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The Good, the Bad, the Coyote Ugly

THE GOOD

*Joe Vide's one-timer for his first career goal and Santino Quaranta's rocket.
*Andre Rocha from 40?!
*Chad Barrett turns, fires, equalizes.
*Guillermo Barros Schelotto sets up Chad Marshall's early goal and later adds a PK and another assist. Can you say: MVP?
*Steve Ralston's 350th career start. He holds five MLS records: minutes (31,223), games (353), starts (350), assists (126) and game-winning assists (37).
*Jimmy Conrad's team-leading fifth goal and celebration in the Cauldron.
*Juan Pablo Angel's sixth goal in six games to help New York extend its unbeaten streak to five.
*Seven fouls in the entire TFC-NE match.
*Zach Thornton's leaping save on Ronnie O'Brien's rising bid.
*Taylor Twellman's 95th career goal.
*Seth Stammler's through ball that led to Dane Richards's goal and Diego Jimenez's long ball for Mike Magee's finish.
*Louis Crayton's second shutout in three appearances for DCU.
*Columbus's Emmanuel Ekpo winning an Olympic silver medal with Nigeria.

THE BAD

*Colorado having conceded two goals in the first 30 minutes all season, but nine in the final 15 minutes of the first half, including Vide's strike in the 45th.
*Western Conference teams' 11-41-22 road record. They are 5-23-6 in road games against the East.
*Pablo Ricchetti becoming the fourth Dallas player to see red this year.
*12,000-plus in attendance for Columbus, Chivas USA and New York at home.

THE COYOTE UGLY

*Western Conference teams going 0-4-1 against Eastern foes this past week and getting outscored 11-1.
*New Galaxy midfielder Eddie Lewis's eyebrow gash in the USA World Cup qualifier, courtesy of former RSLer Gustavo Cabrera.
*RSL's seven goals conceded in the last two matches. "It's not even the number of goals we're allowing, though the game tonight probably could have been six or seven," Jason Kreis said. "It seems like we've got to take a few steps back here and figure things out quickly defensively."
*The Red Bulls playing on a field with yard marks, an NFL logo and a Play Football promotion. Good news, though, lies ahead.

What else ya got for me?

By Steve Goff  |  August 24, 2008; 7:30 PM ET
Categories:  MLS  
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Comments

You forgot about Wednesday:
The Good: Kei Kamara's two goals against Chivas in that 4-0 win for the Dynamo
The Bad: Tom Soehn's first loss against New England.

Posted by: person | August 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Goff doesn't usually include mid-week games, do you Goff?

Posted by: Sparky | August 24, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

No, not usually. Except to make a broader point.


Posted by: Goff | August 24, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The good: that 12,000 is our standard for "the bad" where not that long ago it was 10,000.

Posted by: Stan | August 24, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

GOOD
Marginal GKer Steve Cronin's great save, pushing Chris Rolfe's blast onto the right post

COYOTE UGLY
Two of the most boring MLS games in history in the span of three evenings at Home Depot Center. The winner: Chicago, on John Thorrington's goal. The loser: Anyone who attended both.

Posted by: Troy | August 24, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Steve, Crayton made a nice save to deny a header second before the half. I thought that was better than Thorntons. Check it out

Posted by: Swampfox | August 24, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm well aware of Crayton's save -- I saw it in person. But I don't have any specific video of it so I decided to make a general reference to his second shutout.

Posted by: Goff | August 24, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Goff
Can you create a "special kind of hell" category for that feild NYRB play on? (I turned the channel at half-time!) Same with NE's plastic mess, TFC's recycled garbage grass of a feild, and the green pavement of RSL.

Posted by: boda united | August 24, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The (potentially) very good:

Seeing Ben Olsen in uniform and on the bench, hoping that he's turned the corner for good.

Posted by: Section 130 | August 24, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The Good - Anyone ever win MVP that didn't make the All-Star team?


The Bad - The MVP that doesn't make the All-Star team


The Ugly - The coach that didn't pick the league MVP for the All-Star team.

Posted by: Brant | August 24, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Goff --- Yeah I was at that game. You never hear that kind of ovation off a save unless its a
1) PK save
2) A goal

If I find video, would that work?

Posted by: Swampfox | August 24, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Swampfox | August 24, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I repeat: Goff there has to be a story behind benny on the bench, we need more info! What's the scoop mr. Soccer insider????

Posted by: benny | August 24, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

David Beckham appeared at the oly closing cermon but nbc commentator faild to inform he plays for la galaxy

Posted by: td | August 24, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why where Becks plays was relevant, come to think of it Beckham's relevance to the Olympics itself is pretty much non existant.
They did have a few cyclists in the routine, but it was lame.
Where were the track bikes? Where were the rest of the total bad a$$ british track squad? Velodrome not foot race.

