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Veron Update

Greetings from North Carolina. The flight was fine, thanks for asking.

Upon arrival, the cell phone was buzzing with messages. Here's the latest:

All those breathless reports you read last night and this morning that Veron had signed and was going to be introduced at RFK Wednesday? How shall I put it.....Dead Wrong. Y'all should know better than trust what you read on that Internet machine ;-) Anyone reading/listening to what was coming out of Estudiantes the last few days could have seen this coming.

There does remain a slim possibility a deal could be reached, but as of early this afternoon, it ain't happening. Let's see what unfolds.

Back later......

By Steve Goff  |  December 14, 2007; 1:30 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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whoa, 'ain't happening' as in 'not likely to be introduced Wed.' or as in 'not looking good for him signing'?

Posted by: Matt | December 14, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Since he's on TV saying he ain't coming, I'm guessing a deal that may be reached is him coming in June. Forget it. I'd love to see United go into the CCC with a full roster once. Seems we're in a similar spot as to what we were last year for the CCC.

Posted by: darn | December 14, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link to an interview with Veron from earlier today in which he states that he is staying with Estudiantes.

http://www.tycsports.com/programa.php?id=16

Unless that's someone else's voice, it seems to be a done deal that he is NOT coming.

This really blows.

Quedate Christian, por favor!

Posted by: NadamsDC | December 14, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

As of this afternoon...

He had not signed.
He will not be at RFK Wednesday.

Not looking good in the long term either.

We'll see...

Posted by: Goff | December 14, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

No go. Sorry boys. He ain't coming...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/soccer/12/14/veron.united/index.html

I wonder what D.C.'s Plan B is?

Posted by: Dominghosa | December 14, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! AAAARRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!

Posted by: Matte | December 14, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

All hail Goff. Patience is a virtue and in journalism, it is imperative. So that makes two major football media outlets with egg on their face in the span of six months. Remember Foxsports.com reporting that Jurgen Klinsmann had signed on as US manager?

Anyway, DC United are better off without him. Perhaps they will sign someone else in Argentina.

Posted by: bristol | December 14, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Last year's offseason was so much better than this one...

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Flight? I guess the I-95 v I-85 debate on the last thread seems really silly now. On to more important questions: National, Dulles, or BWI?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | December 14, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I say that United should make a move for Thierry Henry or Shevchenko, since both have stated that they would like to move to the US.

Posted by: DC United Fan | December 14, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hearing it from him, it's clear that Veron sees himself in the twilight of his career. I'm happy this didn't go through.

Posted by: Logan Circle | December 14, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I am very disappointed, I was really looking forward to Veron joining us. But on the flip side, I rather we have no Veron at all than some guys posing to be Veron for some cash. Oh well, ce la vie. Now let's see what the FO has up their sleeves as the backup plan. You always have to have a backup plan, right?

Posted by: Kosh | December 14, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If Kasper won't, I'll call Marco this weekend and ask him about Arce.

Posted by: Chico | December 14, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I still say that $4M/year figure is just crazy for a guy who'd be 33 in March and won't sell many tickets on his own.

For $4M/year, you could get a seriously talented player in his 20s with no attitude and no baggage.

Veron would need a skycap for his.

And if you want a veteran, last I heard, "Loco" Abreu was still available, I'd bet MUCH cheaper than $4M/year, and would give you an instant aerial presence. And he's a starter for Uruguay. Not bad.

Posted by: Shmenge | December 14, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

the most frustrating thing about this is now we have to put up with all the posts saying 'just give all that DP money to Gomez', like the fact that Veron is not coming turns Gomez into a million dollar player, or that we should just split up that $3mil and get 5 new quality players, with no regards to the cap.

Posted by: pat | December 14, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Why do you guys believe the $4 million figure is accurate?

Posted by: Goff | December 14, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

How much would Riqulme cost?

Posted by: James | December 14, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Goff,

Can you tell us what United actually offered him, then?

