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What to Read

Well, besides the Insider.

*George Solomon looks back at Beckham's visit to RFK.

*Mike Wilbon takes your questions.

*A D.C. resident worries about the mayor and Poplar Point.

*Caps owner Ted Leonsis wonders why D.C.'s meat-and-potatoes "sports" radio station hates soccer so much.

Your thoughts on any or all of these topics are welcome here.....

By Steve Goff  |  August 13, 2007; 9:26 AM ET
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I hope somebody in Fenty's office slides that letter onto his desk. Well said Paul.

Posted by: AlecW81 | August 13, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

1. It's a good thing I was seated--I might almost start to think that soccer is widely covered by many media sources!

2. I heard Kojo and Janetta talk about Poplar Point. While generically her position about putting it out for competitive bids sounds nice, it ignores the reality of the situation: you don't want someone other than the owners of the soccer team building the stadium (otherwise the team isn't profitable and can't stay and then the stadium loses money). Or you open it up to competitive bidding for alternatives other than a soccer stadium and then you effectively say to a unique, one-of-a-kind community entity "we know you needed this land for your church/school/hospital/stadium but despite your long-standing relationship and commitment to the city, we're not going to work to make sure you have space to stay here." And that's a helluva message to send any organization--that the organization is committed to the city but the city isn't committed to that organization.

Posted by: JoeW | August 13, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The Ted Leonsis blog was interesting. I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing radio DJ's reprimanded and removed for on air hating of soccer. Especially in markets with MLS and huge hispanic audiences.

Posted by: Drew-ROCNY | August 13, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I love the op-ed, but I still think Fenty's "opening up for bids" move is a way to save face publicly before going ahead with the Chang/McFarlane plan. Seeing that actually made me more confident, as it is a "normal" political move amongst the big boys.

Posted by: Logan Circle | August 13, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

It's nice to hear a few more voices singing in the choir.

As much as I agree with Ted Leonsis, I doubt we'll see any changes from the anti-soccer media. Bobby Boswell's bashing of ESPN and Ted Leonsis's article have really just pointed out that there is a very large population in the major sports media that doesn't understand soccer, and therefore do not take it seriously.

It's a shame, but I imagine that will only change as new (pro or neutral soccer) personalities enter the industry. The anti-soccer people will continue to be anti-soccer because they believe that's what their listeners believe too.

Posted by: TCompton | August 13, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Good blog by Leonsism he hit it on the head. While I emjoy 980 and 92.7, they are TOTALLY clueless about soccer. If all they can do is bash (because they are totally clueless) why not just bring in someone who can talk about it and give their point of view on the game.

They are alway quick to point that:
1. Its boring.
2. Americans dont like it.
3. There is too much diving.
4. Not enough scoring.

At the same time, they neglect to compare soccer with other more established sports in the country, all which have their own sets of problems, mind you, just as, or even more serious than soccer.

1. Roids in baseball.
2. Roids in football.
3. Refs gambling in basketball.
4. Sketchy reffing in NBA playoffs.
5. Baseball isn't the most exciting game either - pitch, strike, ball back to the pitcher, wind up, look to second, get off the bag, reset.
6. Golf - as if golf is a sport some kid from the inner city can play - just how much $$$ do you need to invest to play golf?

Posted by: Vic | August 13, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

"The Ted Leonsis blog was interesting. I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing radio DJ's reprimanded and removed for on air hating of soccer. Especially in markets with MLS and huge hispanic audiences."

The moron radio hosts would argue that treating soccer as red meat to throw at their soccer-hating listenership helps ratings, citing soccer-bashing callers.

The way to hit back is to write to the programmers and let them know that this BS is costing them more listeners than it is gaining. That'll stop it, and the Jim Romes of the world will be mandated to watch Champions League games at Summers or lose their jobs.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 13, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I appreciate Ted's comments. 980 has limited appeal, which is proven by the fact that Sports Reporters often strays into non-sport topics during drive time. Perhaps, as Wilbon suggests,organic growth is the area to focus on and, eventually, market forces will draw 980 and others into covering soccer. Ultimately, can 980 sustain itself on Czaban rambling on about his latest golf outing?

Posted by: Friendship Heights | August 13, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The Soccer-hating by mainstream sports media is a cultural/political issue, an "angry white male" response to the two main groups who support soccer in the US -- well-educated middle-class Americans and immigrants/2ndGen Americans, predominantly Hispanics. It's not the game they hate, but the kind of people in the US who support it.

