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SuperLiga Aftermath

There's not much D.C. United could do about Diego Martinez's strike in the 79th minute, a half-volley from the top corner of the penalty area to the far side of the net. World-class stuff, no doubt.

HOWEVER, United had no excuse for.....

*the inability to finish scoring opportunities when they had a chance to seize the match.

*the defensive cracks with a man advantage.

*Tom Soehn only utilizing one substitution in a tournament that allows four field players to be replaced. Because of injuries, United's bench is thin, but perhaps he could have found a way to get Clyde Simms, Stephen deRoux or Domenic Mediate into the match when things became unsettled following the red card.

A few other thoughts:

*Blame the Nationals. Rod Dyachenko's first-half cross hits a seam on the turf covering the infield and takes a hop as it approaches Emilio, who can only clank it with his shin.

*Bobby Boswell says Landin grabbed him in a sensitive spot in the moment before he kicked him in the groin area.

*United played well overall, but those unfulfilled scoring chances once again killed them.

Player ratings:

Perkins 6; Gros 6, Boswell 6, McTavish 6, Burch 6; Fred 6, Carroll 5, Gomez 7, Olsen 6; Dyachenko 5, Emilio 5. Sub: Addlery 5.

Game report with quotes.

Video highlights.

Final thoughts?

By Steve Goff  |  July 25, 2007; 11:22 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

I'd have rated Fred less than a 6, I thought he was MIA for most of the match. The D looked good for the most part. I like this group a lot better than having Vanney or Erpen in there, and I'll like it even more with Namoff. Always comes back to haunt you when you get satisfied with 1-0 rather than pushing for the nail in the coffin.

Another frustrating game.

Posted by: SpikeFC | July 25, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Blame the Nationals. The jump the ball took on Dychenko's pass to Emilio was unbelievable. The thing jumped at least a couple of inches. Damn crappy field. We need our own place to play. Enough of being the second tenet. We blew way too many chances tonight. Should have put the Mexicans away.

Posted by: sbg | July 25, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

How bout these ratings -

Perkins 5.5, Gros 3.5, Boz 2, MacTavish 5, Burch 4.5, Carroll 3, Olsen 4.5, Gomez 5, Fred 4, Emilio 5, Dyachenko 3, Addlery 4.

What a piss poor match by the guys wearing black.

Posted by: JMR | July 25, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

The Vanney trade is starting to pay dividends. It's good to see his calming influence with the young lads. Oh, my bad...he didn't play. How did this help our back line? DCU is a nice team, but we can't touch Houston or NE at the moment.

Posted by: Friendship Heights | July 25, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, nothing about the horrible officiating? yes we should have done more with the chances we had, and played better defense up a man. But 22-6!? Do you HONESTLY think we were 3 times dirtier than the other team? Somehow a tiny shove in the back was a foul against us, but not the other way around. Call the game tight, or loose, either way is fine but be CONSISTENT!

Posted by: 22-6? | July 25, 2007 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Boswell can't lash out like that -- he should have gotten a red card (maybe not if the 4th official saw the "sensitive" grab)

Posted by: RB | July 25, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Goff, you nailed it. Simms would've been a good addition to the match when we went a man up. Gros, God bless his work rate, was a possession killer.

Tough game - the tie feels like a loss - but it was a good performance for the most part. Fair ratings though I thought Burch may have earned a 6.5 or 7. His long diagonal balls really test defenses and his defending has been solid.

Greg Vanney is a poor man's Marc Burch.

Posted by: Andrew | July 26, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

well, I think McTavish is a much more solid player at this point than Vanney is. Maybe Boz should sit on the bench for a while. He was badly beaten a few times.

I thought Troy's distribution was much better tonight than it's been all season.

Fred needs to learn to pass the ball. Too much dribbling!!

That referee was pathetic. He was completely unpredictable. How many times did the Morelia players hit our man while clearly not playing the ball on all those headers? They were whacking us as much as we were whacking them. There's no reason for such a huge disparity in the foul count. Somebody call David Stern. And why did it take him a 5 minute conference to decide to send off that punk who attacked Boswell from behind?

Certainly a frustrating evening. But it was a fairly entertaining game. We miss Jaime's holding ability in a match like this one.

Posted by: Glenn | July 26, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

There might be a hint of blame on that Morelia goal...the guy had loads and loads of time after the ball switched to him. He should not have so much time to receive the ball, look at goal and pick his spot, and take a quality second touch. DC continued to leave that left flank unmarked during the second half as they got slide to the right.

Finally, the pitch can be blamed for dismal play in the air. I would be surprised if DC won even 30% of balls served into the Morelia eighteen.

The lack of finishing is going to kill them down the strech.

