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The Aftermath: DCU-TFC

D.C. United does not score on the road.
D.C. United does not win on the road.
D.C. United does not score on artificial turf.
D.C. United does not win on artificial turf.
Oh, who are we kidding? D.C. United does not win anywhere.

Four in a row, folks.

The effort was better, the ball movement pretty good, the efficiency in the final third still poor, Fred's finishing was horrendous and then, of course, there was Devon McTavish's clumsy night. It's no fun to get beaten (and bruised) by Danny Dichio. Victor MacFarlane, Will Chang and Kevin Payne witnessed another loss in person.

On the bright side, the locker room was opened promptly for interviews. Woohoo. And Marcelo Gallardo won the goal of the week honor for his strike vs. Chivas USA last Saturday.

For my match report, click here.

For a few notes, click here.

For video highlights, click here.

PLAYER RATINGS: Wells 4; Namoff 6, Peralta 5, McTavish 3, Martinez 5; Quaranta 4, Simms 5, Gallardo 5, Fred 3; Moreno 4, Emilio 4. Subs: Burch 5, Mediate 5, Doe 5.

This will cheer you up.....

Read about Diego Maradona's obsession with Julia Roberts by clicking here.

By Steve Goff  |  May 22, 2008; 12:08 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

Wow. We suck.

Posted by: KR in DC | May 22, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

...and Alexi Lalas can in no way be blamed for any part of it.

Posted by: Jamie A. | May 22, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

dc united hates soccer.

Posted by: espn | May 22, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Hire Bruce Arena.

FFS

Posted by: kjm | May 22, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

dc united hates soccer.

Posted by: espn | May 22, 2008 12:46 AM
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Dont be silly. Judging from what i've seen on the field the past few games, DC United dont know what soccer is.

Posted by: wow | May 22, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

If they keep this up, I am going to have to call The Wolf to clean up this mess.

Posted by: Erick | May 22, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Fred may very well deserve his 3, but it was sure nice to have someone fast on the field and someone with a hint of creativity. He sure opened things up a bit.

I also liked Martinez's agression going forward, but I'm not sure he's a finisher.

Posted by: Glaucon | May 22, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Supposedly domestic abuse incidents spike during the Super Bowl.

I have to assume the same now applies in the 30 minutes following any DC United game.

Posted by: Erick | May 22, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

OOooo merde!

And they WE surrender easily!

Sacre bleu!

Posted by: Vichy France | May 22, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

And we thought WE were impotent.

Thanks for making us feel better about ourselves DC United.

Posted by: Viagara Nation | May 22, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Big Vic will fire Tom Soehn like FCD did Steve Morrow. Of course, that would be wrong, just like FCD.

Posted by: twotone | May 22, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

That game was ugly and the field was horrible.

but hey, we played better in this loss than the other losses!
haha! baby-steps...

Posted by: andrew | May 22, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Wells needs to sit and we have no speed. Moreno isn't doing anything dangerous and emilio cant even create his own half chance. I just kept thinking bout that quote "possesion without penetration is nothing". Man...we really suck. Its real depressing

Posted by: matt y | May 22, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Wells needs to sit and we have no speed. Moreno isn't doing anything dangerous and emilio cant even create his own half chance. I just kept thinking bout that quote "possesion without penetration is nothing". Man...we really suck. Its real depressing

Posted by: matt y | May 22, 2008 3:01 AM | Report abuse

Add insult to injury:

Fenty was on the Comcast report talking nebulously about something referred to as a "stadium." Strange. I can almost imagine what one is like. Almost.

DCU can't score a goal.
DCU can't even score a new stadium.

However, the Nats can bend the city over a car hood, pump 'em, get a new stadium AND get paid $100k a day because the city didn't complete the stadium on time...read below.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/21/AR2008052102584.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: Erick | May 22, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

The Titanic is sinking

Posted by: Johnson | May 22, 2008 3:43 AM | Report abuse

bblllluiuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaa

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Posted by: 3rd Class Steerage | May 22, 2008 5:13 AM | Report abuse

Well, our season and the fate of our coach comes down to Saturday. IMO we have to win or Soehn is out. No matter what happens with the coach, our season likely is toast, as even with improvement we are unlikely to win many upcoming games.

Posted by: Ron | May 22, 2008 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Yo DC United just plain sucks. If it aint broke dont fix it.

Posted by: Clyde Syesterson | May 22, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, it is "broke" and it needs fixing. The coach and the goalkeeper are good places to start.

Posted by: Ron | May 22, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree with Quaranta's 4. He showed a ton of hussle that I have seen increase game to game. Soehn called him out (in a matter of speaking) and he stepped up that challenge. He played a full game with hussle. He took on defenders, crossed the ball effectively, and got back on defense. Remember, when Wells was caught in "no man's land"...again! on the side of the goal, it was Quaranta that had tracked back and cleared the ball. I also saw him back helping Namoff on the right side. I guess nobody was great last night, but I liked the improvement as well as the "challenge accepted" by Quaranta.
I think our attack looked better, we just can't finish. The defense still looked shaky, but that goal was purely McTavish screwing up.
Like I said yesterday, we need Burch on the field. Hell, he had more dangerous crosses in the 15 minutes he was in than the rest of the team the rest of the game. He needs to be in there serving crosses. That may be the only way Emilio ever gets scoring (thats a HUGE question mark though).

Posted by: moreno4prez | May 22, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Field was embarrassing
So was DC
Wells should not play
At least Dyachenko and Niell didn't play

Why Emilio over Doe?

Why can't Burch and Quaranta take someone on 1 v 1 and deliver a cross?

Why can't we make a corner kick go over the first defender?

Why can't pros hit the goal from 18 yards?

Why can't we protect Gallardo from getting hacked?

Why does our enforcer Simms smile so much? Why does he always pass it back?

Posted by: RRP | May 22, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Goff,

What happened with the Gomez deal? It would be of great interest to me and I think others on this blog if you could explain how exactly Gomez got his nose out of joint.

Because right now it looks like Gomez is worth DP money and the guarantee to this team. I'm guessing that Gomez will be going strong well into DCU's third year of missing the playoffs. Who in the DCU organization decided to play hardball with the talisman? I really haven't heard anyone in the organization step up and take responsibility for botching this negotiation. We were told that Gomez was unreasonable, but in my experience it takes two to tango.

It would be a great story, but it may sour you cozy relationship with the team. Maybe one of the Mikes (Wilbon or Wise) will step up.

Posted by: Tommie | May 22, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

It all starts with Payne. Maybe he'll impress us by his well-known screaming tirades and blame everyone else except him.

What a leader he is . . . Show him the door . . . the cup has runneth over.

Posted by: TimeToGo | May 22, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Ein moment, bitte.

Yeah, about that sponsoship deal...yeah, ah, we don't remember actually signing anything, and, ah, so we want our money back. Yeah. Ok?

Posted by: Volkswagen HQ | May 22, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

What happened with the Gomez deal?

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We've gone over this a thousand times.

The money was not the issue. Guaranteed years -- which are rare in MLS -- were.

Gomez wanted at least two and an option for a third, which, for a 33-year-old player (??), is asking a lot. DCU balked and decided to pursue a marquee player.

In exchange, DCU received a DP slot, which is tenatively help by Emilio but may very well be filled by a new player this year, and a first-round draft choice.

End of story.

Posted by: Goff | May 22, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

By and large, I actually Payne isn't the problem. He has proven to make incredible deals and aquisitions throughout his tenure here. He has also shown his ability to clear away his mistakes (Filomena, Donnet, etc). Those guys lasted a year or less. I would be willing to accept that Soehn is worth pf blame, but Payne brought top quality players (Niell excluded) and Soehn should be able to bring them together and win some games. The let downs are as much his fault as the players.

Posted by: moreno4prez | May 22, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree with Freds' 3. While I agree his finishing left alot to be desired, I thought his hussle and creativity helped to make us look at least a little dangerous. I didn't see that with him out of the line up. While of course MC T screwed the pooch on the goal, I thought Wells deserved at least a little of the blame. A keeper should in that situation hold his line just a bit better and he should also be advising the defender what to do ("out!!" or "my feet"). At one point in his bungling, I thought I saw MC T look up towards Wells looking for direction and Wells wasn't saying a word. Sometimes it's hard when the opposition is on your back to tell exactly where you need to go with the ball. That's where the keeper comes in to let him know what to do.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

here is a thought. since emilio as our 2nd DP is worthless, lets dump him. we use that DP slot on a non glamorous position. Dare I say goalie? Pay Keller to come back to the US with United before he goes to Seattle.

Give Doe or Quaranta the slot up front, and start winning games 1-0. If we had a decent goalie, our record would be a little better.

*** Disclaimer -- The above is not a realistic scenario, however, it makes me feel a little better.

Posted by: steve-o | May 22, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

p.s. I also think Soehn has to go, but for different reasons than most. I think he is on the verge of losing this team, if he hasn't lost it already. They just don't seem to be responding to him.

Posted by: steve-o | May 22, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

DC United, do you like to score goals?

We would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train.
Not in a car. Not in a tree.
We do not like them, Steve, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
We will not score them here or there.
We do not like them anywhere!

Apologies to Theodore Giesel and DC United Fans. From there to here, from here to there, missed opportunities are everywhere.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | May 22, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Sure -

We can dump Tommy - but Jose or Sven or anyone else isn't walking through the door tomorrow to straighten this team out.

