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Morning Kickaround

Lots of video to share, but first.....

*In case you missed our previous thread, El Salvador defeated Anguilla, 4-0, before more than 22,000 at Estadio RFK.

*Canada's CONCACAF Champions League qualifying has been set.

*Grim times for Gretna in Scotland.

*Ben Olsen chatted with the masses on washingtonpost.com yesterday. Click here for the transcript. An excerpt:

Arlington, VA: How often do you read Goff's Soccer Insider and/or Big Soccer?
Ben Olsen: i check it out every now and then. it's very informative and i know he spends a lot of his time on it. he does a great job for our sport unless he writes something bad about me in which case i will give his blog a virus. you hear that goff. just joking

*I did not watch the USA match too closely, but Soccer America's Ridge Mahoney did. Here are his player ratings:

Howard 6; Cherundolo 7, Bocanegra 8, Onyewu 6, Pearce 6; Dempsey 5, Clark 7, Bradley 7, Donovan 7; Johnson 4, Ching 5. Subs: DeMerit 5, Wolff 6, Lewis 7, Spector 5, Feilhaber no rating.

Okay, on to the video.....

USA-Poland:

Pato takes advantage of a Swedish gaffe:

Villa's brilliant strike in Spain's win over Italy:

Suazo leads Honduras over Colombia at Lockhart:


By Steve Goff  |  March 27, 2008; 8:27 AM ET
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Comments

The Villa strike was too much fun, and some great camera angles to enjoy from!

Thanks for the US-POL video, as I missed that yesterday. Decent result, but we GOTTA learn to finish on run-of-play attempts.

Love the Springtime, when the air smells of turf, sweat and soccer balls....

Posted by: Love it | March 27, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The CONCACAF CL is supposed to be about clubs and leagues, right? How does Toronto FC, an MLS team, get in? Is there any precedence? Does Monaco qualify for the UEFA CL while playing in the French League?

Je suis tres confused.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 27, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I'd disagree with some of the player ratings. First off, Lewis scored a brilliant goal (served an excellent corner too), but he also gave the ball away in our defensive third a handful of times: 5 at best. Clark and Bradley both 7s? I don't think so. I will give them credit for disrupting play in the midfield, as the Poles didn't mount an effective attack through the middle of the pitch all day. But they also didn't create much in the way of chances for our forwards. I'd say 5 for Bradley and 6 for Clark.

Now, at the risk of kicking off a firestorm, I continue to wonder why Feilhaber doesn't see the pitch. He's sitting for club and country. To me, he looked dangerous when he was on the pitch, that through ball he played was a quality of ball that none other in our national pool even thinks to play. Now, it was unsuccessful, but fundamentally he shines. I just don't get it. He must have a chip on his shoulder the size of Gibralter to irk his coaches so much.

Posted by: Matte | March 27, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I just don't know how we can keep sending Eddie Johnson out there in his current form (funk). Slowest fast guy I've ever seen.

That said, tremendous team effort and some great service from Donovan (finally) on those two goals from corners.

Only Heath Pearce looked a little shaky on the night but really can't be too picky about a shutout.

Posted by: TheCoreSpeaks | March 27, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Credit to Pearce(?) for keeping the ball and setting up Donovan's breakaway...

Amazing presence of mind by Pato to be able to shoot like that...

Posted by: RK | March 27, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

*In case you missed our previous thread, El Salvador defeated Anguilla, 4-0, before more than 22,000 at Estadio RFK.
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That many without any ads seen? Unlike Boring ball game ads filled with TV, Radio, and Papers. At least I have not seen and didn't even know until I read Soccer Insider that it was last night, although after that I managed to sent two El Salvadorians to the game.

Posted by: td | March 27, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

The El Salvador game was on Spanish radio non-stop since it was announced. Frankly I'm surprised it was only 22,000

Posted by: Chico | March 27, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Man, if I were the Trois-Rivières Attak, I'd be pissed!

