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Hillary Denied Bid to Take Charge of Health Care?

Ailing Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) apparently has rebuffed a bold bid by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) to take over health care policy in the Senate when the new Congress convenes in January.

Sources tell the Sleuth Clinton had approached Kennedy, who chairs the Senate health committee, and Democratic leaders about creating a new special health care subcommittee, one she would chair.

Her hope was to draft the legislation that would fulfill her presidential campaign promise - and President-elect Barack Obama's - for a sweeping health care overhaul plan.

But sources say Kennedy is cool to the idea. So is his top health care aide, Michael Myers, Kennedy's staff director on the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee.

Myers tells the trade publication
InsideHealthPolicy that Kennedy will continue handling health care policy at the full committee level. Asked if that meant Clinton would not be tapped to head a new health subcommittee as rumored, Myers said that was correct.

Kennedy, who is continuing treatment for brain cancer in Washington, has already been working on health care legislation in recent weeks. In fact, Kennedy and Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) are both scheduled to brief Obama on health policy this week.

"In the end," Myers told InsideHealthPolicy, "it's President Obama who's going to lead the effort for us."

Democratic sources close to the health committee saw Clinton's entreaty to chair her own subcommittee as an attempt to hijack health care policy, an issue dear to Kennedy's heart and one he has championed for decades.

She won't get a subcommittee chairmanship as a consolation prize for losing the Democratic presidential race, they say.

"No one here gets preference because they ran for President," one senior Democratic aide tells the Sleuth, adding, "Sixteen current senators - six on the HELP Committee alone! - have run for President."

Clinton ranks eighth in seniority on the committee and would be leapfrogging over the likes of two other ex-presidential candidates, Sens. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.) and Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), if she were to get a special subcommittee to call her own. (To be sure, none of them got as close as Clinton did to securing her party's nomination.)

Clinton's spokesman, Philippe Reines, would not discuss the senator's private talks with Kennedy or others. He said only, "Senator Clinton has told her HELP Chairman Senator Kennedy, as well as Leader Reid, that she stands ready to help President-elect Obama in any and every way she can to enact comprehensive health care reform, which she has sought for nearly two decades."

All we know is that even as Democrats are relishing this week's smashing victory at the polls, tension already is brewing within their own ranks. If Clinton really hoped to carve out her own subcommittee, it sounds like she can - as some of her New York City constituents might say I - fuhgeddaboutit.

"A decision was made years ago to keep healthcare policy at the committee level. And I can't imagine that will change anytime soon," says one veteran Democratic Senate aide.

By Paul Volpe  |  November 7, 2008; 5:12 PM ET
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Once again, Hillary plowing ahead expecting special privileges for herself. She got her shot at health care back in 93 and ruined it with her inability to listen to other viewpoints or compromise. So we got nothing.

She demonstrates again why Obama was so wise not to choose her as VP. By now she would be plotting on how to take over the West Wing and insert her tax plan in for policy.

Posted by: Pupster | November 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

dodged another bullet. HRC is to toxic on this subject... for the good of getting SOMETHING passed it is imperative the legislation not get bogged down in personalities. Yes, as 1rst Lady she pulled heavy duty, but the breakdown became emblematic. HRC would be seen as forcing "her" view on the forces that stand to change. You'd think she's get jiggy with the Wall Street debacle as she REPRESENTS Wall Street, but.... crickets. Kennedy has been around so long and has this institutional overview of the subject, I feel more comfortable with Kennedy.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 7, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

It is quite amazing that Hillary haters never rest--whether among leakers in the Senate or elsewhere in Washington, in the fourth estate, or among commentators on this site.

Posted by: bn1123 | November 7, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Putting Hillary in charge of it would be the wrong thing to do for many reasons.

Putting her in charge would provide far too much ammunition to the Republicans in Congress, not to even mention Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc.

It also would set a bad precedent in Congress. Next election we'd have 100 Senators running for President just so they could claim committee chairs after the election.

She can have her say just like any other Senator, and that is enough - it's much more than the rest of us will get.

Posted by: pagun | November 8, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Can't blame a gal for trying.

Posted by: RedBird27 | November 8, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

If I were a betting man, I would guess that Hillary will be nominated for Supreme Court justice when Ginsburg retires, which should be fairly soon.

Posted by: scootmandubious | November 8, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

If I were a betting man, I would guess that Hillary will be nominated for Supreme Court justice when Ginsburg retires, which should be fairly soon.


Wow...I didn't even think of that possible reality.

Posted by: CitizenXXX | November 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If I were a betting man, I would guess that Hillary will be nominated for Supreme Court justice when Ginsburg retires, which should be fairly soon.


Wow...I didn't even think of that possible reality.

Posted by: CitizenXXX | November 8, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

HRC on the Supreme Court? Are you insane? Their would be a miltary coup before that would happen. The last 6 justices nominated all had extreme limited paper trails, HRC has a paper trail of controversy. You would need more than 60 Senators (indeed they would love to dump her, but on the American people)? Anyhoo..... why is everyone so concerned with upping the value of the HRC as product. Senator from New York is hardly hash and liver. Maybe she can finally do something, instead of running for first woman president. The Wall Street crisis would be a good start.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 8, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse


Well, well.

Let's just admit that all the talk of a new day and everyone pitching in for the good of the country doesn't mean anything.

Does anyone really think that Ted Kennedy is going to return and perform at the level that's required?

Does anyone still believe that Chris Dodd does anything for any reason other than to impress his young wife and advance the cause of Chris Dodd?

It's just incredible to me that the "love the world" Obama crowd still cannot see how limiting their Clinton Derangement Syndrome is.

If the Obama Nation has one major flaw that it must address (in therapy), it has to be this problem.

You guys love everything that Obama tells you to love. Are you incapable of going beyond that?

Apparently so.

Watch out. It is not productive.

Evaluate each new situation on its own merit.


Posted by: DickeyFuller | November 8, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

A little off subject here, but I think well worth the attention. Have you guys seen this site yet? Pretty cool.

