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Gone Fishin'.....

With a mountain of vacation time and a little break in United's schedule, I am going to disappear into the north woods. No telling whether I'll actually come back. The Insider will remain open as a general forum, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. Sort of like 7-Eleven. Slurpee, anyone?

I plan to rejoin you Friday from RFK and get back into the full swing of things Sunday somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Hold on tight, stay up all night.....

Peace,
SG

By Steve Goff  |  July 15, 2007; 12:57 AM ET
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Enjoy the woods! When at Giants' Stadium, please come visit us in lot 15 in front of the Stadium tower under the big banner.

Posted by: 12th man | July 15, 2007 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Have fun. Watch out for rabid squirrels

Posted by: Rocko | July 15, 2007 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me you're a fly guy. Hope the smallies are biting!

This is a great blog

Jai

Posted by: just another idiot | July 15, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

You can run but you can't hide... Beckhamania will find you.

Posted by: bbarrie | July 15, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I'll let Rosie know ;)

Posted by: Frederick, MD | July 15, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

enjoy the time off. the work week will not be the same without you.

Posted by: SF59 | July 15, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

My week already feels...empty. Enjoy the vacation. You've certainly earned it! Thanks.

Posted by: DCBird | July 15, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Agree with SF59 and DC Bird. Not sure how I'll fill the time next week, but I'll find a way. Thanks for all your hard work Goff. The break is much deserved.

Posted by: Don't forget the Off | July 15, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey, have a great time in the mountins, but while there practice saying Meadows, Meadows, Meadows! Meadowland Stadium i located in the Jersey Meadows. Some of us like me, Harkes and Meola, love our Meadows, no matter what youse guys call It.
Kearny kid

Posted by: Kearny kid | July 15, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I think our bosses will all be happy to see a notable drop in our internet activity this week ;)

Posted by: Shatz | July 15, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

The Bogman took a break for March Madness and the whole baby thing and things were never the same....

Posted by: sitruc | July 15, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

That's a lousy place for a vacation. I know a pretty little place in Southern California, down San Diego way. It's a little cafe, where they play guitars all night and all day. You can hear 'em in the back room strummin'.

That's where I'd go.

Posted by: JJH | July 15, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"Hey, have a great time in the mountins, but while there practice saying Meadows, Meadows, Meadows! Meadowland Stadium i located in the Jersey Meadows. Some of us like me, Harkes and Meola, love our Meadows, no matter what youse guys call It."

Just of your curiosity, do you have any insights into why there aren't more of youse guys filling the seats at that venue that you profess to love so much? Is the RBNY front office, let alone the higher-ups in Fuschl am See, even aware of the rich soccer heritage of communities a few miles away?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 15, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

mad props for the Bruce reference. Enjoy the break... I need to rebuild my cred w/my emplyer anyway.

Posted by: soccer nerd | July 15, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Back to work.

Posted by: New England Guy | July 15, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

That should have been "Just out of curiosity." I think that is called an editing error.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 15, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Steven if you were going fishin' you should come to Tenn. We have some great fishin' here too. I also write for 2 local papers here in Knoxville Tenn. I write fishing columns for both.

Posted by: Lnoe763@aol.com | July 15, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

is it true that Goff is vacationing in Goffstown, NH?? He owns that town!

Posted by: rumor | July 16, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Imagine Goff's surprise when he returns to find Fabio Capello as United's new coach, half the team traded, and the ground work for the new stadium just beginning.

Posted by: burd | July 16, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Capello to DCU that is a fantastic notice, wuenderbar, maravilloso, finally a great coach for a great team. Thank Lord!!!

Posted by: OrlandoGator | July 16, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Capello to DCU that is a fantastic notice, wuenderbar, maravilloso, finally a great coach for a great team. Thank Lord!!!

Posted by: OrlandoGator | July 16, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Imagine Goff's surprise when he returns to find Fabio Capello as United's new coach, half the team traded, and the ground work for the new stadium just beginning.

Posted by: burd | July 16, 2007 11:34 AM

So, you predict Goff will fall into a Rip Van Winkle sleep, only return in 70 years? Because that's how long it'll take for any one of those to happen.

Except, maybe trading half the team. That could happen this week.

Posted by: Arrrlington | July 16, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Pen State Fan: I find it tough to comprehend the dearth of spectators for RBNY, especially with Arena and Reyna there now. Somehow the team never seemed to conect with Latinos and Italians (everywhere), Portuguese (Newark) and soccer moms and dads (in the NJ suburbs).
But its kinda hard for me to judge, since I live in Nittany Lion Land (Lancaster) and am a DCU fan. (Became one at the very beginning because of Harkes and the fact that Estadio RFK is closer to Amish Country than the place in my beloved Meadows.)
I know back in the Metros' early days there was a decent fan contingent from Kearny that went to games, but fear the teams horrible performances dimmed their enthusiasm. Will be interesting to see attendance figures after the stadium in Harrison opens. I know I'll go up to give it a look, and see if any of my old KHS buddies are still around.
Kearny Kid

Posted by: Kearny Kid | July 16, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

So, you predict Goff will fall into a Rip Van Winkle sleep, only return in 70 years?