1996-1999 4 Up Years

2000-2003 4 Down Years

2004-2007 4 Up Years

2008 - 2011 4 Down Years - but at least VW Park will be open by then?

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | May 22, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

I came in second in Lindsay's caption contest.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/crowdnoise/2008/05/caption_contest_winners.html

FIRE ME!

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | May 22, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Gallardo a 5??????? Other than his cross that Fred headed into Sutton, I saw a lot of poor soccer (i.e. turnovers and botched free kicks/corners) coming from the $1.9 million dollar man.

Posted by: Christian Gomez | May 22, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

We can all complain about the defense as much as we want, but the BOTTOM LINE is:
if you don't score, you will NEVER win.
This situation is now past critical, headed for fatal. Again, WHY did we shake up last years team so drastically??

Posted by: Mike | May 22, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I still for the life of me cannot understand why people feel that inserting Gomez into this team would do any good.

You still have the same suspect defending that loses its marks. You still have some of the finest goal keeping this side of a U11 girls game. And you still have some of the most negative soccer being played in the attacking third I've seen since the US's 1994 and 1998 World Cups.

The commentary was spot on last night during the telecast - the movement stagnates as it goes forward as players wait for something creative to be done by the individual with the ball and to be found in scoring position. The runs off the ball, the counter attacks, the movement to put defenses off balance is not there. That's the sure sign of a team that just doesn't know what it's doing together and is not comfortable with finding and knowing what's going on.

The team made a lot of changes and we're just going to have to hope that we can at least gel for SuperLiga and Champions League because that's all we're playing for right now.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | May 22, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Well, the fact is, the team was shaken up in an effort to improve. It is pointless to look back and navel-gaze about that. Its done. We need to look at now, and where we go from here.

So, what now? Payne isn't going anywhere. Changes start from the bottom up. Some players may get traded, but you can't fire all the players. Wells' days are likely numbered. Soehn will likely be shown the door. Possibily Kasper as well.

Once these things are done, and if there is no improvement, only then does Payne's job security come into question.

Posted by: Ron | May 22, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

McTavish has a shocker. I'd have given him a 2. And that was by far the worst game I've ever seen Jaime Moreno play in. I would need both of my hands to count the number of times he coughed up the ball. Sorry, Goff. Moreno gets no more than a 2 as well.

Posted by: BK | May 22, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Very Random Thoughts:

Have to agree that Fred was better than a 3. His two finishing efforts were bad, but at least he was in position for them as opposed to any other DCU player.

Martinez came forward several times and played with hustle. Not always the greatest footwork with the ball, but at least he tried and the defense didn't break down on the counterattack when he came forward. Thought he deserved better than a 5.

Not sure Moreno deserved even a 4...he was way off last night.

Really? Some of you think Doe is a good option up front? What have you seen that you based that on?

How about Quaranta up front? He doesn't give you squat for service from the right flank. Take your pick from the bench for a replacement...it won't be much worse.

Peralta scares me in the back. Gawky, often appears to have no sense of when to turn on the jets (if he has them).

Wells is so inconsistent. Looks in charge at times, looks lost at other times.

Hope Niell and Dyachenko get the message...they both richly deserved not to dress for the game based on their poor play.

Posted by: BillyBob | May 22, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Arguez - Who can blame him for wanting to leave and for DC for taking money for a guy who never set foot on the pitch for us.

Boswell - He was the Goat for defensive lapses last year.

Gros - Hurt

Olsen - Hurt

Perkins - Got an offer he and United couldn't refuse.

Vanney - Old and not that good.

Gomez - Wanting guaranteed money, which would have been fine for this year - but it's the risk you take on the subsequent years due to age and injury that weren't working and Colorado was willing to help.

Kpene, Moose, Addlery - Didn't score and weren't showing enough to keep their spots here/probably didn't really want to live in the slums of DC for Developmental Money.

So there - yeah the team was playing well but there were issues that were coming up in 2007 and 2006 that were preventing the team from taking that next step. Some of the players were not welcome back so you can't count on them. A few wanted to stay but couldn't come to an agreement. A few were injured and a few got offers from abroad that the team was OK with taking. Now you can say, why did we sell Perkins and Bryan but both got offers and both wanted to go. In Troy's case you were going to HAVE to pay him some serious money as he was a top keeper in this league but with his second stream of income gone, and an offer to improve himself in another league it was a good deal. Bryan never played for us so what's the miss over a guy who never set foot on the first team pitch?

The team had to make changes and they didn't. Second guessing them is useless and paralysis by analysis. The only thing you can now look at is try to find a system to get this team working or get off your butt and teach some ESL classes to those guys or teach Spanish to our domestic players.

Posted by: Virgina Blue Blood | May 22, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

What's the point of harping on the Gomez blow-up? He's gone and he's not coming back.

Frankly, all other things being equal, I think that DC improved their talent at the position by picking up Gallardo. The guy is tied for the lead in team goals as a distributing midfielder. The real problem up front is that we don't have the kind of attack that Gallardo is going to thrive in. Frankly, the way our strikers are playing this year, I doubt that Gomez would be having much more success.

Since it looks like we're pretty much shot this year anyway, I think the Front Office's best plan is to go out and find (somewhere) a young, fast penetrating forward. He doesn't have to be an international-quality player, but he needs to be able to provide Gallardo with a downfield target. If we're going to run an offense around this guy, we need to actually build an offense around this guy.

Two other things:
1.) That field last night looked worse than the green plastic rug I used to play indoor games on in 3rd grade. Disgraceful.
2.) If Peralta would have just snapped and punched Dichio in the fact last night, I would have considered the game a moral victory.

Posted by: Matt In Silver Spring | May 22, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Gallardo is only tied in the team lead for goals because no one else on the team can score.

Shouldn't have played hardball with Gomez and just given him the 2 years guaranteed

Posted by: Laffo | May 22, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Its becoming obvious we have collected a group of losers. DC United have to take a look in the mirror and realize its just not working and retinker, make trades, fire and hire new people. This team just stinks...STINKS! To think Pachuca actually lost to this team in the second leg... wow.

Posted by: Felix | May 22, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

DCU outshot them 11-6, at least...

Posted by: RK | May 22, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Martinez was doing what everyone else should have done...move the ball forward. He did the right moves by trying to move forward instead of pausing, pass back, pass sideways, pass back to goalie. I HATE it when they do that. When they don't have to.

I was actually switching between this game and the UEFA Champions League final and I wondered why did the play look better there. Probably because they moved the ball forward. They ran up the wings. They crossed the ball in front of the goal.

They need to try and move the ball forward more instead of being so cautious.

Posted by: Himes | May 22, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I am not a coach. But I can tell you by just playing FIFA 06 that if you get rid of a lot of players and bring in a bunch of new players, your team chemistry is going to go down.

That means you won't be able to win as many games because the players don't know each other well enough.

Posted by: Himes | May 22, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to side with the "last night was not the end of the world" brigade. Match was played away, against a sound opponent on what appeared to be buttered Plexiglas. Passing and movement much better with Fred back (3??). A woeful mistake cost them a useful draw.

I think that United will give Toronto another thorough pasting at RFK on Saturday. All is not lost... yet. At least they're getting back to fitness. Prediction: 5-1, Emilio hat-trick.

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm seriously bummed.

But Fred moved well. Thank goodness he took my advice to take some time off to rest his leg.

I think we're in for a pleasant surprise this weekend, however. Perhaps it's my Allegra kicking in, but I feel a pummelin' coming Toronto's way at RFK.

Posted by: Joe Doc | May 22, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

* Gomez is "a 33-year-old player (??)" -- Mr. Goff what do you mean with the question marks?

* At the time of the Gomez deal, the rap here was "wait and see." Fair enough. Now that we've seen, the rap is "what's the point of harping on it, it's done." It's a blog, the whole point is harping. Letting him go does not look good now, and for many it did not look good at the time either.

*I wish Dichio was on our team. Oh yeah, he's 33 (??) too, in fact he's older than Gomez. McTavish jumped on his back and still couldn't bring him down. Comical.

Posted by: Old WNT Fan | May 22, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

In the preseason before 2004, Nowak's first season, I remember the coach, Kevin Payne and players like Earnie Stewart making a big deal out of a simple philosophy: take lots of shots. Why? Because if you take lots of shots, eventually they'll start going in.

There have been a lot of differences with this season's club and recent ones, but to me the biggest one is lack of aggressiveness near the goal. When playing well they get lots of possession, but you've also got to take guys on and take shots. They shouldn't be bad shots, but they don't always have to be great ones.

I think this team's defense is actually decent, and it's been beleaguered by an attack that's constantly coughing up the ball after making lots of cute passes in the search for the perfect shot.

Obviously there's no simple solution to this team's woes. But if I could tell them one thing, it would be ATTACK!!!

Posted by: Speculatin' on a Hypothesis | May 22, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, all other things being equal, I think that DC improved their talent at the position by picking up Gallardo. The guy is tied for the lead in team goals as a distributing midfielder.

Posted by: Matt In Silver Spring | May 22, 2008 8:58 AM
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That's really not saying much.

Posted by: N. Daknow | May 22, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

the promise to myself to not watch away games is paying off!

Posted by: mizage | May 22, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

What did I say yesterday as soon as I saw Quaranta was slated to start at Right Mid?

