Party?

The A.I.P. sympathized with Timothy McVeigh.

Founder Joe Vogel: “The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government", “and I won't be buried under their damn flag." (Joe Vogel is buried in Canada.)

“I’m an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." Joe Vogel – Founder.

Dexter Clark, vice chairman of the A.I.P.: refers to the American soldiers in Alaska as "occupying troops."

Michael Hill, a representative of A.I.P., stated on Glen Beck’s program that the goal of the A.I.P. is to dissolve the United States and the Constitution.

This is Sarah Palin’s and the Republican Party’s version of patriotism and love of country.
........peeeuuuu

"First Dud", Todd Palin, registered with the Alaskan Independence Party in 1995 and remained a member for seven years. "Besides a short period of a few months in 2000 when he changed his registration to undeclared, pheww Palin remained a registered member of AIP until July 2002 when he registered again as an undeclared voter."

The AIP was founded in 1984, but its website doesn't begin listing officers until 1992, when its founder, Joe Vogler, "Disappeared"... in 1992, body found in May 1994."

As I have written in a previous blog...the same Joe Vogler who turned-up dead in a Fairbanks gravel pit, the victim of a "plastic-explosives sale gone bad", according to his murderer.

Sarah Palin addressed the Alaskan Independence Party Convention a little over 6 months ago, happily telling its attendees that she shared its "vision of upholding the Constitution of our great state", curiously not mentioning the Constitution of the United States.

She encouraged AIP to "keep up the good work".

The AIP website enshrines on its website a tirade from Joe Vogel that concludes with this statement.....

"We (the Alaskan Independence Party) ask that a courageous member of the United Nations sponsor us to appear before the General Assembly to present our case, that we may be restored to the list of Non-Self-Governing Territories so that we may eventually secure our right to self determination. We would also like to take the matter before the International Court of Justice if such is feasible."

...Now them's a fightun words.....

As for Wasilla, Alaska, it is STILL called the Methamphetamine capital of Alaska...oh also did you know that it is legal to possess under 3 ounces of Marijuhana in that state as well....

Sarah Sez..."gotta keep 'em stoned and stupid"

peeeuuu Palins 80% approval rating..yea, now I can see why...

A Skinhead Sherriff
Crowds chanting for human blood
A Woman in White....

Facism will come to us by a Bible in the right hand and a semi automatic rifle in the left.....

Alaskan Drug Enforcement under Palin proved uneffective...

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/alaska.html

Thanks but no thanks to McCaint and peeeuuu Palin for their treachery and further traitorus encounters

Posted by: AlexP1 | October 7, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Go Palin is right...go right back to Alaska where many of the citizens dont wanna hear from you either....ur debate winking, avoidance of questions, dumb blond antics were embarassing to any real woman of substance....you performed like the college chic trying to get a passing grade from her professor....you pulled every degrading trick out of your bag....no presidential or vice presidential should or has ever spoken in a patronizing goo goo gaa gaa sort of way....you are not Joe 6 pack, or for that matter Joe half pack.....you are simply being used by John McCain for his dirty work.....people are not impressed with you but are laughing at you and feel sorry for you.....

Posted by: Anonymous | October 7, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

All you fools that think Obama is so wonderful and the one to vote for will get what you deserve when you vote him into office. Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than he is, though not by much. You think he is going to do such a great job and it will seem like it at first because he will be a change, but after a couple of years into his term you will regret voting for him. Remember what happened the last time the white house and congress were controlled by the Democraps? Under President Carter, now there is the worst president in history! Double digit inflation, double digit interest rates almost 10% unemployment and the military so destroyed they screwed up the rescue attempt of the hostages in Iran. Just because you hate Bush so much you are willing to vote for someone that is not qualified to be president. Bush also had nothing to do with the current crisis on Wall Street; the greedy S.O.B’s that run Wall Street are to blame for the problems, which by the way, are the people that really run the country, not the government.

Posted by: Rick D | October 7, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the new video clip of Vladmir Putin in a Judo Black Belt video????

This somehow seems ironic and dangerous in lieu of a governor who can see Russia from her house AND protect US airspace in Alaska should Putin rear his head....

Posted by: justsayin | October 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is truly a remarkable woman. The Dems can't stand it, can they?

Posted by: Naj | October 7, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

excuse me Naj
but i am not a dem... and i cant stand the woman

Posted by: renee | October 7, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

all that stupid a-- winking and crap
give me a break...... shes brought a whole new meaning to the word irriating

Posted by: renee | October 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Reagan was once quoted as saying
"Government is not the solution, it is the problem".
Will Ms Palin and Mr McCain continue the problem? Or will they solve the solution?
Republicans seem always to be more of the same.

