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Morning Kickaround

Bruce Arena's Galaxy debut against Chicago last night.

Discuss.

I am planning to take the day off to recover from the Guatemalan adventure.

By Steve Goff  |  August 22, 2008; 7:00 AM ET
Categories:  MLS  
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Comments

Not much Bruce could have done. No Beckham, no Donovan and Lewis hasn't arrived. Though the Galaxy did have their chances from what I saw on the highlight video and seem to have some inspired play. Cronin made a couple of good saves, and Thorrington's goal was essentially an individual effort, with McBride technically getting the assist.

Posted by: J. | August 22, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Agreed regarding the fact that nothing could be done for last night's game, however the give and go with McBride was essential in the development of the sequence that lead to Thorrington's wonderful goal. Just saying that McBride's pass while surrounded by multiple defenders was more than a mere technical assist.

Posted by: DCM | August 22, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Arena will flop eventually. The Gals should have went Cobi for a few more weeks and found a coach that can bring a fresh breath to the Galaxy, rather than get an MLS retread. Really, what has Bruce Arena done in this millenium? This ain't 1996. The league has changed drastically since then.

Congrats LA, Eddie Lewis will be your version of Claudio Reyna. Bruce likes his retread players as well. At least they got rid of Ruiz.

It doesn't matter. The Crew will hoist the Cup in a few months anyways. Here's your famous! Here's your famous! Here's your famous Hudson Street!

It's all in good fun.

Posted by: 2-1 to the Crew | August 22, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

What has Arena done this millenium? There was the little thing known as the 2002 World Cup.

Posted by: RK | August 22, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Plus the Fire happens to be a damn good team that's tough to score on.

Posted by: Joe S. | August 22, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't the fact that Bruce couldn't do much without Beckham and Donovan show that the Galaxy is in trouble? The rest of the players just aren't good enough.

They need some better defenders not another midfielder.

Posted by: Himes | August 22, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

No Beckham, no Donovan, no Blanco...I guess the 27,000 in attendance have come to watch McBride and The Bruce?

I thought McBride did have a good game and The Bruce did the best he could without his boyfriend Landy Cakes on the field. However, I will disagree with the very critical comments on Bruce.

1)Bruce made us the leaders of CONCACAF to the point where we now expect to go to international tournaments
2)The 2002 WC was amazing in that we took out Portugal, Mexico and barely lost to Germany
3)The 2006 WC was amazing in that we tied Italy (world champion) with 9 men on the field and a recalled goal from Beasley that would have won us the game and made us the only team to beat Italy

For anyone who remembers the days when the US team could only qualify for a World Cup if we were the host nation the idea that Bruce is a bad coach is nothing short of insane.

Ohh yeah and he also coached DC United to three MLS Cup finals (2 wins), two US Open Cup finals (1 win), the concacaf champions cup and the MLS supporters shield.

As a DC United and USNT fan Bruce is still the greatest coach we have ever had and I wish him luck in LA.

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Anyone have any sense of the injury situation-gallardo, fred, peralta?

Posted by: pigman sweet | August 22, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

They need some better defenders not another midfielder.

Posted by: Himes | August 22, 2008 8:05 AM

But Eddie Lewis is a left back!!!! Didn't you see the last World Cup?

Posted by: Rich C | August 22, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

This was not sexy football...

Posted by: Johnny | August 22, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"I am planning to take the day off to recover from the Guatemalan adventure."

Wuss. News never sleeps.

Posted by: noble | August 22, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

3)The 2006 WC was amazing in that we tied Italy (world champion) with 9 men on the field and a recalled goal from Beasley that would have won us the game and made us the only team to beat Italy

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM

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IIRC, that goal was legitimately called off because of offsides. And the only reason we tied Italy was because they gave us an own goal. I don't think anyone can contend that the Bruce did a good job with the team in 2006.

To be honest, Australia gave the Azurri a better game in the second round despite losing to them. In fact, the Socceroos were robbed because of a ridiculous penalty call in stoppage time...I think the Aussies could have held on to PKs if the game went to extra time...and then its anyones game.

