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Adu, Clavijo, Expansion

A few things to share before I run off to the airport for the flight home from Houston.....

-- From what I understand, if MLS sells Freddy Adu overseas, Real Salt Lake would receive at least $400,000 in allocation money from the league, but, based on the terms of last winter's trade, D.C. United would get $150,000 of it. United would also receive a draft pick, which at the moment, would be a third-rounder. If Adu sticks around all season and scores a bunch of goals, that could become a second-rounder.

Let's review, shall we? In the trade, RSL got Adu (one goal, two assists) and Nick Rimando (whom they traded and then had to reacquire from N.Y. when Scott Garlick abruptly retired). United got back-up keeper Jay Nolly, allocation money that they applied toward preseason acquisitions (it helped them secure Fred and Luciano Emilio, although you can't say it went directly toward one or the other), another 150K is on the way if Adu departs MLS, and a draft pick. If Adu leaves this summer, United could add that money to its war chest and make a sudden move right away, or, more likely, stockpile it for use this winter.

Who was the RSL executive who, at the time of the trade, said allocation money isn't worth much? Um, it's worth everything in this league. As for Freddy, he has certainly caught the attention of European clubs again after his hat trick against Poland and general brilliance against Brazil, and he could very well be on the move soon. "They're working on it," said one person familiar with the situation. "We'll see what happens, but it might not be until after the season. Spain would be a nice place for him."

Adu and the under-20s will face Uruguay Wednesday night in Toronto in the round of 16. The big showdown this week is Brazil-Spain after the Brazilians finished third and barely advanced. For the entire bracket, click here.

-- I am hearing that Colorado's front office has had enough of Coach Fernando Clavijo, who has not won since late May, but that upper management really wants to avoid paying two coaches the rest of the calendar year. The way things are going for the Rapids, though, they might have to bite the bullet soon and make a move.

-- MLS expansion is drawing closer and while one source tells me he thought the league would have something to announce during all-star week, another contact said it would be at least another 30 days. It's gotta be San Jose, right?

That's all for now......

By Steve Goff  |  July 9, 2007; 9:32 AM ET
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I had this on the US-Brazil thread, but since that was a long time ago, I'm posting here so that we can get started on trying to get ESPN to make a last minute decision and put the next U-20 US World Cup game on ESPN (it is only slated to be on ESPNU now). If enough of us write in, maybe they'll make the change!


We need to start trying to convince ESPN to show the U-20 World Cup Round of 16 US game vs. Uruguay on ESPN as well. It would replace a repeat broadcast of the Home Run Derby. To contact ESPN, go to:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?page=contact/espntv

Posted by: Dsmac | July 9, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

i think Philadelphia deserves the team much, much more than San Jose.

Posted by: rosado | July 9, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

i think Philadelphia deserves the team much, much more than San Jose.

Posted by: rosado | July 9, 2007 10:17 AM
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How's that? I hear much, nuch more information coming out of SJ over Philly. Remember, SJ didn't lose the team due to poor attendance.

Posted by: Monk | July 9, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Philly's stadium situation is preventing from landing a team at this point. SJ pretty much has that set.

Posted by: RK | July 9, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I still maintain that there should be a team in Cary NC. They have the facilities there-the MNT has used them numerous times and sold out quite a few games as well-so the audience is there. I am originally from DC but go to school in the Carolinas, so even then the closest team is DC at 6 hours away...

just a thought...

Posted by: HFIC | July 9, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

You have soccer, then. Enjoy the RailHawks!

Posted by: RK | July 9, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

And that stadium currently holds 7k. I don't know if they could expand it.

Posted by: RK | July 9, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about Clavijo. Seems like Colorado plays pretty well, given the dearth of talent on that roster. I was actually hoping DC might pick him up when Nowak left. Anybody else have any insights on Clavijo? Am I way off base?

Posted by: Matt | July 9, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Email ESPN....... completed!

Posted by: J-Mart | July 9, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I was recently in Portland Oregon, and saw a lot of potential fans and excitement around futbol there. AC Milan Primavera (an under 21 team) came to play and tied the Portland Timbers to a sell-out crowd. I think U of O has a good team. No?

Maybe Seattle? How about St. Louis?

Posted by: David | July 9, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Me too. Thanks for the link Dsmac.

Posted by: Matt | July 9, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

On RSL's trade follies:

John Pastorino was the one that said he'd rather have a known quantity than allocation money. In essence, he admitted that he and his staff are completely useless at evaluating talent, and that they honestly believed they could convince Freddy to stay in Salt Lake. Sadly for RSL, this was just another episode in a series of stupidity. I can't wait for them to trade the Freddy money for some decent MLS player, and for the other team to turn that $400K into a Best XI-quality star. I have said it before: MLS should institute a one-time-only relegation season this year, just to be rid of RSL's pathetic ineptitude.

Kidding...sort of.

On Clavijo:

For one, their roster is not that bad. They have some good defenders, Mastroeni, Beckerman, Cooke, and a few decent strikers. I'm not saying they're worlbeaters, but they're better on paper than the current results show. There is a lack of fight there that says to me that he's lost the players.

