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Matchday Europe

Germany vs. Turkey on ESPN, they are underway in Basel.

The Turks hit the crossbar early. Can they maintain form and, despite being severely shorthanded, pull off a monumental upset?

Your in-game and postgame thoughts are welcome here.


By Steve Goff  |  June 25, 2008; 3:03 PM ET
Categories:  European Championship  
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Comments

There's no way it will happen, but wouldn't a Turkey-Russia final be something? When's the last time the final of the European championship was played without at least one of the big Western European teams?

Posted by: Matt in Silver Spring | June 25, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

more than a turkey-russia final which would be awesome I'd love to se Dadryan get a "JOB"

Posted by: bum | June 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Turks just scored. 1-0.

Posted by: Matt in Silver Spring | June 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Annnnnnnnnd, Turkey up 1-0 in the 22nd.

Posted by: Colm | June 25, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

OMG. Turkey up 1-0. They should just play 11 men back now -- but they are outshooting the Germans 5-1.

Posted by: RK | June 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

TURKEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: 135 | June 25, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Amazing lead for the Turks. I can't believe a former Brighton player from Walthamstow might lead them to their greatest heights!

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

1-1, stuck at work :-(

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww that sucked!!

Posted by: 135 | June 25, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Dear god. I almost literally have _nothing_ to do at work today other than plan experiments I've had to put off due to mis-set equipment and I'm missing _this?_

Rassafrackin' hell pile of crap damnit.

Posted by: Colm | June 25, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

schweinstager (pig sticker?) is one heckuva finisher. wish dcu had some incriminating photos of him to blackmail him into coming to play for the black and red.

Posted by: troy | June 25, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I think that Schweinsteiger translates literally as Pig Riser. Guessing that's something to do with one who raises pigs?

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

The Germans really aren't this bad, right? They are going to adjust to this at halftime somehow, right? Either way, I'm loving this game right now.

Posted by: Section 130 | June 25, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

can you not be offsides on a throw in?

Posted by: todd | June 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

can you not be offsides on a throw in?

Posted by: todd | June 25, 2008 3:41 PM

Nope.

Posted by: cat | June 25, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

can you not be offsides on a throw in?

Posted by: todd | June 25, 2008 3:41 PM
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No (until someone corrects me).

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | June 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bum I told ya before, I have a job.
How the hell did a Bum get a computer anyway?
Are you at the library?
I could meet you out front for a Bum Fight you little beatch.

Posted by: Dadryan | June 25, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Aaah! Stupid ESPN!

Posted by: Section 130 | June 25, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

sorry Dadryan but i dont beat on homeless people plus come on if you dont have a job how are you gonna pay for your hospital bills after i whoop you ?

Posted by: bum | June 25, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

BBC is reporting that the black-out is straight from the Swiss.

Oh, Thank God it's back.

Posted by: Red Devil | June 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

hahahaha this is too funny why dont you all just meet up at lot 8 and fight id love to see that before the game on sunday!

Posted by: 135 | June 25, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I'll be at the Galaxy game, but I'd be happy to Kick what's left of Bum's teeth out any time.
I'd be really surprised a worthless bum with a stolen computer is gonna put me in the hospital.
I have insurance that covers all my bum fights dude, no worries.

Posted by: Dadryan | June 25, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

if the announcers are at the game then why didn't they give a play-by-play when the video went out?

Posted by: todd | June 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Are the ESPN broadcasters in Switzerland or are they in a studio in the US?

Posted by: Rex | June 25, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Commentators are in Connecticut. Is the picture back? Heard it was out all over the world - yikes!

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Game is out worldwide...incredible.

Posted by: strago | June 25, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

klose goal!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

In the studios, the problem is a lightning storm in Bern.

Posted by: Red Devil | June 25, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Klose for Germany! 1-2 to the Deutsch

Posted by: Matt in Silver Spring | June 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

seriously! if we still have audio from the announcers, give us play by play as if it were radio. i'm starting to hate espn as much as i hate cnn.

