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Soooooo.......

What did y'all think of the match and how do you like DCU's prospects in the second leg at Estadio Jalisco?

(I know some of you have added some postgame comments to the previous thread, but let's start a new conversation over here. I'll also try to answer any questions you might have.)

By Steve Goff  |  March 15, 2007; 11:27 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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TOTALLY worth getting soaked in the rain and being a wee bit tired for work tomorrow.

Posted by: Susanna | March 15, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

wonderful result for United.....and I just loved it when we scored at the last moment and shut all those Chivas fans up. So sweet. but i do admire the Chivas fans and their passion, and hope that by playing in these types of games we get more fans for our beloved United.

2nd leg will be tough, I felt tonight we had to win 2-0 to have a shot. Unfortunately, I think we lose the next leg. pains me to say it, but when Mexican teams play at home, they are difficult to beat.

Posted by: Jaon Ahmad | March 15, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Any chance for Fred to start in Guadalajara - or will DCU and Melbourne still be wrangling about a transfer fee, friendly match in lieu of a fee, etc.?????

Posted by: Zman | March 15, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Things are looking up on the Fred front. One of his reps told me after the match that matters should be settled in the next few days. I'll probably head out to practice Monday to see if he's out there.

Posted by: Goff | March 15, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Goff, what did you think of the match?

Posted by: Susanna | March 15, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's all that bad. We need to score in the next game but so do they. If neither team breaks the even score it'll go to penalty kicks. I would take the opposite approach from this game. I would play defensive (like a 4-5-1) and wait for the counter.

---------Emilio-----
---Fred--Gomez--Olsen-
----Simms----Carroll---
Gros-Boswell-Erpen-Namoff

Moreno comes into the game in the 55th to cause havoc

Posted by: Diego R. | March 15, 2007 11:58 PM | Report abuse

DCU was chasing the game most of the first half. Improved in the second half, but Chivas never seemed rattled. DCU fortunate to get even. Full report with quotes from the Web site:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/16/AR2007031600031.html

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Goffer: your analysis of the first half is very different from that of the Fox announcer who emphatically stated at the end of 45: "DC United has clearly been the better team tonight." As I stated earlier: the Fox announcer should be fired immediately.

Posted by: Marc | March 16, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me for being ignorant to most of Mexican League teams.. but how good was the team Houston beat tonight 2 - 0 and do tehy compare to Chivas in anyway? Or did Houston just get lucky and get a easy opponet when we got the big kahuna in Chivas?

Posted by: Kenny | March 16, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Goff, are you a United fan? That is, when you watch a game, are you watching with your neutral "reporter" hat or do you root for the team? Must be a tough position to be in.

Posted by: Susanna | March 16, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

i agree with Diego R. that a change in tactics might be in order. we had enough trouble dealing with Chivas in midfield at RFK and it won't be any easier down there. United should prepare to counterattack instead of building steadily as usual... but i'm not sure that sort of play is in our arsenal, since we can usually win the midfield against MLS teams.

Posted by: jeremy | March 16, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Chivas are tough and I think that DC can play better. I thought the game was much more even than goff states. Chivas looked more dangerous because they were sharper near the goal. DC was near chivas goal same amount of time. Possession seemed close to even and their goal was an own goal. Anybody see what happened with Olsen n chivas players after the game? I thought DC showed real well for being in preseason and playing vs a team in midseason form that's easily one of the top teams in the hemisphere.

Posted by: Matt y | March 16, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Both sides were victims of the weather. The ball just did not bounce (make that slide, slither and slip) our way tonight however a 1-1 draw is still a respectable result considering the only goal Chivas got was an own goal (hey if that excuse work for Italy it works for us).

I am actually optimistic that we can get through to the final in Mexico. I know that goes against convention wisdom however so much of what has happened this year in the CCC has.

i mean before this thing started who would have predicted:

DC United sweeping the quarterfinals 7-3 on aggregate with the large win being a 4-1 one in Honduras?

Dynamo getting the business done against both a Costa Rican and top Mexican side?

DC United will have to score some goals and probably should do their best to earn set pieces and score an early goal if possible to take the crowd out of the game. No bunkering. We're not New England.

Posted by: Hmmmm | March 16, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

That wing position really needs to be sealed up, I think that DeRoux showed he is not the answer and was on the receiving end of plenty of nasty looks from Olsen and Gomez.

Was a fantastic atmosphere despite the rain, one of the best crowds I've ever been a part of despite being outnumbered by Chivas fans at times. Hopefully some of that passion starts to rub off.

Posted by: Chris | March 16, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me for being uninformed, but would a scoreless draw in Mexico produce overtime and PKs? Is there no away goal advantage on aggregate in the CCC?

Posted by: PBR | March 16, 2007 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Paul | March 16, 2007 4:43 AM | Report abuse

Bueno is a good read...and just consider that he is the Mexican League's number 1 propagandist. I was tempted to e-mail him and ask what happened to his beloved superpowers.....he's been pushing the mex nat team as equal to the world powers. Until that is...the US B team embarassed his boys and he was forced to admit that thoughts of mexico currently being a world soccer power are purely delusional.
Apparently he hasn't learned his lesson on the club level.
Writers keep referencing that DC-Pumas debacle without also mentioning that Nowak played some reserves....really didn't field a competitive side (please Mr. Goff correct me if my memory fails me) and Rimando played terrible. DC got wacked..but there were plenty of factors that led to the beating...not just that Pumas/Mexican clubs are great and DC/MLS sides are not...

Posted by: Matt Y | March 16, 2007 5:20 AM | Report abuse

DeRoux is young and while he makes plenty of mistakes (he has some fault for the goal. Namoff was pushing to the middle to cover for Boswell and the outside mid should have been tracking back quicker to help out one the weak side mark) he was a huge upside that I haven't seen from any other DC reserves.

DeRoux is fast, fearless and has a knack for tearing up defenders off the dribble. He'll learn and I'd rather invest time in him...put up with the mistakes...than put the same time into a more "solid" performer who will never grow into a gamebreaker.

I see that quality in DeRoux and I even saw it last year....there are so few players in the MLS that are gamebreakers. We may have one...so let's give him time to grow.

