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The Shalrie Watch

Depending on who you believe, the Revolution has been contacted by either two or four other MLS teams about disgruntled midfielder Shalrie Joseph.

Personally, I don't think he's going anywhere, but if an offer is strong enough, perhaps he gets moved. Only 17 days until the openers!

Which club needs him most?

By Steve Goff  |  March 21, 2007; 4:32 PM ET
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The Redskins!

Posted by: Who needs Shalrie? | March 21, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Dallas just got rid of Mulrooney. Hmmmm...

Posted by: Monroe (SF) | March 21, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

He's just unhappy that he didn't have a launch party last night.

Posted by: ohboyohboy | March 21, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

He's going nowhere...including Celtic. If the Revs are going to not let MLS transfer him, then they obviously want him. His agent is just using the media to bloody the Revs front office. In the end, they reach a somewhat happy middle ground and he'll play for the Revs....or he'll go to Dallas.

Posted by: Smoke Screen | March 21, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I think this is the beginning of the "Dempsey B%^ch" cycle. You throw a fit, play out the season, then transfer at the end of the year.

Oh, then you disappoint.

Then you pop n lock.

Posted by: Logan Circle | March 21, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The club that needs Shalrie the most is New England. The question is, how much do the Revolution, as an organization, feel they need Shalrie?

Posted by: Evan | March 21, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

who needs shalrie joseph? well, new england doesnt need a disgruntled player. dallas doesnt need a player who is just sticking it to his former club. celtic obviously doesnt need him that badly... i think mr joseph needs to start thinking about who he needs and start acting accordingly. although he could pull a dempsey and disappear into second team european anonimity when the next opportunity arises.

Posted by: moses | March 21, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Goff - have you heard the news out of Virginia Beach (USL) about missed paychecks and their majority owner pulling out (reported in the Pilot today)? I'm not sure if it's quite in your coverage area, but it seems like there's a story there.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Rocko | March 21, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Not surprised about Virginia Beach. The club has been in bad shape for a while. Just ask Mark Simpson about the problems down there.

Posted by: Goff | March 21, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to swap Carroll for Joseph. Our midfield would be sick...

Posted by: Nick | March 21, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Steve you are usually more tuned in than this...absolutely Joseph is gone from NE. He and his agent went public and that's the death of the relationship with the team. Dallas didn't move Mulrooney and clear other cap space w/o a plan...that plan is Joseph and a DP.

Posted by: tex | March 21, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Can't say I understand enough about the intricacies of player movements, relationships with agents, teams, and leagues to be able to predict with any sense of confidence where Joseph lands, if he were to leave.

But I can say that Dallas really really needs him and they seem to have the space roster-wise and salary cap-wise to make it happen. Chivas USA could also use a bona fide enforcer in front of Suarez, but I don't see them tinkering too much with what they've got.

Having said all that, I have to agree with the people who say he isn't going anywhere. If Kraft won't let him go to Celtic, why would they let him go to Dallas?

Posted by: nathanhj | March 21, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Any chance that DCU makes a move for Joseph?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The key is that Kraft wouldn't let him go to Celtic. I would think that this public feud would mean that Joseph is very unhappy. Does that transfer to the field and the clubhouse? I think it might. So, Dallas is mentioned by some folks. Chivas USA once. That could be two. But what other teams. I've heard discussions about how young Columbus is. Could they use a solid d-mid like SJ?

Posted by: Dan | March 21, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

There are two issues here: Would NE be willing to trade him (and, despite the poisoned air, I'm not so sure they are)? And if so, could they pull it off?

Joseph wants 300K per season, plus generous incentives and guarantees. And when the contract is up, he might bolt for Europe. Is there another MLS team willing to take on that financial responsibility and take a chance of him leaving in two years? And if they are willing, would they be willing to send substantial players/picks/allocation cash to NE?

Posted by: Goff | March 21, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

NE should have sold him when they had the chance. I wonder if they attempted to up the offer at all like say 1.5 or 2 million? To me that's better than trading him to a team for another player and a draft pick. If big clubs come calling players are not going to want to stay in MLS.

Posted by: corey | March 21, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Dallas was going to struggle with that poor defense even if they kept Mulrooney. Now that they traded him, they are probably the worst team defensively in MLS. They need Shalrie Joseph like I need oxygen.

I feel that if Dallas offers up the 1st round pick and allocation/salary cap money they got from Toronto, along with one of Roberto Mina, Abe Thompson, or Dominic Oduro, AND agrees to give the Revs a cut of any transfer fee gained by selling Joseph on, you'll see a deal. Otherwise, he stays in New England and Dallas does its best to set a league record for goals conceded.

Chivas is looking at a 433 and has Jesse Marsch, Sacha Kljestan, Amado Guevara, and Francisco Mendoza all fighting for starting spots. Joseph would undoubtedly be an upgrade, but like DC, it's not a big need for them.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | March 21, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Can't see DCU going for he better than Simms, Carroll or Olsen? Yes, probably.

