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Matchnight: United-Revs

I am in Guatemala City, not Foxborough. The Post has a freelance writer in place to cover the DCU-NE match at Estadio Gillette. As always, this is the ultimate place for pregame, in-game and postgame discussion. I will create a SEPARATE international thread later for the USA-Guatemala match and the other qualifiers/friendlies. Feel free to use this one for the second MLS match tonight: Chivas USA at Houston.

Remember all those denials Colorado folks issued last week concerning Insider reports that Fernando Clavijo was on his way out and English assistant Gary Smith would take over? The move was made official today. While the team cited Clavijo's recent family emergency as playing a part in the decision, this move has been in the works for quite some time. The Rapids will visit RFK on Saturday.

By Steve Goff  |  August 20, 2008; 3:40 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United , Indoor , MLS  
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Comments

it is about time they let him go

Posted by: vasco | August 20, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Its revenge time for the rapids on Saturday. Sorry Rapids!

Posted by: kris | August 20, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

You think Christian Gomez will be in the starling XI on Saturday?

Posted by: dadryan | August 20, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't United usually get to play a team right BEFORE they fire their coach? RSL can't do anything right.

Posted by: skippy | August 20, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

IIRC, strictly speaking they denied that he had *already* been shown the door. Though there may have been other more blanket denials I'm unaware of.

In any case, the Insider was right again!

Posted by: Ron | August 20, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

dadryan:

They just won on the weekend with Gomez sitting the bench and Ballouchy starting. Looks like the new guy has a tough decision straight away.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 20, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

DC's gonna win this one 13-0.

Hey, if San Jose can beat them 4-0, and DC is 9 spots ahead of SJ in the overall standings, wouldn't that make sense?

;D

Posted by: bob | August 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Just win, baby.

Posted by: Ron | August 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

umm, I meant ColoColorado.

Posted by: skippy | August 20, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Anytime United gets to play the Revolution without Matt Ries, it's lucky and better make the most of the opportunity.

I'm still thinking a 1-1 draw, but without Reis, maybe we squeek out a win.

Posted by: TCompton | August 20, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Nando got fired right after Bruce was hired - he would have been a good conductor to continue the trainwreck that is the LA Galaxy.

Posted by: Henchlow | August 20, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

If Reis plays

1-0 Revs

If he doesn't

3-1 United

Vamos United!!!

Posted by: United fury | August 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Goff, you are a clown. trying to claim that this was in the works and salvage your lack of credibility is a joke. Clearly the family issues were the final decision piece. Colorado had no intentions of blowing him out before the contract was up or they would have long ago (as far back as preseason). You need to stop Ives mongering with your obvious rumors and sources that don't exist or are fringe at best.

Posted by: Hitman Stan | August 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it, and I'm knocking on every single piece of wood I can get my hands on, but the way this roller coaster season has been going, we might be seeing another loss tonight.

Let's go United, please prove me wrong!

Posted by: DCUMD | August 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Stan,
Clearly you don't read this blog very often. Goff's non-existent fringe sources are the most reliable out of any soccer blog I've ever read.

Although I do kind of like the term "Ives mongering".

Posted by: DCUMD | August 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

What's going on in that front office that they rationalize firing the guy because of a sick relative?

Very disturbing that they had so many denials and jump on family sickness as a convenient circumstance. I don't think Colorado will get any better while this organizational sickeness exists in their franchise.

Posted by: Eugene | August 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Stan, call a spade a spade.

Goff has been saying for some time that Clavijo was on the way out at Colorado.

Please tell me why the team need to let him go while he was attending to his family? They could have kept him on and still put Smith in as interim coach in his absence. No reason to "part ways" with the guy unless you don't want him around at all.

Look, Goff intimated it would happen and it happened. Where there's smoke, there's fire.

Posted by: Eugene | August 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Stan, get a life, dude!! Goff has broken a lot of stories in the last week (Edu, Feilhaber, Ruiz etc etc etc), month, year. Other than Ives, no one's close. He was all over the Clavijo story before anyone else. If Fernando's family didn't have an emergency, would he have "left" for good? We'll never know. But IMO, Colorado was getting ready to dump him, like Goff said, and the family emergency just postponed the inevitable.


