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Morning Kickaround

*As the Galaxy and Chivas USA prepare for their Home Depot Center derby tonight (11 p.m. ET, ESPN2), the L.A. Times's Grahame Jones looks at the Galaxy's coaching search and who might be considered.

*A look back at the USA Olympic exit by The Post's Amy Shipley.

*USA national team coach Bob Bradley today will announce his roster for next Wednesday's World Cup qualifier at Guatemala.

*If you're free tonight and tired of watching the local minor league baseball team Nationals lose, head down to RFK for the friendly between El Salvador and T&T.

*The USA women are making final preparations for Friday's Oly quarterfinal against Canada in magnificent Shanghai. Kickoff is 6 a.m. ET with USA Network and the NBC Olympic Soccer Channel providing coverage.

*A BBC blog takes a look at soccer in China.

*Crystal Palace Baltimore advanced to the USL2 semifinals with a 7-6 penalty kick victory over Harrisburg, which followed a 2-2 tie through 120 minutes. They'll play at top-seeded Charlotte on Saturday.

I will be back later from DCU practice at RFK.....

By Steve Goff  |  August 14, 2008; 9:21 AM ET
Categories:  MLS , Olympics , U.S. men's national team , USL , Women  
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Men's Olympic team is out, and the women are likely soon to follow, though they will likely make it to the final. The women's bootball apprach just will not cut it against the top teams.

Posted by: Ron | August 14, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

soooooo, what is it you're trying to say? Way to hedge your bets...
US women will crush Canada.
Go USA!

Posted by: dadryan | August 14, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Men's Olympic team is out, and the women are likely soon to follow, though they will likely make it to the final.

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Whuuuuh? I guess after the final, everyone will be out, won't they.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 14, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Grahame Jones' list consists of all the obvious candidates. Curious to see if anyone can add a sleeper to the list - like Osorio - who might be on the Gal's radar? Someone with MLS experience and international credibility...

Posted by: Mickey | August 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Baseball team?

Posted by: GoUnited | August 14, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

""who might be on the Gal's radar? ""

Nowak needs a job . . .

Posted by: delantero | August 14, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Meant that the women, as usual are overrated. I don't expect them to win the gold. Until the US women improve dramatically on the technical side of things, they will not win many Olympics or world cups. They beat NZ primarly because they had superior team speed. They can't beat the Brazils or the Germanys on the basis of athleticism anymore. One of these days they are going to have to learn to play soccer.

Posted by: Ron | August 14, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

In one of the Italy men games, Brandi Chastain said something along the lines of, "I like how the Italians don't plan out what they're going to do beforehand. They read the game and move based on what's being given." I think the US women have been drawing out game plans and specific plays, and since they were such better athletes back in Chastain's time, they could just go and follow the playbook move by move. That sounds more like the other football.

Posted by: Giannicolus Jones | August 14, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The United couldn't draw 7,000 fans on a beautiful evening to their game this week. The Nats are bringing in over 30K a night all week. Who's the minor league team?

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Olympic and WWC first place/gold: US -- 4; Germany -- 2; Brazil -- nada, zero, zilch, (What's Portugese for "zero"?)

Olympic and WWC top 3 finishes: US -- 8; Germany -- 5; Brazil -- 3.

"One of these days they are going to have to learn to play soccer." Yeah, OK.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 14, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"The United couldn't draw 7,000 fans on a beautiful evening to their game this week. The Nats are bringing in over 30K a night all week. Who's the minor league team?"

90% of those fans are there to see the mets. they sure aren't there to see the nats.

Posted by: andy | August 14, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

hey PB, how many of those '30k' are season ticket holders? what if the Nats played a game where season tickets didn't exist, one scheduled two weeks in advance? I bet they'd draw less than 7k. how many people went to the rainout rescheduled game a month ago? that was a gorgeous afternoon (I was there) there were perhaps 1,000 people there, maybe. apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

Posted by: northzax | August 14, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"Who's the minor league team?"

What's the Nats' record again? (44-77?) How many of the 30,000 "fans" this week are rooting for the Mets? (More than half) How many of their players are really major leaguers? (maybe three or four?)

Posted by: DCU UCD | August 14, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

hmm, the LA coaching story seems to list more reasons for those candidates not to take the LA job: Nowak happy where he is, Mariner to Seattle, Kinnear would be stupid to leave Houston for LA, Spencer is the most likely but has ties to the imminent Colorado job, Schmid has a good thing going in Columbus before going back to the folks who dumped him.

anyone have some new names? not that i mind LA wallowing for a while, but more for curiosity's sake.