Posted by: DE | August 22, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Taped track & field and MEN's beach volleyball were better television last night. Other than the game being boring... wait, no, nothing surprised me about last night. Highlight of the match may have been seeing Steve Cronin with "worst in MLS" under his name. As much as I hate Cobi, it would have been interesting to see him have more of a chance.

Posted by: sitruc | August 22, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Rust never sleeps

Posted by: billq | August 22, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

That was perhaps the clunkiest, ugliest match I've seen all year.

Just a disaster all around for ESPN.

Posted by: Tom | August 22, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

EDU EDU EDU_ EDU___ EDU____ Got his UK work permit!

Posted by: Johnny | August 22, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

But Eddie Lewis is a left back!!!! Didn't you see the last World Cup?
Posted by: Rich C | August 22, 2008 8:24 AM

I did but I didn't pay attention to people's positions back then. Wasn't as into it as much.

I'm just going by what reports say. They keep saying "Galaxy signed midfielder Eddie Lewis". If he's a left back then good for them.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

But Eddie Lewis is a left back!!!! Didn't you see the last World Cup?
Posted by: Rich C | August 22, 2008 8:24 AM

I did but I didn't pay attention to people's positions back then. Wasn't as into it as much.

I'm just going by what reports say. They keep saying "Galaxy signed midfielder Eddie Lewis". If he's a left back then good for them.

Posted by: Himes | August 22, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

No Beckham, no Donovan, no Blanco...I guess the 27,000 in attendance have come to watch McBride and The Bruce?

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM

Well, considering this league is so dimwitted as to schedule multiple matches around an international fixture date - and many of the Becks worshipers are too dimwitted to figure out what an international fixture date is... I make that a push on the blame game :-)

Posted by: Kev | August 22, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

For anyone who remembers the days when the US team could only qualify for a World Cup if we were the host nation the idea that Bruce is a bad coach is nothing short of insane.

Ohh yeah and he also coached DC United to three MLS Cup finals (2 wins), two US Open Cup finals (1 win), the concacaf champions cup and the MLS supporters shield.

As a DC United and USNT fan Bruce is still the greatest coach we have ever had and I wish him luck in LA.

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM

I can't agree with this more - perfectly said.

Posted by: Kev | August 22, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I watched some of the game last night, and the LA-Chivas match...Chris Klein can flat-out cross and deliver the ball.

Posted by: RK | August 22, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Hines, he was making a sarcastic comment against Arena for using him as a left back in 06, seeing as to how in was a bit of a disaster.

Posted by: Jacob | August 22, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Southeasterner. Arena has probably rubbed some people the wrong way, and maybe he went as far as he could as the National team coach, but he's had a pretty long streak of success to be dismissed as an MLS retread.

Might not be this season, but I expect him to get the Galaxy playing well.

Posted by: jva | August 22, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

this is going to be a loooong friday. also, is anyone else (not) surprised by the lack of coverage the women's soccer gold recieved? or did I just somehow miss the coverage?

Posted by: downtown | August 22, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

downtown - the women's team were all over the Today Show this morning. I think they shared some spotlight with the track and softball loss - and they'll be old news this weekend with the basketball and closing of the games. But hey, that's the Olympics for you - fleeting.

Posted by: Kev | August 22, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

and his consecutive wins in the playoffs, 17, I believe, second only to Scotty Bowman (of Pittsburgh, right Mr. Harkes?) and this was on multiple seasons.

the stat I thought was interesting was that no Arena team, from UVA on, has scored a goal in his debut.

And yes, we all owe a debt to the Bruce. I don't know if he will be successful this time around, but I hope he is, MLS needs a competitive team in LA.

Posted by: northzax | August 22, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Brian Carroll won goal of the week???

Posted by: RK | August 22, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

ah - didn't catch the Today show. that's good press. I didn't read much about them and the olympic freaks here at work haven't said a word.

Posted by: downtown | August 22, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Downtown: The Natettes still get more love than any other womens' team sport other than gymnastics. They're getting love. Like Kev said. aAd to mix the well reported soap opera angle of last year and they can't help but get attention. They handled biznez. Pia for USSF president (ok, that is a bit of a strecth, I know)...

Posted by: yankiboy | August 22, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry to say, I absolutely hate womens soccer. The few times I have watched it I just feel like I am watching a kids match. There is no way I will ever be able to get into it. Most of my soccer friends also feel the same way. Sorry. I get upset reading the posts from men that compare mens and womens soccer as if they are equal sports.

