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Weekend Discussion

Houston-Kansas City? English league? Other Euro action? Upcoming national team matches?

This is the place for lively discussion this weekend. Open forum -- woohoo!

Enjoy.....

By Steve Goff  |  November 10, 2007; 11:55 AM ET
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I'm hoping Kansas City goes all the way just so I can see everyone whine and complain about how the team and the city don't deserve it.

Posted by: J | November 10, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Concerning Seattle getting an expansion franchise:

MLS has added another team with an artificial surface. Sad.

Also, what's going to be the connection with the Sounders?

Posted by: Matt Brock | November 10, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If they win tonight then they deserve it. It's a cup tournament. Anything can happen.

That said...I'll be at the game tonight rooting for the better team -- the Dynamo -- to win and then send New England home crying again for the 3rd year in a row when we beat them in DC.

Go Dynamo!

Posted by: Chris | November 10, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Matt: There's a press conference scheduled for Tuesday in Seattle to announce all that.

http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20071110&content_id=128838&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp

Posted by: SportzNut21 | November 10, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Great choice in Seattle, but the artificial turf is a pain.

Any bets on the next expansion team? I'd love to see Philly or Montreal.

Posted by: Skyler | November 10, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

go fulham! beat those dirty scousers! (or, more likely, tie. that would be just fine.)

Posted by: expat lumberjack | November 10, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Any bets on the next expansion team? I'd love to see Philly or Montreal.
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Philadelphia and St. Louis both have investors and stadium plans. Montreal does not. Until these materialize...

Posted by: 22201 | November 10, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Realize the odds are slim, but if the RedBulls promote Harkes could Armas become one of their assistant coaches?

[Armas said he would like to return to the New York City area and become a coach at some level ... "I would like to get into some situation where it keeps me in New York," he said earlier this year. "It's not saying that I wouldn't do anything else. I would love to coach in MLS. But I (would love) to coach at the university or other setting. I just don't know what's going to be available in the coming year."]

http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20071109&content_id=128831&vkey=news_mls&fext=.jsp

Posted by: emanon | November 10, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

RE: KC, no the city/team does not deserve it.
Losing more games than they won, average crowds of 12-13k. I honestly don't think they'll ever draw more than 15k, even if/when they get an SSS.

Re: Seattle, FieldTurf.
From what I've seen on the topic, Qwest will switch to grass. They only went to FieldTurf at the insistance of former Seahawk GM Mike Holmgren, who is no longer in the picture.

Re: Future Expansion.

(16)St. Louis will likely join in either the same year as Seattle or 1 year later.

I'd look for (17)Philly and (18)Portland shortly thereafter.

Posted by: AlecW81 | November 10, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

wow. Fernando Torres is quality
Liverpool 2 - 0 Fulham

Posted by: andrew | November 10, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they are the better team, but I would like to see KC win, because of their DC connections: Onalfo and Kelderman. Onalfo was my choice for DCU coach but I think he took the KC job before ours was officially open.

Posted by: Hedbal | November 10, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm coming into DC for MLS Cup and the last team I want to see is KC, they are one of the least compelling teams in the league (only beaten out by RSL and the Rapids), plus they don't deserve it, having barely made the playoffs and then were incredibly lucky to come up against a weakend Chivas team (who they had no business beating last weekend after giving up about 20 shots on goal), come on Dynamo!

And the LFC-Fulham game was great (at least the 2nd half), Rafa finally made no changed, though in the end the substituted changed the tide (especially taking off Risse for Babel) Torres is amazing and worth every penny of his transfer fee, Dempsey was pretty good (played on the wings, instead of up front) and Boca was unlucky to get that penalty call, hopefully the Reds can take this momentum into the holiday fixtures and get back into the title hunt. YNWA!

Posted by: Chase | November 10, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

GO WIZARDS!!!

Posted by: Kurt | November 10, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Philadelphia and St. Louis both have investors and stadium plans. Montreal does not. Until these materialize...
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right on one account-- montréal doesn't have an investor willing to buy into mls (at this moment in time, though there's much speculation). on the other hand, they do have a stadium-- stade saputo will open this spring. 13,000 seats, and expandable to 17,000 (and, one would imagine, many more, given the way that it's been built). it's not a gem-- open corners, on the cheap-- but it is a soccer specific stadium, one stand has a roof, it has a beautiful grass pitch, and the location is excellent (the view of olympic stadium is class). i'm all for a montréal bid-- proven soccer-rabid fanbase, one of the great cities of the world... but who knows if it will happen!