C'mon Canada, be inclusive, not exclusive. Well, I guess we don't send our Lamar Hunt US Open Cup winner either. But a three-way round-robin? Gotta get it up to six teams or something, right?

And the whole Toronto FC being a club in the US league, is a bit disconcerting. What happens if they win MLS? Do they get two bites at the apple?

Posted by: DE | March 27, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Clubs and Leagues.

No.

Small Countries. Oui!

French Guiana, Guadeloupe and Saint-Martin will have AUTOMATIC qualifiers!

Posted by: Michel Platini | March 27, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Villa's strike was unbelievable. Perfect form.

Pato was ridiculously composed, and made something difficult look easy.

The coach from Poland has more creases on his face than a well-used Northern Virginia map.

Thanks for the clips, Steve.

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 27, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"Does Monaco qualify for the UEFA CL while playing in the French League?"
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Yes. They made the 2003-04 Final where they lost to Porto.

Posted by: andy | March 27, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I like the Canadian qualifying scenario for the Champions League. If CONCACAF excluded Toronto FC because they play in MLS, then CL qualification would come down to a home-and-away series between Montreal and Vancouver. Boring! The round-robin creates a better "Battle of Canada" feeling.

It would work even better if there were more professional clubs in Canada, but I doubt any other city could support a pro team. Well, maybe Calgary, if it's not too cold.

If Toronto "qualifies" as a result of the MLS standings, I assume that CONCACAF would give their spot to the next highest U.S. MLS team, and that Toronto would still have to qualify via the Canadian round-robin. Anyone know for certain?

Posted by: SSMD | March 27, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Also, good point andy about Monaco and the French Ligue 1. Toronto FC is the Monaco of MLS, I guess. Not a bad thing if you're talking about the Monaco team of the late '90s, or the 2003-04 team.

Posted by: SSMD | March 27, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Yes. They made the 2003-04 Final where they lost to Porto.

Posted by: andy | March 27, 2008 09:45 AM
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Thanks, but I should have used the word "automatically" in my question, i.e. does Monaco qualify by virtue of their rank in the French League or automatically by representing the Principality of Monaco?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 27, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Landon Donovan's best game ever on European soil.


Of course, you can count his good games in Europe on one hand, and can still point, or give the "V" sign, or play the trumpet.....

Posted by: Kim | March 27, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Puerto Rico Islanders of USL1 would have an argument to be included in the Caribbean qualifying process.

Posted by: cuzco03 | March 27, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

The Puerto Rico Islanders of USL1 would have an argument to be included in the Caribbean qualifying process.

Posted by: Jerry | March 27, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

the Monaco comparison doesn't work, since Monaco is not a member of FIFA (although it is a member of the IOC, so theoretically could insist on being allowed to qualify for the Olympics, not sure where, however, since they are not a member of UEFA.)

that's actually an interesting question, Goff, there are 6 countries that are members of the IOC who are not members of FIFA, or the associated regions I assume (Monaco, Tuvalu, Kiribati, Nauru, Fed. St. of Micronesia, Marshall Islands) how do they qualify, if they so wished to try? any idea?

Posted by: northzax | March 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I wish that Americans sang their anthem as proudly as they did last night at RFK... I've been to many games at RFK but the sound was incredible last night...sounded like 55,000 plus! 22,670 was official attendance, seemed like many were still outside 30 minutes past kick-off.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sMk7m1POzik&feature=user

Posted by: U.S.whooped Poland | March 27, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Thanks northzax. That clears it up the Monaco part, anyway).

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 27, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

We're too busy screaming "O" and disrespecting our anthem to make it sound like that.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Wow, we just beat one the premier European teams by a wide margin and all that I read on this thread and the matchday thread is negativity - Eddie Johnson is a terrible center attack, when will Jozy join us, we really need Rossi, Eddie Lewis is older than Strom Thurmond, we only scored on set pieces, our uniforms are hideous.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

To all you Debbie Downers, we have a good national team. They proved their worth yesterday.

It can only get better from here.

Posted by: Fly the Coop | March 27, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Monaco qualifies for the CL and UEFA Cup by virtue of their rank in the French League.

