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Morning Kickaround

With March Madness approaching, I will have to shift my work responsibilities into full college basketball mode starting today in Richmond, but of course, will try to keep you updated on the soccer front as best I can the next few days.

*The Post editorial page chimes in on the Poplar Point stadium situation.

*More huge Santino Quaranta news: He says he will wear No. 25 again when the season starts, though rookie Ryan Cordeiro has had that jersey in preseason.

*The Texas Pro Soccer Festival continues tonight with D.C. United facing Toronto and Houston playing Chivas USA.

*Look, a babbling Blatter!

*USA women facing Italy this morning at the Algarve Cup.

*The Revolution and Atlante plain don't like each other. Check out the disciplinary list from the 1-0 victory by the Mexican club in Playa del Carmen:

NE - Shalrie Joseph (caution) 26; NE - Kenny Mansally (caution) 30; NE - Khano Smith (caution) 32; NE - Jeff Larentowicz (caution) 48; NE - Chris Albright (caution) 50; NE - Wells Thompson (caution) 56; NE - Jay Heaps (caution) 62; NE - Michael Parkhurst (caution) 67; NE - Jeff Larentowicz (second caution/ejection) 81; NE - Chris Albright (second caution/ejection) 81; ATL - (ejection) 81; ATL - (caution) 83.
An Albright foul that led to his second yellow of the night ignited tensions on both teams in the 81st minute, and after a mix-up near midfield, Larentowicz and an Atlante player were both red carded. Instead of playing 10x9 for the remainder of the game, the coaches allowed an extra player on each side and finished the game 11v10 for the last nine minutes.

*The new David Beckham-Sharpie commercial can be seen here (though Becks never actually appears in the ad).

Feel free to discuss these topics or anything else taking place on Planet Futbol.

With Diego Maradona in attendance, Boca 3, Atlas 0 in Copa Libertadores:


By Steve Goff  |  March 7, 2008; 9:15 AM ET
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Comments

Interesting How NE had 10 cards before Atl had one.

Bad reffing?
The usually NE thuggery?

I'm guessing the latter.

Posted by: Rick in Ashburn | March 7, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

More slanted biased perspective from the Washington Post. Can someone, ANYONE please report the fact that DC United is willing to pay for the stadium? The residents of the District are being misinformed by this glaring omission. And DC United is being unfairly represented.

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

At halftime the USWNT lead Italy 1-0 on a goal in the seventh minute by Lindsay Tarpley assisted by Laurent Cheney.

Posted by: sitruc | March 7, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I agree...seems more like Revolution just plain don't like Atlante.

Posted by: Catherine-Lucia | March 7, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The New England Revolution a bunch of thugs? Who'da thunk it?

Posted by: ff | March 7, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Go Atlante! Kick those thugs!

Posted by: jgildea | March 7, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

More slanted biased perspective from the Washington Post. Can someone, ANYONE please report the fact that DC United is willing to pay for the stadium? The residents of the District are being misinformed by this glaring omission. And DC United is being unfairly represented.

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 09:32 AM
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Excellent point. However, you forget that newspapers are not here to actually report the truth.

Posted by: Catherine-Lucia | March 7, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Granted, but that wasn't a report it was an OpEd piece written and condoned as fact by the editorial staff of the Washington Post.

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

you forget that newspapers are not here to actually report the truth.
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Yeah, okay. (sigh)

If you have an issue with the editorial (which is written by a department separate from the newsroom), please send them an e-mail or contact the ombudsman, Deborah Howell.

Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

As a matter of fact I urge ALL DC United fans to write in to 'Letters to the Editor' or Deborah Howell, the ombudsman to get this "little" point rectified. We've had to sit thru David Nakamura's slanted reporting, Marc Fisher's adimitted bias and now the Post's editorial staff misrepresentation. It's up to us to set the record straight. They sure as hell aren't going to.

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

David Nakamura's slanted reporting, Marc Fisher's adimitted bias....

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Oh, here we go again. This is not going to end well. Nonetheless...

You are correct on the second point; you're dead wrong on the first one.

Move on. Please.


Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Marginally OT, but at the Flogging Molly show in Baltimore last weekend, the singer pointed at someone in the crowd wearing a DC jersey and gave a little shout-out to United. I forget what the words were exactly, but something along the lines of "Alright, D.C. United! How they doing?"