Second, Clavijo has shown a respectable eye for talent, but his teams have consistently underachieved. Last year, MLSnet ran an article in which Clavijo essentially took credit for the talent on New England's current roster. However, they canned him because the team was not producing results.

I am not against Fernando Clavijo as a person, I just don't think he's a very good coach. With his ability to find players with a good future, he might be more useful as a technical director of some kind.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 9, 2007 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The Adu trade and subsequent play of DC's acquisitions makes United look wise. Hmmm nice. Can't wait for Superliga and the Extended flight tourney it might get interesting.

Posted by: Mr.Bill | July 9, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Expansion will be San Jose, Portland or Seattle, and then...who knows. Could be Philly, Atlanta, or a number of cities.

Chest: you forgot Erpen!

Posted by: RK | July 9, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I am sure the DC united fans would love to be rid of RSL, considering we hold two wins over them in the last 12 months. The Adu trade would and could still work wonders for RSL but they have to let him play attacking mid and convince the rest of the team to play with him vs. watching to see what he will do. Nick Rimando has been the RSL mvp to this point of the season, so honestly this was a great trade for RSL.

Expansion, I expect the announcement will be for Las Vegas, they have the franchise fee money waiting and a commitment to a 500 million dollar privately funded stadium.

Posted by: f4denz | July 9, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

f4denz, if you're right, that will be awesome! Not that anyone needs another reason to go to Vegas...

Posted by: Soy Manya! | July 9, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

RSL's general manager is STEVE Pastorino (he used to live across the street from me in Fairfax a long time ago). But honestly, I don't think the Adu trade was all THAT bad of a move for RSL.

Yeah, sure, they gave up a lot in allocations (the initial amount and then the $150K from a sale this summer) but Jay Nolly was no big deal. More importantly, it gave them a marketable player with international name recognition in Freddy and their current starting GK (that is, until Seitz comes back from U-20 duty) in Nick Rimando. OK - so, they had to trade to get Nicky back, but I'm not sure that's entirely their fault. Did Garlick pull a fast one on them?

If he comes back and plays like he has been for the U-20s, then RSL will have the services of a solid young playmaker until he is sold off to Europe.

I'm not defending RSL's front office for all of its boneheaded moves, but the Adu trade was not ridiculously bad.

Posted by: DE | July 9, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The Vegas thing is a wishful pipedream from some potential investors. It's actually very similar to what Salt Lake promised when they came in, and they've been a headache since Day 1.

Posted by: Kim | July 9, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

goff, you have to say SOMETHING about DCU's recent update on the stadium. are you hearing anything? is the desperation? or just things moving along?

Posted by: zzzzzzz | July 9, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

All they did was put out a picture, right? Why on earth is that newsworthy?

Posted by: Mastondon Juan | July 9, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

RSL's front office continually makes bad decisions, and it'll be interesting if Jason Kreis (the subject of one of their WORST decisions) can right the ship. Freddie's lack of scoring is attributable to the talent around him just as much as it is his own fault. I'm surprised that he and Alecko haven't clicked yet, but Alecko is as streaky (or past his prime already???) as they come. The Chris Klein trade (and Eddie Pope's retirement) pretty much starts the countdown on blowing up the ship and starting over again.

Posted by: DWE4 | July 9, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

There's a few stats on Clavijo at FireClavijo.com. It's hard to call for his head. He's a wonderful guy & he absolutely loves the game. He's not a bad coach; he's just missing that something-something extra that's needed to make it at this level. Rumor has it he's making peanuts at $80k a year. No one can Kroenke find a better coach at that price unless they luck out on a wet behind the ears rookie.

And yes, that isn't the best of squads but it's not the worst. No reason for them to not be mid-table.

Posted by: Allen | July 9, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

It's interesting that over the weekend the United website had "Keep United in DC" and "contact your local representatives (with contact info." all over it. And now they have removed all of it and only left the general information on the stadium.

Posted by: Rafael | July 9, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

how do i figure philly, or any other major city deserves a team over SJ?
1. larger population
2. Didn't lose a team already

Posted by: rosado | July 9, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

If you look at the PDF presentation, it is apparent that the DC ownership group is trying to rally the public around its plan, and against the competing plan by the Anacostia Waterfront Corp. As i understand it, United is willing to pay for the stadium in exchange for 1) the rights to develop the surrounding land at poplar point and 2) infrastructure support from the city. I don't know what the potential snags are on the city council, or why the AWC plan would be more attractive to some. Goff, any help on this would be great. Thanks!

Posted by: DC | July 9, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Any more info on Jay Jay Okocha going to RSL? A rather interesting move if it goes down.

Posted by: Hoost | July 9, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I honestly think MLS expansion should go to either Seattle or Portland next. The Sounders have been around in one form or another since the NASL days and they have good support so they'd be a great addition.

The Bay Area is certainly worthy, but why did the Earthquakes jump ship? Was it because of a lack of another stadium? Last night's game in Houston reminded me how awful a game on a tight field is...I'd hate to see Spartan Stadium come back.

St. Louis should have been included in MLS from day one, but I'm hopeful that the Wizards (and their 8,000 fans) will eventually migrate east and take root along the Mississippi - so no expansion needed there.

