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Matchday: DCU-Pachuca II

Since the previous thread was getting a bit cluttered, I've created a new forum for tonight's match.

Fire away, amigos!

By Steve Goff  |  April 1, 2008; 9:02 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

First!!1

Posted by: First | April 1, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TFC fan | April 1, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Getting tense-I hope our guys step it up tonight. Vamos United!

Posted by: towson | April 1, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

are tickets for tonights game free like our chivas matches?

Posted by: Jeff | April 1, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

See you at Bailey's.
GOOOOOOOOOOOO United!

Posted by: Dadryan | April 1, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

who is Laurent Robert?

isn't he related to Youri Djorkaev?

Posted by: justsayin' | April 1, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I really want to see Quaranta playing as much as possible. I think he is an excellent option up top with Emilio, but I don't think that will happen much. He gets to play more from the midfield. Jamie still seems to have a something left in the tank, but it's time to look to the future.

A win tonight would be great. We won't lose at home next week.

Posted by: smcdave | April 1, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

There apparently is no pregame show on WFED tonight. Presumably we will hear Limarzi at the top of the hour.

Is there a matchtracker for this game somewhere?

Posted by: tri-village | April 1, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Catorce minutos y contando.

Posted by: Vamos United Esta Noche Tenemos Que Ganar! | April 1, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Vamos UNITED!! 4-1 Caps SWEET!!!

Posted by: zosodzve | April 1, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

If you don't get fox soccer channel, try channelsurfing.net they show it on the guide for tonite.

Posted by: zosodave | April 1, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

thank god that serie a music video is finally over. let's go!!

Posted by: pat | April 1, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Those wanting to watch live can watch here:
http://www.justin.tv/psn_1

No software needed, PC and Mac Compatible.

Posted by: GO UNITED | April 1, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Starting Lineup?? I heard Niell and Emilio are up top. Missing beginning of broadcast. Pachuca fans sound loud on radio!

Posted by: BigWave | April 1, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a weird team name -- saw it on the vid site -- Thailand's Tobacco Monopoly

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

first

Posted by: bobf | April 1, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice break...Niell too slow to pull the trigger though, and tries for a dive.

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Wells
Namoff Gonzo 1 Gonzo 2 Burch
Simms
McTavish Gallardo Fred
Emilio Niell

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks MK!:)

Posted by: BigWave | April 1, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

man, this ref is killing us. every single dive!

Posted by: Glenn | April 1, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Quite an open, full-field game...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

c'mon united!

Posted by: David | April 1, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I've gotta see Frodo do something... he always seems to be out-paced by the defense to a ball and then he falls down.

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Cmon Niell, shoot...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

niell... please shoot. are you american in disguise?

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I thought Emilio was through there - great work by Fred!

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

should be 2-0 up... cmon emilio

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Emilio needs to lay off the donuts

Posted by: matt y | April 1, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I was gonna say Emilio looks like a sure thing for the Campbells Chunky Soup job once McNabb blows out his knee for the last time.

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Simms superb early on.

Neill holds the ball up well.

Gallardo with space is promising...

Posted by: JkR | April 1, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

GO UNITED - thanks for the link!!!

Posted by: Modibo | April 1, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

This link works on Mac and PC:
http://www.justin.tv/psn_1

Posted by: David | April 1, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

the commentators on Fox Sports en Espanol are trying to figure out how many United players are born in the US and how many are foreign.

Posted by: david | April 1, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh and if this was a ncaa bball game pachuca would already be in the bonus. Does this ref know that he's allowed to call fouls on pachuca?

Posted by: matt y | April 1, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

DEAR GOD martinez is class

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Huge save - don't let Wells down with more free shots like that!

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but Wells is classier.

Posted by: BigWave | April 1, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

You have got to be kidding...

Posted by: Bravo | April 1, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Egad! Pachuca decided they had enough of a warm up.

Great stuff from Wells.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | April 1, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The Espanol announcers are doing that in case dc wins. Got to get the ready made excuses planned out ahead of time

Posted by: matt y | April 1, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

0-0 at halftime... cmon now

Bretos is talking like Pachuca is Brazil '70..