Posted by: edgeonyou | March 7, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Thugs? Only the Galaxy committed fewer fouls than the Revs and they were the 4th *most* fouled team!

DC, otoh, 1st in fouls committed (by a LARGE margin) and 2nd to last in fouls suffered.

Who are the "thugs"?

Posted by: rkupp | March 7, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Who are the thugs? Revolution are masters of the cheap shots after the ball is gone, that don't get called.

Posted by: ff | March 7, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Here is a link from the Revs blog describing the game that most people posting about probably did not see. Sure, it is from the Revs site, but it might be of interest.

http://revolutionsoccer.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/tonights-lineup-3/#more-67

Posted by: tsingletonvt | March 7, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

11 days to the first home match!

Posted by: Curious | March 7, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Hate to get into the stadium thing, but the District would indeed have to pay some additional infrastructure costs for a soccer stadium (or almost any major development) so don't fly off the deep end at the Post, their editorial was accurate. Where folks have a point is that while the District picked up essentially ALL of the $611 million cost for the baseball stadium, McFarlane & co would likely pick up the MAJORITY of the cost for the soccer stadium. But there is no getting around that there will be some cost to the District. This is probably balanced out by development in Ward 8, etc...but it is still a cost. A little balance & perspective goes a long way folks!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Thugs? Only the Galaxy committed fewer fouls than the Revs and they were the 4th *most* fouled team!

DC, otoh, 1st in fouls committed (by a LARGE margin) and 2nd to last in fouls suffered.

Who are the "thugs"?

Posted by: rkupp | March 7, 2008 09:50 AM
I dont mind being a gangsta.

Posted by: The Jim | March 7, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

NE - Jay Heaps (caution) 62

I'm shocked, SHOCKED! to find Jay Heaps getting a yellow card.

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 7, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm all about balance and perspective. If the Post would balance their reporting the residents of the District would have clear perspective.

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm not even going to read the editorial. The Post's editorial page (both editors and columnists) is worthless right wing hackery and incompetence. In fact, if the Post didn't have crossword puzzles and a Sports page I wouldn't bother subscribing.

Posted by: Terp | March 7, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

To Chico,

They're not reporting that DC is willing to pay for the whole stadium because it isn't true.

A) That offer is OFF THE TABLE.

B) When it was on the table, there was a significant catch--DC would have had to accept his price for the entire Poplar Point project without getting other bids.

I'm not saying MacFarlane lowballed, necessarily, but you usually get better bids from an auction than from one bidder. It would probably have been politically easier to sell "well, we'll give the land to the people who got it for us in the first place," but it's totally possible the District finances are better off this way.

And at any rate, Fenty made the decision to go the other way and as I said before the offer is OFF THE TABLE.

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On the other hand, I read this editorial a little differently than most. I read "negotiations should be made public" and shudder. The Post knows perfectly well that the only outcome of that is that people like Fisher (or dozens at other media outlets) get a better crack at demagoguing the issue before there's even a proposal to debate.

Posted by: S | March 7, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

10:07... read the editorial again:

"Mayor Adrian M. Fenty cut off talks as he wisely sought other ideas on developing the prime waterfront property. The stadium is back in the picture as an optional part of a proposed $2.5 billion, mixed-use development. Mr. Fenty, an ardent foe of the $611 million ballpark for the Nationals, has said he wouldn't support any deal in which the city picks up the full tab but is open to a public-private partnership."

The implication of this section is that DCU has been demanding full financing from the city as the Nationals did, which is patently false. The editorial writers clearly hold the view that DCU's original deal with Williams was fleecing the city. This is not "balance and perspective." Nobody here is arguing that the stadium deal poses no costs to DC. We just want derivative slander from the Nats' stadium approval process to stop.

Now, as Steven suggested, can we get back to soccer here and leave arguments about the editorial to the ombudsman?

Posted by: Grunthos | March 7, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The editorial really isn't anything to get worked up over.

Posted by: sitruc | March 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

hey curious you get me more and more nervous everyday with your countdown LOL i feel butterflies in my stomach everyday haha ................Not telling you to stop at all thanks for the reporting Curious see u at RFK 3/18

Posted by: 135 | March 7, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Match Tracker not working for the USWNT vs Italy OTOH...