Posted by: Arrrlington | July 16, 2007 01:09 PM

That was the joke: he's going to be gone for a long time. :)

Posted by: burd | July 16, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Damn... it's gonna be a loooooong week!

Posted by: elopez | July 16, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

RONGEN needs a pink slip. He's been a complete flop at every level (although he did have success coach a team built by another coach... but once his influence kicked in the team fell apart).

Can we just admit that he's a lousy coach? He may be a nice guy, and a good player in his day, but he sure isn't a motivator....

Posted by: Hacksaw | July 16, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The U-20 made it to the semifinals, and you're complaining?

Posted by: RK | July 16, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hacksaw,
Are you being serious or the Devil's Advocate?

Rongen's team went 3-1-1. That's a flop? Yeah, they didn't play well against Austria. But I can't agree that he's not a motivator with 6-1 and 2-1 victories over Poland and Brazil respectively. Does he get any credit for player selection and for benching Ward after game 1?

To put this in context, the WC02 team went 2-2-1. Was Arena a flop then?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 16, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

RK, the U-20's made it to the QUARTERFINALS.

Posted by: Dave the Wave | July 16, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Ha, you're right -- I thought they were down to the final 4 at that point.

Posted by: RK | July 16, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I think Rongen did a great job with that team. He's gotten more out of Michael Bradley than his own father could. And he's the first coach to actually play Freddy Adu in his natural position. That tournament was a big success for us I thought.

Posted by: Shatz | July 16, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The U-20 WC was success and a letdown at the sametime. I think the US got up for games against Poland, Brazil, and Uruguay, but against South Korea and Austria we looked unmotivated. The best thing that we can take out of this tournament is that Alitdore is going to be star, except it will be in Europe, and Freddy is the real deal. After the Copa America catastrophe, this tournament re-assured that the US is not in dire straits, and that I actually do have something to look forward to in 2010. On top of that, who does everyone think will be the next big name player to be a DP in MLS. I am banking on Ronaldo, although I would love to see Riquelme or Ronaldinho. What do you guys think?

Posted by: DC United Fan | July 16, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's all cry for Argentina.

Who really picked Brasil to win 3-0?! It was Argentina's A team. Wasn't that Brasil's B team?

Posted by: David | July 16, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"What do you guys think?"

MLS salary cap rules are as nebulous as any South American's contract.

Tevez.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 16, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Riquelme just signed with Atletico Madrid, and Ronaldinho is in his prime still. Ronaldo, possibly...but I'm sure it will be someone I've barely heard of.

Posted by: RK | July 16, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

just a rumor, but I hear Goff is "hanging out" with Posh Spice. Like I said, just a rumor.

Posted by: jj | July 16, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"The best thing that we can take out of this tournament is that Alitdore is going to be star, except it will be in Europe, and Freddy is the real deal. After the Copa America catastrophe, this tournament re-assured that the US is not in dire straits, and that I actually do have something to look forward to in 2010."

Given Adu's and Altidore's ages, there is even more to look forward to in 2014 and 2018.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 16, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Is it true that Goff's bass boat is dubbed "The Soccer Insider?"

And will he keep his catch, or will he toss them back and munch on McDonald's all week?

Posted by: Joe Doc | July 16, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"I find it tough to comprehend the dearth of spectators for RBNY, especially with Arena and Reyna there now. Somehow the team never seemed to conect with Latinos and Italians (everywhere), Portuguese (Newark) and soccer moms and dads (in the NJ suburbs)."

This is of more than academic interest. Many people, myself included, have considered such cities as St. Louis and Philadelphia as prime candidates for expansion teams because of their century-old traditions. Maybe this factor carries a bit less weight than one might have thought.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 16, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone catch the USWNT vs. Norway on Saturday? Can anyone explain why the Norwegian keeper was allowed to wear an outfit that mimicked the USA's gold and blue kit? Then again, given the negative reactions to the USA gold uniforms expressed here in an earlier thread, maybe some people would have preferred that the entire USA team had been sent back to the locker room to be refitted.

Beyond the sartorial issues, how does this team keep winning? They lacked a playmaker and were pretty aimless; Norway, allegedly the number four side in the world (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Women%27s_World_Rankings), and apparently close to full strength for this match, didn't create many good chances.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 16, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

A quote I heard over the weekend at my rugby tournament is equally applicable to women's soccer (and most women's team sports for that matter) "Women's rugby is exactly like men's rugby... if it were played underwater."

Posted by: AlecW81 | July 16, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

And on the seventh day Goff rested.

Posted by: Ohboyohboy | July 16, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think we should be proud of Rongen's U-20 team. I was disappointed not to see them beat Austria. There seems to be a growing sentiment against Thomas Rongen. Jen Chang wrote a piece for ESPN.com (hey, Goff's out....I had to read SOMETHING) criticizing Rongen's coaching decisions. Although I think Chang went too far in his criticism, I have learned over the years that Rongen has a keen eye for talent and is pretty good at instructing young players. He is not, however, a good game-day X's and O's coach. At some point in the tourney, the U-20's needed that, and it wasn't available. I think he's a tremendous asset to the US Soccer youth system, however.

