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Maryland Unites for Soccer

Maryland authorities continue to explore the possibility of facilitating a stadium for D.C. United in Prince George's County. Read the story and discuss.

By Steve Goff  |  January 23, 2008; 3:34 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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First!

Posted by: Beans | January 23, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Glad they'll eventually get their stadium, sad that it'll be outside of DC. I believe that in time Adrian Fenty will be viewed as a mayor who let a great opportunity pass him by.

Posted by: CACuzcatlan | January 23, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

I also like to hear about them taking public transit into account when considering stadium locations.

Posted by: CACuzcatlan | January 23, 2008 4:16 AM | Report abuse

6-9 months just for the study, but there's nothing like the prospect of losing something that you weren't sure you wanted to make you start chasing after it. District, your response please?

Posted by: Postmaster | January 23, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

3.34 AM... Goff is ever vigilant, awake at all hours of the morning to keep us up to date!!

Posted by: Steve | January 23, 2008 7:02 AM | Report abuse

You know I can't complain to much if it moves to Greenbelt/CP. My first choice is to stay in DC, but that 20 minute trip to the stadium does sound enticing.

Posted by: strago | January 23, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

First choice - in DC near metro stop

Second choice - Alexandria, Virginia

Posted by: 12th man | January 23, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Stay in D.C.!!! Build an urban, London-style stadium within the city and you'd average 25-30,000 the first season. It would be the only urban stadium and one of a kind in MLS.
It'd be good for the city and club alike.

Posted by: delantero | January 23, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

""the step concerned Vincent C. Gray, chairman of the D.C. Council, who noted the team's success and potential for financial growth.

"I continue to believe that we should work with D.C. United to construct the stadium in Poplar Point," Gray (D) said. ""

WELL THEN, let's get to it!!!!

Posted by: Mr. Chairman? | January 23, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

At least Prince George's has some forward thinking representatives . . . are you listening Fenty?

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"It's important to note the stadium will be a significant regional draw, bringing all new tax dollars to Prince George's County and our state," Johnson said.

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Re: FedEx field's economic impact. Anyone know the impact of United's stadium?

A 1997 report estimated that the football stadium, then known as Jack Kent Cooke Stadium, would generate $6 million in taxes a year: $2 million in property taxes and nearly $4 million in admission and sales taxes.

In fiscal 2006, the county received $10 million, including more than $8 million in admission and amusement taxes, from the stadium, now FedEx Field.

Posted by: Build it and the will Come | January 23, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Sleep is for the weak. Goff knows this.

Posted by: Mike | January 23, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm breaking my vow of silence on the stadium issue but I will say that if PG wants us lets go. Time is running out at RFK. MAYBE we have three years left there. Poplar Point is way off into the future. Fenty's feet dragging has made PP almost impossible to build on in a timely manner. The City Council might be too late on this. Where were they all along?

Posted by: Chico | January 23, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

It sounds like MacFarlane is playing both sides to get this thing going.

On the Poplar Point side it sounds like he has some good connections with the proposed developers and now if that breaks down he has the MD option.

However I have a feeling the Nats will be moving into their 2nd or 3rd stadium by the time DC United breaks ground on their first. Even KC is getting it done faster and they don't have fans.

Posted by: Southeasterner | January 23, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Look - obviously a stadium in the suburbs will be controversial and potentially hurt the team in the near-term. However, to control the revenue streams is all that's important anyway.

Glad to see that the MD interest is spurring some action in DC.

I still don't like Maryland.

Posted by: UVA-United | January 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

United is finally doing what they should have done 5 years ago. Now DC needs to step up or lose the team.

Posted by: MLS Fan | January 23, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

If PG got $10 million in 2006 revenue from Fed Ex -- and let's just say DC could get the same from a SSS that was less than half the size but used more often -- how long would it take DC to recoup a $350 million government investment in infrastructure?

Posted by: WNT fan | January 23, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

WNT: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Posted by: Terp | January 23, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

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Stay in D.C.!!! Build an urban, London-style stadium within the city and you'd average 25-30,000 the first season. It would be the only urban stadium and one of a kind in MLS.
It'd be good for the city and club alike.
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Agreed, accept for the "one of a kind in MLS" comment.