Posted by: SteveW | August 13, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

any word on mclaren's thoughts of MLS play?

Posted by: dcu_fan | August 13, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I understand how soccer might not be everyone's cup of tea-it has been years since I watched more than a half inning of a baseball game. But the cultural bashing of soccer is puzzling. I rarely watch or listen to sports talk radio, or the jim romes of the world, but when their words are put in front of me I just don't get where the hatred comes from. Is it he fact that thr "rest of the world" is generally better than the united states? Does soccer represent some element of economic and cultural globalization that the key demographics of these shows find personally threatening? Does it tie back into white, male fear of immigrants? I find american football and baseball tedious but I couldn't imagine expending energy arguing that these sports are "bad". It would be like arguing the advantages of red wine versus white wine. Its one thing to ignore soccer it is another thing to spend time on the air, or inches in a paper, to spew criticisms about the growth of soccer. I would be interested in others theories on this.

Posted by: shepchews | August 13, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

RE: Ted's article...

I like the Sports Reporters and enjoy their witty banter, but cringe whenever soccer comes up as a topic (usually granted 1 minute or less). Because they don't know the subject very well I can't bear to listen and have to turn the station. In the doldrums of the summer with little football action going on they will drag out the same old anti-soccer routine and beat that horse. Oy.

Posted by: Beans | August 13, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Ted Leonsis' blog was fantastic. Thanks for posting, Goff!

Posted by: jva | August 13, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

LC has an excellent point. This may certainly just be a way of burnishing Fenty's credentials. However, there have been so many ups and downs on the issue of the stadium (mostly involving the seemingly never ending land transfer process) that United fans are understandably skeptical.

For my part, it is very difficult for me to imagine anyone coming in with a more comprehensive development plan. United has been working on this for years and their plan clearly demonstrates a desire for a long term presence in a revitalized 8th Ward of DC.

Posted by: Dan | August 13, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I think every sports fan sees "their sport" as being under attack from haters. It wasn't very long ago in the grand scheme of things that football was a young sport grasping at national exposure, and I think you see some residual energy coming from that in the established sports voices of this country. Just as boxing was on top of the world 40 years ago and now finds itself grasping for relevance, it could happen to any other sport, and I see that fear in a lot of sports commentary.

Posted by: Logan Circle | August 13, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Those bozo's on 980 lost me years ago. Disinterest is fine, but to stand up and proudly be ignorant is another. That station has little relevance in this market anymore without the Skins and ESPN. To purposely drive another part of the market away shows their cluelessness.

On a positive note, I was pleased to hear Tommy Smyth on the John Riggin's show on my way to the game last Thursday. Riggo was clearly unfamiliar with any part of the sport but asked decent questions with an open mind.

Like any normal adult would.

Posted by: JkR | August 13, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Of course, what should not get lost in the argument is that the ONLY way to make soccer appeal to a wider US audience, is by the USMNT having good performances at the international level.

After the 1994 and 2002 WC, people talked about it, after 1998 and 2006 not so much. The World Cup is the only time when the general US public will get exposed to soccer, so it doesnt matter if the US loses to Brazil 4-0 in a friendly, doesnt matter if they lose theior 3 games in the Copa America, as long as they beat Ghana in the World Cup and advance to subsequent rounds.

Posted by: Vic | August 13, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Vic, the issue is that guys like the Sports Reporters, who aren't athletes, is that 'roids to them only de-legitimizes records and they think it is just cheating.

They don't care about what kind of real damage it does to great athletes like what happened to Lyle Alzado.

Those two can choke on it for all I care.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Vic, the issue is that guys like the Sports Reporters, who aren't athletes, is that 'roids to them only de-legitimizes records and they think it is just cheating.

They don't care about what kind of real damage it does to great athletes like what happened to Lyle Alzado.

Those two can choke on it for all I care.

Posted by: F'em | August 13, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

And no love to George Solomon. Really good stuff from him, but he's always gotten it. I just didn't realize he was a soccer fan, or as big as he is, until now. I knew I liked him a lot for some reason.

Oh, and I'm jealous as hell that he's out at Lenox for the month. That area of far Western Mass is gorgeous. He should go up late in the year and watch a NESCAC soccer game at Williams. Great stuff.

Posted by: DC CenturionsShield | August 13, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I should have saluted Ted for his Blog post. I do so now....