Posted by: dadryan | August 24, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Olsen has been making progress and, given United's roster problems, was added to the 18-man list. Nothing else to tell.


Posted by: Goff | August 24, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Beckham was not as out of place as Jimmy Page. That was awful.

Posted by: Goff | August 24, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The Good:

Barra Brava coming up with a new song - yes, it's still stuck in my head

whoa-ooaa, whoa-ooaa, whoa-OOaa
whoa-ooaa, whoa-ooaa, whoa-OOaa
whoa-ooaa, whoa-ooaa, whoa-OOaa
whoa-ooaa, whoa-ooaa, whoa-OOaa

LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA
LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA
LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA
LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA

Posted by: Ameobi | August 24, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The BAD: United has SIX regular starters with injuries.

Posted by: kris | August 24, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Don't hate in NY's attendance. The Red Bulls have had to suffer through three straight Sunday August afternoon matches.

Posted by: Mr. Fish | August 24, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

The BAD: United has SIX regular starters with injuries.


Posted by: kris | August 24, 2008 10:29 PM
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Sorry, that should be THE COYOTE UGLY.

Posted by: kris | August 24, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

The Barra has been doing that song all year wrong. "Dale Cavese" Dunno why it's taken so long to catch on, a complete United newbie that I brought to the TFC match earlier this summer picked up on it immediately.

Posted by: AlecW81 | August 24, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Its going to be rough on any country following China to host the Olympics. I was thinking what on EARTH could England do to even match China on the opening ceremony? Then I realized its quite simple really, they will rely on what they usually rely on, musical star power. Elton John will sing out the opening song followed by George Michael backed by Queen... sigh...

I just hope they hire whoever put together China's presentation!

Posted by: Felix | August 24, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I just hope they hire whoever put together China's presentation!

Including the "enhanced" fireworks and substitute, lip-synching singer? Nah, in addition to Sir Elton, George Michael and Queen, you'll also have a performance by Sir Paul and Ringo, joined by Julian Lennon.

Obligatory soccer content: The UK, as host, gets an automatic pass into the soccer tourney, and they'll be fielding a combined England/Scotland/Wales/NIreland squad. Think they can claim gold this time round?

Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 25, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

we dont do it wrong we do it our own way...

Posted by: barra brava | August 25, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Goff, do you have any insight on how the MLS is doing financially? Attendance, revenue, etc

It would be nice to see a significantly increased salary cap and more senior roster players in the next CBA, but those are hard sells if teams are still losing money.

Posted by: noptov52 | August 25, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

The Coyote Ugly

Metro single tracking on a Saturday night for work causing many people to show up as late as halftime! Plus, non-soccer related, it's SATURDAY NIGHT where people rely on that to get into the city to party! It takes forever!

Posted by: Q | August 25, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

US Women win Gold
guess doesn't tie into MLS too much, but hope solo made those saves

Posted by: the good | August 25, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Bad: It seemed Saturday night was Metro Amateur Hour. When did standing on the left stop being a crime on par with treason to Metro regulars?

Coyote Ugly: It's looking more and more likely that the Wizards, despite a DP forward/winger, will be lead in scoring by a center back.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 25, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

The UK, as host, gets an automatic pass into the soccer tourney, and they'll be fielding a combined England/Scotland/Wales/N Ireland squad. Think they can claim gold this time round?

SportzNut21

No

Unfortunately single-tracking is as normal as the threat of rain on gamedays, Q.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

re: The good: that 12,000 is our standard for "the bad" where not that long ago it was 10,000.

Posted by: Stan | August 24, 2008 7:53 PM

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I believe below 10k historically has been labeled "Coyote Ugly". 12k is and has been consistent with "Bad".

Your point is taken though, sort of. Columbis Crew home atteendance this season has for the most part been "Coyote Ugly" in terms of people in seats (or rather lack thereof). Their attendance Saturday may indeed have risen to "Bad". Too early to say if it is a trend, though.

If Chivas really did have 12k people in seats that is actually good for them. This is probably not enough to save the franchise, though. Look for them to be folded or relocated/rebranded.

Red Bull Arena is New York's last hope. That team is pretty much dead to New York and its media even though they are paying better. NY Times uses AP when reportiung NYRB results. Here's to hoping for a resurrection once stadium is done.

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Ron, do you have any evidence to back up your claim about Chivas USA? Also, I don't think that I would classify Red Bull Arena as a last hope. You don't commit $150 million dollars for 'one last shot.' That's a long term commttment.

