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More to Come

Besides the possible Guevara trade and the RSL shakeup, there is even more important MLS news on the way soon. It is not as dramatic as those other two items, but newsworthy nonetheless and interesting to all fans of the league. I HOPE to pass along more info today or tomorrow. Check back here regularly. (Sorry for the tease.)

By Steve Goff  |  May 3, 2007; 12:38 PM ET
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You are a busy man. Naturally, this means I'm going to pester you with more questions.

Is that Guevara deal official yet? What about him allegedly shoving an official while on the bench Saturday?

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | May 3, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"even more important, but less dramatic..."

now, that is quite the tease in terms of verbiage.

does "even more important" mean "additional" or "of greater significance?"

Posted by: Bill Urban | May 3, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"even more important,... but less dramatic..."

So it's probably not a DP signing. Must be expansion.

I may not be able to check back before the game, so I hope Waldo will read the blog and tell me all about it.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | May 3, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Definitely expansion news. They are going to announce that the next team will be in Portland.

Posted by: DC United Fan | May 3, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't read "even more important" as of greater importance than the RSL stuff, I read it as additional important news (as in but wait, there's more).

Of course I could be completely wrong.

But maybe not.

Posted by: Rick in Ashburn | May 3, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

zzzzzzzzzzzz....huh what? Am I supposed to wake up now?

Posted by: DC United Stadium | May 3, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

They found Jimmy Hoffa while excavating RB Park. Construction is now delayed for 60-90 days.

Posted by: JH6 | May 3, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"more important, less dramatic"

Sounds like DC is making a trade.

Posted by: Crazy Al | May 3, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

A bit OT, but are there any reactions to Mark Fisher's opinion piece on Poplar Point (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/02/AR2007050202577.html), and the associated online discussion earlier today (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/05/02/DI2007050201864.html)?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | May 3, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I think this might be Beckham's arrival date.

Posted by: Dave Lifton | May 3, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Make that Marc, not Mark.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | May 3, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"...It is not as dramatic as those other two items, but newsworthy nonetheless and interesting to all fans of the league."

What, Goffer? DC has acquired the rights to the Italian kids from Kicking and Screaming?

Fire up the espresso machine!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

zzzzzzzzzzzz....huh what? Am I supposed to wake up now?

Oi, DC United Stadium, talk to Mr. Chang. Let him know about ownership's strategic oversight in not having the team play in a library...did you see how quickly Pope Fenty made an appearance to bless the effort to rebuild in Georgetown?!? Then, BAM! 20 million without blinking an eye. Things get done and money is spent - sometimes...

Posted by: Erick | May 3, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Less dramatic yet more important MLS news than a coach canning and the seemingly monthly trading of the lockerroom cancer himself... hmmm.....

JERSEY SPONSORSHIP FOR UNITED?

Posted by: David | May 3, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"I don't read "even more important" as of greater importance than the RSL stuff, I read it as additional important news (as in but wait, there's more)."
----

correct, it's not of greater importance than the other stuff, it's just more news, without the drama.


Posted by: Goff | May 3, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

re: fisher's chat...

got to love how he used avg. attendance numbers from the nats inaugural season to make his point that baseball deserves all the land it can get, hundreds of concessions, and $1 billion of taxpayer funding while conveniently forgetting to notice the nats nearly 10k drop in average attendance between 05 and 06 seasons.

Ignoring the facts to emphasize your point... now THAT is quality journalism!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

United players using the DC Madam?

Posted by: RK | May 3, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

RK - not on their salaries...

Posted by: EdTheRed | May 3, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Goff, can you call off your dogs!!!!

Posted by: Marc Fisher | May 3, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Quoting anonymous above: Ignoring the facts to emphasize your point... now THAT is quality journalism!

As the Post ombudsman pointed out a few months ago, Fisher, et al, are "columnists" not "journalists" so he can skew statistics all he wants to make a point and to generate discussion. Our own Goffer, on the other hand, is a true journalist:-)

Posted by: Beaker | May 3, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

It's not DC United related because he said "MLS news". So no stadium or jersey sponsorship stuff. The best guesses I've seen so far are the Beckham arrival date and the expansion announcement.