Posted by: DWE4 | July 16, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Jen Chang is an idiot. I'll say it again, JEN CHANG IS AN IDIOT. His pre U20WC analysis completely ignored the US team. After the Brazil and Poland matches he tried to back-pedal and justify how the US played so well despite his prediction.

Now that I've calmed down, what do we see as Rongen's role? Is it to win the U20 WCs or to identify talented young players and help the develop in the national team program? How you answer that will define whether he is successful or not.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 16, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

gee, Sky Sports says Beck ham in doubt for the Chelsea match due to his ankle injury. There's gonna be a lot of pissed off people who bought a ton of tickets if he is on the shelf for a while.

Posted by: Glenn | July 16, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"A quote I heard over the weekend at my rugby tournament is equally applicable to women's soccer (and most women's team sports for that matter) 'Women's rugby is exactly like men's rugby... if it were played underwater.'"

But that can be quite interesting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_rugby).

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 16, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

While not thinking about soccer . . watched the HISTORY Channel last night. A program on a KAMIKAZE raid on the USS LAFFEY.

While monitoring a picket radar site north of Okinawa, the ship is attacked. Four kamikaze strikes and three bomb hits render the ship incapacitated. The rudder is fixed in a 20 degree turn. All hell has broken loose on deck. Fire pours from the stern and gun ports. Twenty Kamikaze's are bearing down on you. Shall we abandon ship?

"Only when there are no more guns left to fire," replied the Captain.

Posted by: delant | July 16, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone out there got any firm info on DCU's Copa Sudamericana game with the Guadalajara Goats at RFK?

Posted by: SportzNut21 | July 17, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I think Rongen spends such little time with the guys that development isn't his priority. That's up to the young men and their clubs. His job is to identify the best young players and win the matches they're in. Coaching in these tournaments is incredibly tough so I'm not going to say he bombed, but he also didn't have a great coaching performance either.

Posted by: Mike | July 17, 2007 1:58 AM | Report abuse

The captain of that ship clearly isn't a Hill Democrat.

Posted by: Gunner | July 17, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Where the hell is that lazy goff? My job is even more boring than I remembered. You know he got a cabin with goltv AND fsc and he's hoarding information. He better come back brimming with insight and info.

Posted by: just another idiot | July 17, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"A quote I heard over the weekend at my rugby tournament is equally applicable to women's soccer (and most women's team sports for that matter) 'Women's rugby is exactly like men's rugby... if it were played underwater.'

But that can be quite interesting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_rugby)."

My sister-in-law plays Underwater Hockey with the guys and it is apparently quite a workout. Does that make it underwater Underwater hockey?(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_hockey)

Posted by: LeesburgSoccerFan | July 17, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

This from LA Observed website:

Striking the right tone
With all the gushing about David Beckham and his wife coming to town, it's nice to see the Venice-based eTrueSports -- "Dedicated to taking scraps of truth and turning them into absurdist nonsense" -- adding some punctuation to the coverage:

David Beckham, worried about LA traffic, has made a tender offer for the Pacific Coast Highway with the intention of taking the road private. "It will be like a big driveway," explained wife Posh Spice.

Posted by: Downs MacRury | July 17, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

IMO, Brian Carroll has not been Brian Carrol since he went to Europe during the off-season to explore/pursue other opportunities and the Euros all said "Thanks, but no thanks"." Then he came home empty-handed and with a huge chip on his shoulder and probably felt like he had to settle for something less when he re-signed for DCU. Goff, Anybody... Did he get an upgrade on his contract or did he get the same or less? He's been very dissappointing this entire season, even beginning with the CCC he showed no heart.

All you Facu haters wipe the egg off your faces, please, you look ESTUPID!

Posted by: Soy United! | July 17, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

for all y'all going through withdrawl, there's a piece up on Fred in the sports section.

Posted by: greg | July 17, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Steven

Great Fred article. I would love to know a bit more as to WHY he came to the US, other than $$$. Or maybe that was just it and I am looking for something more.

How much of a draw was having Emilio on the team? And do you think that DCU FO folks made an implicit or explicit promise that Gomez and/or Moreno would be gone by next year, so Fred could assume his natural position after one year at the club?

Posted by: the cheat | July 17, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Park's closed. Moose out front should've told ya.

Posted by: RK | July 17, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"just a rumor, but I hear Goff is 'hanging out' with Posh Spice. Like I said, just a rumor."

---------

As well he should after being forced to cover a baseball game while the WaPo baseball beat writer got to hobnob with Elisabeth Shue (in town promoting her soccer-related movie)!

Posted by: Juan-John | July 17, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Fred is a clown," midfielder Ben Olsen said. "He just has so much energy and is just a real happy guy, a jovial dude. I like Fred -- he's Fred! How can you not like a guy whose name is just Fred?"

Hey, [Ben], let's party!

Posted by: Spicoli | July 17, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Re: Ben Olsen

Anyone catch the photo of Ben in the recent game program?

Full bearded Ben at the end of the Chivas match surrounded by three Chivas players, one of whom is holding Ben's jersey. Nevertheless, the look on Ben's face makes it certain that he's not backing down.

Keep it up Benny O!