I liked Soehn's subs. Chivas weren't going to be broken down with our skill so he put in some speed and power to change things up.

Posted by: Matt Y | March 16, 2007 5:36 AM | Report abuse

I continue to be unnerved by DC's defense, it seems so frail and prone to error. I lost count of the passes we made to Chivas as we scrambled to clear the ball out of our defensive third under pressure.
I also was mystified by the defensive nature of our midfield at the start. Simms, Carrol and Olsen all play essentially the same role. Too fearful for the home leg. Olsen was a god, though. Real Olympian.
Emilio, what a find. If Fred is half as good...We do need a right middie with some flair and work rate, badly. Happy for the tie, hoped for the win. Away will be difficult but impossible if we go in playing for the tie and PK's. We need to figure out how to deal with their massive pressure in midfield and attack, attack, attack. That is DC's strength.

Posted by: RRP | March 16, 2007 6:22 AM | Report abuse

I just thawed out. Man that was COLD and WET. Nasty weather. Luckily we had a tent for a our tailgate.

Great crowd, no problems before during or after the game. All passion, no BS.

As far as the game I thought Soehn made a tactical error by having Simms out wide. I understood why he did it but our weakest area was the flanks. Gros didnt add much tonight and Simms didnt even bother to go forward. He really only looks for simple balls lateral and back. That's his game, which is fine. Its just that we had nothing working out the outside. For his faults I actually thought DeRoux added alot in the game. He probably had more offensive touches that the other wingers combined all game. Up the middle we were strong. Our back line had some shaky moment but also alot of great 1 v 1 plays. Namoff in particular (sans goal) had a nice night. Carroll was off, way off. And was it me or did Perkins look a little more timid back there?

Posted by: Hops | March 16, 2007 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Perkins looked timid and I'm not surprised. We need him at full strength to have a chance. My concern with him playn with the injury too long is that he may become less aggresive even after its healed.
He played well though.

Posted by: Matt y | March 16, 2007 6:54 AM | Report abuse

How can so many writers report on this match without telling us whether the away goals rule is in effect? That is a critical detail that will inform the entire return leg.

Posted by: Dave Nelson | March 16, 2007 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Away goal rule does not apply in CONCACAF club tournaments, at least in this one. Just total goals.

Posted by: Brian | March 16, 2007 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Away leg strategy: Cattenaccio.

Steve: I couldn't attend the game or check the web last night, but great coverage by you and the WP. Not at all a one paragraph update buried after the orange ball tournament.

Why do they use an orange ball? It doesn't snow indoors?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 16, 2007 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Mountain Man Backwoods Olsen! WOW

I don't think I have ever seen him play with that much passion. For a while it was really Olsen vs. Chivas with everyone else just watching.

Goff when does Moreno come back? And who is this person who stole his jersey?

The Nats would have labeled that crowd at least 35K, but 25K last night? Seems like much more...or maybe it was just the noise.

Posted by: Southeasterner | March 16, 2007 7:31 AM | Report abuse

DCU mid-field got overrun. Chivas forwards posed a danger all game and Erpen did not deal with attacks from his side of field. That required support cover by Boswell and Namoff, opening up cross field passes, like the one causing the goal. DCU was fortunate to not lose by several goals. That said, Chivas goal looked like it was an own goal by Namoff as Bravo's shot looked wide of far post or savable by Perkins. Carroll was bad!

Posted by: Randy | March 16, 2007 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Strange, stood for 2 and half hours, cheered, saw an equalizing goal in injury time, yet don't feel excited. Very unnerving going into DCU's "house" and feeling like a visitor to Estadio Jalisco. Maybe embarrassed is the best word, because the Chivas fans clearly showed more passion through their numbers, than DCU supporters. Vamos United in the return, the Chivas defense is not impregnable. Certainly, as Olsen said, DCU is used to playing before a pro-Chivas crowd.

Posted by: griffin1108 | March 16, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

is that there is still a huge Freddy Adu picture up on the montage of Nats/United players up in the upper deck. Haha, good one DCU.

Here's what I don't understand, why do fans have to throw their beer after their team scores? That siht is expensive.

Also it was fantastic to watch all the Chivas fans get disgruntled and upset after DCU scored.

Posted by: Funny Observation | March 16, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

"How can so many writers report on this match without telling us whether the away goals rule is in effect? That is a critical detail that will inform the entire return leg."

Dude, where you been? This was asked an answered ad infinitum for the Olimpia series.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 16, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Steve-

Here's a reality check for you & the fans in DC. Last time I saw Chivas play in person (about 10 months ago), they went on the road, faced a hostile crowd and an in-form opponent and stil won 2-1.

The other team? Sao Paulo Futebol Clube, in the middle of a season that included the Brazilian title and a trip to finals of the Libertadores Cup. Chivas beat SPFC in Estadio Morumbi with 50k fans (including at least one American) raining abuse down on them. Those Goats are the real deal, and a 1-1 tie is better than SP could manage......

Posted by: Morgan P | March 16, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

what's up with moreno? he was pretty much invisible, even walker was an improvement when he got the game. i love jaime, but these past few games he just hasn't shown up.

Posted by: pat | March 16, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Steve,
What happened with Ben Olson at the end of the game? It looked like a Chivas sub ran out on the field just as the game ended and punched him in the face! He left the field holding his jaw.

Otherwise the game was great. Rough, just like a USA v Mexico with lots of tackles. DC had a lot of shots on goal and got the ball into the box, they just couldn't close the deal until the 90th minute. Not optimistic for the second leg, but DC showed a lot of heart.

Posted by: Gallegoscot | March 16, 2007 7:50 AM | Report abuse

also, any word on supsensions for the next leg? word on the street is that bravo picked up his second yellow and will be ineligible.

Posted by: pat | March 16, 2007 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Feeling fortunate about that result. Carroll, Moreno and Simms all had too many poor touches to earn a draw against a tough opponent, but Emilio saved us again.

Before we get too awed by the Goats, realize how much of the ball they had and how few quality chances resulted. Don't be fooled by clever looking possession; remember what Ray Hudson says about possession without penetration....

