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United-Dynamo, the Aftermath

You know about the storm. Now listen to the fury.

"Just as a whole, that was bad," Coach Tom Soehn said.

After the long delay, "We came out like we did in the first half: no energy and no life. They punished us over and over again."

And changes are on the way.

"We are going to bring in some reinforcements, people that I think are going to make us better in spots on the field where we need to get better," Soehn said, declining to elaborate.

GM Dave Kasper said the club plans to bring in more players for trials starting next week, but like Soehn, did not want to say anything else.

What do you think should be United's top roster priorities?

While you are pondering that, a few numbers to throw your way:

*Announced attendance: 14,660.
*Actual attendance: Maybe 9,000.
*Attendance at final whistle: 250?
*Time of match: 4 hours 44 minutes.
*Time of delay: 2 hours 54 minutes.
*Number of light failures: 2.
*Number of Brad Davis set-piece assists last five days: 3.
*DCU's home losing streak: club-record 4.
*Houston's shot advantage: 23-4.
*Yellow cards: 7.

PLAYER RATINGS: Wells 4.5; Carroll 4, Burch 4, Namoff 4, Martinez 3; Thompson 4, Simms 4, Fred 3.5, McTavish 4; Moreno 4, Emilio 4. Subs: Dyachenko 3, Doe 4, Kirk 4.

My match report is available here.

Video highlights are here.

By Steve Goff  |  July 24, 2008; 2:18 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Priorities in order
1. GK
2. Central Defender
3. someone with grit
4. stadium
5. wide midfielder
6. coach
7. forward
8. draft personnel

the only thing not really needing improvement are the fans and ownership

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

It is odd to be saying this -- but man of the match for United probably should go to Wells. He kept United in the game far longer than they deserved to be given how poor they played.

Posted by: Curious | July 24, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

i hope that i never hear a dc fan say "move [insert mls club here]!" ever again.

if dc can't get a sss in place within a year, for the good of the league, move this club.

goff should be ashamed of bashing columbus for following the industry standard of announcing tickets distributed as attendance, when here he admits that dc announced at least 5k over actual attendance.

Posted by: johnny | July 24, 2008 3:06 AM | Report abuse

i hope that i never hear a dc fan say "move [insert mls club here]!" ever again.

if dc can't get a sss in place within a year, for the good of the league, move this club.

goff should be ashamed of bashing columbus for following the industry standard of announcing tickets distributed as attendance, when here he admits that dc announced at least 5k over actual attendance.

Posted by: johnny | July 24, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

i hope that i never hear a dc fan say "move [insert mls club here]!" ever again.

if dc can't get a sss in place within a year, for the good of the league, move this club.

goff should be ashamed of bashing columbus for following the industry standard of announcing tickets distributed as attendance, when here he admits that dc announced at least 5k over actual attendance.

Posted by: johnny | July 24, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, we definitely know Goff's comment count isn't inflated somehow...

...Why am I awake?

Posted by: B.A. | July 24, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

Priorities:

1. fire the entire front office
2. fire coach "Know-nothing"
3. fire Wells (my 11 year old is available)
4. send Gallardo to the Richmond Kickers
5. send Dyachenko to Siberia
6. send Fred back to Brazil; he has no talent if you haven't noticed
7. get the Screaming Eagles some new material. It is as stale as the team
8. send the remainder of the team (except Moreno, Martinez) down to the developmental squad where they belong
9. hire Rapid Man (since Colorado released him); he's much more entertaining than Talon

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Total shots: 23-10 advantage Houston. Wow! Talk about total domination.

Time to blow up this experiment? Or just persevere like early in the season?

Posted by: Bart | July 24, 2008 4:46 AM | Report abuse

Actually it was 23-4 advantage Houston. DeRosario had 7 (3 more than the entire DC team). Yeah blow this team up. Starting from the idiot coach.

Posted by: Bart | July 24, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

DC had 4 shots? Are we sure that isn't an inflated number?

Posted by: sitruc | July 24, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

From the post-game article
"It seemed United's only salvation was another weather delay."
How freakin' sad when your team's only hope is a postponement.
DCU needs a heart. One without bad ankles.

Posted by: marksman | July 24, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Johnny, you make no sense at all in any of your laughable triple posts....

Posted by: JkR | July 24, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

THAT WAS EMBARRASSING !

Posted by: DCU 4EVER | July 24, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Priorities in order
1. GK
2. Central Defender
3. someone with grit
4. stadium
5. wide midfielder
6. coach
7. forward
8. draft personnel
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Uhm, PRIORITY #1 is getting a new coach. Tom Soehn blows.


Posted by: bristol | July 24, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Realistically, how many reinforcements can we bring in? I'm not sure if we have any free slots and we have about ~120k left from Niell's salary? Unless we are hoarding a lot of allocation money we are stuck with the majority of this squad until next year...

Posted by: strago | July 24, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Bruce Arena is still on speed dial...or if he ever came off for that matter.

Posted by: strago | July 24, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

goff should be ashamed of bashing columbus for following the industry standard of announcing tickets distributed as attendance, when here he admits that dc announced at least 5k over actual attendance.

Posted by: johnny | July 24, 2008 3:06 AM


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don't be a moron. that is the only time Goff has done that. the game was moved -- twice. there were tickets that were sold, that went unused. did you expect everyone to go that was able, especially after the 2nd cancellation? Columbus and the DC situation are totally different.

Posted by: steve-o | July 24, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Priorities?

1. Teach Columbus fans how to use blog software.

2. Get a new stadium. Or offer a special where every fan who brings a working flashlight to the game gets a dollar off admission. Then when the lights go off again, all fans shine flashlights on the field as option B.

3. New GK. Your GK has to be an organizer and control the area. Wells doesn't do either well. He probably creates insecurity and destroys confidence among the defenders. LAG's defense is bad because they're inexperienced, slow (well, when they had Xavier) and leave a lot of space cuz they push into attack. We don't have those same excuses. We just play incompetent defense. Not all the time. But a lot of time.

4. Defensive organizer--at least on a part-time basis. I'm not ready to give up on Peralta, he's had a lot of solid moments with a few really bad ones. But it's now very clear that we have a couple of guys who can play right back, a couple who can play left back (if you include Burch who has had some bad moments there this year), a couple who can play center back. But the failed plan to use Namoff as an organizer just shows how desperate we are. We make the defense weaker by taking our best individual defender and playing him out of position. The team has no-one who can be a central organizer. And that's definitely a problem until Peralta returns (2-3 weeks). So if you're willing to go with Peralta in mid-August, we need someone ala Ezra Hendrickson (ie: temporary organizer who's cheap, probably has holes in his game but at least can be a sweeper of sorts).

5. Wing/outside mid play. Thompson, Mediate, McTavish are all spear carriers. They give us an 11th man on the field, they work hard, they'll defend and run. But we don't expect them to create chances against a good team, we don't expect them to force a Mullen or Richards or Beckham to play defense. Fred I think is a talent. But his game isn't always there every match which means we can't afford to have to rely on Thompson, etc. on a regular basis. If we had one more starting caliber outside mid it would have several implications:
--Fred would be available as a CM
--McTavish would give us more depth on defense
--Quaranta would likely see more time at striker (which is his best position)

Those 3 spots: GK (pushing Wells to reserve), temporary defensive organizer (until Peralta gets back) and starting outside mid (which then gives us more roster coverage b/c McTavish, Quaranta focus on other spots and Fred can play CM with Moreno while Gallardo is out) would make all the difference in terms of depth and talent.

Now team-wise, I have always appreciated Soehn's willingness to use reserves and play guys in other positions (Gros as a back or moving Olsen to outside mid for instance). It ultimately gives you more flexibility. But if you look at the last two games where he plays a central defensive pairing of Burch-McTavish and then Namoff in central defense, that's either a case of desperation or not being able to project how players fit into their roles. The first (desperation) if that's the case I don't fault him for. The second though is damning.

Posted by: joeW | July 24, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

By the way, one other point. I recall Bruce Arena (after a game against the Crew I think) when United gave up a bunch of set piece goals saying that giving up multiple set piece goals is an example of bad coaching. So the multiple assists by Davis on set pieces is especially damning I'm afraid.

Posted by: JoeW | July 24, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

After a 3 game losing streak at home, they come out and get dominated! At one point in the second half the Houston advantage on shots was 19-2 (makes one glad that our defensive midfielder took a shot!). AND this was a Houston without their defensive midfielder Ricardo Clark!

EMBARRASHING!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

to Posted by: | July 24, 2008 4:21 AM

I concur.

Posted by: agreed | July 24, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

The video highlights show Wells making several nice saves. Is he getting better?

For me the acid test for coaching is (a) how has he done with recruiting/trades, and (b) is the talent he has in their proper position? Certainly there has been a lot of 20:20 hindsight on (a) regarding Gomez, Perkins etc.

It is the (b) factor that bugs me. What the hell is Burch doing as a center back? We need the foot on the left side as a threat. Why is Martinez moved outside when we need to shore up center?

Posted by: When it rains it pours | July 24, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Move Columbus and all three of their fans to San Diego.

Posted by: Ron | July 24, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

The highlight of the night for me was actually making decent time getting out of Lot 8. Of course it's only competition was:
-DC United's play
-the traffic nightmare on 295
- the unmarked detour
- trying to find where you are through intersections that are completely dark due to power outages
- making it home just in time to have my wife say "What the hell happened?"

