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Alvarez to San Jose

Insider loyalists have known since last week that Arturo Alvarez was on his way out of Dallas. The question was: Where? Now we know:

FC Dallas today completed a trade with the San Jose Earthquakes, acquiring allocation money and San Jose's first-round pick in the 2009 MLS SuperDraft (originally held by Houston) in exchange for forward-midfielder Arturo Alvarez. San Jose had obtained Houston's natural first-round pick in the '09 draft in exchange for forward Kei Kamara last week.

What do you think of Dallas's trades today, the seemingly imminent departure of Kenny Cooper and Juan Toja, and the pursuit of Ariel Ortega?

By Steve Goff  |  July 28, 2008; 7:32 PM ET
Categories:  MLS  
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Woo-hoo!

But man, are we overloaded on the left side now.

Posted by: JJH | July 28, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

why does it seem like everyone else is making moves while DCU stands pat?

SJ seems to really be improving themselves...Sealy, Huckerby, now Alvarez. They really should have beaten NJ yesterday.

Posted by: Glenn | July 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

FC DALLAS FIRESALE!

Posted by: Johnny | July 28, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

If you stand here like this, and you push down on the handle like so...

BOOM!

... see, everything gets blown to pieces and you can start fresh. Sound good?

Posted by: Grunthos | July 28, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Goff -- I heard a rumor that Oduro is on his way out too...any truth to this?

Posted by: Andy | July 28, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Telefutura had mentioned the possibility of Ariel Ortega to Dallas a week or 2 ago during a SuperLiga broadcast. 2 of the Mex teams were playing in Frisco and Dario Sala was a guest in the broadcast booth.

Interesting to see there's something to the rumor.

I always got Gallardo and Ortega mixed up as they were both up-and-coming attacking midfielders (I think) in the Argie team about the same time. Like all talented creative young Argies they had the burden / hype of being discussed as the next Maradona and when they were only moderately succesful some people were disappointed.

For those who are up to date on both - is Gallardo or Ortega the more valuable player right now?

Posted by: garbaggio | July 28, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Allocation money and a 1st round pick? That's all? Guess the brain trust didn't think they needed him. Is he out of contract at the end of the year?

Posted by: JMR | July 28, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

For those who are up to date on both - is Gallardo or Ortega the more valuable player right now?

Posted by: garbaggio | July 28, 2008 8:08 PM

Whoever is younger.

Posted by: JMR | July 28, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey if Dallas makes wholesale changes, they will just be another NYRB. United could use to make some moves but people wanting huge changes need to calm down.

Posted by: United fury | July 28, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

First, Alvarez is good and I think he could be fantastic. Last season his promise was really starting to show. But, no Olympic Team, playing time has gone down...I don't get it. But, he could be excellent. As for Dallas to lose Cooper, Toja, and Alvarez....CRAZY...Ortega or not. they have given up on the rest of the season. Of course, the dallas franchise has underachieved in about every way.

Posted by: Eliot | July 28, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

is Gallardo or Ortega the more valuable player right now?

Posted by: garbaggio | July 28, 2008 8:08 PM
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Ortega is much more valuable to my organization.

Posted by: Jacques Cousteau | July 28, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I love how every other team in the league is making adjustments, and DCU is not. Come on GUYS, we need it the most!

Posted by: kristin | July 28, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Telefutura had mentioned the possibility of Ariel Ortega to Dallas a week or 2 ago during a SuperLiga broadcast. 2 of the Mex teams were playing in Frisco and Dario Sala was a guest in the broadcast booth.

Interesting to see there's something to the rumor.

I always got Gallardo and Ortega mixed up as they were both up-and-coming attacking midfielders (I think) in the Argie team about the same time. Like all talented creative young Argies they had the burden / hype of being discussed as the next Maradona and when they were only moderately succesful some people were disappointed.

For those who are up to date on both - is Gallardo or Ortega the more valuable player right now?

Posted by: garbaggio | July 28, 2008 8:08 PM
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IMO ortega is more talented, better with the ball at his feet, and when hot just all around better. But he is older and is problematic as he is an alcoholic. He has battled his demons over the years, but seems to fall to alcohol ever so often, one has to be scared that the dallas nightlife might attract him and bring out the worst.