Posted by: KB | March 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

How can you forget a loaned-to-Monaco Morientes going en fuego in the CL that year? :)

Posted by: RK | March 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I hear you, Hulk. I bet the servicemen and women on the field displaying the flag cringe whenever they hear the "O."

BTW, I-270, Exit 1: loved the recycling dolphins line!

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 27, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

One of the problems with the US national anthem is a terrible piece of music. Difficult to sing no matter how low you start in the register. "This Land is Your Land" should be our national anthem.

Posted by: Woody Guthrie | March 27, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I cringe everytime I hear it. It's to the point where I stand quietly in the concourse with hand over heart at DC United games during the anthem. It ticks me off to no end.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I believe qualification to inter. club competitions is dependent on the respective FA that the club plays in.
I now this is the case with Cardiff City who are in the semifinals of the FA cup and, if they go on to win it, have been told they will not represent the FA because they are Welsh.
The Welsh FA have told them they could not represent them because they are not a part of their respective league.

I'm guessing that if TFC either win the Shield or the Cup that it would be up to the USSF if they get in the champions league or not.

Posted by: Red Devil | March 27, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Count me in as one of those fans who hate and don't understand the whole "O" thing. Why scream "O" which refers to an out of town baseball team at a soccer game? Seems moronic to me...

Posted by: DirtyHarry | March 27, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

We don't want Toronto to be like Monaco -- they almost went bankrupt. And they had Christian Vieri, who is probably as nice as Ruud van Nistleroy.

Posted by: RK | March 27, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The Puerto Rico Islanders of USL1 would have an argument to be included in the Caribbean qualifying process.

Posted by: Jerry | March 27, 2008 10:21 AM

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I'm pretty sure the Puerto Rico Islanders are eligible for the Champions League through Caribbean Qualifying. Caribbean teams qualify through the CFU Club Championship and the Islanders lost in the semis of the 2007 CFU to Joe Poblic (they tied eventual champion Harboor View in the group stage.) Check out Haitian side Baltimore SC, named for the Baltimore Colts when they were founded in 1974.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFU_Club_Championship_2007

Posted by: Anonymous | March 27, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Wow. 22K last night. Highly impressive.
El Sav gets two home games and the one here draws more fans than in San Sav. This must be one helluva story back in the home country.

I'm sure DCU had all of their spanish speaking reps there to hand out flyers. These are the markets that KP and company want to tap into.

Posted by: JMR | March 27, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Goffinho, seeing the clip of Columbia playing Honduras makes me want to ask when was the last time Gonzalo Martinez played for his national team?

Posted by: JMR | March 27, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

There is history between the Salvadoran fans and DC United that dates back to the Diaz Arce days that hasn't been forgiven by them. And it probably never will.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | March 27, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Will any of those Gretna players get MLS tryouts? We haven't heard any good Scottish accents around RFK since Jim Steele and Tommy O'Hara played for the Diplomats.

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Please stop it. The banner ad on my page is now advertising ticket sales for that sporting organization in Charm City that begins with the letter that comes after N.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 27, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

What happened between DC and the Salvadorans? It saddens me when there are issues between fans for our great club.

Posted by: Curious about Salvadorans | March 27, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

More on the PR Islanders. Apparently, the 3rd place team from the 2007 CFU will qualify for the 08-09 Champions League but no 3rd place game was played at the 07 CFU. The PR Islanders will be playing the other semifinal loser, San Juan Jabloteh, for a Champs League spot sometime in April.

Also interesting, New York Giants TE Kevin Boss' brother is a GK for the Islanders.

Posted by: Pete | March 27, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

That Spain-Italy game looks as if it was a thrill a minute!

Posted by: Fisch Fry | March 27, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

One of the problems with the US national anthem is a terrible piece of music. Difficult to sing no matter how low you start in the register. "This Land is Your Land" should be our national anthem.
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Francis Scott Key was a poet not a singer/songwriter. It is our anthem because it has history. A song from 1940 does not have much history. I will admit my eyes well up and I get chills whenever I hear it live. The "O" is a disgrace.

