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United-Red Bulls, the Aftermath

From DCU's perspective, there was good news:

*Marcelo Gallardo returned from a two-month layoff and played well in 20 minutes, setting himself up to play significant minutes Wednesday in the U.S. Open Cup final.

*Francis Doe returned from more than a month off and was okay before running out of steam.

*Louis Crayton made a couple superb saves for another clean sheet, though straying from the penalty area regularly is going to drive Tom Soehn crazy. "He has to learn, once is okay, twice is pushing it and three times is too many," the coach said.

*The Atlantic Cup will reside at RFK for the sixth time in seven years. The teams split the series, 1-1-1, and were even on goal differential and total goals, but as holders, DCU retains it. Woohoo.

But with the good news comes the bad news:

*Jaime Moreno failed to convert a PK for the second time this summer as the Red Bulls shut out DCU at RFK for the first time in history (30 games, all competitions).

*Luciano Emilio left just before halftime with a groin injury. "He is a veteran, he knew when to pull himself out to make sure he is available. We will evaluate more tomorrow," Soehn said.

My match report with quotes is here.

PLAYER RATINGS: Crayton 7; Martinez 6, Namoff 6, McTavish 6, Burch 6; Quaranta 6, Simms 6, Vide 7, Guerrero 5; Moreno 4, Emilio 5. Subs: Doe 5, Gallardo 6, Dyachenko 5.

By Steve Goff  |  August 31, 2008; 12:46 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

Senor Goff -- if you were at the match, then you know what I'm talking about when I ask you to use your investigative journalistic wiles to find out who the hell Karl is/was.

Posted by: Bootsy | August 31, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Huh?

Posted by: Goff | August 31, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse


For a long stretch of the second half -- maybe 3 or 4 minutes straight -- the large scoreboard to the left of the jumbotron (the largest scoreboard in the stadium) went blank, then was replaced with a message that said

KARL
THE END IS NEAR

It stayed that way for about 4 minutes, before it came back with the score and time.

Posted by: Bootsy | August 31, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

This was not during halftime, btw -- it was in the middle of play.

Posted by: Bootsy | August 31, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

LOL

We can't see the upper scoreboards from the press area. Sorry, can't help ya. It's a mystery.

Posted by: Goff | August 31, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Crayton was hilarious! Perhaps the only entertainment of the evening.

Posted by: Dan | August 31, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Not beating metrosexuals=fail

Posted by: Oliver | August 31, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

We need our 75% squad back to win the east, and our 100% squad to win the cup....
Jaime with rest, complimented by a rested midfield does not miss the net...D

Posted by: DC Historian | August 31, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

That Karl message was driving me crazy until outside RFK I heard a couple of guys talking about how Karl was getting married next week. The end is near indeed.

Posted by: The Wedding Singer | August 31, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

While Crayton saved our arses on several occasions, I am not looking forward to the day Rob Stone replaces the imfamous saying "you just got burned Jonny Walker" with Louis Crayton. Some real boneheaded goal tending. Dribbling the ball around Dane Richards not once but twice? Chasing a ball 40 yards from goal?

I love his quickness and assuredness. But as players learn his game we will pay the price. Unless TS gets him under control now.

I hate to see a game with a poor ref who gives our players cards for fouls in which they retaliate to prove a point.

Posted by: JMR | August 31, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

I think Gallardo or Emilio get to take the penalty shots from now on. Agreed?

Posted by: TG | August 31, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

That Karl thing was driving me crazy too...for a few minutes there it had us in the the SE/BB sections singing "Who the F--- is Karl? Who the F--- is Karl?

Posted by: SE2040 | August 31, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

TG - umm NO.. Just cuz he missed two? I still like the odds with Jamie over the others....plus its the captains choice.

Posted by: bobf | August 31, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Crayton: four games, tree shutouts, I think. I think Wells will not be returning. I like him (Crayton), though the dribbling Richards was fun once, not twice...

Jaime is still the man.

Earlier in the year we lost this type of game, now we win or tie.

Don't forget Peralta is still not in. We haven't yet had full strength team with competent goalkeeping all year. We will just in time for the playoffs, I'm optimistic.