I also hate when people who know nothing about soccer, who know I follow soccer, ask me about womens soccer.

Posted by: Sam | August 22, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Uh oh Sam - duck! :-)

Posted by: Kev | August 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

EDU EDU EDU_ EDU___ EDU____ Got his UK work permit!

Posted by: Johnny | August 22, 2008 8:58 AM


Had trouble finding a source, but finally found one on bbc:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/7567198.stm

Posted by: maw | August 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Take it easy on him, OWNTF...

Posted by: Joe Doc | August 22, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"I am planning to take the day off to recover from the Guatemalan adventure."

Wuss. News never sleeps.

Posted by: noble | August 22, 2008 8:28 AM

I'd say he deserves it. After that eye-strain-o-rama that was the "Night Of A Thousand Flashlights" in Wednesday's game, I imagine Goff's probably trying to keep his eyes straight....

Posted by: FlimFlam | August 22, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

""I am planning to take the day off to recover from the Guatemalan adventure."

Cipro + Flagyl + H 2 0

Posted by: delantero | August 22, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to Edu, the former Terp. I think his recent (near) automatic inclusion in the national side made it a certainty. Another factor is that he was applying to go to Scotland, where clubs have some trouble attracting overseas players. I think the powers that be might give a little more leeway to the northern and Scottish clubs when they find a player.

Posted by: Kev | August 22, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

bottom line on Fire vs. LA, for a nuetral it probably wasn't a match to watch--expcept to see McBride's form compared to MLS standards--watching two individual efforts from Thorrington (for the game-winner) and Cronin (for keeping it from being more than 1 fire goal).

Posted by: giaco | August 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Take it easy on him, OWNTF...

Posted by: Joe Doc | August 22, 2008 10:05 AM
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Ah, Joe Doc, live and let live, ya know? After all this is a thread about a meaningless game between last place teams in a third-tier league. Discussion about world championship level ball is on the previous thread.

On the other hand I have this for you today --

"When you get to a final of anything, it's not who can bend the ball perfectly or who's necessarily keeping more of the possession," Lloyd said. "It comes from your heart."

Did someone say Heart?

Now I know I got to play my hand
What the winner don't know, a gambler understands
My heart keeps playin' it through
with you, my friend
I'll take my chances on you again and again...again.

Comin' straight on for you. You made my mind
Now I'm stronger. Now I'm comin' through
Straight on, straight on for you
Straight on for you

Posted by: OWNTF | August 22, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow! Shortest morning kickaround ever! =o)

Posted by: DCU_FAN_71 | August 22, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

@Southeasterner: well said sir! We all owe a debt to the bruce.

But I do believe he mismanaged personel in '06. And after his poor showing at NYRB over the course of the last year I'd have to question whether he can make a difference at LA. Time will tell I guess. But I wish him the best.

Posted by: Matte | August 22, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Have a great day of rest, Steve. Thanks for remembering us while you enjoyed the calm surroundings of Guatemala.

Some music to help you enjoy your sunny Friday -- your 155 mpg hybrid has a CD player, right?

Permanent Waves - Rush
Anything by G. Lightfoot
Creed - Human Clay
Rumors - Fleetwood Mac
Stranger in Town - Bob Seger
The Rainmakers (self-titled)
The Cult - Electric
Boston - More Than a Feeling
Commodores - (self-titled)


Posted by: Joe Doc | August 22, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Eddie Lewis is a midfielder who has been forced to play in the defense for teams that didn't have a left back. It's usually easier to find a decent midfielder than a left back. Lewis isn't a natural defender, though.

Posted by: Another know-it-all | August 22, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Goff,

I didn't get an answer to the question I posed before. What was the point of your excellent Guatemalan adventure? Did ya'll anticipate that you would have a piece done in time for Thursday's print edition? Or, were you sent down to report on behalf of all us internuts who read Washingtonpost.com? Inquiring minds want to know...