- Time spent attempting to play this game: 15 hours
- Time I spent watching the game: 52 minutes
- Time it took me to get home: 125 minutes

But at least I can look forward to the All-Star game.

Posted by: Beloved Cartoon Mouse | July 24, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Top priorities:

1. Goalkeeper.
2. Goalkeeper.
3. Goalkeeper.

Posted by: bob | July 24, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

If a team comes out flat and disinterested not once but twice the problem is not all the players but the coach - and the GM for having those players here in the first place. Now we have a coach who blames the players - "he knew his assignment" etc.

Time to push Bruce's number on the speed dial.

Posted by: congguy | July 24, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

What the hell is Burch doing as a center back? We need the foot on the left side as a threat. Why is Martinez moved outside when we need to shore up center?

Posted by: When it rains it pours | July 24, 2008 7:41 AM

In hindsight we might have played better with Burch on the outside and Martinez in the center. I think the reason Martinez is outside is for his attacking ability but considering we had almost zero attack last night it wouldn't have made a difference.
Defensively, Dyachenko blows. He had a 2 on 1 ten yards from the center line and gave up on both players. 3 passes later DeRo was in on Wells.
And after watching the highlights, how the hell did Martinez pick up a red after the tackle on Dero? He got all ball. Am I missing something here?

Posted by: JMR | July 24, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Two pretty decent goalkeepers at the Kickers...

Posted by: George | July 24, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

I only saw the 1st half on P2P last evening. The problem with the team is total lack of depth, a problem that all other MSL teams have. Losing Gallardo and Peralta is devastating to this team. They were just starting to roll and bingo, no attack from midfield and the central defense is dead in the water.

We need another central defender and someone to bolster the midfield. the Dyachenko experiment has to be ruled a failure and he should be shown the door.

I thought Wells looked better last night and am not as quick to pull the plug on him as others. I also think Soehn has done as good a job as possible with the players he has been given. I think Kaspar and the rest of the technical team made some very bad decisions during the off season and must shoulder the blame on this.

Posted by: Orange14 | July 24, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

A long night for United, and uncertain future from the top down. This team needs some change and a swift kick in the rear if there is any hope of snagging some hardware this season.

Posted by: Beltwayrob | July 24, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

This team is in serious need of a decent pair of rocks.

I'm not even going to go there with Soehn as I have tooted that horn already. So we got a little hot there in June. Nice, but the season runs a tad bit longer than that. Me? I'm still not convinced that he can win anything.

While we're talking coaching, please stop with the Bruce Areana hype. See what he did at RedBull? The Bruce had his time, we need something fresh in here. I hate the whole retreading thing anyways.

Wells? Here is a classic case to present to the "he has hustle/heart" crowd. Wells has stepped it up a bit and shown a bit more bite, but bite just ain't enough in the big leagues. We need a solid goalie in the nets, especially with that team on the field.

I seriously doubt that we are going to win anything this year. I mean even when your own home turf (AKA RFK) has got it in for you, you have gotta know that you are really up against it.

This sucks.

Posted by: Kosh | July 24, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Zach Wells should not be blamed for this loss tonight. He's getting better IMO.

Posted by: Sam | July 24, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Wells should have not made that many saves. For every block made by Wells, a defender didn't do his job.

Game was run by Dynamo.
Couldn't stay for post rain delay.

Posted by: Blancanieves | July 24, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I think Namoff deserves better than a 4. Especially early in the first half, when he was paired with Burch in the middle, he was playing lights-out defense and kept Houston off the boards.

Posted by: Hedbal | July 24, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

What is this nit-wit Soehn doing? We have a solid defender in Gonzalo Martinez and he plays him at Left-back? He should be in the middle with Mactavish. That gives natural outside backs Namoff and Burch freedom to move up. Quavas Kirk should be starting over Thompson who has no strength at all. If Jamie is in the Middle then Fred is on the outside. Start Dyachenko w/Emailio or Doe. You can even insert Pat Carroll at Left wing. I can't believe this coach just complicates everything and then says we came out flat. Putting March Burch at center-back is not a good thing for any team and is about as stupid as I can see it. Burch is sorely needed on the left back/left flank where he can deliver nasty crosses and seems more comfortbale. I like Martinez skill but I rather see him in the middle where we can utilize his skills and maybe play him w/Fred or Jamie. Its retarded what this coach is doing.

Posted by: GP | July 24, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

OT -- Washington Freedom to stay at SoccerPlex next year when WPS starts up. The lights work there.

http://www.gazette.net/stories/072308/kensspo192803_32356.shtml

Posted by: OWNTF | July 24, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

FIRE SOEHN NOW! i made some disparaging remarks about him on here earlier in the season. i have not changed my mind. he is a worse at coaching than wells is at goalkeeping. that is the absolute #1 deficiency right now. the players need a coach who can motivate them BEFORE they come back from the 2.5 hour delay, not bag on them after. this is not a youth team where you can put players in different roles and see if they work. this is a profesional league (despite what the play looks like sometimes) and some of these players are SEASONED INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONALS!!! dc needs a coach who knows what that means, knows how to work with that caliber of player and KNOWS HOW TO MOTIVATE. soehn is rubbish. fire him. wells is rubbish. sit him on the bench until he learns how to organize his back line. dyachenko is rubbish. dc would be better off without him.

oh, and martinez's tackle on derosario that earned him a red - clean as a whistle. every league prefers stars on calls, but a tackle like that should make martinez a star, not a villain. brilliant defending.

Posted by: moses | July 24, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Bobo Balde available.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/c/celtic/7523251.stm

"And the Scottish champions are willing to release him for free if he can find a club to move to."

Issue is whether he'll take a pay cut from his $60k/week salary.

Posted by: FarAwayFred | July 24, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

What do you think should be United's top roster priorities?
================================

The front office must shoulder enormous responsibility. Dyachenko instead of Carroll? Gomez? Boswell? Can the FO be replaced?

GK. For those who would blame defense, realize that DCU has allowed the fewest shots in the league, and damn near the fewest shots on goal. On the other hand Wells has done the poorest job of any GK save one in the entire league.

Posted by: OWNTF | July 24, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Think we can talk BoBo into taking $60k/26 weeks?

Posted by: JkR | July 24, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Ummm hmmm, lets see thats about 3.1M a year. Not going to happen...

Posted by: Yeah | July 24, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Soehn need not point the finger at anyone but himself ,anytime a team isnt motivated and plays like that its the coach's fault. The great coaches make their players play better than they are not worse.

Posted by: CH | July 24, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Love the team, respect Soehn, and would cheer for anyone that wears the shirt, but when Dyachenko got the call to replace Carroll, I booed.

At this point, it is not about the players. There is nothing about Dyachenko's game that indicates that he will give anything more than what he has provided in the past -- a decent attacking option as a late sub when size and strength can exploit tired opposition. To bring in Dyachenko to play CAM in the 25th minute is to effectively give up any shot at an attacking game; with the added bonus that it completely negates the point of having Martinez at left back.

After a couple of deft touches after being subbed in, Rod went back to losing possession with unforced errors and then failing to track back on counters and leaving Simms isolated. This is what he has done every game this year that he has been in midfield. So, what was Soehn expecting last night?

There were better options. Fred played decently in the center (he was at least very active for the first half of the game) and Quavas Kirk at the wing would have given the team pace on one side, forcing the Dynamo to play back on their heels. Doe would have provided a competent second attacking option that would have allowed Moreno to slot back and set up attacks from the midfield.

Dyachenko promised and offered nothing and if that's the guy the gaffer thinks merits major minutes in the center of your attack, then it is not terribly surprising that all your squad manages is four or five shots on goal.

Soehn can criticize the players all he wants, but he decides who plays and who doesn't and it is unreasonable to assume that those left on the bench could play more heartlessly than those on the field last night.

Posted by: Frustrated | July 24, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Facundo Erpen!

Posted by: leafblower | July 24, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Goff: I truly love you man, but were you at the game? Fred rated lower than ANYBODY (except Simms) last night must mean you were not.

McTavish, Burch, Dyachenko: Thanks guys. Now, go play with the reserves.

Carroll: W'happen? Boo-Boo?

Thompson: Move lad, please.

We have veterans Quavas Kirk (ok, I know he may still be inured) and Vide on the bench and the above get to play? I don't get it.

And forget about bashing Wells already. Yes, he's not gonna make anyone forget Rimando or Perkins, but I defy any of you critics to play goal in front a defense comprised mainly of cones and see how well it goes for you.

Marcelo and Gonzalo P.: Che, que recupera y regresa pronto. Les necesitamos.

Posted by: loosek | July 24, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

There's no depth in MLS. With Olsen, Peralta, Gallardo, Stratford, Mediate and J. Carroll out, that's over 20% of the roster injured. When we have to rely on P. Carroll, Thompson, Dyachenko and Namoff in the middle, that's MLS.

And it's obvious at this point the District doesn't want DC United anymore. With the power outage Tuesday due to only two of the three feeder lines into the area working, who didn't expect this travesty to occur last night? I'll tell you right now, the moment DC United is playing in MD, I will never spend another dime in our Nation's Capital. Fenty lied.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

@Soehn bashers -- "seasoned international players" should show up with their own motivation. Fault him for tactics if you want, but he doesn't pick the roster, and it's not his job to make sure guys show up ready to play. Not saying he's great, just saying that failure to motivate is not a fair rap.