Finally, really impressive support for our worthy opponent. I will echo an earlier comment about how passionate it was in my section with out real animosity. Many handshakes after the match and wishes of Buena Suerte...

Posted by: JkR | March 16, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Feeling fortunate about that result. Carroll, Moreno and Simms all had too many poor touches to earn a draw against a tough opponent, but Emilio saved us again.

Before we get too awed by the Goats, realize how much of the ball they had and how few quality chances resulted. Don't be fooled by clever looking possession; remember what Ray Hudson says about possession without penetration....

Finally, really impressive support for our worthy opponent. I will echo an earlier comment about how passionate it was in my section with out real animosity. Many handshakes after the match and wishes of Buena Suerte...

Posted by: JkR | March 16, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Goff - Could you talk about what happened after the final whistle? There was some sort of scrum, and it looked like it started with Benny getting hit in the face. What exactly happened?

Posted by: Kinney | March 16, 2007 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Overall United looked okay considering we're still knocking off the offseason rust. Definitely a bit overmatched, but not bad. The first 20 minutes we looked pretty damn rough but then seemed to find our feet alright. About midway through the 2nd half our 'preseason conditioning' really started to show. Guys falling down a lot and not having the gas to hustle & pressure. Biggest disappointment for me was B. Carroll making numerous errors. Emilio is a M-O-N-S-T-E-R. If this guy Fred is nearly as good putting it in the net look out boys & girls. It's going to be a helluva ride this season. But I digress. What a crowd last night!

For game two we'll have 2 more weeks of practice & conditioning & gelling of new players and will be a better team. Will it be enough to win? Tall order, but doable. Either way, it should leave us well tuned for the start of the regular season and give us a jump on our competitors. Hopefully, we'll blast out the gates as we did last year.

Posted by: Erik | March 16, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Feel nervous about the return leg in April. Mexico is just a rough place to play as far as the smog and climate. Hopefully the boys will get aclimated well with their time in Colorado and Mexico.

I think we can pull it off but we really need to figure out how to punch through that goat hide.

Hopefully Bravo wont be able to play because of suspension.

Posted by: Goat Curry | March 16, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Is it me, or am I the only one who is not a fan of Namoff??? Second game, second bad play (stupid foul against CD Olimpia, and then late to cover someone wide open on a header, and worst off deflected the header in). I don't personally think he is all that fast, because the Chivas was running on his side all the time. He made a nice couple of runs, but didn't really do anything with them.

Regardless, Go United! Tough conditions (slippery, great team they played against, and a faux "home" game).

Posted by: John | March 16, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Caught the game at the stadium in what was clearly a pro-Chivas crowd (maybe 2 or 3 to 1). Was that Chivas goal an own goal? Caught some of the replay and I thought Bravo got a good head on it (and Namoff at best may have skimmed it) after being left loose by lousy marking. Perkins also did not handle the situation well.

As for the rest of the game, I would give the edge to Chivas merely because they had the clear shot on goal, but neither side was particularly impressive. I will note that Chivas appeared to be pressuring the ball high and often, which seemed counter to the normal play in Mexico/Latin America. I think they wanted to see whether DC's players could really hold the ball and find the open man, which unfortunately DC could rarely do.

In the first part of the second half, Chivas did well with the counter and holding possession. But after their goal, they started bunkering down a bit, and DC improved considerable. But the problem with DC is the complete lack of speed/skill out wide, permitting Chivas to clog up the middle and neutralizing Gomez, who was a non-factor (outside of the assist). DeRoux looked like the only winger who did anything, although he's a bit raw.

As for other players, Walker has no touch. He's there for speed; he should know that, just take off, and stop trying to play with the ball. Moreno was limited. Emilio did a good job, but a few times he took too long to take a shot. Simms' offensive limitations were fairly obvious. I don't know where Gros and Carroll, in particular, were. Nonexistent. Backline was so-so. I was a bit surprised that Chivas was not more effective on the wings. Namoff and Erpen lost concentration a few times, but Chivas rarely took advantage, and I didn't really see the speed from Chivas on the wings. Erpen made the typical couple of blunders, but then did the other skillful things that you just don't see from Namoff or Boswell. Erpen should be a holding midfielder in another life.

Posted by: highbury | March 16, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I think the pressure will be on the Goats to win at home. I like our chances to be competitive in the return with a chance to sneak out of there with a W. At the very least, we have hope. Thanks for keeping us alive E-unit!

Posted by: ATPinNYC | March 16, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Good, fair result. I'm a little nervous about the return leg, particularly when PUMAS comes to mind.

Our attack really never rattled them. Why oh why didn't Gomez one time the first half possession in the box!? Wet field, wet ball, put the thing on frame, man! Instead he tries to double up for a better angle and is closed off the ball. AAAA!

Our defense was fine save for a one time miscue by Namoff, although Troy could have made that save on most days.

Posted by: de | March 16, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I have to agree with the comments about Moreno - he was a liability out there last night. He's definitely lost a step or two, and Chivas completely shut him down.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 16, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice the absence of security? I even overheard two of them in the tunnel between concessions and the stands saying "I'm not going down there. It's raining"

Meanwhile, we had 40 people standing in a row for 15. None of these dudes had the tickets to be there.

Then the 2 on field security guards watch as the chubby Chivas fan runs right by them onto the pitch. Someone better wise up at RFK before a fan gets shanked.

Posted by: del | March 16, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm usually hard on Namoff, but he had an excellent game. Chivas played very well and put a ton of pressure on our defense. Give Namoff, BobbyB, and Erpen (yes Erpen) lots of credit.

Question for you, Goff: what was wrong with Carroll? It looked like the speed of play was way too fast for him. It doesn't bode well for his national team career. I think we made the right decision by subbing him instead of Simms.

Posted by: jj | March 16, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and as for DCU's DeRo and Walker...they aren't good enough for this level. DeRo doesn't know what to do with the ball, while Walker doesn't have any touch and makes bad runs (he kept bumping into Emilio).

We need depth if we're to compete with teams like Chivas. Hopefully, Fred will help.

