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The Aftermath (and the Future)

Strange night, eh?

*TV coverage is delayed by a 115-89 college football game
*More folks are lined up outside In-N-Out Burger than the Home Depot Center box office
*United scores another early goal, courtesy of Emilio
*Guzan can't handle Moreno's shot, Emilio cleans up
*Despite the deficit, Chivas creates against fading United
*Perkins drives a clearance into Razov's hip for a goal
*Lawson Vaughn -- yes, Lawson Vaughn -- ties it on a deflection
*Vanney is given a yellow ... and then a red. Ref realizes Burch got the earlier yellow, not Vanney, and waves off the red
*Chivas has potential last-minute breakaway nullified by questionable offside call
*Was Fred on the field?
*Does United have the energy to face New England Sunday?

QUOTES

Soehn, on Chivas's first goal: "It's a disappointing goal. Unfortunately, mistakes happen and they capitalized on it."

Soehn, on playing Sunday: "We've had a lot of games and I think everyone will be excited to get home. We've been traveling quite a bit so it will be good for us to get back to RFK."

Soehn, on whether he thought his team wore down in the second half: "Yeah, I saw it in the first half. We had about 20 minutes of soccer in us, and you could see it wasn't the same the rest of the game."

Emilio, on the team's tendency to score early: "We work to score goals. Lately we have been doing it early in the game, but it's a matter of teamwork. That's the bottom line. When you score a goal at any stage, it gives the team confidence and it lets you set the pace of the game. Unfortunately, we gave up a goal that changed the momentum."

Simms, on the deflection for the second goal: "Any time it hits you, you feel like you at least slowed it down. I think it was going right toward Troy, and unfortunately my deflection put it in at the near post."

Burch: "I don't think we're wearing down [with all the games]. We were just a little unlucky with the two deflection goals. The first one was terrible and the second one we just didn't get out there [on Vaughn] quick enough to block it. Stuff like that happens."

Burch: "We got seven points from the last three road games, which is huge. If we had done that all year, we'd be winning the league by far. Now we go home, hopefully we can get six more points and we could run away with the thing."

Perkins, on the first Chivas goal: "I could hit that ball off a wall five times and not even come close to it going into the goal. It was a little unlucky for us. The second one takes a deflection and goes in. Just one of those nights."

Perkins, on the team's 2nd half problems: "I thought we stopped playing a little bit. We've got to do a better job killing off the game, keeping the ball and making them work to find it and being a little smarter with and without the ball and not getting stretched."

PLAYER RATINGS
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Peace

By Steve Goff  |  September 7, 2007; 2:06 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

To be fair, In-N-Out Burger is delicious.

Posted by: B.A. | September 7, 2007 2:53 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, Fred may have been caught in that line at In-N-Out Burger. He was nearly impossible to find on the field...

Posted by: Throwin | September 7, 2007 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Vanney and Boswell are both good players when they are playing the right role. Neither can play that roll when they are both in the middle of the field together. I saw the same problems against Dallas, but they weren't punished for it. Tom Soehn needs Brendan McTavish on the field more than any defensive player on the team. Once he understands that and builds the defense around him, United have a chance to reach their potential. Brendan isn't the most talented player on the defense, but he is the only one that can agressively support the midfield and mark players in the middle of the pitch and he does it great. Everybody else feeds off of him and his work when he is in the game. You take him out and all of a sudden you have guys running, unmarked through the defense because of the gap of support between the midfield and defense. Until Soehn recognizes McTavish for the tipping point that he is for our defense, the Boswell, Vanney pairing is going to drag us down.

Posted by: Defense | September 7, 2007 3:18 AM | Report abuse

It's Devon McTavish.

Posted by: Goose | September 7, 2007 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow did that look bad. I think my high school brought in more fans for some of our soccer games. Did anyone know two of the top MLS teams were playing last night? Or was attendance restricted because it was a school night and they don't allow big crowds at HDC because of parking issues?