With that said, when hes hot hes incredible, but pretty old and risky.

Gallardo it seems treats his body like a well oiled machine, thats why he has that speed and stamina. The same cannot be said about ortega, except he is a little better technically.

Posted by: Bolivian DC Fan | July 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Also let me add in, it seems Dallas is out looking for a proven goal scorer, at one time El Burrito was, but now is more of a setup man/finish when he is in the right position guy, he lost his pace but could be their Schelotto.....

Posted by: Bolivian DC Fan | July 28, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree with JJR: lots of left-side options for SJ.

Also, maybe the real news here is that FC Dallas is going to liquidate the entire team and start fresh as a USL1 club. I'm only half joking.

Posted by: Steve | July 28, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Now that SJ has Alvarez and Huckerby on the left, Ivan Guerrero may be available. I wouldn't mind getting him as a left-mid/leftback option.

Posted by: Jason | July 28, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

If I was a Hoops season ticket holder, I wouldn't renew. Blowing up a team and trading or selling away youth for an old DP like Ortega makes no sense. I don't get why unsuccessful US college coaches are hired in MLS. Hyndman seems out of his depth, sort of like Chad Ashton, Soehn's buddy. Given the fire sale nature of good US prospects like Altidore and Cooper, what does Garber want to run -- a glorified USL-1 operation?

One other political point. I couldn't understand why the Norwegian league is such a big player in grabbing US players. Look at the Post yesterday, Norway exports oil and we import. Those blonde guys are doing the same thing the sheikhs in Qatar and Bahrain are doing, using oil money to pump up their leagues.

Posted by: griffin1108 | July 28, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Let me just say that I'm glad to see Alvarez go. One year ago I was optimistic about his skills, but the league will soon find out that yeah, he's pretty darn average. You could even see a bit last night when Vanney (as bad as he is) still forced Alvarez to go right and the dude gets completely lost. I've never seen a more one-footed player than this guy. I had hoped for a bit more, but I don't mind the 1st round pick.

Just to prove I'm no homer, if Cooper's gone, I don't give a rip whom we pick up, FCD is done now and for the foreseeable future. Given what I've seen on Sky Sports, my fears are coming true. My boys are heading from average to RBNY levels.

Posted by: FCD Brad | July 28, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Hyndman is setting up his stall to be the worst manager in MLS history.

Posted by: Aljarov | July 28, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Alvarez is very average, one footed player, period. And Kristen, if you think DC United needs to make more changes than San Jose, you obviously have been hanging out with Marion Barry.

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | July 28, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

One other political point. I couldn't understand why the Norwegian league is such a big player in grabbing US players. Look at the Post yesterday, Norway exports oil and we import. Those blonde guys are doing the same thing the sheikhs in Qatar and Bahrain are doing, using oil money to pump up their leagues.

Posted by: griffin1108 | July 28, 2008 9:46 PM
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Is someone going to a team in Norway? Cooper's going to Cardiff and Toja to Bucharest.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 28, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of making changes, the Discharge's Michael Arace is itching for the Crew to grab someone before the transfer window closes -- though he mentions no target names:

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2008/07/28/arace28.ART_ART_07-28-08_C1_EMAS4AF.html?sid=101

("Fighting Canaries"??)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | July 28, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Ortega in his prime was better than Gallardo in his prime. That being said, as of right now Ortega is a head case who has way too many demons and off field baggage that you don't want from a DP.
One bad night and he's back on the bottle and a small misunderstanding away from shanking his coach or team mates with a broken bottle of cerveza o wiskey.

Posted by: Thora | July 28, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Hyndman is setting up his stall to be the worst manager in MLS history.

Posted by: Aljarov | July 28, 2008 10:00 PM

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The guy hired John Ellinger to help him make the adjustment to MLS. What do you expect?

Posted by: Kenobi | July 28, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

First, Alvarez is good and I think he could be fantastic. Last season his promise was really starting to show. But, no Olympic Team, playing time has gone down...I don't get it. But, he could be excellent.

Posted by: Eliot | July 28, 2008 8:35 PM

Alvarez has played over 100 games in MLS with about 10 goals and 10 assists to show.