Posted by: JkR | August 13, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Well said, Steve W. I think you right. There are strong social-class elements in soccer bashing. One of the things I love about MLS is the uniting of the working class hispanics with the educated middle and upper-middle class whites (of which I am one. Note that I learned to speak Spanish in college and during a study abroad trip to Chile -- where I also fell in love with futbol).

Anytime different social classes are united around... well... United, it makes me happy. When one socio-economic group feels threatened and so turns to bashing others, I get the opposite feeling.

Posted by: David | August 13, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

JkR is right about 980. Completely without a purpose save for the Redskins. One point worth mentioning is that the Thompson Show did a decent job when WC demanded coverage.

Posted by: DCU | August 13, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"I love the op-ed, but I still think Fenty's "opening up for bids" move is a way to save face publicly before going ahead with the Chang/McFarlane plan."

This is a plausible interpretation. To make it happen, all the District has to do is specify that all bidders must include a stadium as part of their proposal. However, if Fenty and Co. don't include this provision in their request for bids, then we should be concerned.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | August 13, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Soy United! | August 13, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

This makes me sick to my stomach... no other team in MLS should be allowed to use the "United" moniker...

http://mlsrumors.blogspot.com/2007/08/expansion-st-louis-united-to-become-15.html

http://www.stlouissoccerunited.com/

If Goff give us more to play with today, I promise to stop dredging up this drivel...

Posted by: Soy United! | August 13, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"I find american football and baseball tedious but I couldn't imagine expending energy arguing that these sports are 'bad'. It would be like arguing the advantages of red wine versus white wine. Its one thing to ignore soccer it is another thing to spend time on the air, or inches in a paper, to spew criticisms about the growth of soccer."

Why I am reminded of people who post messages to this blog that take gratuitous swipes at women's soccer, instead of simply ignoring it if doesn't interest them? Perhaps we should get our own house in order first.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | August 13, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Soy United,

While I agree in principle, English football has several teams with United in their club titles. Newcastle, Man U, West Ham, Colchester, Sheffield, etc. I think what will happen is, on the national level, the team in St. Louis will be called St. Louis and DC will most often be called United.

-Dan

Posted by: Dan | August 13, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I would love to ask Mike Wilbon this question on his chat today but can't. (Some wierd submit issue I have here at work)

Why is it when mainstream media is sitting around bashing soccer they never offer an opposing point of view? Shows like PTI, The Sports Reporters (both of which are ESPN shows that happen to pay to broadcast soccer) and Jim Romes all seem to cater to the good 'ol boy network without chance of rebuttal. Why can't they have Steve Goff or Grant Wahl there to refute the very points they beat into the ground? What are they scared of?

Anyone want to help me out?

Posted by: Chico | August 13, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Let the haters hate. I would rather have fans of the game want to come to watch soccer than just a bunch of sheep who feel that they have to love a sport because the media tells them to.

Any word on if Adu will play/start tomorrow? How has he been progressing in pre-season?

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 13, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

There is no indication as to when a new St. Louis side would actually commence play. Would MLS be willing to have an odd number of teams, after this year's experience with 13 teams? Would they go to three five-team divisions? Or will St. Louis simply have to wait until the 16th franchise is identified? Also, do they have an interim venue lined up, or do they have to wait until the Collinsville stadium is a reality? It sounds as if the investors are not asking for public funding or any other special assistance from the city, and they don't mention any particular regulatory hurdles to be overcome.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | August 13, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I too heard Smyth on Riggins' show last week. I seem to find current and ex-athletes giving soccer a fair shake (Chad Johnson, Shaq, Riggo, etc). Its older men, generally white, (referenced above) who are clearly NOT athletic that generally bash the sport.

Posted by: Hoost | August 13, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Hoost | August 13, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Southeasterner:

Adu is on Benfica's roster for tomorrow . . .

Posted by: NamelessFaceless | August 13, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I just hope Wilbon doesn't get a question complaining about his article last week, making soccer fans look whiny and defensive...

Posted by: RK | August 13, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping St. Louis gets their team, and the website is pretty impressive. My view is that the ownership team is called St. Louis Soccer United. Don't think it's a given that the team, if there is a team, will be called United. I like the old Steamers name.

Posted by: plc | August 13, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, no Wilbon discussion yet at 1:25. Not like Wilbon to be late, is it?

Posted by: JkR | August 13, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

My bad, he's there....