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Wells vs. Pachuca

It would be great if he could get some help.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Matt Y - Are you sure the Espanol announcers are Mexican?

Posted by: JDO | April 1, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Bad decision by Wells to come out there...

And gets a yellow for delay? Lame.

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

You guys are officially driving me nuts.

I can't get streaming to work at work----seems like the computer admins have shut it down and even the flash player won't load----sol de playas.

And your collective commentary has me on the edge of my seat kicking the wall, cuz I can't figure out what is going on.

Posted by: delantero | April 1, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

where is emilios touch, and why isnt anybody forcing the geezer calero to make a save

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

These are some strange replays. Namoff heading the ball, Wells kicking it out. WOnder what teh announcers are saying.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | April 1, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Flash Player? You can use Windows Media Player. Go to website for 1050 AM and you will see link.

Posted by: BigWave | April 1, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

What's with the high-angle camera work on FSC? Its like I'm playing my old FIFA 98 game.

Posted by: Matt in Silver Spring | April 1, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Man of the first half is Wells. He earned his pay.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Now the fox sports en espanol announcers said that Zack Wells was responsible for the error that Perkins made last year vs. Chivas in the same tournament. They didn't pick up on the fact that it's a different person.

Posted by: David | April 1, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Time to bring out Moreno...

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

What in the world does Pachuca have to talk to the ref for? They've been permitted to go over the back with impunity, have our GK carded for time wasting, and a 5-1 foul ratio in favor...

Posted by: JkR | April 1, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

the announcer is great, very informative

what a save by fred

niell held the ball, but nothing else

loved seeing moreno warming up

Posted by: Kelvin | April 1, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

let's hope Martinez isn't hurt too badly. But those groin strains can take a while to heal. My guess is we'll see McTavish to the backline for the 2nd half with Quaranta in the midfield spot.

Posted by: Glenn | April 1, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I love you GO United you saved my life. Thanks for the link. thank you.. thank you.. this will be the first game i get to watch... damn you iraq.. damn you...


Vamos United esta noche tenemos que ganar!

Posted by: JIN | April 1, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

the streaming site someone posted uses a flash player

Can't get TVU player to load up.

I can, however, get sopcast and get to watch volleyball from Asia.

Posted by: delantero | April 1, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

why are they filming from the blimp?

Posted by: Matt | April 1, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Niell is definately related to Albright

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Either way no spanish announcer would give a US team any credit

Posted by: matt y | April 1, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Moment of the match so far:

FSC replay: Wells punts the ball

3 second pause

FSC announcer: "Not much to comment on there..."

Posted by: Adam | April 1, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

TVU working fine for me...

DC fortunate to be 0-0 at the half... Other than a few isolated stretches we looked to be against the ropes most of the half, and Pachuca had two point-blank chances they blew. Yes, the ref does seem to be calling it pretty one-sided, mostly in terms of calling ticky-tack stuff on DCU that he should let go.

Neill hustling, but not producing. Gallardo looks good. McTavish and Burch looking a little exposed in the back. Fred wildly inconsistent, some great plays, some awful giveaways. Simms looking solid.

Posted by: edgeonyou | April 1, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me that O'Neil is not going to be like Jaime07 and not take shots.

Posted by: Glaucon | April 1, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

how many subs do we get?

Posted by: Jack | April 1, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

SHOOT THE BALL!!!

Posted by: steve-o 1 or 2 | April 1, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Quakes fan but pull for DC sometimes, especially when they are in Mexico. I thought that, considering the altitude and the home and away, that DC played pretty well. Like you guys, I think Wells looked strong and confident. Gallardo was unimpressive. Maybe he's conserving for the 2nd half. Love Fred's meg. DC looked fine. It's their lungs I worry about.

Posted by: EssEff | April 1, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Bretos upon seeing the Pachuca mascot wrapped around the GK's waist - "I'm not sure if this... is someone that's supposed to be there"

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

what was that?!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Pachuca have an American playing for them!

Posted by: Bravo | April 1, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Sadly that is the most action Pachuca's GK has seen all nite.