Posted by: delantero | July 17, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm going through Goff-withdrawal DTs, too, but SBI (via Sports Illustrated) reports the latest MLS expansion team is San Jose and their Earthquakes. Deja vu?

Posted by: Beaker | July 17, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Quakes fan here. Currently exiled in D.C. for the time being (three years). I think I speak for all Quakes fans across the country in saying:

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I know I know its still only unofficial, but I'm too excited to function right now.

Now, if we can only get Yallop to leave the scum and come back home (bringing Cannon with him!).

Posted by: Chris | July 18, 2007 12:25 AM | Report abuse

You're killing me Goff.

Posted by: sitruc | July 18, 2007 1:27 AM | Report abuse

My doctor advised me that lack of Soccer Insider is bad for my health. Do you offer it in pill form? I need a backup plan for when you go on vacation.

Posted by: Dave | July 18, 2007 3:43 AM | Report abuse

LA looked pretty good last night.

; )

Posted by: Hoost | July 18, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Capello is in the MLS;
Capello to DCU, please!!!

Posted by: OrlandoGator | July 18, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

With Goff gone, I've resorted to reading the NYT (gasp). Need your help!!!

Jere Longman of the Times said that there are "three cable networks devoted exclusively to soccer": Gol TV, Fox Soccer Channel. Can someone help me with the third cable network devoted exclusively to soccer?

Posted by: 12th man | July 18, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

It would be nice if someone happened to pop on and let us know how Moreno's hamstring is doing................

Posted by: Shatz | July 18, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

ESPN the Ocho.

Posted by: RK | July 18, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Can someone help me with the third cable network devoted exclusively to soccer?"

With Posh&Becks' arrival: Spice
(at least that's what I tell my wife).

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 18, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Vaya con juevos!

Posted by: gallegoscot | July 18, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

DC United U-17s are in the final of the inaugural MLS U-17 Cup Thursday night at the Dick before the All-Star game. C'mon Mini-Uniteds!

Galaxy looked to be the worst professional team in the world last night in a friendly against Tigres. If I paid money for that, I'd never go back.

Posted by: DC U-17s | July 18, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad we have a bunch of comedians out there!!! What is the third cable channel, besides Gol TV and Fox Soccer Channel, devoted to soccer or did the NYT get it wrong?

Posted by: 12th man | July 18, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Can you just imagine being 16yo and getting tips from a LEGEND?!

http://web.mlsnet.com/images/2007/07/18/X5yeVLGk.jpg

Posted by: Soy United! | July 18, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The third network has to be Setanta. That's only for the satellite crowd though, so not sure if the author was confused?

Posted by: Rob | July 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The third network has to be Setanta. That's only for the satellite crowd though, so not sure if the author was confused?

Posted by: Rob | July 18, 2007 11:10 AM

Sentanta covers other sports, as well. I think the article referred to three networks dedicated to all soccer programming. FSC, GolTV and .....

Posted by: Itchy Boo Lane | July 18, 2007 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The Chelsea-Blue Wings game was pretty good. Aside from Drogba's goal, the Blue Wing defenders did a pretty good job of stripping the ball from Chelsea's offense.

Posted by: Juan-John | July 18, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Can someone answer this rumor...Does the winner of the Superliga tournament get an invite to the Libertadores?

Posted by: Superliga | July 18, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the third channel is Fox Sports en Espanol?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey GOff!

What's with the suspension to Ben Olsen for 5 cautions? According to his stat sheet, he's only got four, and I KNOW he didn't pick one up against Dallas--we kept a clean record for only the second time all season.

Thanks!

Posted by: le Rouge | July 18, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

In typical NYT research style I'm sure Longman turned on the TV, searched his channel guide, and saw 3 games on tv at that moment (maybe included Univision or Telefutura) and decided that the US had 3 soccer stations.

BTW the NYT has to have the worst soccer coverage in the US, although the Chicago Sun Times isn't far behind.

If you want good MLS reads while Goff is away go for the Houston Chronicle or any Toronto paper.

Posted by: Southeasterner | July 18, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Guys,

While the New York Times is atrocious with game reports on Red Bulls matches -- there aren't any except for wire clippings -- I have found Jack Bell and Jere Longman's articles to be very useful. They offer a broader perspective on the soccer industry in the U.S. -- and at times come up with insights. It was the NYT that first gave a serious treatment to Wilpon considering opening a second MLS franchise in NYC. And I like Bell's weekly column where he surveys developments in both U.S. and international soccer.

So the Times is a lot better than the Chicago Tribune or just about most other big city dailies.

Posted by: J | July 18, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Moreno's status?
Namoff's status?
Olsen's status?

We need Goff! I've gotten out of the habit of rampant speculation, and have learned to depend on facts distributed by Steve. The question marks keep piling up, but we don't get answers.....

Posted by: Kim | July 18, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"In typical NYT research style I'm sure Longman turned on the TV, searched his channel guide,"

I strongly object to this unprovoked and inaccurate attack on the NY Times. Most NY Times reporters do not need to turn on the TV before making up a story.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 18, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Superliga-

The winner of the initial Superliga tournament gets the $1 million purse, and that's about it. I think MLS and FMF officials want to be sure it will be popular before trying to lobby CONMEBOL for another Libertadores spot (note: I strongly doubt the FMF will give up one of their already-existing spots to accomodate the Superliga winner, especially since the tournament is in the preseason for Mexican clubs).