Posted by: Mysterian | July 24, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Dyachenko sucks. No getting around that. But his inclusion exposes how thin United's roster is. No depth at all. And this is a product of the roster/cap restrictions MLS imposes. A couple injuries totally kills a team in this league because any real depth simply isn't possible.

All that said, I'm really regretting the personnel changes we made since last season.

And, again, Dyachenko's awful. He does nothing out there. Does he have lurid photos of Soehn with a ball boy or something? Geez.

Posted by: Reston, Va. | July 24, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Goff: I truly love you man, but were you at the game? Fred rated lower than ANYBODY (except Simms) last night must mean you were not.

Posted by: loosek | July 24, 2008 9:00 AM

Fred was bad. He looked to be limping around. And was never in the right position and didn't have the hustle to get on some passes (pre-rain delay).

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Left and Central Defender - then a GK would be my priorities.

Remind me why Daychenko and Martinez play????

Posted by: MH | July 24, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Didn't go to the game, didn't hear the game, and I don't even know the score yet. But after reading this, I am thoroughly depressed.

Posted by: Joe Doc | July 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I am a t work now and i feel like crap after last nights game! It was defenetly worth the wait because we got to see our team play but damn i fell like crap..

Thanks to The Barra Brava and SE(mostly BB that stayed put and waited for the game to resume that shows alot of heart love and support for the team!!GREAT JOB GUYS!

Vamos United

We will get through this it has just been a bad month! Starting August NON-STOP all the way to the MLS CUP!!!!!!

Posted by: 135 | July 24, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I'll tell you right now, the moment DC United is playing in MD, I will never spend another dime in our Nation's Capital. Fenty lied.
Thx,
Jay!
Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 9:03 AM
=========
SAME HERE.

Posted by: td | July 24, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

...and the pendulum swings back......now everyone is crying fire Soehn, fire Wells, fire the FO. So much for the love and patience people seemed to have durig our winning streak. NEVER "Boo" your home team or it's players.
I feel players are been played out of position too much, whether this is due to injuries and/or poor coaching is out of my control.

Posted by: boda united | July 24, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

One more number to add to Goff's list:

Number of United players in the game who saluted the Barra Brava and Screaming Eagles fans that stayed until the bitter end: 2.

Correct me if I missed anyone, but Namoff and McTavish were the only players I saw with the decency to walk over and give us a hand. A few subs came over as well, as did Ben Olsen, which was much appreciated.

The hardcore fans don't own D.C. United, but a little more respect from the players would have been nice. Martinez gets a pass due to the red card, but what about the rest?

(Again, if I missed a player, let me know)

Posted by: Lights Out | July 24, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

p.s. We have lots of land out here in Northern Virginia. NoVa United! I like it!

Posted by: boda united | July 24, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Can we at least get Soehn to shut the hell up and stop throwing the team under the bus after they predictably couldn't keep it together due to the most laughable coaching move ever of Marc Burch at center back? I like Burch -- as a left back, and sometimes as a left winger. But he's absolute shyte at the center.

Having Martinez go running up to join the attack while they were getting shellacked by Houston from the very start of the match made about as much sense as tits on a rooster.

When you know you're facing a potent enemy, your team is flagging anyway, you have injury issues, what you don't do is take a buzzsaw to the back line and play people radically out of position or too aggressively. You stay at home, bunker in, have the mids cover back, and work to play soundly. Say a 4-5-1 with two DMs. And the left back does not get higher up the pitch than the striker.

That is coaching and match management. That is Soehn's mess. It's not injuries. It's not talent. It's not trying harder. The man has straw for a brain and should find a more suitable trade. I think he'd make a fine bricklayer.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | July 24, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"NoVa United"

That name might suit last night's play, but you really need to study the marketing lessons of GM in Mexico.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 24, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

oh common td and jayRockers please keep spending your money in my city..just make sure you take mass transit. you suburban drivers are like a deer in headlights.

Posted by: dc | July 24, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Jay, td - after last night's lights going out, twice, I too decided leaving DC is a good idea.

Posted by: ML | July 24, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

did someone say to get rid of talon??? ohhh come on , lmao, your hilarious, poor talon dindt do anything to get him kick out, we really need to get rid of wells,moreno,fred and the coach, what a disapointed team we have, in the 10+years of dcu history we never had a team this bad, very disapointed, its just sad see them play, no heart, no enerjy, is just a waist of time, is more fun seen a usl match them a dcu game, sorry dc

Posted by: talon out?????? | July 24, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

some people were not around in 200-2003?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

These are pro players, they should be able to provide their own motivation. The coach's job is tactics and setting the correct line up. On that front Soehn failed miserably last night. That starting line up was an experiment destined to fail. No one knew what they were supposed to be doing. Having just one forward was never going to work. Carroll was doing fine and should not have been removed, especially in favor of the most useless player in DCU history. There are enough decent players on this team to field a servicable line up. But we need a coach who will put the line up out there. Why was Doe not starting? Why Burch in central defense? Why Namoff in central defense? Why oh why is Dyachenko even on the game day roster? These are all things the coach has control over. Soehn needs to remember when he is pointing his finger that he's got 3 more fingers pointing at himself. (my Dire Straits reference 2 days late)

I will agree that Wells made some good saves, but he also still makes too many mistakes, as in the second goal.

Posted by: Glenn | July 24, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

One forward could work, but it would really be a counter-attacking scheme. At the highest level, you need to be able to play bunkerball when necessary. That, I could accept. But the clueless dreck that we saw last night and then promptly followed by the classless finger-pointing routine is beyond the pale.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | July 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

As a GK myself, and constant critic of Wells, I have to say he made some good saves last night but was constantly left exposed by the defense. Even St. Iker Casillas looked bad in the 2006-07 season when the defense was looking shaky (by RMA standards, that is), but once they fixed the defense, he looked fabulous again.

Yes, the GK can erode the confidence of the defense, but that dynamic works both ways. If he had a solid (dare I say consistent?) line to work behind, he might have had an easier time getting settled in the United goal.

And btw, this all starts from the midfield. Hard to have a solid defense or any kind of attack if you can't keep possession in MF. I agree with those who say depth is the major problem.

And why, oh why, did they let Cristian Gomez go?

Posted by: GK | July 24, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

BTW, terrible decision by the ref on the Martinez card / red card.

Terrible.

Posted by: JkR | July 24, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

And why, oh why, did they let Cristian Gomez go?

Posted by: GK | July 24, 2008 10:18 AM

Our world class #10 is injured. When he plays, the team is much better. Same with Peralta. Don't pin this on the lack of top players, they're struggling with injuries. Problem is, if you take a few key players out, the reserves are RUBBISH.

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Just now drying out. The fans deserve better. Right now they're the best thing DC United has going for it.

Posted by: SquishyShoes | July 24, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Fred was bad. He looked to be limping around. And was never in the right position and didn't have the hustle to get on some passes (pre-rain delay).

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 9:16 AM
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Early in the first half, Fred took a shot and then was hopping around and limping, like it had really hurt him to take that shot. Anyone else see that??? It seems that he does have some sort of foot/ankle injury that he is playing through, so maybe I am going easy on him for gutting it out, but at least he was moving with some speed/intensity while he was out there. There were quite a few others that would just wait for the ball to come to them (can't do that on slow, wet turf, fellas!) and then trot up the field when the Dynamo player came in to intercept it. No intensity! I'll take a somewhat injured Fred, with his passion, over some of these other bozos any day!

Posted by: HarkesyRules | July 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

MLS RAISE THE SALARY CAP!!!!!!! or we will never compete for players

Posted by: Diggs | July 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"But the failed plan to use Namoff as an organizer just shows how desperate we are. We make the defense weaker by taking our best individual defender and playing him out of position."

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This is a really good point and is indicative of one of my biggest complaints about Soehn's approach. He's a good coach when he's got all his horses, but when somebody goes down his lineup adjustments leave a lot to be desired.

Namoff is one of the premier shut-down wing defenders in MLS but can look real ordinary in the center where the skillset and mindset required are totally different.

I thought the early season shift to a 3-5-2 was a huge mistake primarily by forcing Namoff, our best defender last year, out of position. Having him on the wing effectively marking his man out of the game every night was a huge luxury last year, and we have missed that to put it mildly.

Burch also brings a lot of good things to the left back position but is a fish out of water at center back. Playing him there against Chivas was a really bad lineup decision. That's just asking too much of a player who has no real grasp of a position, particulary one that arguably demands experience more than any other.

Soehn needs to leave as many guys in place as he can when somebody goes down, right now a single injury not only weakens us at the one position we lose, but because he moves people around so much it makes us weaker at 2 or 3 other spots.

I don't know what he can do differently at that center back spot, the team is shockingly thin at all positions really, but he needs to leave players like Namoff, who bring real good things to the table but whose games are not real flexible, where they belong.

Posted by: uranderson | July 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Plan of action for United...

1. Don't freak out about the latest set-backs and results. Consolidate, let players recover then hope to get back on track next month. Playoffs are still very much in sight.
2. If you can find a usable central defender for a decent price, please sign him.
3. Work hard with Maryland and PG County on the feasibility study and a potential stadium plan. The club have to take a strong stance on their future this fall/winter. No more waffling along with lease and Poplar Point nonsense.
4. Speak to the University of Maryland about a possible temporary partnership to play at Ludwig Field (new stands would have to be put in place to bump capacity up). With some high profile matches played at FedEx.
5. Tell Fenty, the DCS&EC and the Council to go fornicate themselves.