Posted by: RRP | August 31, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't see a rating of 6 for Burch... ineffective crossing, poor marking and clearances... the guy is a liability and maybe the main reason we have such a shaky back line.

Posted by: newhampave | August 31, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Crayton was the man of the match. We are a different team with him in goal.

Posted by: DC United Fan | August 31, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I know Jaime takes our PKs, but I don't care for the guy who got hacked for the PK to be the one to turn around and take it, but in the end it was one miss out of so many successful conversions. Plus we did not lose (though it kind'a feels like it), so I suppose we can forgive Jaime.

Man, I hate to say it but it seems like the Pink Cows have finally got their act together. Ever since that Barca spanking, which coincided with the addition of some quality talent, they look good. If they make it over to the Weaker Conference side come the playoffs they could very well find themselves at the big dance. Yikes!!

Posted by: Kosh | August 31, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Im hoping Moreno will retire after this season, his age has gotten the best of him in the pitch. His vision isnt the same any more, forget the heart and soul of the team. We need victories! And a leader who will get us there.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 31, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes. College football is upon us and Steve has to yield the Sports front page with color photos to the helmeted hordes of the plastic meadows. Nevertheless, nice report on (sniff) page 3 with a (sob) B&W photo.

In the end, we missed a chance on the PK, but JPA missed a chance on an open goal. So we'll call it even and focus on the USOC final.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 31, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I'll quibble a bit with Quaranta's 6. He did a lot of short passing to where United players weren't, followed by what appeared to be looking around for who the culprit was.

Posted by: seahawkdad | August 31, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

What exactly did Rod Dyachenko do to earn a 5? He came in, committed some fouls and gave the ball away.

Couldn't he have been given a negative rating?

Posted by: Ratings Guy | August 31, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

""What exactly did Rod Dyachenko do to earn a 5""

Not only that, but the MLSnet highlights show him stealing a header from Namoff (?) who had a clear shot on goal.

Dyastinko put it wide . .

Posted by: delantero | August 31, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

There were no defenders there to help Crayton. If he didn't come out he is one on one with an obvious disadvantage.

Posted by: peridigm | August 31, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Is Crayton still part of the Liberian national team setup?

Posted by: Kartik | August 31, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

If any blame is to be placed, it's on Jaime. He LOST the game for us.
I am not whining... I'm blaming.

Posted by: dadryan | August 31, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

No one will accuse DC fans of stuffing the ballot box for GOTW.

Battle of American owners on FSC: Lerner (Aston Villa) v Liverpool (Hicks & Gilette).

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 31, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

THE GOOD: Beckham's through balls to Donovan. Sweet!

Posted by: delantero | August 31, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Im hoping Moreno will retire after this season, his age has gotten the best of him in the pitch. His vision isnt the same any more, forget the heart and soul of the team. We need victories! And a leader who will get us there.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 31, 2008 10:31 AM

Dude, what are you talking about? Jaime has 9 goals and 8 assists. Sounds like a good season to me. Plus the intangibles of his character and leadership.

Posted by: FC | August 31, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Washdipssincewhenever-

Are you high? Would have rather jaimie makes the pk but our offense dopesnt move without him. I just want to see a healthy jaimie, emilio, gallardo and fred on the field at the same time.

Posted by: pigman sweet | August 31, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Goff you are clearly not getting a good view from the press box! Here are the real ratings:

Crayton 7
Martinez 6
Namoff 6
McTavish 6
Burch 4 (what kind of a former forward does not know how to cross the ball?)
Guerrero 4 (His touch was awful all game long)
Vide 7
Simms 6
Quaranta 5
Moreno 4
Emelio 4 (He must have been injured before the game b/c he work rate was awful)
Subs: Gallardo 6, Dyachenko N/R, and Doe 5

I have never watched a more boring game in DC vs. the Red Bulls. If we played like that against any other decent team we would have been crushed. Someone please explain why one week we play a 3-5-2 and win 3-0 and the next a 4-4-2 and get shutout. Does Soehn have any type of short term memory?