Look at Toronto for an urban MLS stadium. It was a huge success in their first season in 2007. Let's hope United and DC can still make something happen for a stadium in Ward 8.

Posted by: The growth of MLS, in cities | January 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure 99% of United fans want the stadium built in DC but if it's not going to happen there's no reason to keep harping on it. I live in Fairfax. If it gets built in PG I'll still go. And then I'll have ZERO reason to ever go back to the District and spend my hard earned bucks there.

Posted by: Chico | January 23, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Goff,

From you on this topic, I was hoping for (and expecting) more

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's

Posted by: Just wonderin' | January 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

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I'm pretty sure 99% of United fans want the stadium built in DC but if it's not going to happen there's no reason to keep harping on it.

Posted by: Chico | January 23, 2008 09:01 AM
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There's a lot of mystery surrounding that "if."

Who knows what DC has (or doesn't have up its sleeve).

I think the majority of people just want to know what DC can/will do (and when they will -- or decide not to -- do it).

United erred by being "bad negotiators" and saying DC was far and away their first/preferred option. When Fenty openned up the Poplar Point development bidding, United has still hung around.

If that Maryland study help United and MacFarlane push their interests in and ability to have a stadium in Ward 8 with the selected developer, that's the best scenario.

But people just want to know what is going to happen, and they want to see it start happening.

It's a shame they aren't bringing back the north side stands at RFK in the mean time. Thanks Nationals and DCSEC.

Posted by: Poplar Point best option | January 23, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Delantero: "only urban stadium "

Haw. Harrison NJ can only be described as urban. Certainly it's as urban as any part of the District: very dense mixed development, street parking only, heavily reliant on mass transit. And Exhibition Place is also basically urban, though unlike Harrison, where the RBP development is surrounded by the urban environment of Harrison Township and the Ironbound, BMO is situated basically in an urban park with Lake Ontario on one side.

I think the Maryland thing sounds like a great solution in what is promising to be a very difficult environment. The economy is probably already in recession, tax revenues are falling, and it will be VERY difficult to get much government investment in any stadium project (including enormous requests for "infrastructure" development from a government). Good luck.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't see how United "erred" by saying they wanted to stay in the District. That's a foregone conclusion. Like I posted earlier, time is running out on this. PG wants United, DC's still trying to figure out what they want. It doesn't suit United's needs to sit around and wait for Fenty to pull his head out of his....

Posted by: Chico | January 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

DC may not have a choice.

Having said that, it is not smart to leave DC. They've thrived from the start, at least fan wise, because of their urban environment, as well as the hispanic population.

I think next year there will be more tickets sold at RFK than last year.

Fenty is not on my nice list. He's clearly showing a double standard for sport, essentially ignoring soccer because he thinks he can.

Posted by: iagofart | January 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Mayor Fenty has lost my business for the District. I will not spend one dime in that city unless it is to go to United games. If they move out of the city, I'm gone for good. He can win me back by correcting his mistakes and allowing United to do what they rightfully deserve to do....build their own stadium within city limits.

Posted by: lawrenceterp | January 23, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Terp:

"How does it feel to be an as*hole, Neidermeyer?"

Posted by: WNT fan | January 23, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

A stadium in DC is the ideal. A stadium in the suburbs may be a necessary compromise. No new stadium is not a option for DC United.

The team cannot make money renting RFK Stadium, especially if the DC government ends up demolishing it. If DC United cannot reach a deal with the DC government, it must build its stadium outside of the city. Even with some loss of support from across the Potomac, a stadium in the suburbs would be the only way for DC United to make a profit and remain as our MLS team.

Posted by: ho | January 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Asking DC, typically the only economy in the country that doesn't suffer from turns in the nations economic fortunes, to fund infrastructure for a stadium in a massive development they will do with or without the stadium is not out of line. They are going to spend the money regardless.

Posted by: UVA-United | January 23, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

WNT and Terp: Save your venemous-but-humourous retorts for someone who deserves them... say, Mastodan Juan.

No offense, MJ. Just sayin'...