Posted by: hogmesh | November 10, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I want the Wizards to win. No back-to-back for Houston 1836 Earthquakes & no Revs title (ever). MLS needs a Buffalo Bills.

I want Philly to join before I want St. Louis. Philly is a major media market, St. Louis is not. Also a natural rival.

I want 17 and 18 in the next three years, with St. Louis and Las Vegas. C'mon Caligiuri, or Caliguiri, or Calijury, aww darn it, however you spell it! ;) You can do it!

Posted by: spectre | November 10, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Torres is the man. He saved Rafa's butt.
I think Derby will be relegated for sure! Tomorrow Man U v. Black Burn. Put Nani in starting line, Sir Fergi.
Barcelona was kick butt by Getafe again, what a shame!
Houston is going to win all over again!! Take my word.

Posted by: td | November 10, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Will Christian Gomez leave to make way for the return of our savior, Freddy Adu?

Posted by: Matt | November 10, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

OK, a serious question, have you followed the progress of Fro Adu at all? Does he have professional potential?

Posted by: Matt | November 10, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

It just came to me that a Wizards win may also have the added benefit of causing another examination of the playoff format.

Newspapers will say:
The 5th seed in the East wins the West? What??

Posted by: spectre | November 10, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

OTHER newspapers of course....

This one is in a class of its own.

Posted by: spectre | November 10, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Any chance the Wizards/Dynamo game can be seen online anywhere?

Posted by: Shatz / DCUMD | November 10, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

i just want to draw people's attention for 1 second to the biggest soccer news of the weekend - the final weekend of the Russian
league. Only in 1995 (Alania Vladikavkaz) has a team from outside of Moscow been Russian League champion, but a win for Zenit St Petersurg and thet are champs. They are 2 points ahead of Spartak. Spartak holds the tie-breaker, which is head-to-head. In fact, Spartak are 3-0-0 in all competitions vs Zenit this year. (Interestingly, in the Russian league if head-to-head is also tied, as it was with Lokomotiv and CSKA in 2004, they go to a one-game championship!)

Zenit are away to Saturn (5th out of 16 clubs) and Spartak are home vs arch rival Dinamo (6th out of 16). Neither of those opponents will be push overs.

Vperyod Zenit!

Posted by: Justin | November 10, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

KC/Houston - links to sopcast and tvu streams

http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=1822&part=sports

Posted by: emanon | November 10, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Earlier today National Public Radio aired a report on whether hooliganism could ever take root in MLS. It included an allegation by a fan of another club (NYRB, I think) that on a visit to Estadio RFK, he had an encounter with a couple of people that he said could only be described as hooligans.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16189152

Posted by: 22201 | November 10, 2007 8:39 PM | Report abuse

NPR idiocy! They want a story on soccer hooliganism, who better to get than Douggie Brimson, who makes his living promoting soccer hooliganism as their "objective source." Clearly the producers of this piece have absolutely no backgound knowlege of soccer or the MLS. I'm sure they were disappointed there wasn't any dust-up ever again.

I will never trust NPR ever, ever ever again. Never.

Posted by: big spaniel | November 10, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Lets talk about how bobbyboswell.com decided to shut down its message boards because someone questioned the defensive play of all defenders during the last part of the season. Talk about censorship being a cancer.

Posted by: Patriot | November 10, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

80:25 HOU -81st Minute. Goal Scored by 14-Dwayne De Rosario, 1st of season. Assisted by 16-Craig Waibel, 1st of season. In Goal was 1-Kevin Hartman. Goal scored from inside goal area.


2-0 now. Looks like this match is about over.

Posted by: Shatz / DCUMD | November 10, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

how many DC fans still plan on attending the MLS Cup and on wearing their DC garb?
I was wandering on bigsoccer and noticed a lot of people wanting to go to cheer DC with flags and colors despite them not making it to the finals
That would be pretty cool and fun if we could fill the stands with DC supporters, at least we would have something to look forward to...the ESPN/ABC folk wouldn't know what to think with their cameras picking up crazed DC fans in the front stands

Posted by: United or Bust | November 10, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

United or Bust, Great Idea.
I bought my tickets too early and don't feel like wasting my deposit
I know I'll be there with my United Jersey and DC Flag screaming at the refs, I figure that may be more entertaining than the game

Posted by: Cidmon | November 10, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

@ Patriot

Word. Anything other than "OMG UR SO GR8 BOBBY! WE LUV U!" or "UR HOT. I hope the DC United wins!" gets deleted from Bobbyboswell.com.