Posted by: peridigm | March 27, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Goff: The NYT is reporting that it is possible that Montreal will leapfrog Philly into MLS, in part because it would deal with the lopsided divisional alignment (8+7) that Seattle will create. (Of course, this would simply create pressure to find an 18th team to pair up with Philly in '10, which is just the opposite of the go-slow approach to expansion that Garber outlined the other day, so I am skeptical.) Do you know anything about this?

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/montreal-is-in-the-mls-mix/

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

We're too busy screaming "O" and disrespecting our anthem to make it sound like that.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 11:00 AM

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I hear you, Hulk. I bet the servicemen and women on the field displaying the flag cringe whenever they hear the "O."

BTW, I-270, Exit 1: loved the recycling dolphins line!

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 27, 2008 11:07 AM

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I cringe everytime I hear it. It's to the point where I stand quietly in the concourse with hand over heart at DC United games during the anthem. It ticks me off to no end.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 11:12 AM

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Count me in as one of those fans who hate and don't understand the whole "O" thing. Why scream "O" which refers to an out of town baseball team at a soccer game? Seems moronic to me...

Posted by: DirtyHarry | March 27, 2008 11:19 AM

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Count me in as one who, if he wanted to live in a country that limits free speech he'd move to Communist Russia or China. I most certainly am one that yells out 'O' at all games. Some people like it, some don't. When I was a DCU season ticket holder I would yell out the 'O' so loud from my seats in section 332. I'd have some people look at me with the evil eye and others look at me with a nod of approval. This isn't a black and white issue folks.

After moving to So-Cal last year I was at the DCU/Chivas game in Carson, CA and yelled out the 'O' and after the anthem was over this woman came over and asked if I was from Baltimore. I told her yes that I was orginally from Maryland and she told me how she was from Boston and just a few weeks earlier was at an O's/Red Sox game in B'more and heard everyone at the game yell out the 'O' and thought it was the neatest thing ever. So, the 'O' was able to bring 2 people together who rooted for other teams (Me: O's, DCU; Her: Red Sox, Chivas).

Some people like it, some don't. The great thing about this country is that we can debate this because there is enough free speech (despite George W. Bush's best efforts) where people can decide if they want to yell out 'O' or not, or anything else during the anthem.

BTW, when the anthem is finished I am usually applauding the singer louder than anyone else around me too.

Also, Here's an interesting take on the national anthem:

"Here's a civic custom that I don't understand. Maybe you can help me. Taking off your hat when a flag passes by or when some jack *$@ at the ballpark starts singing the national anthem. They tell you to take off your hat. What the f*^@ does a hat have to do with being patriotic? What possible relationship exists between the uncovered head and a feeling that ought to live in your heart? Suppose you have a red, white, and blue hat? Suppose you have a hat made out of a flag? Why would you take it off to honor the flag? Wouldn't you leave it on and point it toward the flag? And what's so bad about hats that you have to take them off? Why not take off your pants? Or your shoes? They tell you that at the airport, they say 'Take off your shoes.' They tell you it's a national security. So taking off your shoes could be patriotic too."

George Carlin, "It's Bad For Ya"
(cleaned up for this precious blog, of course)

Finally, for those who disagree with the 'O' how come no one sees you complaining about:

* Atlanta Braves fans who yell out "Braves" or "Home of the Atlanta Braves" during the National Anthem?

* Kansas City Chiefs fans who yell out "Home of the Chiefs" instead of "Home of the Braves"?

* U of Cal fans who yell out "rockets Blue glare" or "Home of the Bears"?

* Steven Tyler singing at the Indy 500 ending it by saying "Home of the Indianapolis 500"?

* U of North Dakota fans yelling out "Home of the Souix"?

* U of Oklahoma fans yelling out "Home of the Sooners"?

* NC State fans yelling out "Red Glare" and "Home of the Wolfpack"?