Posted by: Joe Doc | January 23, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what the results of that survey the club invited people to take with respect to a new stadium location showed. I think putting it in PG will probably lose some number of people from Vienna/Fairfax, but it may gain people from the Maryland east-side burbs.

I'll still go if it ends up in MD, but probably not to every match depending on how easy/hard it is to get there.

But they really need to get this done. We were promised a new stadium for 2007. Now it looks like it will be at least 2010.

Posted by: Glenn | January 23, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Will they have go-go bands perform at halftime?

Posted by: Hoost | January 23, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

"Johnson wants the team to build a stadium near the Metro stations in New Carrollton or Greenbelt, where it could anchor a mixed-used development."

This may be the most telling statement. McFarland is ostensibly out of the running as a principal developer in Poplar Point. Prince George's Co may give him the opportunity that he really wants. I would prefer the District as well, because it's better for all fans, thus better for the team. But making money is better than not making money (quoting Adam Smith).

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | January 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

There's a Metro station in Vienna and Dunn Loring. I think that people not going from Virginia is going to be smaller than people think.

If you have a beautiful stadium with all the amenities and surrounding bars and restaurants it will draw. Add a winning team and the attendance will remain and probably grow.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | January 23, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I didn't say anything negative. I pointed out that there actually is one urban stadium in MLS, and a second one is under construction. And I also expressed hope that a Maryland stadium can be built in an economic downturn, when tax revenues tend to drop.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

WPS news -- haters skip this post

a couple more Antonucci interviews (WPS)

they're looking for 5,000 per game, which I believe is what Mr. Goff suggested was reasonable; article says WUSA breakeven was 7000

"We're going to have to get creative with some of these players," Antonucci said. "Their compensation and the quality of play they're experiencing in the Swedish league, we're going to have to be competitive and creative to bring them over." Mr. Goff (aka Mr. Salary Dope): Any idea what the US and Brazilian players make in Sweden and Germany?

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/not-exactly-in-the-footsteps-of-the-wusa/

http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20080122&content_id=136187&vkey=news_mls

Posted by: WNT fan | January 23, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Haw. Harrison NJ can only be described as urban.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 09:11 AM

Smokin' that crack again, Jersey boy? What exit is Harrison? LOL! LOL! It's in Jersey. It's not New York. It's not New York City. Someday, MLS will expand and have a team in NYC, 'till then it's the SUBURBS of Jersey where the Pink Donkeys will reside. Enjoy! Oh, and remember, 4-2 with 10 men. Looked like we had 13, that's how much we own you.

Posted by: What Exit? | January 23, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Harrison Township has a density of 11,811 people per square mile. It's one of the most densely populated localities in the country. That's triple the density of DC considered as a whole. Anacostia, the site of the failed Poplar Point proposal, has a population density of 5,020 people per square mile.

Population density is the greatest indicator of rural/suburban/urban. If you don't think Harrison is urban, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

harrison isn't urban, but it's not the suburbs either. it's more like 'industrial wasteland'.

Posted by: pat | January 23, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

my guess is they're going after the Baltimore crowd with the PG county proposal. They figure the increase in attendance from Baltimore and its 'burbs will make up for and maybe exceed the fans lost from VA.

This may have been covered before, but whats wrong with the RFK site? DC not willing to sell it? The remediation costs?

Posted by: tax dollars at work | January 23, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

All I know is that even under the best of circumstances, DC United won't be in their own stadium until at least the 2010 season.

That is UNSAT.

Posted by: Giant Robot | January 23, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time to say something positive in behalf of Fenty.

I feel a lot safer getting beat up by a DC cop than by a PG County cop...

Posted by: garbaggio | January 23, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe it's time to say something positive in behalf of Fenty.

I feel a lot safer getting beat up by a DC cop than by a PG County cop..."

Posted by: garbaggio | January 23, 2008 11:01 AM

Funniest thing I've read in months!

Posted by: DCUInWheaton | January 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Havn't stopped laughing yet...

Posted by: DCUInWheaton | January 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"harrison isn't urban, but it's not the suburbs either. it's more like 'industrial wasteland'."