Posted by: jj | March 16, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Everybody calm down. We did very well. We played a top team in midseason form, while being in pre-season ourselves. Gomez to Emilio is looking like Stockton-Malone! as far as I'm concerned. Add Number 99 to that mix and you have 8 goals in 3 F'ing games! Their first three real games together, mind. This is OUTSTANDING offensive production. And good, tough competition and results like this is what brings teams together. Notice Emilio's celebration? I got chills. I want him and Gomez in Black & Red forever.

Posted by: grotus | March 16, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Goff,

Any comments from Fred and what he thought about DCU and the game last night?

It was a good game. Wished for a DCU win, but it was very enteraining soccer. The crowd was great too - even if it was mostly pro-Chivas.

Posted by: Jrstriker12 | March 16, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Couple of thoughts...

Erpen had a great game. I can only think of one bad play, and it wasnt bad compared to others he had made. He needs to be given a lot of credit for the tie. Same with Boswell and Perkins.

Walker was frustrating because he was dropping into the midfield to get balls and trying to play them into Emilio. Its almost as if they told him to play Jaime's role, which Walker isnt suited for. He also isnt suited for playing the wing (like he did some last year during the Open Cup run). He is good at running behind tired defenses in the 75 minute. Thats his strength, and they should use him in that role solely.

I have a feeling when Fred shows up, we are going to see him play in multiple places: on the wing, in the center (if Gomez is injured/needs a rest/card accumulation) and hopefully behind Emilio (or Walker) in a withdrawn forward role. If anyone watched the A League final, you could see the quality of Fred's through balls/crosses to Thompson.

Thats it for now.

Posted by: the cheat | March 16, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I think Namoff had a banner game last night. Sure, he got caught on the goal, but that wasn't all his fault. He was more of an attacker than Simms was and he was mostly solid in the back.

Great game for the entire back line. Even Erpen had fewer howlers than normal, plus he got in the trademark bicycle kick. Chivas moved the ball very well and very quickly, but comparing where they are and where we are in our respective seasons and fitness levels, I think our defense held up extremely well.

Posted by: Beaker | March 16, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The only complaint I can really pin on DCU was some poor passing out of the backfield when gaining posession. You could see the extra step each of our players would take before sending a pass, which half the time would land directly at the feet of a Chivas midfielder.

That sharpness will come with time, but I think that's the big reason why we weren't able to maintain possession.

Posted by: Logan Circle | March 16, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

SUMMERS SUCKS
The game was not so bad for a preseason game. They held in there with a top Mexican team. But, we're going to get squished in Mexico as there will be quite a few more phantom yellow, and probably red, cards.

We went to Summers to catch the game rather than sit in the rain. They had it on ONE screen at the end of the bar. It was really, really pathetic for a place that claims to be soccer friendly. What the hell were they thinking?

Posted by: Dave | March 16, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

No away goal rule in CONCACAF. This was discussed at length in the previous round.

Yes, there was a postgame scuffle, but just emotions running high. Olsen said he didn't think it was a big deal.

Did you notice how quickly Chivas pressured the ball all over the field? Wow. United had no space to work. Gomez had minimal impact on the match and the rest of DCU's midfielders were not skilled enough to change the game. They work hard, but they're not going to beat ya. That's why the addition of Fred is crucial for the second leg. Nonetheless, DCU will have to improve not only their speed of play, but their speed of thought -- quicker decisions.

My player ratings:
Perkins 5
Namoff 6
Boswell 6
Erpen 5
Olsen 4
Carroll 4
Simms 4
Gros 5
Gomez 5
Moreno 4
Emilio 6

SG

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Goff is obviously employing the rarely used "Scale of 1 to 6" ratings system.

Posted by: Logan Circle | March 16, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I think it's safe to say this is Moreno's last year in mls. He was an amazing player in this league over the years, but MY GOD he is so average now . Way to slow. You guys need to put Fred with Emilio up front and throw Moreno the last 20 min. or so. I'm not bashing,it's just from what i've seen so far this year and end of last year. Moreno clearly handycapped you guys last night. GOOD LUCK in mexico....

Posted by: Anonymous | March 16, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Everyone else is praising Benny for dominating the middle.. goff gave him a 4.. hmm

Posted by: Kenny | March 16, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

%@#^#&@& ref. 6 min of added time, and all those yellows in the first half?

I guess I am the only Guadalajara fan around the blog, but anyways, it was good game and I am dissapointed Chivas could not keep the 1-0 advantage. The brazilian dood DCUtd, signed seems like a very good player and should be a great asset for the upcoming MLS season.

I still hope DCUtd get clobbered in Guadalajara though. Sorry, I'll root for DCutd in the MLS, but not against my Chivas. =p

Anyone see the Houston-Pachuca game? I didnt but pretty much Pachuca used their best lineup, pretty much the same team who won the Sudamericana back in December.

Posted by: Vic | March 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

No way I'd give Erpen a "5" on the night. That guy scared the crap out of me with his clearances back into the center of the field - he made some great passes to the Chivas strikers. And, I always sense that he loses focus or something because he'll be standing around and the ball comes to him and he doesn't know what to do with it. I'm starting to lose faith in him and think, sooner or later, he's going to cost DCU a game.

Otherwise, SG, great job as always!

Posted by: NapoleonDynamite | March 16, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

That's because Benny did not dominate the middle.

There were stretches where Ben along with Simms and Caroll did hold their own but there were bigger stretches where they were lost in a tide of Goats. A big problem is that they couldn't link up with the thre front runners. Chivas in particular did a great job on denying the ball to Gomez. The first half showed Gros open several times but Chivas adjusted in the second half.

Still United's hustle was admirable since it kept the game close. They and benny in particular didn't back down and that wazs huge.

Posted by: ursula | March 16, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Steve,

I read your story in the paper and I have to ask why the statement "pro Chivas" crowd without giving a sense of how well United was supported. Nothing on the fact that the supporters groups were in full force and sang, drummed and bounced for nearly two hours. It's as if you had the "pro Chivas" crowd line along with the paragraph explaining why so many Chivas fans were there written before the game. Sports writers don't do that, do they? Write a story about a game that hasn't happened yet? My point is that there were thousands upon thousands of DC fans there that supported there team with equal intensity. Then there was the quote that you chose at the end of the piece from Ben Olsen re: they had already played in front of a Mexican crowd. Taken all together and someone that was not at the game could reasonably conclude that United had very little support. Did you get a sense that the players were disappointed in the support of DC fans? The undercurrent theme of "people don't care enough about soccer to support the local team (in this case United) over a visiting team (in this case Chivas)" is wearing a bit thin.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Moreno was pretty awful the first half. He improved the second half, took the half chance he had pretty well with the shot on goal. But they do need more out of him overall. He seemed pretty lazy or at least unfit. And I'm a huge fan of Moreno.