* Houston Rockets fans yelling out "Rockets red glare"?

* Duke fans yelling out "O" during the anthem?

* Or just fans in general who don't put down their beer, don't put down their food, are texting on their phone, etc.

Posted by: Nature Boy Ric Flair | March 27, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I had the privilege of hearing the real thing by the Folger Consort at the Folger Shakespeare Library several years ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Anacreon_in_Heaven

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I enjoyed your diatribe. Still think it's moronic and disrespectful.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Will any of those Gretna players get MLS tryouts? We haven't heard any good Scottish accents around RFK since Jim Steele and Tommy O'Hara played for the Diplomats.
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Oops! I forgot one season with Eddie Colquhoun ('81, I think).

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

@curious

Raul Diaz Arce, famous DCU striker, at around his 3rd year got "old" fast and was traded to somebody for, I think, Roy Lassiter. The DC Salvadorians protested mightily and the next season when Raul's team played at El Stadio, they filled out the section behind goal with banners flying. They booed the whole game. It was the only time that the Brava, El Norte and Eagles were drowned out. DCU, naturally won the match. However, this was is the '90s. I do believe all is forgiven now.

Posted by: A Hardwick | March 27, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I enjoyed your diatribe. Still think it's moronic and disrespectful.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 12:15 PM
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amen!

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 27, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Also how come I don't see anyone bashing DCU themselves for "disprespecting" the national anthem"??

They don't stop selling concessions at DCU games during the anthem. At any point during the National Anthem someone can walk up and buy chicken strips without the bat of an eyelash. If you're going to claim it's disrespectful to yell out anything during the anthem than it has to be just as disrespectful to try to make a buck selling concessions in the concourse during the anthem. I will conceed though that most vendors in the stands will stop what their doing and salute Ol' Glory.

I hear you, Hulk. I bet the servicemen and women on the field displaying the flag cringe whenever they hear the "O."

BTW, I-270, Exit 1: loved the recycling dolphins line!

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 27, 2008 11:07 AM

What makes this person think they can speak for all servicemen/women? I bet there are those who are proud that they have fought for free speech and hear Americans using that free speech. What abou servicemen/women from Baltimore who themselves have yelled out 'O' during the anthem before? Just like regular joe's I'm sure there are servicemen/women who are on both sides of the fence, in regards to this issue.

Posted by: Ric Flair | March 27, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Raul Diaz Arce, famous DCU striker, at around his 3rd year got "old" fast and was traded to somebody for, I think, Roy Lassiter.
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Wasn't this largely a salary cap issue? I think that the Salvadoran fans, like everyone else, have long since learned to live with the fact that this sort of thing happens in the MLS. They may have lost their beloved Diaz Arce, but hey, the Caledonian-Americans lost Harkes to Columbus for salary cap reasons, so it's not as if one group is being singled out.

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to ask if all those who are against the 'O' are also against the tv show South Park, its creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone, and also against the movie Team America: World Police which included such satiric songs as "America, *&^# Yeah" and "Freedom Isn't Free"?

You guys are against all that to right?

Please don't tell me you guys are also of the mindset that one is more patriotic if they wear a flag lapel pin on their suit too. Please don't tell me Fox News has gotten to you that much.

Posted by: Ric Flair | March 27, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't think all is forgiven. Thousands of them left and never came back. And when they did it was to root for the Galaxy and Cienfuegos. In my mind if you're only going to root for a player and not the team, it's going to be mighty difficult for United to fix that rift. They tried with Quintanilla and Cerritos. I didn't work... to the detriment of the team.

Posted by: Chico | March 27, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I enjoyed your diatribe. Still think it's moronic and disrespectful.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 12:15 PM
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Posted by: Joe Doc | March 27, 2008 12:21 PM

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Don't see you guys refuting any of the valid points that I made though.

Posted by: Nature Boy | March 27, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't think all is forgiven. Thousands of them left and never came back. And when they did it was to root for the Galaxy and Cienfuegos.
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But the ones who came back (or who never left) form the nucleus of La Norte, don't they? So maybe there's hope.