Anyway, great game by Emilio and Moreno.

I still wonder what will happen with our DP next year and if Emilio will get it.

Posted by: Southeasterner | September 7, 2007 7:31 AM | Report abuse

i thought boswell has played excellently for the past two games he's been back in the starting lineup.

Posted by: pat | September 7, 2007 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Safe travels, Goff.

Posted by: DCBird | September 7, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse

GO SLUGS!!!!

Posted by: WHITEHOUSE | September 7, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

United is such a professional team. I thoroughly enjoy the quotes from after games. Sure, most of it is just standard 'bull durham' stuff, but it is refreshing to hear that they can at least pull that off well.

It also seems that Soehn's frankness is pervasive on the team. I like that a lot...Being honest and including constructive criticism while keeping the big picture in mind.

Its good stuff.

Posted by: bribri | September 7, 2007 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I miss...

Posted by: In-N-Out Burger | September 7, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Sports page is wall-to-wall Insider today. In the words of Rulon Gardner, "I'm a happy dude!"

God speed, Mr. Goff, and let the games begin . . . .

Posted by: WNT fan | September 7, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Sports page is wall-to-wall Insider today. In the words of Rulon Gardner, "I'm a happy dude!"

Posted by: WNT fan | September 7, 2007 08:36 AM

Actually, the "happy dude" was Jeff Blatnick.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 7, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Steven,

If you go to those restaurants there with a (semi-) large group and end up at a table with a lazy Susan, pace yourself. The Chinese typically bring out 5 or 6 dishes, one at a time and usually of the cook's choosing. Don't overdo it on the first couple of dishes because the others are usually pretty good, too.

You will know that the last dish has come out when they serve the rice, the soup, and the watermelon, all of which the Chinese serve after the main dishes. When I was there, the watermelons were tasteless.

I was surprised at how similar the dishes were to ones you find in Chinese restaurants here. On the other hand, my family had kung pow chicken about 4 times while in Sechuan province, and each time it was prepared differently.

Have a great trip.

Posted by: ho | September 7, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I seem to remember a debate in an earlier post about Perkins getting called up to the US Men's National Team. Now you know why that will never happen. If he hadn't made that boneheaded play off Razov, we win the game. And what does he say for himself?

"I could hit that ball off a wall five times and not even come close to it going into the goal. It was a little unlucky for us."

How about, you don't come out of the box and clatter the ball off the opposing player. Terrible--new keeper in 08.

Posted by: DJC | September 7, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse

When you're hot, you get goals like DC's second and both of those for Chivas...

Posted by: RK | September 7, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

A point's a point.

Deflection goals are a bummer, but we don't need to get rid of Perkins for that. Remember Keller knocking one off a Mexican player in the qualifying rounds for France 98? Happens to the best of 'em.... (Although, I'd trade Perkins for Keller....)

Anyway, I think they look pretty good overall. Thinking back to the beginning of the season, things sure have improved.

Posted by: Hacksaw | September 7, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I thing that DCU defensive playing was a litle bit slow the marks in the middle of the field was not to close particulary in left side. DCU should be prepare to play teams with great speed and anticipation to get the ball.

Posted by: OrlandoGator | September 7, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Re: Fred.

Don't kid yourselves - he was definitely on the field. Mis-trapping, Mis-kicking, and mostly missing all of his superpowers over control of the unsuspecting soccer ball. What were those things made of?

0 Daggers on the Looking Dangerous scale.

Posted by: Looking Dangerous | September 7, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Perkins had a great month of August coming off his line and taking charge of anything that came close to the penalty box. One boneheaded kick influenced by the fact he was screened by one of his players can be forgiven, though it did change the match. He is young and this goes into the "experience" box. My bet is that he will get a few more caps over the next few years as he continues to mature and improve.