Posted by: G | August 25, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

"Also, I don't think that I would classify Red Bull Arena as a last hope. You don't commit $150 million dollars for 'one last shot.' That's a long term commttment."

Yeah, that was completely wrong. The CURRENT average attendance is such that the team would be out of the red if they controlled the revenue at their stadium. Ron's statement is a thinly-veiled wind-up.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 25, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Beckham was not as out of place as Jimmy Page. That was awful.

Posted by: Goff | August 24, 2008 10:04 PM
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Anyone else find it weird that that Page and the singer performed "Whole Lotta Love," written and first performed by Willie Dixon - from Chicago?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 25, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse


Beckham was not as out of place as Jimmy Page. That was awful.

Posted by: Goff | August 24, 2008 10:04 PM
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Anyone else find it weird that that Page and the singer performed "Whole Lotta Love," written and first performed by Willie Dixon - from Chicago?
================

Isn't that song a fornication tribute? I thought it odd for the Olympics, but watched hoping there would be some interpretation of the lyrics provided by the NBC commentators.

Posted by: Jester64 | August 25, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I think Beckham has been identified as one of Great Britain's ambassadors for the 2012 Olympics. For as much as he's become the face of England, I'm surprise he hasn't been knighted yet.

As for their "unified" soccer team, I'll believe it when I see it. My understanding is that between England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland, none of the FAs can get along well enough to agree to support the "unification."

Posted by: TCompton | August 25, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

TC:

Becks has an OBE (for 'services to football' natch) he'll be Sir David soon enough, I wager.

Posted by: northzax | August 25, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

@ gnat, pigsweet:
Anyone know who the yellow people are in the upper deck with the MLS banner are?

Posted by: gnat | August 23, 2008 8:31 PM

The people in the upper deck are ultra-violent super intelligent ape-human hybrids. I don't know why they have a mls banner. They wish to be known as "the overlords".

Posted by: pigman sweet | August 23, 2008 8:34 PM

--Okay, but where does hybrids' blue/orange flag come from?

Posted by: gringo | August 25, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

The bad (for the Rapids): Conor Casey lumbering around, and getting robbed on headers by shorter United defenders all night.

Posted by: gringo | August 25, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Good: At least real construction has started for NY's stadium/park/field
Bad: Kenny Cooper, where have you gone?
Coyote Ugly: Christian Gomez

Posted by: RK | August 25, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

If a unified UK side doesn't happen, then what? The only other possibility I can think of is a play-in tournament, with the winner (say, Northern Ireland) representing the UK.

Speaking of which, were the Celtoid components of the UK represented in the closing ceremonies?

Posted by: The Jeff | August 25, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Why is the West having a bad road record an UGLY?? Isn't true Home Field Advantage what MLS Whiners have been looking for?? If they were .500 you would be crying about home field not meaning anything.

Posted by: ???? | August 25, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

G, I didn't make a "claim" about Chivas USA. I expressed an opinion. It is a fact, though, the CUSA is a dismal failure at the gate. They are every bit as bad a failure as were Tampa Bay and Miami. CUSA's days are numbered.

MJ, $150 mil for a stadium is a long term commitment -- for a stadium. If the soccer team can't draw, the soccer team can disappear and the stadium can still make money with concerts and tractor pulls.

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

@ gnat & pig sweet

I saw many of those yellow clad people from the upper deck in the DC United store after the match and on the Metro. During the game they were waving a Pennsylvania state flag along with something else I couldn't make out.

In the store it became more apparent...the shirts read something to the effect:
'Philadelphia 2010'
I'm guessing the 'Sons of Ben?'...
confirmed...their webnsite has photos from this weekend's game and had a yellow and light blue color scheme.
http://www.sonsofben.net/Home/Home.html


Posted by: Redd | August 25, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

sportznut21 wrote:
The UK, as host, gets an automatic pass into the soccer tourney, and they'll be fielding a combined England/Scotland/Wales/NIreland squad. Think they can claim gold this time round?

Response:

Obviously it would be a strong team, but in my opinion, there is absolutely no way there will be a combined UK (or even a combined British . . .i.e., just England, Scotland and Wales, but omitting northern Ireland) soccer team. The English *might* go for it, but I would seriously doubt that the northern Irish, Scots, or Welsh would ever agree. At least one reason for this is that while FIFA has been inconsistent on the issue, Blatter has indicated on one occasion that fielding a combined team might jeopardize the status of the individual FAs to field teams in world cup qualifying.

I would be astounded if a combined team comes to pass for the 2012 olympics.