Posted by: DCU UCD | August 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

RTA.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_10254449

Fernando Clavijo has resigned as coach of the Rapids effective immediately, he confirmed this morning prior to practice.

Clavijo, 52, informed the players of his decision at this morning's practice. The team announced in a statement the decision was a "mutually amicable agreement."

Posted by: RK | August 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Hitman Stan: Please keep posting under that blog name so that we'll know to discount all associated messages as ignorant vituperation.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 20, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Stan, keep vituperatin'....

Posted by: JkR | August 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Man, when I was a reporter, I wish that I had the kind of sources that Goff has. The guy can cover MLS better than anyone else.

So Hittman Stan, stop hatin'!

Posted by: Bill in Md. | August 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

You gotta admit, strange way to can - I mean mutually fire - a guy.

Nothing against Clavijo, but MLS tends to hold too long on to and/or retread mediocre coaches. Let's get some new blood in the mix.

But first, there must be a blood letting. The Rapids must be made to suffer on Saturday.

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Did I already miss Tino on WPL?
Normally Russ isn't so bad, but these guys sure had some stupid questions for Serena Williams...

Posted by: dadryan | August 20, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Away at New England, I feel a victory coming -- but only by a razor's edge.

I feel the team is about to gel, but it'll be a close shave. By a whisker, even...

Posted by: Joe Doc | August 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

That's some pretty sharp commentary there, Joe Doc, maybe even a little on the PUNgent side...

Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 20, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Off the Goff!

Posted by: ELAC | August 20, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I dunno. Don't the Revs have home field advantage?

Get it? Get it? When you say "have home field" out loud, it sounds like "have foam field" and some people use foam instead of a gel.

Oh. You're giving me the brush off?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 20, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

That's pretty cheeky, I-270, Exit 1.

I certainly took it at face value...

Posted by: Joe Doc | August 20, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Stan, you think Goff is a clown, yet here you are giving his blog more hits. Whose the clown again?

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | August 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

We're widely read
And often quoted
But it's shaves
Not signs
For which we're noted

Posted by: Burma-Shave | August 20, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice that the tags on this thread include "Indoor"? Sly reference to the playing surface.

By Steve Goff | August 20, 2008; 3:40 PM ET D.C. United , Indoor , MLS

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 20, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hitman Stan, we should get you together with PB. You'll get along ever so well.

Reis is questionable, said earlier in the week that he would make himself available. We'll see how it goes; the step down between him and Warren is huge.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 20, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Starters and lineup from BTB. Apologies if this is elsewhere.

--------Emilio------Moreno-------
----------------------------------------
Quaranta---------------------Fred
---------------------------------------
---------Vide-------Simms--------
----------------------------------------
Zaher----------------------Namoff
-------Burch----McTavish--------
----------------------------------------
---------------Crayton--------------

Subs: Thorpe, Kirk, Thompson, Carroll, Cordeiro.

Posted by: Section 130 | August 20, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Word here at 5200 feet is that the players are psyched to have a coach who actually develops a gameplan; and that Gomez is going to be on the bench for a while until he gets his lazy *ss in shape. He hasn't lasted more than 60 minutes in a game here all season, which is fine if your are coming back from an injury, but he has no excuse.

Anyway, last week was a different Colorado team than I've seen all season. The interim coach ran their reserve program, and all the players have nothing but great things to say about his coaching ability and style. I guess we'll see if he can keep things moving on Sat.

Posted by: Hacksaw | August 20, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The erstwhile stringer checking in from Foxboro.

I'll obviously defer to BTB on the lineup.

Here's what the Revs will play:

Warren
Heaps - Parkhurst - Albright
Smith - Larentowicz - Ralston - Joseph - Nyassi
Cristman - Twellman

Reis is not on the bench.

Posted by: Kyle McCarthy | August 20, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

MLSnet showing the same info for United. Only 5 subs...did people get hurt in the warm-up? And is Wells going to be traded away (since we have Thorpe on the bench as the back-up)?

Bizarre stuff. Zaher is being thrown straight into the deep end, having to cope with Nyassi's speed.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 20, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like we're throwing our B-team/usual USOC squad out there, since NE did it for us last week.