Posted by: DE | July 9, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Clavijo is a really nice guy that has a good eye for talent. If he gets the boot in Colorado I wouldn't mind seeing him involved in one of our youth national teams.

Posted by: Joe | July 9, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"If Adu sticks around all season and scores a bunch of goals, that could become a second-rounder."

Don't hold your breath guys. Adu has been just a little worse than terrible for RSL this year. Dribbling head-on into 3 defenders and expecting to beat them with a step over move doesn't work. If he even scored 2 or 3 more goals on the season for RSL I'd be (pleasantly) surprised. You're getting a third rounder.

Posted by: RSL Ben | July 9, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Heard from an AWC intern that the idea of a Poplar Point stadium for DCU pretty much died last week when they were going over the financial numbers.

Hopefully they expand the Soccerplex before RFK is torn down or maybe DCU is the team moving out to San Jose.

Posted by: Alarm Clock | July 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

As for expansion, I agree its got to be San Jose. Didn't Wolff meet with Garber a couple of weeks ago to exercise his option now that San Jose approved the proposed Stadium Site?

I don't know if any other group is as far along as San Jose. Hopefully, San Jose can be announced at the ASG to give them mazimum time to organize for next spring. The only short term question would be where do they play since Sparten seems out of the question following the breakdown in negotiations on renovationg Sparten.

Posted by: Nick | July 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the U20 bracket, a Mexico/Argentina match-up would be a good one to watch. Also, a second USA/Brazil match up would be fun too.

Posted by: TCompton | July 9, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Spain would be a good place for Adu?
it would be a good place for anybody.

http://www.sanferminonline.net/finales/dia8.html

Posted by: bribri | July 9, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

MLS defenders "know" Freddy. He can't take them by suprise. The U-20 defenders are not so familiar with him, hence his ability to get them on their heels.

Vegas would be a ludicrous expansion site. Imagine playing in 116 degree heat. I would bet they used an artificial field, which would add 30-50 degrees to the surface temperature. They better used vulcanized rubber studs. Ha ha.

So Poplar Point died? That might explain the announcement on the DCU website asking people to call the mayor. The commercial development seems to have predicated the purchase of the team by the real estate developers. With that business opportunity out the window, their ownership becomes redundant to needs. Will they look to sell? DCU could never build a full soccer complex/village in the city, there is not space. I hope they bail on a city government that basically sh*ts on them now that baseball is in DC. I hope they move to Virginia.

Posted by: Erick | July 9, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

watch the ad on that link, then you get to see the encierro from yesterday. it was carazy.

sorry that this wasn't about Futbol, but I thought yall'd appreciate it.

Posted by: bribri | July 9, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Stadium issues/problems for United? Nah, no way! I can't believe it.

Kansas City will fill Arrowhead before DC United gets a stadium at Poplar Point.

Posted by: Hoost | July 9, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I think alarm clock means the stadium died in the AWC plan. DC United is pushing its own plan, with more development, where the numbers probably do work. The DCU plan is a lot better from a tax base stand point and will hopefully be chosen. But it is definately got to be a tense time for United.

Posted by: Kinney | July 9, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Clavijo is a whiny crybaby. I would be embarrassed to have him associated with our team.

Posted by: Glenn | July 9, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Re: ESPN

I believe this is All-Star baseball week, although would love to catch Adu/Altidore and the gang, likely not going to happen for Every Stinking Pitch Network.

Re: UNITED Stadium
The city has made the land swap with the U.S. governmentfor Poplar Point and environs. The artist's rendering is intensely urban. Great! Make it so FENTY!!!! If not, Arlington/Crystal City will take United.

Posted by: delanter | July 9, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Re:
""MLS defenders "know" Freddy. He can't take them by suprise.""

MLS defenders and the league in general is often beyond physical.

MLS players that surround Freddy are not as skilled as Freddy. Ever played with someone with 2 left feet?

He did well at UNITED, let's not forget. But when you are surrounded by BOZOS at Real Salt Lake what do you expect?

Posted by: delantero | July 9, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

how do i figure philly, or any other major city deserves a team over SJ?
1. larger population
2. Didn't lose a team already


Posted by: rosado | July 9, 2007 11:55 AM
_________________________________________
So you figure expansion should be based on population first over ownership group, stadium plans, etc.....? As far as SJ losing their team, I believe it was more a case of SJ being "robbed" of their team. SJ has an ownership group in place and a stadium plan which is probably 99% a sure bet. How far along is Philly?

Posted by: frankie | July 9, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

RE: U 20's blog

The video session was short as Rongen showed a handful of things from the Brazil match, including one clip that lightened up the otherwise serious session. To the delight of the players who erupted in laughter, Mulqueen had cued up the moment where Jozy tripped over his own feet while trying to save a ball from going over the endline in the second half. He even put it in slow-mo and also showed a close-up shot of where you see him grimacing as he pulled himself off the turf. Considering he tallied both goals for the team in the match we don't think Jozy was too embarrassed as he just laughed along with the group.

Posted by: US v URUGUAY | July 9, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Anyone been watching the Copa America semis? All I can say is that it's a good thing we didn't face _that_ Mexico squad.

