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United Falls to U-23s

Jozy Altidore scores in the first half and Charlie Davies in the second half as the U.S. under-23s defeat D.C. United, 2-0, in a scrimmage in Bradenton.

United's starters: Carvallo; Namoff, Martinez, Peralta, Burch; Mediate (right), Simms, Gallardo, McTavish (left); Moreno, Niell. The entire lineup was replaced at the half.

Olsen still rehabbing his ankles. Emilio has arrived after visa delays but did not play. Fred is expected in the coming days.

DCU-Toronto on Tuesday.

On a side note, former DCU midfielder Bryan Arguez, who did not appear in any MLS league matches last year, made his Bundesliga debut today by playing the final 27 minutes of Hertha Berlin's 3-0 home loss to Eintracht Frankfurt.

By Steve Goff  |  February 2, 2008; 12:23 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

Commence overblown fear mongering...

Posted by: noptov52 | February 2, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Goff,

When did the U23s score their goals? And who was our second half line-up?

Also, have you heard anything new regarding Gomez? Word is that we are getting a DP slot for two years and some draft picks in exchange for his rights.

Posted by: Jason | February 2, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Intresting. We have ALOT of work to do, If we can't beat the u23 how are we going to win the champions league, mls cup ect.

Posted by: LUIS | February 2, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

lot of chemistry issues will work themselves out over the course of pre-season.

i prefer to look at this more as an indication that our u-23s are nasty.

Posted by: cool out | February 2, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Intresting. We have ALOT of work to do, If we can't beat the u23 how are we going to win the champions league, mls cup ect.

Posted by: LUIS | February 2, 2008 12:39 PM
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WOW, don't jump off a bridge just yet. U23's have been together for about one month? DCU, five days with several new players who've never played together. relax.

Posted by: Donkeyking | February 2, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Repeat after me: It's a scrimmage. DCU just started camp, U-23 fitness is vastly superior at this point. The result does not matter. No Emilio, no Fred, no Olsen. Relax.

Check DCU's Web site for further details.

I've told ya everything I know.

Posted by: Goff | February 2, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

this is a good thing as United can focus on where something went wrong and needs progress.

Posted by: td | February 2, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

FIRE SOEHN!! BENCH GALLARDO! BEG GOMEZ TO RETURN! ALL IS LOST! REFUSE TO PLAY SUPERLIGA! DON'T WAIT TO PANIC UNTIL IT IS TOO LATE!

Posted by: the sky is falling | February 2, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

WE'RE DOOMED !!! :-)

The only thing that is disheartening is letting the Jersey-boy score on us, hope someone went and told the new goalie how unacceptable that is from now on.

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date Mr. Goff.

Hey, are you perhaps related to the cute traffic Goff on Channel 9?

Posted by: Lonnie | February 2, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's rethink.

The U-23's are blessed with just about every young american player we wish we had on our team. Including two very talented strikers who scored on us, and should hopefully score on any other team they play against.

Disappointed? Sure. Far from scared, though. Columbus would have been blown away.

Posted by: krumich | February 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey, are you perhaps related to the cute traffic Goff on Channel 9?

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LOL! No relation.

Posted by: Goff | February 2, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Arguez play? How did he look out there? I don't know what to make of a kid who didn't make an MLS appearance for a whole season, but then goes to Germany and cracks a 1st team appearance in less then 2wks. At least we were smart enough to transfer him and get some $ out of him.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Two comments: 1) the flanks are thin indeed, if McTavish is starting out there in a pinch; 2) I might need a new facebook to follow the strangers on DC's bench this season.