Posted by: Fisch Fry | August 22, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

To Sam -- On vacation recently, I met a Newcastle couple. Their daughter is in the club's training academy or program (not clear how far she's gotten). Dad was saying how he'd discovered there's something to the ladies' game -- that it's not just rubbish football. He thought it was great how we support it here. I guess he hasn't met you. It's true that women lack the speed, size and strength that mark the men's game. It's also true that there are few women that are as skilled in their own right as top level male players. So, it's a different game. However, if you can watch the EPL and still watch the MLS, you ought to be able to recognize that the women's game is also a version of soccer. It's not the EPL, but it has it's own level and it's own merit.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | August 22, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Eddie Lewis is a midfielder who has been forced to play in the defense for teams that didn't have a left back. It's usually easier to find a decent midfielder than a left back. Lewis isn't a natural defender, though.

Posted by: Another know-it-all | August 22, 2008 10:31 AM


I thought my extra explanation points would give away my sarcasm on my first post. :-) The Eddie Lewis at LB experiment in the World Cup lasted 45 minutes and was a disaster. I believe he played some LB at Derby last year too, and while he was OK there, Derby was a disaster and OK was relative to that. If Arena uses Lewis at LB again he really has lost his mind.

The problem with the Galaxy is they have only players who make a lot of money or players who make no money. And some of the ones who make a lot of money can't perform. I'm not sure how Arean can fix that.

Posted by: Rich C | August 22, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I absolutely hate nerds, who hate women. Most of the time I've tried to keep an open mind and keep my opinion to myself,but when some social cripple get's on here and talks about hating womens soccer the day after the US Women Won Gold the buck stops here! I get really upset reading posts by such "macho" eunuchs in disguise. Most of my sensible friends feel the same way, none of us are saying that the men's game isn't "better", we just have the manner's to keep that to ourselves at THIS moment.
I also hate it when people who know nothing about women, who know I love women say some really stupid stuff about women. Enjoy the sausage party with all your "soccer friends" Sam. Yuckkkk.
"Hey Tommy does this Arsenal jersey make my man boobs look too big?"...

Posted by: dadryan | August 22, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Sam, I felt the same way yesterday -- I couldn't believe that there was such poor play in a championship game (from the US).

Posted by: RK | August 22, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Eddie lewis is another washed up outside player that won't make much difference to LA short of occasional good crosses. The best he did in the game vs the Guats was to get knocked out to pull us even in player count.

Bruce Arena and any other yahoo that takes on this team is doomed to failure unless they solve the central midfield deficiencies.

Posted by: I wanna coach LA | August 22, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Ug...Nyarko knee injury?

Posted by: RK | August 22, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

As much as I hate Cobi, it would have been interesting to see him have more of a chance.

Posted by: sitruc | August 22, 2008 8:42 AM

Who "hates" Cobi Jones? I mean, seriously. Time to get some perspective on life....

Posted by: Your conscience | August 22, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

@ Your conscience: I could use a visit from you, too...

Posted by: Joe Doc | August 22, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget that Il Bruce got New York to the playoffs. FRIGGIN NEW YORK. In the playoffs. That's like winning MLS Cup with Kansas City.

Posted by: spectre | August 22, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

That was a boring game last night. MLS needs to get this calendar thing figured out.

The Bruce has done some wonderful things for US Soccer and we do owe him a debt of gratitude, but I would not add '06 to the list of achievements. In fact if there wasn't so much information flying around that thing calls the interwebs these days, I'd say he should try to burn all records of the '06 debacle and keep it out of the history books.

In any case, The Bruce has got his work cut out for him, because LA has some major issues. This reveals another flaw with this little project known as DPs (formerly known as the Beckham rule). So you go out and bring in a big name (to fill seats, bring flair, bring experience, bring prestige, fill seats, whatever) and eventhough you have chosen to foot the bill (some may argue for the benefit and profile of the entire league), said DP ends up ZAPPING the living daylights out of your cap. So now you have a team of one or more (no more than three mind you) big name/high dollar players supplemented by a bunch of journey men (if that). But then you take a look at the table, or the championships the last few years and discover that the league is being dominated by teams that elected to pass on the DP thing.

That's one of my beefs with this league. One that I hope gets addressed in the upcoming USA-Guate qualifier also known as the CBA. They are so occupied with fairness and equality that they make dumb rules that end up hurting the product.