Posted by: Matt | December 14, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that CNN/SI now says that Veron is "Backing Out" - hmmm, maybe because they were just wrong earlier today about him "Joining MLS"? Stellar reporting there!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/soccer/12/13/veron.mls/index.html

Thanks for the truth Steve

Posted by: Kev | December 14, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I have mixed feelings. Veron MIGHT have been a star, but given his age and history of injury I'm not sure he was the best choice for a DP.

Posted by: Terp | December 14, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Memo to SI: Attempt to Scoop the Insider at your own peril.

Posted by: EdTheRed | December 14, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Would somebody at the DC Front Office get Shevchenko on the phone already?

Posted by: Kenobi | December 14, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Riquelme already has a deal to play for Boca -- but FIFA wouldn't allow to play in the Club WC.

Posted by: RK | December 14, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So...what now?

Posted by: Mike | December 14, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"we should just split up that $3mil and get 5 new quality players"

I agree with Pat. Look at the successful MLS teams and how many DPs they have among them (DC, Houston, NE, Chivas = 0). Let's get players that want to play and pay them a fair wage. I can't imagine that a $4M player would not affect the morale of the other 10 players on the pitch. Are they really contributing 10X more?

The only reason to spend $4M is to raise ticket and paraphernalia sales to make a profit. Outside of Beckham, I don't think many americans have heard of the other DPs. Much less Veron.

Posted by: ML | December 14, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Is there any young Bolivian talent out there? Do we still have that connection with Tahuichi academy?

Posted by: Dave | December 14, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

ML - sorry, you misunderstood, I was saying that people are going to say that we should split the $3mil or however much it was supposed to be, but it doesn't work that way.

DC is pretty near the cap as it is, so you're really only talking about splitting the $400 of DP salary that counts towards the cap among a couple players.

it's really not comparable at all.

Posted by: pat | December 14, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

er that should be "$400k of DP salary"

Posted by: pat | December 14, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: same old .... | December 14, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

True ML, but a well scouted DP can make a difference. Look at Blanco and Schelotto. They pretty much turned Chicago's and Columbus's seasons around. If Blanco had been there from the beginning of the season they may have given us a run for the SS.

You have to sign a DP according to your teams needs and not on name alone. (Except for Beckham because frankly, the Gals needed everything)

Posted by: Chico | December 14, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Chico, Schelotto was not a DP.

Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Well, considering SI was wrong about the signing in the first place, it's detail about $4M/year is probably wrong, too.

I knew it had to be. It was just too crazy otherwise.

But to be fair, even Ole qouted a total deal at 3 Years/$10M, which was close to that.

Now--3 Years/$4M might be more like it.

Posted by: Shmenge | December 14, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Oops, you're right. My bad...

Posted by: Chico | December 14, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

So, the deal is probably dead. Did we turn around and give Gomez the 2nd guaranteed year? Do we have someone else in our sights?

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | December 14, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Gee, the Grinch is a bit early.

Posted by: Kire | December 14, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Not a surprise at all. There would be absolutely no reason for him to leave Estudiantes before Libertadores has ended this year, and I'm surprised that the talk about Veron has focused on this offseason, as opposed to next summer. If DCU wants him, they should have no problems bringing him after Libertadores has ended, as he will have nothing left to play for in Estudiantes and have terminated his contract, and will be looking for a final payday...

Posted by: Nick | December 14, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Veron has now twice turned his back on United. Forget him, and move on.

Posted by: DC United Fan | December 14, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Ruy Swaps Botafogo For D.C. United Botafogo's right-back hero Ruy ... The Fluminense player has agreed terms with MLS outfit D.C. United."


This is nonsensical reporting. Botafogo is a different club than Fluminense. They hate each other. Perhaps Goal.com should get their facts straight instead of mickey-mouse reporting. My cousin who lives in Rio and played for Botafogo youth team has never heard of Ruy.

Posted by: bristol | December 14, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree DC United Fan. Once a player has pulled this sort of stunt with a team, the team cannot come back again with an offer.

While I understand and respect Veron's decision, DCU would lose lots of face if it were to offer Veron another deal after he is done with Estudiantes.