On another note...what was Wynalda yacking about when he said Emilio is already shopping around for a bigger payday? Don't we have him locked up for more than a year?He's a good player and might deserve a raise but I would feel uncomfortable giving him the DP slot given that would put him significantly above Gomez, Moreno, Olson, Fred and others. I would rather reserve the DP slot for someone like Veron or to lure a quality player from Europe - not Honduras, Saudi Arabia and wherever else he played. Too early to be agitating for contract bumps..but maybe this is all just in Wynalda's head and running out his mouth...They didn't seem to get too many facts straight in the both implying Boswell was benched for criticizing ESPN's All Beckham All the Time coverage of the Galaxy-DCU match.

Posted by: noname | September 7, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Oooh, a late season substitution. Goff is out in the 9th month, and Steinberg is in!

Now we'll get all the details that Goff hid over the course of the season. Like how Emilio's singing ability has(or hasn't) progressed. Perkins' dog. How Troy's handling the real estate slowdown. etc.

Posted by: Kim | September 7, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I love internet forums. After the Dallas game, posters here and at BigSoccer stopped just short of anointing DC as the guaranteed MLS champ. One keeper blunder and tie on the road against a good team later, and Perkins, Fred, and most of the rest of the team should be fired.

Posted by: Ash | September 7, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Fred is such a hot 'n cold player. one game he shows great vision and distribution. the next game he plays like last night, awful first touches and a passing percentage well below 30%.

Chest had it right for the most part, but there is no way Perkins deserved a seven unless vanney's slow a$$ plays that ball (or razov) better to avoid the deflection.

Perkins 6
Namoff 6
Boswell 7
Vanney 5.5
Burch 6
Olsen 4
Simms 5
Gomez 5
Fred 3
Moreno 5.5
Emilio 7
B. Carroll 5
Mediate NR

And how about that Bush league broadcast from BSPN? Why dont they stick to billiards, poker and intermediate college "football" and leave soccer to the big boys. They should study the Telefutura broadcast on sunday to see a professionaly produced match.

Posted by: J-Mart | September 7, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I think that ESPN wanted to have a topic to discuss during the game; so Wynalda brought up the contract (rumor) and the graphics department brought up Emilio's travels. All this while the game was being played... sigh!

Posted by: Ol' Shin Guard | September 7, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

oops, Jaime should have gotten a 6; he played well, had some opportunities, came back to help defensively and as always, possessed the ball magnificently. I would have left him in and taken out Fred instead. I also would have liked to have seen mctavish in this match, with a boswell/vanney rotation instead of however soehn is doing it.

Posted by: J-Mart | September 7, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Double-Double Animal Style FTW.

Posted by: silentbob | September 7, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"After the Dallas game, posters here and at BigSoccer stopped just short of anointing DC as the guaranteed MLS champ. One keeper blunder and tie on the road against a good team later, and Perkins, Fred, and most of the rest of the team should be fired."

Dude, United is without a doubt the best team in the league. But they're not as invincible as they have appeared, and I figure that's causing some concern here.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | September 7, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Regarding Fred: My guess is that they didn't have a sound system in the locker room before the game so Fred missed hearing Akon's "Smack That." See this for explanation... http://www.bobbyboswell.com/dc-united/freds-inspiration

Posted by: Soy United! | September 7, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Pretty entertaining match, at least until the 10 minutes of "technical difficulties" at the end. I like Burch's confidence in the quotes above. DCU definitely has a chance to start to pull away if we get a win against the Revs on Sunday. Other than two unlucky goals, and Boswell's near own goal, I thought the defense played really well. Namoff might have been the MVP last night, other than Emilio.

The criticism of Perkins on here is horrible. New keeper in '08? Is that what you thought yesterday morning, or purely just a reaction to one kick that was unlucky and wasn't entirely his fault? Perkins has won a lot more games for us than he has lost. It's true that Kasey Keller wouldn't have given up that goal, because he probably wouldn't have left the 6-yard box. But there are countless other times that Perkins will charge out of the box to knock the ball away with a slide tackle or his head, where as Keller would be a sitting duck waiting for the opposing player to advance on a breakaway. There are pros and cons to having an aggressive keeper, but I wouldn't trade Perkins for any other keeper in the league, or Keller.