Posted by: ratings | August 31, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Would you repeat the question?

Posted by: T. Soehn | August 31, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I posted a long time ago that Wells is a good fit tactically for our style. Crayton is because he's quick n agressive off his line. Some real good saves mixed with two unecessary gambles one being diving out to cover a pass when angel hadn't done so. Can't believe angel missed an open net. The othr was his last dribbling event. Should have just kicked it out. Still though, his agressiveness fits our team and his gaa proves it

Posted by: Matt Y | August 31, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Clayton can score this year off a give-and-go with Martinez in the attacking third.

Posted by: Mysterian | August 31, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Crayton not Clayton

Posted by: Mysterian | August 31, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Has Max Bretos given up match preparation? Twice last night on Fox he said Gallardo was returning after a couple of missed matches because of injury.

And Chris Sullivan didn't bother to correct him. Maybe he didn't do his prep either.

I'm not the biggest Dave Johnson fan, but at least he gets most of his facts correct.

Crayton roamed outside the box because his defenders didn't do their jobs. With Wells in there, who knows what would have happened.

Posted by: Running Cloud | August 31, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Can't believe angel missed an open net."

I'll give him a pass. He was almost at the end line, after faking Crayton onto his ass, and the angle was nearly impossible.

Still laughing at Moreno's miss. Hilarious how he snickered and mocked Conway prior to the kick, then put it wide.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | August 31, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Actually what is a big laugh is a Joasey fan trying to laugh at DCU because;

DCU
Domestic
• MLS Cup:
o Winners (4): 1996, 1997, 1999, 2004
o Runners-up (1): 1998
• MLS Supporters' Shield:
o Winners (4): 1997, 1999, 2006, 2007
o Runners-up (1): 1998
• US Open Cup:
o Winners (1): 1996
o Runners-up (1): 1997
International
• CONCACAF Champions' Cup:
o Winners (1): 1998
o Third place (3): 1997, 1999, 2007
• CONCACAF Giants Cup:
o Runners-up (1): 2001
• InterAmerican Cup:
o Winners (1): 1998


Joasey

Domestic
• US Open Cup:
o Runners-up (1): 2003
International
• La Manga Cup:
o Winners (1): 2004

Posted by: LW | August 31, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Im hoping Moreno will retire after this season, his age has gotten the best of him in the pitch. His vision isnt the same any more, forget the heart and soul of the team. We need victories! And a leader who will get us there.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 31, 2008 10:31 AM

What the hell team have you been watching this year? Jaime has put this team on his aging back and carried it on innumerable occasions.

Posted by: viv | August 31, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm an RBNY fan & while I would have loved the three points, Moreno missing that PK more than made up for it.

Evertone, sing along:

Jai-me Mo-re-no
And DC are ghetto
DC is ghetto
Very very ghetto!

You guys are so late 90s!

Posted by: Smith | August 31, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

@smith

Look three post up...

Posted by: peridigm | August 31, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I agree on the parts where you folks said that United need a new PK taker-Moreno's lost it. Dyachenko was a mistake to put in as well as the fact that Crayton was the most entertaining player of the game. Burch definitely did not have a good game, no complaints there. I would cut a little slack to Guerrero though: did you forget that he moved the advertising boards out of his way in the first half just to take a corner kick? How can you not love guy like that?

Posted by: person | August 31, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

sont worry NU will stink up towards the end of the year, they will not make the playoffs they might even be in last place again. Ny fans can learn how to keep saying

"There is always next year" written and directed by

MR Juan Leche (Juan Mastodan)

Alias John Sperm

Posted by: dc fan | August 31, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

off topic:
but.. Did we ever own rights to Andrew Jacobson.
Who else remembers him?
How is he doing? Can he ever come back?