Anyone see that Crofton's own Kyle Beckerman was traded to RSL for Mehdi Ballouchy? For once, RSL has fleeced someone. Ballouchy is useless and will be fighting with Kirovski and Cancela for time at attacking midfield. Meanwhile, RSL gets a guy that is finally hitting his stride as a pro over the past 1.5 seasons and an instant upgrade in the center of midfield.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 18, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I forgot how long a week could be sans Soccer Insider updates thrice daily. I have other diversions at the office (such as work) but they aren't nearly as fulfilling.

Posted by: LeesburgSoccerFan | July 18, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I think the next two expansion teams wil either be two of the following, Seattle, Portland, St. Louis, and Philly. I think it would be either Seattle/Portland for sure, but I think whichever town comes up with the funds first b/t Philly & St. Louis will get a team.

Posted by: DC United Fan | July 18, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Would love to see Atlanta get a team. The South needs to have some representation in MLS. But I would guess Philly and St Louis would be ahead of them for the the Eastern team.

For the West, one would have to imagine Seattle would be a better sports town to put a team in. Then again, they have 3 major sports franchises, and Portland only has 1. But I dont think of Portland as a very good city to support a sports team. Great food, amazing coffee, great cycling, but maybe not the best place to put a soccer team.

Posted by: the cheat | July 18, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Seattle and Vegas. Bank it.

Posted by: AlecW81 | July 18, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, i went through Goff withdrawl too until i discovered the MLS Rumors site.... Lots of good stuff!!! Riquelme to DC United? Expansion rumors, DPrumors. etc

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | July 18, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that East-West balance will be a big consideration; thus, NYC/Long Island, Philadelphia, and St. Louis should be put into one pot, and Seattle, Portland, and Las Vegas into the other. The MLS Rumors site conjecture that (after San Jose) it will be New York and Las Vegas is as good as any, if only because it appears that specific investor-operators have been identified for those cities.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 18, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone see that Crofton's own Kyle Beckerman was traded to RSL for Mehdi Ballouchy? For once, RSL has fleeced someone. Ballouchy is useless and will be fighting with Kirovski and Cancela for time at attacking midfield. Meanwhile, RSL gets a guy that is finally hitting his stride as a pro over the past 1.5 seasons and an instant upgrade in the center of midfield."

Does this mean that Beckerman and Adu will be fighting over the central attacking midfield slot at RSL, much as Ballouchy and Adu were apparently doing earlier this year?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 18, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

ALI G (Borat) interviews POSH/BECKHAM on youtube

Be warned, it's 10 minutes long

Posted by: delantero | July 18, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm undergoing serious withdrawal. Before you know it, I'll be believing Trekker rumors.

Posted by: sitruc | July 18, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

isn't Beckerman more of a defensive mid rather than attacking mid? I guess this does allow Freddy to drive the RSL bus now and see if he can do it.

Posted by: Glenn | July 18, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I have never hated fishing more than now...

Posted by: Felix | July 18, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

"Does this mean that Beckerman and Adu will be fighting over the central attacking midfield slot at RSL,"

Maybe for the rest of the season until Adu goes to Europe. Then Beckerman and his d-locks can take over the midfield.

RE: Expansion to Vegas
ESPN can easily broadcast the matches since they have a permanent crew there to cover the World Series of Poker (which, by the way, seem to be held every month). My only concern is that the home uniform will include sunglasses and a Full-Tilt Poker baseball cap.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 19, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Glenn. Beckermann is more of a d-mid; Adu would play attacking mid.

With no interesting fact-based articles to read, any predictions on the score of tonight's MLS All-Star-Celtic match, who scores and who wins MVP?

Posted by: 12th man | July 19, 2007 8:38 AM | Report abuse

As long as we're posting unsubstantiated mls rumors that have only a tenuous relationship to reality.... J. Klinsmann will be coaching LA Galaxy before the season is over.

Posted by: stairs | July 19, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Fun article by Ives, naming the US A-D teams.

http://njmg.typepad.com/sbi/2007/07/the-us-national.html#more

Posted by: RK | July 19, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

Veron signs with Chivas USA. Here is a translation of the article thanks to Babelfish:

The Greater League Soccer is wanted to take to Juan Sebastián Verón so that it is "the South American star of Liga of the United States", thus revealed a source to Infobae.com. The steering wheel of Students of the Silver and the national selected one that is participating in the America Glass in Venezuela, already received a formal proposal and "when the glass finishes they are going to come to Buenos Aires to meet with him", affirmed. Behind all this it is Ivan Gazidis, one of the organizers of the MLS. "they want It to convince at all costs, they want that it and Beckham are the image of Liga", he trusted. So that Verón accepts the proposal the close friend to the player said that "they are going to him to make a supply of 20 million dollars" and "already they advanced to him that will live in Hollywood", concluded.

Posted by: DC United Fan | July 19, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

New Rule:

Steinberg and Goff CANNOT go on vacation at the same time.


(Unless they go together and continually blog about it.)