Posted by: HopeWonDotCom | November 8, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Seems like Hillary is having a "when it rains, it pours" kind of a year. What's that like? See

Posted by: jheubusch | November 8, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hillary’s historic run in the primary leaves her with huge politcal capital. I hope she’s very careful in how she uses it. It’s not just that she ran, it’s the amount of support she generated and the number of people she reached. In spite of the split in the party, many of us are expecting some pay off in terms of her Senate responsibilities. But UHC is a contentious, complicated area, with big special interests that will block solutions that prioritize the public over pharmaceutical and insurance companies. I’m guessing history will not look kindly on whatever solutions Congress creates, since America’s middle class will probably end up paying more for lower quality.

On the other hand, economic recovery provides lots of areas with potential to change our economic stability and rebuild America’s bleeding middle class. Hillary’s support of HOME/HOLC is a good example, and sets her apart from congressional Dems who jumped on the bandwagon to fleece taxpayers with the recent bailout. Now that we’ve socialized Wall Street without guaranteeing public returns, the field’s wide open for someone like Hillary committed to bailing out Main Street. That’s an area that would establish and/or reaffirm her commitment to the middle class and blue collar workers, while providing the foundation our country needs for economic recovery.

Posted by: newtc | November 8, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is done with Hillary. Go under the bus!

Posted by: lynnL123 | November 8, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

If you read about Hillary and her health care reform failure in Bill's administration with a Dem Congress, you will find that she had a hard time working with others, that included Bill, as a team. Otherwise, we would have had a healthcare reform bill for over a decade by now. This is serious business. People live or die because of it. I pray that Senator Kennedy can see through it himself.

Posted by: dummy4peace | November 8, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I have really appreciated Hillary's attitude and help during the general election. However, it was a mistake to attempt this. It was never going to play for her to bypass the two senators above her senority and that doesn't include Teddy. Ted Kennedy has been working exclusively on the healthcare bill all during his absence from the Senate with the intention of having a bill ready for Obama as soon as he's sworn in. Ted has been working for this even longer than Hillary, It's his committee with his senority and the capstone of his long service to the country. He has lots of help and decades of experience on the subject. Please be careful Hill. I want good things for you and this was an unwise political, social and senate culture move. You can do a lot of good, but only if you play by the rules. This one is not going to be your baby, so find a new baby. We're rooting for your success!

Posted by: karela | November 9, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

I definitely appreciate all that she's done on this issue and others, but... if she really did try to snipe this position, it was a careless move. Teddy Kennedy has wide support right now because of his long service, his experience with healthcare, and now his severe medical problems - this was not going to get her anywhere, never mind the fact that Senate rules are substantially more highly regarded than the traffic lights along Independence Avenue. The Democrats are going to not only get out of Senator Kennedy's way, but they're probably going to roll out the red carpet and call it the Kennedy-Obama plan, and they'll both have earned it.

Posted by: AuronRenouille | November 9, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

My husband and I were blogging on ABC News yesterday about Obama and all our posts have been deleted. What happened to freedom of speech. They were not mean and we did not use filthy language in the blogs we just stated some facts!!!

Posted by: pattyduke45 | November 9, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Many of us voted for Obama in order to rid the country (if not the Senate) of Senator Clinton. I remember 93. We are going to go backwards if we get the bureaucratic nightmare that Clinton proposed then. And, given her personality, it hardly matters what she proposes--it will invigorate the Republicans overnight.

By the way, Obama is making a big mistake by bringing all those worn-out Clinton retreads into his Administration. He will have to spend his time watching his back and his food.

Posted by: rusty3 | November 9, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well...

I thought Obama was for reconciliation, healing, bringing people together...

He is such an inspiration to his fans. Snark

For the life of me, I cannot understand the level of hatred against HRC.

She was generous in her support for Obama. Kennedy didn't even want to shake Carter's hand when he lost.

One thing is to talk about unity, another one is the reality of the actions.

If the dems just want to "get rid" of Hillary, they should just come out clean and say it. They should just say loud and clear that they don't want her doing anything for them. Period.

This public humiliation of this woman is getting annoying. Now I fully understand why President Clinton is so mad.

Again, how sad is all these: the biased media, the "new" dem party and the obama fans and their cult... Sad.

Posted by: Catalina1 | November 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

If the dems just want to "get rid" of Hillary, they should just come out clean and say it. They should just say loud and clear that they don't want her doing anything for them. Period.

Posted by: Catalina1 | November 9, 2008 4:25 PM

we want to "get rid" of intra-party racists... those so low they would play the "I am the candidate of hard working white people". LOUD and CLEAR.... we don't want Rodham Clinton doing anything except keeping the Senate seat warm for the next real Democratic Senator from New York who might actually do something for New York (they are experiencing a meltdown on Wall Street.)

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 9, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is not fit to answer Ted Kennedy's phone.

Posted by: gmundenat | November 9, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Indications are that Huckabee may be getting ready to announce that he plans to run in 2012, according to
They have a article there about Huckabees 2012 Campaign Website. Hopefully the GOP will wise up and get behind the only GOP contender that appeals to the working class. Huckabee is awesome. Came from Working Class Roots did a great Job in Arkensaw. I myself an independant couldnt see voting for any other GOP contender. Besides after watching the video Huckabee Hearts Obama on Youtube. Why would I want to vote anyother way.!!!

Posted by: pastor123 | November 9, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

2010 is not far away and Hillary supporters are still organized.

We are watching, waiting and writing on our blogs.

Hillary needs a place in the cabinet because she helped Obama get where he is today.

We helped the Dems get in the White House.

Anybody could have beaten George W Bush.
Obama happened to pay off all the delegates to get the nomination.

Get women in the cabinet roll.

We need Hillary.

Posted by: gracedelvillar | November 9, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I am a leftist- what has EFK ever done for me- his egotistical attempts at power grabs in the late 70s and at the convention in 80 not only threw universal health care to the dogs but also handed the presidency to Reagan- and we all know how well that worked out.
He talks a great liberal game- but is just a pol looking to preserve his space-that is why he backed Barak even though HRC had more ambitious progressive policies.
He is a liar, a mysogynist and a murderer (literally- see Chapaquitic- this is not just ridiculous right wing rumors like the Vince Foster poop)

Now he will hold back healthcare so that he can put his name on it rather than the woman who earned as many votes in the primaries as Barak did.

