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Gameday: Final Four

Virginia Tech-Wake Forest at 5 p.m. (ESPN2)
Massachusetts-Ohio State at around 7:30 (ESPNU)

If you are watching at home, please share your pregame, in-game and postgame thoughts here.....

By Steve Goff  |  December 14, 2007; 3:29 PM ET
Categories:  College Soccer  
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Got the ESPN2 HD channel on already. (wonder if it will be broadcast in HD though?).

Let's Go... _________

Posted by: HummerSport | December 14, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron Veron

Posted by: Logan Circle | December 14, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Lets Go Terps!!!!! Err, uhh .....

Posted by: Hmmm | December 14, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Ives is reporting that Veron said no to DCU.

Posted by: Rocko | December 14, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

has anyone found an internet stream for the VT-Wake game? Please share.

Posted by: mb | December 14, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

For those of us who will be stuck in our offices or some other place sans TV, you can find audio links at:

http://www.ncaasports.com/broadcast/schedule/champ-audio

Gametrackers are at:

http://www.ncaasports.com/soccer/mens/scoreboard/div1/2007/1214

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The late game (OSU-UMass) will be rebroadcast on BSPN2 tomorrow night. However, the Wake-Tech game will only be televised in real time. For details:

http://www.soccertv.com/espn.cfm

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I will probably have the Ohio State v UMass game on in the background while I study. College soccer has never been to exciting to me, but it beats focusing on school.

Posted by: jgildea | December 14, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

GO HOKIES!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joe | December 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOO


HHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOKIEEEEEEEESSSSSSSS

Posted by: dave | December 14, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The Tech feature in the WP print edition talked about 4 European players who "came to Virginia Tech for only one season". The three Germans are 23, 23, and 25. Edmans is only 20. Similarly, Virginia has Reyering who is 23, though he did play three full seasons there.

My question, does anyone else have an issue with this threatening the integrity of the college game? International players are nothing new and many of the best players in the States look abroad to turn pro, but NCAA soccer is not ruled by money like Division I football so why should it sacrifice reason and fairness in the same manner?

Additionally, the influx of older, more experienced, (and honestly better in many instances) foreign players undermines a valuable development track for American talent.

Posted by: ? | December 14, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Goff,

Leave Cary and hit Durham for some "BULLOCK'S Barbecue." Order the family style.

Bring a group as you'll likely be eating all the fried chicken, pulled pork, fried okra, hush puppies, etc you can handle.

All polished off with sweet tea.

Posted by: delantero | December 14, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Good idea -- I'm outta here! ;-)

Posted by: Goff | December 14, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"My question, does anyone else have an issue with this threatening the integrity of the college game? International players are nothing new and many of the best players in the States look abroad to turn pro, but NCAA soccer is not ruled by money like Division I football so why should it sacrifice reason and fairness in the same manner?"

Why not go further and eliminate all out-of-state players from playing at a state college? OK, I'm being sarcastic.

Integrity, reason, and fairness were abolished from the college game years ago (not sarcastic). Winning in college soccer may not bring in millions of $, but it's job security for coaches. It's not like they're bringing in Veron or Shevchenko (sarcastic again), it's more like NCAA hockey teams using older Canadians.

(I forgot where I was. Is the possession arrow pointing to sarcastic or not sarcastic?)

Anyway, does it undermine the developmental opportunities for American freshmen, or does it help them by training and playing with more experienced, "worldly" teammates? And, if we're being purists about college sports, is it the NCAA's responsibility to be the developmental league for MLS, EPL etc.? (OK, not EPL, maybe a Scandinavian league). If soccer player is an acceptable profession, then colleges should offer majors in soccerology or socceromics (sarcastic again).

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | December 14, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

...undermines a valuable development track for American talent.

Posted by: ? | December 14, 2007 04:37 PM

Is college ball really a valuable developmental track? It seems there are plenty of other ways to go for development after high school age, such as the USL or an MLS "developmental contract." That's not to say college can't work for some - sort of like college baseball.

Posted by: Rob | December 14, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't like colleges "renting" a player for a year -- especially if it is VT.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

?, how do foreign players affect the "integrity" of the game? It's been happening on the womens side for a long time. For the women it's a step up to come here, and it works the other way round at the college level for the men, but still I see no threat to integrity.

Posted by: A Mysterian | December 14, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Did these two teams play each other this year?

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less if they are foreign -- I just hope that they are student athletes, at a college because they want a degree.

And yes, it happens in other sports -- Matt Ryan and others at BC staying for an extra semester, taking 9 hours of joke courses so that they can play.