Posted by: Kim | July 19, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Very interesting article... not so much the characters involved, but the mechanics of the DP slots... Something I'm sure that DCU is lookng into... I hope...

http://www.3rddegree.net/2007/07/the-designated-player-plot-thickens/

Posted by: Soy United! | July 19, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Alright, if the JS Veron thing is true then I'm really pissed. I mean, why can't we sign a dp? we're just going to hold it for this year and not use it? What a colossal waste. Chitcage, NYRB (twice), Chivas, Columbus, LA all have DPs. DC needs to get off it's ass, sign somebody like Ljundberg or Koller (if he weren't too old). Sign a German for that matter, that would put 2,000 extras in the seats. Schweinsteiger, Frings, these guys would work greeat here (provided they didn't melt).

Posted by: DCAustinite | July 19, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Maybe DC and NE can jointly sign a DP, who can then play in half of each team's games. At least DC is moving on a stadium...zzzz....

Posted by: New England Guy | July 19, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Steve asked me to pass along that robbie fowler is headed to the crew.

Posted by: goff's brother | July 19, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Great comments from the UK press... hee-hee...

Beckham's LA Galaxy dismissed as pub team by media

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=reu-englandbeckham&prov=reuters&type=lgns

Posted by: Soy United! | July 19, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Goff's brother.

Posted by: 12th man | July 19, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

This has gone on too long.

Posted by: sitruc | July 19, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"Sign a German for that matter, that would put 2,000 extras in the seats."

Really? 2,000 Germans would attend each match? In this heat and humidity? With RFK's selection of beer and sausage? Ich glaube nicht.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Beckerman, at this point, is mostly a defensive midfielder. He can play the attacking role, but RSL will be looking at him to play behind Freddy. They played a 433 last week, so I'd expect Talley to be the 3rd of that midfield. Certainly, it's an improvement for them.

Veron to Chivas: How? Chivas traded its DP slot to NY for the maximum allowable time (5 years). Did they get him for less than DP money (like Columbus did with Barros Schelotto)?

Fowler to Columbus: I don't think he'll do well here. It's too hot and he's past it. As absurd as it sounds, I think Alejandro Moreno is a better fit for Columbus than Fowler at this point.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 19, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

This morning's dead-tree version of the Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/18/AR2007071802465.html) says that the MLS-Celtic match can be heard on the radio, including WMET. Does that mean that Limarzi will be in Colorado to do the play-by-play? Does it also mean that the match can be heard over the Internet (http://www.wmet1160.com/)?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 19, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Fowler's Wikipedia page, apparently last updated 24 hours or so ago, says nothing about him talking to, let alone coming to MLS. Here is what it says:

"At present Robbie Fowler is a free agent. He has recently been in Australia, talking to FC Sydney, although he is expected to turn them down. He has returned to Great Britain, where it is widely expected that he will sign a contract in the coming days for either Cardiff City or Leicester City. Sources close to the player say that he is set to sign for Cardiff and he has all but ruled out a move to Leicester, to whom he has not spoken. As of 17th July he is in talks with Bluebirds manager Dave Jones."

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 19, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Where did you hear that Fowler is going to Columbus? I just read that he was seriously considering a fairly good offer from Cardiff City and just last week he was visiting Sydney FC of the A-League.

Posted by: DE | July 19, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The Sydney Morning Herald story mentions Sydney FC's interst in Fowler, the US and the Beckham salary issues... http://www.smh.com.au/news/football/fowlers-future-still-hangs-in-the-balance/2007/07/18/1184559866486.html

Posted by: Soy United! | July 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The Sydney Morning Herald story mentions Sydney FC's interest in Fowler, the US and the Beckham salary issues... http://www.smh.com.au/news/football/fowlers-future-still-hangs-in-the-balance/2007/07/18/1184559866486.html

Posted by: Soy United! | July 19, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Ooops - sorry for duplicating info, but I had left my computer for a second before submitting (I hate when work gets in the way!). I had read the Fowler info in the Sydney Morning Herald.

Interestingly, for some reason, Fowler's agent took the opportunity to rib MLS in the article I had read:

"With Sydney, they are not finding businessmen to throw money at Robbie, and that's a good thing. You don't want a situation like with [David] Beckham, where one player is earning much more than everyone else and it creates disharmony," Scott said. "Sydney are doing it the right way."

Posted by: DE | July 19, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

how is veron going to chivas usa? the article in spanish on the rumor page is nearly a month old and chivas dont have a DP spot. this deal cant be real, even though i hope it is

on another note:
DC united dont need another attacking minded south american either, what DC united need to do is sign Claude Makelele. Now before everyone moans that he is a boring player he would immediately make us top team in the league as he would be a perfect holding midfielder and would give a us a huge chance in our international tournaments.

Posted by: dc united fan that moved to st louis | July 19, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I predict a 2-1 victory by MLS over Celtic.

Posted by: David | July 19, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

DCU should use their DP slot on a young and skilled D-mid whose wife is pregnant and willing to have their child/children in the U.S. like I did... The player can always move elsewhere after the season/birth... ;-)

Posted by: Jaime | July 19, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Fowler's agent. I hate it when people throw money at me. Dammit, what do you think a G-string is for?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 19, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Ich Glaube Ja. Bestimmt! Contrary to popular belief, Germans love sun, beer and Soccer. And I do believe you would pull far and wide for a Deutchse National teamer.