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

La Norte splintered from the Barra Brava. The guys who originally started La Norte were from Bolivia. Now there are more Salvadorans in La Norte and the Barra but not to the numbers United used to pull in 96-98.

Posted by: Chico | March 27, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I agree that this great country of ours gives you the freedom to act like an idiot. You can crap on the flag or wear stars and stripes underwear. Doesn't make it any less moronic and disrespectful.

Posted by: HulkHogan | March 27, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I'll bite:

For me, the National Anthem is a time to be thankful for the great country in which we live, and for the men and women who have fought and died so I can enjoy a Saturday evening at RFK with my family watching a soccer match, knowing I'm safe.

For me, it is not a time for me to yell anything, but to listen and be thankful, and to applaud the singer for taking the time and allowing us to enjoy her/his talent.

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 27, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Densey,Clark,Bradley and Donavan were the best in the middle field, particulary Clark and Brayley were brillant they have destroyed any offensive play, no space to the oponents,etc. Great game for NT

Posted by: OrlandoGator | March 27, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

2 Points on Anthems:

* Pleasant surprise to hear Polish fans cheer the US Anthem last night

* When I'm king, there will be no anthems routinely played before sporting events EXCEPT international competitions. IMHO it's overuse for sporting competitions cheapens the whole thing.

Posted by: JkR | March 27, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I still like the Brazilian national anthem the best of any to which I've been exposed at a footie match.

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

So you guys get as equally upset at DC United for not haulting the sale of all concessions during the Anthem too right?

Posted by: Ric Flair | March 27, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"I don't think all is forgiven. Thousands of them left and never came back. And when they did it was to root for the Galaxy and Cienfuegos."

Actually, if you look at the attendance stats hundreds of them left. However, thousands of them came "back" when RDA visited with Tampa Bay, San Jose, and the Revelosers. So where were those thousands of fans when RDA played for DC? Oh well, MLS made some money off the 3 different jerseys they had to buy.

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Ric Flair, you did not make any valid points. You simply impressed yourself with a long list of non sequitur examples. In all those cases, the fans alter the national anthem in reference to the team on the field. How does shouting "O!" at a DCU match or anywhere other than an Orioles game make sense? I suppose drawing attention to oneself makes sense if one has a low self esteem.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 27, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@Nature Boy:

There's no refuting your "points" because you didn't make an argument. Your post is just a collection of anecdotes and observations - basically to convey your opinion about screaming 'O' during the national anthem. All those other folks were doing the same, just with fewer words.

Posted by: Valid Points? Where? | March 27, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the Salvadoran fans abandoning DCU- thats a pretty stupid reason to no longer be a fan of a team...

Posted by: laur | March 27, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

awwww come on stop it with the O already stop acting patriotic non of u are patriotic!!!! its a fricking soccer ,baseball whatever game no one goes to the stadium to sing come on!!!

I personally go to watcc futbol not to sing the damn anthem so the O doesnt bother me at all!!!

Posted by: shut up | March 27, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

As a Salvadorean-American who grew up all my life in the DC area it saddened me when Diaz-Arce was traded to New England. If anyone remembers I think at the time Raul Diaz Arce and Mario Gori were facing Rape Charges from an incident in Columbus, Ohio. Most of my family and friends felt that DC traded him fearing that they would lose him mid-98 season which later the charges would be dropped due to lack of evidence. (I also heard that there was tension between the "magic triangle bolivian side[moreno,etcheverry] and Diaz Arce) Of course Payne gave the whole salary cap issue but I belive it was the intention of the league to break up the dynasty that was in the making since it was early in the leagues history. If it was a salary cap issue how do you than sign the leading goal scorer in Lassiter who also at the time was playing for the U.S. the truth is we did not cheer New England or the Galaxy when they came to RFK, my family taught me DC was where we lived and cheer for the home team. But I do believe that El Salvador is missing from United games even now. DC United has done an incredible job in becoming popular in the American community but I would say that DC's attendance would be up atleast 3,000 more people if the Diaz Arce saga did not happen....by the way he was honored last night at halftime.

