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Monday Rewind

By now, you are well aware of Houston's 2-0 victory over Kansas City in the Western Conference final before yet another sellout crowd of 30,000+ (best fans in the league, yes?), setting up an MLS Cup rematch with New England this Sunday at Estadio RFK. Brian Ching's availability, however, is in question because of a calf injury. Match highlights here. The early MLS Cup weather forecast: chance of rain, temps in the low 50s.

While the Revs and Dynamo prepare for their visit to RFK, there was a little incident out at the auxiliary fields over the weekend. (Was Stoitchkov back in town?)

Be sure to check out the big futbol spread on Page 2 of the Sports section in the print edition today. It's a great-looking package. Text only is available here.

Maryland scored with six seconds left in overtime to beat North Carolina, 2-1, and extend its unbeaten streak to 10 heading into the ACC tournament in Cary, N.C., this week. Virginia will face North Carolina State in Tuesday's play-in game. Wednesday's quarterfinals will feature top seed Boston College vs. the UVA-NCS winner, second seed Wake Forest against Clemson, third seed Duke vs. UNC and fourth seed Virginia Tech against fifth seed Maryland. The top five teams are all but certain to receive NCAA tournament berths regardless of their performance in the ACCs. The NCAA tournament field will be unveiled next Monday on ESPNews.

I'll leave you with Blackburn-Man U highlights:


By Steve Goff  |  November 12, 2007; 9:26 AM ET
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Best fans in the league? Ouch Steve, maybe if they had to play their games on a thursday night we could compare.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | November 12, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Great atmosphere in Houston, hats off to the supporters down there. Shame we in the Barra didn't get a chance to show our stuff in the ECF... on a thursday ;)

Posted by: Chico | November 12, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

In 12 years of MLS, has any team ever drawn 30,000+ for back-to-back home games?

Posted by: Goff | November 12, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

" Ouch Steve, maybe if they had to play their games on a thursday night we could compare."

Oh dear.

DC has had plenty of Saturday night playoff games, and never had a crowd within a country mile of Houston.

It's not that y'all don't have great support, but it's self-delusion to think that it's better than Houston's.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Toronto and Houston are giving us DC United fans some competition for who best supports their team.

The announcers for Saturday night's game in Houston were saying that the Dynamo had drawn 30,000+ for three straight home matches.

Posted by: Billinmd | November 12, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

But what did they draw in the regular season? Look at their final 3 games:

10/20: 16,853
10/15: 15,587 (note: this was a Monday night game)
09/30: 17,366

Good, but not great. I have plenty of respect for their fans, but there's no way they're higher than third, behind us and Toronto (I still think if you put us in Toronto's atmosphere, we would be louder).

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | November 12, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Was Okulaja refereeing at the auxiliary fields?

Just curious...

Posted by: MattM | November 12, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I amend my previous statement: Houston has, indeed, drawn 30,000 for three straight home games.

I don't know how you define "best fans" (attendance, loudness, intensity?), but those attendance figures are remarkable. I imagine we'll see more than a few Houston supporters at RFK this weekend.


Posted by: Goff | November 12, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

unrelated,

lewis out
pearce + spector in

Posted by: smith | November 12, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Goff, what league was it that plays on the auxilary field?

Posted by: Bolivian DC Fan | November 12, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

must be nice to play home games on saturday nights...

Posted by: scruggs | November 12, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"I have plenty of respect for their fans, but there's no way they're higher than third, behind us and Toronto (I still think if you put us in Toronto's atmosphere, we would be louder). "

Basically, what I'm hearing is that you think you're the best fans in the league because, uh, you think you're the best fans in the league.

Without any clear-cut standard, all that could be reasonably said is that RFK is an intimidating place to play, that the Barra Brava, along with Chicago and Houston fans, puts on one of the best spectacles in the league (but that's only a few hundred people!), and DC supporters, considered OVERALL (and not just the Barra Brava), are among the best in the league.

But the "DC fans rank the best support in MLS" thing is sheer onanism.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

As a DC fan, i have to raise my hat to the Houston fans, the atmosphere in that stadium was incredible. It wasn't just a few sections, it was the entire stadium. They are helped with their proximity to the field, they are right up on the players, i think it adds a lot.

