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Did Joe Wilson Violate House Rules?

Updated, 1:38 pm ET

Regardless of how mortified Miss Manners would be, this much we know about Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.): he may well have violated House rules Wednesday night when he yelled "You lie!" at President Obama.

The rules of decorum in the House explicitly state that a member cannot "call the president a 'liar.'"

While Senate rules on decorum do not prohibit personal references to the president, House rules do. According to section 370 of the House rules manual, members may not:

* call the President a "liar."
* call the President a "hypocrite."
* describe the President's veto of a bill as "cowardly."
* charge that the President has been "intellectually dishonest."
* refer to the President as "giving aid and comfort to the enemy."
* refer to alleged "sexual misconduct on the President's part."

(Hard to imagine how many members were in violation of the House rules during the Bill Clinton impeachment debate in 1998, but we digress.)

House Democratic leaders clearly view Wilson's outburst as a violation of the rules. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told our colleague Ben Pershing Wednesday night that Wilson's behavior was "contrary to the rules of the House."

But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Thursday there should be no formal punishment of Wilson. "The episode was unfortunate," Pelosi said. "Congressman Wilson apologized, and it's time to turn our attention to health care."

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) didn't suggest a specific form of possible punishment for Wilson but he did say Thursday morning on the Bill Press Show that Wilson "ought to man up" and apologize to Obama in person. Clyburn said Wilson's release of a written apology late Wednesday night was "cowardly."

"I share counties with him ... these are people who may have political conservatism but they do have good manners, and I do believe that the first sign of a good education is in fact good manners," Clyburn said on Press's radio show.

Appearing on the same program, Sen. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) suggested the House should "reprimand or censure" Wilson, later repeating his call on Twitter.

Retired Major General Paul Eaton, who has become a de facto Democratic spokesman on national security issues, says Wilson, a retired Colonel, may have violated military codes of conduct as well.

Writing on The Huffington Post, Eaton takes exception with Wilson's defenders who say Wilson is stressed out because his kids are serving in the military.

"Every parent whose children are serving -- as all three of mine are -- can respect the strain Col. Wilson might be feeling, and thank him for his sacrifice," Eaton writes. "Yet I would never expect to hear anything but the greatest respect for the elected President of the United States from these men and women, regardless of their political persuasion."

Meanwhile, Wilson's Web site was down and his phone lines were clogged.

"Due to exceptionally high traffic, this site is temporarily unavailable," his Web site read Thursday morning, having gone down shortly after the speech and not yet recovered from the surge in interest in the previously obscure congressman. "Please come back shortly."

A Capitol operator told The Sleuth that the switchboard was overloaded with callers to Wilson's office. His office line remained busy all morning.


By Mary Ann Akers  |  September 10, 2009; 12:14 PM ET
 
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Sounds like a clear violation of section 370 of the House rules manual. Censure the rube!

Posted by: thebobbob | September 10, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi's right. Let it go. Be more adult than the guy and don't extend his shame and glory days.

Posted by: MikeK3 | September 10, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Joe Wilson an hoot and a half? It truly is an amusing thing to behold. The extreme right wing is having a collective, massive nervous breakdown. They just can't come to terms with the nasty little fact that a black guy is the most powerful human being on the planet. It really is kind of funny - to a point.

Here's what's happening, boys and girls: The so-called "party of Lincoln" has been forever exposed as ideologically bankrupt and they are in the process of implementing their "scorched earth policy". In other words, if they have to go down (and down they are going) they're going to bring the rest of the country down with them. That is what is happening. If you think the right wing has lost its collected marbles, as Al Jolson used to say, "You ain't seen nothin' yet". There is violence down the road. Count on it.

Sound paranoid? Stay tuned.

http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

Posted by: tomdeganfrontiernetnet | September 11, 2009 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Up until yesterday, when I heard a discussion on NPR about right wing lunatics at gun shows, I would have called Tom's comments paranoid and excessive. However, these people are heavily armed and seem to be using gun shows as gathering places where they feed on each others venom and fears. I'm sure the internet is alive with the same sickness. The violent outbursts at town hall meetings, Joe Wilson's disrespect of the President, and the nasty, snarky emails I get from conservative "friends" could add up to more dangerous behavior. I do have concerns about where this will go.