Honestly, Morelia did not look terribly impressive (especially their keeper - guy cannot distribute). They cannot hold a lead being a man up? America will not let DC off so kindly.

Posted by: Erick | July 26, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why so many MLS coaches refused to use their subs. I understand many squads have thin benchs but it gets unreal at times. Bradley holds his subs for no reason, Houston did likewise tonight. DC also needs to clean up its play, the unnecessary yellow cards come back to haunt us later in the game as well in the competition.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Coming from the game, that was very disappointing and clearly felt like a loss.

Though you can't do anything about the shot on the goal, there were two things United could have done. First, the man who played the initial ball had way too much time to find the open man. Secondly, he never should have been so open, and even then he wasn't closed down fast enough as the ball was getting to him. Never should have been able to get the shot off in the first place.

Brian Carroll wasn't great or anything, but he seemed much better than he has much of the season. At least he wasn't a turnover machine. Not a great game for Benny though, by his usual standards. Burch impressed me though.

No need to say much about the ref, he was pathetic.

Addlery continues to be useless. This was one of the few times I've ever thought Dyachenko was doing well, and that substitution was a downgrade in my opinion.

Posted by: G-Dub | July 26, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

On their goal it was so clear that erpen was way out of position......oh, I forgotm........

Posted by: still miss facundo | July 26, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

"Bobby Boswell says Landin grabbed him in a sensitive spot in the moment before he kicked him in the groin area."

I've now had a chance to watch my DVD recording of the Telefutura broadcast, including going through this incident frame by frame. Two things are apparent:

1. Boswell kicked Landin in the knee, or perhaps a couple of inches above the knee, but nowhere near the groin.

2. The two of them were on camera for about five seconds before Boswell kicked Landin. If there was any grabbing of sensitive parts, it took place before then, as the only thing that was apparent in that five-second period was a lot of arm wrestling.

That said, I think that red cards to both of them would have been perfectly justified.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 26, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

"Boswell can't lash out like that -- he should have gotten a red card (maybe not if the 4th official saw the "sensitive" grab)"

But that means that Boswell's action should have been regarded as retaliation, which makes the case for a red card against him that much stronger.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 26, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

"Boswell can't lash out like that -- he should have gotten a red card (maybe not if the 4th official saw the "sensitive" grab)"

But that means that Boswell's action should have been regarded as retaliation, which makes the case for a red card against him that much stronger.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 26, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

JMR-

That seems pretty harsh. I thought Burch and Gomez did pretty well, and most others did average. Emilio had a bad night. Carroll was actually good for the first half hour, then regressed a bit towards the mean. We have been much worse in recent MLS games than we were tonight. It's a disappointing result, but it wasn't like we had to scrape a draw and were totally outclassed.

Everyone calling for more subs to be used-

I would have liked to see Dyachenko stay on (instead of bringing in Addlery, who is just not very good), and maybe bring in Mediate for Fred. Neither of our Brazilians was on their game tonight, and I think Mediate would have been more disciplined on the play that left space for Martinez to score his ridiculous goal. On the flip side, I think the team should adjust to a player pressing forward a lot better than to just look at the gap he left and hope no one else sees it. On another one of Goff's posts, a poster said that Morelia kept its shape much better than us, and he/she was right. If Fred makes that move to press their keeper (whose distribution was poor all night), we need to see someone shift wide for him. No one did anything to help cover the space.

If we want to advance, realistically Sunday is a must-win game. Club America didn't look very good against Houston in the 2nd half (all that I saw), and also managed to foul Ngwenya 10 times (yes, ten). They are vulnerable. If we can pick it up just a bit more, and have Emilio bring his game, we can head to Houston with 4 points.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 26, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

until DC figures out a way to cross the ball from the wings, they will continue to struggle on attack. 90% of their offense is have one of the south americans dribble down the middle and lose the ball or dribble down the middle and attempt to back heel or dump the ball to someone else in the middle. How many crosses from wide? How many shots from any distance/ It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out thta all you have to do is dropp 5 guys across the 18 to stop United

Posted by: bob | July 26, 2007 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I was disappointed by the apparent lack of energy and aggression in the late match. Up two men and needing a goal we didn't seem to push and work hard. Addlery stood out in that regard to me. I've come to the conclusion that Carrol should be benched but who would replace him who is any better? Gros as well was found wanting in ability to beat a man 1v1. Frustrating tie.

Posted by: RRP | July 26, 2007 6:43 AM | Report abuse

It's painfully obvious that this is a different team without Jaime Moreno. Where are all the haters now?

Posted by: Section135 | July 26, 2007 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Goff,

Your comments about Soehn and his poor use of substitutions and the baseball infield causing an Emilio miss are spot on.