There is nothing fair about a team that chooses to bring in a heavy weight (for their direct benefit yes, but also for the more important, indirect benefit of the entire league) getting abused on their salary cap. ESPECIALLY when they have opted to foot the rest of the bill for a given DP.

There is nothing fair about successful teams having to play way more games than unsuccessful teams all within a small time period, and not being rewarded with some cap relief to create quality depth, or extra roster spots.

Let's face it soccer is not like our traditional American sports. I give MLS kudos for veering away from Americanizing the game, but some of the American attributes that persist (like the cap) need to be seriously addressed. Otherwise, in the end the reward for success and ambition will always be failure.

Posted by: Kosh | August 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"I'd say he should try to burn all records of the '06 debacle and keep it out of the history books."

Please Kosh, they lost to two teams that had infinitely better and more accomplished players and drew with the eventual World Cup winners. Not the end of the world. Burn all records of 1998, not 2006.

Posted by: Kev | August 22, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Dont understand DCU fans hating on Bruce either. Cant wish him ill myself.

Posted by: KT | August 22, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

So, really, doofus, you hate bad soccer, not women's soccer per se. Might want to clarify your thinking a bit.

While I happen to have thought the US women looked pretty awful in terms of continually losing possession, crummy passing, and really, really bad one-on-one defending, how can you not cheer for the US in an Olympic final regardless of the sport?

I happen to like all soccer, regardless of the gender. But I have to admit that the US women didn't play very well even though Im totally psyched that they won.

Posted by: Hacksaw | August 22, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Some music to help you enjoy your sunny Friday -- your 155 mpg hybrid has a CD player, right?

Permanent Waves - Rush
Anything by G. Lightfoot
Creed - Human Clay
(...)

Posted by: Joe Doc | August 22, 2008 10:31 AM

The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
Of the big lake they call Gitchee Goomee...

Posted by: E. Fitzgerald | August 22, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, besides his callup to the England side, Becks has this on his plate now:

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer08/news/story?id=3548139

Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 22, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Sam, I have to agree with you. Women's soccer stinks real bad!

I think D.C. United might have made a mistake by not firing Soehn and bring back Bruce Arena when we had the chance. If D.C. craps out of the playoffs again this year will Soehn's job be safe? I think not. Who would we bring in? We might regret letting Papa Bruce slip through our fingers for a guy who came a hair away from being fired mid season, to him being fired at the end of the season anyway....But hey, if we win the whole thing, scratch that I guess... At this point, I don't see it happening though.

Posted by: Alan | August 22, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry to say, I absolutely hate womens soccer...

I also hate when people who know nothing about soccer, who know I follow soccer, ask me about womens soccer.

Posted by: Sam | August 22, 2008 10:01 AM
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Sammo-So i gues that we won't be hanging out together at WPS Freedom games next season, huh?

Don't apologize. Some people think MLS is sorry, too. They only wanna watch EPL or Siere A or La Liga... To each their own.

I don't dig Celine Dion. I'm not gonna apologize for it. That means I don't have to worry about you blocking my way to use the facilities or buy a hotdog when the Washington Freedom next year.

Posted by: yankiboy | August 22, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse


Who "hates" Cobi Jones? I mean, seriously. Time to get some perspective on life....

Posted by: Your conscience | August 22, 2008 11:11 AM
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Conscience, as someone who has nothing against the LA Galaxy and who has actually met Cobi Jones, he is a HUGE jerk.

Posted by: Todd from Seattle | August 22, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely hate nerds, who hate women. Most of the time I've tried to keep an open mind and keep my opinion to myself,but when some social cripple get's on here and talks about hating womens soccer the day after the US Women Won Gold the buck stops here!

Posted by: dadryan | August 22, 2008 10:50 AM
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Dadryan, if your meds require you to consume them on a full stomach or with a glass of water, please make sure that you follow the pharmacist's instructions. ;)

Slow your roll.

Seriously, that was an outburst that devolved into a mean-spirirted personal attack over something that is just a matter of taste.

On behalf of all of the nerds of the world--no, of the universe, who absolutely LOVE women's soccer, I implore you to lighten up a little.