I can support his occasional foray into liberal policies- but all of you who trash HRC for this guy (and I am sorry that he is sick, but that does not change his history) should probably do some reading.


Posted by: nycLeon | November 10, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

"Does anyone really think that Ted Kennedy is going to return and perform at the level that's required?"

Come on. Hillary is obviously the best person for this job. Obama just cribbed her health care ideas in the primary and ignored the issue altogether in the general. Hillary did what she had to to get Obama elected. It is time for you Obama supporters to shut up and let her take a prominent role in something.

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

"I am the candidate of hard working white people"

She was just stating a fact with that statement. All of the news analysts were saying she was out-polling Obama among working class white voters and they didn't get tarred as a racist. You Obama freaks really use accusitions of racism like a sledge hammer. The Obama campaign did much more nasty and underhanded stuff than that. What about the accusations that Palin (nt that I like her) did not actually give birth to her youngest child? Despicable. Bill Clinton a racist? HRC a racist? Come on. Maybe if Obama works really hard he can be a fraction of the President the Bill Clinton was. Maybe.

HRC came much closer to beating Obama than McCain did. There are a whole bunch of people that pulled that lever for Obama that almost went the other way because of how they treated Hillary.

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 7:01 AM | Report abuse

This is an outrage! As much as Hillary has done for healthcare in this country and this is her thanks. Is this some sort of personal vendetta against her by the Obama supporters and Obama himself? GROW UP!!! Obama used the Clintons to get elected, and now that he's gotten what he wanted, he'll throw them under the bus.

Hillary SHOULD head this committee. There is NO GOOD REASON that she shouldn't! If Obama is any kind of good man, he'll intervene and tell Mr. Kennedy that Hillary is deserving of this position. She'll work harder than anyone and FINALLY something will get done in this country about healthcare. This is disgusting!!!

Posted by: ladyesq1 | November 10, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I think Ted Kennedy is a little angry that Hillary spent the better part of the last three months making him look like a jerk in 1980.
No one knows more or cares more about healthcare than HIllary does. TO suggest that the failure of health care in the Clinton administration is entirely her fault is simply ignoring the facts- to suggest that she has learned nothing about Washington since then is simply ignorant.
I will never understand how people demonize Hillary for trying something and failing, but continuing to try because she knows it matters and she cares.
I will also never understand why people treat Bill and Hillary Clinton like crap but love Ted Kennedy. Kennedy got drunk, drove off a bridge and killed someone and got away with it because of who he is. If he can be forgiven for this, can't anyone be forgiven for anything?

Posted by: stephanie2 | November 10, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Mrs. Clinton is a senior Politician who needs to hold a big post in the Obama administration than being a mere group leader in the house.

She fought hard to help Obama to convice some of the voters to turn back to the camp of the President Elect. She deserves to be a minister ar a diplomatic corp in any toher country, or she could take up a post of Mrs Rice.

In American politics, there's transparency and accountability interms of giving out views on issues concerning the welfare of American people the things which Africa do not have when it comes to politics.

Let Hillary be confortable and active in Obama's adminstration so that she may feel the pain she suffered in bringing the truth to all Americans. Africa should learn something from America.


Posted by: cmzima | November 10, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Now that Obama is going to lead this country it will be interesting to watch what concerns get addressed first. I think that the passing of the Global Poverty Act should be addressed sooner than later. According to The Borgen Project:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget.

Posted by: veronica5 | November 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

HRC should stick to the job that she already has. NY is not in the greatest of shape and the state would be better off if 2 of its senators would get to work rather than just 1.She failed in 1993, it has been 15 years and the healthcare situation hasn't gotten any better. Why didn't she pick her self up and dust off in say, about 1994 and work on healthcare anew? Get back to work for New York you freeloader!!

Posted by: 2Funny | November 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Again- the reason she should lead the charge toward universal health care is because she is smarter, more knowlegable, better able to work with others, and has a better understanding of not only the policy but the people it will be affecting than does the fat drunken murerous traitor (oops, I mean Saint Edward).


Posted by: nycLeon | November 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

So out of the cesspool of Obama's call every opponent a racist "unity" politics, we have Ted Kennedy asserting the Democratic Party's well protected male privilege of telling women where to go - good thing "impeachment hearing not allowed" Nancy Pelosi takes orders well or she would lose her current ability to get headlines. Kennedy is only carrying a message to Hillary from Barack: I'm moving to the right, and don't get uppity". Half of Obama's agenda is keeping Hillary - indeed any women that does not obey - from being seen as a force on an issue. Obama, Pelosi and Reid want to keep Hillary politically crippled lest she outshine Obama, again, in any way. So Hillary is considered "just another one of many who ran for President"? She got more popular votes than any of the "boys" ever did! What did Kennedy, Harkin, and Dodd do for Obama on the campaign trail? This is downright disgusting. I doubt any influential journalists will be writing pieces about how she deserves better treatment after her historic run, 18 millions votes that were more primary votes than Obama received, and hard work stumping for Obama. The Hillary hate this little article has produced in the posters on this thread is an excellent reminder of the power and control freak misogynist egos that exist is the Washington Post writers and their faithful readership. Thank God that readership is rapidly decreasing.

Posted by: papau | November 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Now that Obama is going to lead this country it will be interesting to watch what concerns get addressed first. I think that the passing of the Global Poverty Act should be addressed sooner than later. According to The Borgen Project:
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$540 billion: Annual U.S. Defense Budget."

Have you seen our budget?

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

seems all the bullet dodgers have gotten their lumberjack shirts in a bunch.... listen, we Obama supporters did the Democratic Party a great service in outing Rodham Clinton as just another lying corrupt politico. Had she forced herself as the nominee, we as a party would have lost by 20 points as HRC was up to her eyeballs in Hedge Funds and Wall Street corruption! She did not have to go with the "hard working white people" strategy, but she did. And she did it intra-party! Screw you pant suit juice drunks.... she revealed herself and you. She deserves NO position in an Obama administration because she and her pretend husband are political animals. Time to go live off all they have stolen... and write some more books of lies.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"we Obama supporters did the Democratic Party a great service in outing Rodham Clinton as just another lying corrupt politico."