Posted by: troy | June 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The Germans and the Turks must be rioting at their local pubs.

Posted by: Red Devil | June 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

but are the announcers there?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Duh. The announcers are not there.

Posted by: RK | June 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The announcers in in CT; not live on site.

Posted by: xtianDC | June 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

No, in the ESPN studios in Connecticut.

Posted by: Red Devil | June 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The ESPN announcers are not there - and that's not completely their fault. There's not enough booths for all the commentary that needs to be done - and obviously UEFA member countries get precedence.

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

even if commentators are in CT, they must have SOMEONE at the match, or at least an info sharing pact with some other outlet. if nothing else, get someone at the match on a cell phone!

foudy is annoying me as much as the lack of the tv feed.

Posted by: troy | June 25, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Are there any websites w live audio? Can't even get updates on uefa website

Posted by: LD | June 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Ever wonder how Andy Gray makes it from the game to the studio so quickly?

Posted by: RK | June 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

That should clear it up ;-)

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

turkish goalie screws up!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

so close but yet so far for the Turks

Posted by: 135 | June 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

www.talksport.net - not live audio, but they will give updates as soon as anything happens. Even with the tv blackout

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Troy - take the cotton out of your ears.

Signal out WORLD WIDE.

So commentators at the game could see it - but ESPN can't because Derek and Andy are in a studio in Bristol, CT depending on that feed.

I don't know how it goes in other countries, but I'm betting FIFA only grants your crew the ability to be IN the venue calling the game if your country is involved. Someone correct me if they know more.

So you can hate ESPN, CNN, pubs in Germany and Turkey, fan zones everywhere, and FIFA for not putting our ESPN guys in Basel. Oh and OPEC for high fuel costs that make it too expensive to fly them around the tournament.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | June 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

http://www.justin.tv/dubtv2

best streaming so far

though THERE IS NOTHING TO STREAM

weather sucks, so you can listen to julie fowdy fill air

Posted by: blancanieva | June 25, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Turkey equalizes! Why or why am I at work today?!?!

Posted by: Matt in Silver Spring | June 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

2-2 - unreal!!!!

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!

Posted by: 135 | June 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable, 2-2, a hash by Lehmann.

Posted by: Red Devil | June 25, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Ever wonder how Andy Gray makes it from the game to the studio so quickly?

Posted by: RK | June 25, 2008 4:28 PM
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Clone? Concorde? Transporter? Transcendental Meditation? Intra-galactic Worm Hole? I give up.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | June 25, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

In the UK, BBC1 are relying on their radio coverage (Five Live) - of course I don't think we have any radio people there either.

This is wild - sort of like the Heidi game of NFL lore ('cept a thousand times more important - it's a semi-final!)

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

COME ON TURKEY YOU CAN DO ITTTTTTT

Posted by: Thanksgiving Dinner! | June 25, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Lahm Scores???

Posted by: 135 | June 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

ESPN announcers are in the US apperantly it's not worth travelling to but of course there are plenty of announcers in the stadium.

Posted by: td | June 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Germany Scores!

Posted by: Matt In Silver Spring | June 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

YEAAAhhh!!!!


NOOOOOO!!!

Posted by: Red Devil | June 25, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh dear - Lahm wins it for Germany

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

THIS SUCKKSSSS!!!!

Posted by: 135 | June 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

From Soccernet's gamecast:

It's over! Germany are in the Euro 2008 final, with possibly one of the worst performances in the competitions history! Turkey have been robbed!

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | June 25, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Simply Brutal

Posted by: Matt In Silver Spring | June 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

From Soccernet's gamecast:

It's over! Germany are in the Euro 2008 final, with possibly one of the worst performances in the competitions history! Turkey have been robbed!

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | June 25, 2008 4:39 PM

Somehow I doubt it was the worst performance in the past week. Italy were an embarrassment to the game.

Posted by: Kev | June 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess this is payback for Turkey beating Croatia......

Posted by: toddinho | June 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh and OPEC for high fuel costs that make it too expensive to fly them around the tournament.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | June 25, 2008 4:30 PM
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It's not us, it's the oil speculators.