Posted by: Sec. 131 | April 1, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Quaranta in for Frank O'Neill

Posted by: BigWave | April 1, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

An American hits a shot off of the post for Pachuca...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Do away goals factor in?

Posted by: Mike | April 1, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Quaranta for Niell = 4-5-1 bunker for the second half. Lets hope it holds, Pachuca looks like they're getting it together.

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Can't find much around on Paco Torres other than being 20 and from Texas, but he's gotten a lot of playing time (including a few full 90s) in the last few games for Pachuca.

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

No away goal rule in this tourney. If it's tied on aggregate by the end of the second leg, they play a 30 minute overtime.

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

There is no away goals rule

Posted by: Bravo | April 1, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Mike, no

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

COME ON DC!!! HOLD STRONG!!

a goal on the counter would be nice right now

Posted by: tommy | April 1, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Incredible defense by Pachuca...we need to take notes.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

This kid Torres (LM) looks pretty good. Anyone know anything about him?

Posted by: Nic | April 1, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Pachuca's defense = hold the ball in our end...

Posted by: JkR | April 1, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Torres could come out of nowhere and play for the U-23 team maybe?

Posted by: Tommy | April 1, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry... don't want to say it... Emilio is TERRIBLE this game...

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Yikes, the past five minutes have been pretty bad. Hopefully DCU can ride it out...

Posted by: Nic | April 1, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I thought Emilio was bad in the Harbour View series too until he netted two goals.

Posted by: delantero | April 1, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

emilio sucks!!!!!

Posted by: chris | April 1, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

He may as well try our U-23 team, cuz Mexico's has a little time off now...

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Glad we don't have last year's defense...this would've been over a while ago.

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

and 1-0

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

For what its worth (not much, trust me...), this is a game where I wish DC still had Josh Gros. In this altitude, he'd be one of the guys who could run all day and cause some problem on the flank.

Crap! Goal...

Posted by: napoleondynamite | April 1, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

those were gift goals he is slow and unimaginitive

Posted by: chris | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

SUB DC use a SUB

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

what is up with our goalkeeping gaffes in Mexico? That was awful.

Posted by: bristol | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Cross become a goal...grr...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Slagging Emilio is absurd...he's barely seen the ball and he's trying to cover the whole half of the field...

Wells should have done better on that goal. Rough spot now...

Posted by: JkR | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

he made wells look silly.

Posted by: longfellow | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

We need some subs.....were are VERY tired.

Posted by: Tommy | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Emilio is the perfect example of why statistics generally are meaningless in soccer. While he scored a decent amount last year, anyone who has watched him play realizes he is crap (and continues to prove that tonight).

Posted by: Schmemilio | April 1, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Soft goal. Wells isn't doing himself any favors...

Posted by: Nic | April 1, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Not good D there, either -- 4 guys had to collapse on one, leaving him alone on the side.

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

worst passing display ever.

Posted by: bristol | April 1, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Torres should be given a look-see on the Olympic squad. Better that the US sees him first and we don't have the same situation there was with Edgar Padilla who was ignored by US Soccer and wound up being a real good player for Mexico.
There are a couple of other US player in Mexico, Sonny Guadarrama who plays for Santos and has gotten attention from Mexican National teams. And of course Jesús Padilla who plays for Chivas and has no interest in playing for the US, he has his sights set strictly for El Tri.
Thankfully the US grabbed Michael Orozco before Mexico did.

Posted by: Roberto | April 1, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Time remaining?

Posted by: d | April 1, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

That was on Wells. Keeper has to own the near post - can't just assume a cross will go where you want it.

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

What was Wells doing leaving near post so open like that? 1-0 still isn't bad result for DC... if they can get some possession going and alleviate some of the pressure Pachuca is putting on them.

Posted by: Bravo | April 1, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Why does PAchuca get ten million subs and we only get one?

Posted by: Southeaterner | April 1, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

that was a great goal. what are you talking about

Posted by: chris | April 1, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

25 mins.

Yeah, Wells got caught cheating, and never should be burned like that near post...but I can't blame him. That was a bad cross, not a good shot.

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

in the 68th minute

Posted by: time | April 1, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

That last check was worthy of Ovechkin.