Posted by: no1buckigirl | September 11, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Well at least those who are going to the gun shows we know about. But let's think about those black market deals that go down everyday. Just know that every community is ready for violence but the key is how not to unleash those that wait for the insane to begin. I pray we as a country can move forward without violence but know hoods all across the country are calmly waiting for the foolish to make the wrong move because this time it will be different than social movement in the 60's and know they have been listening to NPR and radical stations as well.

Posted by: ConsciousMindz | September 11, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

This Congressman made a mistake in the heat of the debate, it was stupid, and he apologized-let it be. Democrats have done the same in the past many times.
However, I wonder if Obama was aware that the healthcare bill contains no enforcement to preclude illegal immigrants from getting taxpayer subsidized healthcare, and the Democrats took out those enforcement provisions that were in amendments; it was for reasons known only to Democrats.

Posted by: John786 | September 11, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

John786, I would question the assertion that Mr. Wilson made a "mistake in the heat of the debate." That wasn't a debate, but a speech to a joint session of Congress.

I would think that it might be smart for President Obama invite Mr. Wilson to the White House for 15-30 minutes so that they can have a clear-the-air discussion and that the Congressman has an opportunity to apologize in person. It would keep the story alive for one more news cycle, but would otherwise, hopefully, put the story to rest.

Posted by: john181818 | September 11, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

John 786 - There was no "heat of the debate" moment. The president was speaking, the members were not supposed to be. Perhaps Wilson was still in town hall mode but he was disrespectful and a disgrace to the House as well as an embarassment to South Carolina. I believe he should be censured, but I will be satisfied with his defeat in the election in 2010. I am contributing to his opponent, as are many others incensed by his disrespect of our president in a very public way. Last numbers I heard were his opponent had raised over half a million in 24 hours without lifting a finger. I'm sure the money will continue to roll in for him. As a former marine, his opponent surely knows how to conduct himself during a speech by the president.

Posted by: alaskan2 | September 11, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JWx2 | September 11, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: edtroyhampton | September 11, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

rep. wilson was probably receiving the psychic vibes from the millions of people watching the scene on tv and were screaming exactly the same thing at their screens. obama's reluctance to tell the truth about anything is legendary to those of us who bother to remember what he's said before.
dennisintn

Posted by: dennisintn | September 11, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I would just as soon let it go, other than the fact that with all the right wing crazies out there. They do not believe President Obama is a natural citizen. They are saying he is not a legitimate President.

And the fact that racism is still playing a major part. Many of these people are suffering from some kind of mental illness, and could lose what ever sense of reality they have left as any.

This man needs to be screened any time he is around the President! I do not trust him or any of his followers!

He should be made to resign, and never allowed to run for any public office. As he claimed on his video last night he will not be muzzled. What does that tell you?

Posted by: melodymg | September 11, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Ok if the rules are stated like this, please look back over the past 6 years and reprimand all who have accused President Bush to be a liar to congress. I am assure you can find several. If this is the decorum as stated, I would like to have everyone looked at not just for political gain. As usual, we hear things like "it is water under the bridge" to pease the people, but what is done behind closed doors is "get you tourches and pitch forks" mentality. This seems to be a double standard that has inferiated the American people that the Speaker has said are Un-American. I think the apology was sent quickly and with sincere thoughts. Since this was done without the arm pulling and marching out in front of the world to use for ammunition in an election year, I will accept his appolgy. When Congress can get up and apologize to us, the American people for being asleep at the wheel and letting the horses out of the barn in their spending tactics, then I would ask him to come to the floor to appoligize. Although this will be a mainly political rundown, I would only say the look on the Speaker's face was "priceless" and showed the true side of her as the inigma that will not allow the parties to come together but kept at arms length. I support moving forward, because we cannot change the past, we can only look ahead and learn from our mistakes. So far Congress seems to never learn from their mistakes without spending more than is in it's wallets.