Tough one, feels like a loss

Posted by: d | July 26, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

While their goal was certainly a nice shot, I think the man should've been better marked. I was holding the back of my neck with concern before he was passed the ball. If I could sense it like that on the sideline, someone ought be doing the same on the field.

Thought the defense was pretty good overall. Morelia certainly had a number of opportunities though.

I thought Gros was bit off. Agree Olsen wasn't quite up. Thought Dyachenko played well and Addlery less so (though you've got to give him time on the field to prove himself so I don't know that it was a bad sub). 'Nuff said about the ref.

I agree with Bob above, we seem to be dribbling across the 18 into the masses & losing the ball a lot this year. Where are the crosses? Where are the distance shots?

Moreno & Namoff's return will help matters and picking up a someone like Veron would be wonderful but we're not going anywhere special until the players we have now pick up their game.

Posted by: Kire | July 26, 2007 7:54 AM | Report abuse

We went to the game last night - everyone played extremely well. We owned the midfield and the defense did pretty well.

Two things killed DCU - no finishing ability and the poor possession game in the second half. Yea the ref was pathetic but all of his mistakes were in the midfield area and never caused any problems for DC.
How can a professional team miss three point blank open net shots!?! There is simply ZERO NONE NADA excuses.

Posted by: bobF | July 26, 2007 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Club America didn't look very good against Houston in the 2nd half (all that I saw), and also managed to foul Ngwenya 10 times (yes, ten). They are vulnerable. If we can pick it up just a bit more, and have Emilio bring his game, we can head to Houston with 4 points.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 26, 2007 01:08 AM


Club America didn't look good because Houston dominated that game not because they had a bad game. The Dynamo are the real deal and I have yet to see a side in MLS play as well as Houston did last night. If we play America like we played Morelia last night we don't have a chance.

How does Carroll get a 5? Every time on defense he made a foul, every time on attack he gave up the ball. I didn't see one good play from him the entire game and at times he really did look lost on the field and gave no support to players under pressure.

As long as you have Carroll on the field, no matter who you have in back (Vanney, Erpen, God) is going to look bad because they have to cover two positions.

Posted by: Southeasterner | July 26, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad that some other people saw positives out of Carroll. I agree that he hasn't been playing the best lately, but after seeing a '3' I though, 'here we go again.'

Posted by: Jared | July 26, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Carroll is capable of completing anything but a square ball or back pass anymore. He's basically a second attacking midfielder for the opposition now.

Posted by: silentbob | July 26, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Some observations:

*Brian Carroll should sit as soon as Namoff is healthy. Maybe earlier.

*I thought Dyachencko was decent last night. Maybe not enough to have him in the starting lineup when everyone is healthy, but he moved the ball well and created some chances.

*Soehn's substitution patterns have been costing us all season. It's like he becomes a spectator in the second half.

Posted by: Terp | July 26, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

My rating to coach is zero "0"
is time to change the coach; give the job to Talon he will make better job.

Posted by: OrlandoGator | July 26, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I watched the game on TV. After the Mexican goal all I saw was DC United "fans" holding up collectively their middle fingers. Is that a new cool thing to do among the fan-elite? Last game I was at half the chants involved swearing at the other team/supporters.

The fan clubs are swell with their chanting and jumping. But at what point do the rest of us who dont want the idiocy of European fan clubs with their brawls creeping into our game stand up and ask these groups to start policing themselves. I hope DC United starts to notice that most folks who go to DC games have a little more class than that and we find the direction these fan clubs are headed to be disturbing.

DC should have won the game. They just aren't turning out to be a very good team this year.

Posted by: Hacksaw | July 26, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Playing with only one quality striker is absolutely killing us. Dyachenko and Addlery haven't stepped up, but the good news is that McTavish and Burch have. Therefore, assuming that Moreno and Kpene are still out against America, I hope we see this:

------Emilio---Fred-------
----------Gomez-----------
Gros----------------Olsen
------Carroll or Simms----
Burch--Vanney--Bos--McTavish
---------Perkins----------

Also, Gomez really seems to step it up in international play. I wonder if it's because he's extra motivated, or just because he's not being man-marked by the other team's defensive mid.

Posted by: Jeff M | July 26, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Kire - Addlery has had enough time to prove his ability on the field and has done so. He has proven that he has none. It's time to release him and sign a forward away from a USL1 squad or something like that. Anyone would sure be a better option than Addlery.

I liked seeing McTavish in central defense though I doubt Vanney has lost his starting spot. When Namoff comes back, the D line will probably be Namoff/Boz/Vanney/McT. If that's the case, maybe Burch can be a forward off the bench.