See this BBC link for a good overview of the controversy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics/football/7529807.stm

Posted by: DCpaddy | August 25, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Why is the West having a bad road record an UGLY??

Posted by: ???? | August 25, 2008 9:56 AM
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The comparator is the East's road record: 22-34-17 or 83 points of a possible 219 (37%).

West road record: 11-41-22 or 55 points out of 222 (25%).

It's Steve's prerogative to categorize it as Ugly. I would call it bad as there are only two points of comparison.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 25, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The "Great Britain" team will probably be all England players, re-branded with the Union Jack. Beckham will be one of the overage players, for publicity purposes. He'll play the last five minutes of every game.

Forget the Red Bulls - when is the new team and stadium in Queens coming online?

:-)

Posted by: 2012 | August 25, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Two things (not misses from the Monday list, but reactions thereto):

Schellotto IS the MLS MVP without question.

If the former USMNT Coach could have brought home the MLS Cup title when he coached the Red Bulls, would the new stadium have simply been named "Bruce" Arena???

Posted by: BaltoFan | August 25, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"*The Red Bulls playing on a field with yard marks, an NFL logo and a Play Football promotion. Good news, though, lies ahead."
---------

Glad to hear SOMEbody's stadium is actually getting built...

Posted by: Juan-John | August 25, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of stadiums, it has been forever since we've heard anything...

Posted by: RK | August 25, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The Good: Goff found real, undoctored (apparently) video of Zach Thorton making a save. Well done, Steven. How many hours of searching did that take?

The bad: The supposed GK factory of America has Thorton starting and Wells starting for 1/2 of a year.

Coyote Ugly: Gotta second the nomination for Jimmy Page and whatever the heck they were doing there last night.

Posted by: marksman | August 25, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The coach didn't name the MVP to the all-star team because he probably forgot that the team the MVP plays for is in MLS. This is understandeable, since said team plays its home games in an empty stadium.

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

didn't make a "claim" about Chivas USA. I expressed an opinion. It is a fact, though, the CUSA is a dismal failure at the gate. They are every bit as bad a failure as were Tampa Bay and Miami. CUSA's days are numbered.

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 9:58 AM

--

CUSA's 12,000 more like 8,000. They are a failure at the gate. But they are a major success in corporate sponsorship. Club actually doing well overall. Rumors of various places they might move within SoCal. Carson/South Bay hardly a Mexican stronghold (although nearby Lynwood, Compton, Watts are heavily Latino). San Fernando Valley, northern Orange County, San Gabriel Valley or Inland Empire might be better fits, but all lacking an appropriate facility.

Posted by: Carson | August 25, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

If relocated, I suspect CUSA will likely be out of So Cal altogether.

Corporate sponsorship is nice, but corporate sponsors do not tend to stick around and renew their contracts when there is close to zero interest in the team on the part of the public.

In Colorado's case, if I were Dicks Sporting Goods I would be demanding my money back.

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Some of the posters are missing the point concerning corporate sponsorship: Behinds in seats are not as important as your brand been paraded through hours and hours of TV and other media coverage. Red Bull and Dick's are only paying for electronic/other media advertising. Simple....

Posted by: Green Hornet - DC | August 25, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Green Hornet, that assumes people are watching the games. Colorado home games are not exactly setting national TV records game in and game out. New York Red Bulls are not exactly a ubiquitous media presence in New York. They are lucky to get an AP story in their own paper, the NY Times. Shall I go on?

Posted by: Ron | August 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The UK, as host, gets an automatic pass into the soccer tourney, and they'll be fielding a combined England/Scotland/Wales/N Ireland squad. Think they can claim gold this time round?
SportzNut21


-Scotland has already KO'ed the idea

Posted by: celtic fc fan | August 25, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

So was Tino taunting the Rapids fans after his goal?

Posted by: Rob | August 25, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Rob:

What Rapids fans?

The only fan interaction Tino participated in after his goal was to high five a little kid whose dad had a Quaranta jersey. Those fans in the upper bowl were the Sons of Ben.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 25, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Forgot what I had actually set out to say:

Schelotto is MVP at this point, but there's still 9 games left. Does anyone remember Amado Guevara taking the award despite playing well below par for the 2nd half of the season?

You can't forget that Donovan was being penciled in for the award 6 weeks ago, or the season Cooper is having despite the upheaval and lack of quality around him. Schelotto's the front-runner, but we're just beginning the debate. Think of this as primary season.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | August 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

So was Tino taunting the Rapids fans after his goal?

Posted by: Rob | August 25, 2008 6:57 PM
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No. The soccer moms and their kids had to leave at halftime to make it to the back to school sale at Macy's.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 25, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

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