Close shot for WF.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

College ball has some value as for developing players. Reyna and Olsen aren't dogs. Also it seems any chance to encourage, develop,and even discover, American players would be beneficial...

Posted by: CavFan | December 14, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

As long as the player is eligible to play under the current rules, I'm OK.

...Though I wish changes were made to the system.

Posted by: B.A. | December 14, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Eric Wynalda commentating???

NOOOOOOO!!!

Posted by: Glaucon | December 14, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I posted about foreign players playing in NCAA programs, blah, blah, etc.

To I-270, Exit 1- I was by no means insinuating that foreign players should be barred. Mostly the age and "come here for a year" nature of the thing bothers me. Other criticisms taken.

Posted by: ? | December 14, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Did these two teams play each other this year?

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 05:08 PM
-----------------------------------------

In an earlier thread, someone posted a link to an article that mentions a 3-3 draw between these teams in October:

http://journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1173353860232&path=!sports&s=1037645509200

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

hahaha

VT blows an easy one and skies it over the bar after Nyarko stumbled after beating the keeper to the ball

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow. You HAVE to score on that. Wow.

Posted by: Sean | December 14, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

That was Valentin w/ the miss.

22201 they just happened to bring that game up, actually...WF 9-2-2 in the series.

WF could've put one in on the corner there.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Good game so far. WF is better at building up, but VT is quickly countering w/ those guys at the top (Nyarko and the giant 6'6 guy)

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

RK- you're not biased at all are you?

Fair and balanced, right? ;-)

Posted by: CavFan | December 14, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow VT is way off-target so far.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

:)

I'll usually give VT credit, in football, since, well, they are better. But men's soccer is altogether different!

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm in my office and I can't get the Internet audio link to work. Has anyone else had more success? The play-by-play by people sitting in front of the tube (or who are in the stadium) is greatly appreciated.

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Danger flick by Nyarko...he's involved on every play up top.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Tracy -- impressive so far -- with an individual effort and solid shot. He had a good cross a few moments before.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Did ESPN really just go to a commercial in the middle of the game???

Posted by: Andrew | December 14, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

TV timeout? are you kidding me? gay.

Posted by: mb | December 14, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

A commercial?

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Whaddaya think this is, MLS? College soccer's a whole different animal. :-)

Posted by: Juan-John | December 14, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

NCAA final four they take TV time outs; same on womens side. Price of exposure I guess.

Posted by: WNT fan | December 14, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

ESPN did a feature on the Dynamo wearing VT jersies and then auctioning them off for charity. No mention of DC doing the exact same thing...

Posted by: Chico | December 14, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Tracy is killing it right now.

Posted by: Tarheels | December 14, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I've only been watching from about the 28th minute.

Tracy looks good, as do Wake's outside backs. VT has more success attacking down the middle. VT also plays though midfield more than most NCAA teams (which is to say, they play through midfield at all). That miss by Edmans was Albright-esque.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | December 14, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Chico, I couldn't believe that either. How could ESPN not know that? Add that to the commerical in the middle of the first half and this is really making me mad.

Posted by: andrew | December 14, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I mean its only a couple of internationals on the VT squad. The American players on the team have said it has helped with their development, so I have no problem with these players.

Posted by: Rick | December 14, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Not a bad half from Wake, but Valentin had his worst defending effort of the year.

Let's get an early goal in the 2nd.

Posted by: Tom | December 14, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The whole "champions of the league" reference to Houston further aggrevated me. Only in your mixed up, Americanized, distorted interpretation of truth are Houston champions of the league, BSPN.

Posted by: Glaucon | December 14, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe someone was actually sticking up for the ringers at Virginia Tech and elsewhere.

It's not a question of foreigners vs. Americans, it's a question of a level playing field. The guy at UVa played for a pro team; if an American did that, even in the Mexican 4th division, he would never have gotten clearance to play. And freshmen who are older than US seniors? It's a joke.

Posted by: franz goffka | December 14, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"Only in your mixed up, Americanized, distorted interpretation of truth are Houston champions of the league, BSPN"

Oh you mean the rules that govern the league? jackass....

Posted by: josh | December 14, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Goal unmarked Tracy, header, off of a direct kick near the right corner.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the rule that's right next to "grandfathered players will eventually have to give up their grandfathered status."

Posted by: Glaucon | December 14, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Nice obstruction/pick on the goal...

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

VT starting to give up more shots...

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

VT corner off of a deflection that could've gone...

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

VT great opp but a weak shot easily taken by the keeper.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

WF player w/ a great stepover, but then dove in the box for a yellow.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Valentin at DC....