Posted by: DE | July 26, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

About Boswell...for the love of God, why aren't these players wearing cups???

Who did the play-by-play on the MLS feed? I thought it was great. Not only was he naming every player immediately, but after the golazo, he said that it reminded him of WC2006's goal of the tournament -- the one that sent Mexico home in extra time versus Argentina. That's what I was thinking, too.

Posted by: RK | July 26, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

DCU should have put Morelia away and the score could've been 3 or 4 to 1. Morelia
is the worst of the 4 Mexican teams playing.

Club America have more dynamic attacking
options through their foreign legion: Cabanas, Insua and Castroman; the rest of the squad are average.

Carroll is useless and showed his ability (or lack of) and weaknesses exposed. We should trade him for Stuart Holden or Andy
Dorman while people think he still has value.

Posted by: la_chingada | July 26, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

At one point a bit after the Mariposas Monarchas got the red card, their fans started chanting "DEFENSE UNITED!" That pretty much summed it up for me. I can't figure out why we make so many back passes and are so conservative some times, especially when a man up. I think we need to learn to play better team offense now, with better spacing on the field and better movement off the ball. We also MUST finish those open net tap in chances (Fred, Emilio). The fans rightly boooed the players at the end of the game, which should have been theirs for the taking - golaso or not.

Posted by: Sean G | July 26, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Seems pretty obvious to me at this point that the two top priorities for new players should be:

1. Another quality player up top. Moreno can't always go, and when he's not there, this team withers. Dyachencko did not earn his spot out there. Had one decent run and one decent pass all night. Not enough. Addlery hustles like hell but has no touch. Another option is needed here.

2. A flank player. We need someone who can play wide (and stay wide, looking at you here Fred), so that Benny can drop to D-mid and Carroll can sit. As others have mentioned before, BC is having that "Darn, I didn't catch on in Europe" slump year. Give him some time on the bench to see if he can get it together. He looks awful out there. Jesus Christ, this team couldn't provide a decent cross to the spot if their lives depended on it.

For me, the one bright spot last night was Burch. He's really been a revelation at left back. I don't see why he should be replaced anytime soon. Seems like our back four should be Namoff--Vanney/Boz--McT--Burch as soon as Namoff is healthy.

Worst result of the season so far. Very demoralizing. Soehn needs to try something different in terms of coaching and motivation, becuase what he is doing now just isn't working. You can't lose that lead in that game.

Posted by: Good Lord | July 26, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I think one point should be subtracted from all the players--a bit of grade inflation. We played a team that was clearly in preseason form--at home no less--and we couldn't get a win.

* Boswell should have been tossed.
* Gros seems to have lost his confidence.
* Carroll seems to have lost his confidence.
* Fred doesn't defend well. Where was he on the goal? Yes it was a great strike, but the guy was open in the box! And, Fred was pushed too far up the field.
* Olsen looks tired. I'm glad he got a national team call-up, but I think it's hurt his MLS performances ever since.
* Simms needs to play. He's better than Carroll. Is he in the doghouse or something?

I'm still a believer in this team, but we have some work to do.

Posted by: jj | July 26, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Who did the play-by-play on the MLS feed? I thought it was great."

That was Tony Limarzi, who has done the radio PBP locally for United for some years on WMET (1160 AM). And remember that he doesn't have a color commentator to give him a chance to take a breather; he just goes the full 90.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 26, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I don't know if it's missing pieces, team chemistry, the formation change, coaching or a combination of all the above, but this year's team just doesn't have that consistent ability to either deliver the knockout blow or just shut down an opponent that all the great teams have most of the time. Even in a lot of our wins, we've let the opponent hang around and stay in the game. It's like we seem to have this feeling that if we keep plugging away doing the same thing that the goals will come - even if the opponent has figured out that if you crowd the middle of the field that we are a lot less dangerous. Other than Olsen and occassionally Gros, we seem to be allergic to the idea of taking the ball to the line and sending a cross in even though we have some players who are decent targets for headers. At least it's a long sesaon still and with a playoff system there's plenty of opportunity to improve.

Posted by: TH | July 26, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Where was the ref on that elbow Fred got to the face early in the game?
And, why did he let Monarcas get away with so much trash?
It is obvious that he is not a very smart man, forgetting who committed what foul and whatnot, and should have to go back to ref training school.

The ref was abismal,
but then again, so was our finishing.

Twas our game to lose. It feels like a loss to me.

So much to be frustrated about.
I hope we are clicking when we play them again. I'd love to see us run up the score on those PUNKS.