No card though!?!?

Posted by: La Cabra | April 1, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I still dont understand why some of these guys aren't called in. Are the ppl running US soccer really that blind?? They call in 2nd division European players but never look to Mexico.

Posted by: Tommy | April 1, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

nice shot on goal gallardo. next time aim for the f***ing rafters.

Posted by: bristol | April 1, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so quick to blame the keep. Wells should have had the near post but D gave the wing all day to do whatever he wanted to with the ball.

Posted by: Cavfan | April 1, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

What cross? That was a shot. Rookie gk mistake. Always cover direct route to goal and trust defenders to cover their marks.

Posted by: Matt y | April 1, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

71st minute, DCU 0-1 Pachuca

Posted by: SportzNut21 | April 1, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Soehn I'll pay you to make a sub.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

is everyone on United afraid of shooting the ball?

Posted by: bristol | April 1, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

does emilio know how to pass?? Fred was wide open.

Posted by: Tommy | April 1, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

We disagree, then. I think it was a cross.

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else miss Ben Olsen tonight? Devon hasn't cut it on the right.

Posted by: Bret | April 1, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Dangerous direct kick there...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Quaranta is strolling around there like he is on a lunch break. Sub him out!!!

Posted by: diego r. | April 1, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

No way that was a shot. It was a crap cross.

Posted by: Nic | April 1, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

emilio is so horrble

Posted by: chris | April 1, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

and Emilio once again proves how awful he is....ugh

Posted by: Schmemilio | April 1, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

80 min without a shot. Come on DC just ONE shot before the end of this!

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

CMON! We have got to get a good shot off there...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if we can survive another 15...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

who cares it ended up as a goal

Posted by: chris | April 1, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

nice dive by gallardo! (actually, the replay show he was hit... I'm a little shocked)

Gallardo off for Dyachenko... so... 3-0 Pachuca, then.

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Ug Gallardo elbowed in the face...Dyachenko in for him.

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

where is mexico in their season?

Posted by: reality check | April 1, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Oh McTavish...that was in the box...McT just lost the ball in the air there badly

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

2-0

Great coverage on the far post!

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

That was BURIED. hurt on it. Maybe wind knocked out?

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't we have had a man moving to the post there if we wanted to hold a line...

Posted by: La Cabra | April 1, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

3 or 4

Posted by: chris | April 1, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

So now we need to win 3-0 in DC and tonight we couldn't even get off one single shot.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

So now we need to win 3-0 in DC and tonight we couldn't even get off one single shot.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Awful coverage BTW. Who to blame...

Posted by: RK | April 1, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Emilio can play some ugly soccerball, but 20 goals in 30 games in MLS, 6 goals for DC in CONCACAF Champions Cup matches, Golden Boot winner, Most Valuable Player, Newcomer of the Year, MLS Best XI - he must have done something right.

That should have been a PK anyway, karma came around. Montes was ompletely free to score that goal.

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

not a good game for DC

Posted by: addo | April 1, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

If DCU continues to give up so many direct kicks, Becks might do ok against them.

Posted by: La Cabra | April 1, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Why did Soehn make a substitution right before a free kick? Did that have anything to do with allowing the goal? Looked like it, like someone blew coverage.

Posted by: Dan in FL | April 1, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

The lack of shots on goal for us is not a shock. The altitude is serious and it hit the team with about 25 minutes to go in the first half. They were trying to play defensive but all look whipped.

Emilio should have first timed the ball with his attempt a bit ago.

Posted by: RIP General | April 1, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I love Raúl Orvañanos doing pxp but they've made some gaffes regarding DC United that are awful.
In no particular order:
DC needs to leave RFK which they share with the Washington Redskins.
Zach Wells allowed a soft goal vs. Chivas last year that cost them their series. It was Troy Perkins. Wells was in goal for Houston vs Pachuca in a classic semifinal match in the other bracket.
All these new soccer-specific stadiums being built in the US hold 35,000-40,000 people.
Fred has become a US Citizen.
And those are all I can remember.
On the positive side they praised the growth of soccer in the US, DC's excellent tactical and positional discipline.
And they are miles ahead of anyone on Fox's English side as far as the pacing and style of calling a game.