We won the Gold. We're back on top. Professional womens' soccer is gonna be back next year. It's a great day to be a womens' soccer fan in this country today.
No need to "defend" the gender or the game. Revel. Happy days are back again.


Posted by: yankiboy | August 22, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Tommy does this Arsenal jersey make my man boobs look too big?"...


Posted by: dadryan | August 22, 2008 10:50 AM

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I'm still laughing at that dadryan. . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | August 22, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I also hate when people who know nothing about soccer, who know I follow soccer, ask me about womens soccer.

Posted by: Sam | August 22, 2008 10:01 AM
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I don't know anything about Chilean soccer. If someone asks me a question about Chilean soccer, I just say I don't know. What's the big deal?

More seriously, you seem to be a newbie around here. Goff laid down the law a long time ago. The football world is a big one. Not everyone is interested in women's soccer or Chilean soccer or Big Ten soccer. I'm sure the recent Bolivia-Guatemala friendly at RFK did not interest everyone. Suppose every single person who wasn't interested in that match posted to this blog, merely to express his/her personal lack of interest. Is that what you want to see on this blog?

Posted by: tri-village | August 22, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

If y'all aren't interested in women's soccer news, here's a suggestion: don't read it, move on, find joy elsewhere. The title of the item is very clear. You haven't been tricked into reading it.
As I said when this blog began many months ago, we are going to touch on a wide variety of issues, from MLS to int'l matches to World Cup to women's soccer to, yes, a local stadium that will not be built for many years. Pick and choose what you'd like to read. Comment if you wish. But please stop whining about the fact that women's soccer exists. Sorry for the rant, but it has really become tiresome. Carry on...
Posted by: Goff | July 23, 2007 08:41 PM

Posted by: Talmudic scholar | August 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

billq:

Great stuff. "So, first you guys get metal plated, and then we'll go...to the beach!"

***

On LA-Chicago: That was about as bad as you'd expect, with Chicago missing Blanco, Pappa, and Segares and LA missing Beckham, Donovan, and Lewis. Still, LA created the single best chance of the 1st half and should have gone in up 1-0. Sadly for them, the chance fell to Alan Gordon.

Lewis may not have much left in the tank, but he's better both going forward and defending than Allen, who looks to be, at best, an MLS reserve team regular. Having Beckham and Lewis on either wing will give them more balance as an offense. However, it still won't cure their biggest deficiencies (central midfield, overall defending). They will improve under Arena, but they would probably have improved under the tenure of most anyone with even the faintest grasp of MLS's workings.

On the soccer played by the fairer sex: There's nothing wrong with women's soccer. I will say, though, that top-level women's play and top-level men's play only bear a vague resemblance to each other due to the emphasis on speed and power found in the men's game.

Personally, I'd rather watch our "third-tier" league, but that doesn't mean I automatically hate the WNT and women in general. I watched the gold medal game, for example. It was good, but it was also different.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 22, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

1)Bruce made us the leaders of CONCACAF to the point where we now expect to go to international tournaments

2)The 2002 WC was amazing in that we took out Portugal, Mexico and barely lost to Germany

3)The 2006 WC was amazing in that we tied Italy (world champion) with 9 men on the field and a recalled goal from Beasley that would have won us the game and made us the only team to beat Italy

the idea that Bruce is a bad coach is nothing short of insane.

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 22, 2008 8:21 AM

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1. Bruce did jack shyte. It was the PLAYERS that did it all. Remember, if the fat finger-pointer was blaming the PLAYERS for their play in 2006, then THE PLAYERS deserve all of the credit for the US' upswing in the '90s, too. "The Bruce" was merely a passenger as Donovan, Beasley, O'Brien and others came into their own. He CLEARLY was a passenger, as 2006 and his failures with Red Bull have proved.

2. v. Portugal: 1, if not 2 goals were offsides in favor of the US.
v. Mexico: A missed handball in the box; If the ref calls it, the result is different.
v. Germany: I will agree that the PLAYERS played well v. Germany. But "The Bruce's" uncanny luck with bad reffing runs out, as a missed call finally goes against him.

3. Beasley was offsides. But the UGLY way the fat finger pointer threw EVERYONE ELSE under the bus throughout this tournament [except himself] was unprofessional, cowardly, and proved him to be a passenger and a loser. For all he did well BEFORE this tournament, he undid with his pie-hole and his stupidity. The fat bast@rd has yet to admit fault for this tournament, or ANYTHING he said.