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Valentin or Tracy (he scored a header).

Posted by: Glaucon | December 14, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

No, definitely Tracy :)

Posted by: Glaucon | December 14, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Tracy buries another one WF up 2-0. 7 min left.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Nice goal scored right now...by #9, started and finished the play

Posted by: Rene | December 14, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

For VT, that pouty expression on Nyarko's face isn't a good sign.

Posted by: franz goffka | December 14, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

WF has really focused on Nyarko this half and shut him down.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

NO PK?!?!?!? Edwards was pulled back on that...kept from the ball...

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Absolute class performance from Tracy.

Posted by: noptov52 | December 14, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Direct kick for VT on the 20.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

You can tell that Nyarko is just spent at this point.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

VT off the crossbar on a looping header!

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, VT a bit unlucky not to draw within one.

Posted by: noptov52 | December 14, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

WF 2-0 on Tracy's 2 goals.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

great game by both sides. tech looked as good as anyone i've seen the deacs play this year. we dominated possession (as we normally do) but every time the hokies got the ball it seemed as if they were going to have a good scoring chance. tracey showed his skill and athleticism (him and our keeper edwards can dunk with ease). i'm getting pumped for sunday...i might make a stop in cary on my ride home from school!

Posted by: akdeac31 | December 14, 2007 7:45 PM | Report abuse

akdeac31: You should check to make sure tickets are still available. Here is the link provided at the NCAA site:

http://www.gopack.com/fls/9200/menscollegecup/?KEY=&DB_OEM_ID=9200&DB_LA

Goff: Do you have information on whether tickets are still available for Sunday?

The Internet broadcast of the late game (UMass-OSU) just started. They mentioned that there is an area outside the stadium where one might be able to get a glimpse of what is going on inside.

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

thanks 22201. it seems like the reserved seating is all sold out but i'm assuming if we went we could get in either a) buying tickets from vt fans/whoever loses the second game, or b) general admission tickets might still be available. i'll definitely give them a call though...thanks again.

Posted by: akdeac31 | December 14, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

"The Internet broadcast of the late game (UMass-OSU)"


Where???

Posted by: andy | December 14, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Check the links I posted near the top of this thread (at 4:09 p.m.).

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with DC looking at Tracy(WF). Thats what I said when he headed that ball because we need a good second finisher.

Posted by: Crimson | December 14, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Tech STUNK.

They had a couple chances, missed an absolute SITTER, but other than that all they did was spend the entire game kicking long balls straight to Wake Forest.

WFU was clearly the better team, regardless of whether Tech had a game plan, which apparently they didn't.

Posted by: Ron | December 14, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This UMass vs. Ohio St (all Columbus teams should lose, btw) looks like when United plays an EPL side - one team is like 5'6", the other is 6'2" :-)

Posted by: Lonnie | December 14, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

What are your thoughts on this view of the supporters groups?

http://kcwizards.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Maxwell | December 14, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

ron - the deacs just have an unbelievable system. coach v is a great recruiter, but a lot of top notch recruits have sat the bench because they haven't bought in to his system. a lot of teams have come out with good gameplans but this year we've been hard to stop (something like 61 goals for and 13 against coming into this game). i know its "my team" or whatever but it looks like this is going to be our year.

Posted by: akdeac31 | December 14, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

It has just come to my attention that Ohio State has a freshman named Konrad Warzycha on its roster. Do you think he just might be related to a certain retired MLS player (and current assistant coach)?

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

That's what Wynalda was saying.

I was very impressed by UMass' walk-on keeper, Simmons.

Posted by: seahawkdad | December 14, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I didn't have the benefit of seeing the BSPNU telecast (which is why I didn't know what Wynalda did or didn't say), although I will try to catch the delayed broadcast on BSPN2 tomorrow night. For those of you who did get to see it, how do you think Ohio State will stack up against WF (apart from the latter's home-field advantage)?

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Wake Forest for a fine performance. By college soccer standards, they're clearly quite a special group. Hopefully, both they and the Buckeyes have enough left in the tank to put on a good show Sunday.

Posted by: franz goffka | December 14, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

akdeac21 - you guys do have a great system, and you have a lot of fast, smart, and skilled players playing that system. dont mean to gush, but wow, WFU reduced my hokies to playing 3rd-grade kickball out there for vast stretches of the match. about 15 minutes into the match, I said to my sons who were watching with me that all tech was doing was kicking it to WF, and despite the chance early on tech was probably going to lose. My guess is you guys need to make soom room on the bus home for a certain trophy...

Posted by: Ron | December 15, 2007 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: HummerSport | December 15, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

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