Posted by: Roberto | April 1, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm as much of an Emilio believer as the next, but his first touch has been a joke tonight.

Posted by: d, dc | April 1, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

What game is Sullivan watching? Gallardo looked very average. Every bad pass he made, Sullivan blamed the intended receiver for not making the right run. Come on.

Posted by: EssEff | April 1, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Martinez and Peralta. They should just kick the ball out of bounds instead of to their teammates it would have been 10x more productive.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Santino's pretty little shoes failed him there!

Posted by: MK | April 1, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Please ref end the pain

Posted by: DC Wasn't Ready | April 2, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

OK. Reverse psychology didn't work.

If in three weeks time, we have not decided to have an offensive identity that is full of hopeful crosses and unnecessary aerial passes, then I'll say "The Sky is Falling", "Fire Soehn", and all the other nice phrases we've come to love to hate to love to say.

Right now, I'll ask Ben Olsen and Jaime Moreno to please get better soon.

Posted by: B.A. | April 2, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Namoff can't even score in the inflatable tunnel next to the goal...

Posted by: MK | April 2, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Okay, which two Pachuca players do DC's secret powerful fan at Foggy Bottom screw out of visas?

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | April 2, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I don't care if they lose this game and the series, but I'm worried about our keeper situation. Both goals are on Wells. I know that you may say that the second was the D, but Wells should've come out for it. He did horribly at positioning himself. The same thing happened on the first goal. Also, on the first shot of the second half he was 4 yards off of his line when he shouldn't have been. As I write this, he didn't come out for another almost goal even though it was offsides.

Bottom line, Wells has been horrible and he didn't look good in the KC game also. If he's our #1 then we are in for a long season.

Posted by: Q | April 2, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Not Torres, the American!

Posted by: RK | April 2, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

DC needs to find some better subs than Dyachenko and Santino

Posted by: Darth Hater | April 2, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

DC deserved worse. Hopefully Houston shows better.

Same as las year. GK stunk and Soehn goes chicken liver tactics and doesn't give his team a chance.

Posted by: Steve | April 2, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

at least not 3-0

Posted by: addo | April 2, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

the referee for this game was terrible...get him outta here....

Posted by: Ben Canada | April 2, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Is it too late to pay Gomez what he deserved?

Oh.

Posted by: Joe S. | April 2, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

You can't blame Wells for both.

Check out your boy Martinez on the replay. Excuse me but I thought pure class meant something different than not taking a step to move with your mark.

Posted by: Steve | April 2, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

i thought santino played ok, especially since the altitude would make it incredibly difficult to recover from getting winded by that shot in the gut.

mediate and dyachenko on the other hand... moreno must have been worse off than we thought if they came on before him.

Posted by: pat | April 2, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Tranquilo, DC showed a lot of positives tonight, Pachuca is in midseason and one of the best in this hemisphere, calm down.

Posted by: Louis | April 2, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

If Wells doesn't start playing better soon DCU's "new number one" is quickly going to become their old number one.

His positioning and reaction speed on both goals were awful. Plus his distribution is piss poor. Wells wasn't time wasting, he was busy thinking how best to give away possession.

Posted by: noptov52 | April 2, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Roberto... didn't catch the Redskins thing but I argued with the TV for awhile about Fred being a US citizen.

2-0... we were lucky, maybe it was the altitude, maybe it was the newness of the team, but I feel cheated having lost both to KC and Pachuca. I don't want to cry anything else so early in the season, but Marcelito has got to get better with that passing, and Niell needs some stilts or we need to get someone else out there. Cezar maybe? I would say Quaranta, but I can't believe he fell and let the ball go out.

Boo to this game all around, but Wells, Simms, and Fred all did real well considering. Good to hear FSE praise Clyde.

Posted by: matt | April 2, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

i think tonight's game was a testament to how good pachuca is... not how bad DC is.

with one of mexico's best coaches on the bench (and some deep pockets i may add) pachuca tactical superiority was in full display tonight...

offensively, pachuca was masterful, with poor DC chasing all over the place....