"Q on the wing = Another United Loss"

I'm tired of seeing Tommy play Quaranta out of position, and had Martinez been the one who made McTavish's gaff, he'd have been able to muscle Dichio off the ball.

i.e. McTavish should have been at Right Mid, Martinez at LCB, Burch starting at LB... But noooo... Soehn would rather keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

PLAY QUARANTA UP TOP.

He can't do any worse than Moreno has this year.

Posted by: AlecW81 | May 22, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

This is the loss we played best in out of all our losses. The back four or Namoff, Gonzo P, Mctavish & Gonzo M would have but for a minute of madness given us our first shut-out. McTavishes error seemed uncharacteristic but Wells being caught out of position is characteristic, unfortunately. If Jose Carvallho doesn't start on Saturday he must be doing something really wrong in practice.

Having Fred back improved our midfield a lot. He might be the only player on the same page as Gallardo right now. 90 minutes for him on Saturday would be great.

Not sure what the best forward line is, but this game gave me hope that the team is fixable and it would have been a tie on any other night. Lets hope they prove it on Saturday.

Posted by: bluemeanies | May 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Some random thoughts . . .

Is it just me or does Greg Sutton look like the spawn of Keith Van Horn and the guy who played Greg Brady?

Fred's presence made a huge difference, despite his subpar play . . . now if we could just get some speed up top. We don't even need blazing speed, just above-average, to be able to spread the field a little bit and take advantage of Gallardo's service. Can't we just sign the fastest striker in one of the second tier Central/South American leagues? I really think that speed up top will make a huge difference. Oh, and having at least one competent wing player would be nice to, but that may be asking too much.

Gallardo's strengths are not complementary to Moreno's and Emilio's in the way Gomez's were. No way those three should ever be on the field at the same time, other than warmups. The front office should've seen this, and apparently they didn't. IMO, the bulk of the blame for our lack of any coherent attack lies with the FO.

That said, I think Soehn should start packing his bags, but hopefully, Kasper will be right there with him.

And yes, Wells is a step down from Perkins, but really, this team was supposed to be built to score goals, and so far they have not, and without some personnel changes, will not. That is the bigger problem.

Posted by: Greenbelt United | May 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, you can't fire the whole front office or whoever made these personnel decisions. But let's face it--they've been a collective disaster. And people saw it at the time.

Just to recap: could have kept Gomez, used slots/money to rebuild defense, replace Gros and Perkins, etc. And of course, there's Arguez, who somehow wasn't good enough to set foot on the pitch for MLS (or at least for Tom Soehn), and then went to the Bundesliga 1. Wouldn't you like to have him in midfield or defense about now?

So--dump Soehn, and see what can be made of this mess. Sit Wells, and get a strong keeper to anchor the defense (not, I admit, a DC United philosophy, but look at teams with keepers like Matt Reiss or Pat Onstad--works for them).

Posted by: macheath | May 22, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

You guys are smoking DC's finest crack if you think DC will take it to Toronto this weekend. I hope they lose and are shutout so Soehn is gone Monday morning.

Posted by: peridigm | May 22, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

As mentioned above... 100% of the shots you don't take, don't go in. - Wayne Gretzky

Posted by: AlecW81 | May 22, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Obviously there's no simple solution to this team's woes. But if I could tell them one thing, it would be ATTACK!!!

Posted by: Speculatin' on a Hypothesis | May 22, 2008 9:30 AM
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I could not agree with you more. Excellent post, I did not quote it all due to the length. You mention one key thing, which is that Nowak had a philosophy. Soehn does not.

Believe me the wheels are in motion and the only reason we do not have a new coach is because there are none available. This may come down to replacing Soehn in-house.

I still wish they would scout coaches in South America, which would match our player's style. (this is why Bruce would not be a good fit. that and he's only had success when coaching talented players)

Posted by: N. Daknow | May 22, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

You guys are smoking DC's finest crack if you think DC will take it to Toronto this weekend. I hope they lose and are shutout so Soehn is gone Monday morning.

Posted by: peridigm | May 22, 2008 9:42 AM

Way to hope for the best. Remember this?

Toronto FC (0-2-0) vs. D.C. United (1-1-0)
April 05, 2008 -- RFK Stadium

DC -- Luciano Emilio 1 (Devon McTavish 1, Clyde Simms 1) 2
DC -- Santino Quaranta 1 (unassisted) 5
DC -- Marcelo Gallardo 1 (Santino Quaranta 1, Devon McTavish 1) 52
DC -- Jaime Moreno 1 (Franco Niell 1, Fred 1) 78
TOR -- Maurice Edu 1 (Jim Brennan 1) 88

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Arguez? Please. He had a shot to play in Bundesliga 1, and DC wasn't going to get in the way, and even made some money from it.

Posted by: RK | May 22, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

You guys are smoking DC's finest crack if you think DC will take it to Toronto this weekend. I hope they lose and are shutout so Soehn is gone Monday morning.

Posted by: peridigm | May 22, 2008 9:42 AM

Nope. Allegra. Good stuff.

Posted by: Joe Doc | May 22, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

D.C. looked to be simply unlucky in this game - they missed 2 absolutely gimmies, one by Emilio (though his was after a difficult run) and one by Fred. They just need a breakthrough game, where they get a bunch of these chances to go in.

Posted by: Gene | May 22, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

DC took great steps yesterday. Yeah they lost. Yeah finishing sucked. Yeah bad defensive mistake. But DC really did dominate most of the pitch, just not the most important final third. I think they will come out with a big win Saturday. Our team is too good not to. We've gotten past the injury bug. The rest of the league can't count us out.

I thought that Emilio finally looked hungry. The effort was there. He's due. He doesn't suck. He has just been lazy and out of form. Now he looks on the upswing.

Posted by: Dave | May 22, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I haven't been a huge Fred fan in the past, but I thought he made a big difference in improving our quality of play (if not results, obviously). Moreno was awful. Gallardo mediocre. Quaranta seems to have feet of concrete sometimes. He was all over the field last night, but didn't accomplish anything. And we need a new goalkeeper.

Posted by: Terp | May 22, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it was black shirt but the team aside from some rust looked better last night. Emilio did a lot less standing around and made an effort to come back a bit and help in defense. Martinez,and Namoff pushed forward a bit as well.
Fred will get back to himself soon enough and i thought his defensive effort was already there. Did anyone expect him to come in and win the game after being hurt for weeks?
DC would have had a 1-1 draw last night if it wasn't for the cinderblocks for feet that Wells has. We would have scored first.
Douchio would have equalized.\
The team we had start last night is the team we need on the field minus the worthless goalie.
YO BEN OLSEN: Evict his worthless ass. If anyone needs to be called out by Olsen it's Wells.
As for Gomez...
Gallardo has two goals of the week this season what does Gomer have? Couple nice assists I know but What?

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Gallardo has two goals of the week this season what does Gomer have? Couple nice assists I know but What?

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 9:59 AM

And Gallardo put an inch perfect cross right on to Fred's noggin last night. I thought he had some good moments. Steve's player ratings skew very low - Gallardo was more of a 6/7.

Didier Drogba spurned chances and got sent off in extra time, but the Guardian awarded him a 6. Better than Gallardo and Fred?

Oh and I'm now absolutely with Wilbon on the Toronto streamer issue - ridiculous. They think they're trying to build an international soccer environment? No way you get away with that in Europe - in fact, a club would probably be fined for fans disrupting play like that.

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I hate to loose faith so early on, but it just seems like the same problems have existed for a few years running; no speed or wing play and the players they brought in don't fill either of those holes. So the off-season moves=zero gain.

Then there's Emilio, I'm getting tired of hearing this crap about him not getting any service, he gets plenty of touches but the skills just aren't there physically or mentally to actually create anything. Hey Emilio it's called a "Give and Go" not "Give and hold on to the ball too long and turn it over." He's like watching a giant thumb with thumb legs and feet stumble around on the field. I don't think he could trap and control a beach ball at this point, even if he wasn't a giant thumb.

The only thing to say about Wells is DOA. Next. Speaking of which I'm counting the days until I see Mr. Goff write something like "Seohn the Exit, DC United coach is released," because after watching him once again sub-in a D-Midfielder when United is losing makes about as much sense as bringing in a second keeper, no actually that makes more sense, 2 keepers minding the posts is about the only thing that could help DC's defense at this point.

I just don't think there is anyway to turn this titanic around any time soon without a serious change at the helm. It's starting to look and fell like the Dark Ages of the Hudson era all over again. At least he had a talking dog named Punky to give him advice as well as a few memorable lines. The only thing I'll remember about Soehn is he looked like a used car dealer who was selling me a Ford Focus but kept telling me it was a Porsche.

I think the official BBB campaign should start now: BRING BACK BRUCE!!!!

Posted by: Shaun | May 22, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The word is LOSE. Not loose. Sheesh.

Posted by: Grammar police | May 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of seeing Tommy play Quaranta out of position, and had Martinez been the one who made McTavish's gaff, he'd have been able to muscle Dichio off the ball.

i.e. McTavish should have been at Right Mid, Martinez at LCB, Burch starting at LB... But noooo... Soehn would rather keep repeating the same mistake over and over.

PLAY QUARANTA UP TOP.

He can't do any worse than Moreno has this year

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Soehn plays people out of position. That's why Fred keeps being ineffective out on that left flank, always wanting to cut in above the box and never taking it wide to provide service. Couple that with nobody on the right wing who plays like a winger, and the team keeps hammering away through a congested center of the field.