Scoring Summary:
U.S. - Jozy Altidore (Stuart Holden, Arturo Alvarez) 9
U.S. - Charlie Davies 80

DCU Lineup:
Jose Carvallo (James Thorpe 45); Bryan Namoff (Tony Schmitz 45), Gonzalo Martinez (Jeff Carroll 45), Marc Burch (Brandon Owens 45), Domenic Mediate (Grady Renfrow 45), Clyde Simms (Dan Stratford 45), Marcelo Gallardo (Justin Moose 45), Devon McTavish (Ryan Cordeiro 45); Jaime Moreno (Ardalan Attar 45, Guy-Roland Kpene 73), Franco Niell (Jerson Monteiro 45)

Posted by: ws | February 2, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Are you related to the not cute Columbia University Stephen Goff?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | February 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Arguez play? How did he look out there? I don't know what to make of a kid who didn't make an MLS appearance for a whole season, but then goes to Germany and cracks a 1st team appearance in less then 2wks. At least we were smart enough to transfer him and get some $ out of him.
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And he says to MLS and United screw you. Look what I am capable of?

Posted by: td | February 2, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

45 days to the first home match!

Posted by: Curious | February 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know what to make of a kid who didn't make an MLS appearance for a whole season,"

Letzes Jahre habe ich Herr Soehn nicht verstanden. Er sprecht sehr schlecht Deutsch. Hier, in Berlin, sprecht man sehr gut Deutsch. Dass is warum ich heute gespielt habe.

Posted by: Bryan Arguez. | February 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Niemand versteht Herr Soehn statt, vielleicht, seiner Frau. Trotzdem winnen wir.

Posted by: Curious | February 2, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

DC really did pick up some players in the offseason:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=87961&in_page_id=34

Posted by: speculation | February 2, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

And he says to MLS and United screw you. Look what I am capable of?

Posted by: td | February 2, 2008 01:37 PM
Arguez's turnover led to Eintracht Frankfurt's 3rd goal. He's decent, but still inexperienced at a professional level.

Posted by: Jason | February 2, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Doomed! Doomed! We're doomed. But serously, folks:

So, Carvallo gets his first taste of Jozy Altidore. Probably a pretty good education. I don't imagine there are many players in Peru with his ability. Charlie Davies is no slouch either. I guess the new look defense has some work to do. Wish we could see the goals.

Arguez? Er spricht Deutsch? Wirklich? Was wirklich passiert mit Soehn und Arguez? Inquiring Köpfe wissen wollen...

Posted by: Anonymous | February 2, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

DC really did pick up some players in the offseason.

There's an error with that story -- Becks isn't starting a school in Brazil, he's going to school. He's gotta learn Portuguese, after all, if he's playing for DCU!

;)

Posted by: rke | February 2, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

When did DC United get Beckham? I totally missed that story. Must have been over Christmas....

Posted by: Fisch Fry | February 2, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: garbaggio | February 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Niemand versteht Herr Soehn statt, vielleicht, seiner Frau. Trotzdem winnen wir.

Posted by: Curious | February 2, 2008 01:56 PM
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No-one understood Novak either and we won the whole thing. That seems to be a pattern, but then there's Ray Huidson.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | February 2, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Any word on Altidore playing for the US against Mexico?

As a United fan I hate him but as an American fan I can't wait to see him play at the top level.

Posted by: Southeasterner | February 2, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

So neill scores 3 goals against the little kids but cant do anything with the big kids mmmmmmmmmmm. i wonder how he will do playing with Men in the MlS

Posted by: 135 | February 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Volkswagen sprechen ze bratwurst juergen klinsmann ya bayern Mercedes Bens I know nuting, nuting!

Posted by: Joe Doc | February 2, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Loved the comment Joe Doc LMAO!!!

Posted by: 135 | February 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Ich bin ein Berliner" John F. Kennedy

"Mmmmmmmmm donuts." Homer J. Simpson

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | February 2, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If you're freaking out about this scrimmage when United played without more than half their starters, go back down to your basement, and ask your mom to bring down some fluffernutters for you.

Nothing matters until Jamaica.

Posted by: AlecW81 | February 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Where are the people claiming we'll score 70 goals this season?