There is no rule that we have to have a DP. But lets get some talent. and not talent looking for a final payday and a cushy job.

Posted by: bribri | December 14, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the sentiments that DC should just give up on this Veron bidness... Fool me once, shame on you fool me twice, shame on me, and all that.

So here's the deal: DC has a knack for going down south and getting what they need out of that market. Veron was a bit of a boondoggle, but I'm sure we have other guys in the book who can make an impact for us this year at a cheaper price. They won't grab the headlines like Veron, but they'll make an impact just like, Gomez. and L. Emillio have done. (We also might be able to keep Gomito now...)

Posted by: DJC | December 14, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree...It is time to move on. Letting him get older and more banged up is certainly not going to make me want him more.
Chico, get Marco on the phone and conference Kasper in ;-)

Posted by: jgildea | December 14, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Is there any young Bolivian talent out there? Do we still have that connection with Tahuichi academy?

Posted by: Dave | December 14, 2007 02:43 PM
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Yes! Juan Carlos Arce, Corinthians didn't exercise their option to buy him since they dropped into the lower division. He also said he dosen't want to go back to play in Bolivia, DC should jump on this.

some highligts from Corinthians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjg8T9qM4Ng

Posted by: Springfield | December 14, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Sign. Shevchenko. Now.

Posted by: Garret | December 14, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"DCU would lose lots of face"

To whom? And why would it matter-- the salary cap and low revenue mean the MLS has to basically settle for crumbs.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | December 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

in all fairness, goal.com wasn't the only one to jump on a Ruy story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/02/AR2007010201246.html

i doubt shevchenko is going to leave chelsea for dc, especially with some playing time coming

Posted by: matt | December 14, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Just watched that YouTube video. You guys are impressed by an attacker whose highlight reel consists of like 7 goals and 20 near misses? We could do the same for Guy Kpene (minus the goals part). On the other hand, he looked pretty good out on the wing.

Posted by: Glaucon | December 14, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

This is a sign, Veron is not going to work out and Shevchenko's wife wants to live in the US again. SIGN HIM NOW!

Posted by: shevchenko to DC now! | December 14, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Shevchenko has a veryyyyyy low chance of staying at Chelsea. He has already complained about his lack of playing time, and he is definitely on his way out. He wants to play in good ol' US and A and New York and LA and Chicago all have their DPs so what other big market is there? DC United, that's who.

Posted by: Garret | December 14, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking what I'm seeing with Arce...

Posted by: Taylor | December 14, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Shevchenko is not coming to DC...plus he's not a player that we need right now. He would not pair with Emilio well. We need a player who can run at people with speed and become a playmaker for Luci to finish off of. Shevchenko and Luci play the same style...back to the goal...laying off balls and curling towards net. Wouldn't fair well alongside one another.

Posted by: ds | December 14, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Is there any young Bolivian talent out there? Do we still have that connection with Tahuichi academy?

Posted by: Dave | December 14, 2007 02:43 PM
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Paul Gardner wrote a piece for Soccer America that basically says that MLS (apparently the connection was with the league, not just DCU) dropped the ball in this area:

http://www.tahuichi.com/pdf/media_sa_0710.pdf

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Juan Carlos Arce, Corinthians didn't exercise their option to buy him since they dropped into the lower division. He also said he dosen't want to go back to play in Bolivia, DC should jump on this.

*************************************

Corinthians basically dropped their entire 1st team...I'd be down there like a vulture...

Posted by: Matt | December 14, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Somebody call Kahn. QUICK! DC just traded the rights to Gomez, Olsen, & Wells as well as the right to even speak to Veron's agent to Chicago for Jim Curtin's sister which they promptly traded back to Chicago for future considerations.

Man, Chicago sure is smoothe.

Posted by: Smith | December 14, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

shevchenko is not coming to dc. he might not stay at chelsea, though with drogba hurt/african nations cup he has a shot at getting more playing time. also, he said he wants to come to the US in 3 or 4 years. He can probably play any where he wants in Europe right now, i doubt he respects US football enough to give up a top flight team in Europe.

