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Matchday 24: Revs at DCU [Updated]



Hola from, er, um, Estadio FedEx Field. Sigh....

Obviously doesn't get much bigger than this for a regular season tilt in September. A win here and United is undefeated in eight with a clear path to the Supporters Shield. Black and Red haven't lost at home since April. Probably don't have to remind you where MLS Cup is being staged.

Boston Globe looks at the Revs' two new internationals, Gambians Abdoulie Ken Mansally and Sainey Nyassi. Twellman says the Revs are still fighting for a playoff berth. Boston Herald focuses on the task of shutting down Emilio. Both say Pat Noonan and Jay Heaps are healthy. Twellman also apparently ready to go after his bout of the flu, despite the fact that the Revs didn't include him among their "probable starters."

Here's my stat-heavy advance, which I discussed yesterday, focusing on Soehn's frequent lineup changes: 21 starting sides in 23 MLS matches. Now it's 21 in 24 matches; today's lineup is identical to the one that beat Columbus a few weeks back:

Perkins; Namoff, McTavish, Vanney, Burch; Gros, Simms, Gomez, Fred; Moreno, Emilio. Subs: Nolly, Mediate, Olsen, Dyachenko, Boswell, Kpene, B. Carroll.

Yup, that means Gros is back in. So, as Steven Goff might say, whatcha think? You know the drill: Pregame, in-game and postgame thoughts belong here. Zzzzzzzz. Etc.

I'll get quotes from our on-site scribe Paul Tenorio as soon as possible, in between writing our newspaper's seventh or eighth report from FedEx. Will attempt some reserve squad notes as well, time permitting.

By Dan Steinberg  |  September 9, 2007; 12:59 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

I thought I had visited the wrong blog when I saw a picture at the top. Thanks for the updates Bogman.

Posted by: sitruc | September 9, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Bobby back on the bench!?
Doesn't Vanney ever get tired?

Posted by: Garret | September 9, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Gros is back in? Are you sure there wasn't a typo there?

Posted by: Aaron | September 9, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Benching Boz makes no sense. He played in the NE beatdown that started this recent form, played well against Chivas earlier this week, and has the aerial presence we need against NE. Surely he is being punished for some reason.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

what the helll??

Posted by: justsayin' | September 9, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

OMG, Josh Gros????????

Posted by: DC United Fan | September 9, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Watching the tape delayed version at 7pm. Go United!!

What? Josh Gros?

Posted by: Bart | September 9, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

No typo, Gros is in, I'm miles away and can't pursue this right now, more later.

Posted by: Dan Steinberg | September 9, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd really love to see Namoff McTavish Boswell Burch

glad to see Gros is back though

Posted by: pw | September 9, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If anyone uses TVU and wants to watch the game, it is channel 21479 (TF spanish). Just thought I'd throw that out there. Vamos United!

Posted by: Memphis Rookie | September 9, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Gros? I must still be hung over...

Posted by: B.A. | September 9, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, it's 21497 on TVU.

Posted by: Memphis Rookie | September 9, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Is it 2-0 or 1-0 DC United right now? Did Fred's goal count or not?

Posted by: M.R. | September 9, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Halftime score 1-1

Posted by: emanon | September 9, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

How is Twellman that open at any point? Don't you just keep a body on him at all times?

Posted by: Markus | September 9, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

vanney got burned on twellman's goal. don't understand why boswell is back on the bench when he played so well the past couple games, vanney looked like a bad foul machine against chivas.

Posted by: pat | September 9, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

moreno has been shooting more this game

Posted by: pat | September 9, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

that was an ugly goal

Posted by: emanon | September 9, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

moreno has been shooting more this game

Posted by: pat | September 9, 2007 04:15 PM

And it pays off, although I'm not sure you could call that a shot.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

i don't understand why new england is complaining about that goal?

Posted by: pat | September 9, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

In the sideline replay, they showed Nichol flinching at the 4th official...just like the kids used to do in jr high. What a tool...

Posted by: mcn107 | September 9, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

loving the response by dcu to the crappy goal from new england. good to see moreno and emilio cleaning up in front of the net. vamos united!