Posted by: edgeonyou | July 9, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

U20s and Copa at Summers Restaurant.

http://www.summers-restaurant.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"Vegas would be a ludicrous expansion site. Imagine playing in 116 degree heat. I would bet they used an artificial field, which would add 30-50 degrees to the surface temperature. They better used vulcanized rubber studs. Ha ha."

The proposed plan is for a stadium with a retractable roof and I believe they are planning on A/C, too. Don't ask me to explain how A/C would work, I'm no engineer. However, with the type of money this group is putting together (and what seems to be a very solid financial plan), I don't see why they wouldn't be able to both cool the stadium and put in real grass (which DOES grow here, btw).

If heat is the worst complaint you have for Vegas, then our bid must be very strong. I've lived here my whole life and there is no humidity. All they'd have to do is get the roof overhead to shade the field and hold the games in the evening. They wouldn't even need A/C.

Posted by: Papa | July 9, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I think alarm clock means the stadium died in the AWC plan. DC United is pushing its own plan, with more development, where the numbers probably do work. The DCU plan is a lot better from a tax base stand point and will hopefully be chosen. But it is definately got to be a tense time for United.

Posted by: Kinney | July 9, 2007 01:03 PM


Did you look at the AWC plan? Both plans have a soccer stadium. DCU's plans have a soccer stadium and development. The AWC's has soccer stadium and mostly park land. DCU's investors want the development and the stadium for obvious reasons. It's a good deal, the DCU version, but both plans, go ahead, take a look, have a stadium.

Here's a great idea for everyone on this blog: Don't talk out of your butt. If you don't know, then shut up.

Posted by: Both plans have a stadium....look, go ahead. | July 9, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Is the San Jose talk actually San Jose, or just generally the Bay Area? I think getting a stadium built somewhere in that area would be good for the league. Portland seems like an amazing town and good for soccer, but it's such a small market (500,000 residents). San Jose + San Fran = gigantic.

Posted by: Kev | July 9, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever stop to think that the stadium would be financed by united using the surrounding development as value. With less development in the AWC, a stadium can't be supported. In the United plan, it can.

BTW - feel free to take your own advice.

Posted by: Mt Pleasanter | July 9, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Clavijo will go back to San Jose. He played there as an NASL Earthquake back in the days when he was fresh from Uruguay 20 years ago. Rosado, the Bay Area is a bigger market then Philly with about 6 million versus 4 million, and a MUCH larger soccer community including a larger Latino fanbase. The league is already guaranteed that San Jose will get it's team back at some point soon, so whether the announcement is for now or later doesn't really matter. It is more interesting to speculate who else will get the few expansion slots remaining.

Posted by: LeesburgSoccerFan | July 9, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I think Clavijo's "eye for talent" is debatable. While there are a few great values in terms of talent/pay ratio on the Rapids roster (Gomez, Ihemelu, Coundoul), there are an equal number of highly paid underperformers. He has a love-affair with the discarded. He likes to bring in people with a battered rep and see if he can get them to play up to their potential. (Mathis from RSL before sending to RBNY, Kirovski from LA, Casey from Europe via TFC, Cancela from NE via TFC). These underperformers tie up a lot of money.

Ives had a quote here that I find very true of MLS: "Finding one or two productive players for $40,000 or less can often be the key to helping a team make a strong playoff run, but having one or two busts soaking up six-figure salaries can spell doom for a club that made a poor investment." The Rapids exemplify both sides of this, and thus have always been a mediocre team. DC United is a master of this, and it's why I think they've been able to consistently be one of the best teams in the league over time.

Posted by: 5280 | July 9, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone been watching the Copa America semis? All I can say is that it's a good thing we didn't face _that_ Mexico squad."

Oddly enough, the US played an arguably "stronger" squad in the Gold Cup final, at least on paper. El Tri is missing at least 4 Euro based players who opted out of the Copa in favor of a break before training for their Euro clubs begins.

Posted by: the cheat | July 9, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Did you look at the AWC plan? Both plans have a soccer stadium. DCU's plans have a soccer stadium and development. The AWC's has soccer stadium and mostly park land. DCU's investors want the development and the stadium for obvious reasons. It's a good deal, the DCU version, but both plans, go ahead, take a look, have a stadium.

Here's a great idea for everyone on this blog: Don't talk out of your butt. If you don't know, then shut up.
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If it was just last week that the stadium was taken out of the AWC version there wouldn't be new plans out yet. If you were DC United would you put into your slides AWC version that had a stadium or one that didn't? Espeically when you would have to draw the plans without a stadium yourself because it probably hasn't been done yet on the AWC side.

I am not talking about the veracity of Alarm Clock's claim. I don't know about that, but taking him a face value it doesn't mean the stadium is dead. I was just stating that the versions are competing so other than negotiation starting points it really doesn't matter what the originial plans are.

I don't see how the AWC version is at all workable for DC United. It may have a stadium but where is the parking? Non functioning drawings occur all the time in real estate deals. AWC was probably told to put a stadium into their plan, they did, but one that was unacceptable to DC United and probably not economically feasable. That is what groups do in real estate to get their way. That way they can point to a building (staduim in our case)that will never make money and say "look, there is what you asked for, now you are just being greedy." The Fischer's of the world take this cry and run with it.