Posted by: NW FC | November 10, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

They apparently drew a crowd of 30K or so once more. Is this a record for a playoff match, apart from the final? They're making a case for playing future MLS Cup and/or All-Star games in Houston.

Posted by: 22201 | November 10, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Houston Dynamo wins it all and they will win the MLS Cup too. MLS need to make a better trophy. I can't understand how they can't come up with the better one. It looks like something pick out of a yard sale. Dynamo fans are all in Orange. Come on United fans we can do better than that. Let's put a show next year the massive black and red cheering, singing and bouncing fans that do not exists in other leagues in the US!

Posted by: td | November 10, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Re: NPR

The Red Bull fan on the tape clearly deserved it. Just kidding

Re: NPR

Problem with "other places soccer tradition" is that the rivalries and passion are not based solely on soccer---race, politics, and religion mix in a cauldron of sport.

i.e: The former Serb dictator Solobo bobo bobo dan Miloseic used FC Star Red Belgrade's fan clubs as a militant wing for his party.

The chants of some London clubs are ringed with anti-semitism.

For a good read "How Soccer Explains the World" by Franklin Foer

Posted by: delantero | November 10, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't want the whining Revs winning the cup, especially at RFK. So, Ching's calf injury is worrisome. On the other hand, I think Ngwenya can cause the Revs' backline a lot of trouble with his speed. Still, this is not ideal for a Houston team that I respect.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | November 10, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

man, screw it

this coming weekend Its all about the Black and Red

NE sucks and I could care less about houston

All I know is that I'll be at RFK with a bunch of my buddies screaming for United

This is our house

Posted by: Jared L. | November 10, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

is this the unofficial start of a movement to bring DC United Fans to RFK for the cup?
well played gentlemen (or ladies)

you think if the press picked up on the fervor and devotion of United Supporters in a game that the team isn't even playing in,then there would be more pressure for a Stadium deal?

Posted by: googler | November 10, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow. The ambience in Houston was pretty incredible tonight.They deserve to be in the Finals.
The city seems to be behind the team as well.
Goff, Check this out: on the Houston Chronicle main webpage, they had a live blog of the game!


Ching seems to be ok. It was just a strain muscle and according to the news he should be ready.

Posted by: Charles | November 10, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Goff,
any news about whether the supporter's clubs will be in attendance for MLS Cup? or are their tickets up for sale?
I'm hearing mixed things, but it seems like there will be a lot of visible/vocal United Support in the stands
I can't wait to see the face of Revs supporters with their dinky scarves with blue facepaint surrounded by a sea of Black shirts and drums, they'll probably be crying and confused!

Posted by: G-Wiz | November 10, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow. 30,000+ fans for two matches in a row in Houston. I wonder if D.C. could have done that if they'd played on saturdays.

Posted by: UVA to RFK | November 11, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Houston's support looked good. About where United was in late 1996.

So lemme get this straight. I root for United in the first round (actually, always). I root for Chivas EEUU in the first round. I root for the Wizards in the second round.

All lost.

hmmm....


Go Revs!

Posted by: spectre | November 11, 2007 3:59 AM | Report abuse

Any chance Nate Jaqua gets suspended for his elbow to the neck of Jack Jewsbury?

Posted by: Jaqua? | November 11, 2007 4:09 AM | Report abuse

England just can't escape the injury bug - this time it's Israel's (and Liverpool's)midfielder Benayoun which makes it more likely that Russia will get the win ending England's Euro chances. Of course if the game against Croatia is meaningless than the critics can't be too against Beckham playing and getting another cap on the road to 100. How about an England - US friendly this summer in the States for Beckham to get his 100th cap ?

Posted by: emanon | November 11, 2007 7:27 AM | Report abuse

"Billy Smith II : Chronicle
Count me in -- The spectacle of Saturday's Dynamo win and the thrill of an MLS Cup shot should make anyone love soccer, columnist Richard Justice writes."