Posted by: Quentin | March 16, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I was at the game last night and I thought DC looked amatuerish at best. They struggled to connect more than two passes; the movement off of the ball was non exsistent, and the decisiveness in the final third was shocking. However I am torn between which was worse,united's speed of play and ability to know where they are going before they get it or the quality of crosses from the flank. It amazes me that DC United is a professional team, but does not possess one wide player that can drive an accurate cross. As for Chivas they were solid, but could have easily been taken apart with an accurate, incisive diagonal ball. We only made their game easier by taking four and five touches each time we got the ball, which allowed them to out number the player on the ball four to one for the majority of the game. Namoff; that was a quality finish you had there, your on your way to becoming the next Jeff Agoos. Who else would run in front of their keeper to intersect a header without a pressuring forward. The only thing worse than DC United's performance was the job done by the event staff at the Stadium. The 395 entrance was worst management of a RFK parking lot I have seen, granted I have only been going to games at RFK since the Diplomats' games back in 1978. Furthermore the security staff's willingness to send my 66 year old mother around her elbow to get to her seat, when they were perfectly okay with the Chivas fans wandering wherever they want. Hi this our stadium not Jalisco. In summation it is time to adopt a Europeam tradition for big internationals like this, put the opposition fans in their own section at the stadium with seperate entrances and exits. This will allow for a louder and safer environment. Not too mention many season ticket holders like to sit in the three hundred sections and enjoy the game, whereas we payed $35 for my 66year old mother to stand for the better part of two hours.

Posted by: mlh | March 16, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mlh | March 16, 2007 10:35 AM

Well, if DCU were "amateurish" what were Chivas if they could only score an own goal against these "amateurs"? Perhaps you should stick to your European football..and buy seats in the mezzanine. Did you actually think the crowd would be sitting? Maybe a golf clap or an opera hanky or two?

Posted by: Not a Euro Snob | March 16, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I would estimate that the crowd was at least 60-40 Chivas, maybe more. Anyone else venture a guess?

DCU fans were screaming and jumping. Okay, but how is that different from any other DCU game? The extraordinary number of fans supporting the visiting team -- a fact that clearly irritated the home players -- made the crowd observations newsworthy. Sorry...

In addition to Olsen's comment, Josh Gros said: "We were supposedly playing at home, but it obviously didn't feel like that."

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I, too, was very disappointed with Summers. They must have nearly three dozen screens in the place. The one large screen that showed the United-Chivas match was at the far end of a smoke-filled area. I tried to watch it from the nonsmoking area, but it really required opera glasses. (The match was also being shown on a small screen at the end of the nonsmoking bar, but that screen was only visible from a few seats that were already taken.) I left at the half; not having FSC at home, I followed the second half play-by-play via United's Web site. In the future I may go to Grevey's, which has screens at individual tables. Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | March 16, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Olsen 4"

c'mon, that kung fu kick where he inverted completely was worth a 6 alone!

although, he did kinda give the ball up and let a goat get a nice run towards goal, but that was pretty sweet.

Posted by: pat | March 16, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Steve,

I have to agree with Dan's comment about the "pro Chivas" crowd. We came down from Philly and Western Mass respectively to respectfully support our United. Even in the 400's when United scored, there seemed to be tons of supporters around us. Plus, the only thing that Chivas fans could muster was "Chivas, Chivas" and they didn't even know the Mexican National anthem. I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't win over a few of these "pochos" to our beloved Black and Red.
Steve, be honest. Were you even at the game?

Posted by: swang | March 16, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Um, yeah, I think I was there -- walked in among thousands of Chivas fans, saw an awful lot of red-and-white jerseys and flags, felt the upper deck shake after Bravo's goal. (Surprisingly, there were even a lot of Chivas fans on the more exclusive mezzanine level.)

I'm not saying there weren't DCU fans in attendance; there were lots of em, and there would've been more if the weather had cooperated. But from my observations, there were clearly more people supporting the visiting team, which, for a DCU match, was very unusual -- and rather newsworthy.

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Steve,

But how is DC (or USMNT for that matter) being outnumbered at RFK any different either? What's newsworthy about that? That's been happening for years. What else did players have to say about fans? Did you ask them what they thought of the support from DC fans in the crowd? Let's be honest... the way a question is asked can elicit or preclude information in the response.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

As to the large number of Chivas fans on the "more exclusive mezzanine level" - you shouldn't be surprised given RFK's horrendous crowd control and ushering staff. Chivas fans were standing two people deep in some rows. Over the past several seasons, it appears that DC SEC has cutback on services and staffing while DCU continues to deliver steady gains in terms of attendance.

Posted by: Mickey | March 16, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Steve,

You esentially just said DC United is supported by a lot of "fair weathered fans" Do you really believe that? Wouldn't there have been more Chivas fans if the weather had cooperated? Or are you implying that the Chivas fans that were there are more passionate about there team? Maybe they are. Remind how long DC has been around? Chivas?

Just to make sure I understand you, a U.S. team or club playing at RFK with more folks cheering for the visitors is news? If there were more Revs, Fire, Crew or Redbulls fans there than United fans... that would be news.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

chill out dude!! there were obviously more chivas fans than united fans.

Posted by: pat | March 16, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

It's a compliment to the normal rabid attendance at DC matches that Steve has to single this game out as the notable exception. He's not saying DC fans weren't in full voice, he was noting they were surprisingly outdone by the Chivas fans. Calm down everyone.

Posted by: Logan Circle | March 16, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, and good point, the Chivas support is very newsworthy. Furthermore, many United fans were probably glued to FSC. However, it seems that in the grand scheme of things news worthy items in american soccer reports are tirelessly harpooing the "second-tier, no-fans" whale and leaving the tireless support of the Screaming Eagles, Barra Brava, and Sam's Army out of the catch.
Your game report did the same.