That said from an urban planning perspective DC United's version is way better than AWC's. AWC's puts most of the development up against 295, does not utilize the waterfront at all, seperates the park from the rest of the community (you have to walk through the new development to get to the park), and does little to revitalize Anacostia. The land is there already in park form, has anyone been there other than for a soccer game on those fields?

DC United's plan spreads out less parkland between the waterfront and the rest of the existing community, obviously uses the waterfront much better, has a larger tax base, and a better layout of the development that is there.

I am not talking out of my ass. I don't know if Alarm Clock is right or not, but even if he is it doesn't materially change discussion which is between the AWC plan and the DC United plan. That was my point.

Posted by: Kinney | July 9, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm taking my info second hand from an intern.

My only point is that DCU is putting all their eggs into one basket and they need to start looking at options in case Poplar Point is further delayed or even canceled all together...those of you from DC know that nothing is set in stone until its actually constructed and in use (anyone familiar with the new Harris Teater in SE knows that even completed brand new buildings can be torn down).

Goff calls Poplar Point ZZZZZZZZ for a very very good reason.

Posted by: Alarm Clock | July 9, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Why not Vancouver? Last I heard, the USL-1 Whitecaps had permission to build a 15,000-seat stadium that supposedly could be expanded to 30,000.

AND, you'd have another Canadian MLS team.

Posted by: Juan-John | July 9, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Juan-Juan-

I believe MLSE (Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment owners of TFC) bought exclusive Canadian MLS rights til 2009 or 2010 so any announcement that is expected to to come out within a month is probably a US city, and it could be a city ready to play in 2008 but only if its San Jose. If it's a different city expect 2009 and if its Vegas 2010 because we aren't playing there in the outdoors (and I think the only option would be a college field with crap turf too).

Posted by: bluemeanies | July 9, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"If it was just last week that the stadium was taken out of the AWC version there wouldn't be new plans out yet. "

Posted by: Kinney | July 9, 2007 02:15 PM

Do you have a link to this or is this speculation? You makin' up stories?

Posted by: Speculatator | July 9, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"Re: UNITED Stadium
The city has made the land swap with the U.S. governmentfor Poplar Point and environs. The artist's rendering is intensely urban. Great! Make it so FENTY!!!! If not, Arlington/Crystal City will take United."

delantero: Are there plans/proposals/ideas as to where exactly a stadium would built in the Arlington/Crystal City area? I could definitely get behind a DCU move to VA. Let the District keep their "beloved" Nationals, Wizards, and Caps... and let the Football/Fútbol rule in the suburbs!

Posted by: Soy Manya! | July 9, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

honestly, i can't think of where they'd find room to build a stadium in Arlington, it's so developed already. Columbia pike?

Posted by: d, dc | July 9, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The stadium has never been discussed for Virginia as far as I know. Too bad Potomac Yards is a giant shopping center; I thought that would've been great for soccer or baseball.

Posted by: RK | July 9, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Commercial Real Estate Brokers are already marketing Poplar Point. There's another business plan out there (different from DCU and AWC) that's looking for a Joint Venture Partner. The Broker's Package includes mention of a proposed DC United Stadium, but on a different parcel of the land. The parcel being marketed is the one occupied by condos/apartments in the DCU plan.

Poplar Point is not a dead-in-the-water deal. It's out for bids, and United need the District to help make their vision a reality. Quite frankly, this is a very complicated proposal, and it will require a lot of cards to fall into place to be profitable--no matter which business plan is selected.

Posted by: DWE4 | July 9, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Why not Orlando Florida the new home for DCU? we have a lot space to build a soccer stadium and we will be glad to have here the best soccer team of USA.

Posted by: OrlandoGator | July 9, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Link to the DCU powerpoint is right here. http://dcunited.mlsnet.com/t103/pdf/2007/poplar_point_presentation.pdf It's obvious that this presentation is meant for the community of Ward 8 (slide 21). The plan is solid, 10,000 local jobs, 5,000 residences, parks, retail. Obviously a stadium is no closer than it was 6 months ago, but there is a new plan, a strong plan. Support it, make some noise. Maybe city officials will listen. Keep UNITED in DC!!!

Posted by: plc | July 9, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"If it was just last week that the stadium was taken out of the AWC version there wouldn't be new plans out yet. "

Posted by: Kinney | July 9, 2007 02:15 PM

Do you have a link to this or is this speculation? You makin' up stories?

__________________________________________

"I am not talking about the veracity of Alarm Clock's claim."

"I don't know if Alarm Clock is right or not,"

Your reading comprehension is severely lacking Speculatator. I said twice that I didn't know if it was true or not. I was merely saying that it barely changes the discussion even if it is true.

Posted by: Kinney | July 9, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

First we have to rethink everyone's idea of an urban stadium. These places (notably London's) have small footprints, as they should.

It shouldn't have parking all around it as that can be achieved successfully with public transport and existing streets. Have you ever been in Crystal City on a weekend? No one is around. There's parking all over the place.

There is a stretch of land that Arlington is turning into parkland just south of 395 with some river views. Is it ripe for overall development? Probably not, but if you want a stadium, it could work. And Pentagon parking could be made available on weekends.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Why not Orlando Florida the new home for DCU? we have a lot space to build a soccer stadium and we will be glad to have here the best soccer team of USA.