Front page of the Houston Chronicle website. Along with multiple articles on the team and fans on the front page of the print edition. This after a super active day of college football, including a very exciting Texas vs. Texas Tech game and on NFL football Sunday.

Another season of this and they could start to outdraw the Texans.

Posted by: Houston Soccer | November 11, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

The NPR piece also had comments such as "the game ended 0-0, big surprise" and a bunch of other annoying little quips.

Posted by: Nogra Rover | November 11, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking forward to the USMNT-SA match next Saturday and the Houston-Revs rematch on Sunday.

Potential storylines.

Who else is Bob Bradley calling in? Jimmy Conrad, Eddie Johnson, Justin Mapp and Jimmy Conrad?

Who will start for US? How will they contain Benni McCarthy? Will Altidore get his first cap?

Will Ching play in the Cup Final?

If Houston wins next Sunday against the Revolution, is there any doubt that this team, between being the SJ Earthquakes and then moving to Houston, is the best franchise having won 4 out of last 7 MLS Cups? Can the Revs avoid the "Buffalo Bills" label and finally win MLS Cup?

Can the Revs join DC, Chicago and LA as the only teams to win MLS Cup and the Open Cup in the same year?

Posted by: 12th man | November 11, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I, as well as the fellow season ticket holders in our section will all be at MLS Cup, doing what we always do....wearing Black and Red and cheering on our team!!! We also always, always, defend our section in OUR HOUSE. I had a whole row of Chicago (Q. Blanco) fans removed from my section at the last game at R.F.K. Apparently "someone" (or actually a few people) believed that a riot was about to insue and talked to stadium security. Because I've had these seats for 11 years and have been in that section longer than any of the stadium staff, we were not bothered. They knew to move the Chicago fans out of our section. While I didn't want a fight, I was very vocal in my disdain for these punks that were rooting for another team too close to my seats.

Anyway, enough about that bad game....we will be there and we will be taking care of R.F.K., our House, the best stadium with the best fans in Major League Soccer.

GO UNITED!!! This game next Sunday is just academic.

Posted by: Smitty | November 11, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure the Screaming Eagles will be out in numbers.
La Barra Brava? Not so much. I know Duffman is having his Breast Cancer Fundraiser in Lot8 though, so there's bound to be a handful of Barra out there, just don't count on them actually going in to watch the match.

Posted by: AlecW81 | November 11, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

What I want to know is why the Houston-Kansas City match was played in Anaheim?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/10/AR2007111001495.html

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | November 11, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow. 30,000+ fans for two matches in a row in Houston. I wonder if D.C. could have done that if they'd played on saturdays.

Posted by: UVA to RFK | November 11, 2007 01:35 AM
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I would rephrase the question: Historically, has DCU ever done that for even one postseason Saturday night match? I can't recall any occasion when they've drawn more than about 25K under similar circumstances.

Posted by: 22201 | November 11, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Good news for all you New England / Boston haters: Since the 2001 NFL season, when the Revs make the MLS Cup final, the Patriots do not make the Super Bowl (opposite is also true - Pats go to Super Bowl only when Revs do not make final). Kraft mojo only works one at a time, I guess.

Posted by: jca-Crystal city | November 11, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"I would rephrase the question: Historically, has DCU ever done that for even one postseason Saturday night match? I can't recall any occasion when they've drawn more than about 25K under similar circumstances."

As far as I can tell, the all-time largest crowd for a DC home playoff game was 23566, for a Thursday night game against Tampa on October 10, 1996.

The MLS Cup final in 1997 at RFK drew 57431 on Sunday, October 26, but that's apples to oranges.

There weren't a lot of Saturday playoff games for DC in the Redskins era, when the biggest spikes in United attendance occurred, but fact of the matter is that no RFK post-season game that wasn't a cup final has drawn more than 76% of what Houston drew last night.

I'm surprised, too.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 11, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Houston has been the class of the league, the last 2 years, winning championships and doing well in international tournaments, I will cheer for them, they have represented MLS very well. A United Houston final would have been ideal. My brother and I will be dressed in our DC gear and cheering for Houston.

Hopefully the Rev fans and Houston fans will show up for a really big crowd and a good game.