Just some ideas

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

@lights out

Bosswell saluted too lol but you are right Namoff and McT and then Olsen !!!

Posted by: 135 | July 24, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

to quote Sir Alex Ferguson,

'Concentration is one of the vital components of players making that step across the line to be first-team players. We often under-rate the value of concentration.
'They can practice all day long, they can have fantastic ability but if they do not have concentration to make everything happen, then they are never going to be there. That is a fact.'

Hear that Rod Dyachenko, Marc Burch, and Zach Wells (who I did think was United's best player in the first half)?

Posted by: Skyler | July 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

You can't blame Burch for not being a central defender. That position is something you're born to -- either you have it in you or you don't. You need to be smart enough to read the run of play and physical enough to ride runners offline without cracking them across the shins in the box. Speed doesn't hurt, but brains and brawn are more important. And of course, you need to be able to deal with the ball at your feet. Both feet.

Posted by: spike_2.0 | July 24, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If they act now, DC United can get 8 ShamWows for half price before the deadline . . . . . that should soak up some of the mess

Posted by: OWNTF | July 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I am so glad I have Setanta Sports, Fox Soccer, and GOLTV because if MLS was my only choice for watching professional soccer I would not watch professional soccer or even be a soccer fan.

The salary cap sucks and is hurting this league. How can a city be expected to spend 100+ million plus to build a new stadium with a total payroll of less than $5 million.

DCU's priorities should be to put pressure on the MLS FO and their ridiculous business model.

I'm glad my power went out at 8:00.

1) Fire Soehn
2) doesn't matter until Soehn is gone.
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Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 11:02 AM

Oh please, take your ball and go home.

Posted by: JkR | July 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I thought Wells played a decent game last night. I do not think that either goal was his fault. When you look at the replays, on the first goal it appears that Burch was in the line of fire on the first goal (far post), while Wells had the near post covered. Burch ducked his right shoulder down and let the ball go by! On the second goal, I suppose the argument could be made that Wells could have come out to clear the ball, but the service was outside the 6-yd box, so he might not have made it in time. However, there were 3 (not 1, not 2, but 3!) Dynamo players that were goal-side of any DC players on that. There was one DC player (I couldn't tell who) that was in between them. No one from DC was in any position to defend properly. I don't think you can blame Wells for those.

One other quick point that I noticed on watching the highlights. On the play in the first half where the ball was bouncing around in the box and it took like 5 attempts to clear it, it was Dyachenko who completely whiffed on it, allowing it to stay in the box for a couple more attempts on goal. He really needs to go.

Posted by: HarkesyRules | July 24, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

You can't blame Burch for not being a central defender.
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Posted by: spike_2.0 | July 24, 2008 10:51 AM
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Burch wasn't even a defender until he came to MLS. He was a forward. He has barely become comfortable with the left back slot, then to try to move him to the center I think is just too much to ask.

Posted by: HarkesyRules | July 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

These injuries have decimated the chemistry that out team has built up. The MLS salary cap has forced Soehn to rely on awful reserves. Some people on here love Thompson's "grit and determination." Let's call it like it is. He tries hard, but the guy has no technical ability, he gets beat on defense, he can't mark, and then he hustles to try to recover in time. Boy do we need Tino back at RM.

The two injures with the biggest impact on the team's play are Gallardo and Tino. We have no one that can replace those guys in the lineup, and it shows when we attempt to fill Gallardo's void with Jaime and Tino's with Thompson. The problem is that Soehn doesn't have very many other options to work with.

Posted by: Not all Soehn's Fault | July 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

With the power outage Tuesday due to only two of the three feeder lines into the area working, who didn't expect this travesty to occur last night? I'll tell you right now, the moment DC United is playing in MD, I will never spend another dime in our Nation's Capital. Fenty lied.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 9:03 AM
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Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. Yes, the lights went out. But, everybody in the stands watching the rain gain in intensity every few seconds, to where it was starting to look like the first time they tried to play this game -- we knew that the refs were going to have to halt the game any second, anyway.

The power came back up fairly quickly. The game, however, did not -- because the field was in miserable condition. I suppose we might give some props to the heroics of the five DCU employees who donned ponchos and and took squeegees and tried to make a difference. They did get rid of the huge puddles that had formed, but they also did some damage to the turf. Given that it seems RFK has no groundskeeping crew anymore, I doubt that the turf will be repaired. Wherever DCU moves, they should make sure there is a groundskeeping crew on duty for the game. I don't know what is in the contract, but I think that the team was let down by the city last night -- not because the lights went out, but because there was little or no crew to run out there and try to get the pitch back to playable conditions.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

As for trialists, DCU keeps bringing in players from abroad -- players that have places on better teams than ours -- yet, they aren't offering them any contracts. This is something I can't fathom. Vallaurio, Diaz, etc. -- surely they are better than Vide and Zaher. Why haven't we fixed these problems already?

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

again with the "trails", DC's very own revolving door policy. They come in and leave!

just sign someone!

Who the hell is pat carroll? lol

(Joke)

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | July 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Was I mistaken or did DiRo kick Martinez in the head after Martinez took the ball off his feet? Hope the ref has the All Star game and is too tired to stand up.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

If you guys ever went to the player's union site you would see that $2 mil in salary cap is kept out each year to fight a suit the player's have against management. Should be the suits in New York's responsibility, I would think. By $2 mil, it looks like every team has to divy up $2 mil. I hope Eddie Pope sticks it to them.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I totally applaud the squeegy guys. They indeed where the MOTM and could have used more help. I was at the Congressional Baseball Game at the Nats' park last week and THEY seemed to have more grounds crew on hand to get the field ready after their rain delay.

And, to my fellow 250 fans out there to the bitter end, I had such a blast with you all. You rock.

Posted by: Still Wet | July 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

what the heck was the red card for?? he got the ball....

We need 2 defenders a defensive mid and a backup AM. Possibly a winger to use and slide Fred inside to backup Gallardo.

The center of the team (defenders and midfield) is pathetic without the starters. We need decent options off the bench for those 4 postions.

Posted by: bobf | July 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that Martinez deserved a card on either tackle. He got the ball both times. I guess he's going to have to put away the sliding tackle from his arsenal.

By the way, who puts together these video highlight packages? From Goff's gamer: "Houston keeper Pat Onstad made excellent saves on Clyde Simms and Francis Doe before Ching stretched the lead in the 79th minute by heading in Brad Davis's free kick."

Well, I left an hour before the restart, so I didn't see these excellent saves. They aren't in the highlight package either. Neither was Wells' great play to come out of the box and deny DeRo's breakaway chance. Instead, we get to see Emilio's anemic first-half header that Onstad had to move a little to save.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I've always thought Soehn should be fired, but I resigned myself to the fact that he wouldn't be once the team started winning. I still think he won't be fired now, at least not until the season's over. Bottom line he's not going away any time soon.

As for the season, I think it's USOC or bust in terms of '09 CCL qualification. The team lacks the depth to even hold the line, much less advance, on '08 SS pursuit until the A team is all put back together. That leaves the prospect of a low playoff qualification and hope of storming to an MLS Cup victory a la '96. We'll all root hard for it if that's the scenario, but we know the odds.

Posted by: CMJ | July 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Again Tommy boy does the blame game. Ummm..Let's see motivation by threatening someone's job.......Kevin Payne are you listening!!!!!

Posted by: Soehn me Nothing | July 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

what the heck was the red card for?? he got the ball....
Posted by: bobf | July 24, 2008 11:45 AM
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It was his second yellow card, not a straight red card - whether it should have been a card at all is up to debate.

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I didn't see these excellent saves.
Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 11:49 AM
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Hopefully this direct link to Well's various saves works - if not try the second and go to the week 18 highlights. There are video clips posted under different categories

http://mls.gotuit.com/?c=2008&p=217324&s=3039007&i=336890

http://web.mlsnet.com/quickkicks/

Posted by: emanon | July 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

4 of the top 12 players out injured (3 being very important in Gallardo/Peralta/Olsen), a below-average keeper and precious little depth and the team can't be expected to compete with one of the top sides in the league.

I didn't like Tommy's lineup, but I don't think that was the determining factor. I still believe he has earned the right to coach the remainder of the season. If a coaching change is made, I would much prefer Dave Sarachan. I think Arena has lost the passion - he seems bitter and disenchanted.

Wells put himself in Rimando's no-mans land on the 2nd goal, with the difference being he does not posses the athletic ability to make a save out of position like Nick. Wells either needs to be a step or two off his line and stay there or come balls out to punch that cross. He was on the 5 yard line, stepped forward and then back. Wells is the anti-Troy on balls in the air. He has improved, but I still think he is best suited as a back-up. He is not totally to blame, but shares a good portion of it for the season as a whole.

Until the team gets healthy, .500 is about the best to hope for.

Posted by: Henchlow | July 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Martinez deserved a yellow for the tackle on "D-Ro," he came in with two feet.

Wells may look good at times because he is so far out of position he has to make a diving save. He comes out too often, and too tentatively.

Posted by: wmsiii | July 24, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about. Yes, the lights went out.
Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 11:19 AM

I'm talking about the disrespect the District is showing DC United and it's fans.