Posted by: bribri | July 26, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I echo a lot of the comments above. I agree with Hacksaw that all the floating long fingers are overkill, but to be honest, most of the chants that the Screaming Eagles lead are positive and supportive of DC United and not anything else. But the total blaming of the refs and the use of the middle finger when something goes wrong can and should change. I don't mind yelling at him, and I've been in his shoes and known that I've missed a few calls, but creativity like the "who's your father" song is a lot better than expletives.

I also wasn't a very big fan of Gomez last night, and haven't been all year. Both goals were pure class, but I distinctly remember 30 minutes in seeing Gomez sucking wind and still in his defensive half when Fred and Emilio just had the back three of Morelia to beat and needed those extra midfielders to get forward. And then I don't remember Gomez doing much until Morelia got the goal, when he became a Dynamo. Is there an injury that's been nagging him that we haven't heard about, or is Gomito just out of shape? And how does he think that's going to get him DP money if he only goes for 40 minutes a game and then coasts? I think that's part of what Carroll's problem has been this year too -- he's spending a lot of time having to cover for Gomez and work one on two in the midfield.

But hats off to Martinez for that goal, I thought DC played well enough to win, Fred and Emilio shoulda had a goal a piece, but that's part of the beauty of this game. Someone light a fire in Gomito though, please?

Posted by: G-Unit | July 26, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"The fan clubs are swell with their chanting and jumping. But at what point do the rest of us who dont want the idiocy of European fan clubs with their brawls creeping into our game stand up and ask these groups to start policing themselves." --Hacksaw

Not to be mean but if you don't like passion, the Nats play 81 times a year at RFK. I think there is a big jump from sticking middle fingers up to "brawls creeping into our game" ala Europe of the 80's.

Posted by: Rocko | July 26, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

CONCACAF refs at their prime last night!!!

A WWE ref is better than the Jamiacan dude. A Yellow for Boswell for kicking Landin in the groin/nuts? A Red for both was desreved. One for the kick, the other for retaliating.

HORRIBLE job by the ref, line judges, and 4th ref.

Posted by: Vic | July 26, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't confuse passion with rudeness -- rudeness that could drive people away, such as families or younger kids.

Posted by: RK | July 26, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Im not sure where some of the fans of DC united get off being so self righteous about their "passion" for the game. You can be passionate without being an idiot showing a lack of respect for other teams and other fans.

And, yes, disrespect and insults are the first step to violence.

Posted by: Hacksaw | July 26, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Gomez did not become a Dynamo, he's still with DC United!

Posted by: garbaggio | July 26, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

From what I've seen of the other 3 MLS vs Mexican team SuperLiga games, the Mexican teams could claim at least much crowd support as the MLS team in each of them.

That did not seem the case at all at RFK last night so good job by DC's supporters.

Posted by: garbaggio | July 26, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

13k, not great but it's midweek so I guess it's cool. How does Club America support compare? I'm hoping for a better crowd.

Posted by: Logan Circle | July 26, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Of the four Mexican teams, Morelia is the least supported, anyway.

Posted by: RK | July 26, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

On Carroll - Get off his back! Jeez! He is playing pretty well - his best - no. But with Gomez out to lunch alot more pressure is on Carroll.

Gomez has some serious fitness issues. He was gone for most of the second half - last night. Yes he worked very hard for about half the game. On the last two corner kicks last night he just stood there looking like a tree as the ball went right past him. I vote to putting Fred in his position for second half of the next game and bringing Simms to play wide.


Posted by: bobf | July 26, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"I watched the game on TV. After the Mexican goal all I saw was DC United "fans" holding up collectively their middle fingers. Is that a new cool thing to do among the fan-elite? Last game I was at half the chants involved swearing at the other team/supporters.

The fan clubs are swell with their chanting and jumping. But at what point do the rest of us who dont want the idiocy of European fan clubs with their brawls creeping into our game stand up and ask these groups to start policing themselves. I hope DC United starts to notice that most folks who go to DC games have a little more class than that and we find the direction these fan clubs are headed to be disturbing.

DC should have won the game. They just aren't turning out to be a very good team this year."

I think its pretty obvious that DC United "fans" are on their best behavior whenever they play a Mexican team.

I agree w/ Hacksaw, once violence starts to seep into the stands, there is no going back. There is a fine line between passion and fanaticism.

Posted by: 761-091 | July 26, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Burch played a couple of terrific balls from the left, especially early in the first half. He had some good exchanges with Fred to get forward -- the miss off the bump in the turf was initially set up with Burch and Fred keeping posession in some tight space on the left, I believe.

Posted by: Silver Spring DCU | July 26, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I notice you only rate the players.

How about rating Tommy?

What would he get?

Posted by: mighty! | July 26, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Who are these people talking about violence in the stands? The only violence I saw last night was Boswell getting cheap shotted by the butterflies.