Posted by: RK | August 20, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching SportsNite?
Crayton just referred to DC United as the "Real Madrid or Manchester United of MLS".
Geez, I wouldn't go that far...

Posted by: bob | August 20, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I gotta know something right now: Why are there only 5 people on D.C.'s bench?

Posted by: person | August 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I gotta know something right now: Why are there only 5 people on D.C.'s bench?
.........................................

Olsen's brother wasn't available?

Posted by: The Jeff | August 20, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have his sister.

Posted by: Materrazi | August 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Goff: Are you listening to Limarzi online like the rest of us?

Posted by: The Jeff | August 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Dyachenko didn't even make the bench. Is he injured?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 20, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Bob,

And why not? This Man U and Real Madrid Crayton speaks of sound like they might be winning clubs with long histories of Championships . . . I wouldn't ever mind if we are compared to them . . .

"granted it's of MLS"

>>>>>>>>>
Anyone watching SportsNite?
Crayton just referred to DC United as the "Real Madrid or Manchester United of MLS".
Geez, I wouldn't go that far...

Posted by: bob | August 20, 2008 7:30 PM

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if I missed it before but where is Guerrero tonight? Is he out on yellow card accumulation?

Ohh I forgot how much I love football season. Did they just paint the white lines before this game?

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 20, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Nyassi is a punk

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Just tuned in and Nyassi's two handed shove is NOT given a card?

McTBONE has to learn how to sell that one . . FALL, kid, Fall

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Its only the 7th minute and its already getting rough. So which of our players are already in yellow card trouble? My guess is more than one of our players will be missing on Saturday.

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 20, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Guerro is on national team duty. Zaher looks good...

Posted by: northzax | August 20, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

First card in the 20th to Simms.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Stuck at work-updates please!

Posted by: pigman sweet | August 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm stuck at work, too, but I do have this resource:

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=249#

Posted by: The Jeff | August 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Zach Wells not being on the match roster is very suspicious at this point in time.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

looks like the change in goalies didn't change the habit of giving up strange, disjointed, bizarre goals.

Posted by: birdy | August 20, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

What happened?

Posted by: pigman sweet | August 20, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

1-0 on a pinball that found Twellman's feet.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

for those of you stuck at work or don't have comcast

http://www.justin.tv/cramex

Posted by: your Pusher | August 20, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I missed the first 35 min on my commute home. It doesn't look like we have too many shots are we playing well or no? New keeper we should be testing him. Any thoughts or comments?

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

43 minutes in and we've only had a few good, but LONG looks at Warren. Fred, Vide with two that were close, but for the most part, we are playing too many hopeful long balls to no one . .

Their goal was all Namoff. He was drawn out of his RB position at midfield and dove in on two Revs, missed them both, and left Smith WIDE open. At midfield, there's no reason for an outside back to dive in . .. stay ORGANIZED!!

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I missed the first 35 min on my commute home. It doesn't look like we have too many shots are we playing well or no? New keeper we should be testing him. Any thoughts or comments?

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 8:19 PM
----

DCU has done squat. 3 shots or so, all from outside the box. tons of giveaways

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

we can't string two passes together

NE's defense is keeping DC way outside. We have no penetration. No good passing, not a lot of useful running.

Posted by: Glenn | August 20, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

On Revs goal,

Plus Zaher was defending space and his mark slid and half shot/half knocked the ball back to Twellman . . .

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

delantero- thanks for the update. We don't seem to be able to get much in the way of good passing or control. Seem to be back on our heels. Turf sucks!!

We can do this lets hope for a better second half.

Go United

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

crazy little pinball goal for twellz
big deal
Is Vide a Ben Olsen clone, with a little sprinkling of extra violence?
Zaher worked against Sainey well.
I am banking on Fred getting a goal tonight if they can do something to keep him from having to mark Shalrie.
Very not boring game to watch so far.
Come on United!

Posted by: dadryan | August 20, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Is Quaranta going to start on this DC team once we get all our starters back? He seems to still be very inconsistant.

Posted by: dcchilidog | August 20, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

yawn.

Posted by: birdy | August 20, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

How big does the crowd look?