Posted by: MidwestContributor | September 11, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

he really did not need to state the obvious "you lie". He should have just said its already happening. Since stimulus money has already gone to pay for Illegal immigrant’s health care.

God I hate politicians

Posted by: david_welder | September 11, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

does anybody trust "any" politicians?

Posted by: david_welder | September 11, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Wilson was a member in good standing of the Sons of the Confederacy, which according to this story is populated with ex-KKK'rs and racists.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-09-11/joe-wilsons-rebel-yell/?cid=hp:mainpromo6

I guess ole 'bubba' Wilson didn't know this.

A sample from the Son's of the Confederacy's newsletter:

• “Previously, anthropologists had routinely recorded the notable differences in IQ among the races; but at Columbia, a liberal cultural anthropologist named Franz Boas…decreed that there were no differences in IQ among the races, and the only biological differences between the blacks and whites were of superficial nature… Meanwhile, the liberals in the media heaped special praise upon black athletes, musicians, singers, and writers—and treated them as typical of the black race. The liberals were creating a false image of the blacks in America as a highly competent people who were being held back by the prejudiced white Southerners.”
—Conner, September/October 2003

Posted by: Richard18 | September 11, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

One certainly can't say that what Wilson said--"You lie!"--was anything unprecedented. Indeed, the president had just gotten done saying exactly the same thing about ObamaCare critics. And by the way, Wilson quickly apologized. Obama still hasn't.

James Taranto

Posted by: kohnfjerry | September 11, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Aw, c'mon! Haven't you ever made an inappropriate remark, unconsciously, when hearing something you believe to be absurd?
I have! Years ago, when dining out with neo-Conservative friends [ now ex-friends ], the male friend was defending Bush's attack on Iraq and said something ridiculous. I screamed out, "B*** S***!".
I did not even realize what I had done until it was pointed out to me that all the restaurant patrons were staring at our table.
Wilson certainly believes that Obama was not telling the truth but the fact remains that the truth is evasive, here. The health bill HR3200 does say that illegal immigrants cannot join the plan. HOWEVER,
70 of 71 other federal programs have a SAVE clause whch demands that an applicant must show I.D.as proof of his citizenship. Such a clause was written as an amendment to HR3200, as protection against error, by Rep. Nathan Deal but, apparently being overcome by the putrid Washington, D.C. air, the House Ways & Means Committee thought they should defeat the measure. Therefore, if an illegal applies for the plan and does not offer I.D., he is not required to be asked for it, and he gets the plan. Those in charge believe that many illegal immigrants would be afraid to apply. Many young & healthy would not bother to apply. It is estimated that for the illegals expected to access HR3200, the cost would be $4.3 billion. Of course, after the illegal gets the plan don't you think it is plausible that he will get so excited that he will tell his friends & family all about it?

Posted by: afed27 | September 11, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

He said 'you lie" not "you liar". He described his action; he did not describe/define his character. This is not a violation of section 370.

For all of you panzy socialists who think it somehow ethical to use Govt coercion to force citizens like myself who pay over 45% of my income in taxes each year, into a Govt run health care system that has no precedence on earth for efficiency or effectiveness, get used to a ton of outbursts and righteous indignation being directed at your pathetic scavenger and lying democratic party leaders.

Our deficit is approaching $2 trillion; our national debt will be 20 trillion by 2015. We cannot afford another social security like system that does BTW allow illegals to use it because there is no provision for ID verification. Obama wants and will definitely need the illegals votes by 2012, Acorn will rally them, and the 2013 implementation date of the health bill legislation will be their inspiration. Yeah, 2013 is when it is written to begin. Ironic isn't it, AFTER the election.

Posted by: qadash37 | September 12, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Anybody anywhere at any time and for any reason can call the President of the United States, regardless who he is, anything [s]he wants. I certainly accused Baby Bush of lying many times!

That's not the point. The point is: it CANNOT be done -- AND HAS NEVER BEEN DONE -- at a PRESIDENT'S ADDRESS IN THE HOLLOWED HALLS OF A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS!