The stadium site IS industrial wasteland, a thirty-five acre pocket of old factories and warehouses in a bend of the Passaic River. To the north of the site is the rest of Harrison, a square mile of old tenaments and shabby wooden row houses, then Kearny. To the west of the site, across the river, is downtown Newark. To the south of the site, again across the river, is the Ironbound/Down Neck/East Ward part of Newark, a working-class, mostly Portugueuse, and very urban neighborhood. To the east of the site is the river, but across the river and to the northeast are railway tracks, loading docks, warehouses, etc., associated with the Port of Newark-- the kind of industrial wasteland stuff you see in a working port district of any major city.

The Harrison project (Harrison Metrocenter) is mixed-use urban infill, with offices, apartments, and retail shops. The stadium structure will front Sixth Street, with dense urban infill immediately across the street.

I'm sure you are already aware of the fact that Harrison is part of the urban fabric of Newark: you're just so jealous that you lie to have something to complain about.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If DC fails to put a stadium at Poplar Point, then in my mind the next best solution is one in the close-in VA Suburbs (Arlington/Alexandria). PG already has FedEx and the county's traffic infrastructure & plans there absolutely suck. Why give them a soccer stadium to screw up as well?
There's still space at Potomac Yards - Metro/Parking/Beltway access - any takers?

Posted by: Miss the Mark | January 23, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

BTW the federal government recognizes Harrison as part of the "New York--Newark, NY--NJ--CT URBANized Area" (emphasis mine).

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Because VA hasn't said a peep about, probably don't want it and it'll take another 10 years to just get turned down again.

PG County is actively courting United and is putting money where their mouths are. What's so difficult to understand about that?

Posted by: chico | January 23, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

As a dc resident, I'd prefer a stadium here. That said, let's get something built already...but near a Metro!

Posted by: jj | January 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This may have been covered before, but whats wrong with the RFK site? DC not willing to sell it? The remediation costs?

Posted by: tax dollars at work | January 23, 2008 10:35 AM
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This has been covered before, but it this an opportune time to go over it again. The District (and the National Park Service, too, presumably) probably wants to reserve the RFK site for the eventual return of the Deadskins. A new SSS could conceivably be built somewhere on the periphery of the site, so long as it can be done without compromising the ability to build a stadium of FedEx proportions on the center of the site. This may effectively require that a complete plan for a two-stadium complex be drawn up in advance, even if they only plan to build the smaller of the two facilities (the SSS) in the near future.

Posted by: 22201 | January 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

22201, you also failed to mention that if a stadium gets built on the RFK site it'll fall under DCSEC rule and United will find themselves in the same non-profit scenario they're in now. No way MacFarlane goes for that.

Posted by: Chico | January 23, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

There's still space at Potomac Yards - Metro/Parking/Beltway access - any takers?

Posted by: Miss the Mark | January 23, 2008 11:33 AM
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This idea has been discussed before on this blog. So far as anyone can tell, there are already plans in place to fill just about every acre of that site with residential/office/retail/whatever projects. Even if there weren't, that land is likely more expensive than land in College Park or Greenbelt or New Carrollton, precisely because of its close-in location.

Posted by: 22201 | January 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If they put the stadium in the open land in Greenbelt by 495 and 295. That would be a great location. Easy for VA and DC residents to get too. Plus, still on a metro stop. Plus, it also brings into play the growing $$$ in Howard County and Baltimore residents will come out to more matches.

Posted by: bmorefan | January 23, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Thank you Kevin for this D.C. United jersey and congratulations on your terrific season," Fenty said. "It is great to see over 20,000 fans here at RFK supporting D.C. United. It is my hope that your fans will soon be coming to your brand new soccer stadium at Poplar Point in Anacostia. World class fans, and a world class team like D.C. United, deserve a world class stadium. And I am going to make it a priority to help you build that stadium. Thank you -- congratulations and good luck to the Black-and-Red!"