Posted by: Susan | November 11, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

does anyone know any local stores or websites that sell "vintage" DC united uniforms?
I've been looking for an old school Harkes shirt for a while, but Ebay never has one..

On another note, i will be at the Cup with 10 friends with Black and Red war paint on, our jaime moreno shirts and our DC Flags

See you there!

Posted by: Harkes for Prez | November 11, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

OK, a serious question, have you followed the progress of Fro Adu at all? Does he have professional potential?

Posted by: Matt | November 10, 2007 07:04 PM
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So far it looks as if Adu is a reasonably big fish in a very small pond. He was regularly in the starting 11 as a freshman, but on a team that, one year after getting into the NCAA tournament, couldn't even get into the six-team CAA tournament. A few CAA alumni have played in MLS, but they were from an era when the league was stronger.

Posted by: 22201 | November 11, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

KC's starting central midfielder last night is from James Madison of the CAA. Wade Barrett, Houston captain, is from William and Mary of the CAA. Clyde Simms is from East Carolina, formerly in the CAA. Chiago's Gonzalo Segares is from VCU in the CAA. So is Dallas' Oduro.

Posted by: CAA Zone | November 11, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

DC reject Lucio Filomeno scores a goal that gave newly promoted Asteras Tripoli a shock win over Greek champions Olympiakos.

Filomeno is the team's top scorer with 3 goals.

http://www.greeksoccer.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=2382

Posted by: Asterianos | November 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

KC's starting central midfielder last night is from James Madison of the CAA. Wade Barrett, Houston captain, is from William and Mary of the CAA. Clyde Simms is from East Carolina, formerly in the CAA. Chiago's Gonzalo Segares is from VCU in the CAA. So is Dallas' Oduro.

Posted by: CAA Zone | November 11, 2007 02:29 PM
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To that list you can add GMU's Richie Kotschau, who has played for several MLS teams, most recently RSL. He was from an era, about a decade ago, when the CAA was a bit stronger relative to the rest of the NCAA, and when GMU was certainly much stronger relative to the rest of the CAA. Wade Barrett is also from that era. It's good to know that the CAA is still making some sort of impact.

Posted by: 22201 | November 11, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Plus, Jon Leibowitz played soccer at William & Mary, long before he started hosting The Daily Show.

Posted by: JJH | November 11, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

One benefit of MLS's lower profile in the States is we don't have to worry about things like this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7090017.stm

(Police Shooting trying to break up fight between fans for rival teams and the aftermath)

Posted by: emanon | November 11, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

One benefit of MLS's lower profile in the States is we don't have to worry about things like this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7090017.stm

(Police Shooting trying to break up fight between fans for rival teams and the aftermath)

Posted by: emanon | November 11, 2007 06:36 PM

Except for the stabbings at the DC United adjunct fields at RFK today. Great timing considering MLS Cup is this weekend.

Posted by: NE DC | November 11, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

go spurs!!! finally...against the titans known as wigan athletic. now we are only the 7th crappiest team in the epl!

Posted by: juanderamos | November 11, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"An era when the CAA was stonger"?

Jeff Parke and Segares are very recent CAA products. By the time Fro Adu is done at Mason there will be three new MLS teams which means a lot more jobs out there for young players.

Posted by: Todd H. | November 12, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

let the record show:

glory glory tottenham hotspur.

Posted by: brandon | November 12, 2007 12:41 AM | Report abuse

I've always thought that the Supporters Sections at RFK for the cup should feature nothing but a banner proclaiming DC United as the true Champions for winning the shield.

Posted by: UVA-United | November 12, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

If a Seattle franchise is now a done deal, does this increase the chances that another expansion team will be added for '09? Do they really want to repeat this year's experience with an odd number of teams? Or will they switch to three five-team divisions for just one year, before reverting to a more familiar configuration in '10?

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"I've always thought that the Supporters Sections at RFK for the cup should feature nothing but a banner proclaiming DC United as the true Champions for winning the shield."

And if Houston had won the Shield and DC were in the final, you would be talking about how you're playing for the "true Championship" of MLS.

Does your collective ego know no bounds?

Everyone knows that DC United won the 2004 MLS Cup. Quick, no cheating: who won the 2004 Supporters Shield?

