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Predictions, Predictions

What unfolds tonight at Estadio Jalisco?

I'm going with 2-1, Chivas.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that, one way or another, Simms ends up in the starting lineup. Meaning he'll either be paired with Olsen in defensive midfield and Carroll sits, or Olsen stays out wide, Simms and Carroll are together and Fred is saved for the second half. Just a hunch...

Thoughts on the match?

By Steve Goff  |  April 3, 2007; 9:10 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

I'm going 1-0, Chivas.

No offensive goals scored as Bobby Boswell heads the only goal into his own net off a corner.

Posted by: James | April 3, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

11-2 United. Fred with 3, Emilio with 2, Gomez with 2, Carrol with 1, Moreno with 1, Olsen with 1, and Gros with 1.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | April 3, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I seem to remember everyone doubting our chances in Honduras as well. Yes, I know Olympico is no Chivas, just pointing out that not many liked our chances then either, and look how that turned out.

3-2, goals from Fred, Emilio, and Gomez. We make history tonight.

Posted by: jpeace121 | April 3, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

2-1 United on a late game cross from Fred to Emilio. Kevin Payne watches the goal and pees a little from excitement.

Posted by: Logan Circle | April 3, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I agree, I see DC United pulling off the upset 2-1. Chivas will be playing without theuir target striker, Omar Bravo. That is a huge blow to Chivas. They will miss his nose for the goal throughout the game. Gomez and Emilio will score for United.

Posted by: DC United Fan | April 3, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

2-1 to United. Chivas scores first then are shocked by two second half goals from Gomez and Emilio.

Posted by: Chico | April 3, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I'd go with Simms, Carroll, and Olsen. Use Fred as a super-sub. I bet he replaces Moreno in the 60th minute.

Posted by: jj | April 3, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

united wins in penalties

Posted by: littles | April 3, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Steve, any idea who and from where the ref is?

Posted by: Chico | April 3, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

united wins on pk's!

also, after misprouncing "namm-off" and calling boswell "erpen" throughout the game, FSC loses their feed at the 72nd minute.

Posted by: pat | April 3, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

According to the CONCACAF site, the referee is from Panama: http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/champscup/viewArticle.asp?id=3743

Posted by: Tim | April 3, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

1-1, Chivas wins 8-7 in penalties.

Posted by: B.A. | April 3, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I agree. 1-1 and it goes to penalties. Ugly game, uglier ending.

Penalties are a crapshoot, so no winner prediction.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

If Chivas scores first, 2-1 Chivas. If United scores first 3-1 United. In both cases the team up 1-0 will go up 2-0 as the opponent searches for the equalizer.

United will score first on an Emelio header off a cross from Fred.

United will score again as Gomez plays Fred in on a counter.

some dude for Chivas will score.

United will add the insurance goal late, again from Emilo on a break away counter.

If all this happens someone has to buy me a beer at the very least.

Ok Steve, out with it. You said "sneaking suspicion" and "just a hunch". I think you know more than you're saying.

Posted by: Dan | April 3, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

DC Wins 2-0. Goals By Emilio and Gomez, with both assisted by Fred.

Posted by: Yo Its Me | April 3, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

2-0 DC, and they hold on for the win since Nicky Rimando isn't able to make ill advised flaps in the box this time around. (yes i'm still bitter)

Posted by: d, dc | April 3, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

1-0 DC. Emilio takes a soft shot that should be easy for the Chivas goalie to stop but it somehow goes through his legs. In the last few seconds of stoppage time Bofo has a chance to tie it for Chivas but kicks it wide right. Unfourtunatly after the game we find out that Emilio is out for the season opener because of a concussion he got while celebrating after he headbutts the goal post.

Posted by: Bills | April 3, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Penalties?? There are not going to be PKs. That would be very unlikely. Home crowd advantage I think will be key.

Posted by: DC fan | April 3, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I like the optimism.

If we don't score first, forget it, the game will be over. We proved in the first match that we have little idea how to penetrate their tight defense.

Hopefully some choice set pieces will put us on top.

From Chivas website, in which they say they need to score first so they can essentially sit on the lead and counter--because it will force DC to open space:

Gonzalo Pineda, habla sobre su rival de mañana, al cual espera de la siguiente manera: "El DC United será un rival muy complicado, yo espero un juego muy trabado con un rival muy intenso, que peleará todas las pelotas y nosotros debemos salir con mucha intensidad para hacerles daño".