-Adrian Fenty on Oct 29 2006 (right before a mayoral elction mind you)

link to full article: http://www.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20061031&content_id=77524&vkey=news_dcu&fext=.jsp&team=t103

Posted by: "Nature Boy" Rick Flair | January 23, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"I am going to make it a priority" > "I promise"

Sorry you got suckered. From that poll the other day, it doesn't sound like many of Fenty's actuall consituents are bothered by the stadium moving way down his priority list.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

BTW the federal government recognizes Harrison as part of the "New York--Newark, NY--NJ--CT URBANized Area" (emphasis mine).

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 11:34 AM
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Juan, are you employed for the census bureau, HUD, the EPA, or OPM? Do you even know why the gov't designates localities and urban areas?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | January 23, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Mastodon, you're probably right. Most DC citizens probably aren't bothered by it. I wonder how many of them think DC United wants the city to pay for the stadium and how many never even saw the initial MacFarlane plan?

Posted by: Chico | January 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

From that poll the other day, it doesn't sound like many of Fenty's actuall consituents are bothered by the stadium moving way down his priority list.
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1. Functional illiteracy rate in DC 36%.

2. Tens of millions in tax money stolen under our noses.

3. 4 students shot in a broad daylight drive-by walking home from their public high school yesterday.
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1000. Vic is mad at me for not raising nundreds of millions in public money for his ball park.

1001. The soccer poets are mad at me.

Posted by: Worthless | January 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Chico, probably a lot don't know the details.

But I don't think Fenty was entirely unjustified at balking at over $200 million in taxpayer subsidies in an uncertain economy, especially when he already has staked a lot on his school control and has to deal with funding that. Education is a MUCH more important issue to District folks than a soccer stadium, but it means nearly nothing to the largely suburban fan base of DCU.

I hear a lot of people here talking about how the District has to spend all that infrastructure money has to be spent on Poplar Point anyway. No, not true: nothing has to be built there right now.

So please lighten up with the frequent posting of Fenty's "promise." It was never a "promise," circumstances have changed and priorities changed to reflect them. All the whining makes DCU fans look like they don't care a whit for the serious problems Fenty must address.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

1002...I screw over the residents of Ward 8. Who the hell do they think they are?

Posted by: Rambo | January 23, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

1002...I screw over the residents of Ward 8. Who the hell do they think they are?

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Well, at least the residents of Greenbelt or College Park are not going to demand "equity" in a stadium there. Do the residents of Ward 8 and the Mayor-For-Life think that is helping their cause? Are we getting to close to politics and too far from soccer here?

Posted by: Worthless | January 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Rambo,

Don't confuse Barry's interests with those of Ward 8. I don't love Fenty, but he continued the Williams initiatives: Ward 8 has received a huge amount of money to save its only hospital, subsidies have allowed development of a Giant supermarket in the ward (there hasn't been a place to buy groceries, other than those awful bullet-proof-glassed tiny neighborhood stores, in the whole ward), and the school control MIGHT bring a chance of improvement to students at the worst performing schools in the district.

Whereas Barry is playing old-style hardball politics that have preserved his power and have tended to allow his associates to skim off the top.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

MacFarlane's plan for Poplar Point was much more than just a soccer stadium. It was office space, retail outlets, bars restaurants, a hotel attached to the stadium and most important...low income housing for the residents of Ward 8. There was also a deal to to employ those residents with fulltime jobs.

Initial reports had MacFarlane's end out of pocket closer to $1 billion. If you add up all of those factors it's a positive revenue generator for the city.

In the mean time Fenty's deputy chief of staff quits citing Fenty's ego over the PP project, reports come out that he has personal issues with MacFarlnae and the City Council is never consulted in any of this. Do you think it's because Fenty has the District's best interests at heart? It's because he doesn't want Marion Barry and Victor MacFarlane to seem like the saviors of the downtrodden people of Ward 8. He'll just hang them out to dry for a few more years. No problem, they're used to it.

Posted by: Chico | January 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Boooo Fenty, Boooo! I guess that is what you get when the mayor is in the pocket of the mean greenies. By funding a study, PG Co. has now done more than DC. Vincent Gray could not care one bit about this - he only wants to see his name quoted in the paper. If DC wanted DCU to stay, ground would have broken by now.