Posted by: lawrenceterp | May 3, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Goff - What is up with Fisher's axe grinding against soccer? The sarcastic article last summer for the German audiences (which was quickly pulled from wp.com following a landslide of negative comments) has envolved into routinely biased PP Stadium coverage. Diminishes his credibility in everything else that he pens - and indirectly the credibility of wp.com.

Posted by: Mickey | May 3, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

If you don't think that total attendence for 81 games vs total attendence for 15 games doesn't mean more $$$ than mean crowd figures for the relative teams... then you've got another think coming.

And that's what the real point is. A baseball stadium will mean far more money for local businesses, and for tax revenue, than the 4x a baseball stadium would cost over a soccer stadium.

Of course I think DC United should have a lovely stadium, but the way this fake logic of "average attendence" gets thrown around should embarrass more folks than it seems to.

Fisher's a smarmy fellow but he has a point about the giveaway of public parkland being shameful.

Posted by: Galaxian | May 3, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Even as an LA fan, I think any exact timing about the Beckham date would be a snooze.

Unless it was being moved up to the end of the La Liga season. That *would* be news.

I still think it's expansion. Or maybe Wynalda got ahold of Jim Rome.

Posted by: Galaxian | May 3, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The news must be that Fisher is marrying Frank Deford. Sorry, make that civil union.

Posted by: Hoost | May 3, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Go Penn State!- I just read the article and related discussion.
Marc chides soccer saying few people go to it and for that reason the stadium should be put far from the city center, yet he also says the stadium will help develop areas that need development. I see a flaw in logic there that makes me suspect his motives. I don't mean to imply something sinister, but perhaps his dislike of soccer is coloring his judgement.
One must always look critically at what questions a journalist chooses to respond to during a 'chat'. The format of the 'chat' allows him to select his opposition. so he can choose to respond to only the most illogical or radical of those who disagree with him thus making his point of view seem more logical. It is a terrible forum for a free exchange of ideas and should be treated as entertainment and nothing more...except when The Goffomatic is on the job.
Marc's decision to include the snarky question from the person going to the DCU game tonight on a date was unnecessary and immature.
The addition of a soccer only stadium will be a benefit to DC. It is to everyone's interest to put it in the best place possible and take into account all points of view. If the benefits of having the stadium on Park land outweigh the negative points of having it on park land, then lets put it on park land.

I also thought the argument that the planners of the city indended for that park to be there so we shouldn't build on it to be absurd. From what i remember, the planners of the city thought that the city should be 100 square miles and didn't intend for the VA section to be retroceded. Point being, original intent is irrevelant in this discussion.

Posted by: bribri | May 3, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Its expansion news, plain and simple folks

Posted by: DC United Fan | May 3, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

bribri makes a number of good points.

For clarification, Poplar Point is not "park land" in the same sense that Rock Creek Park is "park land". Most folks involved in this dicussion couldn't tell you where Poplar Point is, how to get there, what to do when you get there, etc.

Posted by: Mickey | May 3, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

QUOTING HOOST : The news must be that Fisher is marrying Frank Deford. Sorry, make that civil union.

No, that's not it. Everyone knows Fisher hates Baltimore with every ounce of his short, balding soul.

Posted by: H.L. Mencken | May 3, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Kaka is really a US citizen and will be Jason Kreis' replacement?

OK, fine...probably expansion to Portland.

Posted by: Hoost | May 3, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Galaxian, you have a point about attendance, but your stadium cost numbers are wrong. The Baseball stadium costs 667 million dollars. The city is paying for it ALL. The DC stadium will cost the city nothing but the transfer of land. So if you look at it as a cost per person thing, cost per attendee thing or revenue brought in thing, you will see that the soccer stadium is a no brainer.

Posted by: DCAustinite | May 3, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Galaxian, you had me at "you've got another think coming".

I realize he's right about the math, and the total draw for Nats games kills DC's total attendance. To quote Ray Hudson, "a blind man on a horse could see (that)". I was just taking exception to his manipulative use of stats in this case, and that if he used more recent stats his point would be slightly weakened. I'd love to see the slump in attendance after this baseball season is through.

While avg. attendance doesn't mean all that much economically, it is a point of comparison when you are talking about a niche sport versus Americas alleged pastime.

Posted by: d, dc | May 3, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Galaxian | May 3, 2007 02:06 PM

"If you don't think that total attendence for 81 games vs total attendence for 15 games doesn't mean more $$$ than mean crowd figures for the relative teams... then you've got another think coming..."