DC will have their work cut-out for them in the game at RFK

Posted by: dan | April 2, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

DC needs to find some better subs than Dyachenko and Santino

Posted by: Darth Hater | April 2, 2008 12:02 AM

Well we have Mediate . . .

Burch looked great defending but awful at passing. Peralta and Martiez were studs all game long. Gallardo is fantastic at passing and possession, but don't expect much else. Emilio can't create. O'Neil looks to dive each time he gets the ball. Wells made the obligatory costly error in Mexico. Fred was the best D.C. player on the field.

Overall, I think we've got a pretty fair chance at RFK.

Are we going to play subs against Toronto? I certainly hope not.

Posted by: Glaucon | April 2, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

wells is a major liability
he is too slow to react on everything.

he will cost us.

try carvallo

Posted by: castroviejo | April 2, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

So now we need to win 3-0 in DC and tonight we couldn't even get off one single shot.

Posted by: Southeasterner | April 1, 2008 11:51 PM
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A two-goal win leads to a tiebreaker on home turf.

BTW, for those of you have been watching FSC (or Internet video streams), there is a postgame show on WFED (radio or Internet audio).

Posted by: tri-village | April 2, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Seems that Emilio sucks at everything except finishing (but that is definitely something any team could use). He's just so lazy in every other aspect of his game.

We didn't have one quality chance tonight. I guess early season form and altitude screwed us. I thought putting Quaranta in was a solid move. Niell was a joke. We looked pretty awful tonight, but then again it's early and we do have a great team. Gallardo is definitely the most composed player on he ball that we have. He's going to be good this year.

Posted by: smcdave | April 2, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Wells is awful.

Posted by: Phillip | April 2, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

After losing two games, everyone needs to play against Toronto

Thank goodness for Martinez and Peralta, or it would have been worse.

I honestly dont see what the team sees in Dyachenko. He always seems weak and doesnt create on the ball (which you would like to see from your backup forward/cam).

Posted by: Darth Hater | April 2, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

ok, someone has to say it:

Roberto, what are you talking about?

Posted by: northzax | April 2, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

I've got to agree with the positive comments. DC played ok for the situation. They definitely got fatigued and it showed. Both teams played for possession, Pachuca was much better at it.

I don't see all the hate for Emilio or Wells. Emilio had to really run around a lot tonight in taking over what Moreno usually does. And as someone already said, the first goal was more due to letting them have all day on the wings. Without a fatigue caused foul, the second goal wouldn't have been either.

I'm quite happy with Peralta and Martinez. Solid play under lots of pressure.

Posted by: Moteus | April 2, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

This type of game suited Gallardo well. I also liked Fred's performance. More was needed from the forwards.

Posted by: tpm26 | April 2, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

What I saw tonight was a DCU team that is just starting the season with many new players against an absolutely terrible mid-season form Pachuca. A team with better quality would have made us re-live the Pumas debacle.

Posted by: Red Devil | April 2, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

DC needs to find some better subs than Dyachenko and Santino

Posted by: Darth Hater | April 2, 2008 12:02 AM

Well we have Mediate . . .

Posted by: Glaucon | April 2, 2008 12:15 AM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Thanks for the laugh. I needed something to pick up my spirits after that match.

Mediate....hahaha

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | April 2, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

That this game turned out 2-0 is amazing, and not just becuase the ref blew that last offiseds call on the breakaway. The talent gap between these two teams is extraordinary. The understanding that Pachuca's players have and that DCU seems to entirely lack is almost as compelling. Most concerning was the speed deficit that left DCU defenders making last second slides and regular runs back to try and catch up with Pachuca attackers. The most galling aspect of the game was the hideous passing by United. Even when they were trying to connect with teammates, the giveaways were depressing. However, that wasn't quite so bad as those desparation dump passes to nowhere that said are only chance here is to run out the clock.

To say that I'm not sold on any of the new acquisitions would be a huge understatement. Peralta is a strong defender but a bit frightening when the ball is on his feet. Martinez is a step slower than I'd like, but is the stronger player. While he shows good recovery skills, his tough challenges give away too many free kicks and he's caught flat-footed too often -- that last offsides is a perfect example. He moved up too late and was extremely fortunate that the officials mistakenly ruled the play offsides.