Posted by: OrlandoGator | July 9, 2007 04:01 PM

Oh, this is wrong on so many levels. A cool team with a cool name moving to the un-coolest place in the Universe.

Posted by: Orlando? | July 9, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

MLS is needs to find a way to make it work in Florida. Too much population to pass over, and its growing unlike most of the northeast. Forget Portland/Seattle, getting things built there makes DC look easy. DC will get its stadium don't think it will be in the city anymore. Too much of a hangover from the baseball fiasco, for the city council. Lastly, Its time to end the thuggish play in MLS

Posted by: pc | July 9, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Ha, love the Nelly Furtado pic at the end . . silliness.

I want my seats FENTY.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

If they move to the suburbs, change the name. DC is where the locals live. It's what residents call it. It's strictly an urban designation. If the team were to move to Northern VA, God I hope not, NOVA Unite!!! Lovely.

Posted by: plc | July 9, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

does anyone else think that south america is lacking good teams. I mean except Argentina and Brazils' B side. The US's 3rd string team yes 3rd string outplayed paraquay and should have beaten them 5-3. Columbia was outplayed and was just counterattacking with the US reserve c team. Yes they have great individual players, but i am not that impressed by thier teams. Chile got killed by a weaker brazil side, paraquay with 10 men gets killed by mexico (who could barely score on guadaloupe or a 9 man costa rica team) Venezuela and peru were not that good, and iam not impressed by uruguay. us south americans think we are better that the world and especially concacaf but this tournament just made some of us (at least me) understand that we are not, and perhaps some of our weaker teams are no better than jamaica, TnT Etc. I for one am saddened but acknowledge the fact. But one thing is for sure we all hate Mexico...

Posted by: SurAmericano | July 9, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

1. Arlington could hardly muster the will to build a rec center and a park on that land - much less a stadium.

2. The commercial broker represents group that tried to buy United but failed. They own some lots right on Howard Road - but they certainly don't own Poplar Point, or have any plans for anything beyond the urban mall they have on their website.

Posted by: Mt Pleasanter | July 9, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

The DCU plan looks cool, at least the stadium looks way badass.

I wonder if anything will ever happen or if we must just wait in blog purgatory speculating over whether or not poplar point will happen.

Posted by: cooper | July 9, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

The DCU plan looks cool, at least the stadium looks way badass.

I wonder if anything will ever happen or if we must just wait in blog purgatory speculating over whether or not poplar point will happen.

Posted by: cooper | July 9, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Are they still talking about a 27,000-seater?

DCU averages 20k or something per game, right? It'd be interesting to see what -- if any -- post-Beckham "bump" in attendance there would be, particularly the size of that "bump," and whether that would play a role in determining the ultimate capacity of the new stadium, if the Gods and Stars ever align to allow it to be built...

Posted by: Juan-John | July 9, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

As much as I loved reading OrlandoGator's post, being an Orlando-based DCU fan, United needs to stay in the DC area. However, I'd love to see professional soccer return to Florida, particularly central Florida, but I suppose I'm biased.

Posted by: DCUfanSE | July 9, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

SurAmericano, or shouldn't it be Sudamericano(?), I couldn't agree with you more. I was born in the smallest of the 10 members of CONMEBOL, and do not root for them anymore. When they came to DC to play the United States in a warm-up to the 2002 WC, I wore my U.S. jersey and my friends were incredulous. I just don't like their attitude on the field anymore. I clearly remember Sebastian Abreu mocking Eddie Pope while miming that he should go shoot hoops--ugly. So, I will once again be wearing my U.S. jersey Wednesday night while cheering on the United States to crush la Celeste in the U20 WC! USA!

PS But I will be rooting for la Celeste to beat Brazil again... love to see them squirm at the memory of 1950's Maracanazo.

Posted by: Soy Manya! | July 9, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Interesting point SurAmericano. It crossed my mind as I watched Peru get slaughtered by Argentina in the 2nd half.

But I disagree with your premise that the performance of the USA and Mexico makes your point. The USA, albeit our c team, got thumped all around. What matters is the scoreboard. We lost 4-1, 3-1, and 1-0; that shows the South American teams were better. And while Mexico wasn't so hot at Gold Cup, sometimes teams just gel and play well. A huge reason why they beat Paraguay is because the Paraguayan keeper lost the game for them by earning a red card in the 2nd minute.

A better test would be to see how teams from S. America did at Germany '06. How they're doing at FIFA WC U-20.

Posted by: David | July 9, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I think DC United needs to get on board with the Crystal City planning committee. The committee is entertaining radical ideas about mixed-use development, including tearing down and rebuilding some of the aging structures in Crystal City. If they're willing to replace old buildings with buildings, they're ready to replace an old building with a stadium. It's not as crazy as some would have you think.

Posted by: Arrrlington | July 9, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't publicly announce or seriously progress on any plans outside anacostia until after an announcement of some sort. All signs point to there being intense negotiations and planning discussions going on but not that it has been decided that the DCU Anacostia stadium won't get built. If it falls through we'll probably start hearing plan b discussions within a week.

