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Poplar Point, or Poplar Pointless?

The latest on our favorite saga.

By Steve Goff  |  February 14, 2008; 1:47 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Posted by: SG is Right | February 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

If this is a Poll, then I vote for pointless.

Poplar Point = 0
Pointless = 1

Posted by: GoldenChild | February 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I'm just too much of a polyanna here, but I think that in the elaboration it actually looks better.

I'm not sold on the $190 figure being final for the bonds, actually unlikely in the end. Fenty also talked about United having an equity stake and that any proposed deal would be a public private partnership which should sound better to all those objectors who said that they didn't want to be renting a city owned stadium again in the previous thread.

Also note that while the total bill for infrastructure is listed in the range that the original proposal from MacFarlane used, the way Nakamura worded it it seems that Clark is picking up part of the bill and the city the other part.

Over all this could work out after its been talked out. And Barry is still pushing and seems to believe that it will end with a Poplar Point stadium.

Posted by: bluemeanies | February 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Has there been any movement on a more realistic expectation, like jersey sponsorship?

Posted by: Section 130 | February 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

With crap like this, sometimes I wonder why I even bother with this blog.....

By the way, Happy Valentine's Day y'all!


Posted by: Goff | February 14, 2008 01:54 PM

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Dang, cheer up Goff. You know 99.9% of us love the blog and respect and admire you for putting your hardwork into it. Your blog is the best source of soccer-related info on the entire interweb, bar none.

Don't let one cranky-old windbag get ya down 'ol boy.

Posted by: Maynard James Keenan, Danny Carey, Adam Jones, & Justin Chancellor (the boys from Tool) | February 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

re: jersey sponsor

No.

Posted by: Goff | February 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Re-posted from first PP post:

"Fenty thought MacFarlane's plan, which required $350 million in public subsidies for infrastructure, was too expensive for the city."
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OK, somebody bring me up to speed on this. I thought it was $250 million in public subsidies. When did it increase by $100 million?

Posted by: Juan-John | February 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Because for every jerk that posts here there are hundreds more that appreciate the lengths you go to in order to provide the Insider Nation with accurate and timely information! Happy St. Val's Day!

Posted by: Beltwayrob | February 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I want to believe:

Posted by: ****Maynard James Keenan, Danny Carey, Adam Jones, & Justin Chancellor (the boys from Tool)**** | February 14, 2008 02:12 PM

Posted by: iammrben | February 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

At least they're talking, thats news in and of itself. Outside of that I think we deserve the "Internet Nuts" tag we've been assigned. How long has this saga been going on? And people still moan and whine. Speculation and misinformation run rampant. Grow up people and remember...Reading is FUNdamental.

Posted by: Chico | February 14, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse


With crap like this, sometimes I wonder why I even bother with this blog.....

By the way, Happy Valentine's Day y'all!

Posted by: Goff | February 14, 2008 01:54 PM

and everyone please raise a glass in celebration of St. Valentine's Day, I say!

PS: don't let the bastards get you down, Goff.

Posted by: Al Capone | February 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The frustrating part of this whole Poplar Point stadium news is that we knew:

1) Whichever developer was selected, the stadium was going to a central talking point;

2) Regardless of who builds a stadium at Poplar Point, before construction can begin, several large projects (designing a detailed project plan, moving the helicopter landing pad, environmental clean-up, infrastructure, bridge repairs, etc.) have to take place (and finish) before construction can begin; and

3) A stadium would not be available for approximately 2 years after construction.

I suppose initially, had McFarlane been the developer responsible for Poplar Point, the investment would have been worth it. But if it's just for the stadium, does the delay outweigh the benefits?

In the end, the thing that sucks the most is that it's taken so long to get to this point, that we've got our hopes up so high that there is no way for us (the fans) to like the final outcome.

Posted by: TCompton | February 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Fenty: "The baseball deal was completely one-sided."

Fenty: "The District has been collecting $20 million a year in excess revenue from city taxes related to the financing of the baseball stadium."

Sounds like the deal was two-sided, in favor of DC and the Nationals, with the tab picked up by the business taxpayers, who are apparently also leaving Fenty with a $20 million per year gratuity.

Posted by: Confused | February 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If DCU gets their stadium at Poplar Point will they demolish RFK? And if they are going to demolish RFK, why not just knock it down now and put up a new SSS on the same site?

Posted by: Fuego Fanatico | February 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if we mess up your blog, Steven.

I've been moved out of DC. Vamos United and Good-bye all.

Posted by: UVA-United | February 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: You're the best, Steve! | February 14, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I've been moved out of DC. Vamos United and Good-bye all.

Posted by: UVA-United | February 14, 2008 02:40 PM
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Best wishes. Keep in touch on Soccer Insider.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | February 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I just hope DC still pursues any other options in Maryland they might have.

Let's face it, this is still a ong way off no matter what, with a lot of battles still to be fought.

It could also be great maneuvering by Fenty, so he can say to Ward 8 - Look, I tried - when McF and company walk because the deal isn't worth it to them.

I work in the big business acquisition world. Talking billions. This, with politics and the inevitable public/media bashing, in a town like DC, still makes this a longshot.

Work towards your other options guys. You have to.

Posted by: TK | February 14, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"And if they are going to demolish RFK, why not just knock it down now and put up a new SSS on the same site?"

Because then they could demolish RFK and build a new Redskins stadium on the site.

Posted by: noptov52 | February 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

If DCU gets their stadium at Poplar Point will they demolish RFK? And if they are going to demolish RFK, why not just knock it down now and put up a new SSS on the same site?