Holy bandwagon jumping, Batman

Posted by: delantero | February 2, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Any word on Olsen and how he's doing physically?

Posted by: Dan | February 2, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Goff, can you confirm these Beckham-to-United rumors?

Posted by: Glaucon | February 2, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Looks like one goal in each half for the U23s, so that means one each against Carvallo and Thorpe.

I think more interesting than the final score is United's lineup. We shouldn't read too much into any of this, but Martinez and Peralta started at center back, and McTavish started at left wing. Obviously that's Fred's spot when he's available, but maybe United wants to give McTavish some more time there.

Also interesting is that this is the second scrimmage in a row where Jerson Monteiro received more minutes than Kpene.

Posted by: DCUMD | February 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Good Lord. Maybe we should delete my prior post before someone actually injures themself. Had I thought that anyone for even a fleeting second would believe the Beckham plays for DCU statement in a blatantly factually-challenged UK tabloid....I never would have posted it. My naivety led me to believe that a few others might chuckle at its ludicrousness like me, but man, little did I know the danger....

Posted by: speculation | February 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

i'm on vacation for the week down here in sunny Florida (god it's nice to get away from cold DC!), and was able to make it to the game. here are just a few of my observations/comments.

1. communication is going to be a problem for a while since the backline and goalie can't understand each other. in fact, all i heard was spanish just about the whole first half. at one point, Carvallo yelled at Burch to mark better, and he yelled back at him to tell Perralta that he had to mark better too. this breakdown in communication led to the first goal when the backline was scrambling to mark the right guys.
2. my biggest surprise was watching sasha kljestan control the middle the entire match. he has great ball-handling skills and distribution, and i believe we won't be seeing him in the MLS for too much longer, considering a number of other players on the U23 squad are already seeing minutes in Europe.
3. Frank O'Neill - the new irish import - is small. like, mad tiny. he looks like a 10 year old out on the field running with the big boys. but he's really quick and definitely has some ups for the headers.
4. you could see that Gallardo has great creativity with the ball in terms of passing and leading players down the pitch, but his execution and timing with other players is still a bit off. again, this will come with time.
5. i spoke with ben after the match. he's flying back to DC tomorrow to continue rehabbing his left ankle. still giving him problems.
6. after watching this match, i felt bad that DCU lost, but actually pretty excited to see such a strong U23 team that Nowak is most likely going to take to the Olympics. they're going to compete for sure.
7. DC wasn't actually competing in the 2nd half. since the entire squad was swapped out, only 3 players that started the 2nd half are actually listed on United's roster (Jeff Carroll, Justin Moose, and Jerson Monteiro). Kpene came in later as well. Soehn is trying out the new guys to see how they perform against a squad that's been together for the past month. really no worries here at all.

FINALLY - the biggest news is that Ben Olsen is soon going to be a dad! Exact date still TBD. Congrats again, Benny!

Posted by: Boss T | February 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

No wonder we lost - we only played 10 players per the below line-up (although it looks like the line-up is missing a CB spot assumedly played by Peralta).


DCU Lineup:
Jose Carvallo (James Thorpe 45); Bryan Namoff (Tony Schmitz 45), Gonzalo Martinez (Jeff Carroll 45), Marc Burch (Brandon Owens 45), Domenic Mediate (Grady Renfrow 45), Clyde Simms (Dan Stratford 45), Marcelo Gallardo (Justin Moose 45), Devon McTavish (Ryan Cordeiro 45); Jaime Moreno (Ardalan Attar 45, Guy-Roland Kpene 73), Franco Niell (Jerson Monteiro 45)

Posted by: Eric Z | February 2, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

pure speculation here - but when i got there a few minutes into the first half, Kpene was running laps and laps around the field. THEN he didn't come in until subbed in during the second half. my thought - punishment for some small infraction. again, just my theory.