La clave para Pineda Reyes será: "Anotar primero, ya que de esa manera los obligaremos a que dejen espacios y con la velocidad de nuestros delanteros podemos definir la eliminatoria a nuestro favor".

Posted by: delant | April 3, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Projected starting formation:

------------Perkins
Simms---Namoff---Erpen---Boswell
Gomez---Gros-----Fred------Olsen
--------Moreno----Emilio

What? Oh, no, sorry, that's the projected FSC starting formation *graphic*

Posted by: Talion | April 3, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

1-0 Good guys. Moreno with a pk. In the other game - Dynamo lose 1-0 but advance for an all MLS CCC Final.

Posted by: London Dan | April 3, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Not to be the doubting thomas, but I'm going with Chivas 3-0. I suspect they'll score early on some major Erpen breakdown. Then they'll go into the bunker and score twice in the second half on counters.

That said, if we do score a goal, I think it's going to come from someone totally unlikely like Olson or Gros. They'll be totally keyed in on all our big guns, and someone implausible could hustle themselves into a nice goal.

Posted by: edgeonyou | April 3, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Even without Bravo, I'm still a little worried about Bozo Batista. But I'll jump on the 2-1 United badwagon......an all MLS final I doubt happens, so to keep United alive I'll also predict Houston crumbles.

Posted by: Piney Orchard | April 3, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I have to agree with delant. If United scores first then the game is close and could go either way, but if Chivas scores first it gets ugly and ends 3-1 or 4-1. Even thought the ref is from neutral Panama, I expect it to be a typical US v. Mexico game with more like the end-of-game drama from RFK, only starting at the 20 minute point with the calls going against us most of the time. This could be the start of a great North American rivalry, especially if we pull the upset, which is really what it would be.

Posted by: LeesburgSoccerFan | April 3, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

While I hope that DC can win this, my head tells me that Chivas will get at least two goals - one from the ref and one from their play. They are a good team and will be playing at home with altitude and home crowd support. However, I think DC has the guns to score a couple (Remember Santiago!) so hopefully we can nick a third goal or win on penalties!

Come on United!

Posted by: DCFan | April 3, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I'll go with 3-1 to Chivas, who, in their arrogance, plays Bravo causing CONCACAF to overturn the result. :)

Posted by: Goose | April 3, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

only 10.5 hours til gametime - and i can't concentrate on work already!

Posted by: pat | April 3, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

If DC wins, I will streak down Connecticut Avenue.

Posted by: DC Fan | April 3, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

2-0 United in a shocker. Things will be thrown from the stands. OK, that will happen no matter the score :-)

Posted by: Lonnie | April 3, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Impossible for Chivas not score at least one goal at home. I predict an early Chivas goal and a respectable performace by DCU, but I think DCU can win. Not sure of the odds, but they can. That said, Chivas 3-2. But an entertaining game.

Posted by: T. Henry | April 3, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I can see a game changing give away by Erpen. I just hope to Christ the wheels dont fall off and we can recover from it.

Come on DC!

Posted by: Union Square | April 3, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Did Boswell get as much crap as Erpen when he was scoring all those own goals?

Posted by: Chico | April 3, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

1 - 0 United. Late goal by..

JAMIL WALKER!

who will be subbed in for Jaimie in the 75th.

A few yellows on both sides, a red for the Goats.

Posted by: Kenny | April 3, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

a red card for a goat in guadalajara? april fools day was sunday dude!

Posted by: pat | April 3, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

2-1 for United Nations. Goals by Kofi Annan (44') and Ban Ki-Moon (77'). Chivas goal scored by Javier Perez de Cuellar (52').

The match will be replayed because Russia vetoed the result.

Posted by: I-270 Exit 1 | April 3, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

2-1 DC. Going to be brutal, very ugly, with a lot of cards. anyone know what places on the hill will be showing the game? finn mac? pour house?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The Barra will be at RFD's near the Verizon. Finn's will also be showing the game.

Posted by: Chico | April 3, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I understand Kilroy's at Braddock Road off 495 will have a showing of United faithful.

Posted by: del | April 3, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Chivas 0 : DC Utd 1 : Refs : 1

Chivas wins on PKs. :-(

Posted by: la_chingada | April 3, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah Chico, I remember Boswell taking a LOT of crap for those own goals.

