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Oof.

MLS teams lost tonight to Joe Public and Tauro.

Not Pachuca and Saprissa. Not Pumas and Comunicaciones. Not Alajuela and Olimpia.

Joe Public and Tauro.

In a meaningful competition. In mid-season form.

Oof.

Now, it ain't the end of the world for the Revs and Goats; they still get to host the second legs next week and New England is in good shape to advance to the group stage of the inaugural CONCACAF Champions League.

But again: MLS teams lost to Jack Warner's Joe Public boys in front of 2,100 in Tunapuna and to Tauro at Estadio Rod Carew (baseball) outside Panama City.

Any thoughts?

By Steve Goff  |  August 26, 2008; 11:44 PM ET
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Comments

You can't compete without depth.

Still, how could New England lose? They should have enough depth?

Posted by: AlexS | August 26, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Oof x2

Posted by: Josh | August 27, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually sad that Chivas lost, but I am a diehard hater of New England. YES!

Posted by: Konoha7 | August 27, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

As bad a Chivas has been, this is no surprise.

NE is a bit of a shocker but who knows. And who cares. I would rather face Tauro and Public in the later rounds than NE.

Posted by: LN Hunter | August 27, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Whats the over/under that the crowd this week will be bigger than the crowd next week in New England. New England just could not cope with the speed down the flanks of Joe Public.

Posted by: john | August 27, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

NE has depth, but they have the wrong kind of depth - non offensive depth. Once ralston went out they were in trouble. Think they miss dorman or noonan now?

Also, how long Shalrie Joseph can nearly single handedly will this team to results? His headers took them thru the Superliga and his run ending in a PK got their lone goal tonight. He has to leave MLS after the season. The man's too big...

As for chivas, well, they're not deep. Klejstan is not long for the league either. The demise of bornstein and Esky (How do you say "pot belly" in armenian?) is sad to watch. At least Atiba Harris didn't injure anyone.

The only saving grace is these were away games. The home ties should be quite entertaining with the MLS sides attacking to make up the GD.

Do away goals count more? If so, NE is in good shape. Better luck next year, Goats.

Posted by: Looking Dangerous | August 27, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Would it be wrong to admit that I laughed?

(Knowing full well that DC United might well be in the same boat.)

Posted by: Matt Mathai | August 27, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

No surprise. Then again, I could care less about this so-called Champions League.

DC sent me my Champions League strip invoice the other day - 490 friggin dollars! I laughed out loud. Half a grand for my family to watch likes of Tauro and a half dozen other CONCACAF clubs I couldn't give two rats a$$es about.

Seriously, are they more naysayers out there who want to see quality competition? The Red Bulls play Barcelona. We play Joe Public. Ugh.

Superliga was technically meaningless, but at least they played quality Mexican teams. I would gladly pay to see those quality teams again.

Honestly, aside from one club with a catchy name and a potato patch for a pitch, what do non-Trinis know about the Trinidadian first division (is there even a first division?).

Who cares about the Nicaraguan apertura champions? I am more likely to watch Earl's Towing Service F.C. vs Quality Tire Old Boys play kick the can in the parking lot behind the 7-11.

Posted by: Erick | August 27, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad the Champions League is finally here. I know it's not like UEFA's, but it's ours and I'm gonna support it.

After watching the games, to me New England didn't even look like they were up for this game. It's one thing to underestimate your opponent, or to just lose, but to not care at all? They aren't a club I root for anyway, but for the overall sake of the league, I expect better and want better so MLS can gain more cred.

At least Chivas USA cared enough to play hard and go for it, despite losing. They deserve a better chance of going through than the Rev, yet it's NE that can easily advance with a 1-0 victory on away goals rule.

I hope DC and Houston won't let our country down in a couple of weeks...

Posted by: JC | August 27, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

@JC
I hope DC and Houston won't let our country down in a couple of weeks...

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It's hard to let our country down when the country doesn't give a rat's @ss about the Champions League to begin with.