He's not going to get much better than he already is.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 28, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

if you knew anything about MLS then you would know that alvarez has got raw talent that has shined the past 3 years, even with a coach who didnt know what to do with him. By the way a midfielder does not get judged by his goals, I dont understand how people who barely watch United games seem to think they know how good an MLS player is based on stats. Probally the same reason why so many united fans like gallardo WATCH A GAME BUDDY AND THEN LETS TALK.

He would shine over any United midfield player we have other than quaranta.

Posted by: This ones for you Jay | July 28, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

As a Dallas fan, I hate to see Arturo go. He's underachieved since being in Dallas, but his talent level is as high as almost any midfielder in MLS.

Fortunately, Dallas has an embarrassment of riches in midfield. While Arturo leaves, and Toja might be out -- that's OK. Toja had a great year last year, but it coming back down to Earth. Still a great player, but still has some random donkey touches during games. And Dallas has Shea, Avila, Richetti, Rocha, McCarty, Dello Russo, Wagner, Wileman, and the new guy they just traded for from SMU (Guarda? sp?)

Losing Cooper will suck, but his departure should let Thompson and Oduro get some more minutes, which will help their games --- both are pretty good.

I just hope we don't sell Oduro...

And I hope the GM doesn't screw things up before Schellas can get some kind of system in place...otherwise it's the same old Dallas story...

Posted by: Brian | July 28, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Alvarez sucks
horrible ball control
horrible skills
no creativity

Posted by: castroviejo | July 28, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Abe Thompson doesn't have the touch or finesse that K-Coop displays but I would argue that he is just as good of a pure finisher.

Dallas is a disaster of a franchise. Someone in the front office needs to be fired for the Denilson fiasco last year. Why not offer Cooper a significant pay increase to keep him stateside. He is quickly becoming the face of that franchise.

The only reason MLS players are being exported to Norway is for the significant increase in salary. Honestly, who grows up as a kid playing soccer dreaming of one day playing professional soccer in Norway. Raise the salary cap!!!!! Keep quality players like Cooper, Perkins, etc stateside!!

Posted by: ef | July 29, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

I don't get the baggin' on Jay dude...
I think you'd also be hard pressed to find folks who "like" gallardo based on his stats. In case you haven't noticed a lot of people up in this mother wish we never trade C. Gomez, and so on and so forth.
on another note, Dallas and some other clubs are in way worse shape than our very own beloved United at this point and it's no surprise that they are essentially scrapping this season and building toward next year. I'm sure everyone in the area can recall how bad it got before United clawed it's way out of the cellar with great fanfare, whipping up on LA to top off a great JUNE. Had that not happened I'm sure our "firesale' would have started three weeks ago.
Hopefully Oduro doesn't get ditched as well, and IMHO Dallas has got some talent on the bench that is only gonna get better with some playing time.
I know Tino was getting some flak for his kicks but check out the whitest version of C. Ronaldo fanaticism you'll ever peep: Brek Shea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vamos United. Hope I made a little sense so late.
Peas

Posted by: Dadryan | July 29, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

re: "why does it seem like everyone else is making moves while DCU stands pat?

SJ seems to really be improving themselves...Sealy, Huckerby, now Alvarez. They really should have beaten NJ yesterday"

Making moves for the sake of making moves is not the answer. The jury is still out on SJ. If they are improved, why didn;t they beat New York?

And Dallas - you call that making moves? Its more like a player exodus. Cooper going, Toja going. At best, Dallas replaces the talent lost. Which means Dallas is still adrift. Adrift downward.

Now Dallas did beat LA 4-0. But don't read too much into that. It was, according to Goff, 103 degrees. LA has pretty much said they take the day off during the heat.

DC is at least trying to make the right moves. So if it takes a bit longer to get the players in here that really have a chance to inmprove the team, so be it. But just getting in a bunch of stiffs and cutting a bunch of stiffs so you can look like you are "making moves" is not the answer. Wer need real players who can make an impact in the stretch run.

Posted by: Ron | July 29, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it make sense for Dallas to add a proven goal scorer after selling off Cooper? I smell a Mexican on the way.