Posted by: dco | September 9, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

boswell for gomez ?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Emilio's second!

Posted by: Aaron | September 9, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

carroll to emilio golazo! maybe the sweetest goal emilio's scored all year...

Posted by: dco | September 9, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Really nice win by the Black and Red. IT almost seemed that they were teasing the Revs by letting them have the lead, then they just shredded them from that point on. BTW, the Carroll assist on Emilio's second is worth waiting through the highlights package all by itself. What a great run!

(SPOILER ALERT!)

God, I am loving this Sunday so far! Results from the pointy ball team, the real football team, and a solid first half from the USMNT. Can they make it 3 for 3? What a day that would be!!

Posted by: Throwin | September 9, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Great afternoon. Something for everyone. DCU gets up one, then comes from behind, lots of goals, lots of scoring chances... We could feel a jolt of energy when Olsen entered the match and a few touches later it's a Gomez goal of an Olsen assist. Nice to see Gros go forward from the midfield on the left, etc...

Posted by: section 210 | September 9, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

DCU-SWEET!!! Dempsey scores 2-2

Posted by: zosodave | September 9, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

zosodave, whachu been smokin, man? Game's over, son. Must be your nap time, yes? ;-)

Nice atmosphere even on the Quiet Sideâ„¢. Salvatore was whipping up the crowd, and the supporter's sections across the way were at full throat in all their stand-bouncing, drum-beating, flag-waving glory.

Well coached, well played, and a great win.

Posted by: Stevan | September 9, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

***Spoilers***

4-2. Yay. Good performance. Respecto Emilio!

4-2. OG, poor marking, bad foul, bad foul. We know what we need to work on.

***End Spoilers***

Posted by: B.A. | September 9, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh, well, as the inimitable Meatloaf once sang, "Two out of three ain't bad..."

Still, 4 points up on Houston (and a game in hand) and the Revs for the Supporter's Shield - I'll take that to go with a side of fries and a Diet Coke!

Posted by: Throwin | September 9, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Note to all: As someone who actually attended the DCU/Chivas game in person, Boswell struggled quite a bit in that game. Just to correct previous statements.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | September 9, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

nice to get a win despite the world's most incompetent referee. There's no way we outfouled that hacking dirty team 20-5.

I really like our offense. SO many great chances created. What a joy to watch.

Posted by: Glenn | September 9, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

As someone who watched at home, I say Boz played better than Vanney!

Posted by: soulwinner | September 9, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

color at the blog? what an odd picture?
who is that? washington? guns and soccer don't mix

Posted by: h2o | September 9, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

As someone who watched at home, I say Boz played better than Vanney!

Posted by: soulwinner | September 9, 2007 06:31 PM

Agreed, and at Dallas last weekend, too.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

90 minutes from Josh Gros? I assumed we wouldn't see him again till 2008. I have never seen a player who is both always in incredible shape and breaks things easily (ie: wrists).

Posted by: diego r. | September 9, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

how's facundo doing?

Posted by: sinha | September 9, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You gotta think Facundo's doing way better than Vanney. Still pissed off about that trade. What was Soehn thinking?

Posted by: soccergirl | September 9, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

You gotta think Facundo's doing way better than Vanney. Still pissed off about that trade. What was Soehn thinking?

Posted by: soccergirl | September 9, 2007 07:05 PM

The same thing he's thinking now when playing Vanney ahead of Boswell. It looks like Vanney has a total of one supporter in the league and it's Soehn.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about Vanney. Erpen was horrible when he was here. He was too short and was good for 2 huge mistakes every game he played for us. WHat about Namoff. I like him as a person, but this league has passed him by. He is the new weak link. He is way to slow for this league. He is a huge liability when playing man to man. Gets blown by every time. He was wide open in today's game becaues other team's players don't even bother covering him. I think Tony Meola is faster thean him.

Posted by: CB9 | September 9, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

League play only -

Before Vanney: 6-2-4 (17 GA)
With Vanney : 8-2-2 (10 GA)

Not that you should let mere facts influence your opinions.