I am just asking for a little bit of balance by at least acknowledging the relentless singing by,our say..."the always present and overpowering DC faithful."
Admit it, the "Chivas, Chivas" chant, and the even worse, "Mexico, Mexico" chant were weak.
And, Steve, what about the story? How will this article really set us up for the rest of the season? Does reporting on the high number of Chivas fans present really develop a theme for the season? The important things about beat writing, is that there is supposed to be more than just "newsworthy events" put in the article. That's why you are a writer.

Posted by: swang | March 16, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I believe people here are giving Chivas more credit than they deserve for their play last night. While they may have been sharper than we, they were no more incisive.

The own-goal was a fluke: Perkins was perfectly positioned to make the play had it not taken the deflection off Namoff. Other than the goal, Chivas created no more than two or three half-chances. (The save they forced from Perkins in the first half and the play where Perkins had to come charging off his line in the second half are all that really come to mind.) And for all Chivas' superior speed and close-control, which I'll acknowledge, they still never seemed particularly likely to score. The game was careening toward 0-0 before the own-goal, and the only clear goal chance either team created was the one presented to and converted by Emilio.

That's not to say we played particularly well last night, or that we don't have considerable room for improvement. (I'm especially looking at you, Jaime.) But I strongly disagree with the consensus opinion that we were outclassed. It was an extremely even game, and a draw was the just result.

Posted by: asfoolasiam | March 16, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

One poster referred to being "in the 400's," and Goff referred to the upper deck shaking. Am I to understand that the upper deck is now being used, or was that for last night only? One of the reasons I was at Summers last night (a decision that I came to regret, for reasons given in my earlier post) is that there is hardly any place in the lower deck that affords a good view of the entire pitch, and I don't always care to pay through the nose for mezzanine seats.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | March 16, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Logan Circle,

I'm calm. really. The normal DC game is against other MLS teams, so I'm not sure that you can compare the two. I thought a lot of what was in the article was good, but think that additional mention of the quality of DC support would have made the article better. Some think this is trying to turn Goff into a cheerleader. I think he work's so hard not to be a cheerleader that he leaves out a real part of the United "story".

Steve, please accept this as constructive criticism as that is how it is intended.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Ditto, Dan.
This is it. The story lasts a season. I too have faith in Goff. And, I promise to support his story for United for the rest of the season. Consider me your fan Steve. Now write a good story.

Posted by: swang | March 16, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest. The players themselves say we didn't bring it. It might have sounded good in section 132, but we obviously didn't get the job done.

Potential solution: Mariachi bands.

Posted by: Arrrlington | March 16, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I though the Chivas fans were fantastic. I thought the DC fans were fantastic. I'd say it was 65/35 Chivas. They certainly got there earlier and were louder. When they scored it looked like 90/10 in the stadium. When DC scored it looked like ... well I have no idea. I was going nuts. I was down by the Barra/Eagles so it was mostly DC fans by me. But when you looked around you could see we were outnumbered. To me the real story was that it was like a party in the stands. For the most part it was all good clean fun. At times I had trouble figuring out which supporters were chanting and bouncing in the stands. I didnt care. Obviously if I heard a Spanish curse word I assumed it was from Chivas fans, but I couldn't distinguish between the Spanish chants for Chivas and the retorts by DC fans. I had fun.

Posted by: Still soaked | March 16, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

We're going in circles here on the fan issue. My observation was that Chivas fans outnumbered United fans. This is NOT a criticism of the United fans who were there -- just an observation that, for one of the few times in MLS history, a visiting team at RFK had stronger support than the home team. It probably won't happen again until perhaps SuperLiga (although that's doubtful because America and Morelia don't have nearly the following of Chivas) or when Beckham arrives. :-)

Yes, I believe, FOR THIS ONE EVENT, Chivas fans were more passionate about attending in person and supporting their team than DCU fans. Why? Because CHIVAS HARDLY EVER PLAYS ON THE EAST COAST, so if their supporters wanted to see them in person, this was their one and only opportunity.

Perhaps, given the weather conditions, some CASUAL DCU fans felt, why bother standing in the rain when I will have numerous opportunities to support the team over the next six months? (Didn't a few people comment here that they went to Summers instead of RFK last night?)

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

People forget that Moreno almost scored. He forced a good and then great save from the chivas gk

Posted by: Matt y | March 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

You never went to a Cienfuegos-led Galaxy game, then.

Posted by: RK | March 16, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I was there for all the Cienfuegos visits (and the Diaz Arce return matches).

Like I said above, for "one of the FEW times in MLS history", not the ONLY time, fans supporting the visiting team outnumbered the home team Thursday night. It happens every once in a while.

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

as someone who's been through j-school and was a former journalist.. Goff - you're dead-on - the chivas crowd was newsworthy. period. sounds like there's just some bitter DC fans wanting to complain about something. I was in SE too, my voice is rough today and I'm dead tired, so please don't question my support. Just backing Goff up.

Posted by: l st | March 16, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Those of you criticizing Goff are amusing. He's reporting on the game...he's not here to report on who sang and who didn't or who's cheers are the best. There were more Chivas fans (it was obvious just from the tv broadcast) He's not here to be a DC supporter he's a "reporter" sometimes that means reporting things you don't like. The fact there were more Chivas fans was clearly newsworthy...especially considering the higher than normal overall attendance.

Posted by: cyberthoth | March 16, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

All this drama on what team had more fans in the stands? Gimme a break. Like it hasnt been that way in the past with soccer games in this country. I bet there were more Real Madrid fans in Seattle than DCUtd, I bet there were more Chelski fans in the stands in the MLS All Star game, and I bet if the Yankees went on tour in Japan there would be more Yankee fans in the stands there too!