Anyone who defends the indefensible Joe Wilson should perhaps repeat Grammar School, beginning with the 4TH GRADE, when C I V I C S began to be taught!

Posted by: AboonaJoe | September 12, 2009 6:51 AM | Report abuse

I am reminded of what an Australian friend told me about a member of their Parliament from the Country Party, a small, rural party.

The MP rose in the House, and, by way of humility, began with the declaration:

"Well, I'm just a Country member..."

to which he heard the response,

"Yeah, we remember!"

Posted by: anticlimacus | September 12, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I am sure that Congressman Wilson realizes after the fact that you cannot make any audible comments amidst a Presidential speech to Congress. He apologized quickly and Obama put the whole matter to rest in an amicable and classy fashion. This whole incident was like stepping in some mess in the street. Go home hose it off, spray it and forget it. Let's not make a capital crime out of this, we have work to do in America that is critical to our survival.

Posted by: freelanceman4 | September 13, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Censuring Wilson for violating protocol is merely revenge. The more important issue is that he has lied about what's in the bill. The perpetuation of lies is most damaging. PinocchioGate marches on while Wilson and the Republicans have trivialized health reform and trivialized the truth.

http://axisofreason.com/2009/09/11/pinocchiogate/

Posted by: policyhack | September 13, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson has already apologized for the outburst in which he said "you lie" to Obama. Good for Wilson.

Now ... when will Obama apologize to Americans for actually LYING to all Americans in a televised speech before a joint session of Congress???

It's one thing to tell lies before an assembly of "the faithful", or "the intellectually challenged", but before the entire nation???

Not smart. Somebody was bound to call Obama on his bull. If his intent is to grant legal status to all illegal immigrants 15 minutes after healthcare reform is passed, then obviously all current illegal aliens ARE covered under his bill.

Wilson was rude ... but right.

Posted by: LauraInNevada | September 13, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, but Wilson was right. Odumbo lies a lot, and someone needs to call him on it.
I'm happy Wilson did it.

As for Eaton, he's not the first retired military officer to check whatever principles he had at the door, and support corrupt democrats.

Look at the little weasel Wes Clark, who tried to sell himself to the Rebublicans, and when they weren't buying, he became a democrat.

U.S.Army Retired

Posted by: LarryG62 | September 13, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

There will be some democrats looking for jobs in 2010 if they think they will attack Joe Wilson with impunity. BTW Why hasn't the Liar in Chief addressed his relationship with ACORN? We know he was their attorney and early on he was a trainer in the Alinsky method of Community Organizing. A trainer in a communist tactic to intimidate businesses and government to extort money, jobs, benefits etc. The president is a radical and should be on the watch list. He has surrounded himself with radicals and other communists all his life, at least the parts we have been able to find, and he did say we would know him "by the people I surround myself with..."

Posted by: Callie1 | September 13, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I am sure that Congressman Wilson realizes after the fact that you cannot make any audible comments amidst a Presidential speech to Congress. He apologized quickly and Obama put the whole matter to rest in an amicable and classy fashion. This whole incident was like stepping in some mess in the street. Go home hose it off, spray it and forget it. Let's not make a capital crime out of this, we have work to do in America that is critical to our survival.

/////That is probably the only classy thing the Pres. has done since elected. Of course his far left base that he answers to has other ideas. His administration is a real goat ropin'.

Posted by: Callie1 | September 13, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Tom Degan sounds like a bonified nut case trying to incite violence. The discontent and opposition against Obama and his Marxist agenda is widespread and crosses all party lines, races, religions and ages.

Posted by: Callie1 | September 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

It's time that the republicans learn the lessons of being held accountable for your actions. This is a characteristic that was totally absent from the bush admin.

Wilson should be censured and he should also apologize on the house floor, he not only broke the rules, but he disrepected his peers and his position. He's a pathetic disgrace.