Posted by: Goose | April 3, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

YuP, the Barra Brava has reserved the tent in back of Kilroy's in Springfield. The tent holds about 100 and has a widesceen overhead projection tv. Drink and food service are also available out there.

Posted by: Barra Brava | April 3, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

DC United is "in the zone" as they were against the Crew in the '99 playoffs. The magic triangle is resurrected as the magic rhombus and can do no wrong. A golazo-hat trick for Emilio, a backheel-nutmeg by Moreno for another tally, and Erpen unleashes a bomb from 35 years that bends into the upper right corner. Chivas can hardly get it out of their own end. DC United, the greatest football club in the history of the United States, rolls on.

Posted by: Ron | April 3, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Rofl, these posts are all hilarious, keep it up.

2-1 D.C. Fred with both assists, Emilio and Gomez to score. Bofo with a scorcher from twenty five yards.

Posted by: Dan | April 3, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Chico, Boswell took way more crap. How could you not when you set a league record for own goals?!? He lived and learned, and now he's the one thing about our defense that we're not at all worried about, except if he God-forbid were to have an injury. We'd all become very religious that very second. Now that we've all predicted the final score, what say the peanuts about the number of cards? I think the ref is going to need to attach a supplemental sheet to his book with 2 reds and 7 total yellows. The Chivas red will be well-deserved, but the DCU red will be a lame make-up call to keep the ref alive long enough to get out of the stadium in one piece.

Posted by: LeesburgSoccerFan | April 3, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Based on history, I predict we will play a conservative lineup and a conservative game, and garner a conservative result in Mexico--a loss.

Posted by: Nick | April 3, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

What will happen... Chivas 1 DC 0 (Bofo gets a lucky deflection, off Erpen, from a shot outside the box)

What I want to happen... DC 3 Chivas 0 (DC making Chivas look like the old Toledo Slayers of the USL Developmental league, and Fred will get his first taste of Corona...from an aerial attack out of the stands)

I want to see DC in the FIFA Club World Cup!!!

Posted by: Toledo | April 3, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Given how defensive the first game was, here's my completely baseless prediction:

End of Regulation:
DC United 1 : 1 CD Guadalajara

Goals:
30 - DC United - Christian Gomez
72 (pk) - Guadalajara - Alberto Medina

Game Prediction notes:
The game will be full of reckless fouls and cards. From one of the fouls, Gomez will put DC United ahead off a set piece. The game will get even uglier after half as Chivas starts to get frustrated with United's defensive posture. Chivas will dominate most of the game, using their superior ball movement to stretch United. This strategy will allow Chivas to "earn" a penalty in the second half as Namoff is forced into a reckless situation. With the game tied, and momentum with the home team, Chivas will turn up the pressure yet again, leading DC to make several defensive subs (as they try to hold on for penalty kicks). With the defensive subs in, DC turns to a 5-4-1 formation, with Gomez, Fred, and Jamil making up the bulk of DC United's attack. The strategy pays off for United as they survive the rest of regulation and OT for the penalty kicks, however, a lack of sufficient PK takers, exhausted (not quite game shape) players, in addition to Chivas' home field advantage, ends up being too much for the visitors as Chivas wins on PKs 4-2.

Posted by: TCompton | April 3, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"the DCU red will be a lame make-up call to keep the ref alive long enough to get out of the stadium in one piece"

-- not if Big Rob can get hold of him!

DC wins an intense game -- we're due, Chivas is not (momentum-wise). I don't care about the score I just pray to Warner that the referee is impartial (HAH!!).

Posted by: GrillMaster | April 3, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

As a realist, I would think that our best outcome is likely a draw followed by PKs, which would give Perkins the chance to repeat Rimando's heroics in the 2004 Eatern Conference final against NE. Unfortunately, Perkins does not have a great record in PKs (do not recall any saves - Perkins gave up a bunch of PKs in 2006 as well as some in 2005 (mostly the PK shoot-out with FCD at the Soccerplex). If I recall correctly, he did have a Twellman PK post shot miss in early 2004.

Posted by: Eric Z | April 3, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

1-1 tie and then who knows in pks...