Posted by: new name coach | August 14, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

29K of those 30K where there to see the Mets- I was one of them.

Posted by: laur | August 14, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The article on the Galaxy is interesting, as is the LA Times' inquiry into the players point of view about Gullits exit.

The more I learn about the way the Galaxy have been managed, the more I'm amazed that MLS has lasted as long as it has. But as screwed up as AEG's Galaxy is, AEG's Dynamo seems to be everything that LA is not.

From the LA Times' analysis, I'd have to agree that a Zigi Schmidt/Cobi Jones pairing would be the best fit. After all, the Galaxy's been at its best when it was under the leadership of a German.

Posted by: TCompton | August 14, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Just wait until you see the attendance for the USOC Final! The Battery will bring 30, maybe 40, supporters!

Posted by: RK | August 14, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm not happy about it, but let's face it baseball is still bigger than soccer in this country and even in this town. The owners of the Nats don't really care if 29k out of the supposed 30k in their stadium cheered for the Mets or not. Its all money to them. Baseball is in decline, soccer is on the upswing, but they are not peers on the sporting landscape yet.

Posted by: Ron | August 14, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I like this WNT a lot. I guess I'll like them much more when they learn to play soccer :-).

Since this is Soccer Insider, I should share some inside info. The El Salvador team left their hotel at about 8:30 AM for training. Don't know whether they were going to RFK or not.

THe T&T team trained at RFK last night. The pitch was a little bumpy. As with ES, T&T were having some difficulty getting their foreign-based players released in time for tonight's friendly, hence the domestic squad.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 14, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

That LA coach article is pretty non-sensical. As Jones himself notes, Kinnear is running a great program in Houston. He is way too smart to give that up for team turmoil. Likewise with Sigi the Hut. Why in the world would he leave CLB where he is doing well? Plus he's under contract there so it's not like they can just go and get him. And after the way they screwed him over I would guess he is just as likely to tell them to go f themselves.

Nowak depends on what his ambitions are. But wasn't one of the main reasons he left DC that he wanted to be with his family in Florida? Doesn't seem likely he would move even farther away now that he is settled back in down there.

I assume MLS assistants are almost as difficult to talk to as head coaches are with respect to guys already under contract.

AEG/LAG made this happen themselves. Now they will need to cast a wide-netted search. Will they recognize what Ruud's shortcomings were and remedy that?

Posted by: Glenn | August 14, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The United couldn't draw 7,000 to their only home game in a three week period. The weather was great. Easier to take shots at the Nats than to defend your own fan base.

The Mets sure brought in a whole lot of fans. I wonder why then that the Nats had almost the exact same attendance numbers for the games against the Reds and Astros. The Nats are drawing fans to see their team regardless of the standings. The United are not.

Who's the minor league team? The United. MLS is a minor league, can't argue that one.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

That LA coach article is pretty non-sensical.
Posted by: Glenn | August 14, 2008 10:48 AM
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True. But it's a sign of progress that utterly unfounded speculation over the head coaching job is printed in the paper.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 14, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

David Beckham: Player/Coach

Posted by: bbarrie | August 14, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Troll alert.

Posted by: RK | August 14, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The United beat writer took at shot at the Nats, I'm just responding.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

He crossed it out.

Posted by: Ron | August 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I think the Gals should consider Frank Robinson. Isn't he living in SoCal now?

Posted by: OWNTF | August 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

hey PB,

nice argument for the attendance at the Nats games, but you lost about all credibility on this blog, Soccer Insider, when you misnamed the "other" team.

it is DC United or United, the Black-and-Red if you like. it is never "The United."

Posted by: know the name | August 14, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

MLS is a minor league, can't argue that one.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 10:50 AM
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How could MLS be a minor league when the name calls is Major League Soccer? And a league with 14 teams, some players making more than $1M, and international stars (including Sir Goldenballs himself) is pretty major. So, I disagree: we can "argue that one."

Posted by: DE | August 14, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The United is the name of the team, Soccer Insider is the name of the blog. I am aware of that. Thanks.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

PB is a troll, and does that just to annoy you.

Posted by: RK | August 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

MLS is a minor league, can't argue that one.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 10:50 AM

I think Mr. Goff meant that the Nats are playing like a Minor League team.

Posted by: J. | August 14, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The United play in a very good minor league. Is MLS even one of the ten best soccer leagues world-wide?

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The United play in a very good minor league. Is MLS even one of the ten best soccer leagues world-wide?

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 11:07 AM

No.

Posted by: Troy P. | August 14, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

PB,

The nats suck and are drawing the worst attendance for a first-year stadium in major league history. Find a non-soccer blog to cry on.