This really was like the first match for this team, as they were finally in a formation that at least gave them a chance. Now they need to get to know each other -- where they'll be on the pitch, what runs they will make.

Like i said before, Soehn coaches like a man with no flashlight in a dark, dark cave.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | May 22, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

As for Gomez...
Gallardo has two goals of the week this season what does Gomer have? Couple nice assists I know but What?

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 9:59 AM

Typical fan...and I suppose Emilio's 20 goals last season made him a great player. No, actually he was a poacher, which is fine when you have a player like Gomez causing havoc around the box.

You're judging a player on stats...instead you should probably analyze their style of play, their impact on a game, and their ability to make the other 10 players better. No one is going to do it on their own.

Posted by: N. Daknow | May 22, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

We are an ordinary team, with mostly ordinary players, ordinary ideas and an ordinary coach. Accordingly we cannot hold well, finish well or defend well. Our competition has learned to sit back and defend knowing our weaknesses will show themselves, particularly on the counterattack. Teams with speed up top and someone able to deliver a ball will cream us (LA, NY, Houston, NE).

PS; Wells was as responsible for the goal as McTavish for he failed to direct the poor sap to simply "clear" the ball. Did anyone else note that he also chased after a Toronto attacker who was already covered by our defender and then saw the cross go right by him and fortunately past his wide open goal.

Posted by: Ruthie | May 22, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Wells needs to open up his pie hole and start communicating with his defenders! It seems like EVERY game there's at least one point where I can tell the fullback doesnt know what to do with the ball because he is facing Wells....and Wells does and says nothing. Time for Carvallo.
And yes I know McT shoulda turned the ball outside not inside.......Wells shoulda reminded him.

Posted by: boda united | May 22, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

If the choice is between firing Soehn and hiring Bruce Arena or keeping Soehn for the rest of the season I'm keeping Soehn. Bruce is not the answer people, hasn't the other Football team in town shown that bringing back a legendary coach from another era is not neccesarily the best way to move forward? If Soehn is fired I hope that the list is a lot more creative than that.

Posted by: bluemeanies | May 22, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Didier Drogba spurned chances and got sent off in extra time, but the Guardian awarded him a 6. Better than Gallardo and Fred?

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:06 AM

Are you kidding? On Drogba's worst day he's better.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Soehn plays people out of position. That's why Fred keeps being ineffective out on that left flank, always wanting to cut in above the box and never taking it wide to provide service. Couple that with nobody on the right wing who plays like a winger, and the team keeps hammering away through a congested center of the field.

This really was like the first match for this team, as they were finally in a formation that at least gave them a chance. Now they need to get to know each other -- where they'll be on the pitch, what runs they will make.

Like i said before, Soehn coaches like a man with no flashlight in a dark, dark cave.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | May 22, 2008 10:10 AM

I don't blame Soehn for guys having to play out of position. Fred was brought in to play on the left - the club have a #10 and plenty of forwards. No one was brought in to replace Gros. No one was brought in to replace Benny (even though his prognosis came to light recently). Soehn is putting players out to fill positions because they're all he has at his disposal.

I blame the Payne/Kasper philosophy of "you can't have too many forwards". Yes you can, when you end up with 6 mediocre forwards and a sh*t midfield!

That said, Soehn needs to do a better job of preparing this squad to communicate and get results.

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone else note that he also chased after a Toronto attacker who was already covered by our defender and then saw the cross go right by him and fortunately past his wide open goal.

Posted by: Ruthie | May 22, 2008 10:13 AM

ABSOLUTELY! I was wondering what he was thinking. Completely out of place and simply ball watching.

The bad news is that Carvalho hasn't shown that he's any better during practice. I think we should put him in anyways. He can't be any worse.

Posted by: N. Daknow | May 22, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh and I'm now absolutely with Wilbon on the Toronto streamer issue - ridiculous. They think they're trying to build an international soccer environment? No way you get away with that in Europe - in fact, a club would probably be fined for fans disrupting play like that.

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:06 AM

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How Don Garber can claim that the streamers don't negatively effect the game is beyond me. We had no less than 4 corners that were absolutely botched due in large part to those things. There should be no place for it in MLS.

Posted by: BK | May 22, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

You don't rate players on their transfer value or overall talent - but on what they offered their team on the day. He offered spurned chances and a disadvantage to his side in penalties. Terry wouldn't have taken the 5th penalty if Drogba hadn't been sent off.

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

You're judging a player on stats...instead you should probably analyze their style of play, their impact on a game, and their ability to make the other 10 players better. No one is going to do it on their own.

Posted by: N. Daknow | May 22, 2008 10:12 AM


You know this stuff can actually be proven with stats too ya know.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

And yes I know McT shoulda turned the ball outside not inside.......Wells shoulda reminded him.

Posted by: boda united | May 22, 2008 10:13 AM

C'mon, a U-10 player knows that and doesn't have to be reminded by his keeper. I like McTavish as much as anyone, but can't the Wells haters simply acknowledge that McTavish owns this mistake? There's enough problems with Wells' game without assigning blame that's not his.

Posted by: BillyBob | May 22, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

You don't rate players on their transfer value or overall talent - but on what they offered their team on the day. He offered spurned chances and a disadvantage to his side in penalties. Terry wouldn't have taken the 5th penalty if Drogba hadn't been sent off.

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:22 AM


You so sure? I would have thought #2 Bellletti would have not taken his if Didier was around

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

You know this stuff can actually be proven with stats too ya know.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:22 AM

If you say so. The greatest scouts are great for their ability to see the intangibles.

Posted by: N. Daknow | May 22, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You so sure? I would have thought #2 Bellletti would have not taken his if Didier was around

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:25 AM

Terry 2nd - Drogba 5th? I'm not sure either, but I'm still glad they lost ;-) Not that I'm happy about United winning.

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

another thought for all the Gomez missers out here (and I miss him too) he wanted three years (his option, not the team's, as I recall) I can't blame him, he's got a future to think about. BUT, how do we think he'll be at 36? exactly how many productive AMs are there at the age of 36? anyone want to be on the hook for $400k for a 36 year old playmaker? Yes, Gomez will probably have better stats than Gallardo for the first half of this year, that happens in a new league. it takes playmakers some time to gel with their teammates and he hasn't exactly had a full squad around him for long, right? the injury monkey is a fickle one, and we got slammed this year, so far.

second off. raise your hand if you were happy with the Supporter's Shield and losing to Chicago and Chivas (let alone Harrisburg) in elimination rounds? if the front office had said "hey, that's perfectly good, let's mortgage 2009 and 2010 to do that again" we'd all be the first ones screaming for their heads. That's what makes DCU the most ambitious club in MLS, and the fans the most demanding. yes, we could have kept the same club and won our third straight supporter's shield. fabulous. I think we all have higher goals than that.

that said, it's time to start gelling, already. it's time for Simms to start protecting Gallardo, it's time for El Muñeco to make three of those passes to Fred a night, not just one. and it's time for Wells to grow up. now.

Posted by: northzax | May 22, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Oh and I'm now absolutely with Wilbon on the Toronto streamer issue - ridiculous. They think they're trying to build an international soccer environment? No way you get away with that in Europe - in fact, a club would probably be fined for fans disrupting play like that."

seriously - it wasn't just unfurled streamers, you could see unrolled spools of streamers hitting gallardo in the lower leg in the run up to his corner kicks. is it any wonder every single one of our corner kicks was awful?

Posted by: pat | May 22, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

you tell em matthai!!!

Posted by: steve-o | May 22, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

All I can say about Toronto is their HORRIBLE Turf and short concrete sideline that players fall and hit hard. MLS should fine them for pitch like that. Saw Gallardo fallen hard and hurt. Not only hurt the opposing teams but also will hurt their own team. The more and more I see, more I am disgusted with their pitch and the fans throwing streamers to the players making atmostpher so unattractive.
MLS HQ! You see that as a positive???
Streamer is only cool when throwing in the air within the fans at the beginning of the game or when scores. Anything throwing on the field or towards the players should absolutely be banned and fined the club itself.

Posted by: TD | May 22, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

ABS: Anybody But Soehn.

Well, not *anybody*. But it is a given that Soehn is in over his head, and is NOT the answer.

I have no problem with bringing in Bruce Arena. He did not become a bad coach just because he did not turn things around in New York as fast as the owners would have liked.

And comparing bringing back Bruce Arena with bringing back Joe Gibbs is absurd. Joe Gibbs was out of coaching from the NFL for 12 years. Arena has been out, what, a year?

But it is unlikely BA will be coming back. Hire an MLS assistant coach. Hire an international coach. Harkes, ABMOD, Etcheverry, fine with me. Just hire somebody who can coach at this level. Soehn can't. That much is certain. Keeping him around is not the answer.

Posted by: Ron | May 22, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

""Oh and I'm now absolutely with Wilbon on the Toronto streamer issue - ridiculous. They think they're trying to build an international soccer environment? No way you get away with that in Europe - in fact, a club would probably be fined for fans disrupting play like that."

seriously - it wasn't just unfurled streamers, you could see unrolled spools of streamers hitting gallardo in the lower leg in the run up to his corner kicks. is it any wonder every single one of our corner kicks was awful?"

you know what will be fun? when TFC is down a goal, and the opposing team can kill several minutes on a corner clearing away streamers. What referee is going to card someone for timewasting when the home crowd is littering the field?