Posted by: m | April 3, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

2-0 DC United. Ben Olsen gets cold-cocked after the game by the Chivas bench after taunting them in Spanglish about how Mexicans always lose 2-0.

Posted by: soccer nerd | April 3, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Chivas fans rush the field and score three goals. DCU wins by forfeit.

Posted by: madbelgian | April 3, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

2-1 United win. If not 2-2 penalties United win...

Posted by: MightyMouse | April 3, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

2007 will be the year of repeates. DC goes down 5-0 a la Pumas '06.

Chivas is pissed to lose Blanco to the North and play for revenge. DC lets in 2 early goals and panics.

BTW I can't wait for a renewed Blanco vs. Olsen matchup all season long :-) thank you soccer gods

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 3, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

United 3-1. 2 Goals by Gomez, 1 by Moreno.

---And DC Fan gets the business end of a nightstick by one of DC's finest after streaking through town...

Posted by: Kozy | April 3, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I just checked out the game preview on a newspaper in Guadalajara.
A quote from their coach:
"Espero al mismo equipo contra el que jugué hace 15 días, que es muy complicado y muy fuerte, que seguramente buscará explotar sus capacidades. Además, toma con seriedad este choque, pues llegó diez días antes (de la cita) como muestra de que quiere participar en el Mundial de Clubes".

very politic of him.

Posted by: bribri | April 3, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

There is alot of Erpen hatred. I predict that if we lose it will not be Erpen's fault, but people will find a way to blame him anyways

Posted by: vertualvice | April 3, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I predict 3-2, United wins. Luciano Emilio scores off a nice assist from Fred. Gomez scores a solo goal. And the game winner is scored by Olsen off an assist by Fred.

Posted by: Dave the Wave | April 3, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey southeastener, the Pumas game was in '05 and Blanco plays for Club America, Chivas's arch rivals:) A valiant effort from DC, but I say 1-0 Chivas from a goal in the 87th minute, followed by
Olsen recieving his second yellow.

Posted by: Drunken Duncan | April 3, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I think United's best chance is to win 1-0. They withstand early pressure, and get either a late first half or early second half goal from a set piece, possibly a scrum around the box after the initial shot is saved and either Emilio or someone unlikely like Gros knocking it in. If Chivas gets a goal back and it goes to extra time, they have the momentum and crowd while DC has tired legs, and Chivas finds a winner in OT.

Posted by: G-Dub | April 3, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

CD Guadalajara 1:2 DC United

Early goal (like within 5 minutes) for Chivas. We hold on until halftime. They are complacent in the second half thinking they can protect the slim lead, and like thunder and lighting, Emilio and Gomez steal the game in the 87th and 90th minutes.


...or something like that.

Posted by: Eric | April 3, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Ok, based on aggregate predictions of this group here on the GoffBlog the score will be

DCU 62
Chivas 38
the UN 2
the Refs 1

Put that into our trusty BlogoalTabulatron 60000
and ......................................

DCU 2 Chivas 1 with some questionable officiating.

There you have it. Remember you heard it hear first. :)

Posted by: Dan | April 3, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Chivas 6,
United 0


three own-goals and two penalties courtesy of Facundo Erpen.

Posted by: doctor khumalo | April 3, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

We are almost as homerish as Buckhantz and Chenier ;)

Posted by: CY | April 3, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

For the person asking about where to watch on Capitol Hill...

Finn MacCools is definitely showing the game and I believe the Pug (a great new pub on H Street NE) is going to have it on as well. Unfortunately, the Pug's TV's are a little on the small side.

Posted by: DE | April 3, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

DCU : 208
Chivas : -2 (they have taken away because they are simply idiots)

Posted by: Dave | April 3, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm with southeastener, and feel it will be 5-1 Chivas, and yes, I blame the 3 early goals on Erpen. Emilio scores to make it interesting, the ref gets angry that he lost the shutout, and gives 2 late PK's. Olsen still earns his second yellow.

Posted by: Lee | April 3, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Etcheverry scores the winning goal on a free kick from the right side of the area, 25 yards out. The ball goes over the wall and into the far upper corner.

Wait, wait. That was the '96 or '97 season opener against Kansas City.

Posted by: Memories | April 3, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You're all wrong. DCU will surprise Chivas with pressure early and score within the first 15 minutes. The goats will then dominate, drawing even just before half. Chivas will score again before the 50th minute. Things will get tense, but United will score the final goal in the last five minutes through a long-range bullet from Erpen. Final score: 2-2, DC wins on away goals.