Yes the lights went out. They went out against Atlante or Pachuca last week. The power went out at the stadium Tuesday. And then again Wednesday. Why? Because there is work going on in the area that isn't supplying enough power to the grid that includes a MAJOR F'ING STADIUM that is in use. Poor City planning. The power never went out before in our recent rain delays (KC, Colorado spring to mind). Now the city just doesn't give two turds about us so we have to suffer these indignities. I'm glad the Nats aren't paying their rent. If the District can't deliver a building on time, they have no business being in the business of running stadia.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

This "DC is missing starters excuse" is a load of bunk. "Good" coaches realize that players get hurt that's why you try to create a plan B- in the offseason, not every other game.

Top sides in the league? Have you looked at Houston's record? DC has won more games and had more points until last night. In 2 games against DC UTD Houston scored 5 goals total, hell they'd only scored 17 total over the course of the whole season.

The DC defense is train wreck, total crap. The axe needs to come out and the head (coach) most go first. I guess in this guess only a pin is needed.

Posted by: Soehn me Nothing | July 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

7. get the Screaming Eagles some new material. It is as stale as the team

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 4:21 AM

That was a cheap shot and totally uncalled for.

Posted by: SE member | July 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

This "DC is missing starters excuse" is a load of bunk. "Good" coaches realize that players get hurt that's why you try to create a plan B- in the offseason, not every other game.

Posted by: Soehn me Nothing | July 24, 2008 12:44 PM

Why do you think that Soehn is so quick to criticize the lack of depth in the squad? Granted, I won't say he's the best manager on earth (the Martinez situation is curious to me - I think Gonzalo has worked Soehn by allowing him to play LB).

But Soehn is clearly taking a side-swipe at the way this squad was put together. It's not Soehn's job to bring in quality "plan B" guys - that's what the front office is for. Their "plan B in the offseason" guy was Franco Niell. And I don't think Soehn has the pull to really have a voice in player personnel that some managers have.

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Grounds crew would be a big help.
Shoot, I need a job...
Are they hiring?
Just curious, did they keep any concessions open? How the heck are people supposed to withstand a near 3 hour delay without beer?
You'd think someone would realize the opportunity to make more money by keeping the concessions open eh?
That's really a big part of why I left. No beer? I'm outta here.

Posted by: Dadryan | July 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Seeing Well's not stop another shot and Houston score in minute 3 of the game made me long for Doug Warren.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

will never spend another dime in our Nation's Capital. Fenty lied.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 9:03 AM
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Honestly, I don't know what you're talking about.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 11:19 AM

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I believe what the person is referring to is........

"Thank you Kevin for this D.C. United jersey and congratulations on your terrific season. It is great to see over 20,000 fans here at RFK supporting D.C. United. It is my hope that your fans will soon be coming to your brand new soccer stadium at Poplar Point in Anacostia. World class fans, and a world class team like D.C. United, deserve a world class stadium. And I am going to make it a priority to help you build that stadium. Thank you -- congratulations and good luck to the Black-and-Red!"

-Adrian Fenty on Oct 29 2006 (right before a mayoral elction mind you)

link to full article: http://www.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20061031&content_id=77524&vkey=news_dcu&fext=.jsp&team=t103


As for the excuse that we're missing all of our players and thats why we stink. I don't see that excuse being made for the Yankees who are without their best pitcher, their starting left-fielder, and their starting catcher, or when they were missing A-Rod.

Injury = excuse = horribly weak.

Boo-Yah

Posted by: Hollywood Hogan | July 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Was Peralta hurt when we got him? He got hurt awfully quick while here. He has actually been out twice as much as he has been in. Our real problem is no one is feeding the forwards. We go up and back as a team. Loose the ball and no one has to work we drop back to defend and give them the yardage. I am tired of the Fred bashing. He is a very good player. He was last year and is this year. If Burch is a converted forward - then I got a novel idea - put him back up front while we have injuries. I bet the goalie would think twice about going for one of his shots. We can also do well with a three man back line and five in the midfield. Thompson took some clips off the ball that went unnoticed by the ref who noticed nothing that was happening to us, just what he thought the mighty champions were receiving. This is 2001 all over again. The refs are letting us get beat up.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

But Soehn is clearly taking a side-swipe at the way this squad was put together.

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 12:54 PM

Let's see I can remember Soehn going on several of those trips South to look at players so I guess everyone is to blame but him. Bottom line is this is the worst defense this team as ever fielded hands down. Organization starts at the top.

Posted by: Soehn me Nothing | July 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

But Soehn is clearly taking a side-swipe at the way this squad was put together. It's not Soehn's job to bring in quality "plan B" guys - that's what the front office is for. Their "plan B in the offseason" guy was Franco Niell. And I don't think Soehn has the pull to really have a voice in player personnel that some managers have.
Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 12:54 PM
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But isn't it coach's responsibility to identify what type of players he or she need according the formation and plans he/she may have? I think it's his and also the other OF including goal keeping coach, manager etc. But ultimately Soehn is the one who puts they guys on the ground and should know.
And one more time, if any of the couching staffs don't have players on their mind - ready to bring and don't have to put them on trial, the players would be more reliable in the first place.

Posted by: td | July 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

But isn't it coach's responsibility to identify what type of players he or she need according the formation and plans he/she may have?

Posted by: td | July 24, 2008 1:21 PM
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All that needs to be said about this is that it was Soehn that reacquired Rod Dyachenko from Toronto after he was taken in the expansion draft.

Enough said.

Posted by: Talent Guy | July 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Right on to Kev, re stadium moving plan.

Next topic: one of the things that affects concentration (Sir Alex Ferguson quote from Skyler) is fitness. My observation from the very first games of the season is that only a handful of our players seem truly fit. I think this has been borne out by the numerous injuries and unbelievable lapses in concentration, including the habit early on of falling apart at the 60-minute mark.

I ride a desk for a living and play for fun, so I don't know who on a professional team is responsible for the day-to-day, hard-core basic conditioning is (the players? trainer?), but, ultimately, it is up to Soehn to demand it.

Posted by: LD | July 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Dyachenko was selected in the 2006 MLS Expansion Draft by Toronto FC. (Draft took place on Nov. 17, 2006)

On December 21, 2006, Soehn replaced Nowak as the head coach at United.

Dyachenko was re-acquired, however, by DC United on February 1, 2007 in a trade for a first round pick in the 2008 MLS Entry Draft.

Soehn was coach when Dyachenko was picked up from Toronto. Figures. Maybe the 2 have a secret love affair.


Soehn stinks worse than my dirty clothes hamper.

Posted by: Fact Checker | July 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Wells did a great job last night, I'm disputing that. But the fact is that Wells has demonstrated in a huge chunk of our games this year that he is not yet a No. 1 netminder. There are glaring fundamental flaws in his execution of the game that get exploited more often than not. The pieces are there, but he needs to work on a few things before he's a true No. 1 in my eyes. That's why I am among the many who are calling for a new goalkeeper. Heck, even Soehn knows we need some more quality in that position.

Speaking of Soehn, I cannot completely fault him on the quality he has available to him. Let's face it our reserves are horrible. But I do fault Soehn on his tactics and player management (points that have been well detailed above). I am no pessimist, but I am not really convinced that Soehn can win us a trophy. It's something about the fire in his eyes (or lack there of) compared to the other DCU managers who have won us something (and don't you dare quote Rongen as we all know that he inherited someone else's side).

That bench is a disgrace. There are consequences to every decision (which are compounded with bone-headed ones). We have this massive database and system on foreign players but know close to nothing about the talent right under our noses. We hate the draft (case in point - burn picks on players like Dyachenko) and pretty much use it to get a few local kids on the squad, while other teams are unearthing solid players to real gems.

FINALLY freakin' MLS has to share some of the blame here. Having $2.7 million teams play in all kinds competitions in a packed summer season is just plain madness. There are no teams in this league that are more than 14 players deep in quality, a number that will only get uglier with the upcoming expansions. WE NEED DEPTH, MLS. Another $1 to $2 mil to the cap should go a long way to getting us closer to 17 or 18 quality players deep on 28-man sides. Heck with decent management I can see teams being 20 players deep with quality. It will directly improve the quality of the game, help with reduce the impact of injuries and force everyone, I mean, everyone to fight much more harder in practice for a starting spot.

I hope I'm wrong and we scrape something up in the form of a trophy this year, but this is close to becoming a salvage operation in my eyes.

Still...

VAMOS UNITED!!

Posted by: Kosh | July 24, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Top sides in the league? Have you looked at Houston's record? DC has won more games and had more points until last night. In 2 games against DC UTD Houston scored 5 goals total, hell they'd only scored 17 total over the course of the whole season.
Posted by: Soehn me Nothing | July 24, 2008 12:44 PM
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Yes, DC United is still the most decorated team in MLS history both nationally and internationally with the trophies and name brand. We can come back from this downside.
Until any of the other MLS teams can lift up the number of trophies that United did, no one can say a thing and I am very proud of that.

Posted by: arlington4united | July 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Just as a reminder, last year we had one of the best defenses in the league-- then the FO "Fixed it". Now look !!

Posted by: Mike | July 24, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Just curious, did they keep any concessions open? How the heck are people supposed to withstand a near 3 hour delay without beer?
You'd think someone would realize the opportunity to make more money by keeping the concessions open eh?
That's really a big part of why I left. No beer? I'm outta here.