Posted by: Hoost | July 29, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I saw FC Dallas lose at home to Charleston in the U.S. Open Cup, seeming to use their best players. It was obvious they needed to make some changes.

Cooper would be the biggest loss, but if they bump his salary up considerably, it will really be his decision about how badly he wants to play in Europe.

Toja obviously wants to go to Europe, and Alvarez wasn't happy. This gives Coach Hyndman the opportunity to reshape the Hoops immediately.

Posted by: Bill in Md. | July 29, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

For those who are up to date on both - is Gallardo or Ortega the more valuable player right now?

Posted by: garbaggio | July 28, 2008 8:08 PM
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As previously noted, Ortega is allegedly a recovering alcoholic, and in the past 2 years has had a few problems on the pitch as a result. He missed 6 weeks with Pasarella because he was in de-tox. That said, he is the engine behind River and when River plays the entire stadium sings "OR-TEEEE-GA" - he and Simeone made peace so that we wouldn't lose our #10.

Today's Clarin here in BA says an undisclosed team in the UAE offerred $1.3 million to play for 10 months, and $700k to the club for the loan. (River needs the cash.) Ortega reputedly said he wouldn't go for less than $2 million, in part because the climate is said to be bad for his health. The Dallas rumor was disspelled in the local press a couple weeks ago, as Ortega said he wants to stay with River, but Dallas and River are looking to sign a contract to share coaching staff and youth players.

Posted by: Lost in BA | July 29, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

omar bravo REALLY wants to play in the US.

Posted by: bobf | July 29, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Bravo signed for Depor -- he's going to La Liga.

Posted by: RK | July 29, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

if you knew anything about MLS then you would know that alvarez has got raw talent that has shined the past 3 years, even with a coach who didnt know what to do with him. By the way a midfielder does not get judged by his goals, I dont understand how people who barely watch United games seem to think they know how good an MLS player is based on stats. Probally the same reason why so many united fans like gallardo WATCH A GAME BUDDY AND THEN LETS TALK.

He would shine over any United midfield player we have other than quaranta.

Posted by: This ones for you Jay | July 28, 2008 11:29 PM

I think we all watch every game...That's why we are on this site every morning, afternoon, and evening (pretty much any time that isn't game time).

We see Gallardo's value every day. He creates, but most importantly he allows us to hold possession. Without Gallardo we have been able to dominate possession. When he is playing we funnel everything through him. Yeah his stats aren't great, but his value can't be fully understood by looking at a scoresheet. Gallardo is the most talented player on DC United, and we're seeing how well we play right now without him.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

*have not been able to dominate possession...apologies for the typo

Posted by: Anonymous | July 29, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Speak for yourself -- I couldn't pick Alvarez out of a lineup between he and Zach Wells ;)

Posted by: RK | July 29, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't this work out to barely more for Alvarez (the probable 2nd overall pick for 2009 and a partial allocation) than it does for Guarda (a 2nd and a 3rd and a partial allocation)? So a young pro player with experience and some proven skill is valued by Hyndman about the same as a guy without a pro career (that I know of) who was good in college. Or do the partial allocations contain wildly different amounts of $$$.

Posted by: bluemeanies | July 29, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

love how every other team in the league is making adjustments, and DCU is not. Come on GUYS, we need it the most!

Posted by: kristin | July 28, 2008 8:48 PM
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Not true. We have hired a feng shui consultant to rearrange RFK.

Posted by: OWNTF | July 29, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Ortega v Gallardo comparisons. Looks like we'll need to invite "El Burrito" to a pre-game tailgate if he signs with Dallas!

Posted by: garbaggio | July 29, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I'd have to weigh in on the side of the Alvarez lovers. I think the kid has potential. Can he realize it, who knows? San jose will still have a heckuva time trying to make the playffs this season, but it seems like with the moves they're making they're at least going to make a run at it.

As for Gallardo, he's the engine that makes DC run. It took a while for us to get something going, replacing your goal keeper and half of your starting 11 can do that to you. But before Gallardo went out injured we were starting to show some promising form.

I just hope he makes it back in time to get us into the playoffs.

Posted by: Matte | July 29, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

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