I've joined the Wilbon crowd now (this is the first game I've seen at BMO this year live on TV) streamers after a goal is fine, the occaisional one is entertaining. but that many really does interfere with the play of the game. on a corner, why not a throw in as well? should the Barra all carry a streamer and throw them simultaneously at the first TFC throw in or corner in front of them? imagine 250 red and black streamers in Amado's way...

Posted by: northzax | May 22, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Quaranta has regressed since his first 2 years into the league. At that point, he looked like he could become as good as what Justin Mapp is today. He had speed, strength, fearless ability to take on players. Unfortunately, fame came to his head and now is merely a hard-working ordinary player. You could switch a good A-League player with him and not notice the difference.

We should have never traded Mapp anyway and instead let him play and develop.

Posted by: Charisma_Man | May 22, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

You know this stuff can actually be proven with stats too ya know.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:22 AM

If you say so. The greatest scouts are great for their ability to see the intangibles.

Posted by: N. Daknow | May 22, 2008 10:26 AM


You can probably quantify and turn those into statistics too. ;)

I can see your point if you said there are a lot more stats out there to judge the quality of a player than just goals and assists.

I'll give you a hint too, all the great scouts use stats to judge players too, some even have formulas of what they think is important but they won't share it, instead they may just say a player has great 'intangibles'.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"Soehn the Exit" is a great headline, but that kind of pun is New York Post, not Washington Post, material.

The more games I see, the more I'm convinced that Soehn needs to go, and I actually really like Tommy Soehn. But he's getting less than the sum of the parts with United.

Not sure the parts are as good as billed, though. Quaranta looks fitter, but not better, than he has recently. At his new salary, he's a decent player, but he doesn't need to be more than a sub, and moving him up top or to the middle wouldn't help. He could be a Dempsey-type attacking utility man, but he doesn't have the right instincts, the speed of thought, or the work ethic of Dempsey.

Simms misses Olsen badly. He used to get a little more time and another passing option. Now, except for his long shot, he's very ordinary.

Fred just looked rusty, I wouldn't worry much about him. He's a very good player. It also occurs to me that he would get the best value in a trade, with his relatively high salary and the fact that he's not in his preferred position.

The defense is not communicating. Wells' biggest flaw was organizing his defense, way worse than his positioning mistakes. That's a big "I told you so"-- that call-up gave some people the wrong idea about how good Wells really is. He's decidedly mediocre (though a very nice guy).

Toronto at RFK should be three points, if the D can hold.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | May 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Hire BRUCE ARENA. Then have BEN OLSEN be his top assistant coach with the thought in mind that he will take the reigns eventually.

These moves, coupled with a total re-thinking of the scouting process (for example: NO MORE TRIPS TO SOUTH AMERICA TO FIND 3RD RATE PLAYERS THAT ARE TOTALLY OVER-RATED!!!!!!!!!) and DCU will be back in business.

Posted by: I'll say it again... | May 22, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I'll give you a hint too, all the great scouts use stats to judge players too, some even have formulas of what they think is important but they won't share it, instead they may just say a player has great 'intangibles'.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:47 AM

Is there anything like an OPTA index available for MLS players (that fans can see)? Just curious.

Interesting article on Premier League teams looking in to stats more and more...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/apr/19/newsstory.sport11

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

There's enough problems with Wells' game without assigning blame that's not his.
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I disagree, if the ball had been moving a speed than sure but it was barely rolling as it went by Wells. To me its just another example of his inablity to commit and get down on a ball.

Posted by: John | May 22, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

There's enough problems with Wells' game without assigning blame that's not his.
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I disagree, if the ball had been moving a speed than sure but it was barely rolling as it went by Wells. To me its just another example of his inablity to commit and get down on a ball.

Posted by: John | May 22, 2008 10:54 AM


I'm with you he didn't react at all and just watched the ball roll by him at the speed a 6 year old rolls a bowling ball.

He should have saved it.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should just gun for the US Open Cup? At this rate, that might be the only chance DCU has of staying in international tournaments...

Posted by: Juan-John | May 22, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

We've gone over this a thousand times.

The money was not the issue. Guaranteed years -- which are rare in MLS -- were.

Gomez wanted at least two and an option for a third, which, for a 33-year-old player (??), is asking a lot. DCU balked and decided to pursue a marquee player.

In exchange, DCU received a DP slot, which is tenatively help by Emilio but may very well be filled by a new player this year, and a first-round draft choice.

End of story.


Posted by: Goff | May 22, 2008 7:38 AM

Yea, I heard that already. But the fact is Gomez DID sign with an MLS squad. So someone in MLS was able to make him happy.

What I can't figure out is why the DCU brain trust figured he was expendable and Colorado take advantage of his abilities. I think some commentary about the boneheadedness of this decision needs to be discussed.

I know you are just a reporter that's why I think a columnist should handle this. Just think if the an NFL team let a still productive MVP quarterback walk. I don't think the response in the paper of record would be: "Oh well, que sera".

Posted by: Tommie | May 22, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

giving fred a three is idotic

Posted by: fred? | May 22, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yes, he signed with Colorado because they gave him the guaranteed years he wanted.

Get over it.

He's gone.

If Gomez were here now, we'd be just as bad, if not worse.

Posted by: AlecW81 | May 22, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

only then does Payne's job security come into question . . .

and the troubles will continue . . . disease not symptoms

Posted by: AnybodyButPayne | May 22, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone tested Gallardo for color blindness??

Posted by: Etch | May 22, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Just think if the an NFL team let a still productive MVP quarterback walk. I don't think the response in the paper of record would be: "Oh well, que sera".

Posted by: Tommie | May 22, 2008 11:08 AM


I'll take your analogy, it isn't like they dumped Ben Roethlisberger for a 4th round draft choice, they let Brett Farve go and picked up a younger Payton Manning instead.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I think front office types see Wells as having physical tools and stature. What is left out is the leadership and reactions under fire. My high school keepers would never have let that ball through -- it may have been a pk and carded foul, but they were way too aggressive to let anyone walk in like that.

Worse than that, McTavish runs like a girl.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | May 22, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

There's enough problems with Wells' game without assigning blame that's not his.
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I disagree, if the ball had been moving a speed than sure but it was barely rolling as it went by Wells. To me its just another example of his inablity to commit and get down on a ball.

Posted by: John | May 22, 2008 10:54 AM


I'm with you he didn't react at all and just watched the ball roll by him at the speed a 6 year old rolls a bowling ball.

He should have saved it.

Posted by: Matthai | May 22, 2008 10:59 AM

Some reading comprehension in context would have indicated to you that I was adressing boda united's issue that Wells should have told McT to take the ball outside. I agree with both of you that Wells should have committed to either hold his line or charge out and get down on the ball. That should not have been a goal, but McT set it up by creating the opportunity to begin with (as Goff points out in his article).

Posted by: BillyBob | May 22, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Yes, he signed with Colorado because they gave him the guaranteed years he wanted.

Get over it.

He's gone.

If Gomez were here now, we'd be just as bad, if not worse.

Posted by: AlecW81 | May 22, 2008 11:13 AM


Well said Alec.

Posted by: BillyBob | May 22, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain why, with the alleged language issues, was McTavish slotted in between the 2 Spanish speakers? Why not put him in next to Namoff, and Peralta next to Martinez?

Posted by: Soy United! | May 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

How to tell DC United isn't good this year:

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3644594

At least we'll all get a week to relive past glory!

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | May 22, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

tommie:

MLS is both a marathon and a sprint. Colorado has nothing to lose, so signing a player to a too long contract wasn't a big deal for them. DCU has expectations, both this year and in two years time. we can't afford a broken down midfielder in 2010. we plan to be good then, and with the cap, there's nothing you can do with a player you have under contract but eat the time until he leaves. the Rapids weren't using the DP slot, either, so giving it up was only an opportunity cost analysis of what they could have gotten for it in trade.

maybe Christian will still be a productive $350k player in this league in 2010, for his sake, I hope he is. but the odds are against it. significantly against it. we didn't spend the winter looking for a player to take us from pitiful to decent, we were looking to go from good to excellent. that's the difference between DCU and Colorado. if they stink in 2010, they will have at least had a decent year in the interim. if we stink in 2010, heads roll.

as for your quarterback analogy. it's not uncommon, actually, for an aging but still productive QB to go looking for a longer term deal (or pitcher, or whatever) on a lesser team (you also see people take shorter, cheaper deals on better teams to win a ring) if the home club doesn't feel that the guy can help them get better, and will probably start to decline, they are smart to offload him, right? who thinks Mark Brunell was worth $4.5 million last year? anyone?

Posted by: northzax | May 22, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

If Gomez were here it would be worse? How could it be worse?

Gomez is 14 months older than Gallardo. Favre is 6 1/2 years older than Manning.

Gallardo has 2 guaranteed years with $1.9M this year. Gomez wanted 3, and all three together would have been less than Gallardo's 1st year. The question was not, what will Gomez be playing like when he is 36, but what would it cost you to buy him out if it didn't work out.

Posted by: Old WNT Fan | May 22, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

While I agree with most posters here that Soehn is not getting the most out of this team, I believe the real culprit this year is Dave Kasper.