Posted by: Prince Saudi al Billionaire | June 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

the cable feed (when the game was coming through) here was quite fuzzy...was something wrong on the last Germany goal? Seemed like there was some complaining, but I couldn't tell if it was because it was the last minute of the game and they lost or if there was a legitimate gripe. Likewise, since I missed a lot of this - what's Soccernet on about? Was Germany that bad? Was Turkey that good?

Posted by: e | June 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

so, virginia, you suggest that there is no way that they could have someone provide audio play by play? don't be ridiculous, they just couldn't have pushed the espn brand while doing so. and there is no cotton in my ears, it was obvious the tv feed was out, that's why I suggested radio-style play by play from someone in the stadium, or even someone standing in the fanzone where the closed-circuit feed was working.

and did I miss something? did I ever attack you or anyone for expressing their views? you are showing the maturity of those other two guys talking about fighting at a library or something.

Posted by: troy | June 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I think Soccernet's assessment of the game is a bit overblown. Germany were not as bad as the Italians, they didn't defend well and did not show as much composure as they did against the Portuguese, but they did attack and were unlucky with some calls.

Posted by: Red Devil | June 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I guess they could have called Pedro Gomez. I'm pretty sure he's the only English speaking ESPN correspondent over there.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | June 25, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

If there were any complaints, it might have been Lamm being offsides. I thought he was when I saw it live, but the replays seemed to show him onsides.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | June 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Stupid Lahm -- when I saw it was 2-2, I left the office to go watch extra time.

Posted by: RK | June 25, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

there you go, virginia! see, thinking positive always helps.

(and maybe they could have called the ussf guys who undoubtedly sent themselves over there first class)

Posted by: troy | June 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Stating a fact, not takig a side: the Soccernet match-tracker guy was also watching from a studio and used the BBC radio feed as his source when the video went out.

If I had to speculate, I would say that ESPN did not want to pay the travel costs for 4 broadcast teams, technicians, and infrastructure to cover each venue as well as ESPN Radio backup. Maybe they could have used the BBC radio feed, but there are probably contractual issues.

Big picture folks: ESPN broadcast all matches live. What percentage of the entire tournament did you miss?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | June 25, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I assume if the satellite feed was out that the audio and video were both out. Where were they going to get an on-site audio feed from? I suppose they could have called FSC moron Nick Webster on his cellphone or something since he seems to hang out in the fanzones, but why would they even have his number? ESPN just takes the international satellite feed and inserts their own in-studio audio. Just like hundreds of other broadcasters around the world were doing.

File this under the category of s*#t happens. At least they had replays of the goals very quickly once they got the signal back.

Posted by: Glenn | June 25, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Saying Germany were awful is absurd. All 3 goals were well earned. Lehmann was awful.

Of course, I'm watching a bad stream in a 2x2 window on a PC. Saw replays of all 3, they were nice. Both Turkey's scores were a mess by Lehmann, as far as I could tell.

Yes, even the Arabic stream I have lost picture for large stretches, and supplemented the coverage with pictures of babes at the fan zone.

Posted by: JkR | June 25, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Lahm was onsides.

However, one could question whether Lahm should have even been on the pitch still. He had a couple fouls in the first half that I thought merited a yellow card ... then his shirt tug takedown on Kazim in the box should have been Lahm's second yellow card.

Great effort by Turkey. The only ones robbed, however, were the fans who weren't able to see this incredible game in its entirety.

Posted by: United fan in TN | June 25, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for your support Troy.
Bum is clearly making a personal attack on me.
If Dad isn't gonna step in and tell him to STFU, what should I do?

Posted by: Dadryan | June 25, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree with I-270 ... thanks to ESPN for not only getting the entire Euro 2008 on TV, but they also got non-American commentators to call the scintillating action. :)

Posted by: United fan in TN | June 25, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The entire world's feed went out - no one has cameras there, except UEFA which is why you don't see pix of smoke bombs, flares, or fans fighting with each other in the stands. There was no back-up feed to go to. The game was on BBC's terrestrial radio, not their world feed, so hard luck getting that to come in the US, even through the internet. Most major Euro broadcasters were there in person - that's what all those blue seats are in the middle of the stadium - play-by-play stations for all of the different countries.