Posted by: sitruc | March 7, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Thugs? Only the Galaxy committed fewer fouls than the Revs and they were the 4th *most* fouled team!

DC, otoh, 1st in fouls committed (by a LARGE margin) and 2nd to last in fouls suffered.

Who are the "thugs"?

Posted by: rkupp | March 7, 2008 09:50 AM

If you watch our games, most of our fouls are ticky tack, tactical fouls in midfield, not full on thuggery like we see with NE or LA's and now TRC's Kevin "Hacktastic" Harmsee. Fact is, NE's thuggery is part of Nicol's game plan. The idea is to hurt the other team physically and maim their best players to even out the game for NE. A sick team and a sick manager.

Posted by: NE Thuggery | March 7, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

David Nakamura's slanted reporting, Marc Fisher's adimitted bias....

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Oh, here we go again. This is not going to end well. Nonetheless...

You are correct on the second point; you're dead wrong on the first one.

Move on. Please.

Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 09:49 AM
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We're not insulting you, why are you getting so worked up over it? You don't have to stand up for the entire institution. For example, no one defends Alexi Lalas' stupid decisions (e.g. Kirk-Vanney), but that doesn't mean there aren't any Galaxy fans.

Posted by: Catherine-Lucia | March 7, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Final
USWNT 2 Italy O

Posted by: sitruc | March 7, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I know many of you are wary of the Post coverage because of the slanted rhetoric they allow Marc Fisher to print, but this was a not a particularly unfair piece about a civic decision to spend district tax money. All the author asked for was a more transparent process, and left it up to the developers, DC United, and DC's government figures to make the case for spending taxpayer money on Poplar Point and specifically a new stadium. They even point out United's success and how that plays into the overarching decision-making process. Although I think the author mischaracterized the decision as specifically subsidizing a stadium when it is actually subsidizing (through the District's obligation to pay for infrastructure costs) the entire development. Let's not kid ourselves and claim that United was willing to pay completely for the stadium ... that is just not true. Mr. MacFarlane offered to pay for the stadium, true, but in return he sought transfer of the entire Poplar Point parcel and the rights to develop that area for free (this is considered a cost to the district because this land has value) and he too wanted a large government subsidy (also in the form of infrastructure). These are not unheard of nor unfair requests and are pretty much the same deal that Clark Realty has gotten after the city's bidding process, but by creating a competitive process the city ensured that they had more control of the scope and substance of the development on that land. I am not a Fenty apologist and I think that he brokered a deal with MacFarlane and then backed out at the last minute which sets a horrible precedent for future public private business relations in the district. All told though I think that this will end up being a positive for the District and the residents, but now with the city's heavy handed involvement (and the softening real estate market) will be much slower in coming to fruition than if MacFarlane would have been given carte blanche. Vamos Untied. I want to see the boys in SSS as much as anyone but I also appreciate that DC has to make smart decisions and that this has a chance to transform and otherwise wasted plot of land and an entire under-supported community in the process.

Posted by: BigBert | March 7, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Match Tracker not working for the USWNT vs Italy OTOH...

Posted by: sitruc | March 7, 2008 10:23 AM

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Final 2:0, Tarpley early and O'Reilly late. Match tracker report sounds like the game was very physical, and also that Tobin Heath is blowing people away every time she steps on the field. Too bad I dont think we get a Troy report on this game.

Posted by: WNT fan | March 7, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

all these fouls between the Revs Vs Atlante is a good thing!

They will be playing each other again in the Superliga! now who doesn't want to watch a rematch of the thug-fest?

Posted by: Ranks | March 7, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"I'm not even going to read the editorial. The Post's editorial page (both editors and columnists) is worthless right wing hackery and incompetence. In fact, if the Post didn't have crossword puzzles and a Sports page I wouldn't bother subscribing."

Posted by: Terp | March 7, 2008 10:18 AM

***************************************

Does this mean we can't blame it on the liberal media?

On a separate note, I would greatly appreciate it if Steve "Hoops" Goff can get us the lineups (when they become available, of course) for DC United's game in Texas tonight.