Posted by: DCAustinite | July 19, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"I predict a 2-1 victory by MLS over Celtic."
Hmmm... unlike when Celtic lost to DC United last year after flying to the stadium directly from the airport, they've been in town a few days. Sure, I'm a Hoops fan, but most of the team are back from last year, so they're all familiar with each other. Man, I wish I was in Colorado tonight. Unlike last year, I have no conflict in loyalty.

Posted by: gallegoscot | July 19, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Props to DCU's U-17's for they have vanquished the KC U-17's 3:0 and have claimed the MLS (SUM) U-17 Championship Trophy!!! More details on MLS DCU website.

Posted by: Dave the Wave | July 19, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Makelele would be a very intriguing signing for us, but from the outside looking in it seems that defensive midfield is one spot our braintrust is pleased with. I doubt the club will sign a DP until we know what Gomez is doing. Fred obviously can replace Moreno or Gomez if this is their last season in black, but what if both of them are done after this season (not to mention replacing Fred on the wing). Right or wrong, I think we have already made our "win now" move by trading Erpen for Vanney.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 19, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

i wouldn't be so sure that erpen for vanney was the big move of the year - in order to sign a DP from overseas they would have had to free up an SI slot. whether that's this year or next, we'll see...

Posted by: pat | July 19, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

D.C. United claim SUM U-17 crown
Black-and-Red youth side to take part in 2008 Torneo Quixote

http://dcunited.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20070719&content_id=106541&vkey=news_dcu&fext=.jsp&team=t103

Woo-hoo! Congrats! Thank you so very much for adding yet more silverware to our already burgeoning trophy case!!

Posted by: Soy United! | July 19, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Remember the dark days before Goff's Blog?

Posted by: JSF | July 19, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

BBC online with a good read on MLS

"Beckham in Mission Unnecessary"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6904077.stm

Posted by: They speak English, too | July 19, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So who's playing this week? I need my insider fix....

Posted by: m | July 19, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm already sick of Beckham and he hasn't even been here a week yet. Is he the only player in the league now? Is all of ESPN on their knees lined up to take care of him or what?

Posted by: Glenn | July 19, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

MLS winning 2-0. Sweet.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

DCU's U-17 team to get some pics taken w/ Beckham...

Posted by: RK | July 19, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Just saw a shot of Will Chang on the field with the DC United under-17's taking pictures with Beckham. Chang is first class.

Posted by: Dave | July 19, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

so exactly how many times is "beckham" going to be mentioned tonight? I would put it at close to 100 by halftime.

Posted by: annapolis | July 19, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

What's up with Eddie Johnson, his hair cut is juvenile. He should be fined by the league for stupidity. Thanks for being a freak for the world to see. "4 real" .....

anybody have a better one for eddie? I'll go first, "off 4 year"

Posted by: George | July 19, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

As All-Star games go, that was pretty boring. Was it the heat/humidity? Nicol should have made more subs earlier -- Joseph was terrible the whole game.

Celtic didn't really come to play and was in bad shape -- if we're going to bring in a team, it should be a better one.

Posted by: RB | July 20, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon, Goff. Steve, Mike.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/19/AR2007071902590.html?hpid=sec-sports

I usually like Wilbon, but he seems to be regurgitating the non-soccer party line here. Methinks Goffer needs to show him the error of his ways.

Posted by: SportzNut21 | July 20, 2007 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Re: Wilbon
The article was about the globalization of sports and is based on 2 recent developments (1) Beckham in the US and (2) the end of NFL Europe.

I thought Wilbon was fair - his is critical of both sides; but, as I've stated here before, I like his writing. Keep in mind that Wilbon was a WashPost beat reporter who covered the Diplomats and not just another a soccer-ignorant loudmouth. He asks the basic question of whether Beckham's arrival will change things "fundamentally," not just in the short term. It's a fair question. Wilbon is also critical of American fans:

"We're chauvinists. We follow what we invented or popularized (golf) and hardly anything else."

Everyone is wondering whether Beckham's arrivla will lead to long-term growth of the league or will this be another NASL fiasco. There are reasons to belive the former is true. But you can only by adamant if you have a crystal ball of if you drank the Garrber/Lalas Kool-Aid.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 20, 2007 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon is a moron. He claims he's seen a ton of soccer games (more than some person who submitted a question about soccer during his online chat the other day). Puhlease.

It is amazing but these idiots say the same thing every time...soccer was going to take over in the 70's with Pele, etc, but it didn't. Who ever said it would? And more importanly, who is saying Beckham playing for LA is going to move soccer into the forefront of American sports? The only idiots saying that are the soccer bashers themselves! I've been a DC United/MLS fan since 1996, so no one wants the sport to succeed more than I. However, I'm not dumb enough to say soccer is going to move into the upper echelon of sports with David Beckham leading the way. That's just insanity.

Posted by: Hoost | July 20, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"BBC online with a good read on MLS

"Beckham in Mission Unnecessary"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6904077.stm"

Maybe Wilbon needs to read the above article. Probably one of the best I have read about the MLS from a foreign source.