What is Obama then? You know he comes from the Chicago political machine right? You Obama supporters got lucky that the media fell in love with your guy and the financial crisis hit when it did. Obama is the most derivative candidate I have seen in years. Health Care? Stolen from Hillary. Hope, Change, economic populism? Bill Clinton 1992. Bamboozled? Malcolm X. How many times did he paraphrase MLK or crib passages from Deval Patrick? Civil Rights? You know Obama grew up whiter than you right? In Hawaii for lords sake (some caldron of racism). Obama is largely myth and fraud. 3 years in the Senate? The least experienced President in modern history. Let us hope it works out.

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Uh, let's see - Hillary and "own agenda" -- cross-reference the Google search -- get 2012 (just like Sarah.Palin).

Posted by: boesc | November 10, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

And Kennedy did support Obama. Think this is still Kennedy with hard feelings about the Clintons in general

Posted by: PunditMom | November 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

To all of you continuing Hillary haters, I am laughing thinking that you all actually believe that Obama got the presidnecy on his own. Without the Clintons, Obama is nothing. Without a billion dollar campaign Obama is nothing, and as you can see now, there is nothing he is doing that is about CHANGE!!! What happened to that little campaign slogan of CHANGE!....I am laughing.....He is even keeping Bush people.....If our country wasn't in such dire straits, this would be funny.
This man is so NOT about change.....he is not choosing ANYBODY NEW!.....There is a joke in here somewhere......It's all in the propaganda.....same stuff GWB/Rove used.....Hey, it works.

All of you Hillary and Bill haters need to get a new line now....Don't know WHO you're going to blame when you can't denigrate the Clintons.

Hillary Clinton: Historic RECORAD primary votes 18+ million
Bill Clinton: Historic ECONOMIC surge forward with SURPLUS from his presidency.

Posted by: librairie | November 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Under Clinton, the government =wide plan started to allow contractors to do as they pleased with no civil or criminal ovesite by agencies. It started with medicare and billins have been stolen from taxpayers as insurance companies permittted to"dump" their bills on moedicare when patients had other primary payers. Illegal tort reform as diagnostic coeds are changed to 'hide' true medical damages and make it harder to negotiate fair settlements to take care of future medical needs and these future bills get "dumped' on medicare/ Many have died as doctors look at a fraudulant national claims data basa to direct medical treatment in emergency situations. They had the legal enforcement law called "conditional payments" suspended. Then when the patient dies the ilegally-caused overpaymet to medicare is found and for about the last three years estates are being attached. These overpayments would be waived if the patient were alive to make a statement as to misinformtion by govenment officials and contractors. This paln is now being used by the U.S> Treasury as they turn over 700 billion to priviate contractors and federal officials have no right to ask what they do with it. An author on a talk show said congress gave up this right to oversee what private contractors do with our money, also. Pres. Obama, please bring back law enforcment of federal contractors. Our monies are bein stolen and honest contractors can't compete. I am one of the victims in this mess and I can't get the laws obeyed on my own bills.

Posted by: LindaJoyAdams | November 10, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone really think that Ted "Jabba The Hut" would move over for anyone. That old fat tub of lard will hang on until his last breath.

Posted by: kalamere | November 10, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

18 million cracks indeed... but most came well before Rodham Clinton went with her "hard working white people" strategy. I will also note that the average viewership for Desperate Housewives is around 22 million. I would have been one of the 18 million, but our state primary was held after she went racial negative. I don't vote for racists... but obviously, I almost did.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"after she went racial negative"

Who the #$!* are you to call someone racist? J. Wright?

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

And as the article said, Kennedy has been running the health care committee for years...and where has that gotten us? He is the old regime that we need a change from and Hillary is a part of the new change we are all looking forward to. I too am very sorry that he is ill, but we need to move on and no one has proven that they care more or have more good energy to push changes through than Hillary. She also proved her loyalty to the party and stood by Obama through the election and she deserves a chance to to do good works in the senate as Kennedy resigned to do after he lost his bid for president back in the 80's.

Posted by: inglefwl | November 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Thank God she was denied!

She already totally screwed up healthcare reform with "Hillarycare". Please, no one let her anywhere NEAR healthcare reform this time around.

Hillary's lame healthcare plan (mandate) was one of the issues she lost to Obama in the primaries.

Hillary failed. Failed at her presidential bid, and failed miserably at reforming healthcare in the 1990s. I cannot imagine why she or anyone else would think she would be good for that job.

Here's a newsflash Hillary- in the real world, the one where people aren't married to presidents, people don't feel entitled to positions they haven't earned, and are not rewarded for things they didn't do.


Posted by: julieds | November 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Who am I.... ? an American citizen born in South Carolina and raised in Tennessee. Rodham Clinton admitted the strategy..., "hard working white people" was a mistake. Did not matter, it was about getting the nomination using racial dog whistles. They worked! Just were not enough 4 wheelin' racists to win. BTW... I don't consider Rev. Wright to be racist. Racism is a frame of mind based in superiority... I don't think Rev. Wright thinks he is superior to anyone, economically or otherwize, but the Clinton's sure exhibit all that and then some. You am what you am.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The Hillary haters out there are actually funny.

Do any of them think that Hillary actually needs a sub-committee to have an impact on Health Care. Teddy Kennedy is dying. That is sad but the reality is that long after Teddy is gone Hillary will be around.

People tend to forget how ego centered Ted Kennedy is. It was Ted Kennedy who cost Jimmy Carter the election in 1980 and brought us Ronald Reagan.

Kennedy who ran a presidential campaign he couldn't even explain why he entered, then refused to shake Carter's hand at the convention after Carter was nominated and didn't do much for him in the following election. Compare that to what Clinton did for Obama, no comparison at all and clearly of show of character that Teddy never really had.

I actually admire Teddy Kennedy for the work he has put in through the years in the Senate but let's not make him a giant in decency. For all you guys too young to remember he first got elected on his name and nothing else.

Hillary Clinton will continue to make a name for herself in any area she chooses. I wouldn't be surprised if Barack Obama has his staff work closely with her. Remember it was Bill Clinton who gave Rahm Emanual his start. Hillary can attract more attention these days than Kennedy out in the country and more respect. Obama knows that she is the one along with Bill Clinton who helped him win Florida and Ohio and were it not for her full throated endorsment of him it would have been much harder for him to win over her voters.