His "apology" was the equivalent of "my mom told me to apologize". It was obvious who the adult in the room was Wednesday night. I've seen more composure and maturity from 12 year olds than I saw from wilson.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions | September 13, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"One certainly can't say that what Wilson said--"You lie!"--was anything unprecedented. Indeed, the president had just gotten done saying exactly the same thing about ObamaCare critics. And by the way, Wilson quickly apologized. Obama still hasn't."

James Taranto

---

This wasn't "unprecedented"? Really? Can you provide proof of the last time some m*r*n called the President a liar?

The problem with your argument James is that Pres. Obama didn't call anyone a liar, was calling out - and clarifying the lies being spewed by the right.

If you do your research, which I question whether you're capable of doing - I know, it's so much easier to be angry and willfully ignorant, but as it turns out, Wilson is wrong, there are no provisions to provide benefits to illegals. It's clearly spelled out. But for the intellectually lazy, it's much easier to just be bitter, isn't it.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions | September 13, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

The real shame is the two faced political posturing by various GOP members that voted in 2003 for the specific authorization of payment of medical charges for illegal immigrants. While this summer they are speaking against a seating President that has stated he will not duplicate their previous actions with the new health insurance correction bill.

They have "immediately" forgotten their 2003 irresponsible, unfunded actions; as those medical payment authorized by them in 2003 has now become a 2010 campaign flashpoint for their same conservative voting base.

It does appear that Wilson did violate the chamber rules, by acting like an immature listener talking back to his television or car radio. But, the real violation is the personal spinning which has been demonstrated by him and other GOP members. As they are jumping back and forth over the issue fence until the public points out the contradictions so that they hook themselves up on the fence to dangle in front of everyone.

Posted by: agcobob | September 13, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

After looking at those rules, I'd have to say that:

1. They're pretty damn stupid.

and

2. They are un-Constitutional.

If it walks like a duck, has feathers, and quacks, no amount of rulesmanship is going to turn it into a swan. Unless, of course, the rulesmongers are a flock of chickens.

Posted by: mhoust | September 14, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse


As a dues paying member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy I urge the leadership of the House to go after Wilson with all they have. Oh yeaaaaaaaaah baaaaaby!!

2010 will be much bloodier for the democrats in Congress than any censure they will give Joe. Has anyone checked on the campaign money that Joe has been receiving lately? ROFLMAO LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....

It's all about 2010 BABY!!!!


Posted by: charko825 | September 14, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

As a college educated CPA of African American descent I can think of no more eloquent words for the congressman than, "What a Jerk". His rude and ignorant behavior seems to be typical of the (neo-)Conservatives these days. Boy, are they some sore losers.

Posted by: djackson7934 | September 14, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I guess it was alright for Democrats to call President Bush a liar, a Nazi and a number of other derogatory names. Pelosi and this Democratic House are the most hypocritical people on Earth.

Posted by: gerrypooh | September 14, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Wilson,violated the House rules. He must be fine a least $10.000.00 and suspended from Congress for a minimum of 30 days

Posted by: gsueiro2 | September 14, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Civility & manners oil the gears of society.
Without them the gears would freeze up and
we could tear the country apart. It is
possible to plead our cause and still be
civil. Takes a bit more ffort but is well
worth it, a whisper is often heard much
more clearly and the message remembered longer than a shout. A drum will be heard but the sad mornful notes of taps will be
heard & felt.

Posted by: barlowtl | September 14, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Nail Joe's a$$ and DO IT NOW!!!!!!

Rep. Joe wilson (SC) is a Col in the Army Reserves. He most definitely knows better, and this sets a negative example for our military troops.

He MUST be made an example of...immediately.

Posted by: Rubiconski | September 15, 2009 4:40 AM | Report abuse

I feel that Mr. Wilson apologized, it was accepted and the book should be closed.

He spoke for millions of US citizens who are not being paid any attention to. We are voices shouting in the wilderness. The main stream media pay no attention and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid and their gang call us Nazis and other derrogatory names, but no one cares about that. They are all a disgrace in my book and I applaud Mr. Wilson for having the guts to speak out. When you READ the bills and compare them to the speech Mr. O made you come to the same conclusion - liar-shading the truth whatever you want to call it -- but it was not the transparency and honesty he is always talking about.