Posted by: Southeasterner | July 20, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

"Soccer has already surpassed hockey on the American sports landscape."

You know, that's all I need to hear. That's an accomplishment. I know the NHL has shot itself in the foot, but that's saying we're #4 of the Big 4 American sports now.

Would you have thought that possible even 3 years ago?

"just 2,000 people showed up the other night to watch the Galaxy get blanked by a Mexican club team. "

How does that happen in LA??? Maybe they are just waiting for the Beckham games.

Posted by: RK | July 20, 2007 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon and his ilk, especially the wheezing, cigar chomping yellowtoothed Frank DeFord, have been spewing the same garbage for 40 years now about our beloved sport. Just look at how vicious the coverage was of Pele by certain memebers of the New York media when he challenged the supremacy of the Yankees way back when. These tired old gasbags are so astutue at analyzing the "mainstream" American sports fan that they fail to recognize the undercurrent of excitement in the community and the dedication to our clubs. They can't understand us, and I, for one, don't think anyone should try explaining it. Just give a little knowing smile as Costas drones on about baseball again, DeFord talks about Horses (!?!), and the Wilbon-Rome-Plaschke-Mariotti axis regurgitate the same old garbage they sucked up off the NFL execs floors. When the opposition gets agitated, you know you're making an impact.

Posted by: grotus | July 20, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

So, I know it doesn't really matter...but did anyone notice the "in-active All-Star roster?" It was nice to see Benny Olsen get a nod...but what I cannot believe is that the list does not include Luciano Emilio. He's leading the league in goals for chrissakes!!

And yet, the list does include mediocre performers such as Jim Brennan, Frankie Hejduk, and Claudio Reyna.

Posted by: DE | July 20, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Did you guys even read Wilbon's column? I agree with the poster above who thought it was fair. He says the NFL are idiots for thinking they can sell their game worldwide. And he says MLS are idiots for thinking that Beckham is, by himself, going to be able to make soccer the next big thing in the US. US Soccer doesn't need Beckham. The BBC article linked above is an excellent piece. I suppose I am in the minority, but I think it's a colossal waste of money to be paying Becks all that dough for a little short term gain and some jersey sales. Why not invest that money in improving conditions for the $12K a year guys? Why not invest that money in getting each team its own stadium? Why not invest that money in player development and scouting? All this media hype does is raise expectations that can never be met. LA blew up their team to get Becks. Now he has no one to play with. The British press rightly point out what a mess that team is now. Having him play on a terrible team isn't going to turn casual viewers into fans.

Posted by: Glenn | July 20, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I can see how the investment in Becks can benefit the league as a whole (more attention, more revenue to the shared pot, more respect globally, attracting better quality internationals who are not just here to pick up a check). Hopefully more revenue translates into better players and staduims. However, the MLS hasn't seemed to learn from the overselling of Freddy Adu. Beckham is not going to score 3 goals a game. He's going to do the things that make soccer exciting to the knowledgable fan that the casual fan won't pick up on intially. I hope the MLS and fans give this a chance for success.

Posted by: Omar | July 20, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I usually like Wilbon's writing on other sports, and the fact that he often advises Tony Brokenrecord not to just dismiss soccer out of hand.

That said, I have some problems with this article. Treating the Beckham-to-MLS situation as equivalent to the Pele-to-NASL situation is pure folly. MLS has a much more solid foundation than the NASL ever dreamed of having. Also, big-name athletes at that time were famous; big-name athletes in our time are nearly omnipresent. We are in an entirely different era. The combination of ESPN highlights and celebrity culture present today had no equivalent back then.

Also, it's yet another general sports column getting a quote from Giorgio Chinaglia. No one should ever consult Chinaglia for anything, other than how to irritate reasonable people.

On a similar note, Wilbon also uses another familiar word for this type of column: savior. Soccer does not need saving. Beckham is not here to save the game from oblivion; he's here to push it to a higher level. This isn't even a "half full/half empty" style debate. If Beckham had just re-signed with Real Madrid, MLS would still be looking to expand next year, still be moving into new stadiums, and still taking small steps forward.

As for the responses here, it seems some of us have missed an important point: No one from MLS has ever said that Beckham will, alone, make MLS a true competitor to the top 3 US sports. Not even Alexi Lalas. It's been quite the opposite: Beckham talks about not being a goalscorer, and lists among his best attributes being a hard worker. Anyone and everyone from MLS has said that Beckham will not score a hat trick every night.

It's not that MLS didn't learn from overhyping Freddy. It's that ESPN doesn't know any other way to promote a player or league than by going over the top. It works for them either way: if MLS somehow takes off due to Beckham, ESPN can take a significant portion of the credit; if the league somehow manages a highly unlikely NASL-style tailspin, ESPN can blanket the TV and internet with "Soccer doesn't work in the US, we told you so" talk.

Slow growth will continue. Beckham will get things moving a bit quicker in the short term. That's it.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 20, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Wilbon is a moron. He claims he's seen a ton of soccer games..."

I've been around long enough to remember when Wilbon covered NASL's Diplomats in the early '80s; he acquitted himself very well. And another poster's conflation of Wilbon with Frank Deford is way off base.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 20, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

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