Posted by: Spartan | August 31, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Re Moreno's PK: I have played and coached on 3 different continents and been a supporter of DCU since 1996.There is a "rule" that the player fouled NEVER takes the PK. In this case Jaime was fouled unusually hard and flipped over 3-4 times.I said:"Pls don't let him kick,he will miss", and he did.
Re his overall play:Yes, he has been better this year than last,but out-of-town writers have noticed for two years that he has slowed down a lot and needs to be eased out. He can be very effective for 5-10 minutes but retards play too often.He deserves praise for "lifetime achievement",but DCU needs to move on. Also,it is obvious that the team plays a different style when Fred,MG,JM and L.Emilio are all together.But the rest of the league has figured that out and knows how to disrupt DCU.

Posted by: Peter Bechtold | August 31, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I thought Vide played a very good game. All in all I saw a lot of awareness among the players out there, that is except for Doe and Dyachenko. They were both out of sink and didn't do much to impact the game IMO.

Posted by: alexandriaDan | August 31, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Steve, if DC does win the US Open Cup, does it automatically qualify for next year's CONCACAF Champions Cup? Seems a bit strange that the winner of an obscure cup could possibly qualify.

Posted by: bristol | August 31, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Steve, if DC does win the US Open Cup, does it automatically qualify for next year's CONCACAF Champions Cup? Seems a bit strange that the winner of an obscure cup could possibly qualify.

Posted by: bristol | August 31, 2008 10:48 PM
..........................................

The winner of the corresponding Canadian competition also qualifies, doesn't it? That is, if anything, even more obscure.

Posted by: The Jeff | September 1, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

My Player rating on the game:
Crayton 7; Martinez 6, Namoff 6, McTavish 6, Burch 5; Quaranta 5, Simms 6, Vide 7, Guerrero 5; Moreno 4, Emilio 5. Subs: Doe 3, Gallardo 6, Dyachenko 3.

My biggest difference is the rating for Doe and Dyachenko. They were both horrible. Its scary to think just how thin DC is up top when players as bad as Doe and Dyachenko are the top subs.

ANY chance DC has of going anywhere in the MLS Playoffs depends on a healthy Emilio. If he is hurt or goes into an extended slump forget this year.

Posted by: Nick from Big Soccer | September 1, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

My biggest difference is the rating for Doe and Dyachenko. They were both horrible. Its scary to think just how thin DC is up top when players as bad as Doe and Dyachenko are the top subs.

ANY chance DC has of going anywhere in the MLS Playoffs depends on a healthy Emilio. If he is hurt or goes into an extended slump forget this year.

Posted by: Nick from Big Soccer | September 1, 2008 11:35 AM
_____________________________________________

Finally! I was wondering as I scrolled down reading if someone was going to call out Doe. He looked out of shape and slow all night to me. Well, the whole time he was in anyway. How anyone, even if they are coming back from injury, can come in for only a half (he was subbed in just before the half) and then have to SUBBED FOR before the game is over, is beyond me! It was pretty sad.

I have said many times that I think their conditioning is suspect, as there are far too many injuries occurring that seem to be preventable. Either they are being over-taxed on their off days or are not being stretched/prepared properly before games and practices. Some of these injuries could not be helped, but there just seem to be an inordinate number of strained/pulled/aggravated things for it to not be a matter of conditioning.

Posted by: HarkesyRules | September 1, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Smith is a retard. DC is ghetto? Is that an insult?
Rather be ghetto than a teenager from New Jersey...

Posted by: dadryan | September 1, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Dyachenko is becoming the E. Johnson of DCU -- why is he still getting minutes. If Thompson, Cordeiro, or Kirk can play, put them in. Delantero got it right about Dyachenko flubbing that header; plus he was offside a lot.

Posted by: gringo | September 1, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

It is clear to me that there is no replacing Emilo. They put in Dyachenko, and we saw the Dyasucko. They put in Doe, and guess what? You got it, more Le Suck. Go out and recruit us a decent backup striker!

I liked the halftime interview with Crayton. He said he was coming out because the wingers were coming in and he had to get out on them to defuse it. HE did exactly that. He also said he held control on the ball until he had a distribution option. Personally I like that kind of mentality, where you just do not turn over the ball, but you hold it until you can distribute. I really like how he is so very quick and aggressive on the counter attack. I think he brings a great deal to the team, and glad to see him in goal.

Posted by: Crayton ftw | September 2, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

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