If you try to give the clown credit for having "made us leaders in CONCACAF," the fat jerk0ff needs to take the blame for 2006. But since he's not MAN enough, he never has apologized to the players. And since he's a coward, he never will.


Anyone dumb enough to give an oft-injured, 35 year old holding MF a DP contract [to play on artificial turf, mind you] is a moron. Anyone dumb enough to hire Dave Sarachan as assistant has clearly lost hold of his senses. Arena had been a fine coach, but he has also been a very fortunate one. His ego and his stubborn approach [Agoos in Korea, anyone?] will be his downfall in LA.

Fortunately for Arena [and Sarachan], since soccer coaching in this country is replete with incompentents, any boob can get another chance. [See Sampson, Ellinger, Sarachan, Arena, etc, etc... after their collosal failures.] They'll all get hired again, though they shouldn't.

Posted by: Arena sucks | August 22, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The Bruce has done some wonderful things for US Soccer and we do owe him a debt of gratitude

Posted by: Kosh | August 22, 2008 11:48 AM

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We the fans owe "The Bruce" exactly jack and shyte. He owes the fans, USSF, and most importantly, the players an apology for his cowardly and unprofessional ways in 2006. He owes the media an apology for his arrogance and his stupidity.

Arena needs to grow his fat @rse up a bit, be a man, and accept his role as a collosal failure. Then, he needs to go away, because he has ultimately been more lucky than good.

Posted by: Arena sucks | August 22, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@ Arena sucks: please don't censor yourself, bro. Let it all out. repression is bad for your health.

Posted by: yankiboy | August 22, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Someone just crossed thyself off the Bruce Arena Christmas card list!

Posted by: Kev | August 22, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone watch the men's Olympic bronze medal match (Brasil beat Belgium, as expected), or was that just too anticlimactic by this point? Does anyone have any thoughts on Nigeria vs. Argentina? (BTW, at this late date it can still be said that the leading scorer in the tournament hails from New Jersey.)

Posted by: The Jeff | August 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The '06 World Cup revisionists are only revealing their own ingnorance.

When the ping-pong balls came out of the hopper and determined the U.S. group, anyone that knows anything knew the deal then.

Posted by: MJ | August 22, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

It was undoubtedly the Galaxy's best game defensively. Normally, the team gives up 8-10 clear chances and 2-3 cheap goals. Last night the team gave up 3 chances, and Thorrington's goal was solid.

The question is whether or not they can defend with Landon and Becks in the line-up? Neither of them provide much effort going towards their own goal.

Posted by: JYD | August 22, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I COULDN'T AGRRE MORE.... ARENA SHOULD GO AWAY!!!!!AND WHO EVER THINKS HE GOT THE RED BULLS TO THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. JPA GOT THEM TO THE PLAYOFFS. I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE BECKHAM FOR PLAY FOR HIM. WHAT A JOKE THAT WILL BE! BECKHAM SHOULD NEVER EVEN GIVE HIM THE TIME OF DAY, NEVERMIND RESPECT AS A HEAD COACH. GO AWAY BRUCE ARENA... YOU HAVE DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 22, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I absolutely hate nerds, who hate women. Most of the time I've tried to keep an open mind and keep my opinion to myself,but when some social cripple get's on here and talks about hating womens soccer the day after the US Women Won Gold the buck stops here! I get really upset reading posts by such "macho" eunuchs in disguise. Most of my sensible friends feel the same way, none of us are saying that the men's game isn't "better", we just have the manner's to keep that to ourselves at THIS moment.
I also hate it when people who know nothing about women, who know I love women say some really stupid stuff about women. Enjoy the sausage party with all your "soccer friends" Sam. Yuckkkk.
"Hey Tommy does this Arsenal jersey make my man boobs look too big?"...

Posted by: dadryan | August 22, 2008 10:50
AM

I deeply apologize Dadryan. I have changed my mind. I LOVE women's soccer. IT IS THE BEST! It is absolutely "better" than men's soccer!

I guess no one is allowed to have an anti- women's soccer opinion on this blog, otherwise to the Gulag we go!