Posted by: Susan | November 12, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"must be nice to play home games on saturday nights..."

Again, Butterscotch, DC has had plenty of home playoff games on Saturday nights. But their best home playoff crowd EVER was eleven years ago, when they drew about 75% of what Houston has drawn...


ON A THURSDAY.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The NCAA women's field will be announced tonight on ESPNews. The top 16 seeds host the first two rounds, so almost surely there will be action in Charlottesville, and probably in Morgantown, this weekend. Navy gets the Patriot League automatic bid; James Madison and William and Mary have decent chances for at-large bids.

With regard to the NCAA men's field, the big story is that UCLA went from being at or near the top of preseason polls to being on the bubble with regard to the 48-team tournament.

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Can we also pause to discuss the fact that the nucleus of this team, the San Jose Earthquakes/Houston Dynamo, are about to win their fourth title? I applaud this westward movement of MLS support, it's a sign of maturity that one team isn't seen as the be-all, end-all of success and support. Viable leagues are filled with dynastic cycles, and I think Houston can rightfully be viewed as the league's standard bearer in support, and attractive play.

Posted by: Logan Circle | November 12, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

On a note related, what are the rules with regard to fans throwing projectiles onto the field?

The WCF was not the first game where Houston fans were permitted to pelt players on the field (mostly with streamers) and the league seems to tolerate it. Hartman had reason to be more than annoyed on a few occasions - especially when his feet were tied up on corner kicks. Toronto is also notorious for littering the field.

Goff - any word on league opinion to projectiles on the field?

Posted by: Mickey | November 12, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

MASN showed a truncated (second half started 15 or so minutes in) re-broadcast version of the Big East women's championship last night, in which WVU beat Notre Dame in PKs after a 1-1 draw. Pretty good crowd at Dick Dlesk stadium.

Posted by: Juan-John | November 12, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, if TFC played in a stadium with 30,000 seats, they probably would have drawn 30,000+ more than three straight games. From first-hand experience, I can say it's an intimidating environment.

Houston's support has been great in the playoffs the past two years. Not quite sure where about half of those folks are the rest of the time, but there's no arguing that they provide the best playoff support from a numbers perspective.

Posted by: EdTheRed | November 12, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Mastadon Juan, you are clearly just out to annoy people. Which is fine (it's the internet after all), just please get your facts straight first. Barra Brava is far more than a few hundred people, and Screaming Eagles membership is over 2000.

Posted by: DC | November 12, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The Georgetown women got to the Big East semis, where they lost to ND. An at-large bid for them is still possible.

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Bottles being thrown on the field is an issue; streamers are not.

It's up to the referee to stop the game to clear the field of debris or issue a warning (via the public address system).


Posted by: Goff | November 12, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

2000 Screaming Eagles? I doubt it, if so they're the 2000 quietest fans I've ever heard.

Posted by: Guffaw | November 12, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Goff, what are attendance numbers looking like for MLS Cup?

Posted by: Soy United! | November 12, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The Copa Taca is usually held at the auxillary fields. Predominantly Salvadoran with other central american and some bolivian players mixed in.

Posted by: Chico | November 12, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Guffaw,
They have 3 sections at RFK, right next to Barra. People often confuse them with the Barra because they sing the same songs, etc.

Posted by: DC | November 12, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

There are a handful of folks who really know what they're doing in the Barra to make the section look (a) spectacular, and (b) huge. I've been at a couple away games where a forty person Barra away group looks like five times that.

I'm guessing that it's a small number of people who are behind the great show they put on, because the visual elements and the design seem to have a very similar look. It could be that there's some sort of Barra style guide, but give me a break: it's probably a half dozen at most who know what they're doing and execute it.

The rest of the Barra does a fantastic job singing non-stop, but that's not the least bit unusual in MLS. What distinguishes that group is the amazing work clearly done by a few people.

As for the Screaming Eagles: give me a break. When Chicago went up 2-0, the camera panned the loud side, and while the Barra was still going, the SEs weren't singing. It's great that DC has converted what in most other stadiums are fairly passive fans into people who will stand and sing, but Toronto games have ten of those type supporters for every one SE.

You want to know why DC's atmosphere is amazing: look no futher than whoever it is who is running the show with the Barra Brava. Anyone else taking credit for that is fooling no one.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey Juan, how many people do your beloved Red Pukes draw?? Like 5k??