Posted by: garbaggio | March 7, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The Post's editorial page (both editors and columnists) is worthless right wing hackery and incompetence. In fact, if the Post didn't have crossword puzzles and a Sports page I wouldn't bother subscribing.

Posted by: Terp | March 7, 2008 10:18 AM

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Whuh? The Post is right-wing hackery? So where do you get your news, Pravda?

Posted by: WNT fan | March 7, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious? You are using resources provided by the WPost to insult his coworkers and colleagues. You wouldn't find that insulting?

I feel like I'm listening to G Gordon Liddy. Pretty soon, people will be calling this the Washington *BLEEP* so that he doesn't say the full name.

That said, the editorial intimates that DCU is trying to get something for nothing, which is far from the truth...which is what editorials should be about.

Posted by: RK | March 7, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I would greatly appreciate it if Steve "Hoops" Goff can get us the lineups (when they become available, of course) for DC United's game in Texas tonight.
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I'm told it will be almost all reserves tonight and Sunday. DCU is not going to risk their starters so close to the Champions' Cup match Wednesday.

Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

WNT fan...I know you and are just laughing at that...wow...

Posted by: RK | March 7, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you, WNT. The Post's editorial page is always well-written, but this right winger disagrees with it 90 percent of the time. To call it "right-wing hackery" is pretty funny, actually.

Posted by: Joe Doc | March 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Goff -- you are the man. don't let any of these haters bring you down.

You keeping denunzio in line?

Posted by: steve-o | March 7, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

...Vamos Untied. I want to see the boys in SSS as much as anyone but I also appreciate that DC has to make smart decisions and that this has a chance to transform and otherwise wasted plot of land and an entire under-supported community in the process.

Posted by: BigBert | March 7, 2008 10:45 AM

Then you'll be seeing our boys in Greenbelt.

Posted by: Greenbelt United | March 7, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Boca v Atlas video. That Palacio sure has touch.

Posted by: bribri | March 7, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

""These are not unheard of nor unfair requests and are pretty much the same deal that Clark Realty has gotten after the city's bidding process""

Well then . . . that's great. Now Clark can use the money for a stadium or they will likely see a good part of their investment sink into the Anacostia.

Few people will want to cross the river to Poplar without a reason---and sorry but an Arena overlooking the water and a nice park with an environmental theme are not going to draw large numbers. Neither are shopping or Starbucks. I have those in my neighborhood already, see.

Posted by: delantero | March 7, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Brad Porter in KC is reporting the Lopez to KC deal is done.

http://kcondemand.com/Article.aspx?Id=9767&CatID=15

Posted by: downthebyline | March 7, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Whuh? The Post is right-wing hackery? So where do you get your news, Pravda?

Posted by: WNT fan | March 7, 2008 10:51 AM

The Post Editorial page fell in lock-step with the Cheney Administration over Iraq and haven't broken ranks. They never printed a retraction. Shame on them. Their Ed page is very conservative.

Posted by: Pravda | March 7, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have any idea when the Seattle franchise name and colors will be introduced? There were some rumblings last week, but they've seemed to die down a little...

Posted by: Nic | March 7, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know when Clark expects to start working at Poplar?

I rode my bike down to Poplar past the Nats stadium the other day. It's a great parcel of land. It's got fantastic views as it lies across from the Navy Yard, the Nationals stadium, and old warehouses.

However, Poplar Point is still across the river. The pedestrian walk across the bridge to the Nats stadium is hardly wide enough to walk shoulder to shoulder. It left me with the impression that Poplar Point might as well be on another planet, let alone right next to the "boom" that the baseball stadium is supposed to spark.

It's sad that the folks East of the River have yet to realize much if any economic gain from the city's growth. It's about time to bring them into the fold.

"If soccer can help transform Ward 8 and Ward 7 the way basketball helped to change downtown, city dollars would be well spent.""

Posted by: delantero | March 7, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

From the blog linked by downbytheline about the Claudio Lopez signing:

"* The Wizards are counting on Lopez, now 33 years old, to compete for the top striker position. KC plans on putting their top striker alone, up front, playing in a box, while allowing their second striker (perhaps Trujillo) to roam side-to-side, and backpedal into the midfield."

I think of him as a winger or withdrawn striker so I'm not sure he'd quite fit the target player up top role. He might still be a very good player but he's no big bruiser like Abby Wambach.