Posted by: Arrrlington | July 26, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If you find DC's core fans disturbing, you would probably be more comfortable at Arrowhead Stadium. (Don't forget your seat cushion.)

The only United fans that bother me are the ones who think the seats are there to sit in.

Posted by: So Md | July 26, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The supporters groups are a great asset of the club. Their support of United in times of success and distress is to be comended (Ahem, Energy Drink Jersey). These people travel with the club to support away games (serious effort in this country) and are always tailgating/attending matches/buying merchandise/AND (most crucial) buying gallons of Aramark $7 beer. They have also never been shy of welcoming new members with open arms and making RFK a premiere (minus the baseball diamond) venue for the sport.

However, to side with Hacksaw for a moment - he brings a valid point that perhaps some of the reactions towards officials have become overdone and hopefully the leadership of both the Barra and the Screaming Eagles will help to eliminate crass and encourage the creativity to stem any sort of reaction from the club due to television pressure/PR pressure.

Hacksaw - while your opinion is great, remember that these groups are a pillar of the club's success and will do what is necessary. They are responsible citizens and fans and work with the club in a symbiotic relationship that other supporters groups in MLS would kill for.

Don't forget that the average Redskins/Ravens game features just as much seedy behavior and a similar amount poor language/actions from fans.

Posted by: UVA-United | July 26, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I think you're missing the point.

Posted by: Hacksaw | July 26, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Right before his goal, the BBs/SEs had gained the attention of their #4 who was smirking up at the crowd. A funny "Chivas Reject" chant broke out.

I thought we might have distracted him, but then he scored. That was not a "Chivas Reject" goal.

Posted by: Chris B | July 26, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

DE
I agree Addlery has had some time to prove his ability however, so have the other young guns at forward and none have stood out. While Dyachenko played pretty well in my book it was the first time he's looked good all year. If he hadn't been given another chance last night we wouldn't have seen that. I'm just saying, the same applies to Addlery. IMO, we keep rotating the young guys until one stands out. Hopefully, Kpene (who's shown a bit better than Addlery or Dyachenko) comes back soon and can rejoin the competition. Until someone is clearly superior though I think you gotta give the guys their shots.

I think the Namoff/Boz/Vanney/McT./Burch line coming along well though just how good they'll get is still an open issue. With luck, we won't have any more injuries and will have the option of choosing which one to sit.

Posted by: Kire | July 26, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Anyone able to view the highlights for either of the superliga games last night?

Posted by: comfortstarr | July 26, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I think you've hit your complaint quota. Stop by again sometime.

Posted by: Arrrlington | July 26, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"That was Tony Limarzi, who has done the radio PBP locally for United for some years on WMET (1160 AM). "

Saying good things about DCU is as painful for me as losing a mid-major internal organ, but Limarzi was pretty good. His only bit of boneheadery was suggesting that a ball bouncing off the assistant referee would keep it in play, if the AR was right on the line (No.)

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | July 26, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Bring back RAY HUDSON!!

Posted by: Garret | July 26, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"There's a lot of talent on this team, and I'm talking Anna Nicole Smith type of talent!"

Posted by: Garret | July 26, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"His only bit of boneheadery was suggesting that a ball bouncing off the assistant referee would keep it in play, if the AR was right on the line (No.)"

Actually, yes, so long as the whole of the ball has not crossed the whole of the line.

Posted by: Grade 8 | July 26, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I think we'll be seeing a lot of Burch over the next few months. After the last 2 games, he's put himself in position to be in the starting lineup regardless of who else is healthy.

The blamestorming people on this blog have shifted from Facundo Erpen to Brian Carroll. He's the most at-risk starter in midfield, and he is definitely not playing up to form. There are a couple of factors that make his job more difficult however.

Our up-the-middle approach requires much more skill (both in distribution and on the ball) from a central mid than does a balanced attack that varies between central and wing play. This makes the mistakes more common and more costly because the other team packs the middle to snuff out our attack. Gomez has been completely shut down because of this, and Carroll is making a lot more mistakes this year for the same reason.

Our lack of speed anywhere on the field makes us more vulnerable to the counter, while simultaneously less likely to threaten with the counter. Our opponents can draw the line high, yet we must draw the line low so as not to get beat in a footrace for through balls. Both of those make winning the midfield battles more difficult. It also allows the other team to set up the attack closer to our goal, because they have the better line. All you need is one missed mark, and you get goals like last night.

Posted by: LeesburgSoccerFan | July 26, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how you mean, Mastodon Juan. A ball that hits the AR /would/ keep it in play, so long as the AR was close enough on the line.