Posted by: Max | April 3, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure away goals dont count in this tournament.

Posted by: the cheat | April 3, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Not away goals again....

Posted by: vertualvice | April 3, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Boys-If the game is drawn in the second half prepare yourself for the ugly side of Mexican football (and prepare yourself for the refs not to do anything about it).

Think Round of 16 2002 but on Mexican soil.

Posted by: Union Square | April 3, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Away goals indeed do NOT count in this competition.

Gawd, I hope we win. The Glory Days Grill out here in Germantown hase FSC, but told me, "If we have it on, it's on; if not, not."

Thanks. :-\

Posted by: Stevan | April 3, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Stevan,

More soccer support in upper MC!

Posted by: Lee | April 3, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Huge Guadalajara fan. Without Omar the 3 pronged attack from Chivas will definitely suffer, Chivas has been playing a game every 3 or 4 days for a whlie now and I think thats starting to show especially with the 1-0 loss to San Luis this Sat. I still think Chivas will pull it off with the aggresive, dynamic and vertical football that the club is known for.

Gua. will be the creative team, DC will try and hold them with a defensive posture, thus giving Chivas possesion and the initiative, Chivas will score first and that will seal DCs fate.

There seems to a lot of talk over a pk for Chivas, that being the case Ramon Morales is the one in charge of that. DC fans dont want a penalty shootout with this team because there percentage on Pks converted is something like 98%.

In the other game, Pachuca is a team that plays much like Chivas. Their last two league games have been at home and huge victories for the team: 4-2 win over Atlas and 5-0 win over Veracruz. Sorry Dynamo fans but my opinion is that Houston doesnt have even the slightest chance of winning.

Posted by: Hec157 | April 3, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I am steeling myself for an outrageous 91st minute penalty to end a tense game. Anything better than that and I'll be happy.

Posted by: Seth | April 3, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

An away goal counts as 3.14159 goals in the tiebreaker.

Mmmmmmmmm pie.

Posted by: I-270 Exit 1 | April 3, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm so nervous I could puke.

Posted by: Ben Jammin' | April 3, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

re: I-270 "2-1 for United Nations. Goals by Kofi Annan (44') and Ban Ki-Moon (77'). Chivas goal scored by Javier Perez de Cuellar (52').

The match will be replayed because Russia vetoed the result."

Just more evidence that soccer is the sport of the American intelligentsia (which is fine by me). I predict that Dag Hammarskjold will have a performance in goal unparalleled in Concacaf Champions Cup History. John Bolton will get a yellow card for flopping around in the box.

One week after the game Bono launches an effort for "CONCACAF Forgiveness" and the new DC-Pod sells enough units to play another game where 'everyone wins' and DC players volunteer teaching chemistry in Guadalajara and the Chivas players lead a trash clean-up of the Anacostia river

Posted by: Anonymous | April 3, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

DCU 1
Chivas 0

With Fred introducing himself to North America by either assisting or scoring the goal late in the second half. :-)

Posted by: Juan-John | April 3, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

i was at the pumas game in 2005 at the estadio olimpico, i wore my dc united shirt..

i want to see passion on the field from united, thats all.

Posted by: go dc | April 3, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Is there any way to watch the match on a channel besides FSC? Or do I need to start hunting down a bar out here in The Church?

Posted by: Kyle (Falls Church) | April 3, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Goffer, no last minute tidbits? I'm dying over here trying to kill time before kickoff!!

Posted by: CY | April 3, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

As far as I know, FSC is it.

Posted by: CY | April 3, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

2-2, DCU-Chivas, and no Simms. I like Soehn's comment about DCU being good students of Chivas: it shows humility and smarts. Looking for a well-played match.

Posted by: TedR | April 3, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Simms and Erpen have no business in the starting XI. Absolute cr@p!

Posted by: J.Cooks | April 3, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Agree with you J. Cooke.

Erpen was the one that lost his mark on the first Chivas goal. It was not BB's fault (no matter what the idiot on Fox Soccer Channel says). Also several other heart attack moments with Erpen.

As for Simms, why not start Fred?
You could see that he has ten times the control of Simms.

Posted by: DCU Fan | April 3, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

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