Posted by: nancycrichton | September 15, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Colonel Wilson, a man from the deep South and very bastion of excellent and courteous manners, South Carolina, knows better, and is being cowardly and sinfully vain by not asking to apologize personally to the President of the United States. He knew better and still has a black heart because his proud insistence on not apologizing personally is not befitting a Christian or a military officer. His abundant links to well known racist groups further makes this particularly disgusting.

Furthermore, as a GOP conservative (the party of sore winners and sore losers) he is actually a radical, and working to polarize the divisions in the country even more. Wilson knows that what the President said before Congress is true, but he just cannot separate in his mind what the truth is and what he wants the truth to be - beliefs are not facts.

And that is why the vast majority of the population now refers to the crazy GOP radicals and subversives as not being "reality based." If you disrespect the facts and the established process, then you are loony, radical and subversive. The Confederacy lost the last Civil War and it will lose the next one it seems to be fomenting. Pride goeth before a fall.

Posted by: enough3 | September 15, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

An exercise in utter hypocrisy....today's headlines include many other much more serious breaches of the code by virtually every other member of Congress. Funny how a rude comment is more important that the criminal conduct of Charles Rangel and other senior democrats.

Posted by: Tawodi | September 15, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I suck at bowling, that's it. Until tomorrow.

Posted by: edtroyhampton | September 15, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Wilson said he was sorry for telling the truth, when is Obams going to say he is sorry for lying to the American people? Our kids aren't back from foreign lands, he has raised taxes, and he has bankrupt our great country, and wants to spend more money (that we don't have). He wants to take our guns, and our constitution and have us working for a broke regime, am I wrong or did he not promise all of this, or has my memory lied to me?

Posted by: Vic5440 | September 15, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

It is truly amazing that this reprimand is even being discussed. Surely the guy understood that when he insulted the President while he was on the House floor that he would have been reprimanded. so let him act like a man and not some whining uy when he has to pay the price for breaking absolute House Rules. As a Republican, I find this guy's behavior insulting, juvenile and perhaps a whole lot racist. So, just suck it in, and take your reprimand and let us get on with it. Our party does not need this sort of silly distraction.

Posted by: mJJ2 | September 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Was Wilson in Church or not? So what's the big deal?. House and Senate members always mumble quitely or loudly using obsene language at times. But should this be different simply because it was said in an improtant session and aired in public? Get real.

Posted by: par12 | September 16, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The House of Represenatives can move quickly to discipline a member when it should. i.e. Joe Wilson.

I wish that the House had moved just of quickly when a member flouts it's ethic rules and maybe the criminal laws of this country. i.e. Charles Rangel.

The editorial in today's Chicago Tribune is 100% correct regarding this apparent breach of the rules.

Posted by: mwhoke | September 17, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

From 2000 through 2008, Democrats have been breaking all of the House rules listed in this blog. Censure yourselves before you start pointing fingers at the other side of the aisle. I admit that Rep. Wilson could have found a better way to voice his opinion of Pres. Obama's talking points on health care, but to say that the Dems are taking the high road on House rules is blatently false.

Posted by: UVA2000 | September 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked it was a violation of house and IRS`rules to avoid paying your taxes... yet the dem congress keeps giving Rangel a pass. Wish I could sign up for the Rangel tax plan, don't you?

Posted by: EvreeMan | September 17, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson needs to be barred from Congress for 30 days. Both from the floor and from his office for his misconduct. His aides can ferry things from his office to wherever he is but nothing from the floor to him. That would show his constituents and others that misconduct is never permissible and that penalties are greater then any possible advantage to misconduct.

As for Nancy Pelosi; it is past time to elect a new speaker. She causes more harm then good.

Posted by: reiley | September 17, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.): has violated House rules Wednesday night when he yelled "You lie!" and when he breaths, because he is taking up precious oxygen that is needed for real humans like our President Obama, and the American public. That's Reality, out!

Posted by: SmoothOp | September 17, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

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