The requirement for a ball out of play is that the whole of the ball crosses the touch line. If the AR is close up against the touch line and the whole of the ball doesn't cross, then it's in play. A ball striking an official keeps it in play (again, so long as the whole of the ball has not crossed the touch or end line), same as if it hit the crossbar or corner flag and stayed in.

(Law 9, Ball In and Out of Play).

Posted by: Sean | July 26, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I see my fellow Grade 8 and I came to the same conclusion at the same time. :)

Posted by: Sean | July 26, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Grade 8 and Sean, I didn't make that clear: I'm assuming that since the ball struck the AR, he saw the position of the ball relative to the touch line, and made the correct call. I see by my use of "would keep" instead of "kept" that I implied that it was a rule. He signalled for the throw-in, so I was didn't know why Limarzi was seeing it as at all contentious.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | July 26, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

reminding the ref mother or cursing an oponent is part of the game, here, there everywhere. dc united front office should have a section where children and woman should be refrain from this, so people like you (hacksaw) should leaves us the f*** alone.

Posted by: koolcaio | July 26, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"Hacksaw - while your opinion is great, remember that these groups are a pillar of the club's success and will do what is necessary. They are responsible citizens and fans and work with the club in a symbiotic relationship that other supporters groups in MLS would kill for."

Yeah, right. The supporters groups would be a lot better - real pillars - if they perhaps joined the game when is started, didn't go right for the most offensive language and quit fighting amonst themselves. The Barra "empty section" ply earlier this year was juvenile and did nothing but make United look bad.

Posted by: Not Barra | July 26, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"dc united front office should have a section where children and woman should be refrain from this, so people like you (hacksaw) should leaves us the f*** alone."

This is exactly why theaters, ships, trains, and planes have historically maintained box seats/balconies, as well as separate class sections. The gentlemen and the steerage class have always been separated.

Posted by: greg | July 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Hacksaw, get your butt to RFK and your whining will have more credibility. Take some action and get off your sofa. Lead a cheer for the bleeping referee or something. Any participation at the game is worth ten times more than a curmudgeonly crank from the sofa.

GM

Posted by: GrillMaster | July 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING MY DC UNITED CRUMBLE EVERY WEEK. THE COACH HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!PLAYERS NEED TO BE MOTIVATED TO PLAY WITH PASSION OR GET OUT......
YOURS TRULY....
A VERY PISS OFF FAN

P.S
DID YOU SEE THE HOUSTON GAME....

Posted by: CAPELLO | July 26, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING MY DC UNITED CRUMBLE EVERY WEEK. THE COACH HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!PLAYERS NEED TO BE MOTIVATED TO PLAY WITH PASSION OR GET OUT......
YOURS TRULY....
A VERY PISS OFF FAN

P.S
DID YOU SEE THE HOUSTON GAME....

Posted by: CAPELLO | July 26, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'M SICK AND TIRED OF SEEING MY DC UNITED CRUMBLE EVERY WEEK. THE COACH HAS TO GO!!!!!!!!!!PLAYERS NEED TO BE MOTIVATED TO PLAY WITH PASSION OR GET OUT......
YOURS TRULY....
A VERY PISS OFF FAN

P.S
DID YOU SEE THE HOUSTON GAME....

Posted by: CAPELLO | July 26, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Part of the reason the Barra and those around were giving the fnger after the Morelia goal was that Martinez came right up to the supporters by the sideline and yelled very clearly in Spanish not so family-friendly words. Even if you couldn't hear, you could read his lips easily. Anyone complaining about the Barra should stay home or go to a baseball game. Its a free country and if you get offended by that type of passion, then you're in the wrong place. Yes there's a fine line between that type of offensiveness and stepping up to violence, but one thing DC supporters have not been is violent. The fans have been like that for 11 years, so don't give me the excuse that its the next step. Until that line is crossed, you got no argument as far as I'm concerned. And for whoever argues the Barra are not model citizens who have an important relationship with the fans, then you really don't know what you're talking about, as a fact. Just because you don't approve doesn't mean you can speak on matter you don't know about.

Posted by: G-Dub | July 26, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"unable to capitalize on scoring chances..." - This seems like a bit of a trend, wouldn't you say? It's a good thing we signed draftee Ricky Schramm - a proven goal scorer. Wait... we didn't? Unfortunate.

Posted by: special sauce | July 26, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

All this righteous indignation is a crack up. The Moral Police have spoken. Time to get down off our seats and smile nice for the tv cameras so the team doesn't get hurt.