Posted by: Dadryan | July 24, 2008 1:04 PM
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Oh, that does remind me of one of my big gripes of the evening. They did close down all of the concessions without any warning. I had my kids with me (7 & 10), who after about an hour into the rain delay were really starting to get hungry. We went up to the concourse and every single stand was closed down! No food and no beverages (for anyone under 21 -- there was still a beer vendor or 2 in the stands that I saw), it was ridiculous. We walked around and found a very nice attendant in one of the box suites, who let us forage from there since it was all being cleaned up anyway. I did notice on the walk back to our seats that they announced the team store would be closing in 15 minutes, so to make sure you made your purchases from there before it closed. How nice of them!

Posted by: HarkesyRules | July 24, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Winning the MLS Cup is not about being the strongest team throughout the season (that's what gets you the Supporters' Cup). It's about the teams who figure out their problems and fix them during the season. The important thing is just getting into the MLS Cup healthy and on a roll. Look at last year, the top two teams (DC & Chivas) knocked out in the 1st round by the bottom two playoff teams (Chicago & KC).

They've got to get healthy and deal with their obvious problems, but let's not count DCU out quite yet.

Posted by: dcindc | July 24, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

On the same lines that LD started above, I want to pose a question that I have been wondering for some time. Whose decision was it to have Gallardo and Peralta on the bench nursing their injuries for a couple of weeks, only then to ship them off for surgery and have them out several more??? Whose to blame for that Soehn, trainers, medical staff??? If they had gone in the first few days of their hernia injuries, they would be just about back by now (certainly in time for the Aug. 2 game, I'm sure).

Posted by: HarkesyRules | July 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Just curious, did they keep any concessions open? How the heck are people supposed to withstand a near 3 hour delay without beer?
You'd think someone would realize the opportunity to make more money by keeping the concessions open eh?
That's really a big part of why I left. No beer? I'm outta here.
Posted by: Dadryan | July 24, 2008 1:04 PM
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Oh you think the DC would care for us that much? They don't care about making money or supporting DC United, otherwise they will already have voting representatives in the district.

Posted by: arlington4united | July 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I add to that question re Gallardo, Peralta surgery delays.

Posted by: td | July 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The first change that must be made is Soehn. Bruce is not the answer, however there are over a thousand coaches in college to choose from, a number of former MLS and National team players to consider(Dooley), however my choice is El Diablo (Marco Etchevery) at least he would torture players that weren't up to snuff on any given day. My second choice would be Richie Williams. Third Paul Mariner, however if we bring in Paul we might end up with European Players. The fact of the matter is there are tons of more than suitable players in Africa, the former eastern block, and in the USA that would jump at the opportunity to play here. However DC United thinks their fans only want Latino Players. True United fans don't care where the players hail from, they want to win and enjoy the quality of play. As to who should be let go. namof, simms, dycrapo, doe, vide, stratford, and every other player that is incapable of thinking the game before they recieve the ball. How many american attacking players are on the roster? Not enough to be industrious and honest in effort.

Posted by: F-ing Pissed | July 24, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

namof, simms, dycrapo, doe, vide, stratford, and every other player that is incapable of thinking the game before they recieve the ball. How many american attacking players are on the roster? Not enough to be industrious and honest in effort.

Posted by: F-ing Pissed | July 24, 2008 1:46 PM
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Namoff and Simms? Please, please send me whatever potent strain of wacky-tobacky you're smoking that makes you think DC would be better off without those 2. C'mon just hide your super-potent strain of pot in a peanut butter jar and mail it to me. I would love to be as stoned as you are to think that.

Posted by: Cheech | July 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

@Dadryan
They kept the beer going for a bit. When the beer guy came around on the concourse it was like moths to a flame...

Some folks were a little more creative: trying to tap their own beer from the concessions stand, one guy got in trouble for taking 20 pretzels, and others were able to get some left over food free.

The funniest scene was of a guy carrying an huge armful (no container or anything/just carrying it in his arms) of free chicken tenders down the concourse. Priceless.

Posted by: Sec. 131/Still Wet | July 24, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't care much about how much love the bammas working at the stadium have for the fans, but their bosses should have the power to convince some of their employees to work some overtime to make MONEY.
If fools want to quit their jobs, the management should step up and man the kegs.
People should be allowed to bring their own food and drinks in if the stadium doesn't even have the ability to provide.
I used to kind of find RFK charming in all it's filthy glory, but last night changed that.
Don't fire Soehn, fire the vendors and hire some people who aren't the laziest mofos on planet earth for crying out loud!
DC United will bounce back, but the pathetic vendors won't

Posted by: Dadryan | July 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of everyone bashing Wells. He was clearly the MVP for DC yesterday and the hardest working player. We wouldn't have had a 2-0 game if Wells wasn't in the net.

Martinez was horrible on the left. It was a matter of time before Mullan scored. We don't need another keeper, just a leader in front of our net and a attack minded young striker

Posted by: Matt | July 24, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

We can buy Adu from Benfica/Monaco

Posted by: Matt | July 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

If United had any cap space to offer, here's a defender currently out of contract that would be worth going after...

Dominic Matteo

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Soehn and Kasper is that fundamentally they are not bright, well-educated people. As a result they allow their massive egos to be the governing elements in their decision-making. The result of that is a complete inability to perform the not-so-easy task (for anyone, really) of taking responsibility for their decisions when they turn out badly.

They trumpeted how they built this team so that it would compete on the international stage (SuperLiga, CONCACAF Champions Cup and League) and then they lament their bad luck when it goes south due to injuries. But they have to take responsibility for that: their key player, Gallardo, who they decided would serve their interests better than C. Gomez, the MLS MVP just one year earlier, is a player with quite a lot of games on him, so should they not have expected that he would be slowed by an injury, especially given the heavy volume of matches that the club committed to?

Soehn lost complete confidence in Troy Perkins (he would have been traded if he hadn't received the chance to go overseas) and Bobby Boswell, both players the best at their positions just a year earlier, so he gets Kasper to offload Boswell for a second string keeper whom he expects to perform at the high level that the club had seen in recent years at that position. The symbolism of Bobby's scoring on DCU in SuperLiga cannot be overstated. These decisions are the responsibility of the management team, and only bright people, free of the bluster of a huge ego and a feeling of infallibility, understand the relevance of taking responsibility for the product of their decision-making.

This reminds me of the 2001 version that was the result of Rongen exploding the team and gutting it of the core that won three MLC Cups in the league's first four years. It took them several years to recover from that ego-driven decision-making; it looks as if the same is in store for them now.

Posted by: realrt05 | July 24, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

No no he is almost 40 years old.

Posted by: td | July 24, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ahh I guess I am getting old, I didn't even think of stealing beer...
What has become of me?
Those pretzels are terrible, i sure hope he didn't get in that much trouble.
Reminds me of that story about the guy who stole a ton of butt holes from the cheese factory and got caught...

Posted by: Dadryan | July 24, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

No no he is almost 40 years old.

Posted by: td | July 24, 2008 2:22 PM

Matteo? He's 34

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

For those questioning the timing of the Argy's trip to Munich, you don't stick a knife in your groin at the first sign of a tweak. The surgery performed is pretty much a last resort type of deal.

I'm afraid putting some ice on it and resting thankfully remains steps 1 and 2 before we all scrub up at the first tightening sensation below the belt...

Posted by: JkR | July 24, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Realrt, that is revisionist history.

1. DCU wanted to keep Perkins. We traded Rimando to go with Perkins fulltime, remember? It was Perkins who requested a chance to go overseas. He probably tripled his salary (especially given that he gets part of the transfer fee). Like it or not, DCU has always been good about honoring the wishes of players who want to go elsewhere. The exceptions are probably Agoos to San Jose, Pope to NY.

And don't forget, the team's first option then was to try and trade for Joe Cannon and that deal fell through.

2. Why do people keep insisting that the team decided to choose Gallardo over Gomez or wanted to trade Gomez? The team made a very generous offer to Gomez. The team tried to sign both Gomez and Veron. DCU then extended its deadline to Gomez three times. Christian wanted out. As Goff reported, Gomez became bitter that he wasn't selected as the team MVP, he wanted guaranteed money for all 3 years.

Here's the deal: Perkins wanted to go to Europe and he got an offer. The team tried to sign Gomez for 2 years, extended its deadline several times, guaranteed some years, never bad-mouthed him publicly but he didn't want to stay here.

Those things were independent of Wells and Gallardo. Our acquiring those players didn't drive out Perkins or Gomez. We acquired Wells because Perkins left and the Cannon deal fell through. We acquired Gallardo because Gomez wouldn't sign, it had gotten ugly and we've failed twice with Veron.

Posted by: JoeW | July 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Soehn lost complete confidence in Troy Perkins (he would have been traded if he hadn't received the chance to go overseas)


Posted by: realrt05 | July 24, 2008 2:21 PM

Why do you say that? Troy might have wanted to go overseas to become better and possibly get more chances with the national team. I never saw any indicators that Soehn didn't trust Perkins

Posted by: United fury | July 24, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Wells has actually been getting better. Granted, He looked indecisive on the 2nd goal but considering the shot total was 23-4, were it not for Wells, we should've lost 4-0

Posted by: Douglas | July 24, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

As for Matteo, that doesn't seem like a great long-term move. It seems like a RBNY/Metrodonkey type of move.(Donadoni, Curcic,Matthaus,Waterreus,Schopp)All of which were overated for the most part.(Although none were defenders)

Posted by: United | July 24, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't you all rather have me in the net for DCU instead of Zach Wells?