Posted by: garbaggio | March 7, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

C'mon folks we are losing sight of the real problem at the Post.

Goff is gonna do NCAA hoops and not go to Jamaica? If true this is an outrage.

Though I hear Greensboro is quite nice this time of year.

Posted by: Sean T | March 7, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Greensboro...the site of the Women's ACC Tournament.

Posted by: sitruc | March 7, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Post editorial board is entitled to offer their opinion and back it up anyway they want -- that's why it's an editorial. Rather than criticize the facts or slant of the piece, read it for what it is -- an editorial statement by the Post that it is none too keen on public money being used to assist in the construction of a stadium at Poplar Point. You can disagree with that opinion, but the editorial board has a right to it. The real significance of the editorial is that MacFarlane and Chang should speed up the development of the PG sites on which they have options. There always is a chance for a stadium in DC, but the way Poplar Point is playing out and given the byzantine nature of DC politics, a SSS within the DC boundaries is a long way off. Time for "PG United".

Posted by: griffin1108 | March 7, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

David Nakamura's slanted reporting, Marc Fisher's adimitted bias....

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Oh, here we go again. This is not going to end well. Nonetheless...

You are correct on the second point; you're dead wrong on the first one.

Move on. Please.


Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 09:49 AM

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Señor Goff, you might as well stop posting
anything about the stadium...but who doesn't love controversy? haha

Posted by: Stadium | March 7, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Maryland is moving ahead with the stadium study for PG County.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/soccer/bal-sp.msa28feb28,0,1747665.story

Posted by: WNT fan | March 7, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The Post editorial board is entitled to offer their opinion and back it up anyway they want -- that's why it's an editorial. Rather than criticize the facts or slant of the piece, read it for what it is -- an editorial statement by the Post that it is none too keen on public money being used to assist in the construction of a stadium at Poplar Point. You can disagree with that opinion, but the editorial board has a right to it....

Posted by: griffin1108 | March 7, 2008 12:45 PM

Not if they report as facts things that aren't. No one has the right to lie.

Posted by: John Barry | March 7, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey WNT fan,

I didn't go down to the Algarve today; I have to pretend to work sometimes. In hindsight, I wish I had skipped the UEFA cup match last night (which was exquisite torture) and gone to catch US-Italy instead. Ah well. When the match-tracker is working -- and I was following it today like you -- they do a pretty good job. I was glad to see O'Reilly score. She played very well on Wednesday.

One thing I found interesting is the change of tactics since the WWC. The attack is much less static; players constantly move off the ball, cycling into open spaces, and passing to players who are cutting across lanes rather than waiting at specific spots.

man...a whole day without a match to go see. I'm getting spoiled here.

Posted by: troy | March 7, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

You guys should all read Loose Lips in this week's City Paper. It talks about David Nakamura's relationship with the Fenty Administration.

Posted by: DC | March 7, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Troy -- Thanks!

I love this -- "The attack is much less static; players constantly move off the ball, cycling into open spaces, and passing to players who are cutting across lanes rather than waiting at specific spots." -- reactions -- sounds like some actual soccer is being played -- 8 of the 10 starting field players from Game 1 were on WWC roster -- the difference is obviously not the roster it is the coach -- this is how WNT will break down Brazil in China later this year.

Posted by: WNT fan | March 7, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: L.RonHoover | March 7, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Goff used to give player rankings after a game?

He's no longer in the editorial business.

It's not an easy business to be in. Not everyone will like someone else's "analysis" of a situation.

Although, it was interesting to read the Poplar Point development editorial in today's Post. Thought it was a fair and useful take on the situation.

If a stadium isn't built at Poplar Point, I'd be shocked.

Posted by: United always in DC | March 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I always thought that the Post was the mouthpiece of the left-wing liberals. I'm so happy that some of the Soccer Insider denizens have re-educated me.

Of course, these are the same denizens who do not seem to know the difference between reporter and columnist, article and editorial, fact and opinion.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 7, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

After reading that City Paper column I feel vindicated.

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Says Nakamura, "If I was trying to correct a factual thing,

Thank God for editors :) Me fail English?