Posted by: BarraBrava | July 26, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

THis discussion shows the beuaty of the current loud-side, quiet-side setup. There's a place for the twenty-something drink-a-gallon-of-beer-at-$7-a-pop set, and a place for the bring-the-wife-and-kids set. The supporters groups with their colorful cheers and the family set with their young ears both have a place at RFK, and need to appreciate that the other exists. Some of the quiet siders were once young and drunk, and appreciate that it was fun at the time. They just don't want to have to explain it to their six-year-old.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

This quote is from the story in the dead-tree version of the Post: "Boswell kicked Landin in the groin area while attempting to make contact with the ball."

Goff, I don't know whether, given your deadlines, you had the benefit of looking at the replays repeatedly and in detail before filing your story. I just looked at the video highlights at mlsnet.com that you directed our attention to, and it confirms what I found on my DVD recording of the Telefutura feed when I got home last night:

1. Boswell made contact just above the knee. Landin seemed to concur, since he was shown holding his lower thigh, not his crotch.

2. Boswell was definitely NOT trying to make contact with the ball, which was on the ground and rolling away from the two players. Boswell swung through with an uppercut motion, as if he were a pointyball player trying to kick an extra point.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | July 26, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I love Barra and the Screaming Eagles but I still think that Hacksaw has a point. I love jumping and singing, but when we think about the most recognizable fan scenes in soccer? The Kop and you'll never walk alone? The end terraces at any EPL game, or the waves in Mexico? They're not cussing and screaming at all.

And yes, I have led the "who's your father referee" songs before, but nobody wants to sing along. But yes, I'm in the SE and I try and lead other chants. The "Red Red Red" chant was great.

And if Martinez was cursing you guys in Spanish, I'll give you a mulligan on that. But not against the refs all the time.

And no violence in the fan sections? Didn't a couple of guys get knifed in the first couple of years? Granted, I haven't heard of any problems recently, but there has been violence.

Posted by: G-Unit | July 26, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Worst Officiating Ever.

Posted by: CD | July 26, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Much as I've criticized Carroll, I do think that some of his crappy form is attributable to DCU going from two DMs in a 3-5-2 during the Nowak era to one DM in a 4-4-2.

Whether he's mostly or only partially at fault, the point remains that he cannot handle the responsibility of a lone DM and must be benched or moved to a different position. I completely agree that Simms should have an opportunity to win the DM job, and don't know if or why he's been in Soehn's doghouse. He played well at DM last year whenever Carroll was out (though again, that may have had to do with the 2 DMs set-up).

Posted by: silentbob | July 26, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I think you're missing the point.


Posted by: Hacksaw | July 26, 2007 11:06 AM

I think you missed the game, or at least the actions of the Morelia player. Immediately after the goal the supperters groups started chearing in support of United as we always do... the finger waiving didn't start until their player started gesturing to the fans.


Things the camera doesn't pick up that you would have seen it if you had bothered to show up at the stadium.

Besdies the only two idiots at the game were mexican fans. The supporters groups (all three) do a very good job of internal policing.

I've seen far more violence at every other sporting event (baseball, b-ball, football, hockey,etc..) than I have at a DCU game

IF hacksaw has a point it got lost in his self-righeous indignation and supposed moral superiority.

Didn't seem to bother the broadcasters who kept the camera on us

Posted by: WC | July 26, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, right. The supporters groups would be a lot better - real pillars - if they perhaps joined the game when is started, didn't go right for the most offensive language and quit fighting amonst themselves. The Barra "empty section" ply earlier this year was juvenile and did nothing but make United look bad."


Actually I-and many others-are in our seats 15-30 minutes before the games on a regular basis. Others have raised some points about fan behavior that have been discussed many times. However, your own juvenile remarks have very little credibility.

Posted by: towson | July 26, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The easy solution to dealing with the Barra or Screaming Eagles or La Norte is to sit in another section.

I sat with my family for the last three years on the "quiet" side. We moved to the "loud" side this year, behind the hinchas. The seats are exactly the same. The view is exactly the same.

Whereas overseas having the fanatics in one tiny section would be seen as bad (often entire stands or ends of the stadium are all pouncing, rabid hinchas) in DC it means that 75% of the stadium seating is quiet and generally free from offensive chanting (spanish or english). In other words, there is always somewhere else to go.

Personally, I want my kids to see the Eagles passion (ever notice the song leaders never actually get to SEE the game as they are alwasy facing their section boosting the chanting). If my sons manage to discern a foul word, I fix it quick. They know what is acceptable or not, on and off the pitch.

Generally, families are not placed in the midst of the Barra anyway. Those sections are mostly adults in their 20s and 30s.

Like with anything else, we have choice. If the view, sun, aisle, seats, or language are bothersome, there are thousands of better seats available.

Hats off to ANYONE who supports the team by spending their money on a ticket!

Posted by: Erick | July 27, 2007 12:21 AM | Report abuse

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