Posted by: CACuzcatlan | August 20, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

This is why I come to this blog, everyone here is completely helpful. Best fans in the world

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

decent crowd for a weekday in new England.

Posted by: northzax | August 20, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

This is another ugly game. The Revs are almost exclusively looking to use their speed on the flanks, as Ralston and Joseph have been very quiet. New England scored on the only chance either team created. delantero summed it up well: Namoff out of position, and Fred tried to cover for him but had too much ground to make up on Smith. Not much Crayton could do. The Revs have had more of the ball and run of play, but again, they've only created one chance. Meanwhile, all we can get going are shots from 30 yards (granted, Fred had Warren beat with his attempt that went just wide).

Going forward, we are doing OK at times but we haven't been able to unlock the Revs and get into the box. Moreno is getting hounded every time he's on the ball, and Emilio is being starved of service. When he's had the ball, no one's near enough for a combination to spring him into the box.

I think we need more of a presence in between their back three and their midfield. Vide and Simms are not attacking midfielders, and Quaranta and Fred are both staying wide to help defend. Those two are going to have to cut into the middle and take advantage of the space there.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

3-5-2? Thompson for Zaher. Tino to CAM. This could get ugly, but what else can you do?

Posted by: northzax | August 20, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Zaher looked like he was being consoled by some teammates - Soehn must have laid into him at the half.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

After watching the 3-5-2 get picked apart up at NY why does Soehn think it'll work now?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

jeez. how the heck did that go in?

this game is over.

Posted by: Glenn | August 20, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

and there we go, Laurentowitz with a 25 yarder.

Posted by: northzax | August 20, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

ok, what's PLAN C for our goalie search?

Posted by: birdy | August 20, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Crayton was horrible there, worse than Wells.

I guess I should hope for a draw, but seeing that game in hand wasted, and the crestfallen looks on the faces of my United supporting colleagues, makes not splitting the points worthwhile.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Great halftime adjustments, coach...

Posted by: spike_2.0 | August 20, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Wells now!! Hahahaha

Posted by: pigman sweet | August 20, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh sorry, that was me.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 20, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

That was dumb by moreno

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

""Wow. Crayton was horrible there, worse than Wells.""

Looked like a deflection to me . . . either way, it doesn't much matter now as the result seems determined.

Switching to 3-5-2 at 1-0 was a bit risky at 45 minutes.

I didn't think the Revs created much in the first half, but they controlled more of the game . . .

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Fred should have gotten the call he is not normally a diver on wide open runs to goal. Thanks Luci for the turn and testing Warren.

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Yeah USOC champs and a CCL qualification spot seems like the only flavor we're gonna have goin' for us this year. Not throwing in the towel but...

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

one on one save by crayton on twellman

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

If that were Wells, it'd be 3-0.

McTavish tries to pull a solo offside trap, Namoff doesn't see it and keeps Twellboy on side, giving him an easy look but Crayton makes a nice save.

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice save Crayton! D diving in on balls they have no chance at

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

GOAL DC JAIME!

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I like Fred on the left it allows him to set up the right foot a little better as long as he is going to cut inside.

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

IT AINT OVER!!! 2-1, goal by Moreno after some nice work, rebound comes to Jaime for a nice chip . . . .

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

GOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

goal jaime. a cheeky little chip.

Posted by: Northzax | August 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

A little late on my post, but that proves the point. Nice veteran shot by Jaime

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Jaime is a monster!!

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Jaime for Presidente!!!

Posted by: spike_2.0 | August 20, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

NEAR GOAL BY QUARANTA ON A FREE KICK
hit the top of the net

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Kirk in fro Fred

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Fred out with a hammy. Is that the same one he injured early in the season?

Posted by: Glenn | August 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The injury bug bites again, poor Fred.

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

No more free kicks by Tino please. I hate to say it but Burch is better

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

fred out. too bad. hope it's not a big injury

Posted by: downtown | August 20, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

kirk for fred. Looks like another hammie.

Posted by: northzax | August 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

quaranta alone against 2 ne defendres..
shot right at warren

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Sorry didn't see that the Tino shot went off the top of the net, computer skip, just saw it go long

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Another chance, Tino needs to calm down a bit show a bit more composure, but I like how this is turning out.