This is Barack Obama's time. Neither Hillary Clinton nor Ted Kennedy will take center stage and they shouldn't, but in the long run Clinton will be much more effective in moving people today than will Kennedy.

Posted by: peterdc | November 10, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess we ALL saw at the end of the campaigning, that Obama ALSO needed the white blue collar working people!.....Didn't we just KNOW THAT! at the beginning! I guess when Obama people talked about THAT (NEEDING!!! the white blue collar vote) at the end of the campaign, they didn't call it racism of course!........because it wasn' was a FACT of running in a general election for the Presidency!.....COLOR had NOTHING to do with it! And of course, WHO did they get to HELP them???? (the Clintons)
**** I would have voted for Jesse Jackson for President ANY TIME, so GET OFF THE RACISM note........
Clearly there is no question now that Obama could NOT do it without the Clintons and the billion dollars spent. THAT!!! is WHY!!! he did not WIN the popular vote in the primaries.
It is really no different than when GWB BOUGHT the Presidency or DID NOT WIN THE POPULAR VOTE ......I wonder when we TOTALLY threw out DEMOCRACY in this country!

Along with racism in this country. MISOGYNY is alive and well!!!.... And I might add, let's now see how many more gay people are discrminated against now.....Particular the people that voted to ban marriage for gay people.....I understand that blacks turned out in record numbers for Florida, Arizona and California to place votes for the ban.....You want to talk about discrimination??!!!!
I was shocked.....Had no idea.....So, you see, RACISM takes many, many forms!

Posted by: librairie | November 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"They worked! Just were not enough 4 wheelin' racists to win."

Yeh, right. Obama's problems in those final primaries had nothing to do with Wright and the "bitter" comments. Hmmm.

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Gay people are diseased.... can't get around that fact. Not a whole lot of things one can figure out in life but one thing is clear, we humans (mammals) have a stick or a hole, in which to re-create ourselves. Finding love in a discharge shoot is not something normal, and seems to create new diseases. I understand you will eventually force the world to accept you as an aberation, but it does not make it normal.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Gay people are diseased....

Flop. A reverse-racist, gay-bashing, Obama-freak. Wow!

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

more of a phobia... of disease and people who engage disease. Bashing sounds too violent. I'd rather keep my distance.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse


Your id for this thread certainly tells us a LOT about you.

Usually angry people are also mean people, name callers, phobics, etc

Posted by: librairie | November 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

exactly.... google it. I'm a cartoon. Thanks for playing. Sorry I offended you. You do understand that there are people like me out here right? Anyway... we is way too off subject. Maybe try some decaf Gunga dim......

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

bn113, I read the newsweek chapters after election. I am soo glad Hillary did not get the nomination. You call people posting "haters." I have no animosity towards the Clintons. I voted for Bill twice. So I won't vent hate but will tell you and others... "I am soo glad Hillary and Bill won't be back in the whitehouse." They had their time and hillary was apart of it. If Bill and Hillary feel that they did not get everything done while he was President. Well Bill can partly blame that on the impeachment process which he allowed to happen. Time for a fresh start. No more Bush's or Clinton's. Let's move on in the 21st century.

Posted by: tjirish34 | November 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

One last point is it seems Hillary feels she is "owed" something for coming close to winning. Newsweek reports she is alot closer to McCain then Obama. I gotta believe that there were some things promised to Hillary by Obama for her support. Butmake no mistake the Clinton's watching Obama hire some of their people in his administration cannot be going down too well. The fact that alot of people like me stood up for Bill during the impeachment. Especially people such as Bill Richardson shows that Richardson, myself and others owe the Clinton's absolutely nothing.

Posted by: tjirish34 | November 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

If Bill & Hillary are so bad then why were are you Obama supporters wanting her out there to campaign for Obama. You all wanted her to pull in those votes.
But Senator Obama needs to remember that he would not have won FL, OH, IN,& PA without Bill & Hillary's help. He owes her the election.

Posted by: tlintx | November 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Ted Kennedy's dislike for Sen. Hillary Clinton is well known. He's at death's door, but still wants to be in charge of health care. I'm not surprised. A man who would allow a young woman to drown while he ponders his next career move is not someone I want to be in charge of anything. I prefer Hillary.

Posted by: mariaconz | November 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

and if anything.... Obama won despite the Clinton drama baggage.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Ladyesq1 what has Hillary done for healthcare in this country?? I just renewed my premiums like others and it went up again. I do remember Hillary screwing up a chance to reform healthcare back in 93. If she wants another try. Hey I am all for 2nd chances. But your statement all that she has done. Yes Hillary has made it a priority but I am not seeing all she has done for healthcare from a legislative point of view. If she helped uninsured great. But my premiums still going up. Everyone upset about healthcare. Oh forget it. I just don't "GET" people (especially women) who are soo ate up about how Hillary has somehow been "wronged" by haters, the press etc... Hillary is a United States Senator who ran for President in a very close race that she was the front runner in beginning. Hillary's campaign's own mistakes allowed another very good candidate to win a close primary and become President. Hillary has never been "wronged." She is owed nothing. She is one of only 50 Senators in country. She was first lady and still has a great political career ahead of her. So this victim crap from her "fans" is just abuncha baloney. Read newsweeks behind the scene campaign chapters and see Hillary on phone with Bill Richardson shouting "Bill he can't win" several times about Obama.

Posted by: tjirish34 | November 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

We will ALL see NOW what Obama REALLY stands for........Change? New Ideas? Forward looking?.....SAME old politics, and these are even worse, coming out of Chicago....and whoever the real purse-strings were from. I can tell you, the "billion" dollar campaign (as referred to by Tom Brokaw election night after the win from Obama) was NOT from the little people.....
Shame on the Democratic Party for CHANGING the rules! THAT! is the only CHANGE we have seen.....No more Democracy in this country!