Posted by: fig | August 27, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Joe Public-Revs: Frankly, New England didn't even show up and deserved to lose by much more than 2-1. If Nelson was any kind of forward, he would have had a hat trick. Joseph manufactured a penalty, true, but other than that played perhaps the worst game I've ever seen him play. Tierney was thoroughly demolished by Baptiste on the Revs' left side.

I see the loss of Ralston a bit differently than Looking Dangerous. Sure, NE had no replacement for him, but a) Ralston had done nothing while he was in and b) Thompson actually managed to get himself into good spots (granted, he almost invariably botched things once in those spots, but that's still more than you can say for the rest of the Revs, save perhaps Nyassi).

I'm not sure if New England simply looked past Joe Public, were too tired to put up a fight, or were simply lacking too many regular players. It's probably a combination of the three, with their lack of energy being the biggest culprit.

Tauro-Chivas: Chivas, despite their roster virtually halved by injuries, deserved a better result than 2-0. Tauro showed that they can play in the first half, but also showed that their fitness level matches that of most local indoor players. They were gassed after 30 minutes, got the halftime break, and then were completely out of energy again within 10 minutes. Chivas controlled the 2nd half due to the heavy legs of the Tauro players, but were entirely lacking in terms of the killer ball or finishing.

Harris should have scored on his 1st half breakaway (instead hit it into the keeper), and did virtually nothing for the rest of the game. Kljestan huffed and puffed, but Tauro knew that he was the only truly dangerous player on the Chivas roster at this point and crowded him out. Eskandarian looked very rusty (no big surprise for a guy that's barely played in 2 years). The defending on the 2nd Tauro goal was mind-numbingly terrible, as Thomas, Curtin, and Nagamura all made huge mistakes to let Aguilar walk in unscathed. If you didn't see it, it's worth the effort just to see how ridiculous it was (making matters worse was Christopher Sullivan ignoring this and lavishing Nagamura with praise, despite an overall poor effort).

What to expect in the 2nd leg: Both MLS teams should still go through. I think the Revs have potentially the more difficult task, since Tauro's lack of fitness should probably show up even faster assuming Chivas takes the initiative. If Chivas can get some minutes from Razov or Galindo, or even an average performance by Harris, they should have no problem generating chances and making the unfit Tauro players run to death.

New England's big problem on the night was simply looking jaded. If they play the way we usually see them play in MLS, they should have no trouble winning by at least 2 goals. Joe Public has some good players, but giving away that penalty in a game they otherwise dominated looks like it will be quite costly.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 27, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Assist to Don Garber for including SuperLiga in the schedule, because that is what the league's best teams needed - more useless games in the middle of the year.

Posted by: Not a Fan of Don Garber Right Now | August 27, 2008 5:00 AM | Report abuse

SuperLiga has turned MLS into a Mickey Mouse League. It is assinine that we included 5 stressfull games for New England in the middle of the season. Everybody knew that this was coming. Now we are reaping what we sowed.

SuperLiga showes the type of judgement reminiscent of the old NASL. I can't believe we piled more games into the MLS schedule. Now, when teams need it, they have nothing to give.

Don Garber is a Mickey Mouse Commissioner trying to make MLS a Mickey Mouse League. Did no one tell him that we are a member of FIFA and that FIFA is the organization through which we get ahead?

Posted by: Mickey Mouse | August 27, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

Who were half those guys out there for New England?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

They both looked exhausted.

Posted by: Eugene | August 27, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

These extra games are a joke. MLS teams can't handle the number of games with the current salary cap constraints. (See Goff's article this morning about Joe Vide making 17k/year) this might come back to bite MLS in the butt when the league and players negotiate a new deal next year.

Posted by: tim | August 27, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

But again: MLS teams lost to Jack Warner's Joe Public boys in front of 2,100 in Tunapuna....

Any thoughts?

Whoo hoo? I'm highly amused that there's a team named "Joe Public" let alone decent enough to beat the Revs, even if they were mainly reserves.

Posted by: La Barra Blonde | August 27, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

HA HA!

On the other hand, last I checked Cruz Azul were up 6-0 in their match...

Posted by: ff | August 27, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

But again: MLS teams lost to Jack Warner's Joe Public boys in front of 2,100 in Tunapuna....