Posted by: Shatz | September 7, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

i wonder - does anyone have any stats on MLS teams that play on thursday and then again on Sunday - how well the teams do in Sunday games? It seems like teams always struggle, esp. after a long flight - i wonder if there will be any lineup changes? McTavish, Carroll, Kpene, etc.

Posted by: i wonder | September 7, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"Perkins has won a lot more games for us than he has lost. "

Spot on Shatz! When the 10 guys in front of Troy mess up, he's there to save their tails. I missed much of the 2nd half, but from what I saw, Troy was still playing aggressively and coming out for loose balls. It's good to see that he didn't have a crisis of confidence.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 7, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Shatz, I think that is just one short-sighted and reactionary fan.

Posted by: RK | September 7, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Steve (if you read this):

THANKS for the WWC preview, which will be posted on my office door.

Bon voyage. Bien viaje. Schöne Reise. Have a great trip.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 7, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Can Perkins for that one error? What a silly, childish suggestion. He's one of the top GKs in the league and had one painful but fluky piece of bad luck. As Hacksaw said, the same thing happened to Keller at Foxboro when he bounced one of Hermosilo in a WCQ match for France 98. No (sensible) one suggested sacking Keller as USMNT GK.

What bothers me more is that, while Perkins recovered from the mistake and played as brilliant a game as he had before, the rest of the team just flopped. They have a serious morale problem; again and again, if the other team gains an advantage over them, they put their heads down and stop playing. What is up? Where is the grit and determination? The first 20 minutes of the game, United's offense was brilliant--one-touch passing, give and goes, nimble, adaptable, running rings around Chivas. They brought the pressure and got two goals. Then, as soon as the other team scores a 1 in 100 goal off Ante Razov's arse, United look like a team that's down five goals and is ready to go to the showers. Very disappointing.

Finally, props to Stott for recognising he'd made a mistake and fixing it before play was restarted. It was a regrettable goof to begin with, but other officials whose egos are too big to admit an error would have waved on the free kick and left the problem to be sorted messily later.

Posted by: broonalemagpie | September 7, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

While a point is a point, I hope the two additional points that slipped away last nite don't haunt DC United at the end of the regular season in the quest for the Supporters Shield.

All in all, with the 3-3 FCD result and last nite's 2-2 Chivas result, DC United has surrendered four points on games that could have been put away.

Posted by: Mickey | September 7, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

that game was just not that fun to watch

Posted by: jay | September 7, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Reading the article on Lilly, I believe her international goal total is off by 100:

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a world-record 331 international matches, 26 goals and 100 assists,
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She has 126 total goals, doesn't she?

Posted by: Stat issue | September 7, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

As to "Stat issues" question:

Per usssoccer.com's books dated June 18, 2007, Lilly has 122 goals and 96 assists.

http://www.ussoccer.com/common/stContent.jsp_21-TWNT19.html

Posted by: Mickey | September 7, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd trade In-N-Out Burger for Dunkin' Donuts and Yuengling any day of the week.

Posted by: San Diego | September 7, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Yuengling!

Posted by: Huey | September 7, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think the game was very well played particularly in the second half. There we lots of loose balls and give aways in Midfield. Fred was clearly off his game and gave away balls left and right.

Perkins has another howler that changes the course of a game. It seems he's developing a reputation for making big mistakes in key games. That mistake was a mental blunder that should be squarely placed on his shoulders.

The shocking thing about this game is how DC broke down following Chiva's first

Posted by: Nick | September 7, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Soehn, on whether he thought his team wore down in the second half: "Yeah, I saw it in the first half. We had about 20 minutes of soccer in us, and you could see it wasn't the same the rest of the game."