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

nice cross in for twellman..
but a better for Crayton

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Offsides Kirk, for once I'd like to see a replay of offsides by COMCAST . . .

That wouldn't have been 2-2

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Kirk need to eat his dammed Wheaties!!

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

C.Thompson boot to the faace
by Kahno Smith

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

near goal by ne
cleared off the line by namoff

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Khano Smith also gave a BS shove to Moreno's face a few minutes ago. THUG.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

the ghost of Wells

Posted by: spike_2.0 | August 20, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

free kick from burch 40 yards. out
yeah. the lines come in handy

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

delanero- I agree but if he was offsides it was a bad one. Kirk is on the outside he needs to know to hold his run a little.

Kosh- Kirk has to stay up he gets pushed over very easily for a big guy with very little skill. If speed is your game use it.


Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

SHOW OF HANDS!
WHO HERE HATES KHANO SMITH?

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Very little skill?

I thought you were writing about Kirk, not Dyachenko.

Posted by: Huih? | August 20, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Teacher Teacher, me me me - I hate Smith!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I rarely comment, but when I do I always lament the FAKE FIELD...well fake is one thing, but MINUATURE is INEXCUSABLE. This field is about 106 yards long?!!!! why don't they just play at the local high school...at least they would pack those stands ;)

Seriously, MLS earns no "worldwide" respect when the sport is treated like an "american afterthought"...

can anyone explain the short field tonight?


Posted by: another ron | August 20, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

great chance by corderio
to cross it in..
maybe went to 2-3 yards..

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

ok its over.... i hate new england.. i hate khano smith.. i hate umm... twellman.. yeah.. i hate him too

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

so i was looking foward to dc united.. and they lost..
now im looking foward to el salvador...
i have a feeling something bad is going to happen

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

We've lost this one, and yes Khano Smith is a thug. I cannot wait to see him crying when he loses out on another title.

Kirk needs to grow a pair.

Tino, was tired and I understand that but to make it to the next level he needs to calm down and compose his chances better. He's young, I think he'll get it.

Jaime carried the team but did not have much help.

DC BETTER WIN THE USOC!

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

i am not one to constantly blame coaching, but why, why, why, does it take this team FOREVER to show any urgency??

Posted by: birdy | August 20, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

At the most recent and 4th MLS Cup loss by the Revs, Smith came over to launch his sweaty, losing jersey into the crowd of Revs supporters.

Unfortunately for him, it landed in the hands of a black-hoodied Brava member who threw it back, yelling

""YOU'RE NOT WORTHY!!!!""

>>>>
SHOW OF HANDS!
WHO HERE HATES KHANO SMITH?

Posted by: Spartan | August 20, 2008 9:24 PM

Posted by: delantero | August 20, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Player ratings:

Jaime Moreno 10

rest of team 1


Moreno was the only player who wanted to win tonight.

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 20, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Huih- I have not seen him show that much skill on the ball, but to be on the fair side I have not seen that much of him. If I was overly critical than I am sorry. I only see him at the end of a match on the internet. I don't get to see any of the reserve matches.

Posted by: dc in asheville | August 20, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Arena to the Galaxy will haunt DC United upper brass for a long while! Soehn is shaky...

Posted by: Alan | August 20, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

As for Soehn, he better win the USOC. If he fails to do so he will have to go the way of the Dodo, the Gullit and the Clavijo.

You know what even if he does win, I hope DC brass keep their eyes and options open...you know make it an open relationship...

Posted by: Kosh | August 20, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I think the short field is so they can put the box at the 20 so there isn't confusion.

Posted by: northzax | August 20, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"can anyone explain the short field tonight?"

Why are there always a few people trying to make excuses about how the mighty United didn't get to play their beautiful game?

MLS-- and this is a fact-- a secondary sport, trying to move up. That means being a second tenant, playing second-choice dates. DC is lucky enough to have been able to have a pretty good stadium situation for years, excepting the baseball field. But it's not because there's anything special about United. It's because they were lucky enough to inherit an otherwise tenant-less stadium on a mass transit line.