Posted by: RK | March 7, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Guys, like it or not the District would have to spend a significant chunk of money on infrastructure for the stadium. It's not just about paying for the bricks. I know we like to point out that the infrastructure money would have to be spent anyway, but that's not necessarily true. Developers could pay a larger share of those costs, or the District could sit back not not build until years down the line.

The hyperventilating accusations that the Post is "lying" makes United fans look really foolish and/or incredibly selfish. The Post is right to mention the cost to the district as part of the stadium. The idea that it could be folded up under "infrastructure" was a tactical gambit that failed, and it is transparently false, just a rhetorical game that we can stop parroting now.

We want the stadium, so we need to argue on its merits, not attack anyone who raises questions. The United fans who are going nuts about this are hurting far more than they're helping. I liked the Post editorial: it's very fair about admitting that there could be a strong case for District involvement in a soccer stadium about Poplar Point. Fanatics saying "that's not good enough" are embarrassing United as a whole.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

FWIW I never accused the Post of lying. I just said that fisher, Nakamura and now the editorial staff omit the fact that United has been/ is willing to spend money on the construction. Not a little point to omit, agree?

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys read the same editorial as me? Or are we just seeking out any minor reason to pick a fight?

I actually thought it was fair and balanced. The editorial first discussed the challenges that would have to be overcome to get the stadium built ($$$). And then it discussed several VERY GOOD reasons to keep the team in DC that I think have been overlooked by Fisher (civic pride, youth programs, area revitalization), and apparently overlooked by just about every poster on here today.

Please have some perspective. Not every piece written about Poplar Point is automatically a bad piece.

Posted by: DCUMD | March 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Nakamura et al. could also have been clearer about the fact that the infrastructure cost estimates that have been tossed about almost always have pertained to the larger project, rather than the stadium per se.

Posted by: tri-village | March 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

My last post on this and then I'm done...

Picture this scenario. Joe DC resident who never heard of Victor MacFarlane or DC United for that matter reads that some soccer team wants the city to build them a stadium. With thoughts of the raping inflicted on his town by MLB, what do you think his initial thoughts will be? Maybe if his hometown newspaper reported ALL the facts without bias from an admitted soccer hater or reporter that's in bed with the mayoral administration he might be able to make an informed decision. Is there a problem with asking that the Post cover this story from all angles? Without omissions of key facts like the team is willing to SPEND money on construction?

Posted by: Chico | March 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

It's time to start planning to build a stadium in Maryland. Given the total incompetence of the DC government, even if there is an agreement on Poplar point, it will probably take ten years to complete. DC United should give Fenty a deadline for reaching an agreement. Then go ahead with Maryland.

Posted by: Mikeu | March 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It's clear from reading Loose Lips in the City Paper that David Nakamura is nothing more than a spokesman for the Fenty Administration. I thought his reporting was a little too cozy for comfort. This explains a lot of his reporting on Poplar Point.

Chico, you are vindicated.

Posted by: Loose Lips | March 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the picture of Franco Niell and Tim Duncan on United's website? Hilarious. Oh, and Peralta's easily a foot taller than Niell...maybe more (Niell doesn't even come up to Peralta's shoulders!)!

http://web.mlsnet.com/images/2008/03/07/niqI9vnd.jpg

Posted by: DE | March 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why Chico has to keep defending himself. None of us are saying that the Post is lying. We're just saying they ought to tell the whole truth. The editorial business and journalism in general is a hard job. A few reporters are biased and/or twisters of the truth. We're not saying all of them are. Many journalists are respectable people looking to serve the society (and get paid). Really. Calm down. Chico is right, they ought to tell the whole truth for the sake of clarity. That doesn't mean the piece is trash (because actually it has some great points)--it just means it's incomplete.

Posted by: Catherine-Lucia | March 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm writing a 20 page research paper on Poplar Point, and when the Washington Post publishes it, it will certainly compensate for the anti-United reporting.

Posted by: UVA to RFK | March 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd suggest taking opinions and complaints about The Post's reporting of the Poplar Point development to the Omsbudsman, Deborah Howell: ombudsman@washpost.com

That's likely to get more action than us mumbling to each other in Goff's blog.

If enough do it, and write in calmly and factually (there are a number of good examples of that above), she might even write an Ombudsman column about it...which is one way to get the balanced viewpoint we seek out in the open.