Posted by: bluemeanies | July 9, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't publicly announce or seriously progress on any plans outside anacostia until after an announcement of some sort. All signs point to there being intense negotiations and planning discussions going on but not that it has been decided that the DCU Anacostia stadium won't get built. If it falls through we'll probably start hearing plan b discussions within a week.

Posted by: bluemeanies | July 9, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how ignorant some are of possible expansion in MLS. The information isn't that hard to find. There are only 2 cities that could possibly be chosen to start next season: San Jose (at Spartan) and Seattle (at Quest). San Jose is a virtual LOCK.

Re: Vegas - As others have said, the stadium would be air-conditioned with a retractable roof. Heat would not be a factor. If Vegas were awarded a franchise, they wouldn't begin play till 2010.

I really don't see Philly included in this round of expansion (between now and 2010) as very little has come out about potential investors and stadium sites since the Rowan deal fell through.

Posted by: AlecW81 | July 9, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"There is a stretch of land that Arlington is turning into parkland just south of 395 with some river views. Is it ripe for overall development? Probably not, but if you want a stadium, it could work. And Pentagon parking could be made available on weekends."

I believe you are referring to the north end of Crystal City. Pentagon parking probably would not be made available for security reasons; further, it is too far away (across I-395), and the area is not pedestrian-friendly, absent a lot of infrastructure improvement. However, there should be room for stadium-specific parking on the same side of I-395.

Another problem with that site, at least for radio and TV coverage, would be the roar of aircraft taking off and landing at National.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 9, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that Orlando had what, by all appearances, was a successful World Cup gig back in '94. Are most of the people who made that happen still around?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 9, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

So with the league wanting a stadium in place (or solid plan for a stadium with funding) and 10,000 season tickets for new franchises. SJ, would have trouble with number two. I would love to see Seattle get a team, a great market but they will run into issues getting a real stadium, since taxpayers are stuck for years paying for the 2 new stadiums they have in recent years.

Philly, I would love to see a team there but I believe they are still struggling with a ownership group.

Vegas, has all the pieces in place. 10K season tickets would be gone in a couple days as casinos pick up tickets for their high rollers and guests. This being the first major league professional sport. Also consider that Vegas is nearing the 2 million resident mark, and has a huge latin population group.

I think Atlanta would be a better SE fit than would locations in florida, that have trouble supporting anything other than the NFL. NBA teams have traditionally struggled for attendance (pre shaq era), MLS has tried and left twice. MLB is getting ready to leave twice, florida has too many options and seem more focused on their college sports.

I know both Mpls and Milw. have been talked about and would provide access to large TV markets.

On to Adu, yes he has been forced to try and take on 3 players at a time, since no one on our team seems interested in supporting offensive runs. They seem more interested in watching Freddy, rather than playing with him. The Jay-Jay Okocha, is a rumor, along with the Claude Mackelele rumor, and the Zidane (almost every team has had this one). The nice thing is RSL now has room for a DP and still have over 150K in cap room after that move.

Posted by: f4denz | July 9, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it, Orlando was involved in the football competition at the 1996 Olympics, too.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 9, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

""We lost 4-1, 3-1, and 1-0; that shows the South American teams were better.""

Please, better on the scoreboard does not mean they were better. To say so shows complete disregard for the game.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Florida has had not one, but two bites off the MLS apple -- Miami Fusion and Tampa Bay Mutiny. To me, resurrecting the on-hiatus San Jose franchise just seems to make better sense, assuming all the pieces are in place.

Now, speaking of resurrecting old franchises...NY Cosmos and TB Rowdies, anyone? :)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | July 9, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I'll be pissed if ESPN doesn't show the game. EVERYONE EMAIL ESPN!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 9, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Philly is pretty far along, it is not in the media because that is the owners wishes. I hope we make this round of expansion, else a lot of good momentum (353 current Sons of Ben members - sonsofben.com) will be lost.

Posted by: Bryan76 | July 9, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

MLS should expand in more cities across Canada. After watching the U-20 WC it is clear that the potential and demand is there for the Canadians.

Cities like Ottawa and Montreal seems like a good lock.

From a financial point of view, can anyone dispute the fact that they will be able to fill the seats? Can you honestly say the same for San Jose? Seattle maybe. but it seems like Seattle may be more interested in a more competitive league than MLS. Every game held in Seattle so far has been because of a European team visiting and most in the stadium were rooting for the European team, not MLS team. So based on that, can anyone say for sure that Seattle will support a local MLS team?

By comparison, take a look at Toronto and look at how they supported the team when everyone knew they were the worse team in the league. The city have rallied and given its full support to the team. and now look how well they are doing. it was not the team that did well and then the crowd showed. It was the crowed that showed up and provided a moral support to the team resulting in them doing well now.

Can anybody say the same for Kansas City and RSL?

Give Canada another team. The people are hungry for it. The city will support their team. and the league will financially benefit from it.

Posted by: justsayin' | July 9, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"I know both Mpls and Milw. have been talked about and would provide access to large TV markets."

Well... large is relative... Milwaukee ranks #34 in TV market size (out of 210). Minneapolis is significantly better at #15. But Philly is #4 and the Bay Area is #5...