1) We have absolutely no wing play to speak of (this has been a problem we've has since Earnie Stewart left)

2) Two of our attacking three are aging before our eyes (Emilio & Moreno) with a third probably not too far behind (Gallardo)

3) Our keeper looks like he mired in quicksand more often than not

4) We overvalued Sims at the expense of a proven central midfielder (Carroll)

5) And most importantly, with Olsen out there is no one left on the team with bite. Nellie, Dema, Petke, even Boswell were players who could change teh course of the game by their aggressive attitude.

Now we have a central defender who grabs his face every time Dickio brushes by him.

Posted by: Rick in Ashburn | May 22, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

re: "We should have never traded Mapp anyway and instead let him play and develop
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We shouldn't have let Diaz Arce go the first time, either. Or Jesse Marsch. Or...

Yeesh. This kind of "brilliant" analysis is really going to help DCY turn things around...

Posted by: Ron | May 22, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"Really? Some of you think Doe is a good option up front? What have you seen that you based that on?"

Luciano Emilio

Posted by: Gburg | May 22, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It was interesting to read about Man U this morning and Ferguson had to say about building success...

"People like Scholes and Giggs and Neville, it's not by accident they get to stay this long at the club," he said. "They know how to conduct themselves and they know what professional football means and they know what Manchester United means."

Injuries to Olsen and Gros aside, giving up on Gomez, Boswell, Perkins and yes even Vanney has a price. Perhaps the new influx will work out, but now we are betting the season on TS' ability to organize this team. However, the evidence suggests that TS has lost this team's willingness to play for him. Lose on Saturday and he has to go.

Posted by: Friendship Heights | May 22, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The Gomez trade was a brilliant trade by the FO because it gave DC a second DP slot; giving that second DP slot to Emilio was stupid beyond belief. That slot could have brought in a player in any number of the positions that are USL2 quality at the moment: keeper and winger.

With better service, Emilio will find his form. Gallardo's service just ain't enough. DC needs decent service from the wings.

With a better keeper (one who can actually ORGANIZE a defense), DC's defense could come together nicely. We have seen them play extremely well before, so I naively will believe that it is possible to get back to that. It won't happen with Wells though.

It just doesn't seem like Benny is coming back this season, so perhaps it is time to put him on that injured list and use his cap space to bring in a good winger. Then, get rid of Wells, and Carvallo if you have to, and find a good keeper.

Posted by: elopingcamel | May 22, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

no updates on dcunited!! fired Goff

Posted by: tommy soehn | May 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Elopingcamel (what a name!), I too am disgusted by the thought of Emilio taking DP money, but as I remember it, the deal also includes provisions that basically boil down to the fact that if Emilio performs, he can stay; but if not, he will be shipped off before September.

Posted by: hoyanick | May 22, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

N. Daknow I am far from a typical fan. I am just sick of all these people with a half homosexual crush on Christian Gomez, who can't just let him go, and rallying behind the #10 we have now.
Gallardo may not be the right fit for Emilio but #11 costs less than #10 so I think it's on Luci to make an adjustment. He did better and again it's nice to see some others were actually watching the game and not flipping between the CL replay and the game on Comcast(Goff included), and recognized Fred's effort.
He missed the header and should have finished that thing off but come on he was great for someone who's been out for weeks.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Goff, they occasionally post DCU and other MLS highlights on ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3404688&n8pe6c=3&categoryId=2731137

Might be a good option for those who, like me, have a lot of trouble with MLSNet videos.

Posted by: danj | May 22, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit that I only caught the second half of the match last night (4:30 start here on the West coast). But I came away both liking the style of play DC is pursuing, and convinced both that Soehn does not know how to coach it and that they may not have the personnel to play it effectively.

DC wants to spread the field and possess the ball. Pretty much the way the game is played in Argentina (decidedly NOT the style of play found in the EPL, which appears to be the most popular style on this blog and which the salary cap renders unachievable in MLS). Currently they have some trouble identifying and making the smart pass, retaining possession, and linking in the final third, and a great deal of trouble defending in the middle of the pitch. These weaknesses make them very susceptible to a negative, direct and very cynical counter-attacking style: pretty much exactly the style that New England, Houston, Columbus and Toronto play.

My solutions:
1) Fire Soehn. But dear God, do not by any means hire Bruce Arena! Try to find a South American coach (maybe an Argentinian?), or at least someone who understands this style of play better.
2) Let Emilio go, and try again to get Veron. He would provide more bite through the middle of the field, with excellent distribution skills.
3) Hope that the US begins to develop more players with the ball skills needed to play this style, and that the FO can identify them.

Not a quick fix, but I would much prefer watching this style than watching TFC play. I prefer the beautiful game to be beautiful.

Posted by: United in SF | May 22, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

from btb: "The reserves fell this morning to Toronto FC's reserves 2-1. I'm awaiting additional details, but know that United's goal was scored by Quavas Kirk via an assist from Ryan Cordeiro. D.C. falls to 1-2, while Toronto improves to 2-1. "

Posted by: RK | May 22, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

N. Daknow I am far from a typical fan. I am just sick of all these people with a half homosexual crush on Christian Gomez, who can't just let him go, and rallying behind the #10 we have now.
Gallardo may not be the right fit for Emilio but #11 costs less than #10 so I think it's on Luci to make an adjustment. He did better and again it's nice to see some others were actually watching the game and not flipping between the CL replay and the game on Comcast(Goff included), and recognized Fred's effort.
He missed the header and should have finished that thing off but come on he was great for someone who's been out for weeks.


Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 12:30 PM

Well said. I totally agree on all points. Gallardo is an amazing talent. Just no one can seem to finish world class service in the MLS, well except for Landon Donovan (who apparently half of the people I talk to hates, even though he is probably USA's greatest player ever).

Posted by: Dave | May 22, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Dave I agree, Donovan is the only thing keeping my fantasy team afloat right now(and Beckham). Too bad for the Galaxy those guys are gonna get pulled away this summer for Intl. duties.
It's fun to watch though for now.
I really think last night was a step in the right direction. Better than the last 3 for sure.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What bunch of jerks assembled this team?

Posted by: Cartman | May 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Bet you guys really miss us now huh?


So long suckers.

Posted by: Christian Gomez, Ben Olsen, Bobby Boswell, Troy Perkins | May 22, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

It was the streamers!!!

Actually, Gallardo's free kicks haven't been any good, except for the one McTavish touched in. If I had pick the one area where we REALLY miss Gomez, I'd say that's it. In past years, when we had a free kick near goal, I watched with breathless anticipation, because I thought we had an excellent chance of scoring. This year, it's a joke. And the corner kicks may be even worse. Burch put one on Moreno's head a few weeks ago. I can't remember another well-taken corner all year. And, I want to add that I worried about this when we got Gallardo - -in the highlight packages on line, there were a couple of near misses -- I kept asking where were the goals -- it was a highlights package, after all...

We really have pitiful wing play. Burch and Quaranta are rarely able to create any space for themselves in a 1 v 1 to get off a good cross. Our defense is completely without purpose, and I've never seen a team that seems so vulnerable to counter-attacks. Speaking of lacking purpose, there is our attack. Forwards? I was delighted to see a couple of offsides. At least that suggests we might actually try to go over or penetrate the defense. The goal-keeping? There really isn't much to add. Wells may be tall, but he doesn't react quickly enough. He's simply not the kind of athlete you want in goal. I think he could be a defender.

What this team lacks more than anything else is speed. Fred has it. Doe has it, but may not have the skills to make use of it. Martinez has it, but cannot seem to create chances for others with it, and can't score himself. The rest of the team moves like they're wearing concrete shoes.

We put together a motley crew based mostly on nationality, not athleticism and potential. It makes me wonder about the scouting of these players. Was there any? Or did we take them just because they had South American passports and wanted to play in the US?

And, seriously -- the streamers are bull-doodoo. Maybe they'll figure out a way to shoot them at penalty-kick takers, too. And that will be just as charming.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | May 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

just as McBride the savior returned to lead Fulham to safety, so shall Olsen return to lead DC United to the playoffs.

Posted by: mb | May 22, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

You guys like how in the 2nd half one 1 play I pretty much came all the way out to the end/side of the box to try to make a "play," leaving the goal entirely open and forcing one of the defenders to make the clearance from the box, thus preventing another goal because of my superior goalie skills?

Posted by: Z. Wells | May 22, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

This comic strip appeared in yesterday's paper. It may or may not apply to DCU:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/rhymes.asp?date=20080521

Posted by: tri-village | May 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

just as McBride the savior returned to lead Fulham to safety, so shall Olsen return to lead DC United to the playoffs.

Posted by: mb | May 22, 2008 1:20 PM

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Thanks for the laugh. After watching this team play this year I needed a good chuckle.

That, and about 10 bottles of Jack Daniels.

Posted by: Guy McGuyguy | May 22, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Both Fred and Q. deserve higher rankings from Goff. And yes, both are being played out of their natural positions.

Posted by: Hedbal | May 22, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

My bad Goff I know you were at the game but the 3 for Fred leads me to believe you were in a box watching the CL on the Tube.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I am the best coach in the history of the MLS.

Posted by: Tom Soehn | May 22, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"Really? Some of you think Doe is a good option up front? What have you seen that you based that on?"

Luciano Emilio

Posted by: Gburg | May 22, 2008 12:10 PM


C'mon Gburg. I lived up there for 12 years. You guys haven't seen good soccer since 1863. How many other forwards do you want to throw in there who have shown zero?

Posted by: BillyBob | May 22, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo has two goals of the week this season what does Gomer have? Couple nice assists I know but What?