Posted by: Hope Solo | July 24, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

@Hollywood Hogan -- I am well familiar with the Fenty quote. Hardly a day goes by without someone posting it. If you read my comment, it should be obvious that I thought the poster's comment didn't make sense because he was upset about the power outage -- which falls more in the act of G-d category.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Matteo was an example - he'll probably find his way back on to the Stoke roster in the Premier League. And we don't need a long term move - just someone for (say) the next season and this half.

Like I said, doesn't seem that United have the flexibility anyway. And I'd love to see them sign a strong, young American central defender - but if you can tell anyone where they are, you'll get a hell of a finders fee.

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

For those questioning the timing of the Argy's trip to Munich, you don't stick a knife in your groin at the first sign of a tweak. The surgery performed is pretty much a last resort type of deal.

I'm afraid putting some ice on it and resting thankfully remains steps 1 and 2 before we all scrub up at the first tightening sensation below the belt...

Posted by: JkR | July 24, 2008 2:47 PM
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I get that surgery shouldn't be option #1... I'm sure rest and ice is part and parcel of everyday life at RFK. However, don't you think that the extent of their injuries (esp. Gallardo's whose surgery was "more involved) should have been more apparent after 5-7 days of rest, instead of 2 weeks?

Posted by: HarkesyRules | July 24, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

JoeW:

Re: Perkins: The truth is that had Perkins' opportunity to go overseas not materialzied, he would have been in one way or another off-loaded because Soehn lost confidence in him. Yes, there was a time when DCU wanted to keep him and that decision was what triggered Rimando's trade, but those feelings changed in 2007, and Troy was as good as gone.

Re: Gomez: Christian felt he was being was lowballed when talks were going on during the 2007 season. DCU decided that he was no longer worth the money they had been paying him and would keep him only if he accepted a pay cut. They never offered anything other than one year guaranteed at a reduced salary and any subsequent years were at club option. Rightfully, Christian felt he was worth more than that, but the club, having lost confidence in him, disagreed and looked to replace him, apparently willing to give away the store to a replacement (first to Veron, then to Gallardo) who had not done anything for the club as Christian had in 2004-05-06

Also, let's not forget Erpen. He was another player DCU spent a lot of money on both recruiting (you wouldn't believe how much money DCU spent on its Argentina business - recall Filomeno and Donnet?) and in salary. Soehn lost confidence in him as well (although I can't blame him completely for that judgement), but he off-loaded him for someone (Vanney) who is also gone with little in return.

All I'm saying is that management is responsible for the outcome of these decisions. They're more than willing to step up when the decisions work out and there is credit to be handed out, but when they don't work out, they spin it into a web of disengenuous rhetoric.

Posted by: realrt05 | July 24, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Remind me not to go to your doctor for complaints of a groin strain. He'll have me on the table and cut for what most often is just a strain not requiring a scalpel.


"" Whose to blame for that Soehn, trainers, medical staff??? If they had gone in the first few days of their hernia injuries, they would be just about back by now (certainly in time for the Aug. 2 game, I'm sure).""

Posted by: delantero | July 24, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

This place is full of whiners today.

Posted by: delantero | July 24, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@Hollywood Hogan -- I am well familiar with the Fenty quote. Hardly a day goes by without someone posting it. If you read my comment, it should be obvious that I thought the poster's comment didn't make sense because he was upset about the power outage -- which falls more in the act of G-d category.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | July 24, 2008 3:11 PM

There were no "Acts of God" during any other rain delay that I can remember. Until the last two weeks, we've not had a power outage that I was in attendance for. I've been going for 8 years now and the last power outage occured 8 years ago. It's clear to me the District and the DCSEC just plain doesn't care about United fans. Look at the posts above in re the concessions situation. Now the crowd was given ample warning that the team store was closing, but the concessions closed without a whimper. For shame. And have you walked the hallway from the "B" gate to the supporters sections? There is food in locked cages in the hallway and I noticed bread being stored on top of some proofing ovens. Right out in the open where all sorts of wildlife (birds, rats, insects) can come and do their business. I'm thinking about reporting the concessionier to the DC Department of Health, but likely nothing will get done because DC DOESN'T CARE ABOUT UNITED OR IT'S FANS!

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | July 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

This place is full of whiners today.

Posted by: delantero | July 24, 2008 3:38 PM

Welcome to the Internet after your soccer team loses ;-)

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I get that surgery shouldn't be option #1... I'm sure rest and ice is part and parcel of everyday life at RFK. However, don't you think that the extent of their injuries (esp. Gallardo's whose surgery was "more involved) should have been more apparent after 5-7 days of rest, instead of 2 weeks?

Posted by: HarkesyRules | July 24, 2008 3:27 PM

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It's not the extent of the injury that makes surgery a logical step, it's the lack of response to standard treatment.

You do the surgery when it doesn't respond. Namoff told me he did everything possible to avoid going to Germany, that it was as frightening as could be, being in a country where he didn't speak the language for a new (at that time) kind of surgery on his groin.

I'm amazed at how quickly they decided to take this route, frankly. It's a sign of how accepted this procedure has become.

Posted by: JkR | July 24, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Cheech, thanks for your thoughts. The super strain hasn't budded yet. However since you want back up for previous thoughts. I burn the shwag and do what I can. Simms struggles to pass a ball forward. 85% of his passes are square and backwards, whereas forward passes when attempted are usually picked off. He appears to struggle with shape and balance exemplified by the inability of the midfield to slow anybody down as they transition from the midfield to the attacking third. In his position it his job to be the general of the midfield, slow down the counter and link areas of the field together. He works hard and has good atheleticism, but has been found wanting in brain and organization. namof has similiar positive qualities to simms. As a rb in a four man system it is his job to get forward and provide quality services into dangerous areas. His crosses lack pace and struggle for accuracy or effectiveness. Defensively most of his defending is last resort slide tackling and he has a penchant for ball watching. I have never been a fan of either player and as the level of the league has risen their deficeincies stand out more. Namoff is in the model of Agoos, but you probably thought he was good as well. have a good day bruce

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

JayRockers!

Oh, oh, oh, the Oppressed United Fan, where we are never allowed any fun and are slighted at every opportunity by the Man.

For there is not a greater injustice than the inability to buy expensive beer and overpriced, fattening concession foods!

Posted by: let's get some perspective | July 24, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Really? Perspective?

DC United pay rent (faithfully for 12+ seasons) to the DCSEC. In return, it should be expected that the city's sports commission provides a safe and operating stadium.

As I stated above, it's time for the club and its fans to take their money elsewhere. And these are perhaps the least demanding fans you'll find. All they want is a place to play, drink and maybe wave some flags. Please visit 1500 South Capitol Street for the needy, whining fans.

Posted by: Kev | July 24, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Lack of beer was not an issue in the Mezzanine. They served beer until about midnight (about 20-25 minutes before the game ended).

The big problem for me, was the CSC security staff. My Brother and I were on our way to being ejected from the stadium before we were able to call DCU staff on my cell phone to have them intervene.

As the guys were back on the field warming up to re-start the game, Houston was on the field just below my seats. As we have done for 200+ games from the exact same seats, we yelled down to the Houston players....nothing real bad. Nothing any different than any other DCU game before and no different than any thing that is said by other fans at their stadiums.

Next thing we know, a Lady security guard and a male came up to our seats. She indicated that "someone in the control room had a camera on us and saw us leaning over the rail yelling obscenities at the Houston players". How someone "heard" us yelling through a camera is beyond me, but things just started getting worse by the second.

We were then told that we had to leave the stadium or be quiet and sit down. I agreed not to yell at the players but questioned why we had to sit down. There were no other fans near us (certainly NONE sitting behind us) and we questioned why we had to sit down when we have benn coming to games and standing up and cheering for our team for many years. We requested that they send a supervisor up to explain why we were being treated this way and were given absoloutly NO reason other than "someone" was watching us and had made the decision to eject us.

After going back and forth for a few seconds, this lady gets on the radio and indicates that "there were 2 of us and only her and the guy security guard" there. So, next thing I know this big, huge guy comes down to our seats and tells us that we are being ejected and to immediately leave the stadium with him. As he started to escort us out (very rudely I might add) he hit (actually kinda brushed) my Brother in the head. Luckily, I had my cell phone and I had my ticket rep's number and I called him and between he and Mr. Zack, they were able to intervene and we were "allowed" to stay (and stand) and root for our team until the game was done.

I don't care if these people were tired. I don't care if they wanted to go home. I don't care if it was raining and they were short staffed because they sent people home. There is NO need for the crap we put up with last night at RFK. If CSC ever tries that low-life, intimidating, rude way of handling a situation like last night (which was started by them) they will have a big problem on their hands.

No fan deserves to be treated the way we were treated by the CSC staff as well as the big "muscle-head" they put on us. Something must be done or they will lose fans. I have always loved RFK, but last night was unbelievable and wrong.

Vamos United!!

Posted by: Smitty | July 24, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

realrt05 needs to change his tag as there is nothing real about his posts. Soehn lost confidence in Perkins and was going to off load him? DCU offered Christian a pay cut? Get real, realrt05.