Posted by: Rocko | November 12, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"The Georgetown women got to the Big East semis, where they lost to ND. An at-large bid for them is still possible.

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 11:14 AM "
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Here's hoping they do! :-)

Posted by: Juan-John | November 12, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

What our leaders in the Barra set up for us to do, we do. If 800 people would individually go off on their own, it wouldn't work. We have the best, hardworking leadership around.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | November 12, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The fact is Houston, DC, Toronto and Chicago all have stellar fan support, especially when compared to the likes of Kansas City. 30k plus at two consecutive games is IMPRESSIVE. Period. I'm not sure where direct comparisons get us other than into contests involving urine (ewwww). DC has great support and I only wish we had made it the Cup so we could have given the league another amazing game atmosphere.

Posted by: Doze | November 12, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"We have the best, hardworking leadership around."

You don't need to be told this, but the effort and coordination shows-- the Barra spectacle is the sole point of distinction that sets DC above the rest of the league.

What's a total bore is hearing from the DC fans who make no effort take credit for the Barra's amazing work in sneering at actually hard-working supporters clubs in the rest of MLS. Don't think you're fooling anyone.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I say again fellas, we got the best team in the league, as evidenced by our Supporters Shield win. 8 major league trophies in 11 seasons. Nothing to sneeze at.

And our fans are awesome. Who cares who's "best"? Goff clearly put that in there to spark a little debate on the blog, and he succeded. Funny stuff really, getting all heated up over who are the "best" fans.

BTW, I've been following Blackburn since Nellie headed over a couple seasons ago. They're playing some really attractive football this season. I enjoyed that game the other day. It's a pity Dunn was sent off, not that he didn't deserve it, but it really changed the complexion of the match.

Here's a prediction for next season. DC hoists either the Supporters Shield or the MLS Cup. Vamos United!!!

Posted by: Matte | November 12, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Rocko, fifth in the league, a couple hundred behind New England, despite being complete and utter crap on the field, playing in a terrible stadium, with an astounding array of factors that all discourage anyone from going to games.

It's easy for some team's fans, and it's harder for others. I'm proud that we do as well as we do, considering how dire the situation was a few years ago, and if the things that are out of the hands of the supporters are ever resolved, we'll be just fine.

I'm especially proud of the ESC, who travel and do a good job with atmosphere. The supporters who really are involved in working hard for their respective teams have nothing but respect for the efforts of the ESC. It's the hangers-on, who leech off the efforts of the real supporters, who do the mocking.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Stupid MLS pissing contest.


Why hasn't anyone complained about Chrissy Ronaldo throwing Ryan Nelsen into the signage?

Posted by: Kim | November 12, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Kim, I'll join you in a long boo-hiss to the pretty boy. I was jumping out of my rocker at that challenge. But Nellie shrugged it off and went right back to the office. Love that guy!

Posted by: Matte | November 12, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

hey goff, no tottenham highlights? anyone else catch keano's moves on the by line to set up jenas' first?

new coach, new attitude - spurs are on the rise!

Posted by: john xavier | November 12, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't anyone complained about Chrissy Ronaldo throwing Ryan Nelsen into the signage?

----

Ronaldo should have been sent off for that. It was completely unnecessary and unwarranted at that point of the match. Nelsen went into those boards head first and could have been seriously injured.

And on the fans thing...anybody can be loud and boisterous when things are going well. I think Thomas Paine said it well, about the sunshine patriot...all I know is DCU fans have brought it since the inception of the league through good and bad times. Don't get me wrong, I like Houston's team (2nd to DC of course) but if they had lost 2-0 on Saturday would they have been so loud and festive?

Posted by: CMJ | November 12, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, fans are fans. I just want to see DC win. How you choose to watch a game is up to you; what counts for the future of the league is how many seats are filled.
DC has enthusiastic fans, but our turnout isnt always that high, especially during the week.

And I agree with an earlier poster; if Toronto had a 30k seat stadium, it'd still be packed. That's pretty awesome.

Posted by: Hacksaw | November 12, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

-May not be extremely significant, but let's recall that the Dynamo had no baseball, big-time local college football, or NFL to compete with these last couple saturdays. I'm too lazy to look up NBA, but I don't believe basketball is too big down there.