Any thoughts?

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Maybe I have been living in So America too long, but anything related to Jack Warner smells of corruption to me anyway, so no, it doesn't surprise me. If he somehow won the Republican nomination at their convention - that would surprise me, but futbol related, if Jack is involved and it means he makes money off it, I believe it.

Posted by: Lost in BA | August 27, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Who cares?

Certainly didn't look like the Revs did.

Too many games for MLS teams to handle. Not enough depth. Something has gotta give.
This looks like it will be it.

Unless more first team slots and a bit more cash are added MLS teams will struggle. Especially if SLiga continues.

Things is I bet that SLiga makes money while I highly doubt this will any time soon, so we will continue to see SLiga.

Get used to it.

This is gonna be our int'l version of the US Open Cup. We will try half hearted, and if we get pretty far we will try harder. If we don't...oh well.

Posted by: TK | August 27, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I am sorry but against Trinidadian opposition salary cap constraints, lack of depth, two games a week involving extensive travel, etc. are not valid excuses to be effectively run off the pitch.

Posted by: Fulhus | August 27, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

For all the Garber complaints.

Which one makes money - SLiga or this? Which league can't afford to lose money?

That's just reality.
If you can't deal with it keep whining. US/MLS fans are real good at that.

I suspect that if DC can't get their stadium act together your whining will be about other issues...and it will be about what? Money and DC's continued issues. Whether you like it or not.

Insert usual excuse/shot "here" while denying reality only for it to come back and bite you in the rear.

Posted by: TK | August 27, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Easy there Mickey Mouse - you're treaded on my blog handle.

I hope NE England forces next week's game into overtime and goes to PK's. For once, It's good to see other teams actual suffer through grueling extra-league games that decimate the roster. I'm tired of hearing DCU-haters (Paging Mastadon Juan, paging Mastadon Juan) claim that fatigue from extra-league tournaments is a mere excuse for poor form down the stretch into the post-season.

The lack of depth is real and - as a bunch of ya'll pointed out - it's embarrassing for the league. Ironically - the current results "may" actually help align the ownership interests and the player interests during CBA negotiations next year...

Posted by: Mickey | August 27, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I'll repost my message from yesterday's "Gridlock of Champions" thread:

"For those assuming NE will breeze through in this "strugglesome" period, need I remind you they played their reserves against DC in the Open semifinal. You see the way that went down. I don't know that they'll be able to play their B team against the opponents they'll face early on. Joe Public's A team may very well whoop NE's B team, for example."


I see the future. Call me Nostra-Beaker.

Posted by: Beaker | August 27, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The Chivas USA loss doesn't surprise me at all. Before they flew down there it was clear that they might not make it through.

The Revs looking sorry. They just looked out of form and honestly, they looked uninspired for the most part.

Joe Public is better than some people think that they are and clearly Tauro is.

Joe Public still doesn't have the resources to compare to United or almost of the Central American sides but they aren't the same sort of side that some of you remember from the late 90's that used to get lit up in this sort of competition.
That was a long time ago...

Posted by: yankiboy | August 27, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

hehe..pathetic

Posted by: mizage | August 27, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

ohhh, fun were the days when Joe Public would grace RFK! You have to love a team named Joe Public!

Posted by: Tweaked | August 27, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised that CUSA lost, but I'm still disappointed.

NE will still probably pull through, but they played a lot of starters last night. From what I watched, they were the better team (Castro looked good).

I'd love to know the teams' travel plans. Play on Saturday, how many flights to get to T&T on Sunday...rest Monday, play Tuesday? That will take a lot out of you (at least the time zones were similar).

Posted by: RK | August 27, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Oo x3.
I have never even heard of those teams before in my life. Atleast that gives some exposure but man both MLS teams lost.
It looked on tv that both matches have about 100 people watching on recreational horrible turf fields.

Posted by: td | August 27, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, aside from one club with a catchy name and a potato patch for a pitch, what do non-Trinis know about the Trinidadian first division (is there even a first division?).
Posted by: Erick | August 27, 2008 1:59 AM
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The pitch at Marvin Lee Stadium is artificial. It's the Tauro pitch that's just horrendous. See my post from last night about Joe Public's stadium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Lee_Stadium

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 27, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Given the lack of mention in several write ups, I'm guessing there is no away goal ruling on this? If so, then the outlook for New England is considerably brighter after that penalty.