Posted by: DCfansince96 | March 27, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

by the way he was honored last night at halftime. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCELqpRBs_I&eurl=http://juanelpoderoso.blogspot.com/

Posted by: DCFansince96 | March 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

by the way he was honored last night at halftime. ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCELqpRBs_I&eurl=http://juanelpoderoso.blogspot.com/

Posted by: DCFansince96 | March 27, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Spot on, 1-270, Exit 1. The U.S. Code actually stipulates very clear rules for behavior during the performance of the National Anthem, one of which being men not in military are to remove their "headgear" and hold it to their left shoulder. But I'm guessing someone quoting a George Carlin rant as the basis for their position probably doesn't hold much with these sorts of things. So how about this?

I don't complain about what happens at U Cal or North Dakota or wherever else you cited for the simple fact that I DON'T ATTEND THESE EVENTS. But when some yahoo bellows 'O' during the National Anthem at EVERY local sporting event, yeah, it does have an impact on me. Is it a freedom of speech thing? I dunno; you seem pretty cheesed off that folks can't be bothered to stop talking or texting during the anthem, but at the moment you are screaming "O', you aren't caught up in a patriotic moment. You are subverting the anthem to support your favorite baseball team. How you don't see that as disrespectful to the anthem is beyond me.

But hey, to each his own. I'm as lefty as they come, and I don't feel inclined to infringe on your freedom of expression. My personal gripe with the practice lies in the fact that for decades, the Baltimore baseball club and their toxic ownership was far and away the single biggest impediment to Washington getting a baseball team. I will never forgive Peter Angelos for his obstructionist actions and will never attend another game in Baltimore while he owns the team. Now that we do have a team (despite his best efforts to the contrary), we STILL have to contend with people making an arse of themselves during the anthem. In my experience, it's actually worse at NON-BASEBALL events too, as if the Baltimore fans are too sheepish to "express their support" at a Nats game. Give it a rest already. If you want to yell "O", buy a ticket to Camden Yards and do it at home! And now back to our regularly scheduled SOCCER blog...

Posted by: JB | March 27, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Freedom of speech is irrelevant; nobody is proposing making it illegal. Its just in bad taste and inappropriate.

Posted by: wisc ave | March 27, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure DCU had all of their spanish speaking reps there to hand out flyers. These are the markets that KP and company want to tap into.


Posted by: JMR | March 27, 2008 11:38 AM


Um, yeah. No one ever thought of that. What a genius. Rember Raul Diaz Arce? Probably not. Remember what happened when he left? Probably not. Keep thinking, you're good at it.

Posted by: See-Q | March 27, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Chicago Stadium (old one), Blackhawks games. For some reason a tradition was started where people just basically started screaming, getting louder and louder as the anthem went a long. They weren't screaming the words, just basically screaming. Talk about chilling. Very very intense. The "O" kind of co-opts the anthem in a weird way. This screaming thing, while very associated with that place and that team, didn't seem to do that.

Posted by: BestAnthemEver | March 27, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Goff,

For the updates scores on ELS, I had very bad audio signal hearing the game on 1390 Radio America.

Posted by: yo its me | March 27, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Rember Raul Diaz Arce? Probably not. Remember what happened when he left? Probably not. Keep thinking, you're good at it.

Posted by: See-Q | March 27, 2008 01:26 PM
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The Diaz Arce affair took pace 11 years ago. I'm sure there are many of us who weren't yet living in this area, and/or who hadn't yet discovered MLS and DCU, back then. Such sarcasm is uncalled for.

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Thats right, that rape thing was a stain that I am sure they wanted to distance themselves from. Too bad...

Posted by: Al | March 27, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The Diaz Arce affair took pace 11 years ago. I'm sure there are many of us who weren't yet living in this area, and/or who hadn't yet discovered MLS and DCU, back then. Such sarcasm is uncalled for.