These last few Saturdays in D.C., on the other hand, has college football, college basketball, hockey, NBA, . . .

Posted by: UVA to RFK | November 12, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Houston did well but not spectacularly over the course of 15 league games, 3 Superliga games, and 2 CONCACAF Cup games, then does fantastically in 2 playoff games, and they have the best fans? I know the whole concept is nebulous, but this just seems like it's being handed to them so easily. Toronto's fans also got crowned "best in MLS" after their very first home game, but are now apparently out of the conversation. It seems like places like DC and Chicago get taken for granted in the rush to crown new teams' fans the best. Will Seattle instantly be the best fans in MLS on their debut in 2009 if 35K show up and are loud? I personally think this is something earned over time, but I guess I'm in the minority.

Juan, I see you're trying to engage conversation a bit more than normal, which is nice. However, I don't think anyone has taken individual credit for how great the Barra is. Not that you haven't been subject to straw-man arguments here before (including on this very topic), but it seems you're doing the same thing.

I also don't see, in general, how you can only respect the people that are in charge of a supporters' group. When is that ever going to be more than 5 or 6 people? I am not in charge of any supporters' groups, but I sing my heart out at every game, and travel to the away games I can make it to. Does this make me inferior somehow? Am I leeching off the Barra? If so, how can I ascend to a level where I meet your standards?

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | November 12, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

C. Ronaldo, the world's greatest ever.

Posted by: ManU | November 12, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Soccer America is predicting at-large bids for Georgetown, JMU, and W&M. They also pointed out that Loyola of Maryland gets an automatic bid through the Metro Atlantic conference, whatever that is.

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Re: The little incident.

Stoitchkov? How about Nowak? After all, someone was "sent to hospital".

Posted by: Postmaster | November 12, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Womens Big East final was good stuff. Those who say US is not producing creative attacking players have not seen WVU #7 Bonilla. Hanks from ND ain't too shabby either. Hopefully we will get to see more in the NCAAs.

Posted by: WNT fan | November 12, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The issue of undying loyalty is a laugher when you consider that attendance for DC's stand-alone games is closely pegged with the team's success. Have a look at the numbers going back: a winning team draws more fans. Kudos to DC for never being among the lowest draws, but, taking out the crowds for US games in the lead-up to 2002, they were strictly an also-ran when the team didn't win.

Numbers-wise, DC isn't leading the league in attendance, even with a great, winning team.

Literally the only factor that distinguishes the quality of DC's support is how amazing the Barra Brava is. You put the same 20k in Giants Stadium, and they'll look only marginally better than the 16k NY averages. Seriously, only one more seat out of fifteen would be filled. That's the magnitude of the problem. There are two big differences:

1. the fact that a number of fans who are in the Screaming Eagles section (2000?) who at other stadiums (except BMO) are sitting on their asses have the feedback mechanism of a stadium that amplifies sound. I can tell you, it's damned discouraging to walk from a literally deafening Section 101 to a section third of the way around Giants Stadium, and hardly hear a thing. The conversion and retention of the casual fan to a much more active participant is a real feather in the cap to DCU, though let it be said that very, very little of that is due to the inherent greatness of DC fans and much more to do with factors like a loud stadium and winning.

2. The Barra Brava is a mighty-looking thing. Some of the intensity of their support is due to the uncontrollables like a loud stadium and a winning team, but they really bring it. I'm impressed by the rentention of members-- DC fans obviously really feel like their support means a lot for the success of the team, and it's probably true, but that doesn't mean that NY loses because their supporters are crappy. And moreover, there's a level of expertise among the folks who do the planning for Barra Brava that is completely unmatched in MLS.

Praising DCU fans makes me throw up in my mouth, but it's indisputable that there are aspects of their support which are at or almost at the very top of MLS, and are comparable to overseas. But for the vast majority of DC supporters to critize other supporters-- much more hardcore supporters-- as weak or insignificant is what has prompted me to call them on their bullcrap.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Mastodon,

If you and fellow Red Bulls fans were to put your energies into support for your club (rather than post so many messages on a blog) perhaps you could match Houston, DC or a minor league rodeo.

Good luck with that.