Chivas looks done for in this competition and given their current place in the league it might not be such a disaster to go out early.

For anyone hating on this competition you have to remember it's brand new and has the potential to gain tradition and become a meaningful (unlike Superliga)trophy.

Posted by: TheCoreSpeaks | August 27, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

@td: you've never heard of Joe Public? Well, they visited RFK back in 1998 and wound up on the wrong end of an 8-0 thrashing that still stands as United's biggest margin of victory ever. So, you know, kudos to New England for playing them tough.

Posted by: EdTheRed | August 27, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why Chivas are viewed as losing to Tauro because they're "depleted", while the Revs "weren't up for the game".

The Revs were missing Matt Reis, Chris Albright, Adam Cristman, Kenny Mansally, Kheli Dube, (all injured) and Khano Smith (Bermuda NT). And they are still waiting for Badilla to get his Visa.

I think another commenter was on the mark about how Joseph is really the glue of this team. He makes players like Larentowicz (essentially a journeyman) into solid MLS performers. And don't underestimate how much Michael Parkhurst's reputation has been aided by Joseph. Last night, even Shalrie was not able to overcome the inexperience and startling lack of pace of Chris Tierney and Pat Phelan.

Posted by: brianLBI | August 27, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm shocked traversing around the net that everyone seems to think these are surprise results. OF course we all recall DC in 1998 killing Joe Public but that DC team would dominate this watered down, expansion induced, SUM fixture congestion induced MLS. No MLS team has a player like Marco Etcheverry right now- none. Not a single player in MLS right now is at the level he or even Cienfuegos was at as a creative midfielder in the last 1990s.

These results are to be expected. Fixture congestion, Superliga and arrogance are dooming MLS. Sure they will both get through to the group stage but honestly the four MLS sides are likely to be less than competitive on the road in this tournament.

Also, tonight USL's two teams play. Puerto Rico is terrible and will probably be killed but I'm interested in seeing how Montreal who has gotten a bit hot lately in USL-1 after a slow start does.

Posted by: Kartik | August 27, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I think it's time to send Chivas back to Hospital.

Posted by: Douglas | August 27, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link I-270. I never knew about Landon's connection to the death of another player.

I did not know about the new pitch. I must have confused them with Harbour View...I am revisiting scenes in my memory of a Cristian Gomez-led United facing them HVFC on a pitch that looked like the floor of a cattle yard.

Posted by: Erick | August 27, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by Kartik: "Puerto Rico is terrible and will probably be killed"
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Might want to check the USL-1 standings.

Posted by: Goose | August 27, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Goose, thanks. I stand corrected. Still PR plays the type of team that would have actually hung six or seven goals on Chivas or NE last night, so I'm not holding my breathe.

Montreal on the other hand I suspect is going to do USL proud, in a fashion SUM, I mean MLS' sides did not.

Posted by: Kartik | August 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Ridiculous... no excuses

Posted by: Robert | August 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Just more ammunition for the players' union to negotiate higher salary caps, larger rosters, and higher minimum salaries. If Garber wants MLS teams to compete in all these international tournaments, which I think is a good thing for the league, the players, and the state of the sport in the US, he has to give them the tools to succeed.

Posted by: DCBird | August 27, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This is the first year of the competition. Give it time people. Be glad, these games will improve the game in the US and Canada. Because on MLS alone, you'll have trouble developing quality national sides and players worthy of the World Cup. Better players = a better product. And that's a win-win for all soccer fans.

Posted by: Izzy | August 27, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Maybe New England thought they were playing this Joe Public:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8OxBZHn_4g

Posted by: Anonymous | August 27, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I liked watching both games. Joe Public played with spirit. The Revs were depleted and especially missed Reiss who would have probably stopped at least one of those goals but it was still fun to watch them lose! Their lack of energy was especially telling at the end of the match when they more or less wasted as much or more time than Joe Public in getting the ball into play. There was no urgency to their play. Maybe they think they can win easily in Foxboro but I hope Joe Public puts up a good fight - even though I cringe at the thought of Jack Warner reaping the benefits of all this. Wonder how his team got that FIFA grant to install the turf at his stadium? Pays to be connected.