Posted by: Vic | March 16, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I st,

No one is bitter. I'm in the same state you are today as are the people that I went to the match with. I couldn't be happier with United pulling even at the end. I normally don't complain but felt Goff's article left your story out. I think you, me and others who supported United last night despite the conditions are newsworthy as well. Steve doesn't seem to agree and has said as much in his responses here. Fair enough. I would just suggest to you that criticism does not equate to unhappiness or bitterness. Constructive criticism is at the heart of progress in any endeavor, even journalism. All I'm doing is what is asked right below the words "Post of Comment" It seems that you think that its ok for me to analyze and comment on just so long as I don't challenge. I think I'll stick to doing all three if that's ok with you.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

in any event, despite standing in a puddle for 2 hours, it was a complete and utter BLAST being at the game. sloppy football, raucous atmoshpere, great finish. obviously we have an uphill battle in the next leg, but you can't beat it for pure entertainment.

chivas came to win this one, and though, yes, we were disjointed and mistake-prone (poor passing in the midfield, trouble penetrating in the final third), we showed some grit and acquitted ourselves pretty well.

Posted by: fever | March 16, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

You "fans" who are more interested in Steve Goff validating your fandom than anything else are pretty sad. Get over yourselves. He's a reporter, not your nanny ready to give you a piece of candy and pat on the head when you don't feel so good about yourself. Deal with the reality - Chivas is a massively supported club. Their fans come out in large number wherever they go. That doesn't invalidate what you do, it's just reality. Maybe next time, you should bring your blankie to the game if you're feelings are gonna get hurt.

Posted by: Brian | March 16, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually enjoying these exchanges. I always welcome constructive criticism and, of course, support.

Nice flow of ideas and opinions! Good stuff, folks.

Keep it going!

SG

:-)


Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Steve,

Here's my take on the fan situation. Drove ~100 miles to Vienna, then metro-ed in from there(first pt. on metro). I was surrounded by Mexicans from the very onset, i.e. I'm the only one wearing DCU regalia. I notice that only two of the ~50 mexicans in the car were sporting the Chivas colors. I asked a few people sitting beside me who they support back home and received varied answers: Monarcas Morelia, Club America, etc. Then, half an hour later, I arrive at the Stdium Armory stop. Walking up to the stadium I notice maybe 10 DCU fans and 100's of Mexicans. About half of the Mexicans were wearing National team jersies and the other half were wearing Chivas colors. I start thinking: well, the Chivas and Mexican National team jersies are basically interchangable (to a certain extent), but a true Chivas fan would actually buy the Chivas jersey. Once the game starts, I'd estimate there were 70 percent Mexicans (35 percent Chivas fans, other 35 percent non-Chivas, but supporting Chivas anyway) and 30 percent DCU fans. So yes, you were correct in that the Mexicans were more passionate about "attending in person". During the game, I would say that the Mexicans (even in spite of their large numbers) did an inadequate job of supporting Chivas. On two or three occasions, they strung together and "Ole, Ole" or "Chivas, Chivas", but it was very weak. On the other side of the aisle, I and the other DCU fans surrounding myself were singing the whole game and did not cease to stop (save at halftime). I think the Mexicans found us a very curious spectacle: a whole bunch of people singing for an MLS team that only 11 years old! Imagine that!!!;)

Posted by: Dave the Wave | March 16, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but did you guys see how many people we converted once Esky scored that goal at home (Seattle I mean) against Real Madrid??? QWest Field literally exploded! I don't think that's ever happened in the history of soccer (recent history at least!). And yeah, folks, the DCU fans (from what I could see) at RFK last night supported their team extremely well, but were outnumbered by the Mexicans. Why don't you just leave it at that...do you really expect Goff to be a perfect reporter!?! I mean, really, you people are sooo spoiled! You should be happy that you even have a "soccer" reporter. So many other cities don't have that, let alone someone who's good at it. Peace.

Posted by: SeattleDCU | March 16, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

It seems that you're more interested in practicing your ability to ridicule those that you don't agree with than actually having a productive discussion. Basically you represent everything that is wrong with the anonymous nature of the internet and the more you and people like you post on this blog the worse it will get. I would hope that your post is removed as it adds nothing to the discussion and is simply a snide personal attack leveled at numerous people. I feel bad that you have the kind of life that has made you angry enough that you have to use a blog as an outlet.

Posted by: Brian | March 16, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

How do our penalty-takers stack up against Chivas's?

Posted by: asfoolasiam | March 16, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I resemble that remark. ;)

Well, considering people are basically impugning Steve's professionalism because their feelings are hurt, I think my comments are kind of tame.

Sometimes, soccer fans deserve the reputation they get from mainstream sports fans. So what if Steve correctly observed that there were more Chivas fans than DC fans?

Posted by: Brian | March 16, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

This is like when a movie critic says I'm a bad actor. There are so many people who agree, but there's always that loyal group who disagrees no matter what. Goffer, Goffer, "I wanna live!!!";)

Posted by: Tiberius Kirk | March 16, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

ummm... that post was from me to Brian. You'd think I was like 75 trying to use this technology stuff. ;)

Steve thanks for your thoughts. These exchanges are good. I knew my initial comments would get people going to an extent but felt strongly enough about my point. Thanks for accepting it and giving us your take in return.

What do you and others think about the idea that DC may have been more successful by by-passing the Chivas midfield. There were several times in the second half that Emelio looked back, possibly with the hope that the defenders would play a long ball or two for him to run on to. Our guys were just used to playing through midfield and why wouldn't they be. But, if Emilio can be played through with success, he might be able to notch a goal or two.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

In Goff's defense, any time you read about teh Yankees visiting Camden Yard there is always a comment about "The pro-yankee crowd was silenced by yet another A-Rod error".
At least Chivas doesn't play at RFK 20 times a year.


Posted by: Rocko | March 16, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Brian,

You've got to be kidding right? Impugning Steve's professionalism? Completely the opposite. Steve is being successful with this blog because he is quite the professional. His comments and responses reflect that in stark contrast to your own.

But... I digress. Steve asked for our predictions on the second leg? yes? DC shocks Chivas either 3-1 or 1-0 I can't decide.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Goff's a journalist. It's not his job to pander to DCU fans....

Now, Goff, is also meant to be a soccer expert, and he's usually very good. Olsen at a 4, though...that's insane. He kept us in the game. He was the man of the match.