Posted by: pete | January 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

But I don't think Fenty was entirely unjustified at balking at over $200 million in taxpayer subsidies in an uncertain economy, especially when he already has staked a lot on his school control and has to deal with funding that. Education is a MUCH more important issue to District folks than a soccer stadium, but it means nearly nothing to the largely suburban fan base of DCU.

I hear a lot of people here talking about how the District has to spend all that infrastructure money has to be spent on Poplar Point anyway. No, not true: nothing has to be built there right now.

So please lighten up with the frequent posting of Fenty's "promise." It was never a "promise," circumstances have changed and priorities changed to reflect them. All the whining makes DCU fans look like they don't care a whit for the serious problems Fenty must address.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | January 23, 2008 12:43 PM

You're the idiot that keeps on giving. Everything you write is baseless. Largely suburban fan base? Nothing has to be built at PP? Have you read the legislation. Can you read? The land swap is the Feds way of saying, yes, your city is largely Federal and you need to increase your tax base.

Posted by: Read. Learn. Post. | January 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Angry dude . . . . do you have any data that would suggest that the fan base is not predominantly from outside the borders of DC? Do you have any facts to support that DC needs to spend $350 million for infrastructure no matter what they choose to develop at PP? Do you have any information that would suggest that Macfarlane's original proposal was better off for DC residents than any of the current 3 bids? You may not agree with MJ but his posts don't strike me as baseless or idiotic . . . . yours of 1:21 on the other hand . . . . .

Posted by: Worthless | January 23, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

While I'm very much pro-Poplar Point, some thoughts on PG County...

"I also like to hear about them taking public transit into account when considering stadium locations."

Posted by: CACuzcatlan | January 23, 2008 04:16 AM

Let's say that a spot in New Carollton gets picked for the development proposal. Then the stadium is potentially walking distance to Metro (Orange), (an expanded) MARC, Amtrak and one day (2014?) the Purple Line Light Rail and Bus system. Those are great public transport links. In addition to the proximity to 495/95, 295 & 50.

"my guess is they're going after the Baltimore crowd with the PG county proposal. They figure the increase in attendance from Baltimore and its 'burbs will make up for and maybe exceed the fans lost from VA."

Posted by: tax dollars at work | January 23, 2008 10:35 AM

While New Carollton would be nicer for Baltimore, it's not as if that's a big priority for the state, county or United. And New Carollton is 15 minutes/8 miles past RFK for Virginia fans - it's not as if they're looking into Glen Burnie. I think some Virginians might not realize how close PG County is to SE/NE DC.

"PG already has FedEx and the county's traffic infrastructure & plans there absolutely suck. Why give them a soccer stadium to screw up as well?"

Posted by: Miss the Mark | January 23, 2008 11:33 AM

PG County hasn't done a thing to screw up FedEx Field, it was just a terrible idea to begin with. Too big for the area, period - with terrible public transportation convenience. A United stadium would have 1/5th the capacity, lowering the traffic congestion and MUCH better public transport - further reducing the traffic strain. FedEx Field is a one off calamity that should be blamed on no one but Jack Kent Cooke. He picked the spot, and it's not within a mile of a Metro station.

Posted by: Kev | January 23, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Truly- where do the majority of the season ticket holders live? If Fenty can't (or won't) keep the team in DC, this should be a consideration. Additionally, which youth soccer clubs are consistently bringing in teams? As time goes on, holding onto today's kids and making them into an adult, committed fan base will be vital in bringing MLS into the limelight on a national level (instead of it being an afterthought to the media even during the season like it is now). The team should certainly be looking at these fans as they ponder their (limited?) options for a new SSS.

Posted by: scrfan | January 23, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

My educated GUESS as a season holder is that you'd find a pretty even distribution of holders across DC, MD and VA, no jurisdiction would be a majority.

I also would GUESS that MSI from Montgomery County sends the most kids, because they have 15,000 kids playing from rec up through premier, and they send "sportsmanship" winners (lots of teams, in both fall and spring) to games as a prize. But whether more kids come from MontCo than Fairfax, who knows. Fairfax has no similar county-wide structure that I know of.

Maybe angry dude knows. Maybe it's in "the legislation." What's the frequency Kenneth?

Posted by: Worthless | January 24, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

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