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That's Right, 11-0

Hello again. Blame lingering jet lag. If I only I could conjure a "Zzzzzz" right now. Burned 'em all on the D.C. United stadium prospects, I guess. Learned my lesson.

So, how do you like Argentina's prospects of advancing? ;-)

11-0 losses have a way of sapping morale.

To summarize:

It was the most decisive FIFA Women's World Cup victory (and heaviest defeat); never before had one player scored two own goals in a FIFA Women's World Cup match; two players scored hat-tricks which had only happened once before. And the peerless Birgit Prinz moved alongside USA's Michelle Akers at the head of the list of top goalscorers at the event with 12.

Watch the spiffy FIFA match highlights here.

While the scoreline thrilled the Germans and perhaps attracted some casual fans to the tournament, it probably did a great disservice to women's soccer in general.

Consider this Associated Press report back in July:

FIFA is using this year's tournament as a test case. It has put off until late November decisions about which nation will host the 2011 Women's World Cup and how many teams that tournament will include. "We hope to see some really close matches in China, then we can think about expanding the 2011 tournament from 16 teams to 24," FIFA communications chief Markus Siegler said. "Certainly, 7-0 matches are not good for the sport."

How about 11-0, Markus?

By Steve Goff  |  September 10, 2007; 1:34 PM ET
Categories:  Women  
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Comments

First!!
The Link doesn't Work Goff

Posted by: yoitsme | September 10, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Link should now work. It does not take you directly to the video, but will get you close.

Posted by: Goff | September 10, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Goff,
Your highlight link is not working.
Glad we have you there. Wish I had your job. How cool!!
Oh well, I'll just spend my work hours reading your work. Thanks for the diversions....

Posted by: marksman | September 10, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there (or shouldn't there be) a mercy rule in soccer? I mean 11-0? That's an average of 1 goal per player. Ouch!!! When does it become piling on?

Posted by: Bart | September 10, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Germany tried to pull back, but Argentina wanted to keep scoring...on themselves.

Posted by: RK | September 10, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute, they're having results like that and there are only 16 teams participating?

That's the kind of result you expect to see during the old Oceania qualifying...with Australia pummeling some poor squad like Vanuatu.

Posted by: DE | September 10, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Ok I am not a coach but how bad can your reserve goalkeepers be when you won't even bring them into a game when
a) you are losing by 11
b) your current keeper has scored 2 own goals?

Oh one of the hat-trick-scoring-German-forwards still thinks they made "too many mistakes".

Posted by: Bart | September 10, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The gap between the countries that support women's soccer and the ones that don't is still pretty high, I guess.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 10, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Excluding the OGs, Germany only shot 9 of 26. Not efficient enough!

Posted by: RK | September 10, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Excluding the OGs, Germany only shot 9 of 26. Not efficient enough!

Posted by: RK | September 10, 2007 02:51 PM
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Franz, is that you?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 10, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"We hope to see some really close matches in China, then we can think about expanding the 2011 tournament from 16 teams to 24,"

Excuse me, but what does the margin of victory among teams that have already qualified have to do with expanding the tournament? FIFA should be looking at closeness in the regional competitions for the allotted slots. Unless, FIFA is also considering contracting the number of teams...

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 10, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

If team 16 can't compete, there's no reason to bring in the next 8 that couldn't get by #16 in the first place.

Posted by: RK | September 10, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Why does FIFA hate Mac users?

Posted by: Kenobi | September 10, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

FIFA hates Firefox, too.

Posted by: RK | September 10, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If team 16 can't compete, there's no reason to bring in the next 8 that couldn't get by #16 in the first place.

Posted by: RK | September 10, 2007 03:31 PM
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I see that argument, but don't agree with it. A number of the "next 8" will be from confederations other that #16's. So CONCACAF-3 may well be able to beat a qualifier from another region.

Using the FIFA rankings for argument's sake only:
#7 France did not qualify
#10 Japan qualified, as did #24 Nigeria and #47 Ghana.
Even Mexico (#22) could probably beat a few teams in the tournament.

My point is that FIFA will be drawing its conclusions from the wrong dataset - but Sepp never let data get in the way of a conclusion.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 10, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, they are always juggling the representation from confederations...

Posted by: RK | September 10, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

At 6-0 a team's coaching staff and players should consider taking their collective foot off the gas pedal. Having known someone that traveled with Argentina's women's WC team as a volunteer in 2003, I can assure you that the women's team gets nominal support from its homeland. Maradonna probably has a larger budget allocation from the home country for diet pills than the whole women's team has for traveling to China.

Posted by: MR Caretaker | September 10, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Which is a worse feeling going down 11-0 in one game, or being outscored 11-0 in your last six games [and not scoring in last 8 league games] ?

Tough call, but I'd take Argentina's situation over Toronto's. It's easier to get past one bad game, then trying to get out of a slump.