Posted by: librairie | November 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

tlintx that's bull. It was to Hillary's advantage and for the country to have Obama win the election. That's BULL what you state. Obama does not owe the election win to Hillary. They are laying people off at my job and I see Obama versus McCain as an easy choice for president. Especially with that whack job as mcCain's VP choice. Your gonna come on here saying Obama owes Hillary and Bill for winning. Hillary and Bill should have campaigned for Obama because they should care about the future of this country. Since Obama, Bill and Hillary pretty much have the same ideals. SO THAT's why Bill and Hillary should campaign for Obama. Because they care about their country and it's future!!! BTW I am in Indiana and Obama was here like 50 times. Hillary and Bill here a few times after the primary. So now Hillary and Bill won it for Obama. Keep shoveling the bull tx.

Posted by: tjirish34 | November 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Read newsweeks behind the scene campaign chapters and see Hillary on phone with Bill Richardson shouting "Bill he can't win" several times about Obama."

Obama people are hypocrites. "She's a monster". "I want to scratch his eyes out".

Posted by: hdimig | November 10, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Obamaniacs, stop it already! Enough with the vitriol towards Hillary. This undermines Obama's call for unity and it's shameful. I volunteered for Barrack and happily voted for him but do not for a minute believe that this is not politics as usual. Big donors and early supporters are on the short list for appointments. That's fine, that's how politics is always done. So why the hatred for HRC?

She was not just like every one who ever ran. She got huge numbers. She is a high profile Democrat, able to rally the electorate (which Obama's camp had NO problem tapping into when she made the 70+ appearances for him) No fair blaming her for the demise of healthcare in early 90's. The country is now ready and she should take an active role. The more you split people into factions, the more it will hurt Obama's administration so cut it out and give some respect. Remember, it was Teddy Kennedy who huffily demanded a vote count on the floor of the convention during his run--- not Hillary.

Geez, do you people really want to backbite within the party and let the Repubs sweep back into power in a few years?

Posted by: starfirejasper | November 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Chappaquiddick--if you are going to bring up ancient history at least spell it right!!
Ted Kennedy/Orrin Hatch wrote SCHIP [state children's health insurance program] in 1997. That alone garners respect.
Obama has no say at this time about who does what & when. Bush is still the president.HRC did not "win" the election for Obama. His hard work and his grassroots approach won it!!
HRC most certainly deserves a position and I am sure she will receive one soon. She would be a great Supreme Court Justice. I did not vote for her but she is a highly intelligent woman and worked hard for Obama in his campaign.
You show your ignorance when you speak of gays being an aberrancy. They come that way, it is not a choice!! African Americans voted against Prop 8. They know what racism is in any form.

Posted by: katerinaDeligiannis | November 10, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Here is a "little story" you WON'T read at the post today.

Though when I was a journalism major in The Seventies
working at my college paper, tearing breaking news
off the AP wire machine about a keystone cops caper at
The Watergate...You would have.

Difference being...we had a Free Press back then.
And the Washington Post embodied it...then.

Some of the bloodiest battles in this campaign were waged
at a couple of Hillary Clinton "grassroots" pages at...myspace.
Where about 150,000 loyal supporters of Hillary Clinton
fended off misogynist posts like (and please forgive me)
"F*ck you Hillary, you f*cking c*nt! Vote Obama o8!"
(asterisks mine)

No substance no logic just blindly euphoric obscenity.
To the obamabullies, this passes as political discourse
and you've seen their neurotic contempt for the First Lady
almost First Woman President fully evidenced right here.

Those of us at politically lowly trailer trash myspace
were, from the start, seeing an ENTIRELY different election
that what passed for "coverage" on TV from pbs to FOX.
And it was important to be able to to talk to...each other.

What WE were seeing all day every day was women including
being called words I CANNOT get past the moderators here
And NO ONE in the media was...talking about that

But Lordy! Did WE speak up at myspace! We're STILL speaking up
But not at the hillary grassroots pages...not anymore.

As it turns out MANY of the Hillary support sites at myspace
were run by the same person who we now discover has been
campaigning for Obama at...facebook.

And two days after the election to our amazement,
he posted that we were NOT to say any more mean things
About President Barack Obama or he would...delete us.
those who continued to speak out against the horrific treatment
of Our Female Candidates had our posts and our pages deleted.

Obviously the Obamacrat intention is to make it APPEAR that
ALL the Clinton supporters now gladly support Barack Obama
which, believe me, is a long LONG way from being true
No one is left there to argue that point. We've been silenced.

Over the next few hours, 900 Obamacrats (many paid staffers)
poured onto the once 68,000 friend page I one posted at
(while I and many core members who resist Obama were deleted)
Obama supporters are all thats left, thanking the moderator for:

"hitting the breaks on the hatefulness and negativity of this site"
(as in angry and frustrated REAL supporters of Hillary Clinton)

As one blissful obamachild put it:
"I love that all the negative comments are erased
this page is so much happier...!"

It's just a...little story...but a chilling one nonetheless.

Posted by: pintoparty | November 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Puhleeze Hillary supporters. give it up! Her credentials to run health care are as real as her bullets over Bosnia story. She had 6 years on the Wal-mart board to explore this area and did nothing.
If we Obama supporters don't like her we have reason. She ran a divisive campaign full of racist innuendo. There was no McCain talking point that did not come from her.
As for her being robbed of the nomination, she made the rules to favor herself. Only after they didn't work for her did she want to change them.
And she wasn't defeated by sexism. she lost because she had no independent record except the NY Senate seat she got for being Bill Clinton's wife. For months I've been asking for one thing she did on be
It would be nice if she would give it back now that she's not going to be POTUS, which was the only reason she wanted it. If she keeps it til 2012, she follow her buddy Schumer to defeat. We New Yorkers are sick of both showboats.

Posted by: miriamac2001 | November 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

tjirish34, Obama and Hillary didn't pretty much have the same ideas until she dropped out, then he took hers. Now most of the people on Obama's economics team are from the Clinton administration. Looks like the Clinton's era to me. Hehehe

Posted by: tlintx | November 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

dang! Twenty years of Bush-Clinton-Bush and now guess this is the start of the next twenty. We the People havin' to serve and tat Congress takin' 401k and IRA's....this is not change only more of the same.