Posted by: Fuego Fanatico | February 14, 2008 02:38 PM
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The demolition of RFK in the not too distant future is inevitable. However, none of us should want to see it happen before a new SSS is in operation, wherever that might be, because there aren't any really good options for a temporary home for DCU while a new SSS is being built.

Further, District officials still hold out hope of luring the Deadskins back to the District, so they will want to retain the option of building a stadium of FedEx proportions on the RFK site. An SSS on that site would have to be somewhere on the periphery, so that a pointyball stadium can be built roughly where RFK now stands.

Posted by: 22201 | February 14, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Bluemeanies,

I see your point. The one thing this correction seems to lay out is that all four parties (Mayor, Council, Team, Clark) are indeed in talks. It doesn't look like Fenty's just going out and throwing up an offer he has no idea if the other parties will accept.

Posted by: S | February 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Chin-up Goff. Your head and shoulders above the rest. I'd give an arm and a leg to keep your blog open! You wear your heart on your sleeve. You have a leg up on the competion. You're the apple of our eyes. You're music to our ears and all the complainers are a pain in the arse!

Posted by: boda united | February 14, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Goff -
Cheer up mate. The only people giving you a hard time are the ones who wish they had the brains (and guts) to carve out a niche in the soccer journalism world the way you have. For all the Foehrs and Vecseys around, there is only one Goff. Nobody does it better.
:-)

Posted by: MtP | February 14, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

this case is just an example of how the sudden explosion of blogs as undermined the general public's understanding of what journalism is. It is hard for some people to differentiate between a newspaper blog (one that is follows the rules and ethos of journalism) and personal blogs who are free to dish out whatever rumors and idle chatter he or she types out in a minute or two.

anyways, I love RFK. I hope DC United stays there for as long as possible. If they re-built the north section of the stands (or found them wherever they were moved to) the stadium would be even better.

let me quote Joe Strummer:

And so now I'd like to say, people can change anything they want to. And that means everything in the world. People are running about, following their little tracks; I am one of them. But we've all gotta stop just following our own little mouse trail.

People can do anything. This is something that I'm beginning to learn. People are out there doing bad things to each other; it's because they're being dehumanized. It's time to take the humanity back into the centre of the ring and follow that for a time. Greed, it ain't going anywhere, they should have that in a big billboard across Times Square.

Without people you're nothing. That's my spiel.

Posted by: diego r. | February 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

What's great about the Soccer Insider is that so many of the sites I use to visit, just refer me back to the Insider or to one of SG's articles. In fact I think that's how I found out about the Insider to begin with, and subsquently stopped going to the other sites.

The Soccer Insider is my first and last stop for DC United, MLS, US, and other soccer news.

Plus, Insider Nation generally avoids a lot of the really stupid comments that tend to polute other big soccer-related websites. ;)

Posted by: TCompton | February 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Well put, Boda.

In the interest of improving our favorite reporter's morale, can we please no longer say such things as, "do you have any updates on X?" Mr. Goff has proven very consistent in his efforts to inform us in a timely matter of all things DC United, MLS, and US Soccer.

If you want to know something about the premier league (which isn't thoroughly covered here) then fine, ask a question. But I haven't seen once where someone's asked "any updates on our DP status" and he responds, "yeah, actually. I was thinking of telling you all tomorrow, but now that you bring it up, Shevchenko's coming to Uniteed." Mr. Goff's ire toward these questions is evident, so let's use some better blog etiquette here, please.

Posted by: Glaucon | February 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I want to believe:

Posted by: ****Maynard James Keenan, Danny Carey, Adam Jones, & Justin Chancellor (the boys from Tool)**** | February 14, 2008 02:12 PM

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I want to believe as well.

Mr Goff all of us here in California salute you. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: quakes fan | February 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Who here thinks that Fenty will sell out the residents of the district once a push for the Redskins begins?

I meant other than me?

Posted by: Hoost | February 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"do you have any updates on X?"

Posted by: Xene Cervenka | February 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"Don't let one cranky-old windbag get ya down 'ol boy.

Posted by: Maynard James Keenan, Danny Carey, Adam Jones, & Justin Chancellor (the boys from Tool) | February 14, 2008 02:12 PM"

Tool, eh? When I get done making DC fans cry, your polyrhythmic metalcore asses are next.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | February 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

This article doesn't tell us anything we didn't already know months ago...DON'T EXPECT PUBLIC FINANCING.

Wasn't that always the plan? How does this change anything?

Posted by: BK | February 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I am wrong but it seems that fenty will use pulic money to build the stadium, however it will need for United to put some moeny into the deal as well. Since United and Fenty have not yet reached an agreement on how much or perhaps talks have not started yet then he is saying that no deal is finalized. This all makes sense. Although talks could end, it looks like this deal will go through. The only way I see for this not going through is if UNITED does not agree to pay such and such money for the stadium.

Posted by: dcfan | February 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Poplar Point: 0
Pointless: 0

It's a catenaccio derby.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | February 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I translated that forever-posting stadium quote into German and then back to English, using babelfish and then some translation2.paralink deal.

"Thanks Kevin for this D.C.United Jersey and congratulations on theirs terrific season, " said Fenty. " it is big to see here more than 20,000 ventilating fans in RFK which D.C.United supports. It is my hope that your ventilating fans will soon come to your brand new football stage in the poplar point to Anacostia. World category Ventilating fans and a world category Team like D.C.United, earn a world category Stage. And I will let it a priority you help, these--"

Unfortunately the paralink free service is character-limited.

Goff, I hope this makes it all worthwhile.

Posted by: gringo | February 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let's not give up. It seems like Fenty generally supports the idea, just doesn't want to get caught up in a bunch of political crazyness. Maybe by 2020 we'll have our stadium (or have moved to New Mexico, take your choice).

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