Fact is, MLS games will be played on the fake stuff. Don't tell me there aren't fieldturf pitches around-- I played on one in Fairfax a few months ago. Unless DC is just too awesome to deign to practice on fieldturf, the team needs to train on the surface they will play on.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 20, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I too hate Khano Smith.

If he keeps it up, Naissey's not far behind either.

Posted by: DCUMD | August 20, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I thought Burch played great tonight, mainly in the second half, when it came to winning balls and distributing out of the back...

Posted by: Josh | August 20, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Arena wouldn't have changed much here other than give better quotes to the press.

Better 2nd half for DC, but it takes the 2nd goal for NE to get us going. I'd like to have seen a better replay from Comcast on the Fred non-call, since we know that a) Heaps is a goon, b) Fred doesn't dive when he's already in a very dangerous spot, and c) Heaps is a liar, cheat, charlatan, and communist.

That said, on the balance, 2-1 is probably a fair result. With the players missing, the short bench, and Fred coming off hurt early, a result tonight would have been huge. We didn't play poorly, we just didn't play all that well either; too many 5 ratings, and too few 6s and 7s. There isn't a team in MLS that can get away with a mediocre night against the Revs and get points on anything approaching a regular basis.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 20, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

P.S. I agree with MJ, in that we clearly need to have a practice session or two on turf. We've now lost 4 of 5 games on the surface, and were absolutely pasted by teams that aren't that good (RSL and NY). Tonight, the defending was there for the most part, but we never got the measure of our passes.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 20, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to figure out why DCU is forced to make an adjustment by halftime in EVERY game. It's not first half injuries, so the only thing I can come up with is Soehn's gameplans must suck. He's 1.5 years into his tenure and he's seen every team at least 3-4 times. Why hasn't he figured out how to win consistently?

And another thing, his off-season signings and trades sucked (where are you Franco Neill?)!

So his eye for talent is mediocre at best. He tinkers with lineups and formations and gameplans. No wonder the performances are so up and down. And he looks confused most of the time on the sideline. Take away the long win streak last year and this is a .500 team at best under Soehn. If this team doesn't bounce back for a deep run in the playoffs, I hope we go in a different direction next season (if not before).

Posted by: Erik Mondero | August 20, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree with DCUMD. Why do we have Kirk? He is such a wimp. He gets pushed off everything. Love our Goalie. He has talent and guts.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 20, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record --1.) Its hard to win games by passing backward 3 out of 5 times.
2.) Tino cannot shoot.3.) NE definitely wanted the ball more in 1st half than DCU.
We look tired and lazy on offense.
4.)Without Jaime, we have NO OFFENSE-- was Emilio playing tonight? 5.) Has Gallardo taken his money into retirement??? VERY DISAPPOINTED IN OUR EFFORT-- NE WAS BETTER TEAM tonight.

Posted by: Mike | August 20, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Burch played great in the second half. Definitely one of his better games this season. I'm still not sure why we have Kirk. He's so slow and doesn't fight for anything. We should have put Cordeiro in way before kirk.

Oh, and Khano Smith is an effing D-BAG.

Posted by: kris | August 20, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Looked at the 2nd NE goal again. No deflection. Crayton was leaning the wrong way, and got beat by a ball three feet away.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 20, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, as a Revs fan, even on his best days, Khano frustrates the hell out of us with his alternately lazy and reckless play. But i don't think your boys were exactly being fitted for halos, either. Looked to me like Cristman should've had a penalty given on one of those late, late chances, but then, i was at the game...

Posted by: rob c | August 20, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Smith is a bad ass not a D-bag. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Fred just couldn't keep up.
Crayton pushed for more, I hope these guys can look in to capitalizing on a quick goal kick this weekend vs Colorado and beyond.
Burch showed a lot of poise and balls in this game. That's it for now. Nice to see some more reserves doing some stuff.
Pick our battles wisely, expending too much on the strongest opponents in the league at any given time is wasted effort if we can't put teams like colorado away on the weekend.
Did anyone really expect United to win with the lineup that was put out tonight? I did if we could have scored first...
You win some, you lose some. At least we beat Chicago away...
Vamos United!