By the way, I am amazed at the City Paper's reports of the e-mail traffic, particularly the one where Nakamura seems to be giving a heads up to Fenty that Len Downie, the exceutive editor, is upset about Fenty's withholding the names of city cops who had shot a youngster.

Now I realize it could have been an interesting gambit to get Fenty to release the names, but nonetheless it certainly raised a WTF reaction in me.

Posted by: seahawkdad | March 7, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

the anti-United reporting.

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Yes, we all hate United. Every one of us. We hate soccer, hate MLS, hate soccer fans.

The American media conspiracy against soccer is alive and well. In fact, we (every reporter and editor in America) are going to get together in a windowless room at a secret location this weekend (I think we might use the Cheney bunker) to plot our next act.

(sigh)

Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm writing a 20 page research paper on Poplar Point, and when the Washington Post publishes it...

Posted by: UVA to RFK | March 7, 2008 05:45 PM
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Ted,
Do you get a good wireless signal from your one-room shack in Montana?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | March 7, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that on the balance I have agreed with Goff that Nakamura is a solid reporter who deserves respect. I've been impressed with his correspondence with me about issues I've raised.

But after reading that article I'm done with him. Pathetic. Evidence of deal making in exchange for being given exclusives and the overall coziness he's developed is just wrong. Lucy? You have some 'splanin to do!

The Post would be well in its place to move him to Virginia to work in a suburban office for a while. It reminds me of our prodigy Santino Quaranta, who had to serve time with the Gals when he failed to work hard. Maybe if Nakamura gets a few tattoos and does his time, he could be allowed back on 15th Street NW in a few years.

Posted by: David | March 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

he anti-United reporting.

---------

Yes, we all hate United. Every one of us. We hate soccer, hate MLS, hate soccer fans.

The American media conspiracy against soccer is alive and well. In fact, we (every reporter and editor in America) are going to get together in a windowless room at a secret location this weekend (I think we might use the Cheney bunker) to plot our next act.

(sigh)

Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 06:44 PM

The not-all-inclusive-slightly-slanted-toward-not-constructing-a-soccer-stadium-at-poplar-point reporting. Better?

Posted by: UVA to RFK | March 8, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

What is bothering a lot of us is captured in a question that was asked of David on a Q&A he did in The Post on-line on January 14th of this year.

Here is the question:

"Petworth, D.C.: Mr. Nakamura -- Given that the mayor notified you of Ms. Rhee's selection before he even notified the Chairman of the D.C. Council, why shouldn't readers be worried that you and your colleagues might be trading increased access for decreased objectivity.

I am worried that the Scooter Libby-style coziness with journalists may not merely be a federal government phenomenon."

He gave an answer pointing out that The Post had run some not favorable reports about Fenty regarding how he made the Rhee selection, but the the answer didn't directly address the question of coziness.

Posted by: seahawkdad | March 8, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

(I think we might use the Cheney bunker) to plot our next act.

(sigh)

Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 06:44 PM
_________________
Please. Don't go there. Sports is a haven away from politics for some of us.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

(I think we might use the Cheney bunker) to plot our next act.

(sigh)

Posted by: Goff | March 7, 2008 06:44 PM
_________________
Please. Don't go there. Sports is a haven away from politics for some of us.

Posted by: | March 8, 2008 09:36 AM


Agreed...I don't want to lose the respect I've gained for this blog.

Posted by: BK | March 8, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

A little late to the party here, but expecting fair-and-balanced reporting from Nakamura is about as fruitful as expecting fair-and-balanced reporting from Fox News.

Posted by: AlecW81 | March 8, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

A little late to the party here, but expecting fair-and-balanced reporting from Nakamura is about as fruitful as expecting fair-and-balanced reporting from Fox News.

Posted by: AlecW81 | March 8, 2008 12:27 PM

Haven't you learned yet that there is no such thing as "fair and balanced?" Come on, let's be honest. Yes, we are entitled to certain expectations, but you must know that you should never rely on a sole source on information. There are Fox, CNN, MSNBC, BBC, and many others for your news source needs. The problem with Nakamura is he seems to be the only source we have on this subject so, yes, it has become a problem.

Posted by: BK | March 10, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

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