All I stated was my opinion on a type of entertainment that I find awful! This Dadryan turns that into a venom spewing rant about me personally...Nice...Are you a Communist by any chance? Viva Fidel?

Build your daughter's self esteem on your own time, not on this blog...What a laugh! You have made my day!

Posted by: Sam | August 22, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

A moron wrote: "Bruce did jack shyte"

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You haven't a clue. Nor do your Bruce-bashing pals.

DCU and USMNT fans certainly owe him respect. He did great things for soccer in DC and nationally. I wish him the best...and so should you, moron.

Posted by: KR in DC | August 22, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Eddie Lewis, my guess is that he'll play left flank (if he has the speed; he certainly has the crossing ability). The Galaxy already has Ante Jazic and Mike Randolph (when Gullit wasn't trying to convert him to a winger, which was most of the time) at left back.

I know Jazic is not a candidate for the MLS First 11 but he is a body, and he can go forward and overlap rather effectively. Randolph is one of the few players on the team with anything resembling speed.

The Galaxy likely will design the offense around Beckham and Lewis whipping in crosses to Donovan, Buddle and (yikes!) Gordon. I know that does nothing to resolve the club's problems in the back or in central midfield but this season is lost, anyway. Arena wants to know what he has, whom he wants back and what he needs to do to improve the team for next year. That what the next nine games really are about for the Galaxy.

Posted by: Joseph D'Hippolito | August 22, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW, if Lewis' speed is shot, expect Randolph to get more playing time at left back.

Posted by: Joseph D'Hippolito | August 22, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"What has Arena done this millenium? There was the little thing known as the 2002 World Cup."

I saw it as I was living in Korea at the time (I got to see the US-Portugal match in person!). I also saw that we wouldn't have advanced out of our group without South Korea bailing us out against Poland. If not for that, Bruce would have been three and out, just like in Italy.

On the one hand, I think he'll bring some defensive cohesion to the team which it needs much more than they needed sexy football. On the other hand, I don't like the Bruce at all.

Posted by: Gary B. | August 22, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

DCU and USMNT fans certainly owe him respect. He did great things for soccer in DC and nationally. I wish him the best...and so should you, moron.

Posted by: KR in DC | August 22, 2008 7:54 PM

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You know, a GREAT leader takes PERSONAL responsibility for failures as well as successes. However, the fat bastard takes credit when he got lucky, but points fingers when he doesn't.

Did Patton call the front-line infantrymen "p _ $ $ i e s" when things didn't go well? Did MacArthur throw his soldiers under the bus when a battle went less than perfectly? No? But a fat bastard, a coward, and a loser like Arena did.

You guys can polesmoke the "The Bruce" all you want. But you're a fool to do so. And you're an embarrasment to all men when you do so.

Posted by: Arena still sucks | August 24, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

^ You make some good points and then you subvert them with some really arrogant (learn that from Arena?) and offensive comments.

Thanks for the homophobic reference.

Thanks for the litmus test on being a real man.

I'll you last paragraph under "useless".

Maybe next time you can make the insightful points without the venom.

Posted by: arena still sucks | August 25, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

^ You make some good points and then you subvert them with some really arrogant (learn that from Arena?) and offensive comments.

Thanks for the litmus test on being a real man.

Posted by: arena still sucks | August 25, 2008 8:47 AM

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Thanks for agreeing with me. Bruce Arena once was a great coach, relative to THIS middling soccer nation. "The Bruce" later became a national embarrasment with this egocentric ways. He's yet to rehabilitate his image, nor redeem himself as a man, a leader of men, or a coach. This is by virtue of his failure to see the error of his ways off the field [in interacting with others] or on the field. [Again, Claudio Freakin' Reyna as a DP?]

Bruce Arena has benefitted from an abundance of good fortune earlier on in his career. But he has been more of a failure ever since he got lucky at Korea. [In fact, the qualifying campaign for Korea wasn't much of a success, either, BTW.]

I just find it STUPID to see the fanboyism among DC fans. He's a clown, a loser, and a coward. Anyone in a position of influence that gladly accepts credit for success but blames other for failure is a loser. And "The Bruce" should be run out of the business, for the betterment of the game in this country.

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