Gallardo may have talent but it isn't showing to any effect with the peoople surrounding him right now. As I wrote when it appeared we would replace Gomez with Gallardo, while this was an upgrade in talent, it would be the wrong move, in this league, at this time. Gomez could produce offense all by himself and he was a much stronger defender than El Muneco.

As for our new goalie, Zack Wells: In his defense, he does seem to have pretty sure hands, that second goal against KC notwithstanding. However, he lacks the athleticism a goalie should have. He's not quick enough, nor does he have the leaping ability a top goalie must have. And he's already raised questions about his positioning. He looks very uncertain out there. I miss Perkins already, and I would really like to get some looks at Carvallo.

Niell is just too damn small to have any real impact. I'm a short guy -- so, it pains me to say it. He gets knocked off almost every ball. He is the least convincing of our new imports. Even the return of Quaranta just brings to light the reasons why teams have given up on him -- he doesn't have quick feet.

Clearly, the biggest problem this team had was no two players ever seemed to be on the same page, at the same time. Perhaps the returns of Moreno and Olsen will change that. Certainly, Moreno should help organize and create some offense

All these opinions are, of course, subject to change, when DCU goes on its inevitable winning streak, but this is the current state of affairs.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | April 2, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

What was with the ref in the first half calling fouls on Niell every time he turned up the field with the ball?

Posted by: Phillip | April 2, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

We needed Jaime out there today. He would have been able to hold the ball, get some cheap fouls called, slow up the game and give our guys a breather. It worked really well last year against Chivas

Posted by: Anonymous | April 2, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Zach Wells does not compare, experience wise, to Carvallo in international play. Why give Wells the pressure of this game if he doesn't have much experience, even in MLS?

Niell did not show any particularly nice speed to make up for his size. He was beaten up and nothing to show for it.

Quaranta played much better than Niell.

Emilio played ok for the style we played today (defensive)

Gallardo had a bad game.

Peralta excellent game.

Quaranta for Niell
Carvallo for Wells
Heal Moreno and Olsen!

Vamos United!


Posted by: Dan | April 2, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Well said

100% agree with Dan.

Viva la Barra Brava!

Posted by: Jaime Moreno | April 2, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

remember... you get what you pay for... DC cannot compete with Pachuca's pockets.

DC may have hussle and guts, but when you match the hussle with hussle and add wonderful skill: Pachuca.

no need to be so hard on the boys from DC... they are not at the same level with pachuca... close, but still technical/tactical gap.

Posted by: dan | April 2, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Does FIFA permit players to come over to the sideline for a whiff of oxygen? Geez, if NFL players can suck on the stuff after three minutes of play, why can't soccer players take a drag or two when they find themselves near the bench?

Posted by: Hedbal | April 1, 2008 08:20 PM
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Because they got to drag all that dead weight

Posted by: The Jim | April 2, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

We sure coulda useed Jaime starting tonight.
Luciano looked better than he did in KC but he sure is slow.
Fred had some tiny moments but for all his desire to get fancy he can sure Poop the bed.
I can't believe nobody could get a freaking shot off.
The ref kinda sucked, what's up with the whole starting eleven for PAC huddled around him at the half?
Why did we get caught with our pants down subbing in Mediate resulting in that goal?
Lotta work to do next week at RFK..
Gallardo should shoot once in a while himself and Fred should really stop farting around so much, we are getting enough of that from #10. It's obvious Luciano has no speed and Niell is fast but he reminds me of a steel wheel that goes flying with the slightest obstacle thrown in it's way.
Paging Mr. Olsen
Mr Olsen
You are needed in support ASAP!
Moreno TOO!

Posted by: Dadryan | April 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

When Pachuca plays us like this at at our house then we can start talking about deep pockets, It just looked to me that DC players have issues with the altitude, we play like crap in places like this and Colorado. They played us at home, now its our turn to have the advantage.