Is he better than either of those three AND the player they could sign for the extra 200K they'd be spending? Uhhhhh....

Posted by: matt | March 21, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I would not trade Carroll for Joseph. For starters, Carroll - after his quick trip around Europe - wants to be here. I think Joseph just wants to be somewhere to get paid and leverage his move to Europe. He's very good, but I don't think he's that incredible of an upgrade over what we have at Dmid and he'd cost a lot to acquire.

Posted by: Brian | March 21, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Joseph's contract is already for 2 more years. If he gets a pay raise to 300k, he's going to have to extend his commitment to MLS. So if a team trades for him and re-signs him, they'll have him for at least 4 years. In MLS roster building terms, that's as good as forever.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 21, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Houston - sounds crazy but with the fixture congestion this year and with all of the callups for national team competitions, they could use depth at the d-mid and d-back areas. Plus, it sounds like if you could get him in a trade its not an automatic extension-type deal so you could approve a January transfer and get some of an allocation back if you let him go.

Posted by: JJ | March 21, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Dallas makes the most sense given the Richard Mulrooney trade (and salary cap $ that went in the process) and the failed Edgar Davids deal. If you look at what they got for Mulrooney (partial allocation and a 1st rounder) and what KC gave to Dallas for another seemingly Euro-bound "star" player (Eddie Johnson - for a major allocation), the market rate for Joseph is probably a bit more than either of those two players - perhaps a major allocation and 1st rounder (and/or a younger roster) player of which Dallas has many of them). Plus, NE would probably be more inclined (if they have to deal Joseph) to send him out West as opposed to keeping him in the East with NY.

Posted by: Zman | March 21, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

hey, there are two jjs on here now!

No way he goes. Revs showed with the Dempsey fiasco that they don't care about how this looks in the press. They're cheap, and they can't get anyone better for $150K/year.

Posted by: jj | March 22, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Difference between Joseph and Dempsey is that Dempsey wanted out of MLS while Joseph seems to be willing to stay in MLS (with another team) although his tenure may be short before heading across the pond.

Posted by: Zman | March 22, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

The Red Bulls will try to sign him, because they try to sign everyone. Just the other day, they tried to sign me, and I'm like, "No dudes, you must chill."

Posted by: Joe S. | March 22, 2007 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Take that "Pilot" article w/ a certain degree of salt. Yes, there are problems in Mariners country, but the author of that piece, Tris Wykes,has had it in for that team ever since one of the players decked him a few years ago after putting outright lies about the team in the paper.

Posted by: El Diablo | March 22, 2007 8:04 AM | Report abuse


I've read that Joseph is looking for a salary around 300k and bonuses in the 50k range. Can you tell us how the bonuses affect the team's salary cap? Are they exempt from the cap? If so, why don't some of the wealthier clubs pay low salaries with high (and easily achievable) bonuses as a way around the cap?


Posted by: Mount Pleasant | March 22, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

NE won't trade Shalrie to any team in the East because that hurts their chances to make the playoffs. It may be a moot point because the Revelosers couldn't win anything even with Ronaldinho, Henry, and either one of the Ronaldos.

If they do trade him at all, they might as well shoot Twellman in the foot, because without Shalrie and Dempsey to trouble defenses, Twellman is just a guy with big teeth in his big head.

Posted by: I-270 Exit 1 | March 22, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I think Shalrie just realized that NE would never let him leave for Europe, and when his contract expires in 2 years, he'll be too old for most of the upper-tier teams in Europe.

Posted by: AlecW81 | March 22, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

El Diablo - well noone is denying that paychecks were missed. Coach Clark has said that now the coaches and players are no longer contract. In "pro" sports - that's unacceptable.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

NE could trade Shalrie to another team with a clause that guarantees them either the majority of his future transfer fee (ala Freddy Adu to RSL) or a minimum amount of money if he is transferred again within a certain period of time.

Posted by: Diego R. | March 22, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

FC Dallas already brought in Juan Carlos Toja to replace Mulrooney. And at that I don't see how Joseph and Mulrooney are playing similar roles in the midfield.

Now if you want to speculate that FC Dallas is looking to bring Joseph in to replace Simo.....

Posted by: Allen | March 22, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey JJ(2) - Dy-no-mite!!!

Posted by: JJ | March 22, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse


Toja is a playmaker (and a left-sided one,at that). Joseph and Mulrooney are defensive midfielders. Yes, MLSnet ran that article that implied Toja would replace Mulrooney, but the same article had direct quotes from Steve Morrow saying that Toja would be a left midfielder for Dallas. Who do you want to believe, the coach of the team or the beat writer for the league website?

No one is saying that Joseph and Mulrooney are exactly alike, but they are both defensive midfielders. Neither is a totally defensive player, like Valakari, but the main strength both have is breaking up other teams' attacks.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | March 22, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

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