Posted by: delantero | November 12, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"best fans in the league, yes?"

cripes. yes, thurs night had an effect and hopefully no one chose the van halen show over dc united.

those houston fans are going to take out an eye with all of their streamer projectiles

Posted by: blancanieve | November 12, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Mastodon,

Thank you for typifying redbulls fans. You just don't get it, and they way your club's support is heading, you never will.

Vamos United!

Posted by: J-Mart | November 12, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

houston better win this thing,
Although new england probably deserves it more. But id rather watch DC and houston in the champions cup, then some half assed performance from New England playing in bermuda. They just dont care about international competition. that why DC has always been the best team to represent as was Houston, even though they got creamed by pachuca in the away leg.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 12, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

When a beer bottle came out of the Bara Brava section in the Chicago playoff game (after the second goal I think), the ref went over, picked up the bottle, and held it above his head while slowly carrying it across the field. Message: whoever through the bottle cost the team precious time in a come-from-behind situation. No more were thrown (until after the game anyway).

On the fans - what does it matter who's best? We go. We create an atmosphere that we enjoy. So do they. All have a good time. But personally I don't think we should be crowing about our fans when we throw things on the field. Remember what our players were saying when they came back from Mexico? Its easy enough to get a rise out of Blanco without throwing things at him.

Posted by: regular fan | November 12, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Delantero,

Uh, it's the off-season. For us both, might I add.

I'm not personalizing this: all of you who travel to away games and stand and sing for the whole game to the extent your health allows are okay in my book.

It's just in my experience that diehard supporters don't deny the commitment of another team's diehard supporters, even if they call them every name in the book. The harder you strain to insist you're the best supporters in history, and the more you try to mock other teams' support as a joke, the more likely it is that you golf-clap at the games.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"But what did they draw in the regular season? Look at their final 3 games:

10/20: 16,853
10/15: 15,587 (note: this was a Monday night game)
09/30: 17,366

Good, but not great. I have plenty of respect for their fans, but there's no way they're higher than third, behind us and Toronto (I still think if you put us in Toronto's atmosphere, we would be louder)."

Why did you pick Dynamo's away games to make your point? The two October games you listed were at RSL and Chivas, the September game was at FCD.

Dynamo did sell out the last regular season game; however, that was against LA (albeit Beckhamless) and is not that impressive. The first playoff game was included with season tickets and Beckham packs, so when that sold out, that wasn't that much of a surprise.

However, selling out the last game with no season ticket pre-sales, and in only a week is really impressive. No other MLS team has sold that many tickets that quickly for a match involving two MLS teams. You gotta respect that...

...and if you do, it doesn't take anything away from how loud BB or SE are.

Having been to games both at RFK and Robertson, I gotta say that both atmospheres are amazing. Robertson is a better stadium for MLS games IMO, while BB/SE are significantly better organized than EB/TA. Both stadiums are very loud and a great home field advantage for both teams.

Posted by: Bobyone | November 12, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Smart move by Goff to build an internet argument to make up for the clicks from this weekend.;)

Posted by: sitruc | November 12, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Mastadon Juan wins troll of the week!!! Yeah.

For some reason best fans in the league gets pegged to different teams fans rather quickly on nice displays over short time periods. Toronto was considered the best after one home game! So Toronto can create a bandwagon, we're still waiting for the sophmore season. There are teams that are abysmal and teams that are pretty good. Houston is in the pretty good category for most of the regular season but seems to have a trough in the summer if I recall. And they can create a playoff crowd, hooray marketing.

BTW where did RSL place this year in attendance? Always thought they get short shrift in these pissing contests despite finishing near the top their first two years for that team. Though that might have waned this year if some of the noises coming out of there are accurate.

Posted by: bluemeanies | November 12, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I watched the Houston-KC highlights and my only reaction was being fed up with MLS - playing a playoff match on an astroturf field with football field lines and end zone paintings - looked like a great game but I just can't watch pro games played on bushleague pitches. They should be ashamed. Give them a real field to play on.