I concur with I-270... 95% of the tournament has been in ridiculously glorious HD in English, live, with somewhat intelligent commentators with a pre-game show with somewhat intlligent commentators, and none of it was brought to you by the U.S. Marines, Herbalife, Red Bull or whoever pays the fees to MLS for their games. We missed .00006% of the tournament according to my abacus.

Posted by: AM | June 25, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Live TV and stormy weather are a big gamble. I'm surprised we didn't lose more of the tournament considering some of the weather they've had.
ESPN Deportes shows a replay @ 8 or 8 thirty...
ESPN2 shows it again @ 1:30 AM
Maybe they'll have the "lost footage" restored?
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Posted by: Dadryan | June 25, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Turkey deserved to win that game. They played very well. Germany had luck on their side. Oh well, my team was knocked out days ago.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 25, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

@Troy,

Sorry if that came across as a personal attack. I didn't really mean it towards you.

I'm just fed up to top of my being with the whining about television coverage of soccer.

In 1998 I had to stage a 3 day telephone calling ASSAULT on my local ABC affiliate to pick up the USA vs Iran World Cup match because they were planning to show Jerry Falwell's Evangelism Hour.

So 10 years later, when I have live, HD, knowledgeable and serious coverage of soccer - I'll let lightning make me upset but not think that ESPN is at fault for this.

Sure - it'd be great if we could force our guys into a broadcast booth in all stadiums but, unfortunately that's not possible and the backups for reporting inside the stadium or from a fan zone were probably not deemed necessary since I don't know if there's a single ESPN employee other than one camera man and Pedro Gomez there.

So again - sorry if it came off as a dust up with you - but to be here versus having to call in to get coverage of a game in 1998 is such a major leap, it's hard to be lost on the appreciation of how quickly we've ascended.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | June 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

man, is everybody touchy today? i'm only suggesting that instead of sitting in the studio talking to each other, they could have gotten either direct commentary from someone there (patch a cell phone if nothing else) or even just repeat what they hear from them.

and by the second interruption, I found that Portuguese radio had found a way to keep calling the game, so it clearly wasn't impossible.

sure, perhaps my complaining was annoying to you all, but I didn't insult anyone (although later I did indirectly comment on ryan and bum; sorry fellas), didn't use bad language, and didn't go off topic. is not liking how espn handled the situation really the worst offense one can commit here? it's not like i -- gasp -- criticized Goff or anything.

fine, espn is glorious. foudy is a national treasure.

Posted by: troy | June 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

What a great tournament for Turkey! I wish they'd gone through but they have got to be feeling pretty good about their showing.

Posted by: KIre | June 25, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Troy: Just out of curiosity, are you still in Portugal and getting the same BSPN feed as those of us in the States via satellite or something?

Posted by: tri-village | June 25, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I'll definitely root for Turkey to qualify for the World Cup. And please don't be in the USA's group.

In Europe qualifying, Turkey's group consists of

Armenia
Belgium
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Estonia
Spain

They could win that group ... or if not, rack up enough points against non-Spain opponents to advance to a second-place playoff for World Cup qualifying.

Posted by: United fan in TN | June 25, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Ine could question whether Lahm should have even been on the pitch still. He had a couple fouls in the first half that I thought merited a yellow card ... then his shirt tug takedown on Kazim in the box should have been Lahm's second yellow card.

Great effort by Turkey. The only ones robbed, however, were the fans who weren't able to see this incredible game in its entirety.

Posted by: United fan in TN | June 25, 2008 5:05 PM
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Indeed, Lamm should have gotten a yellow for that bogus tackle early on. And, if he had, pulling down Kazim in the box ought to have been an ejection. On the other hand, in between all that, Lamm also earned a penalty kick that wasn't called. It seemed the ref was playing catch-up all game, trying to make up for calls he'd blown earlier.