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 01:43 PM

Know the history of the club. It's not hard to find these things out.

Posted by: Nanny Society | March 27, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Know the history of the club. It's not hard to find these things out.

Posted by: Nanny Society | March 27, 2008 01:48 PM
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So only people with a comprehensive knowledge of the history of the club should be posting to this blog?

Posted by: tri-village | March 27, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I think yelling O is stupid. I also think playing the national anthem before every sporting event is stupid.

Posted by: ff | March 27, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I am in favor of yelling "Goff" instead of "O" just once at the next game. Then we storm the TV Booth. Then the White House. Then Fox News. Then the Post. In that order. Viva la revolucion amigos! Who's with me?

BTW Goffer - not sure if you missed the MLS debut of the 30 second spot to be aired on ESPN (unveiled at United for DC Charity luncheon). A montage followed by: Football. Futbol. Soccer.

One of you with more time on your hands find the link, if there is one.

Posted by: MR Caretaker | March 27, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Before the urban myths get too far out of hand, we need to set the record straight regarding the RDA trade and the El Salvadoran community.

RDA was traded after the 1997 season. The excuse was the salary cap. The next year United lost Harkes to the salary cap. That was also the time when the league office in NY ran things as opposed to the individual teams. After the 1997 season, when folks started using the word 'dynasty', MLS wanted to have more parity.....enter the salary cap as the weapon of choice.

Basically, United need to cast off 1 of 4 players, RDA, Etcheverry, Moreno, or Harkes. They chose RDA, and the El Salvadoran fans took it personally. They would come to United games to cheer on the other team if the other team had an El Salvadoran, they would jeer and throw things at the two Bolivian players.

Over the last couple of years, especially after Cienfuegos retired, this has died down.

Posted by: No Spin | March 27, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Thats right, that rape thing was a stain that I am sure they wanted to distance themselves from. Too bad...

Posted by: Al | March 27, 2008 01:44 PM
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To the contrary, the team did not suspend RDA and Gori and publicly stood by them. The Columbus police dropped the charges because the accuser lacked credibility. She picked out two more players from a photo lineup who did not travel with the team. That's what the Post reported.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 27, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Man, if I were the Trois-Rivières Attak, I'd be pissed!

Posted by: DE | March 27, 2008 09:37 AM

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Why Trois-Rivières Attak? Sure, they won a minor cup, but Toronto Croatia won the CSL title. They should be in this series.

And yes, Puerto Rico Islanders participate in Caribbean qualifying.

Posted by: TK | March 27, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Then we storm the TV Booth. Then the White House. Then Fox News. Then the Post. In that order. Viva la revolucion amigos! Who's with me?"

I am, but let's storm the Capitol instead of the White House. It's much closer to RFK and I just don't storm as well as I used to.

Posted by: Fidel C de Havana | March 27, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think the sarcasm was intended to point out that DCU was just fine after RDA left...

Posted by: RK | March 27, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

you seem pretty cheesed off that folks can't be bothered to stop talking or texting during the anthem, but at the moment you are screaming "O', you aren't caught up in a patriotic moment. You are subverting the anthem to support your favorite baseball team. How you don't see that as disrespectful to the anthem is beyond me.

Posted by: JB | March 27, 2008 01:17 PM
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I'm not cheesed off, as you put it, I'm just citing other examples that no one on here seems to be complaining about.

I haven't seen anyone rail against DC United for not stopping all concession sales during the Anthem. One could argue that keeping the concessions open during these few minutes in hopes of making an extra buck or 2 is more disrespectful.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 27, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Why Trois-Rivières Attak? Mostly because the name is kinda funny! But my point was that there are more than three soccer clubs in Canada and yet TFC, Montreal Impact, and Vancouver Whitecaps have the fast track to the Champions League.

Posted by: DE | March 27, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The national anthem is sung in memory of all the blogosphere patriots who bravely sacrificed some of their time, and the internet bandwidth, to post their rants ad nauseam on the Soccer Insider.

O!

Posted by: garbaggio | March 27, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

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