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 9:59 AM

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Gomez has a team at the top of its conference, Gallardo has a team at the bottom of its conference.

Any more questions?

Posted by: edgeonyou | May 22, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Benched Burciaga Jr is as much responsible if not more than Gomez for that edge.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey when does DCU season start? what do you mean it has?

Here's a question...
Will DCU have more wins this season than the Lakers will have against the Spurs in their playoff series?

Posted by: Ike | May 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Start Kirk for the next road game - he can at least score away from RFK.


Reserve Game Summary - Toronto FC 2 vs. D.C. United 1

Toronto FC Reserves (3-1-0) - Brian Edwards, Todd Dunivant (Kilian Elkinson 46), Olivier Tebily, Julius James, Nana Attakora-Gyan, Tyler Rosenlund, Kevin Harmse, Gabe Gala, Pat Phelan, Andrea Lombardo, Jeff Cunningham (Joey Melo 60)

Subs Not Used: David Monsalve

D.C. United (1-2-0) - Jose Carvallo, Marc Burch (Trevor McEachron 46), Pat Carroll, Domenic Mediate (Grady Renfrow 46), Dane Murphy, Jeremy Barlow, Ryan Cordeiro, Quavas Kirk, Dan Stratford (Mike Zaher 27), Francis Doe (Damien Pottinger 60), Franco Niell

Subs Not Used: James Thorpe

Scoring Summary
TFC - Andrea Lombardo (Jeff Cunningham) 37'
TFC - Gabe Gala 47'
D.C. - Quavas Kirk (Ryan Cordeiro) 76'

Misconduct Summary
TFC - Olivier Tebily 13' (Yellow card)
D.C. - Dane Murphy 24' (Yellow card)
TFC - Gabe Gala 25' (Yellow card)
D.C. - Franco Niell 60' (Yellow card)
TFC - Kevin Harmse 87' (Yellow card)

Posted by: Nick Van Sicklen | May 22, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Quaranta is one of our harder working players this season says a lot about what direction DCU is going...

Posted by: Felix | May 22, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

So, our reserves aren't very good, either.

Kirk can score at RFK, too -- if he's got service from Donovan.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | May 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

D.C. United (1-2-0) - Jose Carvallo, Marc Burch (Trevor McEachron 46), Pat Carroll, Domenic Mediate (Grady Renfrow 46), Dane Murphy, Jeremy Barlow, Ryan Cordeiro, Quavas Kirk, Dan Stratford (Mike Zaher 27), Francis Doe (Damien Pottinger 60), Franco Niell

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Stratford pulled before halftime once again--ouch.

Posted by: Mr. Krys | May 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Stratford got subbed out in the 27th minute? Man...this kid's confidence has to be in the toilet now!

Posted by: Rob | May 22, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

D.C. United (1-2-0) - Jose Carvallo, Marc Burch (Trevor McEachron 46), Pat Carroll, Domenic Mediate (Grady Renfrow 46), Dane Murphy, Jeremy Barlow, Ryan Cordeiro, Quavas Kirk, Dan Stratford (Mike Zaher 27), Francis Doe (Damien Pottinger 60), Franco Niell

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Wow. Stratford now has the dubious distinction of being yanked before the half of a 1st team and reserve game!

Posted by: edgeonyou | May 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

My bad Goff I know you were at the game but the 3 for Fred leads me to believe you were in a box watching the CL on the Tube.

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Um, Fred missed a clear chance from 18 yards 30 seconds into the second half -- a shot that missed by a mile -- and then somehow found a way to head a clear six-yard header directly at a flat-footed goalie. He's an attacking player; he needs to finish opportunities.

3!


Posted by: Goff | May 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I haven't spoken with anyone from the team yet, but clearly a player who leaves in the 27th minute has been injured.

Posted by: Goff | May 22, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The natives are restless, Steve. Give us something -- please! Did you see Geddy Lee? Any French uprisings? Did you just bring a carry-on, or did you have to pay to bring a second bag. SOMETHING!!!

Posted by: Joe Doc | May 22, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Bua!!! Bua!!! Why DC United is playing like pura kaka???? Bua!!! Bua!!!

Posted by: DC United with Bag in his face! | May 22, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Payne - very poor decisions all around have come back to haunt the team.

Posted by: Isn't it Obvious | May 22, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Might be a good option for those who, like me, have a lot of trouble with MLSNet videos.

Posted by: danj | May 22, 2008 12:32 PM


Um, you know there is an MLS Youtube channel that posts the same videos right?

http://www.youtube.com/user/mls

Posted by: Well(s) | May 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If you can't beat 'em, bite 'em!

Posted by: Richie Williams | May 22, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

D.C. United (1-2-0) - Jose Carvallo, Marc Burch (Trevor McEachron 46), Pat Carroll, Domenic Mediate (Grady Renfrow 46), Dane Murphy, Jeremy Barlow, Ryan Cordeiro, Quavas Kirk, Dan Stratford (Mike Zaher 27), Francis Doe (Damien Pottinger 60), Franco Niell

Who are we... Who are we... Who are we

Posted by: Kev | May 22, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Bua!!! Bua!!! Why DC United is playing like pura kaka???? Bua!!! Bua!!!

Posted by: DC United with Bag in his face! | May 22, 2008 2:31 PM "

dude, we wished we played like Kaka!

Posted by: northzax | May 22, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Goff,

anything on Dcunited front office news, every single website I go, says that Tom Soehn will be gone by the end of the week, some of them even say that Arena is coming back to DC with Etcheverry as an assistant.
got anything?

Posted by: junkie for news | May 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Who's the leaders of this club made for you and me.....

M-I-C.....K-E-Y....M-O-U-S-E!!!!!!

Posted by: Goofy | May 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

anything on Dcunited front office news, every single website I go, says that Tom Soehn will be gone by the end of the week, some of them even say that Arena is coming back to DC with Etcheverry as an assistant.
got anything?

Posted by: junkie for news

Sure, we can make stuff up, too...

Posted by: RK | May 22, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It was interesting to see that Grady Renfrow saw some action. I thought he had been cut outright before the season started. Is he one of those people who are brought in on a game-by-game basis to fill out reserve rosters?

Posted by: tri-village | May 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Give us something -- please! SOMETHING!!!

Posted by: Joe Doc | May 22, 2008 2:26 PM
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Based on post-match comments, Steve is busy working on the following stories for tomorrow's print edition:

- United's reacquisition of C. Gomez in a trade for Gallardo, Emilio, or both.

- United's search for the unopened box of Cheerios so that they can send Tino back before the Lemon Law expires.

- the moving van delivering furniture to Arena's old house in Virginia

- DC's acquisition of Kasey Keller now that Fulham has brought in Mark Schwarzer

- Ryan Giggs moving to DC

- the bill in the Canadian Parliament to outlaw the throwing of streamers during soccer matches

- the bill in the Canadian Parliament to mandate the throwing of streamers during soccer matches

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | May 22, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

No. Goff is celebrating ManU win. His son is asking him to go to celebrate with him so Goff invited bunch of friends to enjoy.

Posted by: td | May 22, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Holy Crap, tons if idiotic posts. "Fire Soehn" "Hire Arena" "Quaranta sucks" "Wells Sucks" (well, that one I agree with 100%)

The one thing that everyone seems to be forgetting, DC showed there was some actual improvement. Yes, Fred should have scored, but he's just back from an injury. He played with passion and energy that has been lacking.

I saw a couple of others step up, with some passion. Peralta and Tino for starters.

McTavish screwed the pooch on that one, but he's human, he made a mistake. I do feel, though, that if Wells did not come onto McTavish squarely and leave the goal wide open, then Wells would have been able to stop the shot.

I personally think that it's too early to fire Soehn, especially seeing the improvements that were made. Yes, I think Wells needs to sit. I disagree with Fred being subbed out and Burch coming in for him. I would have had Burch take out McTavish. McTavish had an off night.

When the D was switched to a three back, that was when our D started having troubles. I do not know why Tommy seems to have this love affair with a 3 back. 4-4-2 works well. The line up they started with was what we should start with.

I think that the first goal frustrated some of them (Moreno) but others stood tall and worked hard.

Small improvements are at least improvements. Gotta start somewhere and I think last game they did. I think this weekend, there will be more improvements and we'll actually come away with a win.

Posted by: dogboy | May 22, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Benched Burciaga Jr is as much responsible if not more than Gomez for that edge.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 1:53 PM
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Be that as it may, you asked what Gomez has. And the answer is 1st place and 12 points vs. Gallardo's last place and 6 points. Personally, I hope the answer will be different by the end of the year.

Posted by: edgeonyou | May 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

dogboy, shut up!

Posted by: koolcaio | May 22, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

dogboy, nice to see some cooler heads prevail...

Posted by: RK | May 22, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I meant to remove the first paragraph, the "idiotic posts" comment especially.

For that comment, humbly I apologize.

Though, I do feel that firing Soehn is not the solution. Now, hypothetically speaking, lets just say we did get rid of Soehn, who would replace him? Arena? Stop gap resolution. I dont know if we would do any better with him at the helm.

Are there any quality coaches out there that would be able to replace Tommy and "fix" the season?

Someone made the comment about playing FIFA 2006 and when they re-tooled their roster, the chemistry went down. I agree with that, there will be mistakes. Last season we had some issues in the begining but we were able to right the ship a lot quicker. This time it's different.