Posted by: Ash | August 14, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

(What's Portugese for "zero"?)

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Zerinho?

Posted by: AM | August 14, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Calling all Nats fans,

What do you want to bet that 7,000 United fans can be louder than 30,000 Nats/front- running Cubs,Yankees,and Mets fans?

Posted by: United fury | August 14, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

hey, baseball is great, there's room for all the sports, honestly. no need to take a dig at the ol' ballplayers. I mean, with so many of them in Baijing right now representing their countries, it must be hard for the teams.

Posted by: northzax | August 14, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Do not feed trolls. Especially since they still do not know the name of the team.

Posted by: LW | August 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse


TROLL ALERT

Posted by: RK | August 14, 2008 10:56 AM
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Maybe a second, louder alarm is in order.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 14, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Flush down baseball into Anacostia river. PB doesn't belong to the world. Go back to your boring game site.

Posted by: Puke | August 14, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I disagree, I think fans of "The United" should go out of our way to antagonize baseball (and football) fans. That way we can always find easy parking for the games that are attended by 5,000 fans, the concession lines aren't so long, and we can pretty much sit wherever we want at the games in our septic tank of a stadium. I see no connection between that and the quality of players the team and the "major" league can afford. I mean, the rich owners don't care how much money they lose, do they?

Posted by: OWNTF | August 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The United would probably have had the louder crowd, but they couldn't even draw the 7,000 fans to find out. Maybe they should arrange their schedule to play home games while the Nats are on the road.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I'll help throw the gasoline on Nationals Park.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | August 14, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse


TROLL ALERT

Posted by: RK | August 14, 2008 10:56 AM

you called?

Posted by: C. Blanco | August 14, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Olympic and WWC first place/gold: US -- 4; Germany -- 2; Brazil -- nada, zero, zilch, (What's Portugese for "zero"?)

Olympic and WWC top 3 finishes: US -- 8; Germany -- 5; Brazil -- 3.

"One of these days they are going to have to learn to play soccer." Yeah, OK.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 14, 2008 10:16 AM

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You're just proving the point. The US was dominant when no one else was playing women's soccer. Guess what? Now they are and countries like Brazil have the tradition and good coaching readily available.

What I don't get is that in the days of Michelle Akers and Mia, we played good soccer in addition to being more athletic. And the NCAA final four teams play better than this WNT, so I know these players can play. Is it the coaching? They definitely aren't showing any creativity and they're choking under pressure (witness all the bad passing).

Does anyone else think Shannon Boxx and Angela Hucles are overrated? Or maybe underachieving? I'll take Natasha Kai and her flair any day.

Posted by: disappointed | August 14, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

PB.. please go back to dcist...

K?

thnx

bye

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Guys, look, my snarky comment about the Nats was based solely on their record -- which I believe is the worst in baseball -- and nothing more. Their attendance is fine, not spectacular, and they do have a true mainstream following in the city. The product on the field is minor league. No argument there.


Posted by: Goff | August 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Going to a Nats game is much more difficult than a soccer game at RFK because of the parking.

Sorry, but MLS is the 5th wheel of sports in the US. It is about as popular as professional beach volleyball or arena football.

Posted by: Hank | August 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The United were a minor league team last year, they are a minor league team this year, and they will be a minor league team for the foreseeable future. The Nats have a Plan to be world champions in the next four or five years.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Senor Goff, this is the 3rd visit by ES this year. First one was the WCQ against Anguilla.


Posted by: Dougg J. | August 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

PB -- do us a favor shut up. if you hate soccer and "the United" so much, why are you wasting your time here?

if you knew anything about the histort of the league, open cup, weekday attendance, and a two week notice a game is taking place, you would understand why there were only 7000 people there. i am a season ticket holder (4 actually) but only two of my tix were used beacuase my wife was out of town and we have 3 kids under age 5.

you can't tell the success of a team by attendance.

we know that the soccer/baseball argument in this town will never end. two different sports, two different fan bases, two different attitudes.

I used to love baseball, and may again someday, when they decide to stop cheating.

Posted by: steve-o | August 14, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The Nats have a Plan to be world champions in the next four or five years.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 11:54 AM
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So you're sayin' the Nats have a Five-year Plan?

Posted by: DCUInWheaton | August 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to play baseball, but it cut into my steroid use, gut building, dip spitting time.