Really? You saw it in the first half? Then why did you wait until minute 76 for the 1st sub, 82 for the 2nd sub, and ... oh wait ... you DIDN'T EVEN USE THE 3RD SUB!

Nice coaching coach.

Posted by: edgeonyou | September 7, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"All in all, with the 3-3 FCD result and last nite's 2-2 Chivas result, DC United has surrendered four points on games that could have been put away."

I call BS. You can just as easily point out the various games where DCU got 3 points and probably deserved only 1 (e.g., 7/4 at KC, last Saturday at Toronto). It all balances out.

Posted by: silentbob | September 7, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Hey San Diego, your name wouldn't be Amy would it? As a former San Diegan, I must say I would be with you if it was taco shop. ;-)

Posted by: T. Henry | September 7, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I call BS, too, on:

"Perkins has another howler that changes the course of a game. It seems he's developing a reputation for making big mistakes in key games."

How was this a key game? A road game after winning that last 6 to take the lead in points? Other than Perkins' major blunder in the rain versus the Mexican Chivas, where are these other blunders in key games?

Posted by: RK | September 7, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Nope - it's Mike, not Amy. The taco shops here are nice, but life without Yuengling is dangerously close to a life not worth living...

Posted by: San Diego | September 7, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't know Mike, Yuengling is great but I suffer without a good carne asada burrito every couple weeks. I will be jealous of your easy access to tace shops and you can be jelous of my fridge stalked with tasty Yuengling. Here's to hoping you get a fix soon!

Posted by: T. Henry | September 7, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

In-N-Out, carne asada Burritos......I swear if someone mentions chimichanga I'm on a freakin' airplane for the left coast.......

Posted by: Kim | September 7, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

In case you missed this post to an earlier thread (thanks A Rickey), an English-language version of the DCU-Revs match will be shown in the relevant Comcast zone Sunday evening at 7:00 (http://midatlantic.comcastsportsnet.com/tv-listings.asp?date=&listdate=9/9/2007). A rebroadcast Monday at noon is also on the schedule; however, last Monday's rebroadcast was preempted without warning, so I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Posted by: Section 410 | September 7, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Where's Steinbog at? This thread is hours old and is now about In-n-Out and Rubio's.

I hope he posts soccer items here and doesn't just link to his blog to run up the hit count :-)

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 7, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

We needn't wait on Steinbog. There are collegiate matches, EPL and other overseas matches, etc., taking place in the roughly 48 hours until DCU-Revs and USA-Brasil. What will people be watching and/or attending in person during that period?

Posted by: Section 410 | September 7, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Did someone mention Rubio's? Fish tacos???

Posted by: RK | September 7, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"We needn't wait on Steinbog. There are collegiate matches, EPL and other overseas matches, etc., taking place in the roughly 48 hours until DCU-Revs and USA-Brasil. What will people be watching and/or attending in person during that period?"

No EPL or other European League games this weekend due to EURO 2008 qualifiers Sat and Wed.

I will be watching Italy v France tomorrow.
(Allez Les Blues !)

Then taping US - Brazil Sunday while I attend the DCU demolition of the Revs.

Posted by: RFK 315 | September 7, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Juan-John | September 7, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Allez Les Blues!...then off to Rubios. We could also discuss changes in the lineup for Sunday. I think I would still start Simms, but maybe through in McTavish for Vanney. Definately start Gomez (who I agree is getting back into form). The real question is Jaime. He was great on Thursday, but flying back and forth could be tiresome. Does he start or does Dychenko? Jaime could come in the second half. Or is he critical to those early goals that give DCU such confidence. The Dallas game was 3-0 until he came out. How well can we hold the ball without him, and who is key to that? And would they have played better in L.A. if they had fish tacos, or was that part of the problem? (jk)

Posted by: T. Henry | September 7, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

we should have subbed in Brendan McTavish for Fred earlier in the game

Posted by: diego r. | September 7, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Who is this Brendan of whom you speak? Devon's younger brother?

Posted by: viv | September 8, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

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