Posted by: madmilker | November 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

the Hillareans are most amusing..... especially the blithering about someone wiping out your facebook screed. Too, too funny. Anybody know if there were any PUMA (Party Unity My A**) buttons or t-shirts? Like to know if someone made some money off these swimmy headed fools.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Who are you people?

Why shouldn't Hillary go for this?

Don't you think that we would all benefit from her twenty plus years of passionate dedication to this cause? Don't you believe that she probably spent many hours and days studying what went wrong the first time she attempted to get National Health Care done in this country and learning from her mistakes??? Who understands this better than she does? Don't you believe that this was one of her highest priorities as a presidential candidate and that she has worked on this issue probably more than anyone in the country at this point and has some pretty damned good ideas about it and an honest understanding of the challenges involved?

Last I heard, aside from the faltering economy, healthcare costs were one of the biggest concerns of the American voters. Why wouldn't you give a qualified person the job of tackling it? Barack Obama has enough else to do now, he should be grateful to have Hillary be willing to take this on. What is the benefit to the DNC leadership to reject Hillary once again?

And as far as Ted Kennedy, my own esteemed state Senator, is concerned... why couldn't he share this effort and honor with Hillary? He already dissed and dismissed her by endorsing Barack Obama during the primaries, despite the strong support she had in his own state of Massachusetts and the fact that she handily won in the primary there. Is there some wierd personal and ego-based thing going on?

Posted by: SaraB19 | November 10, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

ladyhawkke 11.10.08 at 5:10 pm
From Puma Responders:
We have posted there before. Lots of comments bashing Hillary, needs
some supportive comments here.


Posted by: bettylizard | November 10, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the following;
"No one here gets preference because they ran for President," one senior Democratic aide tells the Sleuth, six on the HELP Committee alone! - have run for President."
My response:
Did these other 6 senators get more votes than the president elect?
Were these 6 senators responsible for the children in America having health care, like Hillary?
She has more than earned this position, but just like in the primary, even being twice as qualified does not get you the job if you are female.

Posted by: rrow | November 11, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

As this is the time for change, who gives a s''it about seniority, the People of the USA voted for change, replace all the dead meat with new and up and coming Chairpersons who hopefully will change the agenda from the old,'we've always done it this way' to find new and appropiate ways and it possibly might be the right way, 'buggins' turn always turns out to be the wrong way because of entrenched ideas. Ive always found HRT as you call her to be of sound mind and a thinker and a really nice person, trouble is there are a lot of so called commentators and so called insiders who hate a successful Women, Im sure her policies on Health Care are founded on the same principles as Sen Kennedy and Soon to be President Obama so why not give the Girl a chance, even if she was given the Economy brief there would be carpers briefing against her, just trying to keep their cushy jobs. Grow up boys school over its time to grow up and be big about it, whinging like little school boys.

Posted by: rlbradley | November 11, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

John Kerry is being considered for Secretary of State. Janet Napitolatano is being considered for Attorney General. Rahm Emanuel is Chief of Staff. Axelrod is now senior adviser. The favor for Ted Kennedy's endorsement will be an expanded role for Caroline Kennedy. Tom Daschle will be in the mix along the way along with Bill Richardson. Their replacements, as well as others, will be from the Obama fan club of "I scratch your back if you scratch mine". It is a shame that Senator Clinton actually delivered more to Obama than any of these opportunists other than maybe Axelrod. However, Obama would not have won without the work of the Clinton's who actually owed Obama nothing.

They may not get preference because they "ran for president", but they are getting preference for other favors due. It might also be interesting to watch what happens to those congressional members that actually supported Senator Clinton in the primary.

Posted by: licer | November 11, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

The material point is that Senator Kennedy is very ill and not in a position to lead development of health care reform legislation, which this country desperately needs ASAP. He has headed up that committee for long enough that if he was capable of effecting change there would have been change, particularly with the democratic majority in Congress for the last 2 years. I wouldn't mind seeing Senator Harkin tackle this, actually.

Posted by: SuzyQ847 | November 11, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Why does Ted the Kenn think he is the greatest thing that has lived on this earth? That he has an illness is granted, but so do many average Americans. Hillary Clinton was gracious in defeat, unlike Ted the Kenn, who snubbed President Carter at the convention in 1980. Now he wants his name on famous legislation. Did he campaign for Barack, as Hillary did? I think not. Was he kind to the problems of his first wife? I think not .I won't even comment on the incident with the young lady early in his career (perhaps, ruining his chances at the presidency). Yet, he always expects first place in most things .e.'g. when the pope visits the US. He has been smug and ungracious throughout his life.Let him go in peace and give his betters their due.

Posted by: vincekreder1 | November 11, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I notice Obama seems to be putting together an all-male cabinet. He should choose HIllary as Health and Human Services Sec'y. She has been a brilliant, devoted, and loyal public servant and would definitely do a good job.
I agree with those who say Obama must move beyond his own animosity or insecurity or whatever it is. He owes her, big time, and the staggering country needs her.

Posted by: patcaplanandrews | November 11, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

So many distraught people, slinging mud to no good purpose. Obama represents conciliation, coming together on what can be agreed upon so that real progress can be made. Bill and Hillary Clinton lost face and support because of character flaws that showed up during the primary campaign. That loss, coupled with the baggage they carry from times past, makes them problemic for any position they have not been directly voted into by the electorate. As the Junior Senator from NY, Hilary can, if she wishes to be of great help to this nation. Her own behavior held her back from higher office. Let's get over it and move forward.

Posted by: Boomer4 | November 11, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill Clinton come with too much baggage to be readily acceptable for any appointment. Hillary's loss in the primary election cycle was caused by her and Bill, not anyone else. Obama's election represents popular support for a different approach than that of the other candidates. This is a time to bring people together on the basis of ideas and needs that unite them, not divisiveness. Let's keep that in mind as we move forward. Let's give and earn respect, so that health care, the economy and other interrelated issues can be addressed in a positive manner.

Posted by: Boomer4 | November 11, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama should get over his animosity and insecurities and acknowledge that if it weren't for Hillary Clinton, he'd be writing speeches in Chicago.

She taught this verbose Anorexic Resume how to fight to win, and showed him that Women Count! Of course, not in this misogynist man's agenda! Without HIllary his 50-state strategy would be a rhetorical flourish at best. One of the qualities that will bring Barack's own downfall and accentuate his failings as president will be his lack of humility, and his total lack of respect for women.