TO DAN, Dc made america seem just as bad at home last year, and Pachuca got outclassed by houston when Pachuca was way better last year. The altitude has something to do with this trust me. I was born in Bolivia and anyone who tells you it does affect you is an idiot. It did not affect me when I lived there but when I moved here and went back after a couple of years, I fainted just by getting of the airplane. I am not against playing in altitude but come on now for people to say it is not an advantage is idiotic. We all now it is, but thats where people live and they should be allowed to play there. Let Pachuca outplay us here at RFK and then start talking..

Posted by: Dc Fan | April 2, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

When Pachuca plays us like this at at our house then we can start talking about deep pockets, It just looked to me that DC players have issues with the altitude, we play like crap in places like this and Colorado. They played us at home, now its our turn to have the advantage.

TO DAN, Dc made america seem just as bad at home last year, and Pachuca got outclassed by houston when Pachuca was way better last year. The altitude has something to do with this trust me. I was born in Bolivia and anyone who tells you it does affect you is an idiot. It did not affect me when I lived there but when I moved here and went back after a couple of years, I fainted just by getting of the airplane. I am not against playing in altitude but come on now for people to say it is not an advantage is idiotic. We all now it is, but thats where people live and they should be allowed to play there. Let Pachuca outplay us here at RFK and then start talking..

Posted by: Dc Fan | April 2, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

When Pachuca plays us like this at at our house then we can start talking about deep pockets, It just looked to me that DC players have issues with the altitude, we play like crap in places like this and Colorado. They played us at home, now its our turn to have the advantage.

TO DAN, Dc made america seem just as bad at home last year, and Pachuca got outclassed by houston when Pachuca was way better last year. The altitude has something to do with this trust me. I was born in Bolivia and anyone who tells you it does affect you is an idiot. It did not affect me when I lived there but when I moved here and went back after a couple of years, I fainted just by getting of the airplane. I am not against playing in altitude but come on now for people to say it is not an advantage is idiotic. We all now it is, but thats where people live and they should be allowed to play there. Let Pachuca outplay us here at RFK and then start talking..

Posted by: Dc Fan | April 2, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I would see a D.C. United game vs. Pachuca where there would be an Eddie and the Cruisers reference followed up by a John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band explanation...Some pretty weird stuff...I am still not clear why D.C. did not re-sign Guy Roland Kepene?? You mean to tell me the British kid who played at West Virginia has more upside that Kepene? hmmm...

Posted by: Alan | April 2, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I love the spirit and desire for United to win. Overall I thought the approach to the game was all wrong. Its one thing to play at altitude, but to sit back and defend on the 18 for seventy minutes is asking too much at sea level much less high altitude. I think both Gonzo's are huge improvements in the CB. However martinez got caught ball watching on the second goal, a byproduct of defending for too long. Personally I think Wells is one of the best keepers in MLS technically. Tactically he will only improve as he plays. As for Gallardo. Think back to what Gomez was like when he first got here, I remember him struggling a bit. It wasn't until the following year that he really started to assert himself. Gallardo seems light years ahead of Gomez. My biggest concern is the lack of support for the ball and the incessant whacking of the ball by a few players. In addition I would love to see Fred use his qualities to play simple. Dychenko and Mediate are like deer in headlights from what has been presented. I thought the american for Pachuca was of a different class, as was thier #10. In the end United created four chances & took none. Pachuca created more chances than I have fingers and took two. By the way, who was the seven year old playing up top for United in the first half? Or was that one the Barca cartoons from an earlier posting?

Posted by: Soccer Guru | April 2, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

The altitude had a lot to do with DC's tactics, but even under these conditions they were too conservative. DC has a lot of skill as well and they'll show it in the 2nd leg.
I think DC was afraid of running out of air and at the end they paid the price. 2-0 against isn't easy but not overwhelming either. I hope soccer folks in the Washington area and beyond go down and fill up the lower bowl at RFK. I know Pachuca fans will find their way there and make a lot of noise.

DC may have hussle and guts, but when you match the hussle with hussle and add wonderful skill: Pachuca.

no need to be so hard on the boys from DC... they are not at the same level with pachuca... close, but still technical/tactical gap.>>

Posted by: Roberto | April 2, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

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