Posted by: jj | March 16, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Rocko,

I get your point, but an analogous situation for DC would be if Red Bulls fans invaded RFK and we all know that will never happen. What might happen is United fans at the new Red Bull Stadium being louder than that team's supporters. I would hope in that circumstance that the media up there would cover that story.

Posted by: Dan | March 16, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Goffster,

Do you know if the post-match scuffle was noted on the match report sent in by the referee?

Will there be any repercussions to either the Chivas Keeper, their #7, or perhaps Olsen?

Will anybody other than Bravo miss the next game due to yellow card accumulation (I thought Gomez received a card in a previous game but no one else has mentioned it, my memory may be faulty)?

Thanks as always for the excellent (and accurate) reporting!

Posted by: Rick in Ashburn | March 16, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Rick in Ashburn,

Gomez did not receive a card in the second leg of the Olimpia series (at least according to the box score on mlsnet.com). In regards to Bravo: In the second leg of the W Connection - Chivas series, the only Chivas player that was booked was Hector Reynoso (see box score on concacaf.com), so Bravo and Gomez will both be playing at Estadio Jalisco in the second leg.

Steve,
Will you be at Estadio Jalisco for the second leg??? That would be sooo cool!

Posted by: Dave the Wave | March 16, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Bravo is suspended for the next match. He's the only one, as far as I know.

CONCACAF will review the postgame scrum, I'm sure.

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If DCU had won, I would've considered going to the second game. But with a tie, not so sure. We'll probably save the travel money for, if necessary, the Champions' Cup finals or other international stuff this summer (Gold Cup, u-20s, etc).

Posted by: Goff | March 16, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"" and the only clear goal chance either team created was the one presented to and converted by Emilio.""

Troy made a great one handed save early.

Their keeper made a great one handed on a solid shot by Moreno (?).

Posted by: d | March 16, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

United fans enjoy the best organization in MLS when it comes to commitment to winning, have the best media coverage, and have one of the best blogs to get inside info on an exciting team. Your team has a real chance at advancing to the Cup finals and most of you are arguing about who has better supports and what SG meant by this or that, instead of discussing the game and the second leg.

Fans: "WAHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHH"
Babysitter: "Do you need to spend some time in time out?"

Posted by: The babysitter | March 16, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Dave the Wave's post regarding the Chivas fans' ability (or lack thereof) to convert their superior numbers into unified, passionate support during the match. I was on the fringe of Section 133 with the DCU supporters and there appeared to be a large Chivas group just to our right (toward the North goal) - not to mention the upper deck, which seemed to be 90% Chivas fans. I was especially surprised that they didn't seem able to sustain their enthusiasm after Chivas went up 1-0. Either way it was a GREAT atmosphere and I concur that the attitude among all fans was all passion and no spite or malice.

Posted by: Barth | March 16, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

RE: Summers
It was the start of the friggin' NCAA. I love DC United and was at the game, but we're still outnumbered as sports fans in America and Summers is a "Sports" bar, not Soccer bar. I know of other places in DC that are soccer friendly (Lucky's, Pour House, etc.), but with March Madness, I'm not sure if they'd be any better.
[Go to Summers on a weekday afternoon or weekend morning for European games and the crowds are great.]

Posted by: Gallegoscot | March 16, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

It was, indeed, a great atmosphere. I just wish more wouldn't stop at places like Summers when United is playing such an important game...they belong standing with us in the rain.

I thought the Chivas/Mexico supporters were a great addition to the atmosphere and agree that there was a sense of friendly competition but not animosity [excepting a few not so softly presented chants coming from certain DC supporter groups about performing a certain act on Chivas :-)].

La Barra Brava's drum circle had an interesting impact on the visitors...I saw facial expressions that ranged from delight to amusement to caution about getting too close. There was an interested crew on the ramp above making good use of their cell-phone cameras.

I'm just hoping that some of those Chivas fans who live in the DC area were entertained enough last night to return to RFK to become United fans. Their passion would be a welcome addition.

Posted by: seahawkdad | March 16, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I saw fred last night....hes rather short isnt he?

overall great game, great atmosphere, crappy weather

Posted by: pvp | March 16, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Try the Childe Harold off Dupont Circle for a place to drink and watch the games. Small bar, but knowledgable crowd. Been watching football there since the 94 WC. I'm overseas now, but always head back there when in town.

Posted by: Troy | March 16, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I came from Philly to watch the match.

I thought the stadium was 75%/25% in favor of Chivas supporters.

If your player rating scale is 1 to 10, I would have given the DC players across the board +1 from your ratings.

I expected the Washington Post to give NCAA basketball the most prominent coverage but couldn't the paper have given this game at least some space on the sports front page? The local and most successful US professional soccer franchise since this league's formation, in a match attended by a crowd -- despite inclement weather -- that is larger than any local basketball or hockey game, played against a top Mexican soccer club with the stakes being in the finals to determine which club will represent CONCACAF in December against the most successful clubs from every other continent. Isn't this worthy of better story placement/coverage?

Posted by: 12th man | March 16, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"Troy made a great one handed save early.

Their keeper made a great one handed on a solid shot by Moreno (?)."

They were good saves, but I didn't think either shot was much better than a half-chance. You certainly couldn't suggest that either team missed a sitter.

Posted by: asfoolasiam | March 16, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

...and I believe that Troy save you mentioned was the only one he had to make all night.

Posted by: asfoolasiam | March 16, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Chivas vs. America on Sunday!

For DCU fans this is another great chance to scout the two big clubs we are going up against this season.

BTW wore a DCU shirt to the Mana concert last night and had a log of great compliments, DC created a lot of new fans on Thursday night.

Posted by: Southeasterner | March 17, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

12th Man:

As always, comments about story placement and space allocation should be directed to the sports editors at sports@washpost.com

SG

Posted by: Goff | March 17, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I got the same response from my Mexican friends. They were surprised and impressed with DC.

Posted by: Matt y | March 17, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

To all the so-called Barra Brava fans who just stand there like zombies most of the time move to the quite side. We are there to give VOCAL support. To many last nite were not up to standard. And if you have a flag ,try waving it more than once or twice. When DCU are down ,they need us the most. As for the crowd over all ,it was DCU fans vs. Chivas & Mexican fans. A team against a country.

Posted by: Tileman | March 17, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

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