Posted by: JkR | August 13, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

He's always late, but usually finds an excuse that allows him to name-drop ;)

Posted by: RK | August 13, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm not going to give the "Sports Reporters" any hits on that link.

Posted by: spectre | August 13, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I like Leonsis' comments a lot. He's right on.

Posted by: Dave | August 13, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I like Leonsis' comments a lot. He's right on.

Posted by: Dave | August 13, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Read an article on St Louis interviewing potential owner. They mention the one thing he has yet to plan is a name, saying it has become kind of a "supersition" at this point. He also mentioned that if the corn isn't too high you can see the city and arch from proposed site.

Posted by: Huey | August 13, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

St. Louis United...while I don't like another team using 'United' in their name, in this case it makes as much sense as the use of United for DC.

St. Louis is divided down the middle by the Mississippi. East St. Louis (the most dangerous city in the country when measured without the rest of st. louis), is in Illinois and St. Louis is in Missouri. The stadium, it looks like, will be just outside of East St. Louis, where the land is cheaper.

I believe that East St.Louis is not legally considered the same city either. So calling the team St. Louis United makes a lot of sense in that it unites the two cities.

Posted by: bribri | August 13, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Huey: Do you have a link to the article you read? Is this suburban location well served by public transit? The traditional hotbed of soccer in St. Louis has been the Italian/Irish neighborhoods on the southwest side of the city. Does anyone know where Latinos and other groups are concentrated? Are all of these constituencies OK with the Collinsville site?

Posted by: Go Penn State! | August 13, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

SteveW, great point. I had not been able to express the phenomenon of futbol hating that clearly, but I think you've hit it on the head.

I hope we can get the Poplar Point deal done. That would be one SCHWEET place to take in a match.

Posted by: Matt | August 13, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Collinsville,+IL,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=title

here is collinsville on a googleMap.

it looks like people going to the stadium from missouri will have to drive on a highway through east st louis. A stadium in collinsville looks like it would be pretty accessable by car due to the proximity to highways.

Posted by: bribri | August 13, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The soccer bashers are for the most part just plain ignorant. And there is a xenophobic reaction to soccer as not one of the big three "American made" sports -- football, baseball, and basketball. Soccer has always been caught in an economic Catch 22. It needs popularity to get on television (higher ratings), but to some extent depends upon television for its mainstream popularity. All of the big three American sports grew up with television and modified their rules to make more money on television (e.g., the "TV" time out). Soccer does not offer those natural breaks for commercials.

Sooner or later, as Leonsis intimates, media folks will realize that there is a lot of money to be made on the sport, just as European clubs are realizing that the US is an untapped market for their teams. Changing demographics will also dictate change.

In the meantime, we will have to endure the likes of the soccer bashers.

Posted by: MR Caretaker | August 13, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Remember, when considering Czaban on WTEM, that ON AIR he's a sexist and rightwing pig.

If that's just an act, that's one level of stink. If it's NOT an act, that's another.

Which is worse is debatable, but why anyone worries about anything he says is crediting him with more power than he deserves.

Posted by: Georgetown | August 13, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

And Wilbon takes three questions about soccer. Uhh, I think you can definitely see that the Beckham effect is helping. And major Congrats to the folks who made it all the way out to RFK and helped sing, chant and make a huge deal and a great first impression on ESPN2's biggest broadcast ever.

Well done boys!!!

Posted by: DC Centurion | August 13, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

One more thought: Isn't 18,500 seats a bit on the low side? The SSSs in Chicago and Columbus were designed so they could be expanded significantly at a later date at modest cost, if circumstances dictate. I hope the same is true of the proposed Collinsville SSS.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | August 13, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Here's the Post-Dispatch article. http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/illinoisnews/story/8AAD9EE0A35FB89286257336000E269B?OpenDocument There is a light rail system that goes East. Looks like there is a station close by, but not on site.

Posted by: plc | August 13, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh Gee Wilbon talking about football - how useful. I am sure that is some insight we all need into the sport.

Posted by: Erik | August 13, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/12/AR2007081201050.html?hpid=sec-world

Living La Vida Boca
Argentine Soccer Club Is Making Its Mark -- on Nearly Anything That Can Be Bought

BUENOS ARIES -- Two days before he died this year at the age of 101, Gaspar Paino leaned close to his daughter and whispered one final request.

"He told me, 'Don't you forget -- I want to be cremated, then take me to the cemetery of Boca,' " Norma Paino said.