Posted by: noname | August 27, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

EricK,

DC United is not going to play Tauro or Joe Public unless both DC and one of those teams advance deep into the tournament.

In Group A, DC will play Saprissa, Cruz Azul (unless they find a way to blow a 6-goal lead against a semi-pro team), and the winner of Metapan vs Marathon. Those last two are from El Salvador and Honduras which means they should provide decent opposition.

http://www.concacaf.com/competitions/champsleague/

Last night's results sucked for MLS but both Chivas USA and New England can still advance if they take the return legs seriously.

I watched some of Cruz Azul vs Belize's Hankook Verdes last night. Cruz Azul showed off the advantage of having a deep roster as their B team still features some pretty good professional-quality talent (unlike MLS reserve teams).

I wouldn't mind if an accident happens to the Cruz Azul fan in the stands who blasts the fog horn / truck horn for 30 seconds at a time.

Posted by: garbaggio | August 27, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

For all the Garber complaints.

Which one makes money - SLiga or this? Which league can't afford to lose money?

That's just reality.
If you can't deal with it keep whining. US/MLS fans are real good at that.

I suspect that if DC can't get their stadium act together your whining will be about other issues...and it will be about what? Money and DC's continued issues. Whether you like it or not.

Insert usual excuse/shot "here" while denying reality only for it to come back and bite you in the rear.

Posted by: TK | August 27, 2008 8:45 AM

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I get that you are angry and disdainful. You captured that perfectly. Now all you have to do is say something that makes sense and you will have the foundation of a basic post on the internet. Good luck with the process!

Posted by: Good Luck! | August 27, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I love how some mention the 8-0 result that DC inflicted on Joe Public to somehow diss the Revs. That result was ten years ago. It is actually possible for teams to, you know, improve!

It's also amusing to read all the whining and hand-wringing going on after last night's results. Y'all sound exactly like Mexican fans, complaining about the state of the fields, how few people were in attendance, how depleted the MLS squad swere, and how meaningless this tournament is. I'm laughing all the way!

Posted by: fig | August 27, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, tonight USL's two teams play. Puerto Rico is terrible and will probably be killed Also, tonight USL's two teams play. Puerto Rico is terrible and will probably be killed...

Posted by: Kartik | August 27, 2008 10:13 AM
-------------------------------------------@Kartik. Since Goose already got to you and you "stood corrected" I won't pile on... No need to.

You clearly ahven't been following my Islanders. We haven't been a bad side since 2004, our debut A-League season. We have had bad moments. Some bad runs. But now we are playing quite well.Don't hold your breath on us getting waxed.It could happen but I doubt it. If we head back to Bayamon down a goal or two, it won't be a horrible result.

Colin Clarke will probably have the boys playing well. Look for ex-United player Petter Villegas to help steer our attack and to probably get a shot or two on frame himself. When he and Noah Delgado play well, our attack has a chance. This will be the biggest game in the Islanders' short history. I am hoping for a decent result and even though Alajuela is class, Clarke will have the benefit of his predecessor's , El Professor Toribio Rojas knowledge if he wants it. It was a big part of Tico futbol and Alajuela many years ago. We also had at least one ex-Islander briefly play with Alajuela and they wanted to try and sign our Hatian forward, Frabrice Noel (ex-Colorado Rapids/Clavijo discover) but it didn't work out due to immigration issues. We are going to play tonight. We might get beat. We might be dominated but I am optomistic that we will not get embarrassed. If we take a lot of wood tonight, I expect the return leg in Puerto Rico to be better.

Posted by: yankiboy | August 27, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

@fig: Ding! Ding! Ding! Slow You are starting to sound like a genius. You are making way too much sense...

Posted by: yankiboy | August 27, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Montreal on the other hand I suspect is going to do USL proud, in a fashion SUM, I mean MLS' sides did not.