Posted by: John | August 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Baseball in general BLOWS, talk to me in when americans finally realize that, it might take 20 years but I am sure they are going to be like what the heck was I doing watching that sport. might as well play golf no EXCITEMENT. go Blog on your baseball site, I would not touch it with a 10 feet pole

Posted by: dc fan | August 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but MLS is the 5th wheel of sports in the US. It is about as popular as professional beach volleyball or arena football.

Posted by: Hank | August 14, 2008 11:44 AM

I bet you've never been to an AVP event, especially the ones at Manhattan or Hermosa Beach...

Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The Nats have a Plan to be world champions in the next four or five years.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 11:54 AM
PB:

In four years I also have a plan to be as well loved as Goff or as witty as as the ole VBB or as steadfast as OWNTF.

I will settle for being handsome in 4 years. But guess what????

Probably none of those things are going to happen. Even with my plan. So sometimes, ya need more than just a "plan".

Goff clarified his statement.

I freaking love United.
I also enjoy baseball, too.

It's the haterz that I can't stand. If you personally don't dig something, that doesn't make it any less important to some other people...

Posted by: yankiboy | August 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I thought Cuba was the World Champs, or was it Japan.

Posted by: dr | August 14, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

one more thing,, all of you who hate "the United" need to relax. depending on the structure of the sentence, it is correct to use it.


After falling behind by a goal at halftime, the United answered in the 58th minute.

see "the United" used properly. however, most people, me included, would not have used it that way.

Posted by: steve-o | August 14, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The United are a lot of fun to watch, I go to at least a couple games a year and see more on TV, it was Goff who took a shot at the Nats which was unwarranted considering that he covers a minor league team that isn't going to the playoffs and will be seen by a fraction of the number of people this year.

Hank did make a good point about the volleyball, watching them this week in HD has been highly entertaining, plus they don't have any 0-0 ties.

Posted by: PB | August 14, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Alright, PB, lunch is over. Back to day camp with you. You can take some orange wedges for the other boys and girls.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, enough already.

The anger and bitterness really needs to stop.

Sorry I even mentioned the woeful Nats.

Posted by: Goff | August 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

steve-o,

In the example you provided, "United" would be the grammatically proper -- and strongly proffered -- term.

Posted by: B.A. | August 14, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

It is true the USWNT won some championships in the past. But now they are a second tier team in womens international soccer. There are two teams in the top tier, Brazil and Germany. The US heads up the next tier, which is a fairly significant dropoff from the first tier. Second tier would be headed by the US, then Norway, then maybe China. Then another bigger dropoff, and you have everybody else.

Brazil and Germany roughly equal the Americans in terms of athleticism. They are head and shoulders better technically/skill wise.

Posted by: Ron | August 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

@glenn:
Nowak depends on what his ambitions are. But wasn't one of the main reasons he left DC that he wanted to be with his family in Florida? Doesn't seem likely he would move even farther away now that he is settled back in down there.

__________________________________________

Nowak apparently recently moved his family to Southern California.

Posted by: fig | August 14, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The Crystal Palace Baltimore-Harrisburg City Islanders game last night was just what one would expect from the I-83 derby:
Really exciting. The two teams always battle it out and last night was no exception.

Quality finishing, gritty defense play and Harrisburg fans really reprezented in our place (just like they always do-they always travel in numbers). The Sons of Ben also travelled down to support Harrisburg--which seemd kinda weird--sort of like the if the BB or SE or La Norte drove up to suuport Palace... I gues they were just practicing for 2010.

Anyways, the weather was great and the game had good atmosphere between the two sides supporters. Too bad that we couldn't have met in the final.

Props to Harrisburg. Now Palace has to find a way to beat Charlotte in their place(they just seem to have our number).

C'mon Palace!!!

Posted by: yankiboy | August 14, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, I agree with Ron. Except I think China has dropped even further than the US WNT. They have the excuse that they don't get much support from their federation. But neither does Brazil and look what they can do. Brazil doesn't even have a good system for recruiting players. But then again, clearly neither does the US.

Posted by: :-( | August 14, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

F THE PB!
GO BACK TO RSKINS INSIDER YOU D-BAG!

Posted by: dadryan | August 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

For Galaxy job, how about Robin Fraser. Best defender in the club's history, strong personality, RSL assistant.

Posted by: Troy | August 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

You know what pb? I bought my daughter a nats hat at the game we attended, but you know what she got on her
California vacation in July? A Pink dodgers hat you douche bag! I force it on to her pretty head every morning and curse your stupic soul dork!
GO BACK TO DOUCHE BAG/Worst team in baseball insider beatch!
The Nationals suck!
GET OF SOCCER INSIDER!
dOES pB STAND FOR PUSSEY bOYZ?

Posted by: Dadryan | August 15, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

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