We have language barriers and difference in style of play to contend with here. I am hoping that it will turn around quickly and that we saw a glimps of what's to come. They didn't play that bad. I do believe, though, that there is an urgent need to tie Wells down to both of the posts so he can not venture out wide past the posts and pull himself out of position.

Posted by: dogboy | May 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

dogboy: he went back to the 3-4-3 to move Gallardo into more of a striker range. losing 2-0 isn't any worse than losing 1-0.

Posted by: northzax | May 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I really think last night was a step in the right direction. Better than the last 3 for sure.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 1:14 PM

Definitely a good step in the right direction. United will turn this thing around

Posted by: Dave | May 22, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

CSN SportNite had Fenty on talking about the stadium situation. Did he say anything new?

Posted by: BK | May 22, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"dogboy: he went back to the 3-4-3 to move Gallardo into more of a striker range. losing 2-0 isn't any worse than losing 1-0."

I understand that, but I dont think that is a formation that suits DC well. No one falls into position for when Martinez runs down the field, though I did see Martinez yell at Simms for not dropping into position.

But, regardless, I think it was an improvement for the team, last nights performance. Hopefully they can take that as a positive and continue on with it.

Posted by: dogboy | May 22, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

a new cheering section for Volkswagen Park: "Christian Homos". I like it.
Dude, Gallardo can't get corner kick crosses in over the first defender. He SUCKS! Gomez's passing and crossing were head and shoulders above Gallardo's. We dwell on it because the pathetic front office needs to be run out of town. Stop looking for the silver lining, and get on board: Join the Christian Homos!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Proud day for papa, Goff actually responded directly to me for something other than my use of bad words!
I know Fred shoulda put his chances away, you finally sound as frustrated as the rest of us Steve. He's an attacker, but you've got strikers who haven't even gotten chances and your dissin a guy who's only action in weeks has been a photo shoot!
I bet a Dollar Fred really hits his stride in the next couple weeks and makes everyone finally forget about Christian(DC has the hots for me)Gomez.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Count me out.

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dogpileboy.... I will agree with your assessment that DC going from really suck to just plain suck is an improvement but not one to pin future hopes on. The season is almost 25% over and DC has the worst GD (-8) in the league and the only team with fewer total points is a first year expansion team San Jose. That is good ole statistical suck. Also DC hasn't won on the road since last Sept. ouch!!

Soehn has been in control for over a year now and has turned the team over almost completely, so this is his team. And they are an unorganized and uninspired mess. That is his fault 100%.

I for one don't think the soccer sun shines out of Big Bruce's B-hole but I can't think of a team he has coached that was uninspired and or unorganized. He took a train wreck of a squad in NYC and got them in the playoffs and unearthed some amazing talent in the process. So do I think he could improve this team? Hell yes I do. So again BBB (BRING BACK BRUCE!!!!)

Posted by: Shaun | May 22, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the hate for Gomez. He was a fantastic player for DC and was responsible for much of the team's success in the past three years.

Again I think the FO pulled a "Greg Ryan" and over managed the situation. They chose to ship out a proven performer for a DP who could not make the first team with his last club. It may get us TV ratings in Argentina but not many wins so far.

We had a good team and now we have a crappy team. We didn't lose our seventh game last year until October. Something's missing on this team. It may be Gros. It may be Olsen. It may be Boswell. It may be Carrol. It may be Gomez. Some of the changes were unavoidable others were not. Since our dear Goff is unwilling to call the FO out on awful decision making I'm going to.

My fellow posters can call me a fag but that doesn't change the truth. This team is much weaker without Gomez. Maybe the path to success for our team is for the FO to stick up their hand and admit the truth instead of threatening to get rid of players. Forget Soehn, maybe the organization lost this team when Kevin Payne decided to put the responsibility for his and Kasper's bad decisions on the team.

Posted by: Tommie | May 22, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

You know, losing just isn't as homerotic as winning.

Ahhh, Mario Gori, where have you & your tight shorts gone?

We're here, we're queer, we take it in the rear!

DC GAY U-NI-TED!!!!

Posted by: DC GAY UNITED | May 22, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I never said fag Tommie. The team may be different without Gomez, but I don't know about weaker. I am well aware that our record doesn't help that argument either.
I also think the FO are a bunch of cowards ducking the blame when it was them that manifested these big changes and dissolved the glue that held this team together.
I've just had it with people who check in after every game and sound like a bunch of heart broken teenage girls who's "boyfriend" moved away. It was business folks, and it's a done deal. Bruce Arena will be back before Gomez is and that's a different story altogether.
Gotta say though if I had made a comment about "half homo" Gomez fans out West I would have been tarred and feathered.
I love DC and the whole east coast in General for it's lack of PC crybabies. Thanks for letting me be me.
Go United. Here's to stomping a mudhole in Toronto's backside this weekend.
I hope Peralta scores off of one of Gallardo's "worthless" corner kicks and pulls up the flag and sticks it in Dichio's neck!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't wait to see the Christian Homos this weekend though!

Posted by: Dadryan | May 22, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

for those of you who are in deep love with gomez please move to colorado. Gallardo is the worst player but I will stick with him. I don't miss a thing about the grandpa walking on the feild anymore.

Posted by: got sense | May 22, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

"He took a train wreck of a squad in NYC and got them in the playoffs and unearthed some amazing talent in the process."

Whoah. Fact check time.

Arena took a team that had made the playoffs every year since 2003 and lost in the first round every time. He guided them to the playoffs twice and lost in the first round both times.

2003 Bradley: 42 pts, 3rd East, lost in playoffs aggregate 3-1. Open Cup finalist.
2004 Bradley: 40 pts, 3rd East, lost in playoffs aggregate 4-0. 0 Open Cup wins.
2005 Bradley/Johnston: 47 pts, 4th East, lost in playoffs aggregate 3-2. 0 Open Cup wins.
2006 Johnston/Arena: 40 pts, 4th East, lost in playoffs aggregate 2-1. 1 Open Cup win.
2007 Arena: 43 pts, 3rd East, lost in playoffs aggregate 1-0. 0 Open Cup wins.

If the team was a trainwreck before Arena, it was a trainwreck after Arena. The results were virtually the same.

As for "unearthing amazing talent":

Arena's one draft yielded the following players: Dane Richards, Sinisa Ubiparipovic, Randi Patterson, Sal Caccavale, and Danny Cepero.

He traded two draft picks and Thiago Martins for Jean-Phillippe Peguero, who was sold mid-season.

Jozy Altidore was drafted by Mo Johnston, and was both a Metro and a youth national team player prior to Arena's arrival.

Arena also signed the following players: Juan Pablo Angel, Claudio Reyna (on a guaranteed multi-year deal, a predictably disastrous move), made a trade for Clint Mathis (then traded him away again), Ronald Wattereus, and made a trade for Dave Van Den Burgh for a draft pick.

He also traded Johnston-era draftee Marvell Wynne and Todd Dunivant away for Hunter Freeman and Kevin Goldthwaite.

So I'm counting exactly ONE talented player he unearthed: Dane Richards. He signed JP Angel, who was a great signing, but also saddled the team with Claudio Reyna and his enormous guaranteed contract. And he traded away two defenders who are at or near international quality in Wynne and Dunivant, for merely serviceable replacements.

Arena is stuck in his ways, arrogant, and was a failure as a leader and strategist with RBNY, just as he was in 2006. He failed to build the value of the team as a whole by making stupid trades, and in a year and a half discovered exactly one player of any quality, Dane Richards, who is good but not exactly "amazing."

And for all this, he did not improve the team's results a whit.

The falsification of the quality of the team prior to Arena, and the distortion of Arena's results, are plain to see. Sign him at your own risk. If DC is so arrogant as to think they can recreate 1996-1998 just by signing Arena, they deserve the failure that would certainly come.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | May 22, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

A few requests:
1st: Soehn go away. Your doing my head in. The changes you make with subs are mind numbing. I feel as though I have become more dumb, after watching you coach for the last year.
2nd: Trade or release Dychenko, Namoff, Neil, stratford, Carvalho and Doe. They are not good enough to absorb United oxygen much less wear the jersey.
3rd. sign 1 rb, 1 fw,1k, 1wm. Jemal Johnson (MK DONS) is my only specific preference. He's young 21ish, american, not scared to shoot, faster than a speeding bullet and fiesty as hell, perfect for a third forward.
4th. With what is here, play a 3-5-2. Since you wont figure this out T.S.
B- Namoff,Peralta, Gomez
HM- McTavish, Simms
M- Gallardo, Moreno, Fred
F- Quaranta, Luci
5th: No more South American signings. There are other places to go, as NE has done well to demonstrate.
Finally: Hey Vic, when are you going to man up and build the stadium. I am finding it hard to believe; that someone as smart as you, has not figured out how to get it done by now. If a deal isn't done in 2 months, then go outside the district. As MLB & Nats have shown, if you don't play hardball with DC admin. They will stall for time as they figure out how to best to pad their pockets.
To TFC, Columbus, Red Bull, NE,Chicago, and Kansas City; I hate you all and I hope you loose every game for the rest of the year.

Posted by: Soccer Guru | May 23, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Shaun, I've been called worse..... :)

And to this comment: "I for one don't think the soccer sun shines out of Big Bruce's B-hole but I can't think of a team he has coached that was uninspired and or unorganized."

Just wanted to say this, you remember the last WC team?

Don't come and say it was a lack of talent either.

Posted by: dogboy | May 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

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