Posted by: Kartik | August 27, 2008 11:15 AM
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Oh yeah, forgot about the other insights that you shared.

I'm not saying the following because we Puerto RIco Islanders fans HATE Montreal (which we truly do).

They are playing an opponent who isn't even close to the class of the one that we are facing tonight. That isn't being disrespectful to their opponent. I'm just stating a fact. On paper, the Quebecois side got an easy draw. If Montreal gets past the Nicaraguan based side, they should have. If they don't, then they choked. It will be a failure for them. Compared to our draw, our only failure will be if we get waxed. They could go through and we could still lose and not go through and still have reprezented the USL better than they did.

I hope that Montreal gets through. As much as I "hate" that freaking team, they are reprezenting the USL so as long as they don't ever face DC United, I wish them well when they player a non-USL side. Any other time, I and other Islanders' fans are pulling for them to lose (which they have done a LOT of this USL1 season). Props to them for winning the Nutrilite Cup and getting the spot.

Posted by: yankiboy | August 27, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Beaker:

You might want to hold off on starting that 1-800-BEAKER line. The Revs started Heaps, Parkhurst, Larentowicz, Nyassi, Joseph, Ralston, Castro, and Twellman. That's 8 starters. Hardly reserves. The fact was that their best available team looked tired, disinterested, and got lucky to only lose 2-1.

fig:

If this competition is so meaningless, then what are MLS teams supposed to do for international competition? I guess we can rely on Superliga (which is of dubious merit, and only sees opponents from 1 country), the Pan-Pacific Championship (inexplicably glorified pre- and post-season friendlies for every team involved), and summer visits from Euro teams (again, friendlies).

Like it or not, this is a better tournament than the Champions Cup and it is the biggest international tournament for teams in this region (other than Mexican teams getting into Copa Libertadores). I do agree with you that the excuses being bandied about are lame. However, I think that writing off this competition means writing off meaningful international play for MLS altogether.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 27, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Rod Carew sure was a hell of a player...
Sounds like our champions league is off to a fine start, I'll bet on the other side of the coin, Tauro and Joe Public's fans are stoked. That's the thing that makes CL so cool, is underdogs catching the favorites with their pants down.
As MLS fans we could whine about our lack of depth, money, blah, blah, blah, but the truth of the matter is that none of that is going to get put these teams through. Coach's need to use their "soccer brains" and the PROFESSIONAL players need to man up. This isn't Super Liga, it's CCL. GO BIG OR GO HOME.
As a fan of United, I just don't see the point about lamenting what could be, I'm just going to cross my fingers, knock on wood, and maybe say a little prayer that some of our injured stars heal up. If they don't. I have plenty of faith in the fact that some of our reserves have finally seen what is at stake, and realize the possibility of attaining a little glory themselves.
Our last game was a true testament to that!
Go Big or Go Home, and whatever you do, don't blame the club's failures on "MLS, fixture congestion, Blanco, Hernias, etc".
It just makes us sound like whiners.

Posted by: dadryan | August 27, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

oh gtfo HATER.
weren't you the one who provided all the excuses as to why none of the teams will be successful? good luck dc who couldn't beat chivas AT HOME in preason form who now must play cruz azul who is now in midseason form. YIKES

Posted by: MarkVA | August 27, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with that point about sounding like whiners. Even if the MLS team fields 11 reserves (just humor me, OK?), they should be motivated to play aggressively. But NE did not show that at all. Maybe Nichols' problem was that he didn't put in enough reserves.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 27, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You talking to me MarkVA? can't tell...
I was just saying I'm happy with the CCL format and general idea.
Next year will be better,(Better win the Open Cup DC!).
I was also as I-270 pointed out feeling that our reserves have had plenty of motivation in the last two and half months to find reasons to train hard, and bring their A game to the match when called on.

Posted by: dadryan | August 27, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

To those complaining about the salary cap limitations in the MLS hindering performance against these small clubs. How much cash do think these Central American teams have to spend on their rosters?

Posted by: CD | August 27, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Some interesting results in last night's games too.

Posted by: tsingletonvt | August 28, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

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