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_stations_in_North_America_by_media_market

Posted by: edgeonyou | July 9, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"Please, better on the scoreboard does not mean they were better. To say so shows complete disregard for the game."

HAHAHA. I'm sorry, I know what you're trying to say here, but it's still funny to me. My rec league team always tries to rationalize our losses by saying we dominated possession, that we were unlucky not to finish our chances etc. But you know what? When you get beat by a combined 8-2 in 3 games, it means you were outclassed, and to ignore that shows disregard for the facts.

Posted by: DC | July 9, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Everyone tlaking about expansion ... no other teams in Canada until at least 2010. TFC have exclusive rights until that time. Montreal has a new 15k seat stadium to be finished next year and Vancouver has a beaustiful 15k seat (designed to be expanded) to be built soon downtown right by the water. Look to see franchise in each of these cities ... but not until at least 2010.

Posted by: TFC Fan | July 9, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who seriously advocates for United to even consider the possibility of having a stadium in VA should never be allowed to cheer for United at a game again. VA could never support a stadium (they'd only screw it up anyway) and United is DC's team, it should stay here forever. It was a tragedy to let the Skins move to Landover and it would be a tragedy to let DC United ever leave.

Posted by: Poplar Point is better than the 'burbs | July 9, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

SportzNut21, I believe the Mutiny and Fusion only folded because of bad management. Could be wrong, but I'm sure someone will know on this board. I'd love to see more than one USL-1 team and a couple of PDL teams in the state of Florida. Hopefully an investor will approach MLS and bring professional soccer back.

BTW, loved the Tampa Bay Rowdies, and would love to see their name resurrected. I have good memories of going to their games as a kid, and participating in their soccer camps. Good times, good times.

Posted by: DCUfanSE | July 9, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Go Penn State!, you're absolutely correct, there was great support here in Orlando for the '94 World Cup. Great atmosphere, it was fantastic. From what I can remember the Citrus Bowl was sold out for each game in group play.

Posted by: DCUfanSE | July 9, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

If the new team is a return of the Quakes, they may well end up at Stanford until the new SSS is built near the airport.

NO city deserves a team more than any other. It's not about CITIES, it's about I/O, a SSS and some $$$.

Posted by: Joe | July 10, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

DCUfanSE - both franchises in Florida folded because there was a major sea change for MLS at the end of the 2001 season. The fact that absolutely no one showed up to either team's games on a consistent and regular basis made it an easy decision though!

Miami Fusion (horrible name, to boot) averaged fewer than 9,500 fans per game over its four-year existence. And while the Mutiny averaged nearly 12,000 fans over its six years, it received nowhere near the support the Rowdies used to get. And only Dallas and KC had similarly poor attendance records and they were both supported by Lamar Hunt so they weren't going anywhere.

Florida is not worth MLS's time.

And neither is Arlington worth DCU's time!! There are way too many NIMBY's in Arlington to ever allow a stadium to be built there...

Posted by: DE | July 10, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

10-man Silverbacks fall to FCD in PKs
After finishing 1-1 in regulation, Hoops win 4-3 on penalties

Glad I didn't really put that 10k bet on the Backs, then...

Posted by: RK | July 10, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

""We lost 4-1, 3-1, and 1-0; that shows the South American teams were better.""

Please, better on the scoreboard does not mean they were better. To say so shows complete disregard for the game.
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Hugo Sanchez? I didn't know that you trolled Soccer Insider! How do you find the time to do so when you're down in Venezuela con el Tri for the Copa America? Isn't Goffinho a great reporter?

Posted by: Bill in Md. | July 10, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

It would be sad if DC can't make a stadium happen within the district, on a metro line. I think Chicago's experience with a "near-suburban" stadium is telling.

Posted by: comfortstarr | July 10, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I have fallow DCU more as 10 years since the first game lost 1-0 against San Jose in the inaugural game of MLS. DCU is realy a cool team with a cool name. I know whats means DCU for the entire Washington Metropolitan Area, DCU is like the Capitolio or other monument in Washington DC. I believe DCU born in the Capital City and shall remain there, otherwise DCU could be adopted by the American, English, German, Latin American and other comunities of Orlando.

Posted by: OrlandoGator | July 10, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Let's all tell Fenty how much we want the stadium. I live in SE and would love to keep DC United in DC.

http://app.dc.gov/apps/about.asp?page=atd&type=dsf&referrer=%5b$DSF_SERVER_NAME$%5d&agency_id=1075&portal_link=rt

Posted by: gallegoscot | July 10, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Good Lord, are people taking that Orlando post seriously?

Posted by: RK | July 10, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"...United is DC's team, it should stay here forever. It was a tragedy to let the Skins move to Landover and it would be a tragedy to let DC United ever leave."

Fair enough, but which locations within the District do you think should be considered if Poplar Point is taken off the table for whatever reason?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 10, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"And neither is Arlington worth DCU's time!! There are way too many NIMBY's in Arlington to ever allow a stadium to be built there..."

So true! (I live in Arlington, so I know.) However, the nice thing about the area north of Crystal City is that it is just about the only location in Arlington that is not in anyone's backyard.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 10, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link to Mayor Fenty, gallegoscot. Message sent.

Posted by: Kire | July 10, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

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