Posted by: Boss T | February 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Rumor has it Kpene looked directly at Ben Olsen's beard. Such behavior is not taken lightly.

Posted by: AlecW81 | February 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MAX | February 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Speculation: You need to turn up your own sarcasm detector setting. No one thought this was anything but a stupid mistake by someone at this UK site...

Posted by: Fisch Fry | February 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Fisch Fry | February 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Always nice to see Altidore carving up the DC defense. Get used to it.

Posted by: NY | February 2, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Rosters Announced for US vs. Mexico...

http://www.ussoccer.com/articles/viewArticle.jsp_5177348.html

Adu, Freddy
Altidore, Josmer
Bocanegra, Carlos
Bradley, Michael
Clark, Ricardo
Convey, Bobby
Corrales, Ramiro
Davis, Brad
Dempsey, Clint
Donovan, Landon
Edu, Maurice
Feilhaber, Benny
Guzan, Brad
Holden, Stuart
Howard, Tim
Lewis, Eddie
Moor, Drew
Noonan, Pat
Onyewu, Oguchi
Parkhurst, Michael
Pearce, Heath
Robinson, Eddie

Posted by: Brava Rookie | February 2, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

NY -- Don't get used to it. The clock is ticking on Altidore's Red Bulls years. A few more games with the USMNT and he won't have any visa issues to worry about in England. He might go someplace with less rigid requirements, even sooner..

Posted by: Fisch Fry | February 2, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see youngsters Freddy, Jozy, Edu, and Clark looking like they'll become regulars to replace some of the aging deadwood. I know Beasley's hurt, what's up with Cherundolo? Hopefully, this will be the last cap for stiffs like Lewis, Moor, Noonan and Pearce.

Posted by: Hmmm | February 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I won't mind Jozy getting lucky and finding the back of the net once a match against us.
The Metroscum are always so gracious about allowing us to score 3-5 times per match against them.

Posted by: AlecW81 | February 2, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

What's with all the hating for Noonan? He played his best game with the Nats last time out. Just signed in Europe. He's only getting better....Cherie's had better efforts, but he'll bounce back. He's as good as we've got on the back line.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | February 2, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

So a discarded DC United scrub is already getting minutes in a country where Landon Donovan couldn't hack it...

Posted by: Joe S. | February 2, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

How come Rod Dyachenko didn't play at all in the scrimmage? Is he injured?

Posted by: pink floyd | February 2, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Cherundolo started their season and perhaps the club didn't release him since he is playing so well there.

Posted by: td | February 2, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Joe S does not know much about soccer.
My price went up 20K this afternoon. Give me a call Davey K!!!

Posted by: Greg Vanney | February 2, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Man, I'm sorry to have missed all "the sky is falling!" comments.

Can I still compare Gallardo to Lothar Matthäus? Please?

Posted by: viv | February 2, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Boss T. Someone sign him up as a stringer.

Posted by: gringo | February 2, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess we are better than Berlin.

Posted by: DC Hooligan | February 3, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Losing to the U-23s does not worry me.

Not having anyone in the U-23 or MNT camps definitely worries me.

McTavish and Burch are the only decent young US guys on the team.

DC used to always have the best young talent.

Posted by: DC Fan | February 3, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Actually we do have someone in the USMNT camps, our new goalkeeper Wells (he just isn't on the roster for mexico).

As for DC having the best young US Talent in the past... ummm no.

Posted by: AlecW81 | February 3, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

Funny how Arguez wasn't good enough to play in MLS...but he's already played in Bundesliga. Our front office and talent evaluators strike again.

Posted by: Duke | February 3, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

zing!

So a discarded DC United scrub is already getting minutes in a country where Landon Donovan couldn't hack it...

Posted by: Joe S. | February 2, 2008 06:17 PM

Posted by: Rob | February 4, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Pope, Olsen, Albright, Quaranta, Convey, Esky, Mapp, Adu....

Posted by: DC Fan | February 4, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

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