Posted by: RK | August 13, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

- What a great Op Ed by Paul B! Right on target!
- Ted L. made some good points about 980...but these guys are irrelevant anyway. I am surprised their show is still running.
- George Solomon is class!

Posted by: Charlie | August 13, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

hey DC Centurions Shield... Lets go Ephs!

Posted by: Ephtastic | August 13, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Penn State - sorry for the delay, that link posted above by plc will take you to the article if you haven't read already. Anyways, owner seems dedicated and like he would good to join the current ownership corps.

Posted by: Huey | August 13, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I had forgotten that 980 existed until I read Leonsis' blog post. I stopped listening to them a long time ago, like I'm sure many others have. Not even worth wasting energy on.

Posted by: DuPont Mike | August 13, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Re Wilbon, I could care less whether soccer surpasses MLB or NFL or NBA. But I have to believe that there are more people who would tune in to ESPN or ESPN2 to watch a quality soccer game than are interested in watching the championship of rock, paper, scissors, or a re-run of the MLB home run derby. I have to confess to watching the end of the "RPS" championship out of morbid curiosity, and it was pretty cool that (1) the champ won $50,000; and (2) they paid him in cash on the spot. Hope he made it to his car alright . . . . .

Posted by: WNT fan | August 13, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

While it's true that there are several "Uniteds" in Great Britain, the main difference is that those clubs have mascots (like the Red Devils) whereas we do not.

Is there a metro stop near Poplar Point, or am I going to have to get off somewhere in SE D.C. and get shot at while walking to the games?

Posted by: rc | August 13, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The most soccer-hating person in the media today is a white, bald, unathletic and unapologetic LEFT WINGER -- Tony Kornheiser.

Indeed, an overwhelming number of sports reporters and editors, I would argue, lean to the left. And they hate soccer. (Except for the our own Mr. Goff and Mr. Solomon, of course). So let's end the right-wing bashing -- you're in a glass house with lots of rocks about.

Posted by: Free Tibet, But Not Iraq | August 13, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Is there a metro stop near Poplar Point, or am I going to have to get off somewhere in SE D.C. and get shot at while walking to the games?"

The Anacostia station is nearby (roughly equivalent to the current walk from the Stadium/Armory station to RFK). Thousands of people will be heading to and from the match at the same time as you, so there presumably will be safety in numbers.

Posted by: Go Penn State! | August 13, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

You won't have to worry about getting shot at a walk from the metro to a new stadium, since it will be in BFSuburbia, with no crime and no metro. Plenty of parking, though.

Posted by: RK | August 13, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Tibet- chill, this is the Post after all. What did you expect?

Some idiots on Sports Talk 980 are disrespecting soccer? Hmmmmm... I bet that stupid right winger Bush told them to do it; he used to own a baseball team somewhere down by his smelly oil fields in Texas didnt he?!! No metro tunnel in Tysons? Clearly Bush's fault! 102 degrees last Thursday? DEFINITELY Bush's fault. Record cold temps for three weeks straight last February? That's a tough one, but somehow it's Bush's fault... or at least Rove's.

Posted by: love the post | August 13, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

RK says "since it will be in BFSuburbia"

How about a race, which happens first-- DCUnited moves into their new stadium, or Metro reaches Dulles airport?

Or better yet, build the DCU stadium in Dulles, and through some vortex of double-negative bizarro machinations, they may both happen sooner than otherwise possible. My money's on pigs flying tho.

Posted by: LeesburgSoccerFan | August 13, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"Record cold temps for three weeks straight last February?"

"Climate Change" (AKA Global warming) by Bush not signing Kyoto (even though Clinton didn't either).

Posted by: Anonymous | August 13, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Guys, a reminder:

THIS IS A POLITICS-FREE ZONE.

Stay on topic: futbol.

Thank you.

Posted by: Goff | August 13, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Q: And this make soccer fans different from fans of other sports?

A: Michael Wilbon: Yes, because they're louder about it and they actually expect they can back you down, which I find hysterically funny. They think they're going to intimidate columnists and editors into treating things the way THEY want to. I covered soccer at the start of my career and LOVED it...loved every day of it. I covered the old Diplomats for two summers back in the Johan Cruyff days, and it was fabulous. But I'm not going to say that soccer is the future of America. I've been hearing that junk for 25 years and it's a lie."

OK. Who's been picking on Wilbon. He seem's to be a little defensive here.

Posted by: Tommie | August 13, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

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