Posted by: soccerphil | November 12, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

WTF? "Troll" = "someone who disagrees with me and presses me to justify my poorly reasoned opinions"? DC United fans don't own the comments section of the soccer blog of a national newspaper, you know.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The top five teams are all but certain to receive NCAA tournament berths regardless of their performance in the ACCs. (Goff)
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Of course, to the NCAA folks, what counts is a team's overall record, not just within its conference. Right now the ACC teams' rankings in national polls look nothing like their seeds in the ACC tournament. Further, both the Soccer America and Soccer Times polls have six ACC teams in the top 25, including Virginia, which finished eighth in the ACC regular season. Can the NCAA really deny any of these six teams a berth in a 48-team field, assuming they don't totally embarrass themselves in the ACC tourney?

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

No astroturf at Robertson. That's grass Phil.

The atmosphere is great in Houston in the spring and fall for games. I realize that the attendance isn't spectacular during the summer months (day games in particular), but the weather is tough not only for the players, but spectators as well.

And for the record, our away leg with Pachuca went to extra time with several opportunities to win the game. High altitude and offseason were major obstacles in that game.

When we played again in Superliga we were up 1-0 in the first few minutes but a red card in the 10th minute doomed us. We lost that one in overtime despite playing down a man most of the game.

Posted by: Byron | November 12, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't the houston chronicle or new york times have blogs?

Also, I couldn't believe Jaqua got away with only a yellow for that elbow-jeez.

Posted by: get your own goff | November 12, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Mastodon Juan:

Just because the Barra Brava are the loudest doesn't necessarily mean the other supporters groups at RFK (or even those not part of organized supporters groups) are any less committed to wanting the team they cheer for (be it standing up and singing the whole game or sitting down and preserving their throats) to win as much as possible.

Posted by: Juan-John | November 12, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

That's fine, Juan-John: I only object when the very same folks who sit back while the Barra does all the heavy lifting sneer at the rest of MLS for not having the great atmosphere created by, erm, the Barra.

I'm sure they desperately want DCU to win. And Kansas City fans similarly want KC to win, yet with almost no difference in behavior or action at the individual level, KC have terrible support and should be moved, while DCU is slumming it having to play outside South America.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Whatever guys, redbulls will win this coming year no question. DC just sucks, thats all it comes down to. The fans are certainly not the best in MLS, I wouldn't be surprised if they even got the supporters shield stripped from them and given to Houston because of how great their support has been the last 3 games.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Goff,
I know you are a journalist thus prone to myopia but in fact, D.C. United averaged 20,967 fans at RFK for the 15 regular season games. The Houston Dynamo averaged 15,883 below the league average of 16,770.

Support like the definition of a champion (Supporter's Shield v. MLS Cup) is in the eye of the beholder.

Posted by: Tommie | November 12, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE

I WIN THE BATTLE OF ARGUMENT ON THE FACELESS INTERNET.

p.s. bobbyboswell.com sucks

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I won the arguement, I had the last laugh

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

"Whatever guys, redbulls will win this coming year no question. DC just sucks, thats all it comes down to. The fans are certainly not the best in MLS, I wouldn't be surprised if they even got the supporters shield stripped from them and given to Houston because of how great their support has been the last 3 games."

you have ricketts from sitting at home in the dark and posting all day and not getting out to tailgate and go to matches right?

Posted by: blancanieve | November 12, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Jackass who is impersonating me: learn to spell.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"you have ricketts from sitting at home in the dark"

You're responding to someone who can barely string a sentence together but who is impersonating me.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I wanna make sweet passionate man-love to Juan Pablo Angel.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

C'mon folks, if yer gonna post here, have the guts and brains to post under your own specific moniker.

Not defending Mastodon's opinions, just sayin'...

Posted by: Juan-John | November 12, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

News from NCAA-land: Navy, JMU, Penn going to West Virginia on Friday; Georgetown, W&M, Loyola (Md.) going to Virginia. Details:

http://www.ncaasports.com/soccer/womens/brackets/viewable/straight64_dyn/2007/DI

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Womens Big East final was good stuff. Those who say US is not producing creative attacking players have not seen WVU #7 Bonilla.

Posted by: WNT fan | November 12, 2007 01:41 PM
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The WVU Web site says that Bonilla grew up in Dumfries. On the MASN broadcast, they mentioned that WVU's starting keeper is from Williamsburg. I wonder how many other folks on the rosters of the 64 teams in the MCAA tournament played their high school and/or club ball in this area.

Posted by: 22201 | November 13, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Make that NCAA.

Posted by: 22201 | November 13, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

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