Don't you have a funny little green and yellow wig to pick up from the dry cleaners? What, the LA Times doesn't have a soccer blog?

I think doode's point was that the attendance figures for the Nats are waay down from season one and going down and will until the doors open at brand new big shiny stadium. It's not really good journo stuff to abuse stats that way....but then this is the Post and he is an anointed columnist.

Posted by: Funny Little Green and Yellow Wig | May 3, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

As to baseball stadium and SSS discussion...

Mammoth baseball stadiums don't host many events other than baseball games and the occasional get together of aging bands like Police every other decade.

On the other hand, SSS's can host soccer games as well as concerts, tournaments, non-league games, etc. (weather permitting) through-out the year. I've seen the optimistic number thrown about by Uncle Phil's folks that SSS's can support up to 240 events per year... lending credence to the argument that SSS's contribute far more frequently than baseball stadia to local businesses.

Posted by: Mickey | May 3, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Don't you have a funny little green and yellow wig to pick up from the dry cleaners? "

Which one of you is the fat guy with the drum?

I love the HDC, though not necessarily the drive to Carson, and having two soccer teams makes it even more cost-effective, but Uncle Phil's "multi-stream" revenues are pies in the skies.

And thanks for the correction on the district's funding of the baseball stadium. Even with tax revenues, MLB is a money-loser for a city dumb enough to pay for a whole stadium out of pocket. I concede the point: if DC United can get the land for free and pay for all clean-up, infrastructure, maintenance, construction, and security costs itself, MLS is comparably a winner compared to the Nationals.

You have convinced me (though I'm all for 1000 soccer stadiums being constructed on the government dime, and 0 baseball stadiums, so I didn't need much convincing, but I'm speaking as a devil's advocate). I know I'm assuming that DC United will pick up basically every secondary cost, and I bet that's not true, so that has to be addressed. But what I'm saying is don't muddy the waters with the "average attendence" mumbo-jumbo. We're NOT going to be bigger than baseball in my lifetime, and you know it, but again, MLS can play up its relative value.

Posted by: Galaxian | May 3, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

If it were expansion, I would expect mlsnet to have posted an announcement that an announcement was coming...

Posted by: RK | May 3, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

God, I don't want to get in this debate, or bring up the same cliches again and again, but... zzzz ...

'laxian... MLB has already slid behind the NFL and the NBA (or basketball itself, if not the league) in terms of 'hearts and minds' nationwide. Tell me the last time you saw a group of kids playing baseball, not including NY or Boston. How many teams that aren't the Sox, Cubs, Yankees, Mets, etc. are actually profitable? Baseball simply doesn't have the importance or standing it used to. Naturally, I have no idea how old you are or how long your lifetime could last. And not to be an 'aid-slurping soccer apologist (though god knows I am)... just saying that given the MLB-wide trend toward smaller parks and the booming immigrant population in this country, along with, 'sigh', the numbers of kids playing futbol, the demographics could shift evvver so slightly once our parents start dying (HURRY UP!!!). Horse racing and boxing were both wildly popular when the NFL was a 'niche sport'. Don't know that I believe it, I'm just saying...

Posted by: d, dc | May 3, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

besides, more interest in soccer means greater coverage, equaling a fatter check for $teve Goff. Do you really want to root against our fearless leader?

Posted by: d, dc | May 3, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I doubt it's Portland expansion. It's probably more like, Investor X has bought the rights to buy an expansion team in Portland IF he can get Portland taxpayers to build him a stadium within the next 2 years.

Posted by: Drew,Rochester | May 3, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Quoting RK: "If it were expansion, I would expect mlsnet to have posted an announcement that an announcement was coming..."

Good point. Also, there was an article about possible expansion in yesterday's Oregonian that would probably have been very different if expansion were that close.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Goff is workin' it! Thanks!

Posted by: jj | May 3, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Rob Stone has finally come out of the closet.

Posted by: Hacksaw | May 3, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

hacksaw,
you're a funny guy

Posted by: jay | May 3, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

My bet is that we're going to get to see the prototypes for the MLS Beanie Babies (as announced in the NYT).

Posted by: edgeonyou | May 3, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

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