Also I agree with ds. schevchenko isnt the player DC needs right now. Assuming Jaime sticks it out another year, does DC need another forward? I think strengthening our back line would be more prudent. Emilio can score goals, either we need another play maker to get him the ball or we need someone to team up with vanney and namoff to keep pressure off wells.

Posted by: matt | December 14, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Soccer America just sent out a daily newsletter for its subscribers that included the earlier SI (as in Sports Illustrated, not Soccer Insider) report that Veron was coming. It was sent out at 3:51 p.m. EST, long after SI backed off from its earlier report. Yet another media source that got wrongfooted, eh?

Posted by: 22201 | December 14, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Sign Pele now!

Posted by: DCAustinite | December 14, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Goff, so now that the Veron deal is dead, long live the Veron deal, any other South American prospects out there that DCU has put back on its front burner?

Posted by: Juan-John | December 14, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey DC fans,

Look you guys went and won the SS last year without a DP. The 2 teams in the MLS Cup did not have a DP. You were able to sign Fred and Emilio without using a DP slot. So that being said why not go out and get 4-5 quality players with the money you would have spent on Veron and make the whole of your team better not just one part.

My team signed Blanco using a DP slot and while he certainly helped turn our season around last year he was not the only reason why we got better. It was the addition of Conde and getting players back from injury that got us into the playoffs. Blanco may have filled the seats but the other guys were the reason we made it into the playoffs.

I will say that adding a talent like Blanco did have a residual effect of forcing everyone else to pickup their game and match his intensity but there are players out there like Schelotto, Conde, Fred, and Emilio who can have a much bigger impact then a DP alone.

PS - can we poach your coach??? Damn Red Bulls, always out to get our guy.

Posted by: Gilly73 | December 14, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Dumbass, you can't spend all the money that would be spent on 1 DP on several players.
Not having a DP means you aren't allocating $400k for one player to the cap. Nothing more, nothing less.

I say use the DP for either a true #10, speedy striker, or solid winger. As well as I think Veron would have worked with United, he'd also have complicated matters in the center of the midfield.

Posted by: AlecW81 | December 14, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

One more reason for stupid MLS to change it's schedule so it aligns with the rest of the world.

Posted by: Figures as much | December 14, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Arze seems like a good fit for dc united, lets get him..

Posted by: koolcaio | December 14, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I say that United should make a move for Thierry Henry or Shevchenko, since both have stated that they would like to move to the US.

Posted by: DC United Fan | December 14, 2007 02:05 PM
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Henry won't ever play for DC. He specifically dropped LA and NY as places he loves and mentioned Jordan as a huge influence so Chicago would be a darkhorse. Plus to get him this year would cost you guys a fortune.

Sheva is probably staying put now that Drogs is injured though he's more realistic.

@Posted by: Figures as much | December 14, 2007 06:46 PM

someone better tell Scandanavia and to an extent Argentina that as well. Neither one plays the 'European calendar'. If MLS started a month earlier and finished a month later and took June off, we'd have the same exact sked as Argentina

Posted by: papa bear | December 14, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I preach to everyone that Montenegro from Independiente would be a perfect fit. He is a faster, better Gomez and fits the mold. I'm not sure why MLS teams haven't gone after hime, bc his price tag could not be too high. As for the Corinthians comments, Corinthians got relegated for a reason. The talent and the attitudes were not very good. Arce is not the answer in MLS, he would be a not as good Demarcus Beasley, and Beasley was not really a dominant player in the league anyways. When Vaca didn't really pan out and left the league unable to get pt and went back to Bolivia and was the league MVP and national team star, I think that really cooled off MLS towards Bolivian talent. I like Bolivia, but I don't see much for us to pick from there right now...

Posted by: Nick | December 14, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I've always felt that Veron wasn't the right player... in MLS, I think the right positions for a DP are (in order) Striker, Attacking Midfielder, Central Defender. My understanding was that Veron would be mostly a holding midfielder (or a less-attacking midfielder than Gomez) and it's not the right spot given the quality available at lower prices.

Posted by: RB | December 14, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

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