Posted by: JMR | July 24, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"NoVa United"

That name might suit last night's play, but you really need to study the marketing lessons of GM in Mexico.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | July 24, 2008 9:43 AM
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The so-called marketing lessons are a myth:

http://www.snopes.com/business/misxlate/nova.asp

Posted by: tri-village | July 24, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

What about rough diamonds in West Africa?

Portsmouth just signed some attacker, 17 y.o. Gambian youngster after a trial.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fblengprportsmouthkrumah&prov=afp&type=lgns

Revs (Mariner prob. has connections seeing how Pompey were able to get this new guy) were able to recruit Mansally from there and look how he's doing for them. Come on man, get your asses on that next plan to West Africa to find the next Mansally, Ekpo, etc.

Posted by: FarAwayFred | July 24, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't normally complain about concessions since I know the options are miserable and rarely use them. Last night was one of those times when I was really hungry and wanted something to eat and everything was closed. Luckily, my stomach was able to eat at itself as I stood around waiting for any updates on the status of the match. I think beer was closed on the quiet side concourses soon after the delay, but it was still open for a while along with vendors still able to walk 7 feet before selling out on the loud side. Props to the beer guy who went down to the Barra after chants of "Where's the beer guy?" during the heavy rain and lightning when play had been suspended. I have no problems with people doing their jobs, but the plans in place are horrible and are not fan friendly. I didn't really have any problems with CSC and most were friendly although, understandably, they wanted to go home eventually. Many weren't getting paid more and some were volunteers.

Posted by: sitruc | July 24, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the new stadium will be smaller, better designed and easier to manage.
I am not surprised to hear about csc security. Most renta cops are losers with ego problems.
Just do what I do and smoke weed in the concourse and vandalize the bathrooms...
I know that sounds juvenile but it makes me feel gangster!
Seriously though, I think the fans have a fair amount of ammunition to insist on be allowed to bring our picnic baskets. RFK is not just unimpressing Goff's old lady they just can't get it done.
Look what happened to Jet Blue when they screwed their customers, is there something we as supporters of the club do to change the rules and be allowed to bring our own vittles?
Most of the security doesn't even know the rules themselves(they are supposed to let you bring in a bottle of water!).
Lets get the rules changed!!!!!!!!!
And on a side note I expect Sushi and Sake at the new stadium!

Posted by: Dadryan | July 24, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

@realrt05:

Re: Perkins: The truth is that had Perkins' opportunity to go overseas not materialized, he would have been in one way or another off-loaded because Soehn lost confidence in him.

And you know this because...? Without evidence to back that up I just don't believe this laughable statement (that you claim is the unequivocal "truth"). Soehn would want to dump an '06 keeper of the year after '07 for whatever he hoped to find (and afford) on the open market?

Sure.

Jow W is right. All published account said Troy wanted to go overseas and make some coin. DCU let him and then signed what turned out to be a crap keeper. You have evidence to the contrary?

I know this is this Internets and all but you should try to come with something stronger than "the truth is", otherwise I'd suggest going with "I suspect" or "in my opinion."

Re: Gomez: Christian felt he was being was lowballed when talks were going on during the 2007 season. DCU decided that he was no longer worth the money they had been paying him and would keep him only if he accepted a pay cut. They never offered anything other than one year guaranteed at a reduced salary and any subsequent years were at club option. Rightfully, Christian felt he was worth more than that, but the club, having lost confidence in him, disagreed and looked to replace him, apparently willing to give away the store to a replacement (first to Veron, then to Gallardo) who had not done anything for the club as Christian had in 2004-05-06

Re: Gomez: Once again I agree with JoeW. From what I read, the problem with Gomez' demands were the three guaranteed years. There's NO FREAKIN' WAY that would be a responsible thing to do for the DCU FO. Gomez is 33.

Posted by: KR in DC | July 24, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: JoeW | July 24, 2008 2:53 PM"

Well said JoeW, took the words right out of my mouth for the most part.

Losing Perkins was huge but we couldn't keep him, he wanted to play in Europe. I don't see where the Soehn lost confidence in him charge is coming from. I never saw any hints of that.

I don't know the details behind the Gomez negotiations though, if somebody's got a legit source/link to that info I'd appreciate it.

Posted by: uranderson | July 24, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Still drying out over here.

Those of you upset at the lack of concessions didn't try hard enough. My friend managed to score a handful of crackers, a pretzel, and some kind of apple dessert pastry, all via asking concession workers. These all came for free, and all were had over an hour after the delay began.

Now, onto the game:

Houston should have been up by 3 at halftime. Wells did a good job, but for me it was more down to bad Houston finishing and luck (good for us, bad for them). The starting lineup, with Pat Carroll at RB, Namoff in the middle, McTavish at RM, Fred at AM, and no Doe, was a big mistake. Shuffling an already weak back four against Houston was a bad idea, as was not using our fastest attacker (Doe) to exploit Houston's one defensive weakness (speed). Soehn's first sub made the right adjustment defensively, but there's no good reason for Dyachenko to come in there and not Doe. I know I sound like a broken record saying we should use Doe, but until Gallardo and Quaranta come back, our best team has Moreno at AM and Doe up top.

At halftime, DC was given the great blessing of only having 1 goal to pull back despite doing its best job to imitate a Ray Hudson era United. The 8 minutes played before the rains came were 8 of the 10 competent minutes we played (there was that 2 minute span where we had Simms go close and Doe denied by Onstad). After the delay, we reverted to 1st half form and were appropriately finished off.

I'm not on the fire Soehn bandwagon, but last night he definitely should have taken some responsibility in his post-match quotes. We came out with nothing to start the game, despite Soehn saying it was a very important match the day before. We came out with an obviously wrong starting XI. A correction was made (after going down 1-0 and being utterly dominated), but still involved bringing in a player obviously not good enough to change things. Those paying attention after halftime likely noticed we changed to a 3412 (Wells; Namoff, McTavish, Burch; Thompson, Martinez, Simms, Fred; Dyachenko; Moreno, Emilio), which worked better than I would have expected. After the delay, we lost any fire we might have had and the game turned sloppy.

With the field in the condition it was in, we needed to make changes during the break. Any attempt at actual soccer (dribbling, short passes, etc) needed to be eschewed in favor of turning it into an NCAA game (namely an emphasis on simple defending, balls over the top, and athleticism). Doe was already in, but I think we could have used Kirk for Fred or Moreno. The conditions make it impossible for either of them to play the way they know how, so why try to force it? Kirk's speed and strength would have caused Houston problems, no matter where we lined him up. After the game, Simms said we tried to play too short and should have gone long, and he was right. Boswell, Ianni, and Waibel are all slow, and Barrett is not exactly fast; why did we not see situations like the Doe breakaway more often?

I can only hope that last night was the nadir of the season, and that the new players Soehn mentioned are coming. From where I sit, here's the priority list:

1. A good center back. I realize these don't grow on trees for teams with MLS resources, but we need someone and we need them a month ago. McTavish is in poor form, Burch is not a center back, and Martinez is apparently either banned from CB or refusing to play there. Peralta is looking better and better via his absence. If we do nothing else in this transfer window, we absolutely must get another defender that is at least as good as Peralta. Here are 2 players we could get without much trouble: Dasan Robinson (competing with 5 other CBs in Chicago, salary below $50K) or Shavar Thomas (has apparently fallen out of favor with Preki). I realize that neither is a world-beater, but they'd be better than McTavish on current form, better than Burch as a CB, and bring size, decent speed, and are both capped by their national teams. Ideally, we have contacts with better options abroad that none of us in Internet nut land know about.
2. Attacking midfield depth. We are learning just how subtly good Gallardo is by how we are totally at a loss in replacing him. Dyachenko should be waived or traded, if we can find an MLS team foolish enough to take him. Moreno and Fred can both do an adequate job in Gallardo's role, but we are left with holes in their former roles when they move. We need someone that can replace Gallardo when he's hurt or tired that is a specialist AM.
3. GK. Wells has improved, and some of us have recognized that. Still, it's clear that he needs, at the minimum, a competitor for his job. Not only that, but this team needs 3 keepers. As much as Wells is the target of both well thought out and nonsensical criticism, imagine where we'd be if he got hurt. Thorpe, who has only a few reserve matches under his belt, would be starting and we'd have an MLS pool keeper on the bench.
4. Wide midfielder. Quaranta and Fred give us good starters, but we need more depth. Mediate is out until who knows when, Thompson is a good worker and decent crosser but will never be more than a late sub quality-wise, and Kirk is inconsistent and has no touch. Adding a CB would allow us to possibly use Burch at LM when needed, which would alleviate this need somewhat.

I know some people will think I'm nuts for listing GK as our 3rd concern, but without a good AM our possession game falls apart, and there's not a keeper on the planet that can help us.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | July 25, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

How can we make official complaints about the concessions at RFK? How do we email? All season long there have been too few vendors. And we should be able to bring in food like the Nats folks. How does the saying go...treat them like_____& they will act like ______!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 26, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I still cannot believe we even tried for Veron! What a mistake that would've been. Putting all our hopes on that was just plain stupid! I miss Gomito & wish that all that Veron drool hadn't diminished his importance to the club. What are the details? IMO Gomez deserves a monster salary wherever he plays...and it was great to see him score against the hammers & man, was the scoop beautiful as well!

Posted by: leo | July 26, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

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