Posted by: Ash | September 9, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with CB9. Before today (and we did win), DC had only given up a PK in what, 6 games, with Vanney in the lineup. Call me an idiot, but it seems like having Vanney in the middle is working to a degree.

Posted by: CY | September 9, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Vanney for Erpen was the best trade DC has made in years. I'll take Vanney's experience (even with his occasion mistake) over Erpen's
(I was going to write speed, but he wasn't even fast!!!)____. While alot of people that I speak to don't think Vanney is great, most of them agree he is a huge improvement over Erpen. Since he has integrated into our system, our defense is much better.

Posted by: CB9 | September 9, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

League play only -

Before Vanney: 6-2-4 (17 GA)
With Vanney : 8-2-2 (10 GA)

Not that you should let mere facts influence your opinions.

Posted by: Ash | September 9, 2007 07:59 PM

Your facts, then, should also mention the formation change that actually had much more to do with the results than the personnel change. Or if personnel is the difference, maybe it's the discovery of Burch more than Vanney.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Just read the comments and the stats for the game. NE seems upset about a no-call on our 3rd goal. When the ref only calls 5 fouls against your team and 20 against the opponents, I don't think you get to complain about the ONE call that doesn't go your way. Just my opinion.

Posted by: Tim | September 9, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Watching the replay of the game. Gros just got his protective head gear blasted off his head at close range by a clearance ball. What's he doing out there?

Posted by: CB9 | September 9, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Is the alleged non-call on DCU's third goal about the time that Steve Nicol departed from the pitch? Or did he get carded?

Assuming he left voluntarily, bad form on Nicol's part - a lot of coach's in a lot of leagues around the world have to deal with debatable results but leaving your team on the pitch is a bit sophomore.

Posted by: Mickey | September 9, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Umm... there was no formation change after Vanney arrived.

When the trade was first made, I was upset because I liked Facu. I met him after a match once in Lot 8 and he was a really nice kid.

That said, Vanney is a better fit with this team in the back. He is definitely a stabilizing force.

Now, WTF is with this Namoff-bashing? He's been the most consistent defender on United for the last 3 years. Yeah, he's not blazing fast, but he gets the job done, and done cheap.

I wonder if some of you people honestly have a clue about soccer sometimes.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 9, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Is the alleged non-call on DCU's third goal about the time that Steve Nicol departed from the pitch? Or did he get carded?

Assuming he left voluntarily, bad form on Nicol's part - a lot of coach's in a lot of leagues around the world have to deal with debatable results but leaving your team on the pitch is a bit sophomore.

Posted by: Mickey | September 9, 2007 08:22 PM


Sent off, according to the post-match report:

Okulaja and his crew were in no mood to listen to the Scotsman's protestations and soon ordered him to vacate the technical area, leaving assistant Paul Mariner to direct the Revolution fightback.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks... Quite surprising that the sending-off of Nical didn't make the books or even an announcement inside RFK...

Posted by: Mickey | September 9, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Namoff is our best man marking defender, and arguably our best defender, period. A friend of mine who is a youth coach and a member of the US Soccer Hall of Fame has his defenders watch Namoff to learn the art of defending.

Posted by: Hedbal | September 9, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Umm... there was no formation change after Vanney arrived.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 9, 2007 08:26 PM

When comparing the records pre- vs. post-Vanney, you have to realize that many of the pre-Vanney losses were before the formation change. That was the point, oh soccer guru.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

DC's defense has not been good for the last 3 years.

Erpen was overrated
Boswell is good but still overated(a joke that he was defender of the year). Gee, wonder why he has been riding the bench! If he were THAT good no way he is that easily subbed out without injury.
Perkins is over-rated. Keeper of the year???
He continues to be shaky. Burch, McTavish, Vanney and lopsided ball possession with a great offense have made this a solid but not great defense. I think it is enough to win another cup though. Hey I'm sure Facu is a nice guy. I used to be a nice guy too.

Posted by: CB9 | September 9, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

carroll-assist of the year and goal of the year

moreno-soon to be all-time assist leader, anybody got stats on that?