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't the 2004 Supporters' shield winner the Crew. They started the Supporters Shield curse.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 12, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the 2004 Columbus Crew, who as the "true Champions" of MLS have gone down in history with DiStefano's Real Madrid, Cruyff's Ajax, and the great Bill Shankly Liverpool sides.

(You forgot to thank Wikipedia for your instant recall, Anon, but don't worry, your slightly modified references to the Supporters Shield curse gave your source away.)

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Who could forget that great 2004 Crew XI: up front, they had, uh.... Buddle, I think, and Jeff Cunningham.... in that dominating midfield, Kyle Martino, and that dude from New Zealand who isn't Ryan Nelsen, you know, the one with the blond curly hair... and, uh, was Eddie Gaven with them that year? no? oh, what's his name, with the bad bleach job who used to play for Colorado, and I guess another guy on the wing; on the backline, Frankie Hejduk, and the OTHER New Zealander who isn't Nelsen, and, uh, was Robin Fraser not yet drawing Social Security? and I guess they had another defender, or maybe a midfielder... did they play with three or four in the back???? And in goal, who could ever forget that really short guy! Even shorter than Nick Rimando!

QED.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember all of the Supporter's Shield winners but Columbus winning it in 2004 has been a constant joke among MLS fans and just because you became a fan in the past year doesn't mean that

a) the history of MLS started in 2007.
b) because you have an opinion about the Supporters' Shield makes it fact.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 12, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Really, now.

I literally can name every MLS Cup champion, and be certain I'm right without having to look it up.

I can guess at five or six Supporters Shield winners, but I'd have to look it up. Quick, who won the 1996 Supporters Shield*?

I'd be proud if my team could win the ANYTHING, including the Supporters Shield, but it's patently ridiculous, not to say shamefully self-serving. to assert that the Supporters Shield carries even EQUAL importance in the minds of typical MLS fans, let alone MORE importance.

*Post facto.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Anon, I would run you into the GROUND on MLS bona fides. I gave money to Sam for the damn Supporters Shield ten years ago because regular season champions should be commended, even for an imbalanced schedule. You have every right to be proud of it. But really, it just doesn't hold the importance of MLS Cup.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I've not claimed that the Supporter's Shield is equal to the MLS Cup even though I understand those who do. Who cares what the typical fan cares about, this isn't a poll. As for having to look up Supporters Shield winners there are some I'd have to look up and some I don't. As for MLS Cup winners the only reason I remember so many is because DC United has won four of them. Now if you really want to send me to Wikipedia, ask me who won the World Series. The Super Bowl i remember the winner only because the same team seems to win it year after year.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 12, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"i'm all for a montréal bid-- proven soccer-rabid fanbase, one of the great cities of the world... but who knows if it will happen!"

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I think Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment folks might have something to say about that.

Posted by: Juan-John | November 12, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

An almost totally vacuous comment, Anon. What you're basically taking issue with is the word "important." Well, sure, if you think DC fans should use the most watched game of the year, the game that is synonymous with "MLS Championship," to tell every casual viewer that they're friggin' stupid because the only important trophy is whichever one DC happens to have won that year, have at it, hot stuff.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Juan-John, Maple Leaf S&E will probably have little or nothing to say about it. The distance from Toronto to Montreal is about 500 km., roughly the same as the distance from the MLS wannabe city of St. Louis to Chicago and Kansas City. Of course, Philadelphia is much closer to Washington and New York than that.

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

moreover, tfc's canada exclusivity will end with the end of the decade.

Posted by: hogmesh | November 12, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The Canada exclusivity was silly to begin with. Did they really think they were going to develop much of a following far beyond Toronto? Gee, they must have planned on selling a lot of replica kit through stores in Winnipeg.

Posted by: 22201 | November 12, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"just because you became a fan in the past year"

I just wanted to underscore the total disingenuousness of this remark, to expose Anonymous to even more mockery.

Yeah, I had just done a damned good job of trying to name a lineup from three years ago of a team I don't even support, including actually naming five of the players and identifying five more (including Ross Paule and Jon Busch, who I remembered right after posting), and I'm on the goddamned Beckham bandwagon because I'm pointing out how totally outrageous and tiny-minded it is for DC fans to strut around RFK next Sunday calling the actual finalists castratos, while at the same time using the 2007 Supporters Shield as a codpiece.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | November 12, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Goff. You are a troll on your own blog!

:D

Posted by: Eric | November 12, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

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