Hillary deserves the Chair. As for that playboy Kennedy where was he when Mary Jo Kopechne drowned in his car and he cowardly hid avoiding the police investigation from finding out Mary Jo spent her last few hours before she drowned in this privileged exploiter's vehicle. We know you Ted and you certainly ain't no Joe K.

Now, let's see Obama lose his diva's vendetta attributes and start using his head so we can see the One who got more of the popular vote in the primary head the Health committee she deserves to lead.
A word to Kennedy and Obama: You guys better smarten up and start reading the WOMEN'S MEDIA CENTRE bulletings. You may learn something!

Posted by: MSakel | November 11, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I believe the American people showed our disdain for the hate-mongering when we voted for President-elect Obama. I am so tired of reading the kind of comments that Ms. Clinton's supporters are posting. Don't you get it? We don't want to listen to any more name calling and hate filled rhetoric. Grow up! Become the kind of people we need to make the changes that are so necessary. Please.

Posted by: EastTexasGrandma | November 11, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

We're being really foolish here.

Every chance we have to actually change the tone in Washington, we don't.

Look at the way Obama supporters attack each other.

Look at how vicious some of the internal attacks are.

Look at the way many Obama supporters have treated Hillary Clinton, and the way she is being treatd now, after heing incredibly loyal to the Democratic Party by going out and campaigning for Obama, and Bill Clinton was a huge help as well.

In the case of Bill and Hillary, a lot of their key help was behind the scenes, using their incredibly extensive contacts in Washington, across the US and around the world.

Many Obama supporters have treated the Clinton's like dirt, when they are the Kennedy's of a large portion of voting Democrats. because we remmeber how great life was under Bill Clinton.

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton deserve MUCH better treatment than many Obama supporters and many members of the Press have given them.

President Clinton was the only two term Democrat since FDR.

President Clinton inherited a deficit from a Bush and turned it into a surplus.

Life was very, very, good under President Clinton.

Senator Hillary Clinton was crucified when she tried to pass universal health care the first time, and it was "single payer" which is the most efficient and would have saved a tremendous number of lives.

Hillary would be the perfect person to head up health care reform.

We're being stupid hy wasting Hillary Clinton's knowledge and experience, and neither Ted Kennedy nor President Obama will have the time, bandwidth and energy into that one issue that she does.

We should be using every good person we have in the Democratic Party, especially the ex-candidates, because they're some of the best people we have.

You wanna fight?

Lets all fight the Republicans, ignorance, war, and disease.

We should love all our top Senators, Congressmen and Governors.

We should put them to all to work.

There's no shortage of work to do.

There's a big shortage of people and time to do it!

Posted by: svreader | November 11, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand all of this hostility toward the Clintons. Bill Clinton left us in pretty good shape and if he had behaved himself, he would have no doubt gone down in history as a great president, instead of a good one. HRC ended up with a lot of supporters and she gallantly threw her support behind Obama at the convention. Without her efforts to unify the Democratic party, the election results may have been very different. Whether all of the HRC haters want to admit it or not, Barack Obama owes her. Here in Kentucky, we saw more of the Clintons during the primary season than we did of Obama. I know he came to Louisville, but don't know if made any other visits during the primary season. He didn't come here during the presidential race season, either, that I know of. I got to meet the entire Clinton family and was very impressed with all of them. They came to my very small town and we were very honored to have them.

I know that Senator Kennedy dislikes HRC, but I can't really understand why. He doesn't have an unblemished past as we all know. He is hardly in a position to throw stones. Health care has been HRC's passion. She has learned hard lessons from the past and there is no one else better suited to lead the fight for that as Senator Kennedy's own health is so precarious.

HRC is quite brilliant and it is time to put aside pettiness and make use of that talent. She has been a strong leader in the Senate for New York and she has much to give. Frankly, I don't know why she and President Clinton stick around and take the abuse. They don't need the money now. They truly enjoy helping people, that's what.

I think HRC deserves a position in the Obama Cabinet. Of course, he will be urged stick it to her and that will be a shame if he does. He has made forgiveness overtures to Joe Lieberman, After all the help the Clintons gave him, we will see what he offers her.

Posted by: savannahlover53 | November 11, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is incapable of playing second fiddle to anyone. This is her blessing, and her curse.

Posted by: n8stradamus | November 12, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I swear, the immaturity of some of the Obama cultists/HRC haters is going to destroy the Democratic party. Watch out. This is not high school.

Posted by: NewHamster | November 12, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse


Who is running the "Obama Show"??? Not Obama. Get real. The freshman?

The DC Geriatric White Haired Trolls Boys Club have been and continue to run this super thug nominated sham. He would be nowhere without them and their Super Tuesday eve ambush and worse of Hillary Clinton. They are despicable. And I'm a Democrat who recognizes nothing of my values in this bunch.



Ted should get his Hillary hate out of his system - it might heal him.

Posted by: Thinker | November 12, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse


yeah - you are

Posted by: Thinker | November 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

P.U.M.A. Party Unity My Ask .... formed by the Rodham Clinton Bullet Dodgers, seems to have been the rally cry that was never extinguished but actually encouraged by HRC. So now... that HRC will not be re-elected to her Senate seat in New York (went racial negative with her "hard working white people strategy" comes the full court press to "force" Obama to appoint her chief negotiator on Healthcare. The cycle of political skullduggery needs to have an end that does not reward.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld | November 12, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

As it is obvious to all that president Obama has a huge task waiting for him with our financial problems not only as a country but now as a whole it seems like we may be forgetting other issues this world has as well. Global hunger is getting worse and their may be a less difficult way of looking at the problem. The solution may be the Global Poverty Act. This act will be looked at in December. This act is something that Obama has before been an advocate to. The Borgen Project an organization that is working to get this act passed as well. To learn more go to

Posted by: veronica5 | November 12, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Who wants to bet that the Democrats will attempt to make part of D. C.a State? The reason being they would gain two Senators and a Representative. One being Jesse Jackson. WOW what a nation!

Posted by: jrbreslin1 | November 12, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

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