Posted by: emanon | September 10, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Germany is a good team and Argentina was outmatched, but there was no excuse for the scoreline. Germany did a good job of defending, but Argentina's marking in the box was not good. The only thing worse than Argentina's markings and possibly their coaching was their keeper. The first three goals were goalkeeping errors. The fourth was a good finish by Prinz after a good service from the flank. The second half provided much better quality German goals. The German's did a good job of providing services. The Argentine defenders were often out of place just as much as the keeper when the balls were crossed into the box. Argentina was able to create a few good shots on goal including a free kick. Germany gave up more balls in the midfield and allowed Argentina to have a little possession in the first half. Germany cut down on the turnovers in the second half. Germany picked up some unnecessary yellow cards that could come back to haunt them. I questioned the subs for both countries.

Posted by: sitruc | September 10, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Argentina was the winner of their region after beating Brazil.... The keeper was the keeper they used in the Pan-Am games? I'm not sure it is time for the size of the tournament to increase, but Argentina would have been in the tournament regardless. The teams that were hurt are the Euro teams and Mexico that didn't make it, but are ranked higher than many teams included.

Posted by: sitruc | September 10, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Stuff like this devalues the results of the US women. It implies that the Women's WC is truly competitive--that there are a handful of strong teams and then some that either don't take it seriously or didn't prepare well. In any case, a margin of victory this big implies a huge gap between the two teams (and no-one, even the Germans, would argue that their team is one for the ages). I truly wish the tournament was more competitive from top to bottom--this certainly implies that it isn't.

And it's irrelevant if some of the teams who didn't make it are capable of winning some matches against the field. FIFA would like to expand (b/c with more countries, you get more interest, more ticket sales). But if you expand and you still have this gap between the top 5 teams, a big dropoff to the next 3-4 teams, and then a huge dropoff to the rest of the tournament, what does that mean--that the top seeds are winning all their first round games by big scores and the competitive soccer among the contenders doesn't happen until the knockout rounds?

As for those arguing that Germany should have taken their foot of the petal, here's a thought for you--maybe they did. Otherwise the score might have gotten worse.

Posted by: JoeW | September 10, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I think that regardless of the decision of whether to expand this game has given a pretty good indication that if they do expand it shouldn't be with additional spots to Conmebol anytime soon. Nigeria and Ghana are also unlikely to make a case fo Africa. But what happen if all 5 UEFA teams make it through (like a number of prognosticators have)? Does that mean that the UEFA teams watching on the tv right now might deserve to be there and make a case for expansion with the spots going heavy to power conferences.

Current:
Host: 1
Uefa: 5
Asia: 2 1/2
Concacaf: 2 1/2
Conmebol: 2 (or was there a chance it could have been only Brazil?)
Africa: 2
Oceania: 1

If it was 24 the 8 spots would probably go something like 5 more to UEFA, 1 more to Concacaf and 1 more for Asia with the last one being sent somewhere else. Argentina argues for weakness in Conmebol (they aren't a top 24 side), so where?

Posted by: bluemeanies | September 10, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

with an 11-0 scoreline, one would have thought that the time of possession statistic would be more than the 58%-42% it was.

seems like a close game.

Posted by: Germany/Argentina | September 10, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"with an 11-0 scoreline, one would have thought that the time of possession statistic would be more than the 58%-42% it was."

Germany probably scored on its 2nd or 3rd touch and Argentina was constantly kicking off.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 10, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

At this point, expanding the competition would be counter productive. It would be too much like the cricket and rugby world cups, which while great competitions, have too many matches that are simply forgone conclusions, and rather brutal to watch.

By the way Steve, I'm sitting on the runway in San Francisco on United flight 889 to Beijing, just waiting for them to finish loading the bags. I look forward to cross checking the services with your review.

Posted by: Justin O | September 10, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

By the way Steve, I'm sitting on the runway in San Francisco on United flight 889 to Beijing, just waiting for them to finish loading the bags. I look forward to cross checking the services with your review.

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Happy travels!

Posted by: Goff | September 10, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

"At this point, expanding the competition would be counter productive. It would be too much like the cricket and rugby world cups, which while great competitions, have too many matches that are simply forgone conclusions, and rather brutal to watch."
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You mean like that 28-10 "thrashing" of the US by England this weekend? Or Argentina beating France.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 10, 2007 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Goff is awake! (The time differential from Washington is 12 hours, isn't it?) Time to get your next batch of questions ready for him.

Posted by: Section 410 | September 10, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"Time to get your next batch of questions ready for him."

Is the Tartan Army there?
What's the lineup?
What do you mean Abby gets an 8 rating?! She was clearly an 11.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 10, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!

Posted by: Goff | September 10, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

BSPN promotes US Women's world cup match during Halftime of MNF. Im looking forward to watching the game at 7am tomorrow on ESPN2.

*wakes up at 7*

Where's the game? it was at 5am?

Oh yeah, BSPN actually hates soccer...or is very incompetent.

Posted by: Tim | September 10, 2007 11:55 PM | Report abuse

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