I might add that, on the whole, the refereeing has been pretty scandalous -- no better than what we're used to over here.

Since I pretty much always root against Germany (lone exception: it was cool being in a fan zone in Kaiserslautern when they beat Ecuador), I was disappointed -- but also because Turkey played their hearts out. I hope they are able to earn a place in South Africa.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | June 25, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I blame Greg Vanney for the World Feed going out.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | June 25, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

So I take it that Disney will be calling Sunday's championship game from Connecticut, too?

Posted by: tri-village | June 25, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I was a little disappointed that Pedro Gomez wasn't contacted to at least call a little bit of it from a fan zone TV. Maybe he'd had a few too many pints of lager with the fine looking frauleins.

Any chance we could hire Fatih Terim to coach the USMNT? He's done more with less than anyone in the tournament. The Turks play with heart that I haven't seen out of the US since the 02 world cup. Today they were without Tuncay, Nihat and Volkan. Can you imagine what the US would do in a major competition missing Donovan, Howard and Dempsey?

Posted by: Jared | June 25, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"Can you imagine what the US would do in a major competition missing Donovan, Howard and Dempsey?"

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Actually, I think even WITH Donovan, Howard and Dempsey, the USMNT would have had their hands full against a gritty, undermanned Turkish squad today. Hats off to Turkey.

And I'll be rooting against Germany in the final.

Posted by: United fan in TN | June 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=551287&&cc=5901

ESPN announced that its networks will re-air the game in its entirety: Wednesday night at 9 p.m. ET on ESPN Classic and at 1:30 a.m. ET on ESPN2 and then on Saturday at noon ET on ESPN.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | June 25, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Great match, although my personal definition of hell is listening to Foudy's banal reparte while the feed has gone down.

Ende gut, alles gut.

Armleuchter...

Posted by: spike_2.0 | June 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe so many people thought the announcers were at the game. Maybe I'm just used to GolTV:)

Posted by: RK | June 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

They'll all be in Europe for the Final right? Aside from whoever will be bringing us the Spectacle on Sunday at noon right?

Posted by: Dadryan | June 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks like swiss tv and Al jazeera didn't lose their signal during today's game.

Posted by: Lord Batu | June 25, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Foudy is painful to hear. I don't intend to be a chavinist, but perhaps if the female commentator had a charming accent like Tommy and Derek, I'd be more inclined to think she knew something about soccer.

Oops. There I go stereotyping commentators with accents. :)

Can't wait for the DCU-Euro doubleheader on Sunday!

Posted by: United fan in TN | June 25, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Dadryan.....just enjoy the fun while it lasts. It is pretty funny. Really.
Or ignore him. You can't beat up a guy on the interweb.
And maybe a little less personal info. Keep it to the topics and noone will have anything to pick on, hmmm?

Posted by: marksman | June 25, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

@Troy,

Sorry if that came across as a personal attack. I didn't really mean it towards you.

I'm just fed up to top of my being with the whining about television coverage of soccer.
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Sorry, Virginia...your post hadn't shown up when I wrote mine. I'm with you 100% on your comment. I wasn't criticizing espn's investment into showing soccer, especially THIS soccer. I was criticizing how they responded to the unanticipated developments. I do think they have a tendency to default to "hey, look at us" instead of "hey, look at the sport," but I suppose they have been so successful that they may know more than I do about how to appeal to the average viewer.

the networks are obviously not acting out of altruism. I am very pleased that they have made the corporate decision that there is money to be made showing the sport we love so much.

my criticism of them was perhaps especially unfair given that it was the first espn telecast I have seen in this tournament. I'm still in Portugal, but I was away from a real TV so I watched the TVU stream of the espn telecast (with Portuguese radio play by play during the second interruption).

so...how 'bout them reserves getting a shutout, huh?

Posted by: Anonymous | June 26, 2008 3:45 AM | Report abuse

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