Vote for America
Into The Future and Back to The Age of The Pioneers


Regards

dePaul Consiglio

Posted by: dePaul Consiglio NYMetroCityState US | October 7, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

OH NOW SARAH PALIN CAN SPEAK TO THE PRESS AND GIVE INTERVIEWS FOR THE FAR RIGHT ONLY NOW THAT SHE'S TALKING OF NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE? WE'LL IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT IGNORANCE HOW CAN YOU GET ANYTHING WRONG. WHEN REPORTERS WANTED TO ASK HER ABOUT THE ISSUES SHE WASN'T ALLOWED TO HOLD INTERVIEWS. NOW THAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT HER ATTACKS AGAINST OBAMA SHE'S ALLOWED TO TALK TO THE PRESS. THAT SHOWS YOU HOW SHALLOW PALIN AND THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN ARE. MCCAIN/PALIN DOESN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ECONOMY OR ISSUES IMPORTANT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE JUST WANT YOU TO VOTE FOR THEM SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO DO NOTHING IN THE OVAL OFFICE LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH.

Posted by: MARRIE | October 8, 2008 3:55 AM | Report abuse

In past weeks many have come clean about having regrets over electing Obama vs. Hillary. Republicans have taken advantage and placed a woman with no senate presence or knowledge of the senate as vice-president clearly using her as a mere bait for the Elections. I heard some people say that they will write in Hillary Clinton in the November ballot ...I didn't know that was possible but given that I'm so unhappy with the candidates I decided to do the same. Now I’m wondering how many people will use a write-in for Hillary Clinton on the November Ballot. -(A write-in candidate is a candidate in an election whose name does not appear on the ballot, but for whom voters may vote nonetheless by writing in the person's name.)
Even if it was unlikely that she could win at least I would be at peace with not given in a situation that has been forced from the beginning and all by voting honestly my way. If you can’t bring yourself to vote for any candidate this far in the game, if you are not satisfied with either candidate Obama or McCain you should vote for Hillary. Please pass on and post this info for others. You still have a choice.

Posted by: Stella | October 8, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Sen. John McCain clearly won last night's debate.

Democrats for John McCain and Sarah Palin in 2008.


Posted by: Cynthia | October 8, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Run a country, hell she can't run a car wash. She started one when she was mayor of that ( LITTLE TOWN ) but she like most republicans do hate ( to pay taxes ) so the State closed her car wash down after ONE YEAR for not paying taxes. If you doubt this statement, check it out.

Yes this country deserves better. GOD BLESS AMERICA

Posted by: Gene Hackworth | October 8, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I wish the candidate would discuss global poverty more. According to The Borgen Project:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget

Posted by: Borgen Project | October 8, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

To nonracists in the USA-

Now is the time for good people to stand up and condemn and race-baiting and hate mongering that Palin is stooping to in her campaign appearances. When she incites people to violence by her blatant distortions and her supporters begin shouting "Treason!", "kill him" and "sit down boy" to a black cameraman, courageous people need to stop this by saying enough is enough. It is on white people particularly to call out this mean-spirited, racist people. What kind of country are we if we pander to people who promote violence? God keep Obama and Biden safe, and it will be on Palin's head and conscience (if she has one) if anything happens. Don't allow hate to spread unchecked.

Posted by: USA future | October 8, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Governor Palin's "you betcha, darn right" and winks are natural to her. You all are probably too young to remember Harry Truman whose straight midwestern talk was much the same. He was a credible vice president and ultimately a good president who maintained a nation through WWII and beyond.

Every region of this country has their speech idiosyncracies. Think about the south and New England. Allow all of them to be who they are.

Posted by: Karolyn | October 8, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Firstly, Sara Palin is increasingly becoming a caricature of herself and watching her performances feels eerily like watching a cartoon.

Secondly, the "debates" are not "debates". Exchanging programmed assertions and trying for witty one-liners does not constitute a debate. Perhaps they shouldn't be covered by the News Division of the broadcast industry, but by their Entertainment Bureau side.

On the other hand, I believe both bureaus merged some years ago.

Posted by: JoeDr | October 8, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else notice that Biden looked like a vampire and Palin just kept with her milf look, or was it just me? PS - Love the Palin in all the wrong ways, was unfortunately swayed to the blood sucker side. Obama, my vote is for you. I think. Thank you "my friends."

Posted by: razdar | October 8, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Karolyn wrote “Governor Palin's ‘you betcha, darn right’ and winks are natural to her.”

Think again. Watch the video clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4iCDBIAde8 and listen closely to her speech. The difference in her accent is striking. She pronounced each and every G on her ING’s. There wasn’t a single wink or you betcha.

So which Sarah is the real Sarah?

Posted by: Rudy | October 8, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin needs to go home to Alaksa. Both she and McCain are not the brightest or most intelligent of folks. Palin flunked out of her first college and it took her 5 yrs to get an undergraduate degree. As far as I'm concerned, she is an unfit mother. Dragging around her disabled infant son and pregnant daughter for show is nasty. She should have said "no" to being the VP candidate. What makes her think she is qualified to be President if ole' man McCain is impaired or dies?

Posted by: Doris. V. Albuq. NM | October 8, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Much has been made of McCain's being a continuation of GWB and the past 8 years. Actually, this isn't the half of it.

Palin would be a continuation of Cheney -- with attitude.

Wink, wink, nudge, nudge ...

Posted by: Hneftafl | October 8, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling nearly all Americans will switch their Obama affiliation after he gets elected. Just like how many turned against Bush.

Posted by: Jackson Moore | October 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company