Posted by: thiago | September 9, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

If by many you mean 3, max. I don't recall the exact date of the switch to the 4-4-2, but it was quite early in the season.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 9, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about Vanney. Erpen was horrible when he was here. He was too short and was good for 2 huge mistakes every game he played for us. ....

Posted by: CB9 | September 9, 2007 07:53 PM


Speaking of letting facts inform opinions, Facudo is listed at 6'0", whereas Greg is listed at 5'11".

Posted by: Markus | September 9, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

If by many you mean 3, max. I don't recall the exact date of the switch to the 4-4-2, but it was quite early in the season.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 9, 2007 08:54 PM

Well, I do recall, despite my lack of overall soccer understanding. The 4-4-2 was introduced in the Chivas match on May 6th. At that point, DC was 0-3-1. Between then and the date of the Vanney-Erpen trade on 6/29, DC's record was 6-1-1. I'd say the formation change had more to do with the turnaround than the introduction of Greg Vanney.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 9, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of letting facts inform opinions, Facudo is listed at 6'0", whereas Greg is listed at 5'11". Posted by: Markus | September 9, 2007 09:07 PM

Got me there. I guess he just played short. Remember his famous "flying Facu kick": When a long ball would be sent over his head, instead of trying to stick with his man, he would leap into the air in a desperate attemp to do a quasi bicycle kick clearance. He was successful 1 of 3 times. When he missed, the forward had a great opportunity on goal. I have to say--Facu had a nice long range shot. He scored one of the best goals of the last few years.

Posted by: CB9 | September 9, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

For the Vanney defenders (and I'm convinced that you are just Vanney himself posting as different names!) -- Although I was an Erpen fan, I could have seen potentially trading him for someone good who, like Erpen, was on an upward trajectory (rather than at the end of his career like Vanney). But the fact is that McTavish and Burch have stepped up to the plate, and we just don't need Vanney. I really hope Soehn gets with it and starts to bench Vanney. I'd way rather see Boswell, Namoff, Burch, and McTavish as the starting defensive lineup. Let Vanney play with the reserves.

Posted by: soccergirl | September 9, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Without Vanney we'd have no leadership in the center of the defense. Boz doesn't have it, McTavish is still green.

I know this has been explained a ridiculous amount of times, but Erpen was going to become an SI next year, and United obviously didn't feel he'd be worth taking up that spot, so they took Vanney to stabilize the defense this year and nurture our younger defenders. He won't be back next year unless he takes a BIG paycut.

If you can't see what Vanney brings to the defense that Boz and McTavish don't (and Erpen didn't and never would) you've got to be blind or just have no real soccer experience.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 9, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I know we have disagreed in the past AlexW81, but that was well said!!

Posted by: Steve-O | September 9, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

OK - this is way after the thread has ended and it may have continued on the next, but AlecW81...I saw what Vanney brought to the defense yesterday. It was a failure to closely mark one of the league's most dangerous goalscorers in front of the goal while a ball came into the box. Twellman had all the time in the world as Vanney watched. Vanney was beat, plain and simple.

Vanney also had a hand in that second crap goal by the Revs as he missed a header out of the box (as did his man, who was actually closer to getting a head on the ball) which allowed the ball to fall right in the middle scrum and bounce around and eventually into the goal.

Vanney is no savior - his impact is overstated by all four members of his fanclub.

Posted by: DE | September 10, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Anybody watch the LA-CO game Saturday night? At least 2 of the goals LA scored went either above or past Erpen, who practically chased the balls into the net.

Even this soccer newbie saw how completely ineffective he was.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 10, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The comparison shouldn't be Vanney to Erpen anymore - but yes, Erpen definitely has his defensive shortcomings!

What I don't get is why our center back pairing isn't Boswell with McTavish. I suppose the wisdom is that Vanney can tutor both Boz and McT during the games this season with an eye on having those two pair up to start next season. I just hope Tommy S. gives it at least a look during one of the upcoming games (maybe against RSL?) to see how it goes.

Posted by: DE | September 10, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

21 different lineups in 23 games is not as bad as the Red Bulls' 24 lineups in 24 games.

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