Posted by: dadryan | August 20, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

we need gallardo back...admit it, we were playing much better with him in the line up

The Jaime-Gallardo duo, matched with whoever wants to step up into the attack (Fred/Emilio/Tino) is crazy lethal..

You know, this record isn't that much different than in 2004 when we won the cup..we sneak in and then tear up

Just sayin'

Posted by: steve III | August 20, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"we need gallardo back...admit it, we were playing much better with him in the line up"

He has had injury problems for the last four years. He's fragile, and heals slowly. If you sign a player like him (and when he's healthy he's great), you have to expect him to miss games.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 20, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I hate to spew such sweeping generalizations but isn't it a shame that all these Concacaf teams are such sore losers? Never trust men with long fingernails, they fight like women.

Posted by: dadryan | August 21, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

oops wrong thread.
Heeeey, What's happenin' MJ?

Posted by: dadryan | August 21, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Anybody here see a penalty that was not called when Cristman was pulled down in the box off of a direct kick in the second half?

How about Burch shoving Twellman into the sign boards? Burch is a very physical player. If he was in another team he might have been a thug tonight. His physical play got in Twellman's head and psyched him out.

I swear I saw Jaime out run two NE players tonight.

Larentowicz's goal is basically the same goal that Reis gave up to Chicago last week. A long distance knuckleball that froze the goalie and then changed directions. Nothing you can do about that.

Posted by: tsingletonvt | August 21, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm staying up to do some work, dadryan. Which I'm not doing right now, and it's after 1 AM. Ugh.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 21, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

If that's a penalty for Cristman, then every team that gets a corner gets a penalty every time. Sorry, Revs fans, but that would have been an extremely soft PK. Was he pulled down? Yes. Does it happen all the time and go uncalled? Yes again.

And did I really see another person trash Gallardo for a game he didn't play in? Really? If that's how things are going to be, then I blame the loss tonight on Scott Vermillion.

MJ:

Yeah, I just took a 2nd look and the ball just moved on Crayton, who was sunk. I remember Rimando getting fooled by Preki like that on at least 3 occasions. Larentowicz normally hits lasers, but this time his shot had a tricky sort of movement on it. Credit to him.

Ratings after watching the hideous US-Guatemala game:

Crayton: 4 (fooled by Larentowicz's shot and was bailed out by Namoff after coming off his line too slowly late on)
Namoff: 5 (first goal had a lot to do with him getting caught out, but he was much better in the 2nd half and saved a goal)
McTavish: 6 (not involved in the goals, looked steady)
Burch: 6 (overall strong game, though he might have been able to prevent Twellman's goal)
Zaher: 4 (didn't do anything in particular wrong, but Nyassi had the better of him consistently)
Quaranta: 5 (typical energy from Tino, but little product)
Vide: 5 (solid defensively, but again exposed as being not much more than a destroyer)
Simms: 5 (would have liked to see him position himself for some long shots or late runs; did OK otherwise)
Fred: 5 (A couple good flashes, and I thought he won a penalty on Heaps; still, it wasn't there consistently on a night it was needed)
Moreno: 7 (here's your nightmare for the night: one day, Jaime will retire)
Emilio: 4 (being starved of service is one thing, but he didn't do enough to force himself into the game)

Thompson: 4 (didn't get into the attack enough for me)
Kirk: 3 (looked distinctly below the class required; he's big, strong, and fast, yet was outrun and outmuscled by Smith time and again)
Cordeiro: 5 (nearly created a chance in a cameo role)

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 21, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

McTavish: 6 (not involved in the goals, looked steady)
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He certainly wasn't involved in marking his man on the first goal.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Fire Scott Vermillion!

Posted by: B.A. | August 21, 2008 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Chest, that would have been a hard shot to save, the way it knuckled. Bad break for Crayton, who is definitely a step up in the goal.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 21, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I say blame Christian Gomez for last nights loss...
More seriously though, I don't think I've seen any ball keeper outers work as hard as Crayton did last night to push the troops to not give up. United has a tendency to fall apart when things aren't going their way, I hope Crayton can drive the team to success.
We'll have Guerrero,and Martinez back this weekend right?
Any other yellow card suspensions?

Posted by: dadryan | August 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

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